Why are police unions so psychotically right wing?

People who are attracted to law enforcement jobs tend to be right wing. They also tend to believe in a Christian God, believe in heterosexual marriage with children, etc. They want to wave the flag, etc.

I did worked in law enforcement, but I was an outlier. I had to basically try to ignore a lot of shit going on around me with my coworkers.

Police unions: poorly educated men who are paranoid at baseline. Not the best and brightest.

Police like to hit people and be in control.

Right wingers like to beat their wives and be in control.

Yes, it's also not the most intelligent group of people.

OP, this is what you think of on a Wednesday afternoon? Do you have any hobbies?

I've noticed that many actually higher ranking officers are more progressive than the regular cops. I've known two cops, one was a more senior detective and the other was an inspector and they weren't right wingers like those beneath them in rank. Police chiefs are often trying to bring change but have to battle the union. Weird.

I think the Unions are more centrally controlled then they like to let on. Basically the republican donors control the police unions. Like 2 or 3 people control the whole country’s police force. They set all the rules and control them top down.

That is how they get every single police department to fall in line. They all have the same boss.

Once you look at it that way, it all clicks. They don’t work for the individual towns and cities. They just get the money from them. But they answer to the boss.

R6, IME, there's a written portion (test) when you apply for promotion to detective, sergeant, etc. The officers who have a college education do have an edge b/c they're used to taking tests. That's why the higher-ranking officers are maybe more open-minded as they have hopefully been exposed to more ideas in college.

Imposing and maintaining order vs. accepting but managing disorder or possibly chaos.

The former is black and white. It makes their jobs easier and maximized their authority.

Because they're witnessing firsthand the issues that form their opinions. Why can't you agree to disagree, psycho?

Small government, more police. Nothing like a consistent strategy!

R8 educated cops need to be very careful. I know someone with a BA in English who joined NYPD (she wants to be a crime fiction writer) and she gets made fun of for using "big" words. Her nickname is "professor" and she only has a BA.

The unions represent the majority of officers, who are lower-level beat cops, many of whom are attracted to the job for reasons of power or control of others, the ability to carry and use weapons, the desire to harm and punish people they view as bad, etc. Street cops are one profession other than the military authorized to kill and maim, so just by the nature of the job any union is going to be focused on deadly and violent events. Street cops are dealing with the most ill, poor, and violent parts of humanity, so if they come into the job with a black and white attitude about bad vs good people or normal vs sick people, they are bound to harden those attitudes after seeing so many terrible circumstances. Unions are there to serve and defend their members, not as an independent evaluation of their members.

If you are pro-union, you could argue the police unions are doing their jobs by defending officers. What’s wrong here is the control the unions seem to have around state government—it is totally out of balance. If states had much harsher rules and requirements for police forces, the unions wouldn’t seem as sinister…

The NY teachers union is the same R14. So over protective that bad teachers can never be fired and read in the rubber rooms while being paid.

R1, I could say the same thing about Teacher's Unions. Why are they come across as Marxists or psychotics?

My Union is full of nutjobs as well.

R2, there was actually one jurisdiction that had a maximum IQ that they’d hire police officers because they didn’t want the smart people they hired to eventually leave for a better job.

The ironic thing is that repigs would happily bust all unions & reduce the otherwise very good benefits cops have. But instead, unions stand in the way of even basic, common sense changes like getting rid of bad cops.

They give veterans hiring priority.

R17 Don't make up stupid stuff

Because they’re comprised of mostly white straight men. Period.

I'm not R17 and I thought this was BS as well, but it's true. And it appears to be legal to discriminate against someone with a too-high IQ and weed out high turnover (quit rate).

[quote] Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.

[quote] Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law. But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.

Because people from the same backgrounds become cops or thugs, so the former need that power of control to make up for their loss of the power of freedom to ignore the law.

Yes my friend in the NYPD with a BA from NYU has to "play dumb" to survive and avoid getting sent to internal affairs.

They’ve been overtaken by white nationalist terrorists. All of their mistreatment of POC is happening for a reason. Even cities like Philadelphia, who has a black woman for a police commissioner, is powerless to stop them. They are basically modern day Brownshirts. The only way to stop them is to infiltrate them and that’s impossible to do.

