My Date Turned Out to Be a “Patriot” Riding the “Red Wave”

Dump him.

If you only want sex I say go for it but if you want a relationship it will not work because like you said his values are so different. Punch and delete my friend.

This will end in tears

That’s exactly how I feel R2. I can’t believe some friends said to try it anyway and to stop being so picky.

How big was his cock, though? Maybe let him hate fuck you if he's packing, OP. If he's tinymeat and a conservative, run the other way as fast as possible.

Just use him for hate sex.

R5, I never got that far. I had not even seen him shirtless.

You two would be arguing left and right unfortunately. You might haul off and hit him… lol 😂

Have you considered a nice Asian?

My love life could generously be described as a disaster and I would've excused myself and left. I'm not that desperate.

Was he vaxxed?

If this is a real occurrence, OP, and not an EST, then I don't know how you even made it through dinner. All seriousness, I would have left. Intellectually, I hate that I would have left but I know me, and I would've. I just can't deal with conservatives, not these days. I can't imagine being intimate with someone who supported Trump. But that's me.

Do you live in a blue state or an area with a lot of right wingers? For some reason conservatives in blue states tend to be even weirder and meaner than their red state counterparts.

R12 About 12 years ago I had a one night stand with one of the most beautiful men I'd ever met. I slept over and in the middle of the night got up to pee. Ended up in his home office. Ann Coulter books and the like EVERYWHERE. The sex was amazing, but yeah...bye.

R13 of course they're weirder and meaner. They're not in a "safe space"

They can't talk about how much they love Tucker Carlson if your dick is in their mouth.

My first partner was republican. I'm liberal.

But it was a different time. We were both moderates, which helped too. In fact, we didn't have one issue RE our political differences in the seven years we were together. We shared the same "life" values, just different political values.

Now? I just couldn't do it. Especially if they used words like "patriot".

R13, I live in a blue state but this guy is from a red state right next door. I really should have asked him before.

The divide has to be bridged at some point OP if we all want to make it. You and he might be Couple Zero. It's gotta start somewhere. Give it a try.

Maybe you should talk to him and fess up, OP. He might be into a FWB thing so long as you don't talk politics, but that will fail because conservatives can't stop talking about their politics for 15 seconds (unless like R16 suggests), so there you have it.

The current definition of "patriot" seems to be someone willing to overthrow the government in favor of fascism.

Ignore EVERYONE and go out with him again if u want to . It used to be that everyone could have their own beliefs ,it wasnt a big deal.

R19 try it yourself

An easy way to check without bringing it up is to check their socials. If they follow cretins like Candace and MTG, RUN LIKE THE WIND!

R22 Agreed, though the prospect of him being well adjusted is slim, especially post-Trump, the Jan 6th insurrection, etc.

There are mild mannered, well-meaning conservatives. I think they happen to be quite scarce in the US.however.

That said, I like to keep an open mind. A conservative who is a moderate as well as an independent certainly would have a chance with me, if I were looking for a partner. Society seems to have strangely devolved that so many feel one has to agree on every hot button topic or opinion. People can still find common ground, disagree on things, and still respect one another. I'm over all of the "you're my instant enemy now that you disagree with x...It's very limited and limiting. Republican is a hard sell nonetheless.

Didn't we just have this thread? Within the last 10 days? What's fucking going ON around here?

Once the 'red wave' comment came out of his mouth, I would've spent the rest of the dinner asking him about his period, just to torment him.

Not worth your time OP. There's plenty of other gay fish in the sea that aren't MAGA wannabes.

Dump him, and while you're at it dump your friends. That is absolutely terrible advice. They aren't looking out for your best interests. At best you need to downgrade the importance you put on their opinions.

The past two years have been a pandemic. You aren't a freak for being celibate and you don't need a man to validate yourself. Stop thinking that way, and don't listen to anyone who does. Never settle just to avoid being alone.

See him just once more. Think "Arsenic and Old Lace".

A gay patriot is a self-loathing crazy person, OP.

