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They fled L.A. for Joshua Tree during the pandemic.

Now they face the reality of desert life.

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by Anonymousreply 145November 3, 2021 12:42 AM

Grabs popcorn.

by Anonymousreply 1October 19, 2021 9:16 PM

LA Times is paywalled

by Anonymousreply 2October 19, 2021 9:17 PM

Paywall fail.

If you think I’m signing up for the dog trainer just for that, lol.

by Anonymousreply 3October 19, 2021 9:17 PM

Here you go.

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by Anonymousreply 4October 19, 2021 9:18 PM

[quote] But that’s part of coming out here. We’re all kind of frontier people.

Oh lord. 🙄

by Anonymousreply 5October 19, 2021 9:30 PM

If you're using Firefox, you can generally read paywalled articles (although without the photos) by hitting the Reader View icon in the address bar. There might be something similar on other browsers.

by Anonymousreply 6October 19, 2021 9:34 PM

[quote] “The cold, the heat, the bitter dryness — it’s on the extreme,”

You think?

by Anonymousreply 7October 19, 2021 9:38 PM

[quote]Sarah Scott Alperin, an intimacy coordinator who assists TV and film productions in safely filming intimate scenes

Way to turn that Bennington degree into a career!

by Anonymousreply 8October 19, 2021 9:42 PM

Cue mass migration back to the big cities.

The great thing is that these types will always cluster back to LA, SF, NYC, etc., making them easy to avoid.

by Anonymousreply 9October 19, 2021 9:45 PM

After reading the article, please excuse me. I need to go vomit profusely.

by Anonymousreply 10October 19, 2021 9:47 PM

Once you leave any of the big cities, good luck trying to house and buy your way back in.

by Anonymousreply 11October 19, 2021 9:47 PM

Since I can’t read the article, can someone post what this couple was missing?

Access to water?

Conveniences such as grocery stores, medical care?


Internet connection?

Did I miss anything?

by Anonymousreply 12October 19, 2021 9:50 PM

Basically no cafes and turns out not everyone is a millennial upper middle class moron.

by Anonymousreply 13October 19, 2021 10:16 PM

R12 The article is free at R4

by Anonymousreply 14October 19, 2021 10:20 PM

[quote]“One day, we were in the pool and there was this huge owl, and it just like swept down and looked like a huge, silent airplane. It was just, like, so majestic”

I love California - too bad it’s so full of, like, Californians.

by Anonymousreply 15October 19, 2021 10:22 PM

I went to Joshua Tree, and then I died.

by Anonymousreply 16October 19, 2021 10:52 PM

Aren't those desert towns flooded with meth?

by Anonymousreply 17October 19, 2021 10:58 PM

[R15], that quote about the owl could have come straight out of the mouth of Lavinia Williams, one of the two female lead characters in the book "Social Creature," wh. I rec'd a copy of in 2018 from a friend, because he liked the cover! I've read it about 15 times.

I don't know if Muriel allows us to print an author's name without arranging for a limb to be accidentally lost. And since I use all four of my limbs regularly, I'll refrain. But the book rivets on the use of social media to record everything and anything one does.

by Anonymousreply 18October 19, 2021 11:04 PM

R17, there are many unsavory types of people up in those desert communities. I do believe a few towns like Joshua Tree and Yucca Valley have or have at least tried to reinvent themselves as hippie-artist and vacation rental home destinations.

by Anonymousreply 19October 19, 2021 11:47 PM

This is a bullshit recycled real estate story. I live in the Hamptons & they recycle this story here all the time.

Hamptons inundated with city families fear post 9/11 NYC!!!

NYers flee Manhattan Climate Change After Sandy!!

NYers run from Covid to the Hamptons, buying up & renting all property Food shortages!

Name a disaster, The NY Times finds one or two families who decided to leave the city and go to the Hamptons, or upstate or to CT. They call their realtor friends and say, “We’re doing a story about NYers fleeing the latest crisis. Have you got anyone we can interview?”

“Sure, I’ll call you back after I talk to someone who moved out here, or someone who is thinking of spending a year at their summer house.. Oh, btw, are you doing another ‘Hudson NY Is The Next Brooklyn”article any time soon? We got us an artist who moved out of NYC and she’ll last about 18 months before going back, so keep her in mind if you want to do an interview before she realizes what a mistake she made.”

by Anonymousreply 20October 19, 2021 11:57 PM

At least they didn't buy a ghost town and get stranded there for months.

