Bill Clinton Hospitalized.

Will Monica send him flowers?

Can I have his stuff ?

[quote] Can I have his stuff ?

Hell NO.

Prayers !!

Rachel is pulling a muscle trying to make this sound more ominous than it is.

Please...he's look like death for years.

He has sepsis, which killed Patty Duke. BUT! He looks like he’ll survive, unlike our queen Ms. Anna Pearce.

Sepsis. My God. No. No.

It would be nuts if Bob Dole outlived Slick Willy

Maybe urosepsis? Old guys get that a lot it seems. He hasn't looked right since his bypass surgery years ago.

No Democratic president has died in nearly 50 years (since LBJ in January 1973). It would be something if Clinton, not Carter, would be the next to go.

Quit talking about him dying. He’s on the mend! Good grief.

Actually , the current president might go before the one in office 45 years ago.

We’re all so desperate for drama right now that we’re urging Bill onto the ice floe.

If Bill passed, we’d get a thread of Hillary smiling pictures like the current one of QEII grinning post-Philip.

Died.

I’ll pray to Mecca.

[quote] He hasn't looked right since his bypass surgery years ago.

He hasn’t, but it’s just because he lost so much weight so quickly.

It's the clap. Again.

[quote]Will Monica send him flowers?

Yes. Gennifer Flowers.

The usual advice in this situation is for the wife to get tested, too. Here? Not so much.

If Hillary’s going to be a young widow, she’ll be competing with Queen Elizabeth for the same men.

Maurice Templesman is available, R22.

Hopefully he'll feel better soon. But while he's in hospital, he's been in the need of an eye job for years!

R23 I only know that because the Athina Onassis thread sent me on a journey through Jackie O’s Wikipedia

If it’s an STI, we know he didn’t get it from Hillary.

I hope he pulls through okay. I'm not ready to lose him.

Sepsis bad

It would be interesting to see Trump in his first non-political appearance as a former president. I’m sure his application for membership in the former president’s club is being processed apace.

If they caught the sepsis in time he will survive but if it has spread too much the odds of survival for sepsis is 1 in 5. Very dangerous infection. I've had it and luckily they got on it quickly enough before it could spread to organs.

Bill has been sickly for a few years now. ABC news recently offered Lewinsky a luxurious and in depth interview about her truths. What is NOT being discussed or investigated by ABC news? January 6, 2021. We are supposed to move on from January 6, 2021 for like, the good of the like, nation?

R24, this older woman who I worked with in a department store about 25 years ago that about him (that he needed an eye job). She also, memorably, said to me: "for a little girl you certainly have big feet."

Sorry for the dysfunctional first sentence, I'm not feeling well. I even re-wrote it.

I’ve thought of him just recently, wondering why he hasn’t been very visible in the last year or so (even taking Covid into account).

A good article about sepsis here. Sorry for the Frau mag.

I'm thinking a UTI that wasn't diagnosed quickly.

I didn't know Patty Duke's came about from a ruptured intestine. Opioids?

I’m still so sad about Patty Duke.

Anyway, I know another actor who had sepsis but it was caught quickly and she recovered just fine. You’d never know she had it. And it was right after Duke died—a few weeks later. I won’t mention her name because I don’t know if it was ever made public. She was traveling for work and got a bad stomach virus, which led to really bad diarrhea, then sepsis. But it was still caught early and though she was very sick in the hospital, she was out in a few days.

I suspect the same will be true for Clinton.

Was he a drinker? I ask because he sometimes had that reddish look to his face that drinkers sometimes get.

If Bill Clinton had been born not too many years later, we’d probably have never heard of him, at least in the political realm. He would never have made it not too many years later as a Democrat in what became deep red Arkansas. That’s likely true if he hadn’t also started his run for political office there at an unusually young age. Of course, the political animal that he was he might’ve just been a Republican.

r35 Can we at least get a hint? It's nothing to be ashamed about, so I don't know why it would be a big deal. You already spilled the beans about her diarrhea.

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Poltergeist star , Heather O’Rourke died from sepsis after her intestines burst.

That's good news, R39.

Urinary tract infection ? Wtf.

Prince Philip got those on more than one occasion. One of his hospital stays was a loooong time, I wonder if he had it too?

He’s probably used to a burning sensation in his dick so it’s no wonder he let the UTI turn into sepsis.

Prince Philip kept getting UTIs as well, it's not that uncommon in older men.

Sanjay Gupta said he will be off IV antibiotics tomorrow and then start pills?

I thought with sepsis you need at least 6 weeks of IV antibiotics.

I hope he recovers soon. He can’t go before the orange demon does.

Gennifer doesn't bring him flowers any more. But I do!

Lewinsky sends her regards.

Lewinsky is making the rounds. Again. To state she was illused. Again.

That’s the AIDS caught up to him!

What the hell was he doing in Irvine?

Lewinsky needs to go and fuck herself as evidently nobody else will. Annoying bunny boiler.

Whenever I hear "sepsis" is scares the hell out of me, and I think of our dear departed Patty Duke.

Get well, Billy boy.

Patty Duke was a heavy smoker, so maybe that's why she didn't survive it.

Pope John Paul II died from UTI related sepsis.

Final illness and death On 31 March 2005, following a urinary tract infection,[272] he developed septic shock, a form of infection with a high fever and low blood pressure, but was not hospitalised. Instead, he was monitored by a team of consultants at his private residence. This was taken as an indication by the pope, and those close to him, that he was nearing death; it would have been in accordance with his wishes to die in the Vatican.[272] Later that day, Vatican sources announced that John Paul II had been given the Anointing of the Sick by his friend and secretary Stanisław Dziwisz. The day before his death, one of his closest personal friends, Anna-Teresa Tymieniecka visited him at his bedside.[80][273] During the final days of the pope's life, the lights were kept burning through the night where he lay in the Papal apartment on the top floor of the Apostolic Palace. Tens of thousands of people assembled and held vigil in St. Peter's Square and the surrounding streets for two days. Upon hearing of this, the dying pope was said to have stated: "I have searched for you, and now you have come to me, and I thank you."[274]

As did Tanya Roberts.

Fucking hell...

Shocked. I thought of UTIS as a female concern.

Tanya Roberts had it, too?!!

Chelsea talked him into that vegan diet which started his downhill slide. Veganism is not for everyone.

R52 Oh please, you just know he has a hot love nest in Laguna or Newport Beach. It’s probably overflowing with blond Real Housewives type hos. BTW, Irvine’s med center is in Orange, CA.

Hopefully Bill is out of the woods, but his health is so seemingly fragile it could still take a turn.

Men and UTIs: Some good info here for us eldergays

[quote] As did Tanya Roberts.

Didn't she die twice?

R63– Yeah, I guess the first death was a heart attack caused by a drug overdose, and her second death was caused by sepsis.

Lol r61 maybe you're right!

He probably would have stroked out years ago if Chelsea hadn't told him to lay off the cheeseburgers..

Bill aged dramatically after his first open heart surgery. He's always looked very frail since then.

He does have a brittle, dried out look.

It's crazy to think Bill finished his 2 terms 20 years ago and he's still younger than Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi.

He needs some animal protein

R67, He fell asleep at his library dedication.

Has Hillary interrupted her book tour to be at his bedside?

Lets hope a Bosnian airplane drops a bomb there.

O President Clinton we love you get up

[quote] Of course, the political animal that he was he might’ve just been a Republican.

To most of the world where real left wingers exist, the whole Democratic party is Republican.

Sounds like Feline AIDS to me.

Yes, the book tour has paused for at least a week.

Hillary has another book out? I haven't been paying attention.

R78, She co-authored a mystery novel with a Canadian writer.

[quote] "Will Monica send him flowers?"

Perhaps she'll send Gennifer Flowers, R1.

I don't care what happens to him.

