Lisa Brown is dead to me.

Holy shit, this was a shock. RIP.

How sad. She was so good at a really great time for daytime shows. #nolaforever

I didn't see DL comment on Michael Tylo's death until now. Both are sad news.

I second what R3 said. What memories she gave us! Nola and Iva forever!

I thought she was just okay.

Told this story before, but took my great aunt to see her in 42nd Street. Every time Lisa came on stage Helen would say, “There’s Nola”. I loved both those ladies.

Remember when hard-luck Iva had the hots for hunky Hank Eliot? True to her bad luck, Hank revealed to her that he was daytime's first openly gay character. Poor Iva.

Nola and Quint both dead and yet Mrs Renfield (Beulah Garrick) is still alive at 100.

Iva’s grandson was the gay Luke.

I’ll miss you, woman I’ve never heard of.

Poor Floyd. She was on GL when I was in high school. First with trying to trick Kelly into being with her, then the whole fantasy thing with Quentin. Fun character back then.

Lisa was very lucky to have two iconic daytime roles even though her return is no lot in the 90s was very disappointing. She was one of those soap actors who have that luck. Some who did: Elizabeth Hubbard, Jada Rowland, Anna Stuart, Denise Alexander, Lisa Peluso, Barbara Berjer, Leslie Charleson. Of the men, Wally Kurth, John Aniston, Nicolas Coster, Jed Allan, Larkin Malloy. Nola and Iva were very different, and when I watched Iva, I never thought of Nola because Lisa made her very unique.

Oh, that is so sad. The Nola-Kelly-Morgan storyline on GL circa 1979 is the greatest single plot in soap opera history.

[quote] Lisa was very lucky to have two iconic daytime roles even though her return is no lot in the 90s was very disappointing.

huh?

No wonder why Lisa Brown never did a "Locher Room" - fans have been wondering as the thought was she wasn't interested. But she must of been ill for a while

Yes, R3, I agree. I am shocked and saddened by this news. I loved the soaps in the 1980s, and Lisa Brown was one of my favorite actors from that time. I was hoping that she would eventually do a Locher Room interview. I got the impression that she and Martha Byrne were close. Martha must be beside herself right now.

[quote] I got the impression that she and Martha Byrne were close. Martha must be beside herself right now.

Yep they are very close, in fact they are business partners with a production company

She and Kristy McNichol always reminded me of Judy Garland.

Only SoapFraus would know who this is

R15, I think "no lot" is an autocorrect for Nola. Her return as "kooky" Nola to GL was very disappointing.

[quote] Only SoapFraus would know who this is

Broadway fans too. (Best Little Whorehouse, 42nd Street)

Lisa Brown & Tom Nielsen son "Buddy Nielsen" - the lead singer of the Rock Band "Senses Fail"

Very sad. I was lucky enough to see her on broadway in 42nd Street and she was so friggin talented. And, her work on Guiding Light was excellent. RIP

Nooooo! Nola and her fantasies were the reason I watched The Guiding Light in the '80s.

Bette Davis watched GL and apparently adored her. I’m sure she reminded her of herself.

I hope Alan Locher does a tribute show for her with her former GL/ATWT co-stars. And maybe someone from 42nd Street and Best Little Whorehouse in Texas.

[quote]Nooooo! Nola and her fantasies were the reason I watched The Guiding Light in the '80s.

Me too. This is really sad.

She was one of my favorites as a child. What I would give for another afternoon of watching soap operas with my mother and sister, folding laundry.

Maybe I've mentioned this before, but I always had the sense she could do a fantastic Judy Garland impression.

Rest in peace, Lisa.

On Guiding Light George Pilgrim played Nola's teen son J...LINK (1:02 mark).....You're welcome.......He only had the job for a few months (couldn't act) and then DL Fave Ethan took over.

To this day, some 40 years later, we quote Nola when someone is being clueless: “Do you need a roadmap Floyd!?”

That’s sweet R30. I’m gonna use it!

Has George Pilgrim (J) commented yet????

Ethan Erickson (J "No Dot" Chamberlain) has been the voice of Toyota commericals for years.

R33 = With his annoying wife. One of the very few straight daytime actors.

For some reason, Lisa reminded me of Grayson Hall from "Dark Shadows".

I have thought about Lisa all day. Although I had never met her, I feel as though I knew her. More than other soap actors deaths, this has affected me for some reason. Nola was a character, Lisa embraced that character and gave her life and believability. I miss GL, I miss Nola.

I will forever be grateful to Lisa Brown for the kiss she gave to Company in Guiding Light's last episode.

R37 = Found it. LINK.....Nola arrives with Bridget....Around the 3 minute mark....

[quote] I was hoping that she would eventually do a Locher Room interview. I got the impression that she and Martha Byrne were close.

According to Ms Locher they were working on this but obviously now it's too late. One wonders why it was so difficult to pull off, especially during the several months we were in lockdown. Maybe she was reticent about being seen these days?

Her son left a beautiful message on Instagram.

Oh no! I loved her on The Guiding Light!!

Her son should have been there for her.

Seeing those pictures of Lisa from her son's Instagram account makes me sad again. Years ago I read an article about her in one of the soap magazines. I think it was in the 1990s. Apparently she did temporary work in between acting gigs. In the interview she said she was working as a temporary receptionist at a company. The owner of the company kept yelling at her because (when she answered the phone) she was too nice with the customers, and she took too much time talking with them when they called into the company. I thought that was a cute story.

I love that you can see the headshot of Frank Runyeon (Steve Andropoulos) behind Lisa in that first picture on her son's Instagram. One is still loved, the other...

Any comment from John Wesley Shipp? I wonder if they were friends?

From JWS's Facebook:

[quote] Gobsmacked when I learned of the death of my great colleague, Lisa Brown. Life is made of many memories and some of my most wonderful include Lisa. My Heart goes out to her family🙏🏼♥️

JWS is a gay. A total gay.

Don't fret because I'm still here and was always more loved than Lisa.

Why couldn't it have been Martha Byrne instead??!!

So Tom Neilsen ate out Lisa Brown’s snatch back in the day. Why!?!?????

VIDEO = Back when JWS was hot...With Lisa Brown Nola...Celebrating the 50th anniversary....

