U.K. to BoJo: It’s Time To Go!

Brexit is a spiraling disaster as was his response to Covid. Enough is enough.

Blimey!

That’s all I got.

Brits are so fucking dumb.

How is this any different from all the other times he fucked up.

This is no different.

Brits are fucking flaky.

Who would succeed him? Fucking nutjob Priti Patel?? Imagine all the wokesters not attacking that witch because she's a sacred WOC.

To be fair, he was excellent as the Mayor of London. His eccentric personality worked well too. But Prime Minister? Not so much. Sorry, Borris, but it's time to stand down.

Trivial question - why doesn't he brush his hair? I guess it's distinctive but it strikes me as such a stupid affectation.

A lot of people seem to be surprised that Johnson won't leave even though the public clearly wants him gone, but I don't know why they're surprised. They've tried to get rid of him at least once before and he refused to go. He won't go until he's forced out. I'm shocked people thought he'd do the honorable thing and resign, that's the LAST thing he would EVER do.

It's not up to the public, R7.

It's up to Parliament.

If they want him out, he will be out.

So clearly, they don't want him out.

They're just putting on a show.

Won’t the people put pressure on parliament?

He is really damaging the U.K.’s world standing. He is ‘bad for business.’

Is the Labour party too weak that the Brits can never give it another chance?

Just get rid of this dude and start fresh.

He makes Teresa May look like Winston Churchill.

What happens to former PMs? Do they move on to the House of Lords?

Was surprised to see that even the Daily Mail went with an anti-Boris front page yesterday.

[quote] He makes Teresa May look like Winston Churchill.

I think genetics had a hand in that.

What IS the deal with his hair? I know Trump's ridiculous do is the world's longest, most complex combover to hide his bald spot. I don't think that's the case here. Does he think it makes him look adorably goofy? It's way past time for him to start looking like a grownup.

[quote]Is the Labour party too weak that the Brits can never give it another chance?

Labour are doing very well, considering. They're still working hard to erase the memory of Jeremy Corbyn, the Jew obsessed pensioner who loathes the Union Jack but loved the flags of Cuba, Venezuela, Palestine and Iran. And Corbyn has been briefing to the media that he's going to start his own party - a win win for Keir Starmer if that happens.

The most recent poll with the most reliable pollster gives them a 10pt lead over the Tories. The Liberal Democrats are also doing a lot better which is massively important - Labour and the Lib Dems need each other to get the Tories out. The Lib Dems need a strong Labour leader so Tory voters can switch to them knowing Labour will look after their families. Labour's front bench is mostly credible and competent and starting to look like a government in waiting.

The longer Boris Johnson stays and the longer his cabinet colleagues keep defending the indefensible the better it gets for Labour.

[quote]Brexit is a spiraling disaster as was his response to Covid. Enough is enough.

Brexit is inconvenient but isn't nearly the disaster (yet) that a lot of people have predicted.

As for Covid, the March 20 lockdown came too late, delaying the December 20 lockdown was absolutely appalling BUT the vaccine strategy has been an overwhelming success. Many people will refuse to acknowledge that because of Matt Hancock's involvement, but the UK's vaccine strategy has been brilliant. A total vindication of the strength of the NHS, other public services, the third sector and private companies working together.

r16 Its to purposefully make himself look like an innocent schoolboy because its hard to be mad at a n iditol. There's a quite famous anecdote that he was about to give a speech when his political advisor saw how neat he looked, turned to him said "Boris your hair" and he messed it up and walked out He's managed to swim up the political ladder for 3 decades no matter how badly he screws up because "lol its just Boris" on the back of it.

And a story is breaking this evening that there was a drunken party in Downing Street the night before Prince Philip's funeral.

He'll be gone within a week.

The Tories don’t want to get rid of him until after the May elections - let him take the blame for their low poll numbers. It’s obvious the news isn’t going to get any better for Boris’ gov’t. And the PPE scandal hasn’t quite gone mainstream yet - but I imagine if he doesn’t go, the press will just turn up the heat on it. They want him to stay and take the blame for COVID rather than appoint somebody else - though Liz Truss, currently mastering her new disastrous Brexit brief, will obviously make a play for it. Nobody serious wants it. Yet.

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It was work-related, mate!

[quote]He makes Teresa May look like Winston Churchill.

Busted: Theresa May

Dusted: Choriza May

A majority still think Starmer is doing badly, despite everything. Labour offer no credible alternative and I doubt there are many families with women or children as members who think that Labour will look after them r17, considering Labour's policy is to allow biological men into women's spaces and trans kids.

The Tories will get a new leader who is less incompetent than Boris and they'll win the next general election.

These banned party stories are all being leaked by Dominic Cummings anyway, to get his now arch-nemesis Boris out, with a preference for Rishi (a true Brexiter) as party leader/PM.

I'm no Tory by any means - in fact, I directly blame Keir Starmer for putting Boris Johnson into No 10, but not supporting Theresa May's Brexit deal, leading to the downfall of her government.

I approve of this idea:

Some more claims about one of the (many) parties:

If he goes, will he immigrate to America... seems people are just fine and dandy with politicians doing that stuff here.

[quote] will he immigrate to America...

Oh, dear.

Someone at Tesco Express or Coop has a sense of humour.

If Labour hadn't chosen shrieking Marxist Ed Miliband to be leader over his more moderate and much more impressive brother David, they would have been back in power. But no, the nutjob lefties - like BernieBros here - prefer to be powerless so they can whine about moderates in their own party.

Beat it, BoJo!

Throw in the towel.

The Conservatives have to jettison him. He's hurting the Party at this point. Backbencher at best. Charles and William will never tolerate putting him in the Lords. Not even a knighthood.

Anyone who thinks he was an "excellent" London mayor clearly did not live in London at the time, or works for the Express newspaper.

The only people left supporting him are online trolls.

Mary!

He is dragging down the U.K. they need someone who will lifer them up.

How is this man the PM of the U.K.? My eyes can't unsee this video!!!!😳

He deliberately ruffles his hair before he goes on camera, R6, because it's part of his "Boris!" persona.

There is something weirdly affable about him, but he does need to stand down. There's no coming back after throwing parties in number ten's basement on the eve of Prince Philip's funeral, especially as the queen had to sit on her own at the funeral.

I suspect Rishi Sunak will replace him.

He's a fucking idiot and always has been - the living embodiment of white privilege who continually fails upwards despite having not even one shred of competence or ability. It blows my mind that he has got to where he has - same goes for his whole rotten stinking corrupt cabinet, they are all fucking evil scum who the Queen should order to be beheaded IMO.

I fucking hate it here. You want the people in charge to be the best, the brightest, the most capable - not this rag-tag bunch of over-privileged soulless spineless cretins.

For some reason, a small minority actually like this nincompoop. But the pathetic truth is what they really like is that he is “posh” and they can’t help themselves as they were brainwashed to believe that these inbred undesirables are somehow ‘superior’.

SMH

Who’s your choice for PM, R42

Over a million white school girls from impoverished backgrounds were repeatedly gang raped by rape gangs consisting predominantly of Pakistani Muslims for forty years which the police refused to do anything about and the media, despite knowing it was going on, refused to report.

Where was their "white privilege," R41?

I am so mad at you for posting that, r39.

Somebody who is serious about turning around the U.K. from being an international laughing stock.

R34, the royals don't decide who is sent to the House of Lords. In any case, former prime ministers almost never get appointed to peerages (Thatcher was an adamant exception).

Apologies, r45...it does shake you to the core...Yikes!!

R46 And that might be.......?

Former Prime Ministers are normally offered life peerages (it used to be earldoms), but they've stopped accepting them. Theresa May is stayimng in the Commons so she can stamp on Boris when the time comes (probably pretty soon).

Government officials have apologised to the Queen over the phone on Boris's behalf.

Funny thing is that Boris and his ilk portray themselves as having great respect for the monarchy. Look how superficial that respect actually is. I don't agree with the concept of the monarchy but I still felt sorry for the Queen having to sit alone at her husband's funeral. Boris, meanwhile, had spent the night before taking the mick out of those of us who stick to the guidelines.

I don’t know why it took so long. Was all the dead people from Covid not enough?

At least America kicked their Eastern European stooge president out of office.

What is the UK’s excuse?

Boris' only justification for existence was when he guest-hosted Have I Got News For You. He was good for a laugh. That's it. But I blame Ian Hislop for Johnson's subsequent career.

R39, just look at all these weirdo Brexiteers expecting their country to become an empire again now that the UK has left the EU. What else can you expect from such loons.

What a laughable joke r54. Everyone who voted for Brexit is a fool. They will believe anything you sell them if it sounds good. Never mind it was all a stunt.

Do fuck off R44, you absolute clown.

R55 There is an excellent film - on Netflix I think - starring Benedict Cumberbatch about the roots of Brexit. American Robert Mercer and his Cambridge Analytica were behind the misinformation campaign about it. Brexit was their appetizer. Trump was their main dish and their original stalking horse Ted Cruz failed to get the GOP nomination.

People who voted for Brexit should all come out and apologize and admit they were duped.

It’s not too late to get back into the EU if those fools would do some groveling.

[quote]People who voted for Brexit should all come out and apologize and admit they were duped. It’s not too late to get back into the EU if those fools would do some groveling.

Oh for god's sake you're as pigshit thicks as the people who wanted the leave the EU because of bananas.

Hmmm, R58, I'm begging to differ. Brexit means Brexit -- that's exactly what the Brexiteers kept saying, and that's what happened. Honestly, the EU can't be arsed to have such an unreliable "partner" who keeps pissing everybody else off with their constant cherry-picking. The EU has got other problems now -- Hungary and Poland, to be precise. Without the great European single market, the UK has turned out to be pretty much toast (when compared to the time when the UK was still a part of the European single market system). And just look at what has BoJo achieved regarding new trade agreements -- all of them are to the disfavour of the UK. Congrats on that success, BoJo!

If the UK wants to rejoin the EU some day, only without the former cherry-picking.

How am I an "absolute clown," R56? Is it because you can't counter the point I raised? Verbal abuse, foul language and ad hominem attacks ido not constitute an actual argument..

No, R61, but because you bring up something that hasn't got to do with anything in here. But nice try, idiot.

Actually, R62, you was the first to "bring up something that hasn't got to do with anything" when YOU dragged race into it.

"White privilege" is a myth. The Conservatives throwing BYOB parties during lockdown has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour. Plenty of African dictators have done shitty things too and were never held to account. Was that because of "Black privilege?"

The only "idiot" here is you..

Hey idiot @ R63, my posts in this thread are R54, R60, and R62.

But thanks for proving you're an idiot by blatantly showing you're not able to realize who posts what.

UK Guy dragged race into it. He was the first to bring something up that had nothing to do with the subject matter at hand nor was everyone who attended the parties white.

He clearly has issues.

If I ever got my hands on that buffoon, I’d hold him down, take a pair of scissors, and cut that ridiculous tousled mop he calls a “haircut”.

It's an anonymous board, R64. Calm your tits and take a chill pill.

Brexit was a scam and I was and still am shocked at how many fell for it. Like there was no critical thinking going on in that set.

Just whimsical vignettes depicting a fantasy that was never going to come true. How gullible can people be? It’s mind boggling.

Anyway, when Boris goes the only person in the cabinet I think would make a decent PM is Nadim Zahawi - he did a fantastic job on the vaccine roll out and is an emotionally intelligent and serious man. He favours policy over ideology. He's supports Brexit but not at any cost.

And what message would it send to kids to have a Prime Minister who came to the country as a child refugee who couldn't speak English, created a successful business and entered politics.

Boris doesn't have white privilege, he has clown privilege! Incompetence is tolerated in British culture but the people appreciate someone who can make them laugh about it.

A little song

A little dance

A little seltzer down your pants

What happened to those 300 million pounds for the NHS per week?

Did BoJo and his party boys need them for their garden party booze?

Didn't Priti Patel attended the parties? I'm not she has white privilege either given she's a woman of colour. Why has race been brought into the equation?

That should have been *attend and not *sure.

Sorry, my keyboard is kaput.

I think Boris is 1/4 Turkish for all that's worth

Supporting Brexit is purely ideological, r69. It only has costs, whatever way it's done.

It's been trailed this morning that the Official Report into partygate will censure the lax culture within No.10, but nor much more than that. So Boris and his defenders repeatedly saying, 'We need to wait for the report' are likely to find that this might work out very well for them.

The huge Andrew news has also pulled focus. Looks like Boris might escape yet again. However, I heard this week that there's plenty more on the tape which got Allegra Stratton sacked. No one alive thinks that it's now going to be a trouble-free ride for Boris till the next election.

Given who he is and the livid mood among so many of the non-partying public, I'd be surprised if he survives to fight for a second term.

[quote]However, I heard this week that there's plenty more on the tape which got Allegra Stratton sacked. No one alive thinks that it's now going to be a trouble-free ride for Boris till the next election.

All the Sunday papers will be preparing their scoops and exclusives. Who in the Government is going to be willing to go on TV on Sunday morning and be asked about the latest revelations.

I'd love to know the demographics of the Downing Street staff - I'm guessing overwhelmingly male, mostly private educated, mostly under 40.

And now it's being reported Downing Street staff had "wine time Fridays" at the end of the week throughout lockdown and staff even bought a 34 bottle capacity wine fridge to keep the wine in.

The Prime Minister would pop in and say hello and was acutely aware of it.

HOW THE FUCK CAN THIS BE DEFENDED

Now he can go back to BANGIN THE BROADS full time.

Boris was on an episode years ago of Who Do You Think You Are? He's descended from the Hanovers (on the wrong side of the blanket). He's also 1/4 Jewish.

Boris has class privilege, not white privilege.

I love the racists who say that because a brown person did something bad once, that means majority white societies are not structured to benefit that majority over everyone else. Just pathetic.

He's 1/4 Jewish AND 1/4 Turkish? How the he'll is he NOT playing that up?

Britain is a conservative country. They would rather die than see a Labour government in power.

[quote] Boris was on an episode years ago of Who Do You Think You Are? He's descended from the Hanovers (on the wrong side of the blanket). He's also 1/4 Jewish.

He’s 1/8 Jewish, 1/8 Turkish.

R82 Europeans are white people. That's where the white people in the US come from. Now if white people were running China or Ivory Coast - that would be an issue.

The fact that Cambridge Analytica was behind both Brexit and Trump's election is scary as fuck.

The FACT is, all the COVID safety rules have been for the docile sheep, the do gooders. The deplorables in all countries have carried on recklessly, and the VIP and .1%ers don't believe it applies to them expect in very limited in time public charades. Photo ops and modeling of "good behavior" for the docile obeyers.

Anti-vaxxer @ R88.

So, he's 1/4 Middle Eastern. Should play it up. I guess the Upper Classes are different.

[quote] don't believe it applies to them expect in very limited in time

Oh, dear!

r90 He did the look how diverse I am show when he was mayor of London. Now his political balance rests on majority white southern shires and parts of Northern England who think they're 20 years from being like Bradford so he doesn't mention it much anymore strangely.

[quote]"The Tories drank wine whilst your nan died alone"

[quote]Seen in Brighton, UK

R92, his cabinet is made up of blacks, Indians, Kurdish refugees, women, many of whom are first- or second-generation immigrants.

[quote] He is dragging down the U.K. they need someone who will lifer them up.

Who do you suggest?

Has the plonker fucked off yet?

This is it for him. He’s done.

Figure it out, Brits.

In addition to "Operation Save Big Dog" which is being launched to save Johnson there will be a drip drip drip campaign from other Tory MPs calling for his resignation, as well as the Downing Street insiders who will make sure their drip drip drip of new information is done with the most damaging effects.

Some Tories want to wait until the summer for a leadership contest but they just don't understand how much anger there is. The Tories have always been ruthless in getting rid of useless leaders. They need to be heartless.

Everyone already knew he's a selfish hypocrite who will do exactly the same things he has forbidden others from doing. It should have been obvious ever since he wrote a series of Spectator articles castigating working-class single mothers for raising feral, uncontrollable children, as well as the 'feckless' working-class men who impregnated them then abandoned them to a life on benefits. We all knew that's exactly what he has done with a string of wives and mistresses, but somehow, that contradiction was just to be treated as a joke and not as a real indicator of a terminally flawed character. After all, he was talking about 'those people' not about people like him. Except now the people who feel harmed and targeted by his hypocritical bullshit are the same middle-class little Englanders who voted for him, and suddenly it's not such a funny joke any more. SUCK IT UP BITCHES! You voted for this cunt and now I get to laugh at how angry you are to see that he treated you just the same as he treated everyone else who has ever trusted him.

There is also no point in the Tory party keeping him in office to try and ride out the worst of the storm and get through the next catastrophe. He's not going to change now, at the age of fucking 57. This is who he is, and this is the government you're going to get, and there will be no end to it until you bite the bullet and get rid. He's spent his life failing upwards, now he's finally PM and there's nowhere to fail upwards to, and now he has to go through the hell of trying to do the job, realising he can't, and having to deal with a tidal wave of hatred he can't escape from any more. Ha.

Oh well. Fuck all the absolute cretins who thought he was a fit person to support for PM. Whether you voted for him, campaigned for him, nominated him, wrote columns in support of him or simply failed to do your job in exposing all his flaws to the light: this is your work, own it. That rotten stench is the UK itself, it's in an advanced state of decay, and Johnson's premiership probably is the moment it passes the point of no return.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

His post-Prime Ministerial career will be interesting to follow. Unlike many Prime Ministers, he's genuinely in need of money. He had to borrow from Tory donors to decorate his flat with the vile Turkish bordello wallpaper to which Carrie had become accustomed. Her tastes aren't going to get cheaper, plus he has a LOT of child support to pay.

Where is he going to get it from? I can't quite see him joining the super-rich jetset like Blair has, I'm not sure he'd fit in. He could have cleaned up on the after-dinner circuit, but all of a sudden: does the guy who partied and boozed it up all the while you couldn't get in to see your dying mum in hospital really sound like someone you want to buy a ticket to go and see? Is there going to be much of a market any more for his poorly researched tossed off books on Churchill and Shakespeare? What companies are going to offer a seat on a board to a guy who's image is now an unfortunate clown?

I could actually see him in some real financial difficulty without any obvious route out of it. Probably some Tory lord will bail him out eventually but - let's hope he is made to sweat a bit first.

Heh.

How many kids has this fuckwit sired by now?

(Not counting probable abortions.)

Those 300 million pounds for the NHS per week which were supposed to be available thanks to Brexit -- has BoJo used them for decorating his PM flat?

[quote]Those 300 million pounds for the NHS per week which were supposed to be available thanks to Brexit -- has BoJo used them for decorating his PM flat?

