Hello and thank you for being a DL contributor. We are changing the login scheme for contributors for simpler login and to better support using multiple devices. Please click here to update your account with a username and password.

Hello. Some features on this site require registration. Please click here to register for free.

Hello and thank you for registering. Please complete the process by verifying your email address. If you can't find the email you can resend it here.

Hello. Some features on this site require a subscription. Please click here to get full access and no ads for $1.99 or less per month.

Math must be decolonized. ETHNOMATHMATICS is the way.

Math is problematic and needs to be decolonized.

[quote] A Pathway to Equitable Math Instruction: Dismantling Racism in Mathematics Instruction, is a document created by teachers and educationalists in California with funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Some of what it propounds does not sit within the frame of the traditional math teaching debate, such as the need to “center ethnomathematics.” Ethnomathematics is apparently the relationship between culture and mathematics and is a term that “requires a dynamic interpretation.” Centering ethnomathematics asks teachers to, “Identify and challenge the ways that math is used to uphold capitalist, imperialist, and racist views.” This looks like an attempt to politicize math and turn it into one of the humanities. If disadvantaged children receive this kind of teaching while their more advantaged peers learn actual math, any achievement gap can only widen.

[quote] Other antiracist approaches to math teaching outlined in the paper seem more aligned with the progressivist tradition, such as the directive to, “Teach mathematics through project-based learning and other engaging approaches.” Because, you know, reasons. And you’ll be a racist if you don’t.

[quote] There is an odd tension here. It’s not entirely clear whether the advocates of new math regard the subject as a legitimate form of enquiry that should be made more accessible to people of color or merely an expression of white supremacy that needs to be dismantled, decolonized, and turned into a social science. Recently, Twitter blew up with a discussion about whether 2 + 2 can equal 5. The central point of contention seems to be between math’s claim to universal truth and the kind of subjective, lived-experience approach embraced by many social justice movements. As A Pathway to Equitable Math Instruction explains, “The concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally false, and teaching it is even much less so. [sic] Upholding the idea that there are always right and wrong answers perpetuate[s] objectivity as well as fear of open conflict.”

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 81October 22, 2021 1:25 AM

Steps forward.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 1October 21, 2021 3:26 PM
Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 2October 21, 2021 3:27 PM
Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 3October 21, 2021 3:28 PM

China laughs at this stuff.

by Anonymousreply 4October 21, 2021 3:30 PM

Modern mathematics incorporates theories and systems from Europe, The Middle East, India, and East Asia. It has never been the sole purview of 'white people'. Me thinks some groups feel embarrassed by their lack of success in mathematics and need to come up with elaborate excuses to hide their shame.

by Anonymousreply 5October 21, 2021 3:33 PM

If I were conspiracy theorist, I'd say this was being peddled by Chinese interests, in order to ensure that Americans are forcibly kept stupid so that they can't compete with China.

I might even trot out that famous maxim from the book 1984 --2+2=5.

If I were a committed leftist, I'd wonder why the supposed antiracists are basically openly saying that black kids are too dumb to do math.

But I'm a good NPR-listening liberal, so I guess I'll say "Yay! Numbers are racist! Down with wypipo and their so-called 'numbers'!"

by Anonymousreply 6October 21, 2021 3:33 PM

I genuinely can't follow the logic here. Mathematics is the one area of study that's completely objective, surely?

by Anonymousreply 7October 21, 2021 3:35 PM


by Anonymousreply 8October 21, 2021 3:35 PM

I can see there being racism in the way in which math is taught, as in, poorer students and/or POC students not being given the same opportunities/attention in math education in the same or similar way that math and science education has a history of discriminating against girls. That doesn't mean that the content is biased though... and how the hell does 2 + 2 = 5?

by Anonymousreply 9October 21, 2021 3:35 PM

It's called equity, people.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 10October 21, 2021 3:37 PM

Is this an ONION piece?

by Anonymousreply 11October 21, 2021 3:37 PM
Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 12October 21, 2021 3:37 PM

It's real, and it's working. People are learning math in new ways and it's great.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 13October 21, 2021 3:39 PM

Fun fact: the formal proof (using mathematical logic) to 1 + 1 = 2 is about a page long.

by Anonymousreply 14October 21, 2021 3:39 PM

Don't force math on people who don't have the aptitude for it.