I hope he is OK and gets well soon. He wasn't a perfect president (who is) but he really impressed me in that he admitted later that the 3 strikes and your out legislation was a big mistake and it is the thing he most regrets about his presidency.

Most former leaders never admit that made mistakes and I think he showed class and courage to admit to mistakes made.

She was a good girl. May she RIP.

I worked as a home health care assistant once upon a time, and also later in life at a senior services agency, and you wouldn't believe how many seniors (women and men) were taken down (and by that i mean died) by UTIs and ultimately, sepsis. it's along the lines of "he broke a hip and it was all downhill from there" although much faster acting without proper and quick treatment.

R79, yes, Hillary and Louise Penny were interviewed on the Canadian news this week about their new novel, "State of Terror".

Here's the new Hillary interview with CBC News:

He lost all that weight around the time Chelsea got married and he’s looked sickly ever since. Technically he might be healthier but appearance-wise, he aged a lot and seemed fragile.

[quote]Rachel is pulling a muscle trying to make this sound more ominous than it is.

It was weird. I tuned in to CNN and Sanjay Gupta was saying it was sepsis caused by a UTI and Clinton seemed to be well on the mend. I turned to Rachel a half hour later and she made it seem like it was still touch and go, and didn't mention the UTI.

R34, you can get sepsis from "a ruptured intestine" that = anything from a small ulcer to a large tumor. For an ulcer to go to sepsis you'd have to be elderly or neglect it for a while, I imagine.

UTIs often cause confusion in older people until treated so, especially if Hillary was away, he might have let it go unattended because it made him unable to realise he had a high temperature, etc.

r80 Really?

Pity the poor candy striper chosen to give Bill a sponge bath.

Hillary visits Bill . . . with Huma.

It is so odd, I never heard of Clinton having a place in Orange County

Shepshish.

The other problem is that the antibiotics used to treat sepsis frequently cause kidney failure, so the doctors have to maintain a delicate balance between getting rid of the sepsis and not letting the patient go into kidney failure.

I don't understand, why doesn't he go to the doctor at the first sign? Doesn't it hurts to piss when you have UTI?

Is it true he's a vegan now?

R96, Bill's accustomed to a burning sensation down below.

My understanding is that sometimes you don’t have symptoms other than feeling a bit sick, r96.

R92, Does Hillary go anywhere without Huma?

I don’t think I would be able to drop a grudge against Huma for her husband’s sexting issues arguably causing me to lose the presidential election, my lifelong dream!

Can you take a low dose of antibiotics daily to ward something like this off? I'm freaked out that something like this is going to take me out (because it's all about me). But seriously, reading that this is such a common occurrence that often leads to you popping your clogs has me worried.

well, obviously he doesn't change his underwear everyday, he's a dirty cunt.

How else do you get UTI? He ain't having sex...

That would be a shock R11..

R102 I think it can be a lot more unhealthy for your body to become overfamiliar with antibiotics.

Instead, stay well hydrated, go to the bathroom when you need (don’t hold it), and if you start feeling anything off down there, especially if it feels like you aren’t fully emptying your bladder when you pee, don’t hesitate to go to the doctor.

Yes, R102. Of course. Just ask your physician if she will put you on a "low dose" antibiotic permanently.

Of course that's the way to create unmanageable bacteria in your body, but hospitals always are looking for untreatable infections to spread over their ORs and hallways.

R103, that is not the cause. Your organs atrophy as you get older, and aren’t as efficient. Urine and bacteria get trapped in there as a result.

R103, Bill could always turn his dirty underwear inside out.

When Bill was Governor, he and Hillary would donate their used underwear and claim a tax deduction.

R69, by a couple of months, Bill’s younger than Trump, too.

Do people in other countries have such a cottage industry surrounding their former leaders?

[quote]How else do you get UTI? He ain't having sex...

Just being elderly puts you at greater risk, but you can also get them from holding on to your urine for too long. Truck drivers get them frequently.

I heard cranberries is great at preventing UTI. I remember my college roommate drank this all the time, at least that's what she told me.

So what WAS Bill doing in SoCal? Speaking engagement?

R114, an event with his foundation.

How embarrassing that must be for him to be married and now 75 years old and still out there catching STIs! Dude get your shit together!

After reading the last 30 replies in this thread, I’m now terrified that I (at 42) am going to get sepsis from a ruptured intestine and not realize it!

[quote] If Bill Clinton had been born not too many years later, we’d probably have never heard of him, at least in the political realm. He would never have made it not too many years later as a Democrat in what became deep red Arkansas. That’s likely true if he hadn’t also started his run for political office there at an unusually young age. Of course, the political animal that he was he might’ve just been a Republican.

During the '08 primary campaign, there were many who thought that Bill talked as if wasn't that far removed from his boyhood state governor, segregationist Orville Faubus. And his political mentor WAS the segregationist Senator J. William Fulbright.

[quote] I don’t think I would be able to drop a grudge against Huma for her husband’s sexting issues arguably causing me to lose the presidential election, my lifelong dream!

R101 Hillary forgave Bill for much worse, she isn't a vindictive asshole like Trump.

[quote] Will Monica send him flowers?

Appropriate considering that she had his pollen all over her chubby face.

I hope ole Bubba pulls through.

[quote]It is so odd, I never heard of Clinton having a place in Orange County

He was on a pussy hunt

R117 don’t worry about that. Unless you have Crohn’s disease, see a doctor immediately if you are running a fever and unable to stand up straight from the pain. A ruptured intestine is an easy catch for most people. It’s UTI or dermatologic origin sepsis that’s harder to catch.

An elderly relative of mine had sepsis from a UTI a few years ago and it was pretty scary. She was in the hospital for an entire week and sick as hell. She recovered fully and has been fine ever since.

I posted a thread a few months ago saying I was worried about Bill looking frail and you all crucified me for it!

He's been looking unwell for a while now. Maybe it's the weight loss but his whole demeanor seems weaker. Like he's shrinking.

I hope he gets better quickly. Maybe he's had issues for a while and it turned into sepsis.

That shit is nasty! I had a 31 year old healthy male friend die of it about 20 years ago. Horrible.

[quote]Just being elderly puts you at greater risk, but you can also get them from holding on to your urine for too long. Truck drivers get them frequently.

I thought that was called uromycitisis.

They can't all be hits, R90.

[quote] "Can I have his stuff ?"

Who HASN'T?!

They said it was e coli infection. So that means he didn't change his shitty underwear for days!

Most UTIs are caused by e coli.

Coca-Cola Salda, pronto!

His eternal reward is a Nancy Reagan blowjob for the rest of eternity. (Or until Carville works something out with Satan.)

I think part of the reason Clinton looks so bad is that he’s a fading star, and that’s very difficult mentally for someone who loves the adulation of crowds. Obama pushed Bill out as the rock star of the Democratic Party, and with #metoo Clinton is in danger of being asked about the old charges of sexual assault and harassment or about Monica pr about his association with Epstein etc. every time he does an interview. And with Hillary’s defeat, his dreams of getting back to the White House (a place he admits he would have stayed at forever had he been able to find a way to run for more than 2 terms) are dead. Plus, the Democrats have become pretty hostile to his Third Way brand of neoliberal politics that was so popular in the 90s. It must be hard to see Biden and other Democrats basically apologizing for all of the stuff that Clinton pushed back then (e.g. the crime bill, NAFTA, deregulation of Wall St, etc.).

I imagine Clinton is a lot like LBJ was at the end. Johnson had almost died from a heart attack while a senator and he’d been forced to give up smoking. As they were leaving DC in 1969 after Nixon’s inauguration, LBJ’s daughter saw him light up a cigarette. She was shocked and when she yelled at him his response was something like, “I don’t care. I have nothing to live for anymore. Everything I ever wanted is gone.”