Thanks to Covid there has been and increase of around that much spent on the NHS, but not a saving from being out of the EU.

When Boris and Carrie do depart Downing Street I hope the person redecorating sends then the wallpaper as it's taken down and posts it to them. Such a shame if it goes to waste/

You gotta love how these British dykes (eg r25) just can't get over the trans thing. Everything must be reduced to it, even the fate of their country's government.

[quote]You gotta love how these British dykes (eg [R25]) just can't get over the trans thing. Everything must be reduced to it, even the fate of their country's government.

I have R25 on block for some reason but for Labour to really be seen as a credible government in waiting they have to answer the questions honestly and coherently about how reform of trans rights will impact on others, and at the moment they're simply not willing to. Senior figures, their most effective communicators seem exasperated and lost for words when asked about hate speech, single sex spaces, the theology of what male or female now mean and accusations of heresy if you're not a true believer.

Wes Streeting did a good job trying to bridge the gap between Stonewall and women's rights organisations - and got attacked by TRAs for it - but there is a real cowardice amongst Labour politicians to be able to answer factual questions in a sensible or pragmatic way.

David Lammy is not a very credible or respected figure even in the Labour Party but even so calling women's rights activists "dinosaurs who want to hoard rights" was a fucking dreadful intervention which helped polarise people even more.

It's not enough for the Tories to be shit, Labour have to look credible and if you can't answer a question on whether a convicted rapist can transfer to a woman's prison simply by saying "I'm a woman" then step aside and let someone who can in.

R84 Scotland is a country but not a state and we have always voted for progressive parties. Don’t include us in England’s shit show. We voted to remain in the EU. Every time Johnson opens his gob it’s another vote for independence. Which can’t come soon enough.

Agree with R100 that his Falstaff schtick and brand has taken a huge hit now that he's irretrievably associated with parties and death. His UK lecture market won't now fly. However, bigger bucks may be available in - let's say - certain parts of the US, where his posh Oxford Union speaking style and 'daring' content might just be subject to less harsh scrutiny and protest.

In addition I feel the UK old boy network will see him right with Directorships and Consultancies - an Eton and Oxford man with friends in The City is unlikely to go short. Plenty will privately admire his cavalier style, and see all 'whining objections' as 'pathetically petit-bourgeois.' Many such wanted no lockdowns at all.

Johnson will also of course have a memoir in him. Like him or not he has a way with words, however questionable they are. He'll need armed guards for any signing sessions he's brave enough to attempt (as Blair did), but will bag a comfortable seven-figure sum for his extraordinary life story.

[quote]Those 300 million pounds for the NHS per week which were supposed to be available thanks to Brexit -- has BoJo used them for decorating his PM flat?

Don't believe everything you see on the side of a bus, friend. Anyway Boris was given an allowance of something like 30 thousand pounds to renovate the flat where he and Carrie Antoinette are living (which I understand is actually at No. 11 Downing Street, where the chancellor usually lives--the chancellor is now living at No. 10 for some reason.) But that wasn't enough to achieve Boris and Carrie's manic Colonialist nightmare of matching blood red Sherlock wallpaper, upholstery, drapes and lampshades, so Boris leaned on a deep pocketed donor of his to finance the rest. And then didn't report it as he supposed to do. Because the rules are for little people.

[quote][R84] Scotland is a country but not a state and we have always voted for progressive parties. Don’t include us in England’s shit show. We voted to remain in the EU. Every time Johnson opens his gob it’s another vote for independence. Which can’t come soon enough.

Ah Scotland, a country so progressive that its government officials changed its staffing policies female civil servants would never be left on their own with First Minister Alex Salmond, so notorious were his alcohol fuelled rages, sexual harassment and bullying of staff.

Journalists knew all about Salmond's behaviour but couldn't report it because no one was willing to go on the record, such was the culture of protection and denial. Senior SNP figures knew about Alex Salmond's behaviour and admitted speaking to him about his behaviour. Opposition politicians knew about Alex Salmond's behaviour and like journalists needed someone to go on the record. And the civil servants themselves have since admitted they didn't want their complaints to go on the record because of the upcoming independence referendum.

The only person in Scottish politics who DIDN'T know about Alex Salmond bullying and sexually harassing his staff was his deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and the Chief Executive of the SNP, Nicola Sturgeon's husband.

But yes, Scotland and its nationalists are so superior to England and its nationalists.

[quote] so notorious were his alcohol fuelled rages, sexual harassment and bullying of staff.

Oh, look. Another Tory liar.

[quote]Oh, look. Another Tory liar.

It's amazing what people will tolerate in the name of progressive politics.

[quote]Alex Salmond was known for “bullying and intimidatory behaviour” and angry outbursts against civil servants who worked for him, Scotland’s former chief civil servant has told MSPs. Sir Peter Housden, who worked as permanent secretary for the Scottish government when Salmond was first minister, told a Holyrood inquiry the day-to-day running of Salmond’s private office in Edinburgh was “punctuated by this kind of behaviour”.

[quote]Alex Salmond was banned from working alone with female civil servants at Bute House, his official residence as first minister of Scotland, after he allegedly sexually assaulted a Scottish government official in his private sitting room.

Linky stinky, how interesting.

Does this work? It's a timeline of the complaints made by one of the many woman who was a victim of Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond

It is of course possible to condemn all politicians from left or right wing parties who abuse their power and cover up abusive and rulebreaking behaviour but it takes a special type of cunt to refuse to acknowledge that the candidate they support is a bad guy, even when all the evidence is laid out.

You really need to get out of the house more, OP. Your infatuation with anything and every thing BRF is fucking pathetic.

R99 you know we didn't vote for him? He was voted in by all the registered, paying members of the Conservative party. Brits just vote for their local MP. Whichever party gains the majority of elected MPs wins the election.

Fuck off you stupid homophobic, misogynist shit who knows nothing about British politics at at r104. Even r105, who has me on ignore, agrees that Labour's trans pandering is going to be an impediment to them being elected. Because of those specific anti-women, anti-gay policies and also because it demonstrates that they're superficial and easily manipulated according to whichever way they think (often wrongly) the wind is blowing and whichever lobby group has managed to capture them.

Labour in its current form is not capable of putting together an election-winning platform, and their pandering to the trans and insulting women and lesbians and gay men is only losing them votes. The only reason they are ahead in the polls now is because Boris Johnson is an oaf. The Tories will get rid of him and replace him with someone who appears sensible and as though they're taking on the issues and Labour will start to fall back down in the polls.

Labour, as it is, needs a complete clear out. Starmer is another Neil Kinnock. He will drag the party a tiny little bit away from the extremes but he is still too welded to old rhetoric and is politically unimaginative. Someone like Rishi Sunak will be able to wipe the floor with him.

I’d rather have the cute balding Dom Broccoli Raab than Reishi Mushroom. Hmm. But not sure really. Either way they have to be better than that hot blubbery mess, no? He just screams rosacea, statins, and man boobs.

I'm such a whore, I present hole even to the blond slob.

Of course I'd prefer someone else.

Oh God, let's try and finish this up before it gets taken over by the trans people.

The poor simpleton at R111 and R113 has Alex Salmond living rent-free in his head. Like, never mind that Salmond stepped down as First Minister a really long time ago! I mean 2014 - back before Brexit was coined as a neologism and when most of us still thought of Donald Trump as a harmless TV clown! Those days are still fresh and current like yesterday to R113. Do you think we should tell him that Salmond isn't even a member of the SNP any more? And that at the last Scottish election voters awarded Salmond's new outfit only 1.7% of the vote? No, better not risk it losing its tiny mind.

Anyway, since then, Scotland has been led by a woman for over seven years. to the point where she is about to set a record for the longest-serving first minister in history. In that time she has decisively won two Scottish parliamentary elections and absolutely smashed two Westminster elections. She has concluded formal coalition talks with the Greens and brought them into government for the first time anywhere in the UK. She has (nearly) led Scotland through the pandemic. And best of all, she has brought Scottish independence to the point where it is on the brink of becoming established as the settled majority will of the voters of Scotland.

Now there are things I disagree with Nicola Sturgeon about, but it's a pretty fucking poor show when someone from England claiming to be 'progressive' will just ignore all the achievements of the most significant woman in Scottish political history and talk about her predecessor as if he were still a major player in politics. Those English 'progressives', if they truly wish to prove themselves progressive, will soon have only one thing to do regarding Scottish politics, and that is to lend their voices in support of the Scottish people's right to self-determination through a national referendum at a time of it's own choosing, regardless of what the clown of Downing St has to say about it.

Haven't read the entire thread because I find him disgusting, but he goes when his party replaces him as their leader.

She's really making a mark by being the longest serving female first minister in history (out of the five people who've done the job over the two decades it's existed).

I think seven years is an accomplishment, *particularly* when you rely on a semi-proportional electoral system to get you into power. That's a longer stretch than any UK Prime Minister since 1945 except for Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair Since becoming SNP leader, she has also won, by my count, six Scotland-wide elections, which I think is also unprecedented.

Don't have to love her, but you should recognise her achievements.

R119 claims to be progressive yet has nothing to say about the deputy leader of a political party who claims she knew NOTHING of her party leader bullying and sexually harassing his staff to the point that women weren't allowed to be on their own with him.

Sturgeon and her husband Peter Murrell enabled Salmond's abuse of his staff, claimed ignorance, tried to sabotage an inquiry and got away with it because INDEPENDENCE!

R119 is no different to the Tories who say the constant rule breaking at Downing Street should be overlooked because Boris Delivered Brexit!!!

Nope, correcting myself: seven Scotland-wide elections..

If Nicola Sturgeon did try to cover for Alex Wanna Spawn Like A Salmon, he's awfully unappreciative.

OK R123, fair is fair. If you have evidence that proves Sturgeon knew, post it here and I will promise not to vote for her party at the next Westminster election, which might be soon.

OP- The title of this thread should say-

U.K. to BOZO: It's Time To Go!

Oh yeah, and there's the small inconvenient fact that Salmond was found innocent by a jury of his peers.

R113, wasn't Ms. A found not to even be at Bute House on the night in question?

R128, I really like Nicola Sturgeon and think she has done an amazing job but Salmond is the scummiest of scumbags. You are doing yourself a disservice by defending him. Be thankful he is gone. He should be behind bars. On top of that the people of Aberdeenshire must hate him as he is the person who courted Donald Trump.

[quote]Brits just vote for their local MP.

Most Brits couldn't name their local MP. The majority of people vote based on party/leader and you know it.

[quote][R128], I really like Nicola Sturgeon and think she has done an amazing job but Salmond is the scummiest of scumbags. You are doing yourself a disservice by defending him. Be thankful he is gone. He should be behind bars. On top of that the people of Aberdeenshire must hate him as he is the person who courted Donald Trump.

You think she didn't know how Salmond was treating his staff? When she became First Minister and women were allowed to be alone with the First Minister again you don't think anyone told her what had happened?

When it was announced Salmond would stand as a Westminster MP you don't think anyone told Sturgeon or her husband Peter Murrell about the bullying or sexual harassment and that he was totally unsuitable to stand as an MP?

The culture within the Scottish Government machine and the Scottish Nationalist Party was so toxic and rotten that there are two possibilities.

1. Nicola Sturgeon knew nothing, the information was deliberately kept from her, and no one felt comfortable telling her what was going on in the party which she was deputy leader of.

2. Nicola Sturgeon knew what was going on and did nothing.

The culture in the Scottish Government under Salmond and Sturgeon is very similar to Downing Street - they don't just ignore the appalling behaviour, they enable it because to take it on and be transparent would damage the nationalist cause.

R132, I am very unlikely to change my mind based on messages on an anonymous board. I am not saying Sturgeon is perfect - nobody is - but she has worked very well in Scotland and she really is not on BoJo level of awfulness. Also, try living with the DUP and Sinn Féin in charge.

I' m not expecting anyone to change their mind but I respect your honesty in saying that covering up bullying and sexual harassment is tolerable if you agree with the overall party aim.

Lots of people are prepared to compromise on basic decency, which is why the Tories always do so well.

R134, I am not sure why I am now the target of your annoyance but whatever. I am moving on to the fun threads. It is Saturday evening and I am feeling too shitty to continue the discussion. Have fun and good talking to you.

I'm not sure the SNPs failures in policing, drugs, health and education constitute working very well.

And the anti Brexit brigade who have championed John Bercow despite the countless allegations of his bullying behaviour will no doubt continue to support him.

Diane Abbott even went as far as saying it wasn't possible to bully someone who'd served in the armed forces!

[quote]Diane Abbott has been criticised after she suggested that John Bercow cannot be guilty of bullying because one of his alleged victims was in the Army. The Shadow Home Secretary made the extraordinary claim amid an ongoing war of words between the former Commons Speaker and the ex-Black Rod David Leakey. Mr Leakey, a former military commander, described Mr Bercow as "a Jekyll and Hyde character" who terrified those who worked under him. He told Radio Four's Today programme: "He would fly into a rage, the red mist would descend, and he would be jumping up and down, bawling out and shouting insults.

[quote]Ms Abbott leapt to Mr Bercow's defence on Twitter on Wednesday morning, saying: "Allegations come from former parliamentary official David Leakey. “He had been a Lieutenant General who served in Germany, Northern Ireland and Bosnia. “But claims he was bullied (i.e. intimidated and coerced) by John Bercow. Unlikely.”

So many people in politics are total scum but protected and enabled.

We've got it, R137, you love the Tories, are infatuated with Boris, and are an ardent Brexiteer. Now that we all know, please shut up.

The problem is replacing him.

None of the options are, er, appealing.

Better the devil you know and all that . . .

[quote]We've got it, [R137], you love the Tories, are infatuated with Boris, and are an ardent Brexiteer. Now that we all know, please shut up.

Because in your little mind, holding John Bercow account for bulling his staff - one of them so bad she had a breakdown and was forced to sign an NDA to get a settlement - makes them a Boris loving Brexiteer.

And in your little mind holding senior figures in the SNP accountable for the bullying and sexual harassment makes someone a Boris loving Brexiteer.

You're no different to the Tories defending Boris who will call me a woke remainer for wanting Boris to leave Downing Street and take out the trash with him.

FFS, calm down, R140 ...

Boris Johnson? Oh dear ...

MPs will be at home in their constituencies this weekend getting shit from the people who elected them. It will hot and heavy in Westminster on Monday. But the Tory MPs will try to play it down because they are greedy cowards.

*fetching the popcorn for Monday*

I love it when the U.K. posters get into it with each other.

sad sack, this one.

You couldn’t get any more out of touch.

I vote for Dominic Raab.

"Most Brits couldn't name their local MP." - Complete nonsense, r131. Most Brits vote based on a party manifesto or because they're fed up of the current governing party. But it's nonsense to say that most Brits couldn't name their local MP - we literally vote directly for our MP. Often a good local MP can swing a vote.

R148, Why? He’s as worthless as the rest of them.

R111, you know your link has been deleted? It doesn't lead anywhere - because the article was removed. It may have been removed because Salmond was acquitted of most of the charges, thus fuelling the suspicions that they were fabricated as part of turf warfare within the SNP.

English people (most of whom are on welfare) like to whine at whoever is in power at the moment.

But who do they suggest as an alternative?

England has trapped itself in a vortex of nationalism, and has alienated the other constituent nations of the UK. We don’t recognise them any more. It’s sad but they have been festering so long they don’t even see themselves as others see them.

R149 Complete nonsense, eh?

[quote]Three quarters of people are unable to name their MP, according to an annual Hansard Society survey.

I don't know what world you're living in where most voters read manifestos and know who they're voting for, but it isn't the real one. By and large people vote for parties.

A new photo has emerged of the Prime Minister breaking rules again... drinking outdoors with friends but getting closer for the photo below than guidance provided for.

I believe the time has come for the PM to step down. And take her husband with her.

[quote] I believe

Who are you, R156?

R132.

Oh mate. I have no idea what the answers are to any of those questions. If you think Salmond is really guilty and have evidence to prove it, you should contact the police. If you think he is guilty without proof because you don't like him, you should go to your nearest loyalist pub to explain it all., and there you'll probably find a sympathetic ear. Personally, I don't know, I don't care, Salmond is gone anyway, it isn't costing me any sleep, and independence is coming! Please stop deluding yourself that Alex Salmond's legal troubles are going to stop it - that would be the dumbest reason to vote No in history.

Yes, it is nonsense r154 and you can always find an opinion poll that says whatever you want, especially when it's produced by an organisation that has an interest in producing a certain result.

[quote]Almost 70% of people know the name of their MP, according to the British Election Study.

And on what basis do people vote for parties on if it's not policies or a general philosophical outlook that matches with certain policies? I know it's "deep" to claim that voters are all ignorant and never bother to find out what's going on, but they're not necessarily.

R159

[quote]The BES asked their respondents: ‘which of the following people is the MP in your parliamentary constituency’? They presented respondents with five fake names (‘Mary Davies’, ‘Susan Stewart’, etc) along with the correct MP for that respondent . All six names were presented in a randomised order. Plus, there was also a Don’t Know and an Other option.

Multiple choice then?

[quote]A potentially more serious problem is that this question, like the rest of the survey, was asked online – and so people could have cheated, by looking up the correct option.

Yeah, that sounds reliable.

And now we're reduced from manifestos to policies to a "general philosophical outlook"? Keep moving those goalposts.

Simple fact of the matter is if people were voting for individuals rather than parties, we'd have more independents elected.

JFC @ R39. Holy mother of hell

Alex Salmond lost the independence referendum because he was an odious, strutting little bantam cock. He got people’s backs up. It was all about him. It still is, in his mind.

Alex Salmond and Boris Johnson are very similar in their personality. Arrogant and entitled, ambitious and amoral. Personality wise Boris Johnson actually has some more self awareness than Salmond but it's a very tight race.

Both are nationalists who surround themselves with fellow nationalists who think the nationalist cause is more important than basic human decency.

As for "Concerned European" there's no surprise he's a Salmond conspiracy truther.

So what r160? That still doesn't mean most people don't have a clue who their MP is. I'm very tuned into politics but I struggled for a long time to remember my MP's name (despite even having communicated with her) because her first name is a difficult one. In some cases people do vote on the basis of who their MP is, if that candidate is a good one with a presence in the local community and who works hard for their constituents. That's how my grandparents voted. Similarly, if a local MP is a real idiot that would lose them and hence their party votes.

And, yeah, we know most people vote according to party because that's how British politics works and how it works everywhere. It wouldn't be possible to have a political system otherwise. I'm not moving any goalposts. You're making some stupid claim that people have no idea what or who they're voting for. People vote for parties on the basis of their general philosophical outlook as well as specific policies - the general philosophical outlook is reflected in the manifesto. Even so, specific policies do matter and voters do switch party preferences according to specific policies. Labour including in its manifesto that it's going to raise taxes or introduce gender self-id will lose votes. Labour saying it's going to reduce inheritance tax and strengthen single-sex spaces will attract votes. The Tories saying they're going to introduce a market system in the NHS will lose votes. The Tories saying they will offer more choice in health provision will attract votes.