Is one hour of dick worth countless hours of hyper-vigilance and active listening?

Are you prepared for strangers attempting to hold you accountable for his asshole behavior?

Does he handle his own money or does he have a "trustee"

Does he have a deep love of spaghettios?

All might be forgiven if he has a big cock and plump ass.

I think you need new friends.

R31 Yes, one mustn't overlook the value of those.

Cut the cord. - Patsy Sone

[quote]Riding the “Red Wave”

FTM transexual

It can work...

A “red wave patriot”? And there is some question about this? You’ve got to be kidding. Drop him. Quickly. Very, very quickly.

Good gawd, just settle.

If he is conservative, and he doesn't really talk a lot about politics I would keep him. But if after he cums inside of you he starts talking about how much he hates AOC, it's not going to work out. Conservative or Liberal, if they love to talk about politics all the time, it is going to get old fast. I dated a Bernie Bro for two months, and we shared the same values and political opinions, but the guy was annoying and obnoxious.

[quote] This will end in tears

Or storming the Capitol.

OP, I think you already know that this red-wave-riding patriot is not for you. Your friends sound like bullshitters as well. If they really knew you and cared about you, they wouldn't be so blase about this.

Move on. I tried this once, it wasn't worth it.

But before you punch and delete him, collect some evidence for the FBI investigation.

This hatred between right and left is going to destroy us.

[quote] For some reason conservatives in blue states tend to be even weirder and meaner than their red state counterparts.

I don't know what you mean.

You have fundamentally different world views; no to mention definitions of reality. Move on.

8.85/10. Well done.

But I was in this situation in real life. It was hard to do on one hand be cause he was so hot and perfect and just extremely sexy but I had to break it off. More like stop it in its early tracks.

The real problem was that he was being up politics so randomly when we were completely on a different topic. I can’t handle it. It makes me sick to see the handsome men be sucked into this crap. To the point of it ruining them.

It’s unnerving.

Moan "I love Obama" as he's fucking you. You'll get the fuck of your life.

R49 That's hilarious. He may wish to try "Pelosi" if he's really looking to get pounded.

It’s the same reality with family. I can only call my mom occasionally because you could be taking about the most obscure subject, yet somehow it comes back to Trump or medical conspiracies. It’s not simply having conservative political ideals and agreeing to disagree, it’s that they can’t help ranting about it and it consumes their being. So I really don’t think you can just agree to disagree, because you are dealing with a political cult member.

If it is more than sex, drop him. Republicants these days are a different breed: more extreme and not reality based. This will have a short shelf life unless you share his political views. Dissent is not an option. Still unconvinced? Ask him about January 6th, MTG, or Cucker Tarlson. His response will be very instructive.

Perhaps try changing your views?

Or at least make a genuine effort to understand where he’s coming from?

[quote] Perhaps try changing your views?

Perhaps, go fuck yourself Trumper.

It depends on how political he is, OP. I think it is fine to date someone with different views. However, if it came up on the FIRST date, then I have a feeling it would always be an issue.

[quote] It depends on how political he is, OP.

"Patriot"

"Red Wave"

How political do you think he is?

It's funny how this guy calls himself a patriot, as if you are not. Patriots don't support overthrowing democracy in favor of a fascist government.

How did politics even come up, and how did you reply?

EST - quite realistic one. Makes me laugh because the boilerplate text is dripping with normcore snark yet you dupes still fell for it. 8/10.

A Red Wave Patriot?

Back away, not today, Disco Lady.

[quote] we shared the same values and political opinions, but the guy was annoying and obnoxious.

Yes. I turns out, being lectured by people uou essentially agree with is just as odious as getting it from ten other side.

[quote] The real problem was that he was bring up politics so randomly when we were completely on a different topic.

I frequent a gaming website, and this is EXACTLY the problem: they NEVER fucking stop!! EVERYTHING is political! EVERY topic must be turned towards ‘the cause.’ It never ends.

[quote] How did politics even come up

Apparently, you didn’t read the thread.