^^^ The second guy in the video is Lisa Browns FIRST husband (in real life)....Tom Nielsen....

Thanks R51

So has fat Denice Pence commented yet? She thought she was the king’s shit and Gail Kobe fired her. Gail fired Lisa Brown, too.

I had cancer.

The acting at r51's clip was atrocious.

RIP, dear lady. Sorry, I never got to see Lisa Brown as Nola, (watched General Hospital), as Iva on ATWT, she was a joy to watch. Bring the soaps back to NY and hire theatre actors.

[quote] The acting at [R51]'s clip was atrocious.

How so?

One of daytime’s all-time greats. No one else like her.

WHEN THEY GOT RIVA THEY DIDN T NEED NO NOLA

[quote]Oh, that is so sad. The Nola-Kelly-Morgan storyline on GL circa 1979 is the greatest single plot in soap opera history.

Totally agree; many days I ran home from school just *waiting* for the latest installment in that love triangle. I loved how they redeemed Nola by hooking her up with weird, creepy Quint

I confess, Lisa's death hit me harder than Sondheim's. Lisa came into my living room for over a decade, first as Nola, then as Iva. She was an indelible part of my teen years. Thank you for so many wonderful memories.

The only thing memorable about her 1995 return was that she got to see Henry before he passed away and was there for his memorial. She had no chemistry with Justin Deas. Most of Michael Tyler's return actually had him being subbed for by Josh Taylor.

The 1995 return had potential if they'd played the Nola of old. Perhaps reintroduce us to Nola via some of her movie fantasies and/or involved in investigating some mystery for Quinton. Or perhaps she returns to Springfield with a vendetta against Ed for his part in Maureen's death.

But as it was, Nola just sort of arrived back in Springfield with a teenage son in tow and no real purpose for being there. And pretty soon, she was infatuated/stalking Buzz!?!?!?!?!?. Very bizarre,

He must have been very old. I remember when Doris Day used to sing with his band.

The Henry Chamberlin actor was a homosexual in real life. Lisa knew that.

Did Lisha Bwonsh havesh a DUI

I knew Doug Marland, and he adored Lisa.

At his memorial, she told a story about how she arrived at an event wearing a sweater. “Is that new?” Doug asked. “Yes.” “Lisa, how much did you pay?” “$35.” “Well, you paid too much!”

Her delivery was really funny and self-depracating. She could definitively do comedy.

R14 Doug Marland told the same tale with Bobbie Spencer , Ava rescott, and Meg Snyder.

Each actress brought something unique to the story. Brown was unique- her stealing Kelly’s Christmas gift to Nola - a framed photo of them - wrapping it, and putting it in the pile of White a elephant gifts for him to find was brilliant and psychotic.

Mind you, this tale made GL a top four soap in the heyday of GH

Personally, I loved Zeman’s Bobbie, who was so evil but she made fans feel for her.

I think the Nola storyline with Doug’s great joy. That character was special.

Boy, that was the height of the soaps. When they were casting some insane talents (Julianne being another example).

Lisa was playing Nola by day and the lead on Broadway at night.

What was more important to P&G actresses: getting a Daytime Emmy, a SOD Award, or a DUI?

Mr. Marland was a homosexual. I did not approve of his lifestyle choice.

Who was that older doctor who used to get so exasperated with Nola when she was a relatively new character? I believe she was a candy striper, and that gray haired doctor with the German accident used to get so agitated with her. "Nola Leeldon"

I can't remember his name, R73, but yes, I remember him.

That was the German doctor with the inexplicable name of Stephen Jackson.

Stefan Schnabel? Rick's gramps.

Stefan Schnabel played Dr. Stephen Jackson.

He wasn’t Rick’s grandfather, he wasn’t a Bauer.

Oh wait, sorry, he was. He was Leslie Jackson’s father.

"Stefan Schnabel played Dr. Stephen Jackson."

This soap has everything. Paternity reveals, marital rape, Christmas miracles, Amish conversions, sex between ACTUAL cousins, cars flying off bridges, sluts melting down in public fountains, and Germans with inexplicably anglicized names. The password at the door is "I'M COMIN' BUD!!!"

[quote]and that gray haired doctor with the German accident used to get so agitated with her. "Nola Leeldon"

The German accident made him permanently cranky.

Vetsoapfan is as cranky as Dr Jackson on THE Guiding Light.

I can't believe he stayed on the show so long after his daughter's death but...being a doctor probably helped.

I read that the character was killed off after going to London (?) - if not, it would have been nice to have had him come back for Bert's memorial in 1986.

I love, love, love Pam Long's run on GL but the only thing that would have made it richer was if she'd brought back either more regularly or at all Hope, Amanda, Rita, and a few others.

I think Amanda was the only who she wrote off who came back for a brief bit later; I couldn't believe all the times Alan Michael was in jeopardy or had weddings and NO Hope. Elvera Roussel would have filled that matriarch void nicely.

Pam's biggest shortcoming, at least during her initial run, was the failure to use the show's long history. On that initial run, she was determined to write the show she wanted to write and the show's history and older characters all got sacrificed.

At least during her second run, Pam was better about honoring history by bringing Roger, Holly and Blake back. And yes, she did have Amanda (Kathleen Cullen) come back for a Christmas 1987 visit.

Pam wrote that seriously wrong-headed retcon with the Annabelle Sims storyline. Brandon Spaulding, Henry Chamberlain, Bill Bauer and HB Lewis were never in Springfield at the same time.

[quote]Pam wrote that seriously wrong-headed retcon with the Annabelle Sims storyline. Brandon Spaulding, Henry Chamberlain, Bill Bauer and HB Lewis were never in Springfield at the same time.

True. No argument there. But at least Pam did a better job of telling that story than Ellen Weston did 20 years later when she did it with Alan, Billy, Josh and Buzz and Maryanne Caruthers.

[quote]Brandon Spaulding, Henry Chamberlain, Bill Bauer and HB Lewis were never in Springfield at the same time.

Whoever the patriarch of the Reardon family was (Tom?), he was involved in the Annabel Sims story too. Greg Beecroft played him in the flashbacks.

the Annabelle and Maryann stories were awful in the sense that they shoved a history down our throats that never happened.