Policies do matter, as do local candidates.

[quote]People vote for parties on the basis of their general philosophical outlook as well as specific policies - the general philosophical outlook is reflected in the manifesto. Even so, specific policies do matter and voters do switch party preferences according to specific policies. Labour including in its manifesto that it's going to raise taxes or introduce gender self-id will lose votes. Labour saying it's going to reduce inheritance tax and strengthen single-sex spaces will attract votes. The Tories saying they're going to introduce a market system in the NHS will lose votes. The Tories saying they will offer more choice in health provision will attract votes. Policies do matter, as do local candidates.

This is one of the reasons why Labour's "free broadband" was such a bad policy without comprehensive details on how it would work. Most people's experience of state run services isn't great - people moan how hard it can be to get through to their GP practice to make an appointment and then how long they have to wait for one - they know a state run broadband provider would not be efficient and questioned what would happen to the private companies who are currently delivering good quality services.

A policy around increasing investment in rural areas and for lower income families would have been popular but for people who are happy to pay a quid a day for high speed good quality internet it was a vote loser.

[wuote] He is really damaging the U.K.’s world standing.

What standing??! They’re an isolationist country. They have no standing.

[quote] He is really damaging the U.K.’s world standing.

What standing??! They’re an isolationist country. They have no standing.

[quote] Is the Labour party too weak that the Brits can never give it another chance?

Britain is a conservative country. Labour had a short-lived era but the country went right back to traditional conservative values. Labour is now full-on communist. They will never win. Brits may be angry with Boris but they will die before voting Labour and allowing a Labour government in. The country is full-on QAnon MAGA today. They’re back up believing that Britain is some big empire again. They’re very much Trumpists.

[quote] Scotland is a country but not a state and we have always voted for progressive parties. Don’t include us in England’s shit show. We voted to remain in the EU. Every time Johnson opens his gob it’s another vote for independence. Which can’t come soon enough.

You do know that it’s up to Britain to give you independence, right? You can hold referendums all you want. They don’t mean shit. Britain is never giving Scotland up. You couldn’t survive even if it did.

R169, it's not Britain that is never giving up Scotland.

It's England.

"Britain" is the nexus of England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland (ever heard the term "UNITED kingdom", eh?) -- with England being in the dominant position, and often behaving like cunts towards the other parts of Britain. Which is exactly why quite a few people in Scotland can't be arsed to be a part of that union any longer. If England didn't behave like cunts that much, Scots wouldn't be in favour of independence that much. Simples.

Scotland and its politicians are consumed by the same grievances and inferiority complex as the English. They blame the English for all their failings the same way English nationalists have blamed the European Union. When Scotland leaves the United Kingdom and becomes independent sectarianism will end, drug deaths will fall, educational outcomes will increase, and children won't die in new build hospitals and their deaths won't be covered up. Everything that is shit in Scotland after 15 years of nationalist government will disappear because THE TORIES IN LONDON.

There are people in Scotland who genuinely want to leave the UK, rejoin the European Union and have a checkpoint on the Scottish/English border because they hate the English so much. And no doubt there are a lot of English nationalists who want the same.

I want him to go, because the Tories are only in power due to his calculated and contrived bumbling charisma.

[quote]I want him to go, because the Tories are only in power due to his calculated and contrived bumbling charisma.

The Tories are in power because the alternative was a party led by a Jew obsessed pensioner who was more comfortable waving the flags of Cuba, Venezuela and Palestine than he was the Union Jack. A Jew obsessed pensioner who refused to take a position on Brexit (he'd stay neutral in a confirmatory referendum! on a deal he'd negotiated!) and whose response to the chemical weapons attack in Salisbury was to say the British security services couldn't be trusted because of Iraq and to call for a sample of Novichok to be given to the Russians so they could say whether it was theirs.

The Tories are in power because the Labour Party was a shit show. A lot of Tories think they're in the same position and underestimate Starmer.

I’m Scottish, and I lived in England for many years. Most English people have no idea about what devolution means, and even less idea of how it works. My partner previously worked for a UK wide social care organisation based in England. There was total confusion that there are different legal systems and different legislation covering care standards. One person even said, “Don’t they know who’s in charge?”. He lived.

I don’t hate English people, I have English relatives, but they have been led up the garden path with false promises by the likes of Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson. They exploited peoples’ fears about immigration and told them a pack of lies about the benefits of Brexit. None have materialised. The crazier elements of the UKIP camp seemed to believe there would be mass deportations. People were assaulted and abused in the streets.

The situation in Scotland is very different. People from EU countries are well established and have become part of our communities. The NHS and the hospitality industry are major employers and cannot function without them. Many have chosen to stay since Brexit, because they feel welcome.

R164 Aww look at you adding a strawman alongside your moving goalposts. Try arguing what I actually said, not what you want to pretend I said. And what I actually said was the majority of people vote based on party/leader not their local MP. Which you're agreeing with. The fact there's a minority who do vote based on who the local candidate is doesn't invalidate that. But go on, pretend I said something different again because you're incapable of actually arguing against what I actually said.

[quote]I don’t hate English people, I have English relatives, but they have been led up the garden path with false promises by the likes of Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson. They exploited peoples’ fears about immigration and told them a pack of lies about the benefits of Brexit. None have materialised. The crazier elements of the UKIP camp seemed to believe there would be mass deportations. People were assaulted and abused in the streets.

Scottish people think they're exceptionally tolerant - Wales and England don't have anywhere near the problem with sectarian violence that Scotland does. The 2014 referendum opened up a seething resentment similar to Brexit.

Remember when Jim Murphy and Eddie Izzard was attacked in the street by nationalists? Remember the bulling of Charles Kennedy during the 2015 election where he was coping with alcoholism? Again there is no difference between the worst excesses of English and Scottish nationalism.

The video attached is of an elected SNP member of the Scottish Parliament explaining how an independent Scotland would deal with the currency conundrum.

The Scottish independence movement is identical to Brexit - it's all their fault, things will be so much better when we're independent, we'll be much richer but even if we're poorer we'll be free!

Why would I argue what you said, r175? I'd rather argue against it. What I'm arguing against is your claim that most people have no idea who their local MP is and couldn't care less about actual political issues.

R177 Can't help yourself making stuff up, can you? I only claimed the first part, I didn't say they don't care about political issues. I did say they don't read manifestos. You do understand there's a huge difference between those two statements, yes?

American here. I've been following BoJo's latest outrages and would love to see him ousted but from what I've been reading from people who live in the UK, it doesn't seem likely he will be forced out by his own party. Pity. When Scotland was voting on its independence, I was kind of hoping it would vote to leave and be on its own, but of course I was seeing it with only limited knowledge of what that would actually mean. I also tried to follow Brexit and was also hoping the UK would stay in the EU, and anything BoJo wanted seemed like a bad idea because he's a buffoon and liar and he obviously doesn't deserve to be PM. Looks to me like he's the less toxic equivalent of Donald Dump.

Anyway, thanks for shedding some light on things. Always a relief to get away from American politics for a bit.

According to his raging posts, R176 seems to be scared of Little Britain, i. e. when Scotland leaves the UK.

when = if

Sorry.

[quote]According to his raging posts, [R176] seems to be scared of Little Britain, i. e. when Scotland leaves the UK.

I take the same approach to Scotland leaving the UK as I much of the European Union did to Brexit: Populist fantasy bullshit based on a centuries old notion that "we're so different we're better".

If you think trying to unpick the UK leaving the EU after 50 years is a shitshow (and it is) , try to negotiate Scotland leaving the UK after 400 years, rejoining the EU, sorting out its currency and its borders.

[quote] no surprise he's a Salmond conspiracy truther.

Huh? I never once mentioned a conspiracy. I distinctly remember saying I don't know or particularly care what happened.

But it's not important, I'm loving the prime location that I have taken up entirely rent-free inside your head, along with Alex Salmond and Jeremy Corbyn. I barely think of you at all.

[quote] The situation in Scotland is very different. People from EU countries are well established and have become part of our communities. The NHS and the hospitality industry are major employers and cannot function without them. Many have chosen to stay since Brexit, because they feel welcome.

That's lovely R174, but you left out the bit where Scotland has significantly less overall immigration than England, and the bit where Scotland largely escaped the influx of unskilled immigration that swamped England.

[quote] the influx of unskilled immigration that swamped England.

Oh fuck off with your racist bullshit.

The SNP have been in power for 15 years - educational outcomes have plummeted and kids from the poorest families are not getting to university because of the restrictions on places to keep university access "free". Scotland is reliant on overseas workers to work in care homes because like a lot of people across Europe, Scottish people think it's a job that's beneath them and would rather have Africans, Asian and Eastern Europeans do it.

Yes, Brexit has exacerbated staffing issues but the SNP have had 15 years to make care work a valued and well paid job. But they haven't.

And then there's the Scottish people who tell their colleagues to "go home" and you can guarantee that if they're saying that to English people, they're going to be saying it to/about Muslims, Pakistanis, Eastern Europeans.

England’s population is ten times that of Scotland. “Swamped” is a dangerously emotive term.

American here, just casually observing. Feels like the storm has mostly blown over, is that true? Just seems to me everyone is always screaming for someone to resign and no one ever does. They just ride it out and it goes away. Oh wait, I forgot about Andrew Cuomo. But still.

[quote]American here, just casually observing. Feels like the storm has mostly blown over, is that true? Just seems to me everyone is always screaming for someone to resign and no one ever does. They just ride it out and it goes away. Oh wait, I forgot about Andrew Cuomo. But still.

There is still more to come out. Boris is now in hiding claiming someone in his family has Covid. He's got Prime Minister's Questions again on Wednesday and will have to start doing interviews at some point soon.

His defenders are (justifiably) talking up the success of the vaccine roll out but as we come out of the pandemic and return to relative normality people will take it for granted that it was so successful and focus back on the failings and the parties while they couldn't see their relatives.

The Trevor Phillips interview with the Tory Chairman was devastating - Phillips' daughter Sushila had struggled with anorexia for a long time and her mental health deteriorated seriously during lockdowns and she died on 18th April, the day after Prince Philip's funeral.

The anger just isn't going away.

[quote]“Swamped” is a dangerously emotive term.

Used purposely all those years ago by Margaret Thatcher, when she said the English 'didn't want to be swamped by an alien culture.' A full orchestra of dog-whistles.

[quote]They just ride it out and it goes away.

Everyone's waiting for the Partygate Inquiry report, maybe dropping next week. Possibly this'll be a stern knuckle-rapping about the culture within No.10. There's already talk that Johnson will have a staff cull to show just how 'badly-advised' he was, and to try and distance himself from activity within his own workplace.

He might just - just - ride it out, but it certainly won't go away. Too much justifiable white-hot rage in the land about the disjunct between governers and the governed. Also it's likely there's more smoking guns being kept back for when Johnson might think himself comparatively home free.

[quote] Boris is now in hiding claiming someone in his family has Covid.

Oh, bullshit! *Every time* this cunt gets in trouble, he gets COVID or his sidechick drops another crotchfruit or some other excuse. He must think the British public are as stupid as he is.

R179 my partner is Scottish and a very patriotic Scot indeed. He owns a kilt, sporran, the works. Willingly eats haggis. Goes to Burns' Night. He was opposed to Scottish independence. He said 'we'd become a tiny, insignificant country. Fucking Croatia."

R191 while now, Scotland is being fucked by England on a regular basis.

R192 he agrees with that but he says the country's just too damn small and can't succeed on its own. His grandfather was in shipbuilding in Port Glasgow back when Scotland actually had industries. Nothing is left now.

R191 Honestly, from a distance and uninvolved, I can see both arguments. I'm interested, though, as an American whose mother was Scottish and father Italian.

Sunday Times: Johnson wants to clean up his staff

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who is fighting for his job, is planning to save his political future with a sweep of his closest aides, according to a media report.

As reported by the Sunday Times, the Conservative head of government is planning a comprehensive personnel cleanup in Downing Street and a series of "populist announcements" to keep himself in office after the revelations in the "Partygate" affair.

Johnson refuses to take responsibility himself for the government crisis, according to the Sunday Times report. At meetings in recent days, he is said to have accused his team of failing to protect him. Johnson's office manager Martin Reynolds, who invited staff members to a garden party despite lockdown rules with the e-mail appeal "Bring your own alcohol," his deputy Stuart Glassborow and chief of staff Dan Rosenfield are considered the most likely candidates to have to leave Downing Street.

He can't go yet. He still hasn't gotten rid of socialism and expelled the wogs.

Partygate report won't be helpful in a damning sense... apparently the civil servant just lays out the facts (which logically will be damning) but won't point fingers. It should give new fuel to the fire, though. Boris has to go. He's just not up to the job. Funnily enough he did better managing COVID than I fear some of his more rabid right wing cabinet would have done (low bar granted), which is why there's a movement in the party to sack him. Yet he did a shit job overall and the hypocrisy cannot be ridden out. If he won't go the voters will see the party goes and there's too much self-interest for that. That arch demon Michael Gove is no doubt stirring the pot behind the scenes.

Boris' sole instinct seems to be the sensation akin to 'oh, that'd be fun' and then he fucks it up because that's seldom a really good reason to do anything.

This has really awful implications for national security. A prime minister with this many skeletons is is also a prime target.

I just don’t get why the British people have to settle? Is this really their best offering? There is no one better suited for the job?

It also denigrates the office of p.m. and makes it look like a job for a clown. It’s a somewhat serious job and should be treated with more professionalism.

Given this, R201, this moron should never have become PM in the first place, eh? ;-)

[quote]He can't go yet. He still hasn't gotten rid of socialism and expelled the wogs.

Socialism will have to wait until Owen Jones publishes his next book on how socialists can win an election and implement their policies. And most people are very relaxed about having black and brown people in their society despite the line the Daily Mail takes.

It was announced today that the BBC licence fee will end in 5 years. It's generally younger voters who resent having to pay a licence fee when they don't watch it, but for older Conservative voters, as much as they might moan about it, the BBC is as valued as the NHS.

Naturally there are campaigns by Brexit voters, Scottish Nationalists and Corbyn supporters who are obsessed with BBC bias and want it scrapped but if you tell people they won't have BBC Breakfast with Dan and Naga, Pointless, Call The Midwife, Masterchef, Strictly, the lavish costume dramas and sporting events and they'll soon get angry.

[quote]I just don’t get why the British people have to settle? Is this really their best offering? There is no one better suited for the job?

Did you see who the alternative was in the 2019 general election?

[quote] Socialism will have to wait until Owen Jones publishes his next book

Will Owen's hole be on the cover?

[quote]Boris' sole instinct seems to be the sensation akin to 'oh, that'd be fun' and then he fucks it up because that's seldom a really good reason to do anything.

To be fair, I've got two acknowledged children and a wedding ring out of him on that basis.

Seems like there should be more than one alternative.

From another Times article:

[quote]They told an anecdote about Johnson’s second period in isolation when staff had to confine him to his study to stop him mixing with staff. “I remember we had to create a ‘cat run’ for him to get down from the flat to his office so he wouldn’t come into contact with people. “The idea was we could talk to him through the open door. But he kept on coming out so we put two chairs across the door like some kind of puppy gate. “There was a pattern throughout. He just simply did not think about following the rules. They were not for him.”

I really hope at least one Tory has enough spine to go on the record about Johnson not taking responsibility and trying to blame others. A weekend of getting it in the ear from constituents - and more importantly local Association Chairmen - will make tomorrow interesting.

R193, If Scotland is so economically weak, why is Westminster so determined to hang on to it? It’s not for love.

[quote][R193], If Scotland is so economically weak, why is Westminster so determined to hang on to it? It’s not for love.

The same can be asked about why the European Union wanted the UK to remain a member state when so many anti Brexit people criticise the UK's world standing.

And the answer is because the divorce is so much hassle, it's a distraction and there is strength in union.

Scottish independence supporters still can't say what their economic model would be - stick with another country's currency (i.e. the £) adopt the Euro or create a brand new currency. They take the Nigel Farage position - it doesn't matter what the final outcome is because we'll be free!

The pound has been our currency since Union.It is our pound too. And if you really want to feel conflicted, Ireland’s currency was pegged to sterling for decades.

[quote]I just don’t get why the British people have to settle? Is this really their best offering? There is no one better suited for the job?

Boris will probably survive because there's no one in the party with the charisma to lead them to victory next elections. Chancellor Rishi Sunak, often seen as the next successor, is smart and capable ... and Asian (Indian). I know Brits like to pretend it doesn't matter, but it does, and the racist Tory underbelly will show itself should it come to an actual vote (never believe hypothetical polls) both as party leader and in the unlikely event he makes it to the general.

That said, I think Keir Starmer is the next Prime Minister of the UK and it's in the Tories interest to stay in power for the full five years of their term because they're getting thrown out next time.

Is this really the best offering? Fucking hell. We could only vote for a doddering old fool or a psychopathic lying fascist conman for President. Americans have nothing to say.

[quote]The pound has been our currency since Union.It is our pound too. And if you really want to feel conflicted, Ireland’s currency was pegged to sterling for decades.

You sound like Nigel Farage hun. Don't you think it's a bit queer the Nicola Sturgeon STILL hasn't confirmed her government's currency plan for independene? It's 8 years after the first referendum and 2 years ahead of the next independence referendum that Sturgeon has promised "she will do everything to make happen."

SNP members voted overwhelmingly 2 months ago for Scotland to have its own currency. The party members have the same level of economic literacy and practical reality as Tory and UKIP party members.

Naturally Scottish Nationalists parrot the same claims as Brexit Nationalists - "We'll get whatever we ask for because it's in the UK/EU's interests to give it to us".

Do you honestly think a Government representing the interests of England, Wales and Northern Ireland is going to say "Sure hun, it's not in the interests of the people who elected me as their Prime Minister to do X but seeing as you asked nicely, what the hell!" The Prime Minister who negotiates Scotland's exit from the UK will take the same approach as the EU.

Didn't the Scots plan to keep the Queen as sovereign even after independence?

Anyway. back to Boris.

In attempting to shift blame on events in Downing Street to civil servants and party staffers, it looks like civil servants and party staffers are having none of it.

Several journalists are reporting that one aide directly questioned Boris Johnson about the party where 100 people were invited, the one he claims he thought was a work event. If he or she is blamed for this they are not going to go quietly, especially if/when the police get involved.

[quote]Didn't the Scots plan to keep the Queen as sovereign even after independence?