[quote] I think part of the reason Clinton looks so bad is that he’s a fading star, and that’s very difficult mentally for someone who loves the adulation of crowds

Jesus fuckin Christ

I agree, R133. He achieved his life’s ambitions relatively early & he pinned all his hopes on a Clinton dynasty.

Yup, r133. He died at age 64, fairly young.

R133

Clinton only has himself to blame. LBJ inherited a war and the expectations that America had to win it, because they never lost a war.

LBJ believed he would die young - as had all Johnson men - & that was a prime factor in his decision not to run in ‘68.

R137, it’s not like Clinton rolled up into a ball and disappeared. He really has had an active retirement. It’s interesting you bring up LBJ. LBJ was a notorious womanizer, probably the equal of Clinton and his predecessor, Kennedy.

Back in LBJ's day there was no bypass surgery, no angioplasty and no blood pressure medication. Treatment for heart attacks have come such a long way. I know a 90 year-old man who had a heart attack 30 years ago, and another man who is now 78 and had a triple bypass 25 years ago.

R140, bypass surgery was around by then. But LBJ’s heart was too weakened for the doctors to attempt it. They believed he would die on the table. Bypass back then was incredibly invasive.

Oops r140, I realized that you might have been referring to when LBJ was a senator. The first bypass was in 1960, well after LBJ had his first major heart attack.

Yep. My dad died of a heart attack a year before LBJ did. He was only 60.

R97: Yes, mostly. He says he eats salmon once a week because his doctor wants him to, but he'd be just as happy without it.

Veganism is not healthy!

Clinton aged tremendously

It was Bill's cardiologist who put him on a plant based diet not Chelsea.

Damn this thread has convinced my not to go commando in tight jeans anymore.

R145 I would never go vegan. I think that is some horse shit. Eating good food is one of the few pleasures we have that won't kill us if we do it in moderation. Going cold turkey on everything good is a fate worse than death.

R137 I’m not making excuses for Clinton. I’m just saying that power crazy people such as Clinton, LBJ, and Teddy Roosevelt who get their energy from being worshipped by the masses don’t tend to do well in retirement or when people turn on them.

R139 I know that he used to have an active retirement but I’m not sure what his life is like now. They scaled back the Clinton Global Initiative when she ran for President, he’s had to deal with MeToo stuff when he’s done interviews, and the plan that he and his wife would be back at the center of power fell apart when she lost for the last time in 2016. I imagine there’s a difference when you think you’re retiring but your wife will become President in a few years compared to realizing that your family is done in presidential politics

He had to go vegan for health reasons, remember, he already had a triple heart bypass, then a stent put in a few years after...

The "wisdom" of going vegan for health reasons has been debunked left and right. He's looked like death warmed over for years. He needs to include eggs and seafood at the very least once he (hopefully) gets through this thing.

Vegetarians don't live any longer than meat eaters.

Lots of carbs in vegan food

he was on meds for high blood pressure and high cholesterol prior to his heart surgeries.

R154 And your point is....?

I had sepsis twice at kind of a young age (27).

I thought I had a muscle pull in my neck. Just a persistant pain below my throat. The urgent care gave me a cortozone shot and said my next step is the ER. I waited stupidly for like a week because the pain went away with the shot. I'd had muscle pulls there before so thought it was that.

Anyway I did end up in the ER. I stupidly ignored one night where I woke up in a complete sweat (I just thought it was a fever or the room was too hot.)

I did have a UTI too. I just had one incident where in the middle of the night where I thought I was about to pee and it felt blocked.

Anyway turned out I has some odd case of pneumonia (no coughing, cold symptoms) and it infected my blood.

(continued from r156 because this part is important.)

I think CNN and Sanjay Gupta are lying. The said Clinton will be off iv drugs and on pills soon.

I was told if the infection gets in the blood you have to be on IV for six weeks. I was on it for that and then it didn't kill off the infection completely and it came back a week later and I had to go on IV anti-biotics again for 6 weeks.

The first infectious disease doctor was some dumb foreign med grad in rural Florida where I first got sick.

The second doctor whom I really trusted was a pioneer in AIDS treatment in my home city and recommended by my doctor who was once chief of staff at the hospital. .

To sum up I can't believe Clinton will be out of the hospital and ok so soon. It was a long road back for me and I wasn't his age.

When I had sepsis/septic shock (intestine, four bacterial infections in my blood, went to ER after onset of rigors) I was on IV antibiotics for less than a week and then they released me home on oral antibiotics. I think it depends how responsive yiour infection is to the antibiotics.

wow r158. I'm confused now. I remember vividly being wheeled passed the infectious disease guy on my way to a test and stopping to ask him if I could please not go on iv again. That's when he said the stuff about if it is in the blood it has to be IV.

Maybe what kind of infection it is matters. The first doctor was like good news its not MRSA. It was something else.

(ugh this thing with Clinton is so triggering for me. I woke up with a jolt today. Man that was an awful experience. I wish him well. Come to thing of it George HW Bush was septic once a little while before he died. He got over it though and lived a while longer and then died of something else.)

Maybe some doctors will chime in.

just know: if you feel like you have the flu that's lingering and there is a bit of an ache in your lower back, GO GET CHECKED OUT. UTIs can move from your bladder to your kidneys fairly quickly.

yes, if you piss blood, go to the doctor.

they say he's still on IV antibiotics.

Bill Clinton, 75, will spend a fourth night in hospital with sepsis: Ex-president is continuing to receive IV antibiotics but is in 'great spirits' as Hillary visits him in medical center and Biden says he 'seems to be doing well'

He's my fav President

Really? What did you love about Clinton's presidency? Don't Ask Don't Tell? NAFTA? Deregulation?

R159 I was definitely on multiple IV antibiotics during my hospital stay, it was just the six weeks minimum that I was saying wasn’t always required. But oh my goodness, you need IV antibiotics immediately. Within minutes of getting to the ER they had three IV lines in me. And sepsis is by definition a blood infection. And yeah super traumatic. Thank goodness they had to put me on IV benzodiazepines to stop the violent shaking so there is a lot I don’t remember.

The shortest amount of time you can be on antibiotics is a week. They have to have time to work. Antibiotics is ALWAYS one of those medications they tell you to take until the regimen is completed regardless of how you feel.

Does drinking cranberry juice prevent UTI in men?

You can switch from IV to oral antibiotics though, it is discontinuation altogether that leads to trouble.

Back to Former President Clinton I am assuming his infection did not lead to shock so here’s hoping his hospital stay wasn’t so bad.

Cranberry juice even unsweetened still has too many natural sugars in it. I am not sure how the whole cranberry juice myth got started in the first place. Maybe because it is tart? No clue, but no, sorry r168

R170, it is not a myth. there are studies to back it up.

Cranberry has been proven to prevent UTIs in women.

Cranberries have an abundance of proanthocyanidins, which keep bacteria, particularly e coli, from sticking to the bladder walls. Cranberry juice or cranberry solids (in pill form) have some utility in keeping UTIs at bay, if other precautions are taken.

He's looked like shit for years. Even the orange man and Biden look more alive

I have a friend who is dealing with sepsis right now, he was going to be on 14 days of IV antibiotics (the last six days at home) and that was it, but I haven't heard from him in several days so I suspect they're going to have to go longer. But he was told only 14 days at first. Clinton may not be as sick and therefore be able to leave the hospital earlier with a home IV antibiotic.

[quote]To most of the world where real left wingers exist, the whole Democratic party is Republican.

And this was the objective since the 80's, to get politicians into the Dem party that were not really Democrats making it easier to shape US policy into what we have now, firmly for corporations and firmly against the will of we the people. Having no real opposition party makes it so easy!

R176, who were the "real" Democrats before this dividing point?