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by Anonymousreply 21October 20, 2021 12:31 AM

The desert ain't the million dollar fancy Hamptons, sweetheart. You don't wanna get lost in them mountains come nightfall.

by Anonymousreply 22October 20, 2021 12:37 AM

The desert is attracting "intimacy coordinators".

by Anonymousreply 23October 20, 2021 12:42 AM

Give em a fucking break, they're like pioneers. I do love hearing about their like rat problems.

by Anonymousreply 24October 20, 2021 12:45 AM

That guy has a pretty popular Youtube channel, R21.

by Anonymousreply 25October 20, 2021 12:47 AM

Thank you R6!!!! I use Firefox and had no idea.

by Anonymousreply 26October 20, 2021 1:02 AM

[quote]too bad it’s so full of, like, Californians.

A lot of the 'Californians' you're referring to aren't California natives.

by Anonymousreply 27October 20, 2021 1:04 AM

Being an intimacy coordinator in Hollywood sounds like an extremely fun job packed with drama and gossip…

I never feel more like these type of people than when I go on vacation, wake up in the morning, and think, “but where are there cappuccinos here?”

by Anonymousreply 28October 20, 2021 1:10 AM

There's no way I'd live in the desert with climate change.

by Anonymousreply 29October 20, 2021 1:55 AM

"Sarah Scott Alperin, an intimacy coordinator who assists TV and film productions in safely filming intimate scenes and who commutes to L.A. for work, said the couple moved just as others from Los Angeles began packing their bags."

I first learned about intimacy coordinators on High Maintenance. Good episode.

"Intimacy MUST be coordinated."

by Anonymousreply 30October 20, 2021 2:01 AM

There are no rats. The rattlesnakes ate them.

by Anonymousreply 31October 20, 2021 2:07 AM

I could never live in the desert. The dry climate would ravage my skin and cause horrifying dryness. My pearls would be ground to dust!

by Anonymousreply 32October 20, 2021 2:14 AM

"intimacy coordinator" sounds like someone you would hire to plan your orgy.

by Anonymousreply 33October 20, 2021 2:18 AM

R32, yeah, I'd rather not live somewhere where you have to shake out your shoes for scorpions.

by Anonymousreply 34October 20, 2021 2:18 AM

[A lot of the 'Californians' you're referring to aren't California natives.]

Maybe not, but they [bold] are [/bold] California residents.

by Anonymousreply 35October 20, 2021 2:32 AM

Guaranteed they only invite their LA friends “for the weekend” IS FOR THEM TO BRING SUPPLIES.

by Anonymousreply 36October 20, 2021 2:43 AM

You better really be into your partner and monogamy, because there's nobody to cheat with out there. You'd be surprised how many people don't think about that little fact until it's too late.

by Anonymousreply 37October 20, 2021 2:50 AM

I grew up in the burbs and moved to a city at 18. Mid-30s now, no interest in suburbia ever again.

by Anonymousreply 38October 20, 2021 2:54 AM

It's all about people with enough resources to make these choices.

by Anonymousreply 39October 20, 2021 2:59 AM

The single Cuban gal seems resourceful and happy with her choice.

by Anonymousreply 40October 20, 2021 3:35 AM

One of U2's greatest albums.

by Anonymousreply 41October 20, 2021 3:40 AM

This happened where I live: a high desert town in the NW. During the pandemic, houses were selling sight unseen, for double the prices. Those people, all from cities, or more progressive areas, woke up in a shithole with no restaurants, unless you like rural steakhouses, no shopping, unless you like Walmart, and very little to do, outside of the rodeo once a year.

Rural areas are good if you want to be left alone, but that's part of it: You have to leave the neighbors alone, too, no matter how you feel about what they are doing. People open carry and shoot guns, don't treat animals the same way as in the city (I had to get over this personally), and there is very little diversity, respect for that kind of thing, which I also don't appreciate, but they also leave me and my partner the hell alone.

by Anonymousreply 42October 20, 2021 3:50 AM

"Intimacy Coordinator".

Ok, I officially give the flying fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 43October 20, 2021 4:00 AM

R40: She's the only one I ended up liking too. I ended up wondering if she's les.

by Anonymousreply 44October 20, 2021 4:51 AM

It's boring as fuck in Palm Springs, and a shitton of people have gone THERE to live year round since the pandemic.

I can't imagine how fucking boring it would be in Joshua Tree.