The official stance of the Nationalist government is that they would keep the Queen as head of state but the SNP itself is split over that happening. Older members appreciate the continuity and appreciate the Royal Family have a long standing association with the country and Balmoral is obviously in Scotland.

The Green Party who are in coalition government are absolute republicans and would make every attempt for an independent Scotland to become a true republic.

The royal family are also direct descendants of the Scottish Stuart royal dynasty, through James VI of Scotland/James I of England and Ireland.

Sweeties, wake up. Johnson is done.

Fix it and move on.

Boris Johnson is dangerous. Underneath the bumbling image is a man who would stab you in the front to get what he wants. He is the the fulfilment of Thatcherism.

Oy, fit builder!

[quote] It's 8 years after the first referendum and 2 years ahead of the next independence referendum that Sturgeon has promised "she will do everything to make happen."

The Sturge isn’t going to do a thing about indyref2 because all the SNP care about are COCKS and FANNIES.

He's a fucking cunt.

The Queen is still very much respected in Scotland, the rest of her family, well…..

It's very generational. Everyone who can remember the War and the decade or so after, loves her.

Everyone younger thinks her and the whole damn crew are a bunch of parasites.

I agree. But try telling that to a Rangers fan. Shit will fly.

R225 While it's always tempting to assume your opinion is the majority, opinion polls have consistently shown the only group who don't support the existence of the monarchy are aged 18-24, which has always been the case.

I'm not Scottish so I don't have an opinion. I was just observing the fact that support for the Monarchy breaks down across generational, class and geographic lines.

I know plenty of Scots who hate and despise the Windsors. Once old Liz kicks it, changes will come, in one form or another.

R227, please don't interrupt R225's feeling.

[quote]The Sturge isn’t going to do a thing about indyref2 because all the SNP care about are COCKS and FANNIES.

The investigation into MP Patrick Grady "fondling" a teenager is still ongoing, 10 months after he resigned after the complaint was made public, when original complaints about his behaviour were made in 2016.

And the investigation into the Finance Minister grooming a 16 year on Instagram took so long Derek Mackay was allowed to leave the party and stand down as an MSP so he faced no punishment.

SNP - Sexpest Nonce Party LOL.

The SNP is like most separatist parties... all cranky complaint, short tempered emotion, no real grasp of what comes once they get what they want. Separatist parties in functioning democracies are spoiled children, behaving badly.

The SNP have been in government in Scotland for 15 years. Their record on achievements is very limited, one of the reasons they continually stoke up grievances and blame everything on Westminster. And their politicians behave appallingly because they have a sense of arrogance and entitlement that comes with being the ruling party for so long.

They really are the Tartan Tories in so many ways.

I love Tracey Ullman playing Sturgeon trying to channel Angela Merkel.

This thread is about Boris Johnson despite some autists obsession with Nicola Sturgeon.

So post about Boris Johnson then R234

R234, you should read the Daily Mail forum. They lose their shit every time she is mentioned. She must terrify them.

Any woman to the left of the Kaiser terrifies right-wing kooks.

R106 here. Salmond being a bastard does not invalidate anything I said. I reiterate it.

As for Daily Mail posters, a lot are Russians. They've been on there thinking they influence US politics. Vladimir has a lot of rubles for trolls. Just like Meghan Markle.

[quote][R106] here. Salmond being a bastard does not invalidate anything I said. I reiterate it.

You're proud to reiterate your support a political movement run by people who covered up their leader being a bully and sex pest because confronting it would limit their ambitions. And you continue to support the same people despite their continued record on covering up sexual harassment, financial mismanagement and the cover up of children dying in hospitals.

You're no different to the people who think Boris Johnson should remain in power despite his appalling behaviour.

Scotland's nationalists really are no different in their moral outlook to England's nationalists - they just think their shit smells sweeter.

He's not going anywhere. He has no shame. And he's staying

Conservatives are scum

[quote]He's not going anywhere. He has no shame. And he's staying Conservatives are scum

The more Boris Johnson lies the more evidence there is of him lying.

"Downing Street sources" are now telling journalists the Prime Minister is lying about the statements he has made in the House Of Commons about what he knew and when.

Blaming Downing Street staffers for Boris Johnson's predicament was always a risky strategy when people have the same sense of loyalty to him that he has to everyone in his life.

Once Tory MPs can work out a replacement strategy he'll be gone. I'd expect it in the next 2 weeks if not before.

And once he's gone there's no way he's going to hang around as an MP so there'll be a by election with Labour will likely win. In the 2019 election Johnson was up against a Corbynite candidate who had issued a half arsed apology for being an anti semite and Owen Jones and a load of Momentum activists swarmed the area as part of an "unseat" campaign. Johnson duly increased his majority, but the good news for Labour now is that Owen Jones hates Keir Starmer more than the Tories, as do Momentum, so Labour should take it easily.

Dominic Cummings is offering to swear under oath that BoJo knew it was a party on 20 May and saying there are other witnesses willing to do the same.

Boris' departure isn't a question of if, but when. Too much baggage.

What will happen to Henry Newman, Carrie's gay pal and alleged "chatty rat"?

He is very handsome at times, but then unremarkable most of the time.

R240 there is no similarity whatever between the SNP and English nationalists, who are neo- fascist white supremacists. It shows the weakness of your case if you have to pretend they resemble each other.

[quote][R240] there is no similarity whatever between the SNP and English nationalists, who are neo- fascist white supremacists. It shows the weakness of your case if you have to pretend they resemble each other.

A nationalist with a superiority complex? Surely not!

Oh, there's just the small issue of the Scots wanting to still be part of the world's biggest free trade area and arguably the most successful political union in history, and the English wanting.... closer ties with Australia instead.

But apart from that little quibble, you're right, they are almost totally the same, it's uncanny.

I agree, R248. That 10% difference in the Brexit vote shows a gaping, unfathomable gulf between England and Scotland.

Do you know what the biggest problem the pro-Union side have in Scotland? Nothing to do with Europe, or the currency, or free trade or Trident nuclear submarines or any of that. I would say simply that a majority of Scots don't *really* feel British, in the sense of having a real love for British institutions, the flag, the monarchy, the army, the history and so on. Their patriotic affection is directed to Scotland instead. This doesn't necessarily mean that all those people would vote for independence of course, but, unlike those for whom their British identity has some meaning, there won't be any powerful emotional ties preventing them from doing so. The prospect of not being British any more sends some people foaming at the mouth with rage, but the bulk of Scottish society frankly won't be losing any sleep over it.

Do you know how many neighbourhoods in Glasgow applied for permission to hold a street party on the day of William and Kate's wedding back in 2011?

None. Not a single, solitary one. Perfect disinterest.

I felt so proud.

If Partygate investigator - senior civil servant Sue Gray - neither interviews Cummings nor acknowledges his assertions, her report will be seen to be incomplete. Which is of course why Cummings has put his assertion on record.

[quote]Do you know what the biggest problem the pro-Union side have in Scotland? Nothing to do with Europe, or the currency, or free trade or Trident nuclear submarines or any of that. I would say simply that a majority of Scots don't *really* feel British, in the sense of having a real love for British institutions, the flag, the monarchy, the army, the history and so on. Their patriotic affection is directed to Scotland instead. This doesn't necessarily mean that all those people would vote for independence of course, but, unlike those for whom their British identity has some meaning, there won't be any powerful emotional ties preventing them from doing so. The prospect of not being British any more sends some people foaming at the mouth with rage, but the bulk of Scottish society frankly won't be losing any sleep over it.

And the Scottish nationalist will vote to make themselves poorer based on a feeling of "we're not like you, we're different" - just like English nationalists.

Even when they have sub standard leadership who blame all their policy failings on the union they want to leave, Scottish nationalists still vote them back because they'll "stand up for the people" - identical to English nationalists.

And I agree the bulk of Scottish nationalists won't lose sleep over any hardships brought by independence, the way that most English nationalists don't.

Because as you say nationalism isn't about FACTS, it's about a FEELINGS - feelings of superiority that cancel out everything else.

Naturally it's upsetting to nationalists to be told they're not superior to the people they feel superior to, but they actually have far more in common than they would ever admit. HUGS!

[quote]Oh, there's just the small issue of the Scots wanting to still be part of the world's biggest free trade area and arguably the most successful political union in history, and the English wanting.... closer ties with Australia instead.

The Scottish Nationalist Party has historically been anti European - they campaigned to leave in the 1975 referendum because first and foremost they are nationalists. Over a third of SNP voters supported Brexit.

The SNP has always been a very conservative party - they took millions for notorious homophobe Brian Souter (the man who spent millions to keep section 28) and then nominated him for a knighthood despite claiming to be opposed to the honours system. When Labour was in government in the early 00s trying to reform all the homophobic laws the SNP weren't supporting them unconditionally because they were taking the "family values" stance.

There is still a huge section of the party who hate Europeans as much as they hate Muslims, Blacks and the English. Humza Yousef and Anas Sarwar have both spoken out against the racist and anti Muslim abuse they've received from within their own parties.

But yes, the Scottish are morally superior to the English!

Nicola Sturgeon on Brian Souter's poll

[quote]Scottish National Party education spokeswoman, Nicola Sturgeon, said the result confirmed that many Scots were concerned about repeal. She said: "That is why the SNP have urged a policy for many months that we believe can provide people with the necessary reassurance, by providing a statutory underpinning to the guidelines, and resolve this difficult debate. "We believe that the value of marriage should be clearly referred to in the guidelines, without denigrating other relationships or children brought up in other kinds of relationship. However, later on Tuesday, MSPs rejected a plea to put marriage into a statute in the clause designed to replace Section 28.

Thank god for Labour and the Lib Dem's moral leadership on this. Sturgeon and the SNP begrudgingly voted for the repeal but it was very much a calculated political decision rather than one based on what was right.

Tartan Tories.

The U.K. used to be big on commanding respect on the world’s stage.

[quote]The U.K. used to be big on commanding respect on the world’s stage.

The UK (England) is currently standing with the US and allying with Ukraine against the imminent invasion by Russia.

Germany has decided to stay neutral and wouldn't even let the UK fly over German airspace to deliver defensive weapons to Ukraine.

Brexit was a huge mistake but the we'll see how useless the European Union is in its response. As useless as its response has been to Hungary's anti gay laws, Poland's anti women laws, Belarus's dictatorship and now this.

“The UK (England) is currently standing with the US and allying with Ukraine against the imminent invasion by Russia.”

They get a standing ovation from me. I’d like to see them go further. Where is the full-throated response to creeping fascism?

What role did BoJo play in the Ukraine assistance? Where is his big speech calling on his neighbors to help? Where is France and Germany?

[quote]The UK (England) is currently standing with the US and allying with Ukraine against the imminent invasion by Russia.

While Russia with Czar Vladimir Putin really is a menacing threat on the European stage, Ukraine is far from the pure unsullied, innocent victim it's portrayed to be. First of all, it's likely the most fiscally and morally corrupt country on the European continent. Exploiting Europe's justified fear of the Russian bear tol wag the NATO dog.

Word to the wise: Do not travel to Ukraine if you're black. I repeat. Do not go to Ukraine if you're a black person.

Raab stating today that lying to Parliament should be a matter for resigning, but defending Johnson. How to appear loyal while stating your case for the top job. They are all shameless. And we have no Opposition worthy of the name. Kier Starmer couldn’t hit his own arse with a tennis racket.

[quote]Where is France and Germany?

Macron has an election in May and is fighting populism with populism to get re-elected and Germany have a new Chancellor and are reliant on Germany for their fuel.

I'm just thankful that Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn and Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry aren't in government to deal with the Russia situation.

[quote]Kier Starmer couldn’t hit his own arse with a tennis racket.

Keir Starmer is having a great crisis. Labour are now 10-14 points ahead in the polls.

Starmer's lack of charisma is a bonus in a situation like this. There has been a lot of media attention on how many times he's had to self isolate from Covid and missed important events in the House Of Commons. Every time Starmer stuck to the rules and did what was expected of him.

Starmer timed his resignation call perfectly.

It’s almost as if this is an international war but only one side is fighting while the other side plays defense and “no boots on the ground” to the point of being paralyzed.

*multinational

It seems to me that the democratic countries are being tricked. Here’s how it works.

The fascist use social media and use liberal fronts to demand “no action” from democratic countries. We’ve seen their controlled opposition attempts intensify over the last 5 years. They are controlling the narrative.

Then the fascists are free to do what they want with no opposition. The keep making gains while the democracies of the world are tricked into not responding in the name of “peace”.

I’m happy to see U.K. And Cananda send help despite these populists attempts (which I believe are staged using online persuasion techniques like mass trolling) to placate the authoritarian creep into worldwide power.

[quote]No10 carefully trying to shift goalposts. Last week, No10 said wait for Sue Gray to establish facts. Now it's clear No10 will say - *regardless of facts* - the issue is PM 'implicitly believed' there was not a party & so did not 'knowingly mislead' Parl. No10 don't want the PM to be judged on the facts but on what was in his head. Didn't he realise what he was doing when he attended the parties, saw the email, spoke in Parliament? The only person who can answer that is the PM himself. And his answer will be 'no'.

Everyone laughed when Jeremy Corbyn tried to insult their intelligence with the "present but not involved" line when he denied laying a wreath at the graves of the men who plotted the Munich Olympic massacre of Israeli athletes, DESPITE PICTURES OF HIM WITH A WREATH IN THE CEMETARY WHERE THEY ARE BURIED.

Now Boris is going for the "present but unaware of a party taking place" line for attending the Downing Street parties.

Corbin seemed like he got mixed up with the opposition and somehow became a plant that whose job it was to make liberals look bad.

Breaking:

Nobody warned me drinks event was against rules - PM

"Nobody warned me that it was against the rules," the prime minister said, adding: "I would have remembered that." Former aide Dominic Cummings says he warned Mr Johnson at the time, and has accused him of misleading MPs about it. Asked if he would resign if he was found to have misled MPs, Mr Johnson said: "Let's see what the report says."

Why does BoJo need a report. He was there.

This guy has to resign. This is getting messier by the day.

[quote]Why does BoJo need a report. He was there.

He needs an objectified third-party report implicitly to shift most or all blame, somehow to build on and survive. Good luck with that.

I get waiting for a report on a National incident but this guy was there. It was his residence. It was his party.

Smh

Boris Johnson's statement is so full of bullshit it's almost on the verge of being hilarious.

It's almost funny that he's so arrogant and detached from the truth he can come out with that statement.

But it's not funny or hilarious because for so many people the lies he tells are now directly linked with the grief and suffering they experienced and it just rakes it up.

Dude needs to put pen to paper and get it over with. The goose is cooked.

Ooof. This video is very well done.

When the most popular tv drama is mocking you, it's time to go.

What's the bottom line on this Rishi Sunak? Don't know a thing about him, think he's good-looking though.

[quote]What's the bottom line on this Rishi Sunak? Don't know a thing about him, think he's good-looking though.

His grandparents were immigrants to the UK. His mother and father both work in health. They wanted him to attend the local private school but he didn't get a scholarship so they took on extra work to pay for his fees. He became the first Asian head boy there.

He's very bright, very ambitious. There's a lot of talk of him being a billionaire - his wife comes from a very wealthy family. He's wealthy but not flash. He knows the value of things.

And he was born in the 1980s.

Strange face on Rishi. Goes between ugly and handsome. But I think he's sexy, like the lanky type. Nice color.

I was just reading Rishi’s Wikipedia entry. He’s a teetotaler, at any rate.

There’s a chance Boris will survive in the short term: his potential successors are calculating whether to axe now or wait until the autumn. There are tax rises coming in April, inflation is rising, and hugely increased energy bills will become payable around the same time. This will be closely followed by local elections in May which could see massive Tory losses.

None of the potential successors are keen to take the flak for all this, so they may try to persuade MPs to keep Boris in place, at least until later this year, by which time Covid will hopefully be receding.

I appreciate that the English think themselves to be the centre of the world, just as the centrists think themselves to be the most rational and the most reasonable....

But it is very difficult to hold the position that England voted to make itself poorer by leaving the EU while simultaneously Scotland would vote to make itself poorer by leaving England...

If independence is the only route back into the EU, and EU membership makes you richer, that has to be factored into the calculation. Indeed it's probably the central issue at stake.

Also, let's not pretend that Putin does anything other than piss himself laughing every time any UK government minister opens his mouth to talk tough. Especially if it is BoJo.

Johnson’s next excuse- “The dog ate my homework”.

r280 he and his wife make a cute couple. She looks very regal, like a lady who lunches, but I assume she probably has an advanced degree and is more productive with her time.

Sunak is apparently a Thatcherite who is in the odd position of having been the biggest spending chancellor in recent history. It might help him win over the public in the early days but his limited public record makes it difficult to predict what kind of a PM he'd be, which is always dangerous.

[quote]But it is very difficult to hold the position that England voted to make itself poorer by leaving the EU while simultaneously Scotland would vote to make itself poorer by leaving England...

On leaving the European Union England/The UK left a free trade area with its biggest trading partners.

If it leaves the UK Scotland will be leaving a trading union with its biggest trading partners. If/when it rejoins the European Union there will be benefits, but most of its trade is with the UK and there will be border issues on the Scottish/English border. The European Union won't be happy admitting Scotland with its deficit levels in the position they're in so that will need to be resolved. Then there will be the additional costs of setting up all of its own agencies and regulator and whatever it chooses to do with its currency.

When Nicola Sturgeon makes an announcement on what her government's plan is for the Scotland's membership of the European Union and the currency the risks/benefits will become clearer, but like Nigel Farage she's deliberately shady about those points because she doesn't know and insisting "Whatever we ask for we'll get because it's in everyone's interest that we get what we want".

Nationalists do have a very warped view of reality.

U.K. to BoJo: it’s time to GoGo!

FTFY

Parties in no 10 on the night before the Duke of Edinburgh's funeral seems to have done a lot of damage, particularly with Tory activists and donors. I guess that's the third rail of English politics - the monarchy. and how it must be always officially revered even if sometimes privately mocked.

English sentimentality is a strange and powerful thing, and even BoJo, who has been very good at pandering to it (see the last minute airlift of dozens of dogs and cats from Kabul as the Taleban closed in) has fallen afoul if it in the end.

R288 I think we can say with certainty that the EU will do all it can to fast-track Scotland in. It would represent the ultimate victory for them over the Brexit tendency if they did, and would help massively in preventing Poland, Hungary or Italy getting any ideas.

. When England voted to Brexit, it was ultimately betting that the EU would not survive as a project. So far, this does not appear to have been borne out.