R26, today an new NYPD hire has to have at least two years of college.

A couple of the Capitol insurrectionists were in law enforcement. How fucking dumb and disrespectful.

To put it simply it's all because of the types of people cops have to deal with day in and day out. I think they eventually (if they're not already) become very close minded and hateful against people they consider low class.

R28, that's part of it, but it doesn't explain certain aspects of personality coming in, before you even start interacting with people on the streets.

I worked in law enforcement and it has made me a lot more suspicious. I am always watchful of my personal possessions, locks, etc. Also, when I go to places where a crime has occurred, I look at it like a crime scene.

License to kill.

Mostly sickos born to be the kind of ppl who get off on having a uniform, a badge, a gun and power that life would never give them any other way.

Yes, some people choose the profession because they want to be able to have power over other people. These are the cops who should be weeded out when they're at the police academy, but it takes something really bad to get someone kicked out of those academies. Overtly racist, no problem. Homophobic, no problem. Known wife beater, no problem. Too many cops have the attitude that they should protect each other no matter what they're caught doing. That comes from the top. Weed out the bad leaders first and then start on the lower ranks.

Qualified immunity is bullshit. No one should be above the law.

America is a giant penal colony. Catch minor criminals, jail em, try em, jail em, never let em go. To protect and serve, maskless and unvaccinated.

Here'a a bit of relevant knowledge about police history from the Emmy Award winning Amber Ruffin Show.

[quote] today an new NYPD hire has to have at least two years of college.

R26 These kids are not dropping out of Harvard to join NYPD. Do you know the quality of many online AA degree programs? hint - it's not great.

[quote] Do you know the quality of many online AA degree programs? hint - it's not great.

It's a nice start and will, indeed, weed out the bottom of the barrel.

They are recruited from the same socioeconomic class as the average deplorable.

Many of them turned to right wing advocacy after they had experienced the job, especially in regard to the black community. I would say that there are many more right wingers who are police in the inner city than there are in the suburbs. Experience tends to shape attitudes.

Police tend to be from the Trumpist sweet spot--affluent blue collar.

Police jobs pay pretty well with overtime plus most of them have a game plan wherein they retire after 20-25 years while they are still in their 40s, receiv a full pension, and then go on to start another business, be it related (security) or unrelated (pool maintenance)

But although their incomes are pretty good, they feel looked down on and disrespected by the upper middle class meritocrats who tend to treat them like Staff and with whom there are clear class differences (accent, attire). Because they are dealing with crime in inner city neighborhoods they have what they feel is a realistic view of the problems of POC and feel that criminals are coddled by clueless White Meritocrat Liberals.

Short answer: American fascism. The cops are our Gestapo; murderous thugs drunk on rage-fueled power trips. There are **literal** Nazis in big city police departments.

Yes, after they squeeze out every possible entitlement by gaming the system they ratchet up their racism and resentment of poor people who try to do the same. For 2 years I worked on a security project that was nearly all retired military and cops. These are the laziest, most entitled, hyper sensitive flowers you could possibly imagine.

One example out of THOUSANDS you could easily find.

r39, Yeah, you would say that without backing it up with a single fact.

I read R39's post and suddenly every dog within a mile of me started barking furiously.

"Right wing advocacy." That's a funny way to describe a Klan meeting.

FTP…Ice-T called it.

R46, so did the Rolling Stones: "Every copy is a criminal".

The KKK practically died out as the police force started growing.

R48 Is this some “whites are the master race” bullshit?

R47 should refer to "every cop", not "copy" (obviously, I hope).

R48, you should be embarrassed. Good lord.

This is exactly why I've never kissed the asses of "service" people of any form. Police fire fighter military etc. I've always known beneath their titles and the jobs they do, they're straight up garbage trash people, not worth the praise they receive. Not even a little bit!

Even the republican party have dropped the pretense that they care about these filthy assholes after January 6th. They never cared about the police military or fire fighters. They only pander to them because they know that's their dumbass base, and they have real disdain for them on a personal level.