They explained Buzz being back from Viet Nam on leave or something to explain his presence back in Springfield.

They wonder why people stop watching?

I don't recall that Annabelle Sims story being bad per se but it certainly was insulting to the dedicated viewers who knew history was being rewritten.

R37

I sobbed.

M A R Y!!!!!!

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

How nice that Lisa nominated Vee, who’s in the biz, you know, for a Daytime Emmy Lifetime Achievement Award last week! They wanted cranky vetsoapfan to present the award, but he refused because they dropped “The” from “The” Guiding Light and wouldn’t let FatEd go on stage!

Vee is long overdue for the well deserved Lifetime Achievement Emmy Award!

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I think the passcode should be "And now my dahlings, prepare to die."

I loved the Susan Piper stuff as a teen. Watching some of it years later on YT, it was godawful. Acting, dialogue, everything. In fact, I've begun to wonder if my love for soaps as a teen was solely BECAUSE I was a teen who enjoyed this very unsophisticated type of programming. I know this sounds really pretentious, but as an adult with a more sophisticated palate, these shows look aggressively stupid and dumbed down to reach the lowest common denominator viewer.

Have any of the Snyders commented on Lisa's passing?

Where is Kristen Vigard's statement? She better hustle, or the prettier and more talented Jennifer Cooke will beat her to it.

The return of Quint & Nola in 1996 (along with their son "J") Part 1

Go 7 Minutes into video

The return of Quint & Nola in 1996 (along with their son "J") Part 2

Jay never got the opportunity to show off his shirtless chest...I think we can all agree that was almost as big a tragedy as Lisa's passing..

Can you imagine Lisa on a Bell show? I burst out laughing just thinking of that mopey mess surrounded by all those beautiful people.

Lisa was rather homely.

Who would be considered beautiful on either Bell show today? The females all look like Hope mannequins.

JWS posted a sweet remembrance on FB: "Gobsmacked when I learned of the death of my great colleague, Lisa Brown. Life is made of many memories and some of my most wonderful include Lisa. My Heart goes out to her family."

To which Colleen Zenk replied: "What a talent.... and a helluva girl, gal, woman, friend. I've known Lisa since we were 22 (actually, she was 21 and already working in NYC) and I had recently arrived. Two girls from the Midwest with similar backgrounds and ambitions. We met at a commercial audition and were cast together in a Dr. Pepper commercial where I was the sweet Pepper girl and she was the sassy one. She always was the sassy one. This was years before either of us landed in Daytime. She made it to Broadway far earlier than I, and was cast in many a role I wanted but didn't get. Doug Marland wrote to her gifts of humor and dance and song. We were pregnant together with our first babies and then later she came to Oakdale when Mr. Marland beckoned. Lisa was a director and writer's dream. She could do anything. And... a witty, sardonic, wise, funny, loyal friend. I am stunned by her sudden death. And send love to her kids, Tom, and husband, Brian. The world has lost a star... rest now, Lisa..."

Just tried to find the Dr. Pepper commercial featuring both Colleen and Lisa on Youtube, but no luck.

Same, LittleMissSeattle. I thought I might be able to find it!

I know Colleen has mentioned on social media that she started out in commercials - as a teenager she was in a number of Kellogg's spots.

And L’Eggs! The pantyhose inside a plastic egg.

The Snyders? I don't know them.

[quote]Lisa was rather homely.

Oh, she was not. When she was young, she was as cute as a button.

Her funeral was today. 😭

[quote] Jay never got the opportunity to show off his shirtless chest..

He did - but you missed that episode. Here is "Jay" (George Pilgrim) today

I liked the original Anthony/J. I don't think he was quite what they were looking for, but I swear they had the same issues with him as they did with the original Hart.

He was much better than the vapid toothpaste model that came after him, a child that would never have come from Quint and Nola.

I only needed to have one husband all of my life.

[quote] I liked the original Anthony/J.

It wasn't the show that let him go, the actor himself was so unhappy, he asked to be let out of his contract. He was just not up to doing the day to day grind of a soap. As soon as the show could, they got him off, because he was so unhappy.

That era was the beginning of GL just doing any and everything except for what made sense.

Oh, Leonard Staab.

*sigh*

Remember when Goutman recast Iva?

Mental illness is a bitch.

Anyway......

I was so hot for Nola's hot guido brother Tony.

[quote] I was so hot for Nola's hot guido brother Tony.

We all were, honey, but I think he was a mick, not a guido.

This Jay, R100?

Yikes, that clip at r38. Is that really what GL looked like at the end? My 80 year old dad’s home movies have better production values than that. I remember the show looking great when I watched it. Sad…

I don't know it looked so shitty at the end - I mean Crystal Chappel did her own web show "Venice" and the production values on her web show were 1000X better than what GL had - and CC had LESS MONEY than GL!

I always wondered if Lisa Brown and John Wesley Shipp ever hooked up. They had so much chemistry.

Mixed feelings on GL 's production model.

It was PAINFUL to watch; the audio, lighting, sets -- all horrible.

Natalia walking out of her wedding to Frank and across to the gazebo in the snow was like a movie. I saw that episode and thought, Wow.

The last seven months or so we got Phillip back. I don't know what it is about that man but he's like the bad boy older brother romantic boyfriend everyone wants for one reason or another.

The show wrapped up with happy endings, mostly, all around. They should have shown Alan alive sipping a drink on an island with that Alan-theme from back in the mid to late 80s when Bernau played the part.

Ed and Holly off to see the world; Alex and Fletcher on a cruise. Rick and Mindy together -- FINALLY. Phillip and Beth the senior couple at the Spaulding mansion. Josh and Reva off on the road -- always. Danny and Michelle back in Springfrield. I think Blake was paired with Frank? Billy and Vanessa back together.

I loathed what happened to GL and hated that it went off the air but it the ending that the writers wrote made it all bearable somehow.

Papa Bauer was turning over in his grave at the Peapack years.

[quote]I always wondered if Lisa Brown and John Wesley Shipp ever hooked up. They had so much chemistry.

John Wesley Shipp is not of that persuasion.

John Wesley Shipp and Marsha Clark surely hooked up. Their chemistry was off the charts.

JWS is not a lesbyterian.