{quote]I think we can say with certainty that the EU will do all it can to fast-track Scotland in

Yes, here you go with your Farage impression. "The EU will give us what we want because it's in their interests". Delusional, but then nationalists with superiority complexes generally are.

Mrs. Sunak’s father is a billionaire, and her shares in his company have given her a fortune of over £400 million. Despite this, she took taxpayers’ money to furlough her staff during lockdown. Meanwhile thousands of businesses were going under. There is a name for people like her, and it rhymes with cunt.

Conservative MPs may vote for Sunak as one of the candidates to be put forward to the party members for election, but I doubt the Conservative Party membership will vote for him. A billionaire leader is not going to be appealing at a time of a cost of living crisis.

The favourite at the moment seems to be Liz Truss, who has gained Brexity credentials as he chief negotiator of new trade deals. She voted Remain, but has the gleam of the converted and clearly models herself on Thatcher’s style (despite previously being a Liberal). She is a horrrendously bad public speaker though.

Dominic Raab is presumably keen on making Boris survive until the autumn, to give people time to forgive Raab’s lamentable performance over the Afghanistan withdrawal. He would previously have been a front-runner, but his reputation has been badly damaged.

My hunch is that the final 2 candidates will be Jeremy Hunt and Sajid Javid. Javid is fairly right-wing, but able to hide the fact. Hunt is a Remainer, but the party may vote for him now that Brexit is (allegedly) “done”. He is a safe pair of hands, disciplined, the anti-Johnson. He may well appeal to a party sick of Johnson’s theatrics.

Of course, the Conservatives are notorious for picking unlikely leaders. Thatcher, Major, Cameron and May were all underdogs who came to the top very quickly, so they may pick a new leader who none of us expect.

I've seen this thread for so long I thought you were all blowing smoke. Is this little incident really enough to topple Bozo the Clown?

[quote]Is this little incident really enough to topple Bozo the Clown?

Yes. The lying and trying to blame his staff has made people very angry.

Whoever takes over will be the Queen's 15th Prime Minister.

Although he's loathsome it will be quite something to have a caretaker Prime Minister in Dominic Raab, the son of a Jewish Czechoslovakian refugee who arrived in the UK as a child, whose family were murdered by the Nazis.

R292 It plainly is now in the EU's interest for the UK to break up. Isn't that obvious? Why wouldn't it be?

[quote]R292 It plainly is now in the EU's interest for the UK to break up. Isn't that obvious? Why wouldn't it be?

The EU doesn't want to break up the UK. It wants a solution to the Northern Irish border because it takes its responsibility very seriously, more seriously than the current UK Government does.

And the idea that Scotland will be fast tracked to join the EU out of revenge to the England is a great idea until you wonder how Spain would feel about that considering their issues with Catalonian independence.

Scot Nats have always been deluded fantasists, I thought they'd gained some perspective but no, they were always nutters just with a different perspective to the Farage supporters.

"...this little incident," R295? This is a series of not-little incidents. Nice attempt at whitewashing, but you failed miserably.

I wish the Scottish separatists would separate from this thread. I'll build you a new one if you're too cheap to subscribe.

If they're to have any hope - which is long odds - they need to make a principled decision to get rid of him, which means sooner, rather than later (if the clock ticks too long past Sue Gray, that window closes and then you're into scenes from Downfall, as they cling on until it's over.)

They've hit the iceberg, the question is how long before they come to understand the ship is not unsinkable.

Realpolitik dictates that if the UK thrives having left the European project, it doesn't look so good for the project. Bury your head in the sand if you must.

Looking back on Prince Andrew's interview with Emily Maitlis, I found myself wondering why he told so many lies that were fairly easy to show were lies: eg 'I don't sweat because I got shot at in the Falklands War' or 'I never go out in London without jacket and tie'. Of course plenty of photos soon emerged of him looking sweaty and without a jacket and tie. More importantly, he is now being asked to prove the sweating story in court with medical records, and of course he can't. Yet it wasn't necessary to tell such an elaborate lie in order to maintain a facade of innocence.

I wonder if Boris Johnson has the same kind of compulsion to lie, even when he knows the truth is quite easily provable. Perhaps he is just too far dug in. He has categorically denied ever having received an email from Dominic Cummings warning him about the party, and if one existed, some trace of it will likely be found.

R295, there is an MP in Johnson’s party whose wife gave birth to twins while Britain was under lockdown. The mother and babies both became very ill and both babies died. Under the law at that time, the father was unable to be with them in hospital. He did what was regarded as the right thing, and stayed at home, while his family was so ill.

Every MP is hearing similar stories for constituents, people furious that they stayed away from loved ones for months, because they had been convinced that it was the right thing to do . The situation has hit an emotional nerve, and Johnson can’t talk his way out of it.

r299 It's quite little by American standards. . both the right and left, and all the mouthpiece 'experts' have freely flaunted it! It's been great for the parties though. They just point at each other and scream "Not it!"

R305, you're misjudging the degree to which people who were under lockdown, who couldn't be in hospital when loved ones died, etc, are rightly infuriated and are not going to forget this. Not everyone is as stupid and forgiving as Trump-loving Americans. Clearly you're wrong because the outrage in the UK builds daily, and there's no end in sight, particularly as daily revelations come to light.

Tory journalist Dan Hodges is tweeting that Cabinet Ministers are briefing him they expect a leadership challenge. Apparently some of the whips have turned and momentum is building amongst the 2019 intake for a change. Looks like some Tory backbenchers had some rather tough weekends in their constituencies.

[quote]Parties in no 10 on the night before the Duke of Edinburgh's funeral seems to have done a lot of damage, particularly with Tory activists and donors.

Had the partying party been Labour, there'd probably be an emergency government by now. A Labour leader with a fraction of Johnson's misdemeanours wouldn't have got within 100 miles of No10, let alone remained after this decadence while people died alone.

The right-wing press which would have savaged such Labour loucheness has helped enable this entire situation by indulging Boris endlessly. It's done him no favours, by tacitly saying, you're pretty much untouchable, splendid amusing Old Etonian character. At least you're not Labour!

In its way this is similar to the mainstream hands-off frightened media handling of Trump for too long. Obama would not have managed one thousandth of Trump's transgressions, nor wanted to. Just do a thought experiment and imagine Kier Starmer allowing a score of parties at No.10 during a national emergency - and the media saying, 'Well just maybe some work was going on. Let's wait and see.' No, me neither, on either account.

I agree that the print press are harder on Labour and it's noticeable that it's been the Daily Mirror leading on the reveals - notably Pippa Crerar who was banned from joining other members of the press on the Tory election bus in 2019. But The Telegraph have also broken stories about Downing Street parties and rule breaking.

The Sun's deputy editor is a former Downing Street staffer one of the leaving parties was held for so it is a horrific conflict of interest and they're as disgraceful as you'd expect.

But if this HAD been Corbyn I have no doubt there would be opinion pieces in The Guardian by Owen Jones defending him. And seeing Tories defend Johnson when what he has done is indefensible reminds me of how so many Labour MPs defend Corbyn at his absolute worst, totally degrading themselves in the process, stories which The Guardian and The Mirror didn't touch. Fair enough it's the opposition so not as important but still.

And sorry to drag it back to Scotland again but have you ever looked at The National - a "paper" run by the SNP's press office. They make The Sun look objective and neutral.

Let me reluctantly, tentatively make the case for the defence: Boris’ successor is likely to be worse than him in most ways that matter.

One of the interesting things that is happening is that the Right (including the Daily Telegraph) which used to pay Boris handsomely when he was a journalist) has turned against Him. He was very useful to the hard Right when he was acting as a circus barker for Brexit. His chaotic nature, humour, dishevelled appearance made him seem different from the other politicians in the campaigns. Now that the press barons, and the hard right of the Tory Party have got their Brexit, and there is no turning back, he is surplus to requirements.

Alongside his weird pseudo-Churchillian nationalism, Johnson has many beliefs which do not fit in with the rightwing he has allied himself with. He believes in huge investment in green energy. He has been reluctant to cut taxes. He wants to pursue a huge plan of investment in the North of England, which has caused disquiet in the Tory Shires of the South. And, somewhat ironically, he kept Covid restrictions in place far longer than many in his party wanted to.

For the Right, Boris has outlived his usefulness. They now want a reliably rightwing approach in every area, and an end to his centrist views. And he finds himself dangerously without allies as he purged the party of centrists over Brexit, and ushered in a new tribe of Tories who are more Northern, but also much more rightwing because he insisted that they make a pledge to support Brexit before they could stand for election. He has moved his party to the right, and now it wants a new leader in its own image.

U.K. Seems to have enemies within its own ranks. Clearly paid off by foreign interests who what to cause great harm, chaos and division amongst the western allied democracies.

I can never tell which side Boris is on. Is he protecting the realm from its enemies, or has he, if even in the second degree, joined them?

You can never tell where the loyalty lies with this one.

Rupert Murdoch has sided with the fascists. He would have been an ally to Hitler. And his stink is all over the hallowed halls of parliament. The outsized role he plays in all countries conflicts borders on war crimes.

country’s

Tomorrow (Wednesday's) front page of The Sun has tiny line about Boris and the main story is that Nadiya from Strictly has DUMPED her fiance and has GROWN CLOSE to Kai.

Seriously.

Is that the rag BoJo used to write for, R315?

From Kathryn Samson of STV News:

[quote] One senior Tory has messaged me to say they are hearing there might be a statement from Sir Graham Brady first thing tomorrow morning and that the PM has been told tonight. Not confirmed - but there’s a sense of real movement tonight. #DowningStreetParties

[quote] I’ve also been told cabinet ministers have been phoning round MPs to try and gather support for Boris Johnson. You just wonder where we will be by PMQs tomorrow.

[quote] Another Tory MP says he’s been told 54 letters are in place and PM is going to contest it.

^ Oops, I fucked up the link. Here it is:

Oh I hope they let him do his last PMQs - with questions on the order paper from all the Tories who have publicly called for him to go.

All the broadsheets are running stories about the mobilization of MPs, particularly from the North, against him. It's getting harder and harder for him to hang on. At some point they ask themselves which looks worse: a deposed Boris and a civil war (internally.) I'd bet money even Boris' supporters don't really care what ultimately happens to him. He's a calamity, though R311 makes a number of very prescient points. Since Thatcher, Conservatives in the UK have become a better educated version of the Republicans, with better manners.

Last week’s PMQs was fairly brutal for him, but comedy gold for the rest of us, as he tried hard to look contrite while facing a barrage of demands for resignation, interspersed wih some deeply weird Tory questions about washing machine filters and dinosaur museums in Rutland.

If this is true, I just hope someone filmed it:

Senior Tory backbencher to Boris: "In the name of God, go." Comparing Boris, a great Churchill admirer, to Chamberlain... Ouch.

A Tory MP literally walked across the Chamber to join Labour just before Bojo spoke. He's losing actual MPs as well as by-elections. They won't want him here for the local elections in May.

Despite it all, Johnson openly took the piss out of the SNP leader in the Commons at PMQs today. Ian Blackford was working up his head of steam leading to demanding Johnson resign - when the camera cut to Boris bobbing his head from side to side, grinning, as if to say, On and on this bore goes again. Cut to Blackford, even more incensed at the arrogance of the PM - who was then seen theatrically to check his wristwatch! It really didn't help that Blackford looked ever more like an enraged Oliver Hardy.

Probably a notable percentage within Boris knows the game is up, and he thinks at certain points, Who fucking cares, do your worst.

Brazening it out is ALWAYS the best approach in today's environment.

There's just some Tory bloke on Sky News babbling shit about the very MP who defected to Labour due to Tories behaving likes dicks in the entire affair. What a tosspot.

[quote]Brazening it out is ALWAYS the best approach in today's environment.

Well, it's the usual approach these days. It's actually pretty awful for government, politics, society... but that's what we are now.

[quote]Despite it all, Johnson openly took the piss out of the SNP leader in the Commons at PMQs today. Ian Blackford was working up his head of steam leading to demanding Johnson resign - when the camera cut to Boris bobbing his head from side to side, grinning, as if to say, On and on this bore goes again. Cut to Blackford, even more incensed at the arrogance of the PM - who was then seen theatrically to check his wristwatch! It really didn't help that Blackford looked ever more like an enraged Oliver Hardy.

Ian Blackford is one of the most loathed MPs in the House of Commons. He won his seat in 2015 from Charles Kennedy, an MP who was respected and admired by MPs from all parties, whatever their political differences. Blackford's campaign against Kennedy was one of the most disgusting campaigns the UK has ever seen, with Kennedy's mental health being ridiculed. He died shortly after he lost the seat he'd held for nearly 35 years. Some SNP members were expelled for their role in the bullying but Blackford was rewarded by being elected SNP leader in the House of Commons.

He's mismanaged sexual harassment complaints, and arranged to meet one complainant who found the MP who had assaulted him in the office crying and begging for forgiveness. In the words of Sonia, he's a nasty piece of work.

And on top of his moral failings he's the most dreadful public speaker. There's a belief that he was elected because his speeches are so appalling, and he helps even the most staunch unionists consider Scottish independence. Joanna Cherry is formidable parliamentarian but she's seen as a threat by Sturgeon who doesn't have an obvious successor and has been punished for her sex not gender beliefs.

There's a TikTok that's gone viral of a 5 year old Asian girl in London explaining to her mother why Boris is in trouble. "He was a very naughty boy and was sent to the Naughty House (House of Commons) to explain he was bad".

Tory MPs are referring to the defecting Labour MP Christian Wakeford as Christian WOKEford. So witty!

It's hard to see who is angrier about the defection, the Tories who think he is disloyal and wish him an early death or Owen Jones and the Jew obsessed Corbynite left who are horrified that a Tory be allowed join the Labour Party. What a bunch of moaning pussies.

The Queen sets an example for BoJo but he doesn't know how to do that.

R330 That would actually tilt me toward Boris. People need to keep their stupid kids off social media.

Bear in mind there's a dodgy timing issue here. If the 54 letters go in yet Boris survives the challenge, then he's immunized against another challenge for a year. That is, Boris's enemies have to be careful not to strike too soon.

R329 please do us all a favour and stop babbling about the SNP all the time. Your rants start to get pretty boring and predictable.

[quote][R329] please do us all a favour and stop babbling about the SNP all the time. Your rants start to get pretty boring and predictable.

Soz hun - by way of an apology here's a photo of Alex Salmond you can wank yourself into a frenzy over

R336 you're clearly obsessed.

Just get the tissues out, put the rubber band on nice and tight and have a nice slow wank thinking about putting your head up Alex Salmond's kilt and noshing on his haggis.

What is Boris going to do, post-Premiership? He didn't even have enough money to decorate his own flat. Will he just go back to being a columnist for The Spectator? Who's gonna care what he thinks?

He'll probably write books still. His histories are well received, I think. Eventually, the furore will die down and he'll bumble charm his way back to a semblance of respectability. Even Tony Blair was able to shake off his past to an extent he made millions at least and his interviews still make the papers. In the end, that club of power brokers and wannabes and media doesn't really forsake it's own.

People form his social class inevitable fall upwards regardless of their ability.

What does a rubber band have to do with this suggestion?

On second thought, I don’t want to know.

British politics is so boring and petty. This would never be an issue in America. Having said that, I hope he's forced out. Remember what the racist fat fuck said about Obama?

Be sure and nobody tell R329 that Joanna Cherry is also a close ally of Alex Salmond and would probably have defected to his new Alba party had it won any seats in the 2021 elections.

[quote] Serious. Tory MP William Wragg accuses govt whips and No 10 of blackmail and breaking ministerial code. Says they’ve threatened to withdraw investment from MPs’ constituencies if they support no confidence. Also threatened with negative press stories.

Surely there's no way back from this?

oooooooooooooooh, now it's getting really juicy

holy shit -- do these fuckwits not care about their baby daughter?

[quote] Romy, baby daughter of the British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, has fallen ill with Covid-19. According to a report in the Daily Mail, Romy was "badly affected" at one point. However, she is now on the road to recovery. Last week, it became known that an unnamed member of Johnson's family had tested positive. Johnson subsequently canceled several appointments, the newspaper further reported. Romy Johnson is the second child of Boris and Carrie Johnson. The British prime minister himself had also already fallen ill with Covid-19. In March 2020, he was therefore temporarily in intensive care. Pressure on Johnson over government parties during the CoV lockdown increased further in recent days.

His histories aren't well received, nor does he research them or write them.

Forgot to add, r348 is for r340.

Boris's histories aren't well received, nor does he research them or write them himself. He pays someone to the actual work, he waffles a bit into a dictaphone to give the overall tone and then the ghost writer writes up what the research that has been provided by someone else.

His name isn't even Boris, it's Alexander. Boris is one of his middle names. Family and friends call him Al.

It's been hilarious seeing the far left cranks PLEAD for Jeremy Corbyn to have the Labour whip restored on the grounds that a Tory MP has now joined Labour.

There are rumours of more defections from the Tories to Labour, and it's conceivable there are some southern Remainer types who might join the Lib Dems. In 2019 the Lib Dems struggled to attract Tory Remain votes because a Corbyn Labour government was such a repulsive option. A Keir Starmer Labour government is a much different prospect and Tories like Dominic Raab, who saw his majority reduced from 23000 to 3000 will be shitting a brick if the Tories continue to do badly in the polls.

Johnson is like a tick that just refuses to drop off.

R349 his last name isn't really Johnson either. In his Who Do You Think You Are episode, they revealed the name they changed to Johnson. Think it was Turkish.

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

So hawt!

[quote]Johnson is like a tick that just refuses to drop off.

Like a turd that won't flush.

Yes, r352, his real surname is Kemal. From dad Stanley's Wikipedia.

[quote]Stanley Johnson was born in 1940 in Penzance, Cornwall, the son of Osman Kemal (later known as Wilfred Johnson) and Irene Williams (daughter of Stanley Fred Williams of Bromley, Kent, who was the grandson of Sir George Williams,[4] and Marie Louise de Pfeffel).[5][6] His paternal grandfather, Ali Kemal Bey, one of the last interior ministers of the Ottoman government, was assassinated in 1922 during the Turkish War of Independence. Stanley's father was born in 1909 in Bournemouth, and his birth was registered as Osman Ali Wilfred Kamal.[7] Osman's Anglo-Swiss mother Winifred Brun died shortly after giving birth.[8] Ali Kamal returned to the Ottoman Empire in 1912, whereafter Osman Wilfred and his sister Selma were brought up by their English grandmother, Margaret Brun, and took her maiden name, Johnson, Stanley's father thus becoming Wilfred Johnson.[9]

And yet blonder than blond. Genetics are funny.