I will never participate in the worship porn of service people in anyway shape or form. Those people are some of the lowest form of life in society not worth being respected an once. They tend to be the absolute worst living amongst us. They are nothing but servants and I mean that in the most derogatory of ways. This doesn't include the truly good ones who are actually there to serve the public and community they serve. I'm talking about the ones who are truly awful people.

Law enforcement is nothing but a criminal enterprise, with the lowest rungs of society working within its ranks.

[quote] Police tend to be from the Trumpist sweet spot--affluent blue collar. Police jobs pay pretty well

I don't think affluent would be correct. Also, police are usually paid through the city or county governments. Pay can range based on your geographical area and how much is budgeted towards police.

[quote]I will never participate in the worship porn of service people in anyway shape or form. Those people are some of the lowest form of life in society not worth being respected an once. They tend to be the absolute worst living amongst us. They are nothing but servants and I mean that in the most derogatory of ways. This doesn't include the truly good ones who are actually there to serve the public and community they serve. I'm talking about the ones who are truly awful people.

Likewise, I will never participate in the worship porn of black victims of police brutality such as George Floyd and Breonna Taylor or Jacob Blake. Those people were also some of the lowest form of life. Breonna Taylor should be held up as an example of what happens when you don’t have higher standards for the men you date. If we’re supposed to believe her life mattered, then she has to believe that she matters enough that she deserves better than the gangster drug dealing guys she was dating.

I am not talking about victims like Tamir Rice or Philando Castile.

Breonna Taylor only dated one "thug" - and that relationship was over a month or so before her shooting. Long before the no-know warrant was issued for her address. If we were all blamed for making a poor choice in a sexual partner, we'd all be in prison.

Why for the love of all that is holy R56, do you feel the need to answer an obvious troll?

Their actions hurt black men and women who don’t commit crime.

Policeman is among the best positions that just a high school graduate can get.

Less educated whites tend to be conservative.

[quote] Likewise, I will never participate in the worship porn of black victims of police brutality such as George Floyd and Breonna Taylor or Jacob Blake. Those people were also some of the lowest form of life.

Being the "lowest form of life" doesn't warrant the death penalty by cop.

You sound just like a Nazi trying to justify the Holocaust

R50, by posting this 💩 r48 disproves the theory that white people are the master race.

R61 is the woman in the video racist?

R60, no it doesn’t, but at the same time, we’ve got more important and more innocent people to be concerned about, like black children getting shot in black neighborhoods.

[quote] by posting this 💩 [R48] disproves the theory that white people are the master race.

One trip to Walmart and you'll see how quickly we can disprove the white people are the master race nonsense.

[quote] but at the same time, we’ve got more important and more innocent people to be concerned about, like black children getting shot in black neighborhoods.

you don't care about that at all, do you?

R65, I probably care more about that than YOU do. At the same time, as a white male, I acknowledge that it’s not a problem that affects MY life because I live in a safe neighborhood with little to no crime. I have little need for the police. As a rich white male, it would be easy for me to signal my nobless oblige and say, “Defund the police! Hell, Abolish the Police! Poor George Floyd and Breonna Taylor! Black Lives Matter!” What consequence would it be to me or my neighborhood safety to abolish the police? It’s something I can afford to support because it’s of no consequence to me. Black neighborhoods on the other hand, well….

Middling-to-low intelligence; conservative/hate change; religious; bigoted...

The woman in R48 says in the video I linked below at 28:27 that the whitey ain't so bright after all. So R50 is wrong with their assumption but with that they seem to be a good example of the woman's concern that the whites have become ignorant and low iq.

Fun fact: many police unions call themselves "fraternal brotherhood etc" because historically the cops beat up union members. They have always been the establishment's attack dogs. They are refusing vaccination because right-wing nutjobs are drawn to a job where you can hurt other people.

They haven't even said shit about January 6th. Now imagine if all of those cops were beaten/injured by BLM or "ANTIFA."'

Why anyone would have a discourse about anything with that piece of shit Jared Taylor boggles the imagination. You can’t change the mind of white trash garbage like that. It’s like blowing on a brick wall expecting it to eventually fall down…

R63 What about all the white kids getting shot up by other white kids, or the rampant sexual abuse of white women on college campuses by white men, or the meth and opioid epidemic in white communities. I’m sure those issues affect your life more.