by Anonymousreply 15October 21, 2021 3:40 PM

[bold]Well meaning people, often with too much money and time on their hands, are the ones doing this. Things like this are reported as if there is some kind of wide spread demand for it but there isn't, just like there wasn't a demand for movies and TV show episodes like the Golden Girls mud mask episode to be pulled. People at schools and businesses are so afraid of blemished reputations & losing their livelihoods that they do ridiculous things like this to stay ahead of cancel culture. Only a fraction of a percentage of the population actually want this yet people like the OP promote these ideas as if there is some big push for it and of course people with racial, ethnic or class biases eat it up. How can rational any person not understand this?[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 16October 21, 2021 3:40 PM

Oregon is leading the way.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 17October 21, 2021 3:41 PM

Ebonics meets mathematics. Just another excuse to legitimize under-performance and sheer stupidity. Here go the midterms...

by Anonymousreply 18October 21, 2021 3:41 PM

It’s racist and wrong for them to essentially say black people cant do math so we have to change the standards. The leftists are the racists here

by Anonymousreply 19October 21, 2021 3:41 PM

The swing state voters Dems need are laughing their heads off at this stuff.

by Anonymousreply 20October 21, 2021 3:42 PM

Think "knowing" over "calculating". It's just different for certain cultures, and that needs to be accepted, and education adapted for everyone.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 21October 21, 2021 3:42 PM

They act as if colonization is a bad thing.

by Anonymousreply 22October 21, 2021 3:45 PM

China is trying to teach Western mathematics to their own children. When will they learn....

And don't say "well, look at their tech advances". That's ALL STOLEN from Western countries.

by Anonymousreply 23October 21, 2021 3:45 PM

Math was stolen by Western culture, and math as taught today is fundamentally unfair and racist.


Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 24October 21, 2021 3:47 PM

So many closed-minded boomers. Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 25October 21, 2021 3:50 PM

Keep reaching for a lower common denominator ... pretty soon we will rolling in pig slop and living in caves and then the glorious dream of equality will be realized.

China can't take over soon enough from this sad lost country.

by Anonymousreply 26October 21, 2021 3:51 PM

^ that lady is a total quack in that video

by Anonymousreply 27October 21, 2021 3:52 PM

[quote] China can't take over soon enough from this sad lost country.

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say you're Ling Ling trying to frustrate solutions to the division in this country. Learned minds from other cultures (aboriginal, African, etc.) are offering solutions, and they're immediately discredited. Put on the lens of equity for once.

by Anonymousreply 28October 21, 2021 3:54 PM

[quote]Centering ethnomathematics asks teachers to, “Identify and challenge the ways that math is used to uphold capitalist, imperialist, and racist views.”

The irony of the Gates Foundation saying that we need to stop using math lessons in school to uphold capitalist ideals.

My dad was a math teacher and he used to go out of his way to create new worksheets that took out math problems that had an agenda, which was surprisingly often. There would be a word problem that would say something like "Lucy has five apples. Bobby is poor, so he only has one apple" and dad hated those because they were distractions. The students would always say something like "Maybe Bobby just wants one apple, for crying out loud" and start arguing about whether it was rude to call Bobby poor or not.

By the time I was taking standardized tests in the early 1990s, our testing coaches were specifically telling us to watch for math problems with these kinds of "stories" embedded in them, they were "old-fashioned and distracting." We were taught to quickly reduce the problem down to the bare essential information and disregard the rest.

As an adult, I look back on these things and realize how inappropriate they are. I agree that math classes need to be neutral, not pushing weird ideas like "if someone only has one apple, they're poor."

But the Gates Foundation of all places putting their ill-gotten money into revamping math programs in the U.S.? I can't imagine THAT is going to help ANYTHING.

by Anonymousreply 29October 21, 2021 3:56 PM

Immerse yourself in it, and you'll see it makes sense and it's all tied together.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 30October 21, 2021 3:56 PM

[quote]China can't take over soon enough from this sad lost country.

Propaganda can be pretty obvious sometimes.

All this "It's China trying to ruin us, they want to take us over, we're awful so maybe they should take us over" crap is preposterous. I hope no DL regulars are saying any of that shit.

by Anonymousreply 31October 21, 2021 3:57 PM

JFC, someone tell me what this means? OP's post is a mess and I'm not watching youtube videos.