R176 dear little Millennial, this Boomer recalls that Reagan 'reigned' for 8 years and then George HW did for 4. It was a miracle any Democrat got elected in 1991 and Clinton only did so because Perot sapped votes away from Bush.

When BernieBros rewrite history...

R176 I don't think Democrats are Republicans, I just think they're weak as a party. And Clinton made them weaker with his impeachment.

There are some good Dem candidates here and there but as a party overall it sucks because it's way too easily fractured.

Republicans are not any better but they always stick together. Plus with gerrymandering, appointing Judges and systemic voter suppression they have built a system that ensures their success most places. All they need is an R by their name.

Battleground States/Districts are not battlegrounds for the GOP. Democrats always have to work hard to get them. GOP only loses when there's both an extraordinary Democrat and a perfect storm otherwise the default is GOP. They don't have to work for it.

Trump would be POTUS right now if anybody was the GOP candidate but him. The infrastructure is there for a GOP win.

Dems need to reset the table. But to do that we need candidates who are both good campaigners and good public servants.

Very few Democrats can do both. That's why laugh when Dems go on tv and say: "We can walk and chew gum at the same time."

No Sir. No Ma'am. You can't.

Get it together Dems or we'll lose our country!

Yes, STRAIGHT cranberry juice (not cran-apple, cran-raspberry or any of the cocktails), the tart kind can help with urinary tract health. many studies to back it up, but it has to be the kind that is not sugared to all hell and very concentrated.

It can help prevent to an extent, possibly, but once you have the infection, drag yourself in to urgent care, STAT.

God, this is in modern fucking times, and even with the best drugs we've got it can still be touch and go. I wonder how many people got leveled from this in the old days. Little UTI on the Prairie anyone?

R179, Clinton didn't make Dems "weaker" with his impeachment....it made his approval ratings go up

It made him more popular, but it made Gore decide to distance himself from him when he ran for President which allowed W to squeak out a win (with a Supreme Court assist.) If either he and Gore had stayed tight or if Clinton had stepped down before being impeached making Gore an incumbent, GWB never would have won. Anyway that’s my opinion. I was a Tsongas fan so what do I know.

This was Gore’s fatal mistake R184. It’s insane that he didn’t run on the Clinton/Gore record, especially given Clinton’s very durable high approval ratings even through impeachment.

Gore won. The Bushes stole the election, and the world lost.

I don't want to throw out any bad vibes, but am I the only one who has a feeling this isn't going to end with him jauntily leaving the facility waving to the cameras?

While I am being dark:

If Bill dies, would that actually give Hillary a leg up if she runs again?

Has *anyone* seen anything in the media about why he was in California that day? It does seem odd. I said earlier all I can think of is a speaking engagement, but can't find anything to back that up.

Whatever, get better Bill!

Well, Hillary is younger than both Trump & Biden …

Bill's staff kept his hospital admittance secret for 24 hours until word leaked out.

What r181 said, and what i said upthread. if you are over 50 and have any symptoms of UTI (general flu like symptoms w/ low back body aches, problems/pain urinating, pissing blood (!)) get thee to urgent care immediately!

not trying to incite worrisome but you just need to know if you're an oldster, this could take you to the brink.

R183, A lot of Democrats don't like to hear this, but Clinton's impeachment did weaken the party.

HE won in the short run with high approval ratings, but WE as a nation lost in the long run and we're still paying for.

Partly due to what R184 said and partly due to what (or whoever 185 is) said. The impeachment made Gore distance himself from Clinton. Gore may have miscalculated, but we don't know. Polls aren't always right (2016). Also, we don't know what Gore's internal polling was.

We know Clinton's impeachment helped the GOP drag Hillary for 20 years and it hurt her in 2016 primaries & general as it was raised.

Clinton was impeached for lying (on tape). Everyone knew he lied.

His impeachment also helped form the precedent for the tribal politics of the GOP which allowed Trump to lie over 30K times in office with impunity and gave the GOP precedent to acquit Trump despite everyone knowing he had lied about EVERYTHING.

Like it or not, this is part of Clinton's legacy.

[quote]Trump would be POTUS right now if anybody was the GOP candidate but him.

Trump would've been re-elected if it hadn't been for Covid. Sad but true. We have way too many idiots in this country.

I need all of the famous people of my generation to stop dying for awhile. It feels like they are all dropping like flies and it's starting to affect me.

who the fuck cares, r191? this is a thread about his health and pissably others. Jesus, leave it for now. let's wait for debate until he is out of the hospital.

R187, "Daily Beast" says that he and Hillary "had traveled to California for an event benefiting their foundation".

Good times.

R194 Did somebody hurt your little feelings? Who the fuck are you?

Clinton and Democrats are being discussed throughout the thread.

Like it or not, we can say anything we want to about him.

Are you the free speech monitor? IF so, you're fired!

Piss up a tree!

For a patient recovering so well I can't help but notice they keep extending his hospitalization.

[quote] the current president might go before the one in office 45 years ago.

Under the Rule of Threes Clinton, Carter, and Biden would be expected to die within days of each other.

Thanks R195!

r197 you're an asshole. there is a song that would tell you that better than my post, but i'm not going to bother searching for it.

just stfu.

R200 Go away you bitter old bitch! Nobody wants you here!

Um, i think you should probably direct that response to yourself. NO ONE WANTS **YOU** HERE R201. Have a few more glasses of rose and fade into oblivion.

R202 I think you should kiss my ass!

If it sepsis caused by a UTI, how funny. Smacked down again by his own dick.

Good riddance says gennifer flowers , paula something, the blue dress girl , the rape girl, and all the women who had sex with the freak

r204 I wouldn't wish sepsis on my worst enemy. I would like to think you meant by likely meant you meant "odd" or even "ironic" instead of "funny" but it's neither. The longer he stays in...on the one hand the better, on the other hand....I'll leave it there. He might be in"good spirits" but as of a few hours ago he was still in the ICU.

Federal employees get a paid day off each time a POTUS dies.

I was working for the IRS in 1972 when Truman and LBJ died within weeks of each other.

Your point, r207?

R204 is a well known Dump ass smoocher and klan granny. Of course she’s happy when a man gets a UTI serious enough to be hospitalized.

R208, Think about it . . . Time's up!

Still stabbed over here!

Apparently he was too weak to even pinch the nurses asses. RIP.

[quote] Federal employees get a paid day off each time a POTUS dies.

𝑷𝒖𝒍𝒍 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒑𝒍𝒖𝒈 !

𝑷𝒖𝒍𝒍 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒑𝒍𝒖𝒈 !

Yet another thread killed.

Hey all, reposing this as it does have helpful information for us eldergays and some may have missed it.

All you need to know about UTIs in men:

R183 but may have contributed to Hillary's 2016 defeat nonetheless

[quote] about his health and pissably others.

Great typo, especially given this thread’s content.

Has he died?

Novelist Tom Wolfe's cause of death was a UTI.

r217 i have to admit that was an intentional typo, given the thread and what we were talking about in terms of urinary health

Everyone gets their just desserts... Kosovo war criminal, creator of Operation Desert Strike, imposed sanctions on Iraq that helped kill children and vulnerable people, imposed santions on Iran, tightened the American stranglehold around Cuba, supported the economic gutting of the former USSR (which caused millions of deaths and untold devastation), worsened Bush's horrible policies in Somalia, ignored the genocide in Rwanda, is guilty of completely deregulating the financial sector, dismantled the welfare system condemning millions of poor people to lives of destitution, promoted the crime bill, supported the privatization of the prison system, militarized the police, devastated both the US and Mexico's economies with NAFTA AND was good friends with Jeffrey Epstein.

I won't say that he is a rapist because the jury is out on Juanita Broaddrick's and Paula Jones' allegations, not to mention that Leslie Millwee and Kathleen Willey are clearly opportunistic liars. As for Monica Lewinsky, he should be in prison just for having such incredibly bad taste... Then again, he is married to Hillary and practically ANYTHING is an improvement on that.