Kemal Ataturk, founder of the modern Turkish state, had blond hair and blue eyes. Guess that's the Balkan Slavic influence. Boris's great-grandfather was part Circassian, and they're quite light-skinned. Boris's family history is actually quite interesting, on his mother's side too. There's a lot of escaping to different countries in it though, which might explain to an extent why he's such a chancer.

Boris is also the great-great-grandson of George Williams, the founder of the YMCA.

The mummified 18th-century body of one of Boris's foremothers, Anna Catharina Bischoff, was found in Switzerland.

R153 - How is that nationalism is laudable for Scotland, but not for England?

England hasn't trapped itself into a vortex of anything that isn't afflicting the West generally.

Nicola Sturgeon has been fixated on "independence" since she's 16 years old. It's what gets her out of bed in the morning, and she has been far worse for Scotland than England has. She's let the economy go down the shitter, its education system is appalling, and she's in the dog house now for her handling of the pandemic.

In case it escaped anyone's notice, England is 80% of Scotland's trading, and through the Barnett Formula, England is paying through the nose for Scotland's economic doldrums each year.

Cut the crap. English nationalism? The place is being torn apart by multiculturalism. England doesn't know who it is any longer.

And spare me the only piece of evidence you have: BREXIT. If Brussels had been just barely more respectful of a member nation's issues and less contemptuous as it laughed Cameron out of the room in February 2016, we'd still be in.

The other members are reinstating hard borders as fast as they can.

You have the cart before the horse: it is Scottish and Welsh nationalism that is making the English sourly figure they may as get their own, as well.

Some more details on the April party. Why isn't he gone yet?

zzz, R361

R360, she still looks better than BoJo.

He always tries too hard.

Saturday night and it's all kicking off again in the Tory Party.

The Sunday paper exclusives are out there and it's not pretty.

A competent Tory MP who has been one of the most vocal about Uighur genocide said she was told by one of the whips there was a problem with her being a muslim when she was dropped from having a ministerial role. The Chief Whip revealed it was him who had had the conversation with her, he died the allegations and has now deleted the tweets.

COME ON GOVE, STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TWIST IT GOOD, YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO

[quote] The place is being torn apart by multiculturalism. England doesn't know who it is any longer.

They always reveal themselves eventually.

So, British friends, is Boris hanging in there? Seems like the best strategy is always to outlast the opposition until their outrage winds down, people get bored/tired, and everyone moves on.

Boris's cabinet colleagues have made clear if he has mislead Parliament then he'll have to resign.

The world waits the Sue (Ellen/Linda) Gray report with baited breath but the party is imploding.

The Tories have become Labour under Corbyn - there is no discipline, no pretence of competence, ideological populism instead of implementable policies and unashamed racism. If the party doesn't get a grip soon there will be more defections, more resignations.

Sue Gray’s report should be published tomorrow or Tuesday, but Raab has hinted that parts that Johnson does not agree with will not be published.

[quote] parts that Johnson does not agree with will not be published

WTF?!?

I actually used to like Boris when he was on Have I Got News For You. That was his Apprentice. So I blame Ian Hislop for Boris.

[quote]I actually used to like Boris when he was on Have I Got News For You. That was his Apprentice. So I blame Ian Hislop for Boris.

Johnson appeared on Have I Got News For You twice before he became an MP when he was editor of The Spectator. He was first elected as an MP in 2001 and he then appeared on the show 5 times over the next 6 years, hosting 4 times. This included in 2004 after he'd been sacked from the Tory opposition role because he'd lied to then leader Michael Howard about his affair with fellow journalist Petronella Wyatt who had had 2 abortions during their relationship.

Lembit Opik also had 7 appearances on Have I Got News For You. If only the show had been the same boost for his career. He might not have fucked Petronella Wyatt, but he did fuck at least one of The Cheeky Girls.

Former Lib Dem leader Charles Kennedy appeared on the show 9 times. Ken Livingston, the racist pensioner Boris beat to be London Mayor in 2008 and 2012, has appeared on HIGNFT 12 times. Diane Abbott, Alex Salmond and Jacob Rees Mogg all have 4 appearances.

Jess Phillips, one of Labour's best media performers, has been on 5 times since being elected in 2015.

[quote] Sue Gray’s report should be published tomorrow or Tuesday, but Raab has hinted that parts that Johnson does not agree with will not be published.

He’ll try that if the all-knowing Sue Gray finds him guilty of impropriety because it will be the last card he’ll have to play. It will result in more outrage, make him look even more of a liar and the downward spiral will continue.

Johnson’s only hope is that his party decide not to replace him until later this year, in order to keep him in office to take the flak for the rise in inflation, the increased energy bills payable in April, the National Insurance tax rises from April and the predicted terrible losses in the May elections.

[quote]outrage winds down

[quote]hinted that parts that Johnson does not agree with will not be published

The second quote would ensure that the first is yet more improbable. Too big a story which has gone on too long with too many Johnsonian schoolboy evasions. No.10 parties aplenty while people die alone: not a great look, ever.

We've been told for weeks by the PM and senior ministers to 'Wait for the report.' If we can't read the fucking report MPs will have their remaining ears torn off by enraged constituents, and Johnson will certainly face a no confidence vote. He's hunkered down in his country retreat this weekend for a reason: to prepare to fight for his political life.

For connoisseurs of political theatre, this could be the biggest week since the fall of Thatcher.

There is absolutely no way ANY part of the Grey report is going to remain private.

To add another comparison to the Labour Party under Corbyn, the government now has so many whistleblowers leaking things to journalists it's impossible to keep anything under wraps.

Nadhim Zahawi and Sajid Javid have both offered explicit support to Nusrat Ghani over recollection of the meeting with the chief whip. They're both astute enough and know when the time is right to call for Boris to go. I wouldn't be surprised if Javid backs Zahawi for leader on condition Javid is restored to the Chancellor role. Rishi can have Home Secretary and Priti can fuck off.

I don't see how they can do anything but release the report in its entirety. They have no political capital to hide behind or spend. Your staff can't throw parties while regular people can't sit with their dying spouse and you then try to hide what everybody already knows. Sitting on it will be as bad as the worst in it.

I also have read consistently Grey is unlikely to lay blame. Her job is to establish the facts, not make judgments. But that's one and the same in the end.

Apparently Sue Grey has interviewed Downing Street police officers about the parties.

Usually it would be the police interviewing civil servants about law breaking but this is the 2020s!

I'm not a fan of any Tory MP but Rory Stewart at least seems an honourable guy. He is right here. Tory MPs made Johnson PM even though everyone has known for decades who and what he is. He should never have been presented to the electorate as a national leader, but that's what happened. and they have to own the consequences of that.

The Time reportibg Gray is now looking into rule breaking visits to Johnson's flat at Downing Street, by friends of his wife. For all the trouble she's caused, the broad must give wicked head.

And now there's an accusation that Carrie Antoinette arranged a birthday bash for him in Downing Street during the 2020 lockdown which was attended by their interior designer.

Awful, awful, awful.

Has the fuckwit stepped down yet?

No, R382. They'll have to drag him out of Downing Street kicking and screaming.

Just in. He’s toast.

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Instead of just posting links, why not type a comment making your point Instead?

We can shout and protest all we want but until at least 54 Tory MPs decide they want rid of him then we are stuck with him and even then they might not get rid of him.

You really have to hand it to Cummings (or whomever, but it's almost certainly Cummings).

He gets fired in November 2020. He sits quietly and keeps his powder dry for over a year.

He has clearly accumulated a big pile of evidence but he resists the temptation to go for a quick revenge and waits until the pandemic is nearly over, just when the public will be primed to hear this.

Then he drip drip drips it out at just the right pace - not giving the public too much at once, but keeping them on the boil. Making each new 'hit' bigger and more awful and indefensible than the last. Waiting until BoJo commits himself to another lie, which immediately gets disproven by the next evidence dump. Keeping his victim dangling, tormented, knowing what's coming yet unable to do anything to stop it.

I love it. I totally forgive the Barnard Castle thing. Fuck, I 99% forgive him for Brexit cos of this. I hope no-one ever hates me this much.

R375 Not exactly equal to the Thatcher departure after almost 12 years, Boris at 2½ years is still behind Spencer Percival who was assassinated.

It'll be more interesting than Thatcher if they have to drag him out of Downing St kicking and screaming.

The thing is, it's over. He's discredited. There's no point dragging it out. He was given a chance to disprove everything they said about him and he didn't.

Now imagine you're Cummings. You have played the media like a fiddle. You have orchestrated probably the most devastating series of leaks against a government in history. You have brought a PM with an 80 seat majority to the bring of resignation. You have planned this very carefully and have all your ducks in a row.

How do you end it? You don't just peter out with more stories of more parties. You don't just serve up more of the same.

I think he has a big reveal for the finish - and I think it's bigger than anything we've seen so far.

Hehehehehehe hehehehehehe hehehehhe Heh Heh Heh.

Has the fuckwit resigned yet?

From a human behaviour point of view it's fascinating how the Remainer/"FBPE" crowd on Twitter have gone from believing Dominic Cummings is one of the most malevolent and dishonest humans in modern political history to someone who every word about Boris *must* be true because they want to believe it. A total turnaround from the Barnard Castle deception.

The poacher turned gamekeeper turnaround has been spectacular, and the Remainers who think they are morally and intellectually superior to Brexiteers would now believe Cummings if he claimed he was pregnant with Boris's baby.

^^^^ Gotta be the most threadbare straw man I've seen in many a year.

There is evidence mate. Pictures and videos and plenty of witnesses. Oh yeah, and he's admitted it too.

You don't need to just believe Cummings.

Cumming's reports have been verified by other eye witnesses - and ones that don't need to go to Barnard Castle to test their eyesight. Johnson just lies.

Always fascinating to hear from Brexiters, any benefits yet? Would love to hear them.

I enclose a list at the bottom of this post

His hair always looks like a rat’s been sucking on it

[quote]Gotta be the most threadbare straw man I've seen in many a year. There is evidence mate. Pictures and videos and plenty of witnesses. Oh yeah, and he's admitted it too. You don't need to just believe Cummings.

Absolutely he's right about the parties and for once being honest about that, but of course he knew what was happening and tolerated it and collected evidence. He didn't come forward with the proof about Matt Hancock lying which he promised, but that's another issue.

My point is that Cummings words are now treated as the gospel truth by a group of people who previously viewed him as worse than Satan. And these people think they're much cleverer than the stupid fools who were duped into voting for Brexit by Cummings' lies. I'd treat Cummings' evidence with an amount of scepticism. - he's a known liar and untrustworthy.

I voted to Remain, I would vote to rejoin tomorrow despite some misgivings about the EU. But a proportion of Remainers on social media are so convinced of their righteousness they'll herald anything that proves them right - in this case Cummings. See also their praise today for Paul Keating's take down of Liz Truss. Again I don't like Liz Truss, but Remainers are promoting a former Australian PM turned apologist for the Chinese government because he trashed a Tory, a Tory who has taken a hard stance on China's human rights abuses and genocide of the Uighurs. That's what happened.

Still, PMQs on Wednesday will be fun.

But like: what claim are we taking on trust from Cummings without any supporting evidence?

[quote]But like: what claim are we taking on trust from Cummings without any supporting evidence?

Anything - people who hate Boris are waiting for the next big reveal from him and will accept what he says without question. The comments usually start with "You don't have to like Cummings to agree..."

It's mainly coming from a group of people on social media who have been assured of their moral and intellectual superiority over Brexit voters and can't question of Cummings is lying or exaggerating or just being messy bitch who loves the drama. Cummings is now Boris's enemy and their enemy's enemy is their friend. It's amazing to watch,

There's reason they're called Remoaners.

Now they're like an ex who won't move on.

I understand why people are unhappy about being outside of the EU, but there are a very loud group of people who view EVERYTHING through the prism of Brexit in the same way that Nigel Farage blamed all of the UK's problems on membership of the EU.

Honestly I feel as exhausted as Roxane Gay when i hear "THIS IS SHIT BECAUSE WE LEFT THE EU" comments about pretty much anything.

R397, yes it’s name is Carrie.

R401 it would be easy to move on if there was any benefit to be gained from this pestilential project, rather than the very real fact that we are the first country in history to elect to put economic sanctions on ourselves with the largest and most integrated free trade area in the world.

But go ahead thinking flogging marmite and PGtips to outer mongolia makes it all worth it for that sweet 0.00000000000000001% increase in GDP.

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Correction R405 "the gift that is always takin"

Let them eat sovereignty!

Or at least Colin the Caterpillar!

R401, ok, BoJo.

Now fuck off at last, will you. The country will very likely be better off without you.

It's done, dears. For better or worse, for richer for poorer, it's done. I'm sorry democracy is hard for you to live with. Rightly or wrongly, it's done. Get over it.

Nah, Great Britain, probably sooner than later Little Britain, needs to get over it. Thank God we're rid of you tosspots.

R409 It's done until it's undone, that's also democracy.

Is the tosser still in office?

Dead man walking, he'll be gone when it's politically expedient.

Phhft, the dopey wife.

[quote]Phhft, the dopey wife.

Yep, entitled and profoundly tone deaf. She may as well say out loud, 'Rules are for little people.'

As to Cummings, no-one ever accused him of being stupid. David Cameron described him as a 'career psychopath.' Not a single chance he'd leave No.10 photographed carrying his cardboard box of effects and not bide his time for incisive revenge.

Cummings's perfectly-judged leaking of bang-to-rights lawbreaking is the incremental version of the devastating cool speech Geoffrey Howe made which began the fall of Thatcher. As one Cabinet Minister said right after that speech, 'She's finished.'

Brexit was all about corruption and lies and personal agendas/political careers. It's no surprise that its greatest architect - Boris Johnson - is a corrupt liar who couldn't give a shit how much he fucks his own country over to further his political career. That he and his fellow shithead Brexiter Cummings have now fallen out and have turned against each other is par for the course for these kinds of people.

Boris is a goner. It's just a question of when. Many Tories (especially leader wannabees) would prefer he stayed to take the blame for the inevitably disastrous May local elections.

[quote]Brexit was all about corruption and lies and personal agendas/political careers.

If you really think that you're never going to persuade enough people to vote to rejoin the EU when the opportunity presents itself. Try listening to people and understand why they voted to leave.

Despite being a total cretin Corbyn understood this which is why Labour's pledge to end freedom of movement in 2017 was a vote winner.

Try explaining to people who voted to leave the EU that we need freedom of movement so we can get Europeans to work in the care sector when there are high unemployment levels in the UK and these jobs could be done by British people. Yes, the same people who want British people to do the jobs wouldn't consider doing the job themselves, but try selling the idea to them.

The UK's relationship with the EU needs a reset. And the Lady Emily approach of sneering at voters for being thick and stupid isn't going to work.

Anyway, FINALLY THE POLICE ARE INVESTIGATING THE LAW BREAKING AT DOWNING STREET!

I don't need to try to convince people who are stuck in a neo-imperial mindset and are therefore unable to assess what the world of today is really like and what Britain's true position in it actually is of the need to rejoin the EU, r418. Reality will do that, sooner or later.

[quote]I don't need to try to convince people who are stuck in a neo-imperial mindset

That wannabe intellectual shite might work down the pub when you're talking at people who are too drunk to get up and walk away.

Pompous cunts like you are one of the reasons Farage was able to persuade so many people.

[quote] The UK's relationship with the EU needs a reset.

I agree -- in case you want to rejoin, there will be no more cherry-picking for you.

R419, yassssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

It's time to pack your bags, Boris. Let's be generous though - you may take those fucking expensive wallpapers with you.

I don't give a shit, r421. The whole idea of Brexit was predicated on the idea that Britain is so much better than every other country, certainly every country in Europe. Any moron who believed the garbage Farage was spewing deserves everything they get - and it's going to be the complete fucking stupid, brain-dead idiotic total fucking morons who believed the corrupt liars Farage and Alexander "Boris" Johnson and their lying, corrupt, imperialist, arrogant, disgusting, nationalist, vile, bilious, racist, vomit-inducing spew who are going to be most shafted by the results of the sick, disgusting, bullshit Brexit that they themselves voted for. Those selfish, bigoted, brain-dead morons have fucked things up for all of us, but at least we can have the satisfaction that they've fucked things up for themselves most of all.

R424 you really shouldn't type when masturbating.

R418 Labour lost the 2019 election because of Corbyn not Labour's brexit policy, people were happy to vote Labour in 2017 because they hated the 'dementia tax' and didn't think Corbyn would win. There is also evidence to back this up, a survey of Labour-Tory switchers all said Corbyn was a bigger reason than brexit.

Also Britain had record employment throughout that period. Furthermore the areas with the highest leave vote tended to be a lot of the places with the fewest immigrants, like Lincolnshire.

Although immigration was an issue in 2016 it also happened at the same point the migrant crisis in Europe was at its worst. Just bashing immigrants wouldn't have won it for them if that was not going on at the same time. Blame that pig F***ing twat Cameron for the timing

The police investigation is a delaying tactic, as Downing St will not at least the Sue Gray report until the police investigation is complete.

This gives Johnson two possible ways out. Firstly, if the police refuse to issue fines or prosecute, he will declare the matter closed. Secondly, he is hoping that the public will simply lose interest if the matter drags on too long, especially if we end up in conflict with Russia over Ukraine.

R427, for the latter point you've brought up (Russia Ukraine conflict and BoJo happily interfering in it):

Wag The Dog, anyone?

R426, Labour lost the 2019 because of Corbyn being a repulsive Jew obsessed Putin loving crank and Corbyn's Brexit policy which, I think, was to renegotiate the Brexit deal with the EU and have a referendum on it during which Corbyn would stay neutral, meaning the majority of MPs in the Labour government would campaign to REJECT Corbyn's deal and stay in the EU, and someone (WHO? Richard Burgon?) would campaign to accept Corbyn's deal.

And it doesn't matter where the Brexit votes came from, free movement of people is unpopular. To return to the EU and the single market the benefits of free movement has to be made. Labour under Corbyn weren't willing to do that and that helped keep some of the seats in 2017 that voted Tory in 2019.

Sorry, BoJo. It's time to go-go.

Now that we've lost our freedom of movement within the EU r429 and Britons can no longer easily live, work and travel in the EU, I suspect that freedom of movement will start to become extremely popular. Even at the last general election (after the referendum but before we'd fully Brexited) a majority in the UK supported freedom of movement.

[quote]Britons can no longer easily live, work and travel in the EU

Seriously, how much harder now for British citizens to have a holiday in Benidorm? What new barriers are in place post Brexit?

How much "less easy" it for someone to go on holiday to Spain? Filling out a form? Standing in a different queue?

Well they will have to pay for a visa and can only stay 3 months. It is already hitting the tattoo-beer-swilling louts that live in Spain and voted for Brexit.