I wonder if John ever hooked up with anyone on GL or ATWT. I mean, was he giving Greg Beecroft a helping hand? Or running his hands through Harley Venton's swoopy hair?

Sadly I don't think JWS overlapped with the Pendulous One.

It appears they were on at the same time.

Oh, my.

*fapfapfapfap*

Awwww. They played Canon in D at her funeral yesterday.

anyway

I just watched the March 1996 ep someone posted here. At the time I thought the show was not great, but that in comparison to the glorious 1989-1993 years. Watching 1996 again now, I have to say it wasn’t that bad - but that’s looking ahead to all the crap to come (Dolly the clone, San Cristobal, the Santos mob stories).

GL still felt like GL here - Vanessa comforting Dinah over Henry’s death, Reva and Marah and Josh and Annie playing out their drama, the return of Nola and Quint.

Did DL fave Geri Court ever bump pussys with dykey Marsha Clark?

Geri wasn't a lesbian. Neither was Marsha. She and JWS were hot and heavy for a while.

anyway....

Edge of Night had the gayest cast of all the P&G soaps, and that is saying a lot.

And now....

That opening at r139 was beyond embarrassing. Cheap and awful.

Tony Reardon needs to punch me in the fartbox with his schlong!

^Kelly, get off the fucking computer!

.....

Phillip Spaulding needs to take me to a ball game, slip me $20, and chase away the bullies.

GL was the first soap I ever got hooked on. I had watched it some when my older brother and mom watched it, but didn’t really care until the Kelly/Nola/Morgan saga and I was obsessed. I was around 12 years old and JWS made me feel tingly. Tony Reardon, too. I can remember faking being sick so I could stay home to see some big reveal…I think Kelly found out Nola was lying about a baby or something? Lisa Brown was a true original as Nola. Just a fantastic match of character and actress.

I started losing interest when Kristen Vigard left and the Nola and Quint stuff began. In 1982 I discovered AMC and it became MY show. I still watched GL some, but really started watching less and less when it became all about Reva and the Lewises, and all the men falling in love with frumpy Beth.

When and how was Kelly/JWS written off?

[quote] Phillip Spaulding needs to take me to a ball game, slip me $20, and chase away the bullies.

He can take me to a game, take me under the stands and slip his pendulous cock in my mouth. I mean I'll even let him call me Beth or Mindy as long as he cums in my mouth.

Kobe, Long, or whoever was responsible for dismantling the Bauers made a major strategical error. Yes, Reva, Beth, etc., were very popular, but they really gutted the core when they marginalized the Bauers.

.....

r146=Miss Henry Chamberlain

Everything went to the shitter when they dropped THE

Goutman’s Iva recast was so much more popular than Lisa Brown!

I would love to have seen what Kristian Alfonso could've brought to the table as Iva. I think her fiery Latina sexual energy is just what Iva could've used to remain a viable long-term character. Let's face it, Lisa Brown was a low energy charisma-free actress. Viewers didn't want to fuck Iva, which is what soap casting is all about, let's face it.

[quote] When and how was Kelly/JWS written off?

John Wesley Shipp went on vacation, fully expecting to resume work after he returned. When he came back from vacation the show (Gail Kobe) told him he had his last day,

The show never explained why Kelly was no longer around - but by that time it was all Reva & Phillip/Beth. So no one really missed him.

Plus JWS had wanted to leave, but Gail Kobe persuaded him to stick around. But after six months, even she realized the character was going nowhere.

Wasn't his last scene that he didn't know was his last scene on a pay phone?

Vee, who’s in the biz and fighting with perv Soapsuds, demanded that JWS be fired because JWS wouldn’t suck his toes.

R153 = Backstage zipper problems. There is a reason he was popular but still didn't get snapped up by another soap....And the "I WANTED to leave" is the oldest excuse in the book. Nobody prefers unemployment in New York instead of a steady paycheck.

R146, yeah, some days I'm up for that too but most days I just want that big brother I never had.

I ran into John Wesley Shipp in the locker room of a predominantly gay gym in Philadelphia in about 1985. I blurted out how much I had loved him in The Guiding Light and the Nola-Kelly-Morgan plot line. He said something along the lines of “yeah that was a fun show” but with no enthusiasm.

He was in town playing Brick in a regional production of Cat on a Hit Tin Roof. The gym was near the theater where the show was playing Later, I saw him with a male/female crowd from the play, I assume, dancing at Philadelphia’s big gay bar at the time.

I remember that he was a terrible dancer. But my God was he gorgeous.

R157 Aw. I get it.

JWS was the dream guy as Kelly - nice, cute, great body, not afraid to show it off, even to Bert Bauer!

But man, when they had him come back in '87 for the favorite scene thing and he appeared with Lisa and Tom Nielsen....he was fucking SEX ON A STICK. Looked hot as fuck with that beard.

[quote] There is a reason he was popular but still didn't get snapped up by another soap....And the "I WANTED to leave" is the oldest excuse in the book.

JWS has had no problems finding work - the Marland left, he wanted to leave and let that be known. He stayed because he was locked into a contract, but then Gail Kobe convinced him to stay for another year, but then she didn't use the character

Back to JWS having no problems finding work, even after "The Flash" he returned to doing short-term gigs on Soaps - All My Children, Loving and One Life To Live - before getting Dawson's Creek.

JWS is someone who will do any acting job - daytime or nighttime, so that was quite rare back in the day. Going from a lead role in prime time - to going back to doing day player work on the soaps.

John's a great guy; he played abusive Carter on All My Children and his character, I think I have this right, beat up a prostitute day player played by Andrea McArdle and he gave a quote to a soap mag that read: "It's a sad day when the Flash beats up Little Orphan Annie."

I can see him being low key at the gym. I've met a LOT of celebs over the years living in L.A. I ran into Gregg Marxx once at a Ralph's and the dude just wanted to buy his groceries and leave and he wasn't up for making a new best friend when I chatted him up (BRIEFLY); another time, some friends and I, about five of us, went to see his cabaret act and he chatted with us after at length and couldn't have been friendly or more attentive.

I saw JWS about 15 years ago having breakfast at The Abbey in WeHo. He was still incredibly handsome. I looked at him and he gave me a small smile and a wink, then continued having a conversation with the guy he was having breakfast with.