The lesson many people have to keep learning is that "so relaxing on a vacation" doesn't often transfer to "practical place to live."

by Anonymousreply 45October 20, 2021 4:56 AM

R18 why wouldn't she? We have threads on books all the time.

by Anonymousreply 46October 20, 2021 4:57 AM

"The lesson many people have to keep learning is that "so relaxing on a vacation" doesn't often transfer to "practical place to live." "

This. Even places that aren't relaxing on vacation and that you simply like as a vacation destination might not be a place you want to live. I've visited Phoenix maybe 70 times between my grandparents and parents being snowbirds there - and I almost always have a good time in Phoenix metro. But, I'd never want to live there. I know this isn't exactly the same thing as moving to a non-amenity rural location, but again, the points overlap - something great in small amounts might not be if you had to experience it every day.

by Anonymousreply 47October 20, 2021 5:01 AM

they are trying to make this place happen.

by Anonymousreply 48October 20, 2021 5:04 AM

R45 A certain type of person can make it work. But not extroverts or people who need tons of cultural stimulation.

by Anonymousreply 49October 20, 2021 5:22 AM

So I'm thinking intimacy coordinator means she works in porn.

by Anonymousreply 50October 20, 2021 5:30 AM

Most sets require intimacy coordinators since #metoo to choreograph sex scenes and to make sure actresses are comfortable.

by Anonymousreply 51October 20, 2021 5:33 AM

I saw Julianne Moore in Pioneertown once. Seriously.

by Anonymousreply 52October 20, 2021 5:36 AM

"So I'm thinking intimacy coordinator means she works in porn."

They're common in mainstream filmmaking now - sex scenes, intimacy scenes (lying on the couch watching TV and cuddling), even something like a funeral scene with lots of people hugging and comforting each other. It's about safety in some circumstances, but also about making the scene realistic and/or visually appealing.

Again, when I watched that episode of High Maintenance that involved a plot with an intimacy coordinator I thought it was just made up, but it's real.

by Anonymousreply 53October 20, 2021 5:38 AM

[quote]I don't know if Muriel allows us to print an author's name without arranging for a limb to be accidentally lost.


by Anonymousreply 54October 20, 2021 5:42 AM

I left San Francisco for Albuquerque in 2000. These people wouldn't last 4 days here. There are "unsavory types" everywhere, which I'm assuming is poor people? Pretty much everyone then. The whole LA, Palm Springs, Burning Man, Bohemian thing just looks super corny to me. I get it, your wealthy and you are on Instagram for some reason, who cares? I just watched the movie"Palm Springs" - watched it on putlocker for free, and these people remind me of that movie. I also read their stupid story for free, thank you R4.

by Anonymousreply 55October 20, 2021 5:49 AM

Intimacy Coordinator? Pretty sure that is a euphemism for a pimp. I think she arranges bj's from crusty desert rats behind the film archive in Victorville.

by Anonymousreply 56October 20, 2021 5:52 AM

what grocery stores on there?

by Anonymousreply 57October 20, 2021 5:53 AM

they are pub articles about this place. AARP too.

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by Anonymousreply 58October 20, 2021 5:56 AM

I think there’s a Ralph’s in Yucca and Palm Springs is 30 minutes drive

by Anonymousreply 59October 20, 2021 5:56 AM

Intimacy coordinator is like a euphemistic way of saying a sensual masseuse or escort?

by Anonymousreply 60October 20, 2021 6:15 AM

[quote] There are "unsavory types" everywhere, which I'm assuming is poor people?

R30, nope -- try again. Meth-heads, bikers, survivalists, Trumpsters.

by Anonymousreply 61October 20, 2021 6:38 AM

I meant for R55.

by Anonymousreply 62October 20, 2021 6:39 AM

When you're out in the middle of nowhere, nobody can hear your screams.

by Anonymousreply 63October 20, 2021 6:43 AM

r61, oh, you mean my fellow desert folk? Albuquerque has all of them here in abundance, and they aren't just sprinkled onto the landscape like characters from central casting.

I have a Hispanic neighbor, got here from Mexico in the mid 1990's, who drives a 30 year old Toyota Camry with no passenger window where he proudly displays a confederate flag. A flagpole jutting out the passenger window. He's fucking confused.

I took a pic because my friends didn't believe me. He also has a full sized "Fuck Biden" flag on his yard. I live in a "nice" neighborhood here.

And the meth? Albuquerque and meth?

I think people who live in affluent enclaves have a hard time adjusting to any kind of "real" environment. It's just too harsh and ugly. Maybe cool for a selfie in front of some lowrider and graffitti, but they really need their pure goat milk cafes and shitty art gallery openings or they just feel left out and empty.

I assume at least half are trust fund babies of some kind?

by Anonymousreply 64October 20, 2021 7:02 AM

[quote]Intimacy Coordinator? Pretty sure that is a euphemism for a pimp. I think she arranges bj's from crusty desert rats behind the film archive in Victorville.