Single, 42 here. I kick myself for not partnering up sooner - I think i let go of a lot of opportunities. Dating is hell right now basically. Pandemic, and a lot of political division. I'm finding it much more appealing to just go it on my own. Not a fan of the apps either.

Punch and delete

It's one of DeTurdo's sock puppets, R54.

OP, make a donation in his name to one (or all) of the following: (1) AOC, (2) Ilhan Omar, or (3) Liz Cheney.

#3, R65. She's putting in the most work and is actually an anti-Trumper.

Nobody wants a woketard.

Thank you for your singular and insignificant contribution to this site, R67. Now go back to whatever right wing slimy hole you crawled out of.

Interesting how conservatives and right wingers generally have little difficulty finding love, creating families and being surrounded by loved ones and those who care; while leftists, generally. are bitter, twisted and alone. furiously masturbating with toys while cursing their political opponents.

Patriotism is evil, shameful disgusting sinful and wrong.

We hate our nation!

Oh, look - R67's sock puppet!

R69 has obviously never heard of incels.

Patriotism is not storming the Capitol to overturn the results of a legitimate election, r70.

SJWs have no problem with real patriotism.

I miss the old DL. The advice would be to date him and report back here on a regular basis. Many OPs did just that, or pretended to. Didn't matter. It made for fun posts unstead of this overserious tedium.

OP needs to at least experience a good fuck, and then he can punch and delete.

R72 Incels are a special case and tend to have very idiosyncratic political positions that make them hard to place on the political spectrum.

[quote]The real problem was that he was bring up politics so randomly when we were completely on a different topic.

Yeah, when they telegraph that there's no "agreeing to disagree" and changing the subject, it's a lost cause.

Enjoy the corona he’ll give you, OP.

BS, r76. As was the lie that liberals have a harder time forming long-lasting relationships.

[quote] Incels are a special case and tend to have very idiosyncratic political positions that make them hard to place on the political spectrum.

Oh, really?

It's liberals that have to invent ridiculous shit like "Friendsgiving: because no one can stand them long term.

You mean the Friends maration on TBS, r81?

R76 That's bullshit. All incels are conservatives. A liberal, feminst incel? Get the fuck out of here.

If I was single (I'm not), and a date even hinted approval of trans, BLM, rad feminism, open borders, CRT...I wouldn't even bother yelling "check". I'd throw cash on the table and spit on the table on the way out.

[quote] open borders

No one

Anywhere

Is

For

Open

Borders

R80 Yes they get lumped into the the alt-right, especially, because they are misogynistic and many times White Supremacists, but most are not really concerned with politics but with sex. And they tend to be ostracized by many on the right, even the alt-right, as losers. The alt-right is big on being alpha males. Crying on your computer about how no one will fuck you, isn't alpha male behavior.

For examples of incel behavior on the left look no further than the BernieBros phenomenon.

R74 that was before republicans turned into deadly deplorables. Who needs it? They are sick. It’s no different than Jonestown. They are zombies now. These aren’t their opinions. They can’t even tell you why they hate liberals. Everything is a script like Jonestown. It’s not based on genuine opinions.

Defacturd is busy making with sock puppet accounts. 🚫 to all of them. Sorry.

R57 open your eyes , you are calling the kettle black

I hate the Invasion of the Trumptards, even if it just DeJure/DeFacto and his sock puppets. I also hear the he who shall not be named (E) still lurks around. It does detract from the high quality of life here at the DL. I do have full confidence in Muriel and her capacity for extermination though.

How so? Red tags are a joke. Defacto has been red tagged three times and is currently cruising for a fourth. La Gorda from Brooklyn (E M) has been red tagged at least 4 or 5 times. Crazy Matt A? He must have a dozen red tag numbers by now.

[quote] open your eyes , you are calling the kettle black

Meaning what, exactly?