The list of your personal atrocities and bad deeds is longer R221. I hope the remainder of your pecker falls off before your kidneys explode!

R191, you are only partially correct. The Republicans claimed an entitlement to the Presidency since Reagan. They were pissed that he beat Bush 41 and instead of an AUSA appointed to investigate Whitewater, the Appeals Court appointed Ken Starr. That turned into a several year circus with Starr going on one fishing expedition after another. Once both branches of Congress were Republican, they openly hunted him, hoping to beat him in 1996. He beat them anyway and then they were bound and determined to ruin him.

Gore, who was dipping his own wick plenty, was never in a position to be high-handed and judgmental with Clinton. Further, the democratic party was hurt by more than the Clinton impeachment. For starters, the southern Democrats were completely opposed to the Civil Rights laws enacted in the mid-60s and made Manchin and Sinema look like small potatoes. Little Rock closed the schools after Eisenhower sent in the National Guard to integrate Central High. The local newspaper sided with segregationists at the editorial and ownership levels. Its leaders welcomed Ken Starr with open arms and dug up every piece of gossip and innuendo ever created about Governor Clinton and his so-called carpetbagger wife, who were interested in creating programs to help the poor and racial minorities.

President Carter made a much better former president than president. He had noble aspirations, including improving the environment by reducing energy consumption, but, inflation went through the roof and after Iran captured the US hostages and held them, he really looked powerless on both fronts. That did not help the Democratic party either. Republicans were already becoming tribal during Carter's term and became more so with Reagan. The Christian Right were already taking over local offices at that time, including local school boards. The libertarians and Christians did not have similar beliefs and were going to keep losing, but Lee Atwater came up with the idea of going after both sets by making the Republican party anti-abortion and adopting other positions that were not strictly libertarian. That was Reagan's platform and it is the reason Republicans consider him a god. Meanwhile, this just fueled other conservative organizations to develop long-term plans to take over the leadership of the US government. Clinton was a winner so they had to ruin him. He also made gains against Republican policies and got some mid-ground, which Obama and, so far, Biden, have been unable to do.

The man had some hubris but there is plenty of blame to go around. 20-25 years of lies about the Clintons, including the exaggeration of the relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and so progressives, who don't read history, find it easier to make cheap jokes. The man had a heart attack years ago and his cardiologist put him on a vegan diet. He was not going to go prancing around after women at that point. He didn't have the energy. He also wanted some kind of legacy, but democrats apparently bought into the Republican lies about Clinton like Trumpers are buying into the lies about Covid and vaccination. He looks lousy because his diet sucks. He may not be totally vegan at this point, but he's close and it does make him weak and susceptible to infections.

[quote]Has he died?

Yes.

Rest in penis.

It was NATO that bombed Serbia, right wing troll. And good thing, too. It ended the war and made way for the independence of Croatia and Slovenia.

And paved the way for 0ur gracious First Lady to come to the US!

[quote] the exaggeration of the relationship with Jeffrey Epstein

Exaggeration? They were frequent flyers.

I was never a Clinton fan and was dismayed that he didn’t resign to avoid being impeached. But I am in awe of the sophisticated Anti-American trolling of R221. Behold the troll’s gambit:

Fail to get involved in a war (Kosovo) = war criminal Be involved in military action (Somalia) = war criminal Impose sanctions as a middle ground (Iran) = murderer

There’s just no winning against a troll bound and determined to destabilize the west.

(PS the Russians gutted the former USSR economy, not the US, but I like Bill, feel your pain)

Well of course it's not related in any way to [italic] The Corona !

He’s being discharged tomorrow per CNN.

R227, I never said the relationship was nonexistent. But Epstein, like others with private jets, were attractive friends. Clinton had 8 years with Air Force One and possibly a private plane as governor. To go back to commercial flights would be a pain. Every president except Carter has flown in private jets for travel, provided by wealthy friends. The exaggeration is the implication that he spent all these weekends sexing around with Epstein at his private island. As I noted, he had his bypass surgery and a limited diet that weakened him. He's looked like shit for years. He left office in 2000 and had his surgery 4 years later. Apparently, he'd had increasing symptoms prior to that. And I don't think Hillary would countenance much of any extra-marital activities after the fiasco that led to the impeachment. Tipper Gore had had enough and she quietly divorced Al once the VP left office. Bill would have had a very hard time without Hillary, especially since his surgery.

Good lord, you're acting like having a heart attack and bypass makes someone a cripple. Lots of people have had both and continue to live active lives. I wrote above about two elderly men I know who had heart attacks decades ago and they've been fine ever since. I know several other people who also had heart attacks and stents/bypass and they kept right on chugging along. It's not like it was years and years ago.

How long before a liver transplant. He seems to still have his red nose. Is the truth being told about why he's hospitalized? I'd still likto know more about Bill in the blue dress .

I wonder if Bill will be watching 'Impeachment' while in the hospital

R230, Body double.

R231 but why was he going to Epstein's Island so frequently? The weather? The food?

r179 There were articles about the strategy to get Reps to change party and run as Democrats. There were also articles about the strategy to gerrymander in certain states to make districts lean more GOP. At the same time there was a push to fill the courts with conservative judges. Everything we are dealing with now was reported about in the last 40 years.

r177 the "real" Democrats were those in office or running for office whose politics backed things like the social safety net, universal health care, regulations on Wall Street and banking that Clinton destroyed. . . you know stuff like that.

Each time Hillary has visited Bill in the hospital, Huma has been at her side.

Yeah, Hillary and Huma. Good for them.

Drug-resistant Syphilis, Chlamydia, or Gonorrhea. Major pussy hound.

The 73-year-old was wearing a white face mask and was flanked by her security team.

Clinton, who was alongside her aide Huma Abedin, left the hospital just after midnight.

She appeared to be in “good spirits” as she spoke with others as she left, Fox News reports.

T𝒉𝒆 𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒎𝒆𝒓 𝑭𝒊𝒓𝒔𝒕 𝑳𝒂𝒅𝒚 𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒆𝒏𝒅𝒆𝒅 𝒂 𝒇𝒐𝒖𝒏𝒅𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒏𝒕 𝒃𝒆𝒇𝒐𝒓𝒆 𝒗𝒊𝒔𝒊𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒉𝒆𝒓 𝒉𝒖𝒔𝒃𝒂𝒏𝒅 at the medical center.

The Trumper's comments about Bill's sex life make me howl. Donald Fucking Trump bragged about sexual assaulting random women because "when you're a star, you get away with it." He's been accused by 25 women of rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, and other crimes. He's Clinton on steroids. Clinton was never as bad as Trump.

[quote]Who the fuck are you?

You're a troll r201 et al. and we all know exactly who you are, because you can't help yourself but write in the exact same way no matter what account you're on.

Don't tell us we don't belong here when you're the interloper. You're lucky anyone talks to you at all.

[quote]Tipper Gore had had enough and she quietly divorced Al once the VP left office.

No one knows if they're divorced, the last we knew they never bothered getting one.

Huma's always gripping her phone like an anxious busybody. It looks like a miserable existence to inhabit, but she needs that buzz to feel alive and important. The documentary about her and Anthony ("Weiner") was eye-opening.

But Irvine though? Maybe it was a suicide attempt. Ever been to Irvine? Not a place you want to live or die.

Up until the 1970s Irvine was agricultural (primarily orange groves surrounded by windbreaks of gigantic eucalyptus trees) and the "city" of Irvine was just a couple of buildings where 2 roads intersected. In Orange County as kids we would scare each other with creepy tales of "Old Lady Irvine." Nowadays, of course, the entire area is built up as business parks, housing tracts and other commercial stuff. It's sad, if you ever saw the idyllic lrvine of 50 years ago.