Crackpot antiscience fools love Youtube videos.

by Anonymousreply 32October 21, 2021 4:00 PM

Crackpot antiscience, R32? The GATES FOUNDATION is supportive of ethnomathmatics. Get with it.

by Anonymousreply 33October 21, 2021 4:01 PM


by Anonymousreply 34October 21, 2021 4:03 PM

I'm white and had horrible math teachers (who were white). A couple seemed deliberately obtuse, skipping important parts of what they were explaining. Other whites would get tutoring after school (and keep it on the DL) that my parents wouldn't have been able to afford anyway.

Back in the day, we didn't have online resources like we do now to supplement shitty teaching.

by Anonymousreply 35October 21, 2021 4:03 PM

R34, see the Gates Foundation study quoted at OP.

by Anonymousreply 36October 21, 2021 4:03 PM


Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 37October 21, 2021 4:04 PM


[quote] A Pathway to Equitable Math Instruction is an integrated approach to mathematics that centers Black, Latinx, and Multilingual students in grades 6-8, addresses barriers to math equity, and aligns instruction to grade-level priority standards. The Pathway offers guidance and resources for educators to use now as they plan their curriculum, while also offering opportunities for ongoing self-reflection as they seek to develop an anti-racist math practice. The toolkit “strides” serve as multiple on-ramps for educators as they navigate the individual and collective journey from equity to anti-racism.

[quote] We also wish to thank the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation for their generous financial support of this project.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 38October 21, 2021 4:05 PM

[quote] The Pathway offers guidance and resources for educators to use now as they plan their curriculum, while also offering opportunities for ongoing self-reflection as they seek to develop an anti-racist math practice. The toolkit “strides” serve as multiple on-ramps for educators as they navigate the individual and collective journey from equity to anti-racism.

This has nothing to do with education and everything to do with social conditioning.

by Anonymousreply 39October 21, 2021 4:10 PM

I've scanned through some of the articles posted in this thread in an attempt to get a better understanding of this but all I see is a bunch or word salad, actually, many word salads. The only thing that seems to be clear is this: white is bad.

by Anonymousreply 40October 21, 2021 4:13 PM

[quote] A Pathway to Equitable Math Instruction is an integrated approach to mathematics that centers Black, Latinx, and Multilingual students in grades 6-8

Um, what about other cultures? Middle Eastern? Asian? South Asian?

by Anonymousreply 41October 21, 2021 4:15 PM


Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 42October 21, 2021 4:16 PM

[quote]The swing state voters Dems need are laughing their heads off at this stuff.

I wish they were just laughing it off. But I think it enrages them -- to an irrational degree, given how marginalized such views currently are, yet it will compel them to vote against their best interests in all other areas of life just to quell "this stuff."

by Anonymousreply 43October 21, 2021 4:21 PM

R43, is critical race theory marginalized? No: it's mainstream now. Ethnomathmatics is a product of the lens of critical race theory.

Not saying I do/don't support it, but I am saying that it's not a marginal thing. Though I do agree that flyovers don't need to be concerned with it, as it's not currently being discussed in their states.

by Anonymousreply 44October 21, 2021 4:24 PM

Oh yeah, let's blame China for this, too. Please. This is a product of America, full stop. And if proves successful, no one will be blaming China: we'll be celebrating the AMERICAN scholars who are developing and implementing these solutions.

And then China will steal it, as they've stolen everything they have from us.

by Anonymousreply 45October 21, 2021 4:26 PM

I remember a course in college entitled God Exists Because Mathematics Is Consistent…Does anyone here want to go under the knife of a surgeon who got there by “equitable outcomes”?…

by Anonymousreply 46October 21, 2021 4:27 PM

If DeShawn steals a car at point A and needs to bring it to the chopshop which is 137 miles away. He is driving at 55 miles an hour. How long will it take DeShawn to reach his destination ?

by Anonymousreply 47October 21, 2021 4:28 PM

Aren’t they really just saying there is more than one way to think about what “2” is?

by Anonymousreply 48October 21, 2021 4:29 PM

Apparently, these people aren't great with history either. Math was invented by the Moors, who had dark skin.

by Anonymousreply 49October 21, 2021 4:30 PM


by Anonymousreply 50October 21, 2021 4:31 PM

R49 has never heard of the Pythagoras. Or Archemides.

by Anonymousreply 51October 21, 2021 4:35 PM

They certainly know math when it comes to figuring out their welfare checks

by Anonymousreply 52October 21, 2021 4:35 PM

When a group believes pursuing lnowledge and developing one's intellect and abilities is "White" let's just say the lower the expectations the better.