R57 I'm not defending the right wingers who stormed the Capitol. But, really they were doing what they thought was patriotic. They were being led by people who knew better, but I'm sure 90% or more of the actual participants, really thought they weren't trying to cause a coup but to prevent one and to uphold the Constitution. If you really believed with all your heart and soul that the government bureaucracy, the media, and foreign governments colluded to thwart an election and the will of the people, storming the Capitol makes sense as an extremely patriotic thing to do.

Of course, it wasn't true. They were led down the garden path by liars and grifters. And, now they have to pay the consequences.

Yeah, we are talking about people who claim the exclusive title of "patriot" after January 6 when there is no excuse.

When you align yourself with people who have been making headlines for harassing and threatening people for just doing their jobs in the private sector (such as those who work for Dominion), in their capacity of our elected representatives (the January 6th Insurrection and those who vote against things the GQP deem, "Anti-Trump"), or the families of any of those people, then you are not a "patriot".

Are there Republicans who are "patriots"? Of course! There are Democrats who are, as well. And Democrats who aren't. Welcome to reality.

Patriot has taken on an ugly meaning. It now stands for someone who wants to throw out the Constitution and establish a militant, fascist theocracy a la Gilead.

I briefly dated a republican guy last year -he could be very thoughtful and charming; and he was quite sexy. There were other red flags that kept me at a slow walk; basically since I fulfilled his specific physical ideal he was much too quick to want it to be serious — but ultimately it was his constant bringing up of politics that made me end it. He knew from the beginning I was a liberal; I was very clear about my beliefs — but he was simply unable to go more than a few hours without complaining about “the left” in some roundabout way.

You people asking me to change my values are assholes.

They are trolls or one specific troll R98.

[quote] You people asking me to change my values are assholes.

If what you value is fascism and transfer of wealth to the rich, then you're the asshole.

I though R98 was addressing right-wing trolls R100.

It could have gone either way. That's why I said "if."

My values are more important than love.

I love myself more than I could ever love another

[quote] Perhaps try changing your views? Or at least make a genuine effort to understand where he’s coming from?

The OP is intractable. He will die alone.

[quote] The OP is intractable. He will die alone.

Sure. His only option is to marry a Nazi. Sounds logical.

People in this thread seem incapable of nuance.

They personify 'Reductio Ad Absurdem'.

There is a difference between a Conservative and a MAGAturd--they are not the same thing. If OP was dating a Conservative you could have a rational conversation with, that would be one thing. But it sounds like this dude is repeating MAGA buzzwords-IMO it's not worth having a conversation with the MAGAs, they are brainwashed by nonsense.

[quote] Some friends think I’m being picky

Well, OP, you're not half as picky as the people here giving you advice. They're giving you negative advice rather than positive advice.

[quote] He also told me he’s hoping to help bring about the “red wave”. I can only image what that means.

Good conversations entail asking questions and listening intently.

OP, you need to put a lock on your heart.

You must never stoop to the second-rate to find any scrap of happiness.

I have long time friends and family who voted for Trump twice and although I have tried to keep my distance I have not cut them out of my life. But I would never start a NEW relationship or friendship with somebody knowing they are a Trumper.

Any gay man who is a Republican is twisted, fucked up and probably dumb as a rock.

Refuse to Compromise!

Die alone.

R113, other people don’t have to compromise on dating someone with totally opposite views on politics. Why should I?

[quote] other people don’t have to compromise

Those other people may have assets that you lack in order to find a suitable partner that is acceptable to your requirements.

I imagine it's easier to find stability with someone who leans conservative but I wouldn't see it as a dealbreaker if I sense the chemistry is there. The only thing I could see being an issue is if we are raising kids.

A relationship requires trust and respect, two things I could never give a MAGA idiot.

[quote] a MAGA idiot

The OP tells us that the man is "a nice and witty guy".

Are you posting from the 1950s?

"To catch a man, girls, you must change everything about yourself. You are worthless if you can't snag a man."

[quote] You are worthless if you can't snag a man.

The OP is in his 30s and has told us he's been both single and celibate for 4 years now.

The 30s soon dissolve into the 40s. And all sexual attraction shrivels up after that.