I wonder if Gregg Marx and JWS got it on?

Or maybe they were lusting after Jon Hensley.

Me, I would have been chasing Michael Swan or Mark Pinter.

You can’t get pasht me!

lmnop

I mean, one remembers the days when Henry Chamberlain had a private key to the country club sauna.....

Henry wore his worsted wool three-piece suit while blowing many of Springfield’s titans, respected doctors (even Bob occasionally enjoyed the pleasures of a skilled mouth) and scions. The semen he swallowed made his eyebrows lengthen.

Who was Vanessa's mother? A test tube?

Henry rolled his eyes like a bitchy shop bottom or hotel front desk clerk.

Was Mr. Roerick a homosexualist? He must have gotten a boner seeing JWS in his speedo around the studio. Did Miss Chris Bernau get aroused by the pendulous one?

Henry Chamberlain gave me Hyancith vibes.

Billy Roerick used to act like a silly, flirty school girl around JWS.

.......

Roerick was gay, yes.

Did Billy Roerick trick with any P&G gays like Joel Crothers?

[quote] Roerick was gay

No way!

I'm glad Roerick had someone. They were apparently buried together ❤️ 😭 ❤️

Maeve knew that her ‘daddy’ was gay.

💩💩💩💩

Here is JWS and his partner.

Another of them

JWS got hard when he played daddy to the Ford bros on OLTL.

💩💩💩💩

[quote] Who was Vanessa's mother? A test tube?

Oscar Winner Teresa Wright Best Friend - here Vanessa goes down memory lane with her deceased mother's best friend

I vaguely remember that scene. Grace apparently knew the specifics of where Dinah went off to, or who Vanessa's daughter even was.

I'm almost positive GL intended for Jessie Matthews to be Vanessa's daughter but somehow changed it after they got a bit into the story.

My GL character may have been the cure for insomnia, but thirty five years later I look fantasic, AND I'm getting William de Vry's dick on the regular!

Smell me, bitches!

Yeah, but you were Sue Storm in a Fantastic Four movie so bad Marvel has tried to completely suppress it.

Wendy Moniz is doing the Locher Room

I triple dog dare one of you bitches to show up in the chat and say "So....how did Frank Grillo's cock taste, anyway?"

The whole GL canvas had been fat and homely until Wendy came on as Dinah. People were/are still seething they dropped THE from the title and Fat Ed, Fat Bert, Fat Maureen, Homely Nola, Homely Holly, and Lazy Bones Bev McKinsey.

Alan surely needs to ask about Frank Grillo cock!!!

Locher had a little tribute to Lisa Brown at the end of his Christian LeBlanc interview. He showed scenes of Nola and Vanessa, the Lily reveal, Kelly tossing Nola to the curb.

I know he's talked about doing a Lisa memorial, as he did for Beverlee.

The question is whether it will be for Lisa, or Lisa and Michael Tylo.

Old perv Soapsuds keeps begging Alan to have Chandler smirks alot on his show. Dumbfuk pervert is a moron.

Pervert Soapsuds and that equally annoying Victoria Fuckton (who have both killed SON) bitch about Alan Locher yet they hang on his every word and interview!! Start your own channel, you fat old fucks!!!!

Digest's new cover doesn't have a blurb about Lisa. They're gonna give her a paragraph in Comings and Goings and I am going to email them and read them for filth.

Lisa B. never sold magazines.

Why the Fuck should she be on the cover of SOD? Jesus.

Alan is interviewing Tammy Tunie next week. Will he ask her about Jessica’s lez relationship with Margo and their threesome with Doc Reese?

Will fat old perv Soapsuds and pain in the ass Vicky Fuckton bitch about Locher, yet still watch every one of his interviews?

Dramatist Nightmare is already bitching about it. Make your own channel and book interviews creeps! SON is a mess! Earl needs to divest!

Psycho demon bitch must be off her meds today, 6 posts in a row I can't see.

Someone get this bitch some antipsychotics

Tammy Tunie > Lisa Brown

I used to love the Locher Room - because Alan used to solicit fans questions, and then relay them to the actors

But now he has STOPPED accepting viewer questions, and he is the only one doing the questioning

So I have stopped watching, because what is the point if there is no fan participation.

Hey R204 Start your own channel and book the guests. Then you can ask the questions you want. Its Alan’s channel, he can run it the way he wants.

I'd love to see him do a Snyder Family reunion from ATWT ... with all the original Snyders.

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r204, that's crazy.

Miss Locher needs to do a reunion with all the studs who fueled my furious teen masturbatory fantasies:

James Wlcek, Grant Show, David Sederholm, MEK, Peter Reckell, Todd McKee, Don Diamont, Robert Tyler, JWS, and Grant Aleksander.

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Hello my dears! Some of your favorites from THE GUIDING LIGHT are joining me, Scoche Marin, at the home of my iconic character, Katherine Chancellor.

I like R206's idea.

Make sure you have a pillow handy if Miss Locher follows up on r206's idea. Can you think of anything more lethally boring, unless it's an interview with Ellen Parker and Peter Simon? The one he did with his equally boring wife Courtney was tedious enough.

Yes, it's a great idea. I mean you'd have to have Graham Winton, but yes.

[quote] Then you can ask the questions you want. Its Alan’s channel, he can run it the way he wants.

You are 100% RIGHT - Alan Locher can run his channel anyway he wants. I agree 100%

But since he is no longer taking viewer questions, then their is no reason for me to watch.

MARY!

^That's "Stewart", you bitch!

The Chancellor puppies will take Genoa City by storm, darlings!

They should bring on Dee Dee Halls as Kay's never-before-seen grandmother, Hortense Reynolds. They will need to use de-aging makeup on her, but I could see this working.

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Has Tom Neilsen commented yet?

Actually, Digest posted the wrong cover online, I saw the one that was just published today and Lisa IS on the cover.

The Wendy Moniz Locher Room was interesting.

But weird. In the middle, he told her it was 23 years this week since Zaslow died. She got very sad. Then he followed that up with "Have you heard about Lisa Brown?" She had not. It felt so inappropriate to watch her learn that. She was about to cry.

After 18 months, he hasn't gotten even a tiny bit better at hosting, or handling guests, or being believably human around them.