by Anonymousreply 53October 21, 2021 6:02 PM

"If L'vonda got 15 minutes left on her pre-paid plan, and she promise to pick up her kids at Grandma's at 10, but she stay out at the club till 4, and she can't cash her check because she done left her I.D. on a hotplate, and the rent is due in 3 days, but she 40 dollars short, but Tyrese owes her 30, but he don't get his check till the 20th, then how much she can spend on QVC if she trade 50 dollar off her food stamp card for a 25 dollar gift card at Chili's, then trade that for 10 dollars cash, and split the difference on her roommate's debit card (and tell Ronetta that D'shawn took it 'cause he always doin' shit like that), and, taking into account the 3 easy payments and free shipping, how many days do you wait before canceling payment to make sure you get both the faux-suede leopard pumps delivered and the refund?

A. 1 Day B. 2 Days C. 3 Days D. My minutes ran out; can't catch a break!

by Anonymousreply 54October 21, 2021 6:16 PM

I hope Mediapolis is happy that Datalounge is now Stormfront Plus Occasional Gay Porn.

by Anonymousreply 55October 21, 2021 6:18 PM

[quote] Aren’t they really just saying there is more than one way to think about what “2” is?

Ok, explain to us the different ways to think about what "2" is.

by Anonymousreply 56October 21, 2021 6:23 PM

[quote]When a group believes pursuing lnowledge and developing one's intellect and abilities is "White" let's just say the lower the expectations the better.

This is a major problem in the black community, and they'll never get ahead if they don't confront this.

by Anonymousreply 57October 21, 2021 6:55 PM

Wow. R54

Just wow.

by Anonymousreply 58October 21, 2021 6:57 PM

When you can’t compete but you still want equal results, then the only way is to dumb down the process. In doing so, you get equitable outcomes you so desired, but then you get new sets of problems arising from this sort of race-based social engineering.

We’re already seeing these dictates easing into medicine/ healthcare professions education.

by Anonymousreply 59October 21, 2021 7:02 PM

A pack of Newport cost eleven dollar and fiddy cent. Tyrone only have nine dollar and firdy cent. How much mo' green do Tyrone need so he can gets dat pack o' Newport, son?

by Anonymousreply 60October 21, 2021 7:18 PM

This is an attempt to achieve equity in STEM. Unfortunately Asian and white ethnic groups will continue to way outperform BIPOC (non Asian.) Next step quotas to study certain subjects. Still not going to work.

by Anonymousreply 61October 21, 2021 7:36 PM

Debate must also be decolonized.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 62October 21, 2021 7:41 PM

Inequality based on race and income is an established fact in the U.S. school system. It can be fixed but it would require money, lots of time, and school boards that weren't controlled by national political concerns. It would also require a country where there weren't tens of millions of shitheads who believe racist propaganda about blacks all being dumb and America is being dragged down by their Negroid stupidity.

None of that is ever going to happen.

by Anonymousreply 63October 21, 2021 7:43 PM

Shanella need Pampers for the baby. She call her Babydaddy Tyrese and tell him to stop at C Town to get some. She tell Tyrese that Pampers cost forty dollar. Tyrese say he spent his last forty at the chop shop. Shanella cuss him out and say the chop shop is bullshit, he spent his last forty on wee. Tyrese say he tellin' the truth but he just found a twenty and forty seven cent and he can swing by and get the rest of the money from Shanella to but the Pampers.

How much money do Shanella need to give Tyrese to get the Pampers?

a) Twenty dollar firdy cent

b) Nineteen dollar firdy cent

c) Ninteen dollar fiddy three cent

d) Don't give Tyrese no mo' money you need to walk away from that nigga

by Anonymousreply 64October 21, 2021 7:47 PM

They are basically saying the same things the racists did during Jim Crow. POC aren't capable of understanding math, or debate, etc. Only now instead of saying they should therefore be treated as inferior, these "neo-racists" argue we should just accept their limitations and reduce all of society to their level.


