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“DUNE” (1984) is a terrible film

There, I said it!

I don’t know how this film has a cult following, it’s so fucking bad, and not even in a fun way. The story isn’t as interesting as they try to make it seem it is, the actual source material would work better as a series than a movie, but it still sucks.

It’s a bunch of speeches, voice overs, wacky dialogue, and whispering. Omg I can’t take all the whispering the actor who does the voiceover does. His voice is grating to my ears.

It’s laughably bad. I am watching it right now and confused how some people love this.

I have low expectations for the new one.

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by Anonymousreply 71October 23, 2021 7:23 AM

I liked the film. But then I had read the book.

Best part was the Heighliner scene with the Spacing Guild creatures.

by Anonymousreply 1October 19, 2021 11:24 PM

It's high camp. Played totally seriously, even when the special effects were laughable or the dialogue turgid. And Kyle MacLachlan at a young peak of beauty.

Glorious fun.

by Anonymousreply 2October 19, 2021 11:25 PM

OP It gave me a headache. It's awful!

by Anonymousreply 3October 19, 2021 11:34 PM

Op's water is foul and putrid

by Anonymousreply 4October 19, 2021 11:37 PM

The first 30 minutes or so are a masterpiece and then it collapses into a turgid mess. But Kyle is angelically beautiful, the cast is never less than fully committed and the score is magnificent.

The first scene, where the Emperor and the Guild Navigator have their vile conversation, is still one of the the creepiest moments in science fiction film; note how planet Gedi Prime appears to be Earth with a ring and that the location of the Imperial seat appears to be Saudi Arabia.

The bizarre fashions and freakish architecture also are surprisingly convincing.

by Anonymousreply 5October 19, 2021 11:39 PM

It's been decades since I've seen this film, but I always enjoyed Siân Phillips' performance, and love the character design. As for Mclachlan...I've never seen the appeal...in regard to his acting abilities or physical appearance (though his ass did look great in "Showgirls").

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by Anonymousreply 6October 19, 2021 11:42 PM

[quote] The first 30 minutes or so are a masterpiece and then it collapses into a turgid mess.

I agree - as soon as they get to Arrakis the film loses coherence.

by Anonymousreply 7October 19, 2021 11:42 PM

The sets are steam punk city!

by Anonymousreply 8October 19, 2021 11:43 PM

I think there are still brilliant tonal moments throughout, R7, but the film loses its eerie quality. And this may just be me, but the story overall seems a bit too close to purveying an theocratic-fascist ideal to be enjoyable on the face of it.

by Anonymousreply 9October 19, 2021 11:45 PM

It's a better film than the current version. More fun anyway.

by Anonymousreply 10October 20, 2021 12:23 AM

R10 please stop pretending you’ve seen it.

by Anonymousreply 11October 20, 2021 12:25 AM

I loved the film but I was in high school and hadn’t developed any taste

by Anonymousreply 12October 20, 2021 12:26 AM

I thought it was awful when I saw it. Had I not read the book many times over, I would have been completely lost.

I said in another Dune thread that this book will never be successful as a film.

by Anonymousreply 13October 20, 2021 12:26 AM

LINDA HUNT (hissing): "I am the Shadout Mapes -- THE HOUSEKEEPER!"

Every single gay man in the theater I saw this in applauded that line.

by Anonymousreply 14October 20, 2021 12:31 AM

We loved it back in the olden days because.

1. We could take drugs in the movie theatre.

2. One of the actors shows off his buttocks— and we were STARVED for erotica back in those olden days.

by Anonymousreply 15October 20, 2021 12:38 AM

Poorly cast too.

by Anonymousreply 16October 20, 2021 12:40 AM

There was scary monster which looked like a mega bowel movement in a big Victorian-style glass tank.

by Anonymousreply 17October 20, 2021 12:41 AM

[quote] Poorly cast too.

I thought it was well cast, but the direction and story were lacking.

by Anonymousreply 18October 20, 2021 1:03 AM

Spacing Guild

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by Anonymousreply 19October 20, 2021 1:04 AM

Casted

by Anonymousreply 20October 20, 2021 1:04 AM

I love the name " Atreides".

I wanted to adopt as my name and I'm not in any way Greek.

by Anonymousreply 21October 20, 2021 1:06 AM

The movie is confusing as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 22October 20, 2021 1:11 AM

The navigator is a huge ugly vagina. Hideous.

by Anonymousreply 23October 20, 2021 1:11 AM

[quote] I'm not in any way Greek.