Zas sounds like he was a pain in the ass questioning everything. Shut the fuck up and say your lines. He’d never make it today when they shoot 3 episodes a day.

shhhhh.....no one wants to hear your 💩

Alan can ask whatever he wants. If you don’t like it, start a new show with the SON nuts and see if you can get any guests or anyone to watch other than Special John.

Those old fat queens at SON are tearing Alan apart but they won’t start their own channel and ask the questions they want to ask. Stupid old pervs.

shhhhh.....no one wants to hear your 💩

The GL part of the Moniz interview was about 10 minutes. That's because there's very little GL she can talk about without lying through her teeth. She was a monumental bitch on that set including to the people she claims to have been close to and learned from. Alan is the perfect platform (and sucker) since he'll actually give her the time of day.

How come Alan didn’t ask about Frank Grillo? lol And didn’t she also sleep with Kurt McKinney? Wendy has quite a “past”.

💀 in a fucking 🔥 already

R196, she got the opening news pages but they didn't really reach out to John Wesley Shipp or anyone else. Martha has something there but I think that's Instagram.

Conversely, SOD didn't reach out to Lisa after Michael Tylo died like one of the soap sites did; this is probably her last quote.

R232 Yeah, none of them can be bothered to pick up a fucking phone and do ANY journalism any more. They just copy and paste what's been in other articles and/or on social media.

R233, which is why magazines will die.

and magazine deadlines are such that news is over a week old by the time they get it out.

If Shannon Tweed had taken over the role of Iva and her split personality Godiva like I implored, then we wouldn't be discussing Lisa. I'm creaming my panties at the thought of Shannon and Cam Mathison as bisexual escort/go-go boy Drew Dixon adding some much-needed Bell/Days-type sexuality to the boring canvass.

💀 in a fucking 🔥 already

we're waiting

Bring on Jack Wagner as Seth Snyder and Dan Diamant as Paul Ryan and the show would've been walking sex.

Has Vee, who’s in the biz, interviewed Lisa’s bisexual son yet? Vee is in the biz, you know.

It's possible the magazines reached out to the actors, either directly or through their publicist, and the actor opted not to reply.

Katherine Kelly Lang AS Iva!! I would have paid to watch that. She was sex on a stick, compared to drab Brown. All they needed to do was to fire fugly Bryggman and recast him with a hot daddy like Dennis Cole or Rod Arrants, and there's your beautiful John/Iva supercouple. So many missed opportunities. If the wonderful FMB had been allowed to make the changes she wanted, the show would've added some much needed sexiness. The actors on this show were really homely.

KKL was only good working with dykey Sue flannery.

[quote] All they needed to do was to fire fugly Bryggman

Are you on crack? He’d been there since God was a boy.

Maggie Baird (Taylor Baldwin on ATWT and Billie Eilish’s mom) made a cameo on SNL during her daughter’s monologue last night.

R230 I'm guessing the off-limits list for the convo was a mile long. To not be able to talk about your main scene partners/storylines for the better part of four years because of personal issues is just hilarious. She only mentioned the Dinah/Hart/Cassie triangle (which sucked - and has said as much in the past) so she could pretend like she and Laura Wright are 'reconnecting.' They hated each other back then. The whole industry is just so fake.

Did she talk about how Maeve slapped her one day on the set?

Wendy is a mess. She lies.

Why did Maeve slap her? Maeve never exactly set the world afire with her dreary little soap career.

Maeve slapped her for being a hussy!

R240, that's true but Lisa Brown gave a quote to soap website; I'd think if SOD had asked her , she'd have talked to them too.

Vinegary Helen Wagner had no time for trollops like CZP or Miss Moniz. Why does Alan Locher act like everything was always fun and happy around these soap sets? There was always more drama behind the screen than onscreen. Miss Locher knows it. Cut the bullshit.

According to Queen Locher, everything was wonderful behind the scenes at GL. He shuts down conversations he sees going in a negative direction.

[quote] She only mentioned the Dinah/Hart/Cassie triangle (which sucked - and has said as much in the past)

I didn't watch it, and don't want to sit through an hour just to catch the 10 minutes she spoke about GL - but what did she say about the Dinah/Hart/Cassie triangle

[quote] so she could pretend like she and Laura Wright are 'reconnecting.' They hated each other back then.

Then they must have LOVED this scene where they TEAR each others hair out in a physical fight, and call each other "Tramp" & "Slut"

Laura Wright is currently the best actress on daytime at the moment.

R252 You're not kidding. There was a comment from one person who had 'heard she was difficult to work with but ultimately she seems lovely' and that's no longer there. Her abrasiveness and rudeness was known far and wide by cast and crew and it's amazing to me he can be so pollyanna with her. Notice none of the usual show people (mainly writers) showed up to chit chat like they usually do.

R253 She said that the writing for the triangle was so great which isn't always the case with triangles - sometimes they get stale, don't work, etc. She's panned the writing on soaps for YEARS in interviews, especially when she was with Grillo. They were both all about the 'soaps suck' narrative and wanted to pretend like they'd never been on one. Laura Wright hated them both and would pan the triangle in the press. Everyone thought it was stupid because you could tell Hart/Dinah just fit better together and meanwhile out of nowhere he's with this blonde chick whose hair alone was bigger than he was.

JWS posted another message about Lisa on his FB today

Cassie/Hart/Dinah was one of those triangles where honestly I wanted all of them to die in a giant grease fire.

Frank and Laura's hair needed their own zip codes.

And yes, Hart and Dinah always had more chemistry and seemed to "fit" together better than with Cassie. It always seemed Cassie was shoehorned into that romance to create story and to create sympathy for Cassie.

JWS talks about sucking Doug Marland’s toes to get the job of Kelly.

Was Allen Potter of the homosexual persuasion?

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Marsha Clark and JWS were an item. He’s a pussy hound and she loves the cock. Perfect match.

r262=headless

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JWS was juggling Marsha Clarke & Carolyn Ann Clarke at the same time. Two are his limit, as I don't think he could juggle a third woman

Warren Burton and Mary Kay Adams were hot and heavy at one point, I believe.

Chris Bernau and Elvera were a couple off screen as well.

Chris Bernau was gay, so I doubt he was involved with Elvera.