Could she arrange for me to blow her husband the bartender behind his gentrified saloon?

by Anonymousreply 65October 20, 2021 7:05 AM

“In Old Town Yucca Valley, we have had young people come and open up businesses,” he said. “There’s a boutique with organic wine and cheese and things like that where people can make a basket and go to the national park. Then they go next door to the gun studio and get a nice vintage revolver and shoot themselves in the head, because all of this is terrible. There is also a yoga studio, where young people can inhale their daily dose of wine mom yoga farts. It really is transforming into something awful."

by Anonymousreply 66October 20, 2021 7:07 AM

[quote]R23 The desert is attracting "intimacy coordinators".

This job title makes me think of a new age madam.

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by Anonymousreply 67October 20, 2021 7:13 AM

Nothing is more annoying than locals - in a town, city, or neighborhood - who think NOTHING should ever change, as if people don't have the right to live anywhere they want. And I'm saying this as someone who has lived in multiple neighborhoods that changed not to my liking. And I don't even think newcomers have to assimilate and "play by the rules." They have the right to try to change things if they want (many won't) -- though current residents have just a right to push back if they don't like it.

by Anonymousreply 68October 20, 2021 7:16 AM

Jeez, if they want a tamed desert go to one of a number of desert cities like Las Vegas. Otherwise, it is, well, the desert. Not a comfortable place, as in desert-ed.

by Anonymousreply 69October 20, 2021 7:28 AM

[quote] It's boring as fuck in Palm Springs, and a shitton of people have gone THERE to live year round since the pandemic. I can't imagine how fucking boring it would be in Joshua Tree.

Joshua Tree is the dystopian version of Palm Springs without the pools. At least Palm Springs is civilized by comparison. Gay bars, stores, entertainment, green lawns, everyone has a pool.

by Anonymousreply 70October 20, 2021 8:12 AM

[quote] As defined by SAG-AFTRA, an intimacy coordinator is “an advocate, a liaison between actors and production … in regard to nudity and simulated sex.” Most of their work is done during the shoot, choreographing intimate action, monitoring closed sets and working with costume on modesty garments and prosthetics. But coordinators are also involved in preproduction with filmmakers, planning the types of touching and exposure that will be permitted and managing nudity riders and actor concerns.

I see nothing wrong with this job. You hear horror stories about actors being touched more than they agreed to, unnecessary crew hanging around to watch a sex scene be filmed, etc etc

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by Anonymousreply 71October 20, 2021 9:01 AM

I find Jean Michel Alperin hot, so sue me

by Anonymousreply 72October 20, 2021 10:32 AM

If you're filming a sex scene the director is the person in charge. If you have a problem with it you don't do nudity and you don't do sex scenes. It's total bullshit. If you want to make an Andy Hardy film go back to 1938.

by Anonymousreply 73October 20, 2021 3:52 PM

[quote]If you're filming a sex scene the director is the person in charge.

Uh, yeah - welcome to 1938 indeed. Intimacy Coordinators are required on set now. The director does not have total control over sex/intimacy scenes anymore. This is a new era in film production. And it's not just about not doing nudity. Intimate scenes don't have to involve nudity.

R73 = Busby Berkley

by Anonymousreply 74October 20, 2021 4:00 PM

R73, we need to do something with all the failed actresses who refuse to call it quits. They can't all be Second Lady of the state. I'm sorry, First Partner.

by Anonymousreply 75October 20, 2021 4:02 PM

The best part of the article are all the Only-In-Los-Angeles jobs the people have.

Intimacy coordinator being the best along with vegan Cuban chef.

by Anonymousreply 76October 20, 2021 4:04 PM

It gets quite cold up there in the high desert in winter. I have spent Thanksgivings at that inn there that used to host a big Thanksgiving feast. Plenty of young jarheads in between meth heads, sex offenders and those stretching their SSI checks

by Anonymousreply 77October 20, 2021 4:13 PM

Then you don't do intimacy in films if you've got those kind of feelings. If the scene requires that kind of intimacy you refuse to do it. It's the whole conversation after sex where actors are coyly dressed with a woman covers her breast or gets out of bed wrapped in a sheet and a man has the sheet covered at the waste. If you are going to make love on camera make love don't play it like chess. Actors want to be honest but then they have to have an intimacy coordinator. It's laughable. The director should be the one in charge and you agree beforehand if you will do nudity or have a sex scene. It's like having an acting coach on set directing you usurping the director.

by Anonymousreply 78October 20, 2021 4:18 PM

The last thing i want to do is live in the desert like a snake

by Anonymousreply 79October 20, 2021 4:49 PM

[quote]R73 If you're filming a sex scene the director is the person in charge. If you have a problem with it you don't do nudity and you don't do sex scenes. It's total bullshit.