Neither Paul nor the Duke were Greek so adopt away! For all you know you may be the first in the line of Atreides.

by Anonymousreply 24October 20, 2021 1:13 AM

The voiceovers revealing the characters' thoughts were so awful. Were they in the original screenplay?

by Anonymousreply 25October 20, 2021 1:15 AM

"DUNE" (1984) is a wonderful film

by Anonymousreply 26October 20, 2021 1:21 AM

[quote] Neither Paul nor the Duke were Greek

The Atreides line goes back to Imperial Rome

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by Anonymousreply 27October 20, 2021 1:27 AM

It was worth it for the weird visuals, by 1984 standards it was top shelf stuff.

by Anonymousreply 28October 20, 2021 1:45 AM

Has anyone seen the Jodorowsky Dune doc? His vision sounds insane in the best way! Salvador Dali, Mick Jagger, Udo Kier, Orson Welles, and music by Pink Floyd.

by Anonymousreply 29October 20, 2021 1:50 AM

Wasn’t there a mini-series in 2000?

by Anonymousreply 30October 20, 2021 1:52 AM

^

yes, starring pretty Matt Keeslar.

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by Anonymousreply 31October 20, 2021 2:07 AM

Of course the real star of Dune is the pug...

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by Anonymousreply 32October 20, 2021 2:26 AM

The film itself is appreciated for the sum of its parts not the movie itself which is a bit of a mess -but it has great camp value. I probably would never watch Villaneuve's Dune again but this I'll catch on tv if I'm in the mood.

by Anonymousreply 33October 20, 2021 2:40 AM

[quote] “DUNE” (1984) is a terrible film

Of course it was terrible, it was made by that pretentious wanker named David Lynch.

Lynch is a as much a pretentious wanker as Michelangelo Antonioni.

by Anonymousreply 34October 20, 2021 5:35 AM

R34 sorry but the book is lame too.

by Anonymousreply 35October 20, 2021 12:07 PM

I loved the complexity of the movie— which was likely just terrible story telling, making it seem complex

by Anonymousreply 36October 20, 2021 12:57 PM

Sting looked so much better with his clothes on

by Anonymousreply 37October 20, 2021 12:58 PM

Interesting that the movie used so many terms that describe Afghani fighters

by Anonymousreply 38October 20, 2021 12:58 PM

The imperial warship as a great Art Deco geometric triangle- what’s not to love? The visuals are outrageous.

by Anonymousreply 39October 20, 2021 1:08 PM

I wanted to like it. I was going to be the one who liked it and feel all wise and superior. But it was not good. Lynch bit off more than he could chew. The special f/x were cheesy and too many looong silent sequences that were okay for Eraserhead but not this.

But: I still think it could be re-edited into a decent movie (unlike Heaven's Gate, which is hopeless).

Lynch's black comedy style clashed with sci-fi. His career took a blow and he only recovered with The Elephant Man.

by Anonymousreply 40October 20, 2021 1:21 PM

[quote]It's a better film than the current version. More fun anyway.

The 1984 version is a mess but it has verve. The current one doesn't.

by Anonymousreply 41October 20, 2021 1:43 PM

The current one has been seen by almost no one as it’s not out yet.

by Anonymousreply 42October 20, 2021 1:46 PM

It leaked on the torrent sites over the weekend, and it's been been out overseas for weeks. Plenty of people (including me) HAVE already seen it.

by Anonymousreply 43October 20, 2021 1:48 PM

R43 I’m sure….

by Anonymousreply 44October 20, 2021 1:49 PM

Sorry you've already been left behind, R43. DLers have been talking about it on the other thread since the leak. I have no reason to lie to randos, but if it comforts you to think no one has seen it, go on.

by Anonymousreply 45October 20, 2021 1:53 PM

Does anyone remember the TV edit (Lynch not involved), which added about 60 more minutes of footage back into the movie?

DUNE, which is the most turgid novel ever written by someone not named Ayn Rand, defeats everyone who tries to adapt it.

by Anonymousreply 46October 20, 2021 2:08 PM

There's some info about alternate versions/edits at the link.

There's also a fan edit on YT with some of that footage included.

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by Anonymousreply 47October 20, 2021 2:47 PM

I mean, who doesn't love a levitating homosexual vampire hellbent on taking control of the known universe?

by Anonymousreply 48October 20, 2021 3:56 PM

Dune was just featured at the Chicago Film Fest. The people I know who saw it (film buffs who see all the CFF films), loved it.

by Anonymousreply 49October 20, 2021 4:31 PM

Not for OP.

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by Anonymousreply 50October 20, 2021 5:56 PM

Here's the link to the fan edit which includes the TV edits and few more scenes. The plot is a bit more coherent for those who haven't read the books or care to.