Kelly wasn't with Lesley Ann, R265; what do you mean? on-screen?

We know it wasn't off.

I was older (duh) when I watched Cassie/Hart/Dinah and I could never get into it. I saw people who didn't all like each other coming across the screen.

I chatted Grillo and Moniz up at an ABC event one year (one or both of them were on an ABC series) about the late great Betty Rea and he was not up for talking about his daytime past; she was a bit nicer in that way wives can be when their husbands are acting prickish.

Whoever said the backstage stuff was more compelling than the on-screen stuff had a point.

I meant to add I was younger (duh) when I watched the old Vanessa v. Nola stuff and I never felt like the actresses didn't like each other, but that came across when watching Dinah/Cassie.

Whosh Lisha?

Why did Kobe and Long backburner Quint/Nola? They were incredibly popular, though Long never gave them a storyline.

[quote] Kelly wasn't with Lesley Ann

OFF-Screen - JWS talked to soap mags about him romancing Carolyn Ann Clarke, before dating Marsha Clarke

Chris Bernau & Mary Kay Adams STEAMED up the screen when Alan & India had their hot & heavy romance

Joel Crothers and Veleka Grey were consultants for the Alan/India romance.

[quote] Joel Crothers and Veleka Grey were consultants for the Alan/India romance.

As recently as 2019 - Veleka would tell anyone who would listen about her romance and engagement to Joel Crothers

Lisa Brown would always warn the ATWT set if Eileen had spicy food for lunch.

Joel and Veleka were the daytime "IT" couple for quite a while. Their torrid romance is still talked about to this day.

Don’t forget the torrid offscreen romance between Kate Collins and Jean LeClerc. They brought that sexual heat to the Natalie/Jeremy pairing. Alas, pussyhound LeClerc ultimately couldn’t be tamed.

The mags really played up the Jean/Kate fauxmance. I remember an article in SOD at the time about their traveling together and they said they were each other's soul mate. There used to be a video of them on YT having brunch together or something at an outdoor cafe in the village, but I can't find it.

Ahem. Don’t forget about us as daytime’s IT couple.

Larkin Malloy and Marcia Cross were a pretty hot and heavy couple too.

The reality is back in the 1970s and 80s and even into the 90s, actors had to do the beard game and actress friends would help them out by lying.

Wasn't Elizabeth Hendrickson the daytime go-to beard for a while? She seemed to date a bunch of actors suspected of being gay or bi?

I live through the 80s on the west coast in the soap world; set decorators, wardrobe guys, -- the most beautiful accountant I'd ever seen in my life -- all dropped dead of AIDS.

It was tragic. People talk about COVID robbing them of their freedoms. COVID will pass.

AIDS killed so many in their prime.

Doug Marland was a homosexualist.

^No shit, sherlock.

Tammy Tunie talked about Lisa on Queen Locher’s show.

From the interview, it seems that Miss Tunie basically used ATWT as an ATM, basically a way to earn a living while she did theater. She modeled her use of the show based on what she observed Larry Bryggman doing. I don't think she fully appreciated the genre.

Did Tammy Tunie talk about ME?

[quote] Larkin Malloy and Marcia Cross were a pretty hot and heavy couple too.

Kristi Ferrell (Roxie GL) was on the Locher Room and said she once saw Marcia crying outside the GL studios, apparently she and Larkin Malloy got into a fight

[quote] Wasn't Elizabeth Hendrickson the daytime go-to beard for a while?

Jonathan Bennett when he was on AMC

[quote] it seems that Miss Tunie basically used ATWT as an ATM,

and ATWT paid for her fabulous house in NYC that is now worth MILLIONS

Tamara Tunie, unlike Larry Bryggman, didn’t badmouth the show.

Jessica McKechnie was a character that wasn’t fleshed out- she really didn’t get to do anything that interesting except defend the other characters during murder trials. Her character on Law And Order SVU was even less of a fully realized person.

Doug Marland was a great writer but he did a terrible job writing the black characters on his shows. Agnes Nixon and Bill Bell did better in that respect.

Jessica had a whole backstory and members of her family came onto the show for a while. Remember Lamar?

R294, did you ever see the story in which Jessica introduced Roy to her family.

The class difference was incredible.

Here's an interview with Tunie from a few years ago in which she talked about Doug, Hogan, Duncan and more.

I don't recall Dietland; it kind of came and went but the rest is great.

There was a point where Jessica WAS well written and the black family/families were interesting. Of course they were never given what white characters were but it was well done for a time.

Roy's sister Nella was played by Kasi Lemmons who would go on to make the fabulous Eve's Bayou.

I thought that stretch of story for a year or so was well done, if not exciting. Much better than the mess with Helen Wagner and Lauryn Hill.

Jessica and Duncan's story was interesting for a time but it eventually became more of a statement and less about their compatibility.

Doesn’t Helen look like a smug bitch in this picture.

When did Helen not look like a smug bitch?

Helen left a few years earlier because they weren't using her and Don; they both came back for Tom and Margo's wedding and only Helen came back for Bob and Kim's.

I remember she gave them a honeymoon trip on a cruise ship for a wedding present; they ran into Abe Vigoda and Lilia Skala; I believe Douglas Cummings saw Kim on the cruise and believing it was fate, he followed her to Oakdale.

Maybe she looked so smug b/c she knew she was coming back full time with Bob and Kim married or smug that the show extended an invitation to come back, at least for the wedding.

I bet Helen thought that CZP was a shameless little hussy and told her right to her face.

I think that's one of those whackadoodle scenarios that the deeply damaged, mentally ill poster keeps saying, to the point people start buying it.

the first Nella was painful to watch.

"Royyyyyyyyyyyy why are you marrying that lady lawyer??"

She was awful.

Helen told Mary-Ellis Bunim to fuck off. Too funny!

The actress who played....was it Marsha? The woman who was in love with Doug Cummings? She was terrible.

How P&G actress DUIs can we count?

Nope.

Zenk Pinter has 2 dui’s. Zimms, Watros. Jordan Clarke was driving at 3 am without his headlights on and got busted for being under the influence. There’s probably others. From other shows, Jason Cook, Kristen Storms, Windsor Harmon , caught pissing in the streets. Fun group.

Don’t forget about me!

Nope.