If you look at the bigger picture, the vast majority of directors are men, and the majority of nudity in film and TV falls on the (naked) shoulders of actresses. So to follow your logic, the law is “Strip and show your tits or you’re fired.”

Terrible work procedure, not to say experience.

by Anonymousreply 80October 20, 2021 5:36 PM

The high desert is the Kentucky of California. No thank you

by Anonymousreply 81October 20, 2021 6:16 PM

R64, interesting. Albuquerque definitely sounds like a place with a lot of color and character.

As for this particular area in Southern Cal, I'll just that I went to school near there for awhile, so I'm fairly acquainted with it. While this part of the desert has its own desolate beauty, I could never live there. The heat, alone, is just too extreme.

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by Anonymousreply 84October 20, 2021 8:07 PM

Bullshit, r78. Nudity/sex scenes need to be carefully blocked/filmed just like fight scenes. Do you think the director says "just strip and go at it" and let the camera film whatever?

by Anonymousreply 85October 20, 2021 8:14 PM

So the town is basically a wasteland for meth, porn, tourists who drive right through without stopping and dissatisfied Millennials.

by Anonymousreply 86October 20, 2021 10:14 PM

Palm Springs which is about an hour away looks like a thriving metropolis by comparison.

by Anonymousreply 87October 20, 2021 10:15 PM

R86. And it is close to one of the largest marine bases in the country, 29 Stumps.

by Anonymousreply 88October 20, 2021 10:18 PM

[quote] I grew up in the burbs and moved to a city at 18. Mid-30s now, no interest in suburbia ever again.

This is not really suburbia, though. No strip malls, no Starbucks, etc.

by Anonymousreply 89October 20, 2021 10:32 PM

[quote] The single Cuban gal seems resourceful and happy with her choice.

R40, did you catch that she still goes to the city every weekend to work?

by Anonymousreply 90October 20, 2021 10:33 PM

I do feel sorry for the locals.

Combination of 114 F heat, spotty power, and spotty internet = no way, for me.

by Anonymousreply 91October 20, 2021 10:38 PM

[quote] This happened where I live: a high desert town in the NW. During the pandemic, houses were selling sight unseen, for double the prices

Bullshit. This take is told all over the US “Houses are going like hot cakes! Double the price! Covid price wars!” Pure media (and real estate agent) fantasy, just like the supply chain crisis and the shortage of workers. The media pronounces it and everybody claims it happened right nearby, they heard all about it.

by Anonymousreply 92October 20, 2021 11:05 PM

The cities are emptying out! I read about 3 people who moved! They say on Facebook places are going sight unseen for a million dollars right over in Hooterville. Big time lawyers moving to the sticks to grow their own organic food. One of them bought the old Haney place just today.

by Anonymousreply 93October 20, 2021 11:12 PM

R86, in a nutshell, essentially yes.

by Anonymousreply 94October 20, 2021 11:35 PM

I've lived in the southwest for 30 years, and the hottest I've ever been is Needles CA, got out of the car and almost fainted, wall of heat like I was in a convetion oven. It was like 125 or something. I've spent summers in PHX. I asked the gas station cashier how he lives there, and he said "In AC, andat night." He said people mowed their lawns at 3AM. The HIGH desert also gets the freezing cold fucking mornings, with like a 60 degree temperature swing.

by Anonymousreply 95October 21, 2021 3:16 AM

Douche cunt white people trying to stay young and "hip." They really fuck up everything in Ca.

by Anonymousreply 96October 21, 2021 3:26 AM

One of the stupidest decisions people can make over the next few years is to move to the desert.

Potable water is already an huge issue across much of the world. California basically is always operating under drought conditions and water conservation orders.

I say, good luck with that.

by Anonymousreply 97October 21, 2021 3:27 AM

Most of the people I know who "left town" hid out with family or made use of a vacation/weekend home (usually small) that belonged to them or a family member. It mostly was temporary. The people who I knew about here in DC who moved didn't go to the country or even the suburbs, just some other metro area. Yes, there were people who truly up and left---you could find the occasional car that obviously left behind by some well-off, well-educated but basically stupid meathead who didn't take away identifying information. All you need are some dramatic anecdotes like this to call something a trend, even if its just a tiny percentage of the population.

by Anonymousreply 98October 21, 2021 3:49 AM

r98 What does leaving a car behind have to do with anything? Or ID information? Did I miss something?

by Anonymousreply 99October 21, 2021 5:02 AM

I shink the shtorie’sh shenshational!