POC are NOT naturally inferior and can understand and find success with "western" concepts. It is just no one wants to talk about the real causes of inequality. It is not because of inborn racial characteristics.

by Anonymousreply 65October 21, 2021 7:48 PM

Read the room, R64/60/54.

by Anonymousreply 66October 21, 2021 7:49 PM

Some uppity white bitch tell Shanella she need to read the room. Shanella call La Shonda and tell her what the uppity white bitch said to her. La Shonda tell Shanella to let her know where she at so she can get down there and cuss out that uppity white bitch.

by Anonymousreply 67October 21, 2021 7:52 PM

R65, yes, it is in fact Jim Crow, and it is done for the same purpose: So dominant whites can continue to dominate, all the while telling those under their heels that "it's for their own good."

Because if you don't understand math, you will get fucked hard throughout your life by people who DO understand math and can screw you without your ever knowing. It happens every day to POC, and also to poor, undereducated whites. (Just as during Jim Crow, no one gives a fuck what happens to the "white trash" underclass.)

Smart people will have to teach their own kids math; rich people will put them in schools that do a lot of performative handwringing about "white supremacy," but teach actual math, history, etc.

The children of the rich (including Gates' kids) will never be taught this horseshit. Great-grandpapa worked hard to buy that estate in Newport. "Aboriginal concepts of math" would ensure it would be repossessed about 2 weeks after being inherited.

by Anonymousreply 68October 21, 2021 8:11 PM

It could also include the personal responsibility to do the work/study required to excel and meet standards of excellence, rather than lower the standards to meet equitable outcomes, r63…

by Anonymousreply 69October 21, 2021 8:14 PM

Just have quotas for education and employment. Simple.

by Anonymousreply 70October 21, 2021 8:23 PM

Didn't Wu-Tang Clan do something similar with this? RZA wrote about the math behind "36 Chambers" in the "Wu-Tang Manual."

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 71October 21, 2021 8:28 PM

Billions have already been spent to achieve equity in education. See No Child Left Behind and Race to the Top which was Obama’s program. Remember him? All that dough has done little if anything to alter outcomes. I think the current thinking is since we can’t get BIPOC kids to the levels of white and Asian achievement, we’ll just stop testing. Also abolish all gifted and talented programs and schools where you need to pass a test to enter. Problem solved.

by Anonymousreply 72October 21, 2021 8:40 PM

R72, that's because educational success begins with the culture taught in the home and extended family, from birth. There are innumerable POC who have been incredibly successful in school, and virtually every single one had someone in their life that prodded them, encouraged them, and let them know that slacking off was not acceptable.

The kids that are turning schools into jungles -- and they are not all POC by any means -- are people that don't have that support and encouragement at home. They don't want to learn because they don't value educational achievement, and neither do their families and cultures.

by Anonymousreply 73October 21, 2021 9:46 PM

R2 is a troll who links to Fox News

OP is probably a freeper who squeals about "critical race theory" without being able to define it

by Anonymousreply 74October 21, 2021 9:49 PM

[quote] she can't cash her check because she done left her I.D. on a hotplate


by Anonymousreply 75October 21, 2021 9:50 PM

If this helps kids who otherwise might be turned off of math, I think it is a great idea.

by Anonymousreply 76October 21, 2021 9:52 PM

R73 so true I worked in a low income after school program, many of the black kids were told by their families not to care about education because “that’s white people shit” and the white ones were told by their families to not and try to “get above their raisin.”

It really does start in the home, my family isn’t wealthy but they indulged and encouraged my interest in museums, the theatre, and books. It doesn’t cost much money, you just have to care.

by Anonymousreply 77October 21, 2021 10:12 PM

We are in a race between education and catastrophe.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 78October 21, 2021 11:36 PM

A total burden on civilized, educated society. Always have been and always will be.

by Anonymousreply 79October 21, 2021 11:46 PM

Creating different games will not level the playing field.

Gates is a disgusting, lucky Aspie asshole- his lawyers refused to let him testify in his antitrust case as he would immediately lose, he is so purely snide, inhuman and repugnant.

Why is he trying to create a definitive underclass? Why is he buying so much land in middle America? And why did his daughter marry a foreigner?

He has some sort of fucked up vision for this country that we absolutely should not allow.

by Anonymousreply 80October 22, 2021 12:39 AM

Utter horseshit!

by Anonymousreply 81October 22, 2021 1:25 AM
Need more help? Click Here.

Yes indeed, we too use "cookies." Take a look at our privacy/terms or if you just want to see the damn site without all this bureaucratic nonsense, click ACCEPT. Otherwise, you'll just have to find some other site for your pointless bitchery needs.


Become a contributor - post when you want with no ads!