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by Anonymousreply 51October 20, 2021 6:03 PM

Okay, watched Dune.

It was okay. Had awesome visuals. Wasn't as miscast as I had feared. I would have done away with Chalomet and Mamoa. Mamoa should never be given a speaking part outside of a comic book movie --- he's a piss poor actor and he mumbles. Chalomet wasn't awful...just terribly one dimensional. He was the weakest compared to everyone but Mamoa.

I was hoping it would end soon about halfway through. Good first half and then it just slogged along...and this was just part 1 🥺.

Really, really weird thing and I don't think they thought this through...the Fremen are all POC so it makes Paul Atredies comes across as a white savior. 😮😂. Liat Kynes was perfectly cast though.

The perfect Dune would combine the visual elements of this and Lynch's with the script of the 2000 miniseries and more diverse Fremen.

by Anonymousreply 52October 22, 2021 4:06 AM

Okay, watched Dune.

It was okay. Had awesome visuals. Wasn't as miscast as I had feared. I would have done away with Chalomet and Mamoa. Mamoa should never be given a speaking part outside of a comic book movie --- he's a piss poor actor and he mumbles. Chalomet wasn't awful...just terribly one dimensional. He was the weakest compared to everyone but Mamoa.

I was hoping it would end soon about halfway through. Good first half and then it just slogged along...and this was just part 1 🥺.

Really, really weird thing and I don't think they thought this through...the Fremen are all POC so it makes Paul Atredies comes across as a white savior. 😮😂. Liat Kynes was perfectly cast though.

The perfect Dune would combine the visual elements of this and Lynch's with the script of the 2000 miniseries and more diverse Fremen.

by Anonymousreply 53October 22, 2021 4:06 AM

You forgot Sting talking to a giant vagina

by Anonymousreply 54October 22, 2021 4:09 AM

I just watched it and Chalamet is terrific. His facial expressions, his tone, his ability to convey emotion through his eyes… he was great. Anyone hating on his performance is just hating to hate. Grow up. You’re old men.

by Anonymousreply 55October 22, 2021 4:15 AM

[quote]You’re old men

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 56October 22, 2021 4:18 AM

[quote] His career took a blow and he only recovered with The Elephant Man

The Elephant Man came a year or two before Dune. Lynch bounce backed very quickly with Blue Velvet.

by Anonymousreply 57October 22, 2021 4:25 AM

I watched the first 30 minutes on HBO Max and it’s a snooze. Miss Timotay Chalamet is a mumble sporting an Anne Frank hairstyle. Color me bored.

by Anonymousreply 58October 22, 2021 4:28 AM

I’m liking the new one. Surprisingly. I hated the 1984 movie and find the book ridiculous

by Anonymousreply 59October 22, 2021 4:29 AM

It tries to be a Star Wars but it’s a weird combination of serious and dumb action scenes. Jason Mamoa is actually the best actor in the film.

by Anonymousreply 60October 22, 2021 6:40 AM

That huge blond vagina is revolting.

by Anonymousreply 61October 23, 2021 12:58 AM

Shut up or I'll sue you and Whoopi and Joy.

by Anonymousreply 62October 23, 2021 3:37 AM

It’s unfortunate that Timotay is so miscast. He is more frail than anyone I can think of.

by Anonymousreply 63October 23, 2021 3:41 AM

Chalamet is perfectly cast. Paul is a teenager and is slight and Chalamet looks young. Ironically he and Kyle MacLachlan were both around 24 when they played Paul. I prefer Kyle but TC is closer to the book's description.

by Anonymousreply 64October 23, 2021 4:48 AM

R64 Is he described as dull, lifeless, bland, monotone?

by Anonymousreply 65October 23, 2021 4:50 AM

[quote] Chalamet is perfectly cast. Paul is a teenager and is slight and Chalamet looks young.

Is Paul also untalented actor, and does his hair keeps falling in his face?

by Anonymousreply 66October 23, 2021 4:56 AM

Aren't you trolling the wrong thread?

by Anonymousreply 67October 23, 2021 4:56 AM

[quote] Anyone hating on his performance is just hating to hate. Grow up.

That's telling 'em, Fourteen-Year-Old Girl!

by Anonymousreply 68October 23, 2021 4:58 AM

I shall troll Tim-meeee on ALL threads!

by Anonymousreply 69October 23, 2021 4:59 AM

Timotay is embarrassing in fight scenes or anything an athletic actor could do

by Anonymousreply 70October 23, 2021 7:14 AM

R70 That walking on the sand scene is golden.

by Anonymousreply 71October 23, 2021 7:23 AM
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