by Anonymousreply 100October 21, 2021 6:52 AM

This is the type of desert hellscape where the Manson Family lived. No thanks!

by Anonymousreply 101October 21, 2021 11:44 AM

R99: You'd make the perfect over educated, but dense DCer. You leave behind a car, it's easy to trace ownership (card serial numbers, some people are dumb enough to leave license plates which can be stolen and used for stolen vehicles) when there are accumulated tickets, unpaid fees to parking lots, towing charges, etc. The cars can become public nuisances which also can lead to charges.

by Anonymousreply 102October 21, 2021 1:10 PM

R102, I think what the inquiring poster meant was why they would even leave their car, as if they were on the lam? If they moved to another area, wouldn't they take the car?

by Anonymousreply 103October 21, 2021 6:13 PM

Amazing how many people jumped on to this thread and questioned the job "intimacy coordinator" without 1) going to google first and 2) assuming, and sharing that assumption on this board, that it must mean porn, pimping, or escorting. The actual job is a bit of recent inside industry baseball, I'm just amazed at how many people here share whatever the fuck comes into their heads and feel the need to dump it off here instead of using google (and possibly sharing thoughts or questions based on a quick read).

The person who said directors should be in charge clearly has never worked in the industry. They used to be in charge. They let actors do whatever they wanted to actresses. Or actors and actresses would try to block it out themselves. These are multi-million dollar productions. They can afford some professionalism on this.

by Anonymousreply 104October 21, 2021 7:35 PM

The guy from R21's Youtube Channel.

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by Anonymousreply 105October 21, 2021 7:57 PM

^^^^^ Oh great! Now a bunch of lame attention seekers will want to live in a ghost towns and put it up on social media.

by Anonymousreply 106October 21, 2021 8:07 PM

I actually expected worse stories.

by Anonymousreply 107October 22, 2021 1:06 AM

r102 Still super weird. When you move, you sell your car, doesn't matter how wealthy or clueless you are. You are describing like some sort of flight, like the other poster noticed. I worked abroad even, you sold your car when you left the country. Who just leaves their car behind? Like when you move, you don't need it anymore? It's worthless, and somehow people are going to TRACK you, or steal your identity using your VIN or license plate? Go outside, there are license plates everywhere, take your pick. Fucking Bizarre Man. You can sell a car in fifteen minutes. Car dealerships are paying 40 percent over blue book in some locations.

Maybe the uber wealthy? But they don't even have cars. If somebody robs someone with your stolen license plate, they aren't going to arrest you. I don't think the world works the way you think it works, and it should be concerning to you.

by Anonymousreply 108October 22, 2021 5:26 AM

R104 Amazing you have never read the book "bullshit jobs" because that is a bullshit job. If your coworker is creeping or raping you, you can just tell them to stop. You don't need human resources to work out your nudity issues when your job is being nude and making sex for us to watch/masturbate to. Actors are kinda prostitutes/clowns and their agents are kinda pimps. So everyone on here is correct.

by Anonymousreply 109October 22, 2021 5:29 AM

The winter weather can be brutal out there.

by Anonymousreply 110October 26, 2021 12:59 AM

This article seems relevant.

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by Anonymousreply 111November 1, 2021 9:05 PM

Why is Joshua Tree being treated like a city? That’s not a place you move to live full time. It’s also a place that doesn’t need a bunch of houses and buildings being built on. Enough is enough with fucking transplants. There needs to be a limit to their bullshit

by Anonymousreply 112November 1, 2021 9:29 PM

R112 agreed. They have a water shortage that's only going to get worse, but they want to build up neighborhoods in deserts. Worst idea ever. There's so many towns going through this now, where wealthier people are snatching up real estate, making the taxes skyrocket. I'm shocked people like R92 aren't seeing this happen. Even the rustbelt is being hammered by waves of people moving in -- people that must have money because they're having 300k+ homes built.

These towns are happy to collect taxes while pushing out the long time locals, but they do nothing to accommodate the influx of people. The roads stay the same, not meant for constant traffic, the few stores become a nightmare to shop at, infrastructure/ utilities are stressed, developers shit out homes with no care about scenery or wildlife, etc.

In my area, it now costs more in taxes than our mortgage payments, in just the past few years, so you can't even adjust. The people moving here suck too -- uppity, destructive, and annoying. R68 might think locals are wrong for feeling that way, but being pushed out of your home by hoards of entitled assholes, with too much money, is wrong. They want their mini, gaudy ass mansions, right on top of each other, but then they crowd the few undeveloped spots to enjoy the scenery -- the scenery they knocked down to live in a development. They're the first to cry when deer eat their expensive landscaping, or the coyotes start poaching their pets. Well, where were they supposed to move? There's just too many damn people, and too many people that are damn ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 113November 1, 2021 10:12 PM

The legendary exodus of the intimacy coordinators was a turning point in Southwest America's development. The stories of hardship and sacrifice would echo for generations.

