-You were catastrophizing … (Don't you just love the rich, white, folks?)
It was very debilitating. And I got on medication. I got on anti-depressants. I went to therapy. I started doing all the tools that the doctor told me to, and then I got better, which is what happens when you follow medical advice, which is why I love my doctors!
-I remember you being worried before you had Liberty that once you had kids you’d lose your freedom and your fun. And I told you, “Oh, you will. You definitely will.” But I said it wouldn’t matter in the same way.
You were so right. I mean, yeah, can I go to a casino and gamble until 2 a.m.? No. But what‘s replaced it is so much better. Everything’s way better. And I just want to be around her all the time.
-I want to talk about your miscarriage. I was so proud of you for sharing that story. Why did you?
Well, this is really fucked up. I found out I was miscarrying the day after my Seth Myers appearance. It was after the show, before my photo shoot for the New York Times [Magazine] cover they did about The View. And I was obviously very upset and freaking out. But [The View] had such a severe leaking problem, I was actually really concerned that it was going to leak out onto the internet. And I was petrified that it was going to be a story in a tabloid or be turned into something like, “Meghan had a hysterical meltdown because she’s a sociopath and a lunatic, and she’s always crying and she’s just a mess.” Isn’t that fucked up?
-Your husband has his critics. Did you know that he was kind of a controversial figure when you started dating?
No. I knew he was conservative. When we started dating, I started asking around to other people. There was one person in the media who had like a really … he knew him, and this person in the media is pretty well-known, and he hates Ben, and he was going around telling people that I was with this not-good dude, and he was a right-wing nut.
And it kept getting back to me. And then there’s another woman, who was a journalist, who was like, “I just keep hearing he’s a bad dude.” And I was like, “But every experience I’ve had with him is incredible and wonderful, and he’s an amazing boyfriend, so I need you to be really specific about what you’re talking about.” And then I later found out he had created websites that, if you’re liberal, you find controversial. He had been fired for a plagiarizing controversy, and that was 20 or 15 years ago, a very long time ago. And I didn’t care. I had my own shit in my background. And there were a few people in conservative circles that I know for a fact told Ben not to date me, and that I would be bad for him.
-Shifting gears to national politics. How does this end for the GOP? What’s next for Trump and the party?
When it comes to 2024, I mean, every indicator is he’s going to run. I fear for what that is going to do for obviously everything else, doomsday scenario. I’m really fucking sick of boomers and people that are 80 running everything. I think it’s the crux of all of America’s problems. It’s awful. And I was never a fan of age limits in politics because my father was quite old when he died in office. But I actually think 80 might be a good cutoff. That’s really old.
And so [McCain’s husband] Ben [Domenech] and some of my friends said, “You’re struggling. You’re having a hard time.” And my thing was that I was so obsessed with Liberty and so consumed with her that I was scared of anything happening to her. I was scared that robbers were going to come in our house and steal her. I was worried that people were going to push me down when I was pushing her in her stroller …
-Well, do you guys bond over that? You both get a lot of heat.
He was the only man that really understood it. He was the only man that really understood the chaos and what it feels like to be loved and hated.