R72, what about them? The topic is worship of the police and worship of the lowest victims.

R73 The topic is “ Why are police unions so psychotically right wing?” Somebody said they didn’t worship them, and you had to voice your shitty opinion about how you don’t worship victims of police brutality, which was nowhere close to what the thread was about. But I guess anytime you can dog whistle your racism is a good time.

R74, well, worshipping victims of police brutality IS analogous to worshipping police, just on opposite sides of the spectrum.

Police maybe dumb and assholes, but… we still NEED them as they serve a valuable function in society. We don’t need the people who contribute to their own escalation with the police. Frankly, I blame George Floyd for the riots just as much as I blame Derek Chauvin.

R72

Why are teacher unions so liberal left ?

Because they're educated, R78. Unlike police unions that have the audacity to claim to believe in law and order, meanwhile, they worship corrupt, scheming filth like Trump.

NYPD and FDNY have now shut down the Brooklyn Bridge.

And it looks to be coordinated with Chicago PD

“Good ol’ boy system”: Dozens of current and former troopers tell @AP the Louisiana State Police is plagued by a culture of impunity, nepotism and in some cases outright racism.

[quote] within weeks of arriving at the Louisiana State Police training academy in Baton Rouge, instructors pegged Brown as trouble. One wrote that he was an arrogant, chronic rule breaker with “toxic” character traits that should disqualify him from ever joining the state’s elite law enforcement agency.

[quote] Fortunately for Brown, the state police was known as a place where who you knew often trumped what you did, and where most introductory chats eventually got around to a simple question: Who’s your daddy?

[quote] Jacob Brown is the son of Bob Brown, then part of the state police’s top brass who would rise to second in command despite being reprimanded years earlier for calling Black colleagues the n-word and hanging a Confederate flag in his office. And the son would not only become a “legacy hire” but prove his instructors prophetic by becoming one of the most violent troopers in the state, reserving most of his punches, flashlight strikes and kicks for the Black drivers he pulled over along the soybean and cotton fields near where he grew up.

[...]

[quote] “If you’re a part of the good ol’ boy system, there’s no wrong you can do,” said Carl Cavalier, a Black state trooper who was once decorated for valor but recently fired in part for criticizing the agency’s handling of brutality cases.

[quote] It’s an us-versus-them culture, they say, in which many troopers and higher-ups are more interested in covering for each other than living up to the agency’s image of honor, duty, courage and “doing the right thing.”

R80, and keep in mind that if any of those selfish, irresponsible motherfuckers gets sick from Covid, they expect taxpayers to pay for their Covid-related illness.

This is where Dems are fucking weak. There needs to be a renegotiation of their contracts. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for them or their fucking families if any of them get sick from Covid. It's on them to pay if they don't want to get vaccinated.

Covid19 is the leading cause of death in police forces across the country 5 times the rate of getting killed in line of duty.

If you die of covid apparently its the same as being KIA !

Why unvaccinated police officers who die from covid would receive full benefits when they were among the first to be offered the vaccine is what's criminal.

I LOVE that this came out of their own Staten Island Supreme Court.

Fuck the police 👮‍♀️

[quote} Fuck the police

ONLY if it's Bobby Cannavale

[bold] City workers are required to get vaccinated against COVID-19 by Nov. 1 or risk losing their jobs. [/bold]

[quote] "This is a personal choice everyone wants to make for themselves," Andrew Ansbro, president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, told Fox News. He said the union plans to file a lawsuit over the mandate.

[quote] Ansbro, who said he is vaccinated himself, said that up to 45% of the New York City's Fire Department could lose their jobs over the vaccine mandate.

[quote] He estimated that around 70% of the department's workers contracted the coronavirus during the pandemic. He said that with more than half of the department's firefighters vaccinated and a large portion having had the virus before, that they "are covered" and protected from the coronavirus.

Most likely right wing because they don't like the idea of defunding the police from the left.

^^^ Some seem to think that if they listen to what the police are saying about themselves:

[quote] “I think some of the prevailing issues that have obviously caused the mass exodus of police, particularly in Asheville, have to do with a general feeling among officers that there's a lack of support, not necessarily from the community so much, but from City Council,” Tullis said.