That is much more than anyone needed to know about Irvine r247.

The less said the better.

Doctor, it's odd. Every time Mrs. Clinton walks into the room Mr. Clinton's blood pressure and heart rate rise to unhealthy levels.

You know he's flirting with all the cute nurses.

[quote]Lots of carbs in vegan food

Yes because fruits and vegetables are carbs.

But my show is on now. Why do these things always happen to me?

I don't think they have cute nurses nowadays. It seems to attract a different sort of woman.

I bet that's why they got rid of those little nurse outfits like you see in movies. Nobody can fit into them. They need smocks and surgical pants.

There are still lots of cute nurses.

R254 but not anywhere near Bill trust me.

Bill Clinton doesn't have any blood pressure. Viagra or Cialis is NOT allowed for men with quadruple bypass surgery. He ain't been hard in a decade. He's as flaccid as the commenters here. Not allowed is not the same as not advised. He'd fucking die the second time he tried to fuck. He's impotent. Not dead. Like some old gay man who lisps. Flirt away. Christ. He's gross.

There are no more confusing political figures in the USA that Bill and Hillary Clinton. I won't get worked up if Bill dies. Nah. He's historically seismic, but personally weak as fuck. He doesn't stand for much but ambition and gross compromise. Nobody chooses Arkansas to make democratic reform. Bill and Hillary DID crawl over concentration camp bodies to reach their destiny. Not without living with them first.

Hillary don't come from a town called HOPE, doesn't have the pale slender hands of a savior and never much minded that her hard work showed. She IS a much better person than Bill Clinton. She ain't made of sugar water. That's substantial. Either Clinton might slit your throat. But it's he who taught her.

^^Shut up you fucking insane troll.

.,.,

[quote]the "real" Democrats were those in office or running for office whose politics backed things like the social safety net, universal health care

Yeah, the Clintons never had any interest in healthcare at all. Are you under 35 or not American or like...what? And Hillary's involvement was the main thing people knew and hated her for back then.

Hillary has since admitted she should've taken an advisory role on healthcare reform instead of leading it. She was right. I don't think she was aware at that time how much she as hated by Republicans. I think it actually took her by surprise.

You have to remember this was the early 90s when a Boomer, feminist woman on the national political stage was still a new thing. We're so used to it now (not just Boomer women, but younger ones as well) but back then there was a LOT of hand-wringing and bullshit over it, because it was such an obvious sign that things were changing at the highest levels.

R256, Bill can still eat pussy, which he loves to do. On those recorded telephone calls Gennifer Flowers released during the 1992 campaign, she referred to Bill as "the world's champion pussy eater".

He's alive, R258.

R262 That's your opinion

Hillary has always said Eleanor Roosevelt was her idol, so is Huma her Lorena Hickok?

Huma is still married to Weiner strangely. So they can't testify against each other?

No doubt an STD

I thought Huma divorced Weiner.

they filed but didn't go thru with it r267

R268, Aren't they still living together?

Huma will be on her own book tour in a few weeks.

I don't know r269. Wikipedia says they filed for divorce but decided to handle the matter privately and not in court. Confusing.

[quote]Yes because fruits and vegetables are carbs.

Corn's a carb!

OMG a UTI isn't an STD!!! and rarely do STDs require hospitalization FFS unless you let them go for years. Jesus people. Have a modicum of education.

Huma ❤️ Weiners

Ok Boomer R178. If you’re going to take such a smug tone, then at least do your homework and don’t parrot stuff that is at worst flat wrong and at best a controversial opinion unsupported by data.

So, according to the Sex Sages here men only go for sex that involves a hard dick. How about men who like to watch a partner get done by someone else? Men whose anus becomes an erogenous zone. Men who like to be beat, pissed on, whatever. Men who like to use their mouths, hands or objects to give pleasure to others. The world of sex is large, diverse & inclusive. Men can be sexual even when their pole don't work.

R256, not true.

According to the American College of Cardiology, a person should be able to use Viagra or other PDE5 inhibitors when they have recovered from either a coronary artery bypass or angioplasty.S

According to the internet, His sickness came from a urinary tract infection. I wonder why he got infected.

Poor Bill better not be cheating on Hillary again. That's a woman who is beautiful and amazing, and she deserves love.

R275, before you so snidely blame boomers for your lack of knowledge, please know that video is an opinion. It makes a strong point, but so do other opinion pieces that do in fact blame Perot for Bush losing. In fact, if you research Google, you'll find that is the prevailing opinion that Ross damaged Bush more than Clinton. And those opinion pieces make very strong arguments.

And you don't have to be a boomer to remember this. (I should have known you were bringing nothing to the table when you led with "OK Boomer." It's so 2019.

r265, Weiner has been released from prison. He's not charged with anything now so nothing for Huma to testify to.

So you think Hill wants some dick, mouth, fingers that have been everywhere, anywhere. Plus looking at the quality of those we know of see Flowers, Lewinsky, et. al. you think Hill even lets him sleep in bed with her? She'd have to shower in Lysol & Clorox if she did. She's old as well & any diseases he transmitted would ravage her as well.

He was just released according to a news alert I just got from CNN.

Hope everything goes well.

r278 If you'll take the time to read the thread, we had a whole discussion about how common UTIs are in older men. R107 had a good, short summation. There is also an entire article devoted to the subject at r62

All of the people posting about STDs are trolls, henceforth known as the STD trolls.

Oh, dear. Bill's gait...

Thank god Billy is ok. Easily the best president in the modern era.

Well, at least a better president than Mighty Joe

Doesn’t look like he go fluid overload.

I'm worried. Not a huge Bill fan, but...yeah, worried. That's a wobbly motherfucker. EAT MEAT YOU TWAT!

Meanwhile, Carter, 97, has had cancer 56678 times and god know what else and he's still out there building houses. Genes, man. What a trip.

R228, do not be ignorant. The intervention in Kosovo was driven by NATO, but the US led the coalition and Bill Clinton directly spoke in favour of this. He approved the plans to bomb Serbia with depleted uranium (WHICH IS A WAR CRIME), and approved the bombing of civilian targets - ANOTHER war crime, my darling.

[quote]The President argues that Washington must not allow small conflicts to “fester and spread.” But U.S. policy has consistently failed. Somalia was a disaster, reconciliation is a fantasy in Bosnia, Haiti now enjoys a presidential instead of military dictatorship, only diplomacy kept the peace in Korea, Iraq remains recalcitrant, and U.S. threats have changed nothing in Kosovo.[/quote]

The Iranian sanctions have caused unspeakable misery to millions of people and have escalated to atrocious levels over the years, not to mention that Clinton made an awful situation created by Bush, turn a million times worse in Somalia. Also, the World Bank and the IMF (which are controlled by the US and its allies) led the dismantling of the Russian economy under the despicable Boris Yeltsin. I guess you're one of those people who claim that Communism is to blame for everything and Putin is trying to rebuild the USSR, right?

And by the way, telling the truth has NOTHING to do with destabilizing the West. American Imperialism and neoliberal economic policies are doing the job just fine.

Sore WIllie

A link to the Koch funded Cato Institute? Is American imperialism a threat to transnational robber baron imperialism that must be defeated?

R290, Yet, all of Carter's siblings died young.

^All of Jimmy’s nuclear family died of pancreatic cancer, with only Miss Lillian, who died at 85, living beyond the age of 63.

[quote]Oh, dear. Bill's gait...

Don't most people leave the hospital in a wheelchair? It must suck [italic]to have to[/italic] walk to the car just to prove that he can.

I hope he fully recovers soon... and eats some meat.

R291 is obviously a right wing shill.

R291 After being shut down for misrepresenting USA vs NATO's activities in the Balkans you now deflect to other areas of the world. It's tiresome. .