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by Anonymousreply 114November 1, 2021 10:45 PM

Yucca Valley, JT, Pioneer Town and 29 Palms (the latter, especially) are bleak and dreary on a daily basis. The heat is oppressive in the summer and the winters are harsh. It's a harsh but beautiful place. Fun to have a weekend spot to wind down in; not so fun to be out there all year unless you REALLY like being alone. There is infrastructure in Yucca Valley and 29 Palms. It's just not like Echo Park. (duh) There's a lot ofretirees, people who can only afford to live on a meager trailer on their chunk of land, military and ex military, a lot of tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists who also may cure and smoke their own meat, make their own booze and possibly other substances. People are really into guns and vehicles. It's not some liberal wonderland. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

by Anonymousreply 115November 1, 2021 10:58 PM

And what do they do when the temperature gets into the 110 - 120 degree range?

Commercial HVAC systems can only cool the outside air about 20 degrees.

How is that even bearable?

by Anonymousreply 116November 1, 2021 11:17 PM

Oddly, they dont seem to have a lot of pools there. It's just a rural wasteland staffed by a hand full of gun nuts, tin foil hats, porn and meth labs.

by Anonymousreply 117November 2, 2021 11:39 AM

R117 because Joshua Tree IS NOT A CITY. It’s not a place meant for full time living. It’s literally a desert! It was always a tourist destination and a place locals went to get away from the city for a day but not a place you make home full time.

But in true transplant fashion, they try building houses and shit on land where it shouldn’t be. It’s getting ridiculous

by Anonymousreply 118November 2, 2021 11:59 AM

R38 good thing Joshua Tree isn’t a suburban town, it’s a desert that white people with too much money keep trying to make into a city.

by Anonymousreply 119November 2, 2021 12:12 PM

Can we make something clear? A California resident is fine but if they’re not natives, they’re not the same. It’s always people moving there from other places fucking it up. Transplants need limitations at this point, because it’s getting out of hand in all the cities and towns now.

by Anonymousreply 120November 2, 2021 12:14 PM

Can we stop claiming everyone with a degree is highly educated? Anyone can get a degree. Anyone.

by Anonymousreply 121November 2, 2021 12:36 PM

But even fellow Californians can suck, R120. Too many transplants from the big cities are moving to places they're obviously clueless about (they just snatch up a house on Zillow, don't bother to visit and get a feel for the town first), then they constantly bitch because Small Town X isn't like SF or LA or SD. They don't have this kind of restaurant! You can hear train whistles at night! It smells like cow! Meanwhile the natives with roots in these areas are getting pushed out by people who have total contempt for it, and them. It's a bitter pill to swallow no matter who's doing it.

I feel for the Joshua Tree residents. It's obvious from the article that the LA people are just hanging out with each other and building a parallel world out there but still taking up resources, and not integrating at all.

by Anonymousreply 122November 2, 2021 12:40 PM

People who move towns and complain it's the town will eventually move to a different unsatisfactory town. Sounds like a case of, "you're the asshole."

Or they'll go for ill-advised family hikes and the problem will take care of itself.

by Anonymousreply 123November 2, 2021 1:07 PM

I worked at 29 Stumps (marine base) and used to stay a couple nights a week in 29 Palms. R115 is absolutely correct - it is bleak. People don't realize how cold it gets in winter. One time I saw a guy walking by my house dressed like Conan the Barbarian and he was carrying some type of club. So many weirdos on meth.

by Anonymousreply 124November 2, 2021 1:13 PM

Because weirdos on meth don’t exist in the big cities? Lmao look around you.

by Anonymousreply 125November 2, 2021 1:16 PM

They probably think that they're like people who moved to Palm Springs in the 90s, except Palm Springs in the 90s was an over the hill resort town with a full range of service businesses hoping for some new investment. These more rural places, not so much. Palm Springs seems unlivable enough, I can't imagine truly being in the desert. You need a true "too it yourself" mindset for that and an intimacy coordinator probably doesn't have it.

by Anonymousreply 126November 2, 2021 1:29 PM

[quote]Because weirdos on meth don’t exist in the big cities? Lmao look around you.

I just did r125.

I see my cat, a few orchid plants and the fact that my carpet needs to be vacuumed.