[quote]It is already hitting the tattoo-beer-swilling louts that live in Spain and voted for Brexit.

How odd that The Sun didn't warn its loyal readership of ensuing complications. I cannot for a moment conjure reasons for such an oversight.

It serves them right. They are after all immigrants to Spain. If you tell them that they go fucking mental. So I do.

R432 thinks that Britons only go to Europe for 2-week holidays in the sun.

[quote]How odd that The Sun didn't warn its loyal readership of ensuing complications. I cannot for a moment conjure reasons for such an oversight.

[quote]Well they will have to pay for a visa and can only stay 3 months. It is already hitting the tattoo-beer-swilling louts that live in Spain and voted for Brexit.

From a travel insurance website

[quote]You will not need a visa to travel to Spain after Brexit if you plan on staying for fewer than 90 days, even though Britain left the European Union and its transitional arrangements at the end of 2020. This is because there is a visa-free travel arrangement between the EU and the U.K. for short-stay visits. By the end of 2022, the EU hopes to have its new ETIAS system in place which travelers not requiring a visa will be able to apply through. Before then you will just need your passport.

So British citizens going to Benidorm or Stiges or Gran Canaria or Tenerife on a holiday that lasts less than 12 weeks won't have to pay anything and all they need is their passport. Just like when Britain was in the EU.

Dierdre Chambers, what an inconvenience!

Personally I'd still prefer freedom of movement, I live in a city that has benefitted massively from immigration from Europe, Africa and Asia, but the scare stories being being hugely inconvenienced won't have an impact on most British people. YOU HAVE TO JOIN A DIFFERENT QUEUE AT THE AIRPORT!!!! Oh my god, where are my pearls to clutch!

[quote]R432 thinks that Britons only go to Europe for 2-week holidays in the sun.

No, I think that *most* British people who voted to Leave only go on holidays in the sun.

If your argument to change people's minds and make them regret Brexit is that they're mildly inconvenienced by queuing at an airport then you might want to change your tactics.

Anyway, back to Boris, journalists in "the know" are now briefing that the Sue Grey report will be released TONIGHT!!!

And to think Sky chose tonight to launch The Gilded Age.

The new ETIAS system will be like the system in the USA, where you have to pay -even if it is a toke amount - for what is a visa waiver programme. That is still an extra inconvenience on top of roaming charges and not to mention the absolute nightmare for touring, employment - try being an English language teacher in the EU at the moment - , exchange programmes and anything that involves trying to work in multiple countries.

The idea that brexit is a mere minor inconvenience is a nonsense and brexiters will realise it soon enough. I still await one single benefit.

The fact is no one properly explained that brexit was not a simple case of leaving, keeping the benefits and losing all the problems, it involved difficult trade-offs and claims by the Leave lobby that turn out to be mutually contradictory. I am surprised it has not collapsed under the weight of its own contradictions yet, but then people can be very blind if they don't want to think they were wrong.

Even our 'sovereignty' is entirely illusory. Yes we have won a 'right' to diverge from EU rules and standards but then every time we do it creates bottlenecks and problems for exporters, who will then demand we keep the same standards. Meaning we will be in the ludicrous state of mirroring EU laws and rules we have no say over for decades.

Has the fuckwit resigned yet?

For the time being, everything bad can be blamed on Covid. Once Covid won't be a major issue, people in the UK will realise that quite a few of these problems in fact result from the UK having left the EU.

Dominic Raab, the deputy prime minister, just interviewed and asked explicitly about succession arrangements should Boris Johnson resign.

It's not just being discussed, it's being anticipated.

According to Robert Peston the report will say that it is up to Conservative MPs to decide whether to remove Bojo, basically an open invitation to do so.

How shocking, one set of rules for Slimy and one for everyone else.

[quote]...it is up to Conservative MPs to decide whether to remove Bojo, basically an open invitation to do so.

He'll be the very definition of Not Going Quietly. Every last ounce of shamelessness and booming rhetorical talent will be deployed to remain at No.10. A big part of him will relish the challenge.

OMG Sue Gray has been given PHOTOS of Boris at parties in Downing Street.

PHOTOS!

PHOTOS OF PARTIES!!

PHOTOS OF BORIS AT PARTIES!!!

PHOTOS OF BORIS AT PARTIES AT DOWNING STREET!!!!

PHOTOS OF BORIS AT PARTIES AT DOWNING STREET WITH WINE BOTTLES!!!!

Given how unpopular Boris is in Scotland, this could be an extra-special Burns Night!

Happy Burns night, Kit. Are you eating haggis this evening?

^ nah, haggis make me retch! Did have some neeps and tatties, though.

So at midday tomorrow there are Prime Minister's Questions and then at 3pm the report will be published and BJ will take questions in the House Of Commons.

Squeaky bum time!

There isn't anyone he'd rather face less than the former Director of Public Prosecutions Sir Keir Starmer.

Oh, the journalist who tweeted that has now deleted it!

Johnson cannot show his face in Scotland without a helicopter in waiting He is utterly hated.

Done in by parties, gee.

R453 Scots are ornery no matter what. Believe me, I was born and raised by one.

R455, Johnson is as bad as Trump in his corrupt misuse of his position. Nothing to do with Scottish people being “ornery”.

No one forced PoC to move to White European countries, R82, nor should White European countries centre PoC when the White population have paid taxes and fought in wars for centuries.

Should you ever open a history book, you'll find the vast majority of empires and dynasties, all of which engaged in slavery and warfare, and committed genocides and atrocities, throughout the entire course of history were by people of colour. Yet it is White people, as well as Jewish people, who are singled out and vilified.

Has UK Guy taken his meds?

Sad cunt.

R457 has never heard of the Romans or the Atlantic slave trade.

[quote][R455], Johnson is as bad as Trump in his corrupt misuse of his position. Nothing to do with Scottish people being “ornery”.

The Scottish people who think their shit don't stink are hilarious. Scotland is one of the most corrupt places in the UK. Sectarianism and nationalism run rife and people will turn a blind eye based on what tribe they're in. The ruling party is waist deep in financial and sex scandals but people will defend their clan no matter what.

[QUOTE] Should you ever open a history book, you'll find the vast majority of empires and dynasties, all of which engaged in slavery and warfare, and committed genocides and atrocities, throughout the entire course of history were by people of colour.

Fuck off, Klan Granny.

The British Empire, taking in Africa, India, US, Canada and Australia - run by white people

Alexander the Great's empire - run by white Europeans

[QUOTE] There isn't anyone he'd rather face less than the former Director of Public Prosecutions Sir Keir Starmer.

He is formidable.

[QUOTE] throughout that period. Furthermore the areas with the highest leave vote tended to be a lot of the places with the fewest immigrants, like Lincolnshire.

You jest, surely? Lincolnshire towns like Boston have been deluged with Polish migrants. Boston used to be the sleepiest place and now the crime rates are sky high and there are murders every year.

R438, you don't get it. I am not trying to come up with arguments to convince the utter fucking morons who voted for Brexit to change their stupid, pea-brained minds. I do not give a flying fuck about those racist morons. They are already suffering from the repercussions of Brexit and the damage will become even clearer once the unusual situation of the pandemic has passed. What I pointed out is that all Britons (aside from those with dual EU citizenship) have lost the right to freedom of movement in the EU, which means the right to live and work in the EU. It's not just about holidays, even though for many the feeling of being treated as a different, excluded class with fewer rights than our fellow Europeans in our own neighbourhood at the airport is not just an inconvenience, it's emotionally upsetting and a violation of identity. It's about the fact that - thanks to the stupid Brexit-voting morons - we no longer have the right to live and work in the EU and have lost a whole range of other rights in the EU too.

Lol at the irony of the very same people who claim that freedom of movement for EU citizens in the UK is such a huge, negative thing that we had to do something as momentous and damaging as leave the EU for it while trying to make it seem to be a teeny tiny thing of no consequence and losing it is no big deal for Britons in the EU.

In the latest update from Clown Island, the Sue Gray report is apparently beiing delivered today to the person under investigation (the PM) who will then be able to decide which sections of it get published.

It's very rare for a memorable comment or statement to come from a Liberal Democrat, and Orkney and Shetland MP Alistair Carmichael has all the wit and charisma of a bag of cabbage, but I did like his quote this morning - that Boris Johnson should be put on gardening leave, since he enjoys spending time in the garden.

"Clown Island" - hahahaha, love it

[quote]Brits are so fucking dumb. How is this any different from all the other times he fucked up. This is no different. Brits are fucking flaky.

Excuse me? Are you AMERICAN?

I guess you think senile Joe is MIGHTY! and Kamala is...all sorts of wonderful things (especially how powerfully she's been dealing with the border). FABULOUS!

You ain't fooling nobody!

Has the tosser submitted his letter of resignation yet?

There are a few Americans on here who pile in with anti-British sentiments at every opportunity. We can criticise our leaders ourselves if they deserve it. It’s not for someone with no knowledge of the situation to comment.

As if Brits have nothing to say about American politics. They’re constantly offering snide commentary.

American here, and as one who has not been piling on with any anti-UK sentiment but hates BoJo and enjoying where (I hope) this leads for him, I just want to say fuck off to R467 and her cunty and false comment about Biden. You sound like a MAGAt, and that's nothing to crow about.

Can we leave American politics out of it, and stick to what the thread is about, ok, Marys?

If he goes before accession day on the 6th of February, I wonder if HM The Queen will be forced to return to London (she's at Sandringham in Norfolk) to accept his resignation?

Boris can go to her. Or they Zoom it - I imagine she'd be delighted not to be in the same room as him.

Front page on Drudge today. Pressure is heating up.

That is funny r465. What about Peppa Pig leave? Since, forgive me, Bojo screwed up so much, at his last speech. Forgive me.

Those "last dying gasps" of Bojo in QP or QT will be interesting as he fights for his life, r446. But as others have commented, he has the look of defeat about him. Imagine the sheer energy he must summon to stand up and defend himself in the House. He's early 50s? Mid 50s now? Overweight. Stessed Out. New kid. Broke - even to be complaining about it 24/7. Almost jobless. A National (and International) Joke.

He's gotta be runnin' out of steam soon.

[quote]I just want to say fuck off to [R467] and her cunty and false comment about Biden. You sound like a MAGAt, and that's nothing to crow about.

i don't even know what a Magat is, you cunt.

when Joe expires (any day now by the look of things) you'll have fantastic KAMALA to take the reins - so no need to be so frightened and angry anymore.

anyway back to sneering at England - deluding yourself that you're superior.

[quote]Can we leave American politics out of it, and stick to what the thread is about, ok, Marys?

because you're not hearing what you want about America and that senile old great grandpa even you can no longer pretend has been a success.

[quote]anyway back to sneering at England - deluding yourself that you're superior.

After the Trump years when people from across the globe were howling at Americans I have no problem with Americans laughing at how embarrassing Boris Johnson is, and what a shameless liar he is. Because that's what he is. An embarrassing shameless liar. He's still got a long way to go to outcunt Trump but he's making an effort.

Hooray, a troll @ R477. FFed and blocked.

I'm going against the conventional thinking here but I predict that they won't get rid of him this round. Mostly because they don't have someone obvious to replace him with who has his kind of election-winning campaigning ability, and because everyone already knows that he lied, so why aren't the 54 letters in already? You don't need the result of investigations for that - and if you keep waiting, you increase the chances of the scandal being replaced by a new focus. Then you need something like 180 for him to lose a confidence vote, which is a lot more than 54.

I think that if there's a local elections rout, that'll be the next pressure point but even so I have my doubts they'll pull the trigger. Maybe closer to the time of the next election if the polling hasn't improved.

Will Bojo resign? Maybe, but so far he's been shameless, and I think he'd consider that to be a bad look for his legacy.

[quote]Hooray, a troll @ [R477]. FFed and blocked.

everyone's a "troll" on here these days. It's pathetic and you're a clone.

[quote]FFed and blocked.

Who gives a shit?

R479 You have to click the buttons, it doesn't work if you just type it.

Yes, R477 isjust a smelly old gashy troll. Bye, cunt. Blocked.

It's now been confirmed that Boris Johnson lied about arranging the evacuation from Afghanistan of a former Army man and the dogs he had rescued.

Interpreters and their families who had helped the armed forces, women in fear of the Taliban desperate to be airlifted out were made to stay while dogs were prioritised.

They left Kabul airport a day after the bombing that led US soldiers dead.

[quote]Trudy Harrison, PM's PPS, contacted a private charter company on 25 Aug 21 (same date as FCO letter) to secure plane to evacuate animals and staff for Nowzad. A private sponsor funded, but she made clear her role with PM and told staff he was keen to get animals out quickly. Source at the company said Harrison was keen to get press on the plane to watch animals being evacuated to turn it into a good news story. They added she repeatedly talked about "the boss" and they felt it was obvious her requests came with his backing.

So many lies you can watch the Kathy Bates American Horror Story gif on repeat.

R484 Knowing the British public, a lot of them will be happy that a bunch of dogs instead of people were evacuated.

Johnson says that he won't resign so it will have to be the Tory MPs to get in 54 letters and then 180 of them to vote against him in a confidence vote. Even Theresa May won a confidence vote so I think that's going to be a high bar to clear.

R485 it wasn’t a choice between dogs or people. The animals were in a cargo hold. People cannot travel in cargo holds.

R487 Wrong, people can travel in cargo holds. There were pictures of absolutely packed planes with people. Not sitting on seats, just packed with as many people the plane could hold.

Here you go, a picture of one of the packed planes.

R472, he can resign in a Zoom meeting with the Queen. That would be the modern way to do it.

Can everyone who talks about Britain and the US just stop? This thread is about Boris and his dreadful behaviour

[quote] The Tories are in power because the Labour Party was a shit show. A lot of Tories think they're in the same position and underestimate Starmer.

You must be joking. Starmer is DOA. He’s a clown to both his party and the public. He is hated beyond belief.

R492 Starmer isn't 'hated beyond belief' wtf are you talking about? If anything he's a dull, plodding leader who barely musters much strong emotion. He won his election commandingly - it's only hardcore Corbynistas who 'hate' him.

R490 Bojo has to see HM The Queen in person to return The Seals of Office, apparently Anthony Eden traveled to Sandringham to do that in 1957. The PM has to travel to HM not the other way round.

I'm still mourning the death of a visibly deceased Dusty Springfield laying atop his head after having been crushed by the fall of a grand piano launched out of a 73rd floor condominium. :(

R493 I'd agree Starmer doesn't generate huge amounts of public emotion/passion, he's boring.

Maybe what the UK needs now though, a level honest man?

r496 I mean post Thatcher the way to win a UK election was to present yourself as a relatively stable centrist. That worked from Major to Cameron. I genuinely don't know if that would work anymore though. ""Normal"" politics has died a complete death in the last 5 years.

Politics always ends up back in the centre in the UK (our centre not US right wing middle).

Bojo is on the left of the Tory Party really, his Brexit shite was about positioning himself as a future leader.

He didn't want to win the leave vote and he's too reckless/fickle to lead a Government.

The fucker's still in office, I see.

[quote] Starmer isn't 'hated beyond belief' wtf are you talking about?

You truly have no idea what is going on. Continue sporting your clown as your party continues to lose elections.

R498 is adorable.

BoJo compared homosexuality to beastiality.

He’s not going anywhere. He’s the British Trump and this is his “I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue” moment. His minions are already gaslighting us into believing that no-one is really bothered by his constant lies, rule-breaking and contempt for the public.

If they succeed, it will represent a huge degradation of the standards to be expected of public servants. I think they will: they will save his job at the expense of increased cynicism and a general feeling that politicians are to be treated with contempt. What a world we live in!

I didn't know BoJo aka R500 also keeps posting in here.

Well, he'll have plenty of time to do so once he will have resigned at last.

R500 I don't vote Labour (nor Tory) so I think I'm not particularly biased here. But you're hilariously off if you think Starmer is 'hated beyond belief' or seen as a 'clown'. His approval ratings are fair, if not inspiring at all. I don't think he has charisma but I don't think he's hated beyond belief either. I see him as more like a Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband figure. My opinion is that he needs to get lucky and be up against an uninspiring Tory leader like a Hague/Duncan Smith to be able to win a general election.

Boris only ended up as PM because Cameron and May looked at where they were, thought, oh, fuck, and checked out. There may literally be no one acceptable to Tory leadership right now who's willing to step into this nightmarish situation.

[quote]But you're hilariously off if you think Starmer is 'hated beyond belief' or seen as a 'clown'. His approval ratings are fair, if not inspiring at all. I don't think he has charisma but I don't think he's hated beyond belief either. I see him as more like a Gordon Brown or Ed Miliband figure

Comparing Gordon Brown to the lesser Miliband? The only reason some people think of Ed Miliband in a favourable light is 1. David Cameron and 2. Jeremy Corbyn. If either of those arseholes weren't still fresh in people's memories they'd rightly view Miliband as the Labour version of Iain Duncan Smith.

It was interesting seeing the Tory attack lines on Starmer after yesterday's PMQs. The Tories went on how he voted 48 times against Brexit, although seeing how Starmer has accepted Brexit, much to the annoyance of some, I'm not sure it will cut through. The "Lawyer not a leader" attack was very strange as a lot or Tory voters will approve of the Starmer back story.

Miliband was an awful politician - the Ed Stone, the Russell Brand interview, the "yeah I'm tough enough" interview were all testimony to that. His supporters think it was the photo of the bacon sandwich which turned the public against him, but it was was simply that he stood against his far more competent brother and only won the leadership on union votes, having done a deal with McClusky.

He never got over the "stabbed his brother in the back" characterisation, however unfair it was. And I really don't think Boris Johnson will get over the Downing Street party characterisation.

'e 's still in office, oi!

I have no idea what a "Klan Granny" is, R461, but what's your point? PoC have had the most empires and dynasties. That is a historical fact. They all committed genocides and atrocities, they all indulged in slavery too. Do you think the Mongolians, the Egyptians, the Romans. The Ottomans, et al., were White or British?

Your inability to debate without resorting to verbal abuse is rather telling..

R509, fyi, R461 is DL's resident Meghan Markle fanfish with her twenty sock puppet accounts trying to make the term "klan granny" happen.

"klan granny" = everybody who doesn't adore Meghan Markle

Just put that loon on ignore.

What R510 said.

I forgot to add that the Markle fancunt constantly brings up race, regardless of the thread's topic. Deluded. Just like her heroine. Again, put the weirdo on ignore, she's not worth a reply.

So true.