In your Serbian fervour you forget one critical historic occurance. BTW. Serbian and Croatian cancer rates are nearly the same.

r296 Good point about the wheelchair. or I should say lack of one. Wasn't a better look seeing him walk like he was 100.

Why is everything with these two always kind of "off"? I voted for both of them but jeeze.

Why is everything with these two always kind of ̶"̶o̶f̶f̶"̶ 𝑝ℎ𝑜𝑛𝑦.

Because they are and people buy it anyway

Everybody's getting so fucking old. The Boomers are on their way out.

A friend of mine had a blood infection and was in the hospital longer than Clinton and he was much younger. It's serious shit. He probably will have a nurse at home taking his temp a lot.

If Hillary's smart she'll demand some old crone of a nurse and not some pretty young thing.

Hillary doesn't give a fuck what Bill does with his withered parts. He'd flirt with a doorknob anyway.

The really juicy details in the Ken Starr report were in the footnotes. There, it was stated that Bill and Monica also participated in "oral/anal contact" . . . she was rimming him.

True, Hillary probably stopped giving a shit what Bill did with his dick a long time ago.

So Clinton lived to leave the hospital. All that “concern” in this thread for nothing.

R307, There could always be a relapse.

The whole point of this "concern" is the unconscious or very deliberate wish for Clinton to die. So the wisest and loneliest of DL old men contributors can tooth suck, mourn and pontificate for a week. At least. He's a president and then a presidential funeral with all the participants - so it would provide the lonely losers here with at least a month of observation and mourning. Internet vampires. DL only has about 72 regular posters and they get lonely/bored in between deaths and murders and natural catastrophe. That's when they post about Joan, Liza and Judy!

Clinton deserves more than the once over from this crowd. A lot of gay men over 65 seem to like to see others fail. In health and life. He's just a man. Not one worth projecting too much upon.

We're spiritual beings on a human journey, not the other way round. Check yourself.

I don't know. Bill looked pretty unsteady leaving the hospital Why does he have such bad health any way?. He used to jog during his Presidentcy.

He used to jog *to McDonald's* during his Presidency.

r309 = ancient white fags troll who doesn't know fuck-all about anything.

[quote]Why does he have such bad health any way?. He used to jog during his Presidentcy.

He had a terrible diet for years and years. He was addicted to McDonald's, this was a running joke during his presidency.

He ate the old-time Southern way, lots of fried stuff, lots of butter and red meat etc.

R309 touched a much deeper truth while addressing the general topic. Of course he knows more than his weak and worried detractors. (R312)

R112 *is* one of the OLD WHITE GAY MEN OVER 65 plus 10!!! That ANCIENT white fag ain't got no other life than pissing on Datalounge. The Clinton's would hate him. What a waste of human flesh. Rot.

What you fear most will meet you halfway, as my grandfather would say. Back in Trinidad. Heed this message R312.

May Jesus visit healing to your troubled mind this night. Put down the bottle and go to sleep. Don't choke on the truth. It will come for you.

^^Insane freak. Put your troubled mind out of its misery.

R314. Grease fire for you, hun.

R256 I agree with most of what you said, except he aint flaccid.

He may not get as hard or hard as often, but when that old peen gets excited, he wants to get off.

Everybody knows that Bill hasn't been into fucking for a long time. He doesn't care about that. His (and many men's) preferred sexual activity is to get blowjobs. Paula and Monica can confirm this. And you don't usually need a pill for that.

As R261 said he likes eating pussy.

He also likes fingering pussy - remember Monica?

I seriously doubt that this tiger has changed his stripes. He's a rich former POTUS! He's doing somebody.

Hillary probably hasn't sucked that dick since before they were married.

R309 did you wander over from The Ladies' Home Journal?

R314 you are a Jehovah's Witnesses, aren't you?

All the gods have blessed me. I am a child of the universe.

r318 he's the troll who calls everybody ancient white fags, a total mental case.

R279 the American Journal of Political Science published an analysis of the data in the 1990s that if Perot hurt anyone, he hurt Clinton more than Bush. If you want to cling to a Republican talking point that was deployed to undermine the legitimacy of Clinton’s presidency and excuse Bush’s loss, I guess that’s fine, but quit acting like all of the best data available is “just an opinion.” Pretending that some opinion pieces you found via Google are the same as rigorous analysis of the data by trained political scientists is like suggesting that the scientists at NASA have an opinion about whether or not we went to the moon and a website you found has an opinion that it was a hoax staged by Stanley Kubrick and reasonable people can disagree about which opinion is correct.

R322, it’s not a Republican talking point and I’m not a Republican. I for one am glad Perot hurt Bush, because Bush sucked. I don’t think it undermined Clinton’s legacy at all. You cite one place for your argument, and I acknowledge that it is definitely a legitimate argument. There is data that points otherwise, though, and it’s not by people who think the moon landing was fake. Bad can agree to disagree, but the end result was good for the country.

In any case, it all turned out great… Poppy Bush was defeated. He never should have been elected in the first place.

Damn…”We can agree to disagree” at r323.

R308 is DefatTurd keeping hope alive

Any updates on this? Did Clinton’s sepsis come back to kill him yet?

R323 I would just like to know what the data is, because as far as I’m aware there is no serious data pointing to your conclusion. It’s typically more of an argument like, “In spite of the data, had Perot not distracted Bush, then Bush would have been able to destroy the Clinton campaign.” And that’s simply conjecture, the same as arguing that Bernie Sanders would have beaten Trump in 2016 or that Reagan would have beaten Carter in 1976. And THAT is what the poster I originally responded to (I don’t know if that’s you or not) was accusing someone upthread of doing: rewriting history.

Beyond the question of Perot’s voters breaking even for Clinton and Bush in the exit polls and analysis showing that Perot’s voters were demographically more like Clinton’s than Bush’s, before Perot entered the race Bush’s approval rating in Feb 1992 had fallen to 39%. Only one president in the history of polling (Truman) has won an election when his approval rating has fallen below 40% in an election year. And Pat Buchanan led a rebellion on the right against Bush’s re-election in 1992 that fractured the party in a way that’s never helpful for the party in power in an election year (Democrats in 68 and 80, GOP in 76 etc.) Finally, Truman is the only incumbent president since records began to have won an election in a year when the unemployment rate ended higher than it had been at the end of the previous year. So Bush faced some very strong headwinds without Ross Perot.

And this idea that Perot cost Bush the election was absolutely a GOP talking point deployed to question the legitimacy of Clinton’s presidency from the start. The entire argument is that Clinton never had the support of a majority of the voters, and that had it not been for Perot, that would have been clear to everyone because Bush would have defeated Clinton.

And honestly I don’t give a shit about any of this. I don’t care if people believe Perot cost Bush the election. But the person I was first responding to took the attitude that anyone who didn’t know that it was a proven fact that Clinton only won because of Perot was an ignorant Millennial Bernie Bro trying to rewrite history who needed to be educated by the smart Boomers who knew better. And the fact is that among political scientists who study and analyze the data, the idea that Bush would have defeated Clinton if Perot had stayed out of the race is (if it even exists) a minority opinion unsupported by any data I’m aware of. And that’s all I wanted you (or whoever that original poster was who I was responding to) to acknowledge.

R327, thanks for your post. For the record, I didn’t say that Clinton wouldn’t have won anyway. I said that Perot damaged Bush more than Clinton. But you make excellent points.

I forgot all about Ross Perot.

Has this affected donations to the Clinton Foundation?

Home.

But looking frail.

R331, that is what he’s looked like for the last fifteen fucking years.

I actually met him seven years ago, R332, and he was healthy and energetic.

And insanely charismatic.

So, not 15 years. Maybe 5.

I’m glad he’s home and I hope he’s with us for a long time to come.

He’s definitely looking his age, but to be fair, he’s no spring chicken!