But

[quote] “Please note that my office prosecuted an APD officer for alleged unlawful on-duty conduct after APD fired that officer for that conduct – former APD Officer Sorangelo," Todd Williams, Buncombe County district attorney, wrote in a statement to the Citizen Times.

[quote] "In response, the PBA (Police Benevolent Association) threatened to sue me personally. That threat from the PBA could provide insight into this PBA chapter's position on acceptable behavior of law enforcement officers.”

In this case the union went nuts because the city fired a cop for punching a handcuffed man in the face. On top of that, the cop was promptly hired by another department.

A fundamental problem is that police do not believe they are subject to democratic control and accountability and any attempts at such are thwarted by outsized union pressure and a culture of protectionism.

Trash throwing trash (and chanting "let's go, Brandon") during the vaccine mandate protest in front of NYC mayoral residence.

These fuckers really want it both ways. They don't want the mandate, but they want us to pay for their medical needs and those of their families if they catch covid.

OP, do you actually expect the police to be on the right side of any social issue? Cops are scum.

[quote] The NYPD is planning a two-day retirement fair at police headquarters for what could be a surge of cops who’d rather end their careers than take the COVID shot.

[quote] The police Pension Fund will set up shop Friday and Sunday in the auditorium of 1 Police Plaza in Downtown Manhattan to process paperwork for cops “who wish to retire due to the vaccine mandates,” according to a pair of administrative memos sent out Thursday.

[quote] Friday’s event will cover officers who have 20 years or more on the job and want to retire with their full pension, while Sunday’s event will handle cops with between five and 20 years on the job.

(I guess they're all too busy going to mass on Saturday?)

I forget, have we explored the mafia angle yet?

[quote] Baca, a 21-year veteran of the Inglewood Police Department who serves as their police union representative, was accused of delivering cocaine to a “witness cooperating with law enforcement” on April 29 and May 4, with the second transaction including the exchange of about 1 kilogram of cocaine for $22,000 in cash, according to the DOJ release.

So, from what I understand from a cursory reading, his father was a (or the) cop who facilitated the gang infiltration of the LA County Sheriff's Dept., and he himself has some assault charges, in addition to shooting an unarmed homeless man 47 times in 2008...

Ryan is the only officer who's been disciplined for conduct tied to riots last summer, for talking to a GQ journalist w/o permission.

She quit MPD last week and filed a complaint w the state on the way out alleging anti-gay discrimination.

State sanctioned extortionist

[quote] Harold Brown’s contribution to the local treasury began as so many others have in Valley Brook, Okla.: A police officer saw that the light above his license plate was out.

[quote] “You pulled me over for that? Come on, man,” said Mr. Brown, a security guard headed home from work at 1:30 a.m. Expressing his annoyance was all it took. The officer yelled at Mr. Brown, ordered him out of the car and threw him to the pavement.

[quote] After a trip to jail that night in 2018, hands cuffed and blood running down his face onto his uniform, Mr. Brown eventually arrived at the crux of the matter: Valley Brook wanted $800 in fines and fees. It was a fraction of the roughly $1 million that the town of about 870 people collects each year from traffic cases.

[...]

[quote] Mayors of predominantly white suburbs in Ohio, for example, defended the ticket-blitzing of Black drivers from Cleveland as an acceptable, if unfortunate, side effect of vigorously patrolling brief sections of interstates within their borders.

[quote] Some officers in Oklahoma, insistent that public safety is their goal, no longer cite drunken motorists for driving under the influence, and instead issue less-serious tickets that keep the drivers out of district court and generate more money for the town.

[quote] And in a small Virginia town last December, just days after the police threatened and pepper-sprayed a Black and Latino Army lieutenant, Caron Nazario, over a license plate infraction — body-camera video released in April would elicit public outrage — elected officials questioned the chief on why ticket revenue was down for the year. He later reminded his officers to issue at least “two tickets per hour” during federally funded patrols.

Some members of the Philadelphia Police Department still think that Frank Rizzo is still in charge. That guido scumbag knew where they buried the bodies; he helped kill them.