There is no reward to giving up who your are to be with someone who doesn't believe the same things you do. To think otherwise is the height of stupidity and will ensure a miserable life.

I think it shakes out about even. Single or partnered. Best to experience both for long stretches of time in ones life. Just being one or the other doesn't give much perspective.

[quote]"To catch a man, girls, you must change everything about yourself. You are worthless if you can't snag a man."

"And being single means you're doomed to decades of misery and loneliness until you're found decomposing and half-eaten by your dozen cats." 😺

The OP may be found decomposing and half-eaten by his dozen cats but his high moral standards will be intact.

A quote from "Broadcast news" which applies to OP: "Wouldn't this be a great world if insecurity and desperation made us more attractive? If needy were a turn-on?"

R69 is hilariously false. Every conservative I know over 50 (and they're all over 50, at least the ones I know) have adult children who don't speak to them. Most of them are divorced, too!

Who says you have to give up who you are? Your looking for a partner not a twin.

It's bizarre how stridently relationship-oriented Datalounge is these days. "You're worthless without a man -- give everything up for LOVE or else you'll die ALONE -- HORRORS!!!!"

Like, who the fuck are you people?

r6 he'd probably growl 'MAGA' or "Trump' every time he cums.

[quote]Patriot has taken on an ugly meaning. It now stands for someone who wants to throw out the Constitution and establish a militant, fascist theocracy a la Gilead.

Where can I sign up to be a handmaid if this happens?

[quote] he'd probably growl 'MAGA' or "Trump' every time he cums

You can obsess over your 'Reductio ad Absurdum' obsession, R129, but the OP tells us that the man is "a nice and witty guy".

Any guy who talks about the "Red Wave" is gonna be bringing his BS up all the time. Run Bitch...RUNNNNNNNN

Anyone can be “nice and witty” in casual conversation or as an acquaintance but still have views and values that make them unsuitable for a deeper friendship or a relationship.

It level of simplistic thinking (and/or inane trolling) in this thread is astounding.

[quote] But, really they were doing what they thought was patriotic.

When the Nazis invaded Poland, they thought the same thing. When they stuffed Jews (and gays) into concentration camps, ‘they really thought what they were doing was patriotic!’

Extremists ALWAYS think what they’re is ‘the right thing.’ The fact that this guy brings up politics at EVERY OCCASION is a serious sign that he doesn’t respect anyone else’s views, even on the most basic ‘agree to disagree’ principle which helps keep society civil.

It’s one thing to agree not to discuss politics, but another entirely to spend an entire relationship biting your tongue as the other person harangues you with the latest Fox New talking points (also known as lies!).

[quote] The OP may be found decomposing and half-eaten by his dozen cats but his high moral standards will be intact

I’m sure the cats will make for better company.

I have no issue with people who have different politics. I would have an issue with someone willing to put themselves in harm's way to oppose the government. My personal life is complicated enough.

R134 Are you the OP?

You said he was 'nice and witty' two days ago now you're seething with hatred at his boorishness.

Is this imaginary man your own sock-puppet?

[quote] [R134] Are you the OP?You said he was 'nice and witty' two days ago now you're seething with hatred at his boorishness.Is this imaginary man your own sock-puppet?

No, I’m not, and don’t understand where you’d get that idea. I loathe the MAGAt crowd and would advise anyone to steer clear of them. Don’t give up your day job for private investigating; you suck at it.

OP, has this 'nice and witty guy' rung you for a second date?

OP here! I have good news. He ended up ghosting me and unmatching with me on tinder.

The only time I’ve ever been happy to be ghosted.

He was 'nice and witty' two weeks ago. And now he's a pariah.

It takes two to make a relationship.

[quote] Some friends think I’m being picky

Your options are getting smaller very year.

Your tolerance level needs to increase as your looks fade.

Your standards for an acceptance husband need to recede just as your hairline recedes.

Loneliness is a high price to pay for independence

Be alone or be with a Trumper?

I'll take alone any fucking day.

I want to be alone!