But nope. No weirdos on meth.

by Anonymousreply 127November 2, 2021 1:32 PM

The Hadids are already influencing from Furnace Creek

by Anonymousreply 128November 2, 2021 1:39 PM

r121 Less than half of Americans 40 percent, have an associates 2 year degree or higher. BA is around 30, a little less. 13 percent has a graduate degree and PHD's are rare birds - statistically.

My family, and partners families are all academic types. They believe and I quote "everyone goes to Harvard or at least an Ivy" Tufts maybe, Carnegie Mellon, blah blah. It's not reality. There is a Hollywood trope called "Harvard for Everyone" which is something like 90 percent of characters in movies went to Harvard if a college is mentioned.

Here in the real world, people are trying to pay for community college or get a nursing degree. Highly educated is relative.

Also, graduation rates are now DISMAL. White males are not finishing college. They start, but don't finish. Joe Rogen is telling them college is a waste of time and money.

It's not.

by Anonymousreply 129November 2, 2021 4:14 PM

Thank you R4, I really want to read this.

by Anonymousreply 130November 2, 2021 4:15 PM

Snakes! No, thank you.

by Anonymousreply 131November 2, 2021 4:32 PM

[quote] I feel for the Joshua Tree residents.

I don't. People can move wherever they want. I'm willing to bet a lot of these Joshua Tree residents were Okies or sons/daughters of Okies who moved around and displaced someone else. Circle of life, baby.

by Anonymousreply 132November 2, 2021 4:42 PM

Move where you want you wannabe low life who doesn’t know who he is r132, but you adapt to where you’re moving, you don’t expect the area to adapt to you. Sit down.

by Anonymousreply 133November 2, 2021 4:58 PM

R133, maybe you should move somewhere where you can learn to use commas.

by Anonymousreply 134November 2, 2021 5:00 PM

R134 I don’t need to move. I know who I am. You don’t. That’s why you need to move.

by Anonymousreply 135November 2, 2021 5:06 PM

R135, sorry. I'm willing to bet a lot of these Joshua Tree long-timers are full-on MAGA. And what they really mean is that newbies are encroaching into the culture/politics of their Trumpy desert world. Oh, what a shame.

by Anonymousreply 136November 2, 2021 5:15 PM

Truth is that maybe we shouldn’t allow people to just move anywhere. And I’m serious.

Those people always destroy areas.

Joshua Tree is a beautiful historical place. The fact there are transplants building properties on there says all I need to know. It’s time we start limiting shit, especially where housing can be built and how much foreign buyers can buy.

A huge amount of the real estate in NYC and LA and Miami and Chicago are being bought buy people in China. My stepfather was just speaking about how the Chinese are buying all these building and land and a lot of the buildings being built are owned by Chinese, who don’t even live here. How do we allow someone from China to just buy up everything? No one else sees the issue with this?

by Anonymousreply 137November 2, 2021 5:16 PM

R136 and even if they are, does that mean they shouldn’t be able to live their lives? How would you feel if your neighborhood were taken over by MAGA and you were pushed out?

by Anonymousreply 138November 2, 2021 5:17 PM

[quote] Joshua Tree is a beautiful historical place.

Joshua Tree National Park is beautiful, and thankfully it is preserved. But the area and small towns around it? Not so much. Lots of derelict, bombed-out buildings turned meth labs and abandoned homestead cabins.

by Anonymousreply 139November 2, 2021 5:32 PM

[quote]because Joshua Tree IS NOT A CITY.

Yes, it's not a city but it is a town, I have driven through there a couple of time to see Joshua Tree national park. There are little markets, restaurants, liquor stores, strip malls. Not pretty, no on on the streets, kind of dystopian but there is more than just sand.

by Anonymousreply 140November 2, 2021 8:49 PM

If only I could have this container house in the desert.

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by Anonymousreply 141November 2, 2021 8:51 PM

I'll pass on living in Methtucky

by Anonymousreply 142November 2, 2021 8:54 PM

Paris Hilton’s entourage/caravan of 10 black SUV’s was seen snaking through downtown Stovepipe Wells. They stopped momentarily but eventually moved on to the younger, hipper Beatty Junction.

by Anonymousreply 143November 2, 2021 9:33 PM

[quote] There are little markets, restaurants, liquor stores, strip malls. Not pretty, no on on the streets, kind of dystopian but there is more than just sand.

R140, you nailed the description of Joshua Tree (Town)'s main street, lol.

And speaking of dystopian, nearby Twentynine Palms....

by Anonymousreply 144November 2, 2021 11:29 PM

R131, it's a forced rhyme (I think) but I prefer, "Snakes? No thanks!"

I know, everyone's a critic.

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