[quote] Nella was played by Kasi Lemmons who would go on to make the fabulous Eve's Bayou.

Nella was also played by Victoria Rowell

How many lawsuits did koo koo crazy Rowell lose????? lololololol

Silencio, psycho cunt. Take your obsessions with shit and DUIs elsewhere

Serial Psycho scholar loves talking about Eileen’s bowel issues and Mrs Pinter’s duis. It’s all true. So bug off asshole. Jensen Buchanan sends her love.

R306 her name was Giulia Pagano

I thought she was terrific in the role; Shipp thanked her by name in his DT Emmy speech.

What about ME

Dead!

Poor Crystal. Still trying to monetize her online soap. Big failure.

Stifle, psycho.

[quote] Poor Crystal. Still trying to monetize her online soap.

She has moved beyond that and is how launching her own streaming service dedicated to content for women

Ish it midnight yet? Can you shtart my car for me? Mama needsh breakfasht.

Was Richard Bekins of the gay persuasion? IMO he was the best Jamie. I liked Stephen Yates, but the ones who came on later like Lau felt like they were playing totally different characters.

R323 No Rose. Bekins was straight. Just like cock hound Connie Ford.

Wait, r324, you're saying Connie Ford was straight? LOL. You need to get your gaydar fixed, dearie.

anyway....

I was trying to get through a 1979 episode of ATWT on YT. My god, what a snoozefest. It was all talk, talk, talk, and the dialogue was horrendous, mostly exposition. The pacing was lethargic and everyone looked 60+ years old and bored out of their minds. No wonder viewers under 80 began to tuning out in droves and turning to the high energy and fresh ABC soaps.

LOL at Nelson Branco trying to act like he was BFF’s with Betty White! Gurl please. Everyone has a pic of themselves with Betty White. She didn’t know who the fuck you are!!

Has Hans G. issued a statement? He worked with Betty on the MTM Show.

I think Crystal was the only one to make money from her online soap

there are A LOT of closeted lesbians out there and Otalia on GL and Venice were like Queer as Folk to the gays.

One time, Colleen told Helen to bleach her mustache. Helen called her a trollop.

Some of the lezzys who loved Otalia are tough looking guys.

CBS SUNDAY MORNING has interviewed me, Scoche Marin, the definitive Katherine Chancellor on THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS, television’s number one daytime drama, with regard to the passing of my dear friend Betty White. The crew caught beautiful views of my home and gardens. I am the wealthiest cast member on Y&R.

Robert Newman in as new Ashland. Happy to be able to see Josh-u-whaa on my screen again.

He has that edgy thing he does but the writing will determine if the character is taken seriously now. With Richard Burgi the character was said to be ruthless and vindictive but then all he did was cuddle with Victoria. When Robert Newman played Josh on GL I couldn't take him seriously because the writing for Josh was so incredibly sanctimonious and hypocritical. It'll depend how they approach it here.

Dumb Dylan from SON wants Kim Zimmer to join Y&R. Dumb move. It rarely, if ever, happens where a couple can recreate magic on a different show in different characters. Dumb Dylan is so fucking stupid.

God Dumb Dylan makes me question if I can even read. Such an idiot. How many grades has he failed?

When is Miss Locher's tribute to Lisa Brown? The moment is about to pass. Surely Maeve, Martha and Ellen Dolan have some memories to share.

R338 Start your own channel and interview them yourself. Miss Locher sends her love.

Lisa/Nola was a GL icon. You'd think Lady Locher would take every opportunity to gush over her and the show in general. That's crazy.

Lisa/Nola was hardly an icon. Luke & Laura was trouncing GL in the ratings during Lisa’s big years.

When people think of Guiding Light, they think of Kim Zimmer as Reva. Sorry, but it’s the truth. Maybe they remember Phillip and skinny Beth. No one remembers Lisa, Beverlee, or the fatso Bauers on screen before fat Reva.

Reva who? When I think of "The Guiding Light" I think of Papa Bauer, Dr. Steve Jackson, Dr. Sarah Werner, Meta Bauer White, Adam Thorpe, Robin Fletcher, among many other treasures. I guarantee I'm not the only one.

r343 = curmudgeon vetsoapfan from SON

I only think of how they unceremoniously dropped THE from TGL. I’m still not over it. And to this day I still miss Fat Ed Bauer.

r345 loves fat soaps. Fat soap titles, fat actresses, fat actors, fat characters. Everything fat, especially Fat Ed, Fat Bert, and Fat Maureen.

The Bowers were boring. Kudos to Gail Kobe and Pam Long to marginalizing them. Yawn.

Oldie TGL viewers never cared for anything more than fat characters pouring coffee, having the same conversation everyday, THEs in soap titles, and the worst theme song ever heard on broadcast television set to the leaves on a fucking tree.

Gail Kobe and Pam Long completely revitalized GL. Dumped those boring Bauers except for Fat Bert and the ratings even beat GH for a time. Kudos!

GL went to number 1 after the boring Bauers were canned. The Lewises energized GL as Springfield's first family. Most of the Lewises were fat, so the nursing home viewers who loved the Bauers should've loved the Lewises too.

Wow! 14 responses that I can't see. I only have two people on Ignore, which means those 14 responses came from those two people.

And likely, those two people are actually the same person with two different accounts.

#SAD

I have the same two “posters” blocked. What’s the deal with this jerk? Does he get off on being annoying? Lighten up dude. Nobody thinks you are funny or clever or have anything of interest to add to any discussion.

r351 must be an SON member. They think any alternative viewpoint MUST be the same person with different accounts. Bunch of conspiracy theorist pimply pervs at that joint.

R355, Sanctiomious and hypocritical?

Well, I have seen so much more than you think I have...for all you land of wishes, hopes, and dreams! Josh went all out for the little lady in white, didn't he?

We must have the same person blocked. I am not seeing a ton of posts.

I wasn’t a huge GL watcher post 1983 or so, but Robert Newman was HOT.

[quote] The Bowers were boring.

Oh, dear.

GL is the show I miss the most; That and ATWT.

Both shows did Christmas shows well.

ATWT did a great night before Thanksgiving.

GL did a great July 4

I think ATWT either celebrated Memorial Day or July 4 or both.

I miss those family-centric shows.