In reply to R461, Alexander the Great's empire (which only lasted for barely a decade before his death) was not run by "white Europeans." He deliberately pursued a policy of getting his Macedonian officers to high-ranking women of the conquered areas in order to create a mixed-ethnic ruling class, and continued to rely on native officers and bureaucracies in the former Persian empire as well as in Egypt. He himself married a Sogdian princess, and if he'd lived, their son would presumably have inherited the empire—which fell apart on his death. By far the greatest part of Alexander's empire was taken over by Seleucus, whose descendants by his Sogdian wife ruled for the next couple of centuries.

* to MARRY high-ranking women *

R514, don't expect the Sussex Squad stinkfish to know anything about that.

Another day goes by, another day that Johnson is still in his job. Tory MPs seem to be waiting for the publication of Gray's report (rumoured to be Monday). If the letters don't go in then, they'll be waiting to see the result of the police investigation (rumoured to be as much as months, which is ridiculous in itself).

[quote]His minions are already gaslighting us into believing that no-one is really bothered by his constant lies, rule-breaking and contempt for the public.

Won't happen. Too much justified white-hot anger expressed by bereaved relatives who couldn't say goodbye properly to loved ones. The NHS going above and beyond. This comes out over and again in phone-ins and in Parliament. The Queen alone at her husband's funeral the day after parties at No.10. Try spinning that one. An image for the ages.

As against that, Boris was infuriatingly buoyant at PMQs this week. He even began his routine formal announcements with a wry chuckle, not the mood of a man who feared an imminent report, let alone another brutal public grilling. But however he might escape yet again to fight an another election - 50/50 at best - a big section of the public will hate him forever, and vote accordingly.

Starmer may be many things, but he is not honest. He quite deliberately lied and lied and lied again to win the Labour leadership election of 2020, making promises which he has now abandoned not two years afterwards, including support for a £15/hour minimum wage and support for renationalisation of water, electricity and rail.

That said, it's a measure of how badly BoJo has shat the bed that I can actually see Starmer becoming PM now. But, if he does, he will be unable to halt the advanced state of decay now setting into Clown Island, and Scottish independence (now at 50% in the polls) might even happen on his watch. There is nothing in his locker to prevent that.

I still think either the full report will leak (Number 10 with all of those officials about to lose their jobs?). Or Cummings will throw a grenade or two exposing some of the more damaging parts of the report anyway. Bojo is not out of the woods.

Nothing was ever going to happen until after the report was issued, so all this 'why is he still here' stuff in pointless. He's damaged goods now, whatever happens and his poll ratings won't improve. If he chops his staff, it will be correctly seen as scapegoating and deflection. The public perception of him is as a coward and compulsive liar who couldn't run a whelk stall. People have always overestimated his popularity anyway - his polling has always shown him as incredibly divisive. He's been lucky with his opponents - the staying too long Ken Livingston, hapless Theresa Mat, hopeless Corbyn - all past it or never-wheres. If he clings on now he'll go after the May elections, which would actually give the Tories less time to reconstruct themselves and for their new leader settle in before the next election.

[quote] who couldn't run a whelk stall

This is the most English thing I've ever read.

Chance would be a fine thing!

Now I’ve got a hankering for whelks.

What is BoJo saying about the Ukraine? He is no Churchill.

'Couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery' is the 'whelk stall' alternative.

“Couldn’t score a root in a brothel”.

Labour needs another Tony Blair - how he was in the late 90s. Mid 40s, nice looking, big blue eyes and good hair. Oxford educated lawyer who knew how to charm the Tories but had the intellectual rigour for government. The Brits love a theatrical type especially when it comes to debate and public speaking. Boris was a beloved Major of London because he had a sense of theatre.

Edit- mayor of London

Boris was never a "beloved" mayor of London, r528.

'Boris was never a "beloved" mayor of London, [R528].'

Yes he was. He was so popular that he was a Tory mayor serving during a Labour government. Who could forget the sight of him out during the London riots rallying the masses with his giant dustpan and brush? Most of the cabinet didn't even bother coming back to London until they were forced to.

No R531, except that he rolled back the so-called Congestion Charge. As the broke mayor of London, he used to dress himself from Lost Property from London Underground. He is seriously broke. He could scarcely make ends meet when before he became prime minister with all his children (7 or something, only he knows for sure), so he wore lost/abandoned suits. Such a shit. Does he dye his hair? He is a guy of Ottoman descent born in NYC: what did you expect?

Boris is very much in line with the celebrity clowns that right wingers in the US love to put into high office, to demonstrate their contempt for government and mock the earnestness of the left. The problem is that while Ronald Reagan or Arnold Schwarzenegger or Donald Trump or Bojo might seem like harmless fun when times are good, they're worse than useless when things get serious and genuine governmental competence is needed.

Ronald Reagan was a great president.

Schwarzenegger wasn't useless either.

Is he really broke or a cheap fuck who pretends to be? I've heard conflicting reports.

Reagan bankrupted the country, both ethically and literally; Schwarzenegger was not an extremist but he was useless for CA. Funny how governing actually requires governing.

He wasn't "popular" r531, he only won as a Tory because the repugnant Ken Livingstone was the Labour candidate, and he's such a hard-left, anti-semitic lunatic that he was forced out of even Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party.

Do people really strip off and leave full suits on the Underground?

R539 sometimes they are carrying dry cleaning or after you've been to the gym they're in a sports bag

Arguably Boris is Ken Livingston's fault. If Livingston hadn't insisted on running again after Boris's first term as mayor, Boris would have lost (all the Labour alternatives except Ken polled better than him . Johnson would have been a failed one-term mayor with no safe seat to jump to.

But then, R541, isn't it also the Labour voters' fault?

[quote]Arguably Boris is Ken Livingston's fault. If Livingston hadn't insisted on running again after Boris's first term as mayor, Boris would have lost (all the Labour alternatives except Ken polled better than him . Johnson would have been a failed one-term mayor with no safe seat to jump to.

Boris Johnson has only beaten antisemitic pensioners in elections.

In the 2008 London election his history of long standing offensive comments about gays, women, black people etc were brought up. And his response was "well what about Livingstone?" based on multiple events, not least this from 2005/2006

[quote]Ken Livingstone says he has no intention of apologising to the Evening Standard reporter he likened to a "concentration camp guard" because journalists who work for the Daily Mail group do not deserve "respect". Just a day after clashing with Oliver Finegold outside a London party for MP Chris Smith, Mr Livingstone launched a second attack on the newspaper group, effectively maligning everyone who worked there.

[quote]The London Mayor Ken Livingstone has been suspended for four weeks after being found guilty of bringing his office into disrepute by comparing a Jewish reporter to a concentration camp guard. A disciplinary tribunal said he had been "unnecessarily insensitive and offensive" when approached by a journalist from London's Evening Standard after a party at City Hall last February.

Boris Johnson has never faced a credible and decent opponent. Labour had hopes of winning the Uxbridge seat in 2019 - Owen Jones lead Momentum's "Unseat" campaign and Hugh Grant urged Lib Dems to vote Labour in the constituency. Unfortunately and unsurprisingly Labour's candidate was also an antisemite and Boris Johnson increased his majority.

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As I recall Boris had to hand back his generous advance for writing (or dictating) a Shakespeare biography, because he stumbled into being Tory leader.

He's always news, so scribbling will serve him well when the Tories let him go. Whichever genre he turns to, it will be regarded strictly as fiction.

I trust his Shakespeare biography would have cut a little deeper than his "Classicist" credentials, which basically amount to an ability to parrot generalizations about the ancient Greeks and rattle off the first lines of the *Iliad* at the drop of a hat.

R545 is one of those naive people who believe that Boris actually does his own "scribbling".

Boris is always broke, multiple ex-wives and kids and always living on income, in however grand a way that seems to ordinary people, it isn't really rich. Other Tory politicians like Theresa May, Philip Hammond and Rishi Sunak are genuinely rich (or married rich) and he wants to be like them. He doesn't really want to be PM, but to be an ex-PM, so he can join the big boys' gravy train like Blair and Cameron. However, crashing out a total failure after a couple of years will put a big dent in that plan.

[quote]multiple ex-wives and kids and always living on income, in however grand a way that seems to ordinary people

He's got 2 ex wives and has fathered children with 3 different women, if you don't count the multiple abortions he's responsible for. Any other children he's fathered would be public knowledge by now.

Ordinary people wouldn't call having kids by multiple partners grand, they'd call it common, and something you'd expect on a council estate or from a celebrity like Liam Gallagher or Kate Winslet or fellow Jonsson Ulrika.

[quote]He doesn't really want to be PM, but to be an ex-PM, so he can join the big boys' gravy train like Blair and Cameron.

And this is total bullshit. He desperately wants to be PM. He's wanted it his entire life. He didn't become an MP in his mid 30s and London Mayor in his 40s by chance. It was all part of a plan. And how he's in the job he hates it and knows he's rubbish at it, but quitting would be a humiliation.

Imagine this fuckwit to become Sir Boris Johnson one day only because of having been PM. Ugh.

Every PM until 1997 was offered a Peerage when they left office (notable for rejecting the offer Winston Churchill and Edward Heath). The reason for Tony Blair's recent offer of a 'Sir' is so that John Major can be elevated to The House of Lords.

Sir John Major is already a Knight of The Garter though.

So, between being a Sir or a Lord - which is the "grandest" title, r551 to have? I am guessing politicians end up as Lords more often than not?

Lord covers all of the upper ranks of the UK Peerage, which are in descending order Duke, Marquess, Earl , Viscount, and Baron..

'Sir' isn't a rank, it's a formal honorific. A lot of former MP's sit in The House of Lords after they retire. Their Peerages usually cannot be inherited as Life Peerages rank only as barons or baronesses.

Churchill was offered an Earldom and a Dukedom (which would have been hereditary) and refused both.

When asked why he went into politics Johnson said something to the effect that nobody puts up statues for journalists (he was originally a journalist and then editor of The Spectator). He wants fame and legacy. He wrote a book about Churchill. Resigning over breaking the rules about a party only 2 years into his PMship would be humiliating for him so we're stuck with him until the Tory MPs grow a pair of balls.

[quote] The reason for Tony Blair's recent offer of a 'Sir' is so that John Major can be elevated to The House of Lords.

B/s. Every former prime minister and every former cabinet minister is entitled to become a member of the HoL at their request. John Major and Tony B'liar don't want it. Harold Macmillan didn't want it but he eventually took the hereditary title of Earl of Stockton to please his son.

R555 Former PMs are not 'entitled' to anything to do with the HoL and it's most certainly not something that they just have to 'request'.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read on DL.

The longer he hangs on, the more he helps to make democracy look like a mockery and helps the eastern powers.

He needs to restore integrity to the office and to 10 downing.

[quote] He needs to restore integrity to the office and to 10 downing.

He can't do that. Incapable.

If they kick out Boris, who's the favorite to be PM?

a couple parties. We have had the Republican Party acting on the "the rules do NOT apply to us" M.O. for a decade with hundreds of actions a year.

Whether an ex prime minister is given a life peerage that will entitle them to sit in the House of Lords is entirely at the discretion of the next prime minister.

He's really managed to hang on. His rivals must be dragging this out until one of them gains a clear majority of support.

The Times yesterday quoted cabinet ministers saying that they think he's out of the danger zone now and I agree with them - the time to strike was when outrage was highest and now whatever the report/police investigation says, it won't be anything we don't pretty much already know.

As for rivals, betting odds think in this order: Sunak, Truss, Tugendhat, Hunt, Mordaunt, Javid, but they've often been wrong of course.

Carrie Antoinette springs to mind.

[quote]So, between being a Sir or a Lord - which is the "grandest" title

A Garter Knighthood (finally bestowed upon Blair) is grander than a Life Peerage. There are only 24 members, and the honour is solely in the gift of The Queen. There's a grand procession every year in which Garter Knights wear their full plumage.

There are currently four vacancies, which means there's nobody deemed distinguished enough to add to the hallowed order. It's not as though worthy time-servers would be brought in to make up the numbers, as in The Lords.

[quote]Every former prime minister and every former cabinet minister is entitled to become a member of the HoL at their request.

My god I laughed so much at this I've just had to wipe coffee off my laptop.

Now imagining former cabinet minister Esther McVey *demanding* to be made Baroness McVey of GMTV.

It's still hilarious how furious John Bercow is that he didn't get his automatic peerage because of his horrendous bullying of his staff. His income is now limited so he's filming Cameo calls for £62 a pop.

lol, if this idiot doesn't resign now, he'll be the perfect scapegoat for the Tories when they will fail ignominiously in the next election.

What a plonker he is.

[quote] There are currently four vacancies, which means there's nobody deemed distinguished enough to add to the hallowed order.

Someone should start a thread recommending apppointments for Garter Knighthoods; surely those in authority just aren't using their imaginations.

As long as they never, ever give David Beckham one, I'll be happy.

Okay, Victoria, then.

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Weird. Anyway the bit above that got cut out was me saying that BORIS JOHNSON thinks that having kids with multiple partners is common, and that in lieu of the Spectator column where he wrote this shit you can read about it in the Indie.

As the Tories plot for their prospective new leader, Labour is showing it has a future leader in Wes Streeting.

He comes across as genuine and unlike many on the left don't think the working classes/common people need to be saved from themselves. His considered and quietly scathing put down of cabinet colleague David Lammy is really quite something.

[quote]Does he believe in biological sex? “Yes, of course,” he says. Does he think it’s helpful for his colleague David Lammy to accuse women with concerns in this area of being “dinosaurs” who were “hoarding” their rights? For a moment, he is silent. Then he says: “One of the things that men have always underestimated is the sense in which women have felt like they’re being told to be quiet, which is why in this context it is incendiary.” Since he spoke to Robinson, he says, he has been pleased to find that some of his female parliamentary colleagues have felt able to come and talk to him about their concerns.

R568, The only current member who has achieved anything other than being a member of the Establishment is Mary Peters. She is an Olympic champion pentathlete, and over the decades has used her influence to gain funding and access to sport for young people in Northern Ireland. She is widely admired and respected. That is the kind of person I would like to see honoured. Not just retired politicians and soldiers.

R551, I'm unclear why you said Churchill refused a knighthood. He was definitely Sir Winston Churchill, so he was knighted.

R575, the poster did not say that Churchill refused a knighhtood - he said that Churchill refused a peerage.

R575, the poster did not say that Churchill refused a knighthood - he said that Churchill refused a peerage.

[quote]R551, I'm unclear why you said Churchill refused a knighthood. He was definitely Sir Winston Churchill, so he was knighted.

You've misread R551. He said that Churchill refused a PEERAGE (LORD) not a KNIGHTHOOD (SIR).

And the reason SIR Edward Heath refused a peerage was because it would have meant he had to give up his seat in the House Of Commons. He eventually stood down in 2001, 4 years before his death.

Lol, posted twice. Crappy DL website.

R577, you don't need to be a bitch about it. It's not like all non-Brits know the difference between a peerage and a knighthood.

And then R577/R579 blames DL for her stupidity.

R581, stupid is not knowing the difference between a knighthood and a peerage but pompously telling someone who's right that they're wrong and then blaming your ignorance on the fact that you're an American. If you don't know, then shut up.

Aw, R582, don't be upset because you're a fuckup. Why don't you wash that sand out of your vadge, cunty?

Not bullshit, 549. He obviously has to be PM before he's an ex-PM, able to, in his mind, monetise it properly. He regularly complains about his salary as PM. He certainly doesn't want to do the job of PM - one of his colleagues said the whips would never pick him out to be a junior minister as he's far too lazy. He doesn't want power as such, as he's incapable of putting the necessary work in. He want the prestige and the money. Crashing out a failure (now, after the May elections or after a devastating general election defeat)will serious inhibit this, of course.

I'm American and I know the difference between a knighthood and a peerage.

Good for you, R585. But it's pretty much useless knowledge.

[quote]R577, you don't need to be a bitch about it. It's not like all non-Brits know the difference between a peerage and a knighthood.

So a quick explainer.

A knighthood/damehood is given to someone who has achieved greatness in their field - Dame Helen Mirren. Dame Shirley Bassey, Sir Elton John, Sir Bradley Wiggins, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Dame Darcey Bussell, Dame Zaha Hadid.

A peerage/lordship is given to someone who then sits in the House Of Lords, a chamber of unelected peers who have the title Lord or Lady/Baroness. The peerages last for a lifetime and give them the right to vote on legislation. Peerages are given tor politicians who stand down from the House of Commons or lose their seat in an election, political appointments by parties or "crossbench" peers nominated because of their expertise.

Examples of political appointments are Andrew Lloyd Webber (given a peerage by the Conservatives) and Shami Chakrabarti (given a peerage by Jeremy Corbyn for her "independent" report into antisemitism). Crossbench peerages include Tanni Grey Thompson, the Paralympic champion, Norman Foster, the architect, and Ilora Finlay, a renowned doctor.

Thanks, R587. That's very helpful and you weren't a bitch about it. Much appreciated.

R587 You forgot Sir Jimmy Savile.

He’s got hours left on his career. Bye.

Dame Edna.

[quote]Not bullshit, 549. He obviously has to be PM before he's an ex-PM, able to, in his mind, monetise it properly. He regularly complains about his salary as PM. He certainly doesn't want to do the job of PM - one of his colleagues said the whips would never pick him out to be a junior minister as he's far too lazy. He doesn't want power as such, as he's incapable of putting the necessary work in. He want the prestige and the money. Crashing out a failure (now, after the May elections or after a devastating general election defeat)will serious inhibit this, of course.

Are you high Clairee?

Yes Boris Johnson is lazy, lacks attention to detail and likes to delegate. But he's also ambitious, entitled and vainglorious. He also desperately wants to be Prime Minister because the job is literally being the fucking Prime Minister. He's wholly unsuited to the job but he's not there because it's a stepping stone to more cash, he's there because he wants the power.

I always saw BoJo as the clown version of Trump. As an American I was mortified when Trump was elected. Then the UK pretty much did the same thing and I didn't feel quite so mortified.

[quote]The only current member who has achieved anything other than being a member of the Establishment is Mary Peters.

True, but John Major deserves a mention for starting so far outside the Establishment. Born in a Brixton bedsit as the son of an often unemployed circus performer, his rise to No.10 and the Garter is notable. Perhaps unprecedented. One of the saner Tories, he's in his way the antithesis of Johnson, and understandably hates him.

While Major is one of the saner Tories, the fact his disasterous premiership is looked back on as anything other than a quagmire is testament to the shite that followed.

John Major did that dumb 'Back to Basics' morality campaign while fully knowing that he himself had had a four-year extra-marital relationship with a fellow MP, a Currie, not to mention the countless other Tory MPs who were doing various amoral things themselves.

* a Currie, not 'a currie', sorry!

Oh, okay, it seems like there is some kind of DL censoring of E.d.w.i.n. OK. OK.

[quote]he himself had had a four-year extra-marital relationship with a fellow MP

Ha, amateur!

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