When you're 75 you're generally going to look like shit no matter what.

[quote] When you're 75 you're generally going to look like shit no matter what.

Not if my surgeon can help it!

[quote] that is what he’s looked like for the last fifteen fucking years.

R338 well, if you were married to Shrillary. . .

What's the deal with his sweater? Is that a pineapple on it?

I fear the same person who bought Hillary the Mao Tse Tung yellow jacket bought Bill that sweater.

[quote] When you're 75 you're generally going to look like shit no matter what.

Mitt is on the threshold and looks 1000% better.

On the other hand, can anyone explain to me why he agues that education should be handled on the local level and the federal government should have no involvement BUT then turns around and complains about the federal government giving money to his state who didn't really need it... Isn't his complaint with his own damn STATE government for accepting money they don't need?

R331 Bill doesn't look as frail as he sounds. DAMN! I wanna hand him some water so he can clear his throat.

He's not a bad looking man. At 75 yo he is 6'2" and still working with a head full of hair and not all bent over or out of shape. His neck is starting to wrinkle but his face isn't bad. Those Irish genes coulda destroyed him.

He needs a makeover though.

Bill looks like an old nun (AKA an old lesbian). He needs to let that 1980s haircut go, grow some facial hair and embrace his Daddy status! A nice little trimmed silver beard would look nice.

A little sun wouldn't hurt either. He's giving me a little Casper the friendly ghost vibe right now. I didn't like the skinny jeans when he left the hospital. He's too old for that. And as mentioned, that awful sweater doesn't help.

HOSPITAL=vacation from Hillary

R343, I think they already lead separate lives.

What on earth is that sweater?

It’s just a genetic lottery. I know an 80 YO who looks ten years younger than Bill and golfs everyday, and spent his life eating the food Bill used to with no heart issues.

R344 now they no longer have anything to lead so they are stuck together as old couples frequently are.

At this point, I think a makeover is pretty far down on Bill's to-do list.

r344 They even have separate houses.

I can remember Barbara Walters interviewing him when his memoirs came out. His office where he wrote was basically a smaller house behind the main one.

He "joked" that it had a bedroom so if he's up late writing he doesn't have to disturb Hillary when he goes to bed. It was odd. It was sort of like he was saying that he lives there all the time and she lives in the house.

As long as they remain married neither can be compelled to testify against the other

R348 Barbara Walters has spend the last decade in seclusion shitting in her diapers and Bill who looks like death warmed over isn't going to Epstein Island anymore or even playing golf and Hillary with her fainting spells and falls and low blood pressure are rather stuck with each other more than ever. And no one believed they were sleeping in the same bed or bedroom for decades.

Bingo R349 aka Carmela Soprano. I thought everyone realized that is why Shrillary always Stood by her man! They can't stitch each other up. Bet the Holidays around their home fires are a bundle of fun.

R236, provide a list of trips by date and length of stay. Otherwise you are a Trumper just making stuff up.

not r236 but google does show some trips

R299, everything is off because of trolls like you. Conservatives robbed the government of millions on a fishing expedition and then spent another 20+ years lying about everything connected with the Clintons.

Fox News reported in May 2016 that Clinton went on at least 26 trips aboard Epstein’s plane — the “Lolita Express” — between 2001 and 2003, according to flight logs from the Federal Aviation Administration. Listed as the destination for those trips were exotic locales like the Azores, Singapore, Brunei, Norway, and Russia, among others.

So if this is fake news, Clinton should sue FOX News, right?

If even those slimy fucking pigs Ken Starr and all his minions couldn't find anything incriminating about Clinton, then there really is nothing there. Those pigs were obsessed for years with finding anything incriminating at all about him and even they had to admit he never did anything illegal in regards to Whitewater, Travelgate and all the other stuff they investigated. All they could get was that bullshit perjury charge in a civil case where he lied about a private sexual matter, which was pretty weak.

Fox News, R355?? Of course they did. And they say that the COVID vaccine causes all kinds of problems and January 6 at the capitol was just a harmless rally.

r357 you're simply too stupid to address or insult. besos

Bill skipped Colin Powell's funeral on Friday.

Hillary sat in that front row like a widow.

Hillary sat in that front row like a widow.

She wished, If Bill had the good grace to die in October, 2016 the sympathy factor would probably have pulled her across the finish line

If she had listened to Bill in Oct. 2016 and focused on the rust belt instead of trying to flip AZ.............the whole world would be different today.

R352 so what do you suppose the relationship between Clinton and Epstein was about? or for that matter the relationship between the Clintons and Trump? So much in common

The Clintons and Trump are cut from the same ruthless cloth. Trump's more dangerous though because he's mentally ill.

Hillary could not go full throttle on Trump in 2016 because they have mutual secrets.

Trump is needy and desperate and will say or do anything because he has A LOT less to lose - he's already a reviled figure.

I don't believe Clinton was fucking with kids down on Epstein's "Fantasy Island." Horndog? YES! Pedpphile? I don't think so. Those are two very different things.

Who knows what Trump was doing down there since he is crazy.

I think everyone down on that island was up to something shady and probably illegal which is why they had to get rid of Epstein.

Very weak analysis. Instead of just making it up as you go along, why not read some history about the conservative right and what they got up to, getting Reagan into office and subsequently? Additionally, we do know that Gore made the wrong call, because Clinton had very high popularity and there was little support for the impeachment.

Check out Democracy in Chains by historian Nancy MacClean, and the Shadow Network by Anne Nelson.. Clinton was not perfect, but the real history shows that the hijack was on well before Clinton.

[quote]He "joked" that it had a bedroom so if he's up late writing he doesn't have to disturb Hillary when he goes to bed. It was odd.

That's not really odd after decades of marriage.

He was just using the pedo for his private jet. He went all over the world for his charity...some celebs went along as well.

Again? What's he hospitalized for this time?

Wow! Spin city. private pedo jet becomes charity plane LOL!

R364, I don't have to read books or listen to whine about things you know nothing about, because I lived through it.

I'm a Democrat and I can admit that the Clintons have done some low down shit. That is the biggest problem with politics today is people get into tribe mentality and hold these people up as gods! They're not.

What does Gore have to do with this? Nobody even mentioned him. Are you on some kind of stream of consciousness shit or what? LOL

Was Trump on a whole different level of corruption? YES! Is there a comparison between the two? NO, but I am not gonna excuse the shady shit the Clintons have done just because it doesn't fit your narrative.

I am well aware of GOP corruption and how they chased Clinton down to find something, anything on him. I also know that the GOP and the Democrats have red lines that they won't touch with each other.

There are things politicians know about each other, just as reporters never touched on Kennedy being a horndog and a hoe, or showed FDR in a wheelchair. There are all kinds of secrets. Don't be so fucking naive. None of these people walk on water. This is politics!

What does Gore have to do with anything from the environment to the internet?

The poster who mentioned Gore was saying Gore’s 2000 campaign should have embraced and used Clinton instead of pushing him away and trying to distance Gore from him. I agree that might have won Gore the election.

[quote]NO, but I am not gonna excuse the shady shit the Clintons have done just because it doesn't fit your narrative.

[quote]I am well aware of GOP corruption and how they chased Clinton down to find something, anything on him. I also know that the GOP and the Democrats have red lines that they won't touch with each other.

What do you know R369?

Beyond speculation you know nothing. If you did you wouldn't be posting on DL.

Idiot!

R372 Your mother is an idiot!

I don't have to post to your satisfaction or prove anything to you. What do you think this is?

Who the fuck are you? HAHAHAHA

You petty ass, no life having, nit picking mother fucker! LOL

If you don't like what I post then just Fuck off. Ok? 🤪

If you were pro-Serbian that's because you're a Nazi just like the Serbians were. Bill saved the Kosovars from genocide.