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Several killed in Norway bow and arrow attack

Media reports say the attacker opened fire at a Coop Extra supermarket on Kongsberg's west side. Residents were ordered to stay indoors.

The suspect has now been taken to a police station in the town of Drammen, police said.

As yet police say the number of casualties is unclear, as is the motive for the attack. The injured have been taken for treatment at nearby hospitals.

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by Anonymousreply 196October 19, 2021 2:23 AM

bAn gUnS!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 1October 13, 2021 8:09 PM

Probably a Game of Thrones party that got out of control

by Anonymousreply 2October 13, 2021 8:14 PM

We Need to Talk About Nils.

by Anonymousreply 3October 13, 2021 8:15 PM

Taco shortage? 🌮

by Anonymousreply 4October 13, 2021 8:16 PM

This is NOT the time to talk about bow & arrow control.

by Anonymousreply 5October 13, 2021 8:17 PM

Who uses a bow and arrow to mass murder people? JFC

by Anonymousreply 6October 13, 2021 8:17 PM

"Opened fire"? Were they flaming arrows?

by Anonymousreply 7October 13, 2021 8:26 PM

[quote] Who uses a bow and arrow to mass murder people? JFC

You certain about the JFC part?

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by Anonymousreply 8October 13, 2021 9:00 PM

Well the good thing is the murder isn't going to be that mass because he used an arrow rather than a gun r6.

by Anonymousreply 9October 13, 2021 9:17 PM

Was it from followers of that peaceful religion?

by Anonymousreply 10October 13, 2021 9:34 PM

He would’ve killed 50 people with an AR-15.

by Anonymousreply 11October 13, 2021 10:27 PM

You think the victims went to Valhalla?

by Anonymousreply 12October 13, 2021 11:20 PM

This is why I never eat lutefisk.

by Anonymousreply 13October 13, 2021 11:22 PM

As much as Europeans love to tsk tsk Americans about guns, no American has the body count of Anders Brevik. Norwegians are fucking twisted.

by Anonymousreply 14October 13, 2021 11:36 PM

5 dead

It may have been a cross bow

by Anonymousreply 15October 13, 2021 11:43 PM

Bow and arrow? What an amateur! WE USE GUNS TIME ANF TIME AGAIN

by Anonymousreply 16October 13, 2021 11:43 PM

AND*

by Anonymousreply 17October 13, 2021 11:43 PM

Local whitey but a convert to the religion of peace

by Anonymousreply 18October 13, 2021 11:45 PM

Muslim convert

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by Anonymousreply 19October 13, 2021 11:46 PM

Green Arrow must be on the rampage again!

by Anonymousreply 20October 13, 2021 11:51 PM

[quote] Muslim convert

Allāhu ʾakbar

by Anonymousreply 21October 13, 2021 11:53 PM

It seems we've reached the pointy end of the story.

by Anonymousreply 22October 14, 2021 12:02 AM

FETISH

by Anonymousreply 23October 14, 2021 12:12 AM

I fucking knew it.

by Anonymousreply 24October 14, 2021 12:13 AM

White but a Muslim.

As if anyone needed more proof there's a strong correlation between mental illness and Islam.

by Anonymousreply 25October 14, 2021 12:34 AM

The insidious part of a bow and arrow attack is that it’s silent. You could be around a corner, and not know someone was shooting a lethal weapon.

by Anonymousreply 26October 14, 2021 12:38 AM

Uffda!

by Anonymousreply 27October 14, 2021 12:44 AM

[Quote] The insidious part of a bow and arrow attack is that it’s silent.

Yes, it's called Caliphate.

by Anonymousreply 28October 14, 2021 12:45 AM

Bows don't kill people, arrows do.

by Anonymousreply 29October 14, 2021 12:46 AM

I mean they worship their prophet who fucked 9 year old girls, but condemn gay men to death. So yes, islam is for low IQ mentally deranged psychos.

by Anonymousreply 30October 14, 2021 12:49 AM

They make scary looking high powered cross bows.

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by Anonymousreply 31October 14, 2021 12:50 AM

[quote] Green Arrow must be on the rampage again!

Where is the Flash when we need him

by Anonymousreply 32October 14, 2021 1:01 AM

/.

by Anonymousreply 33October 14, 2021 1:15 AM

Norway's 2nd Amendment is the right to own a bow and arrow.

by Anonymousreply 34October 14, 2021 1:17 AM

R14 It's not for lack of trying.

by Anonymousreply 35October 14, 2021 1:23 AM

If there had only been a good guy with a bow and arrow.

by Anonymousreply 36October 14, 2021 2:01 AM

Norway has probably the most lenient punishments for crime in Europe. The mass shooting in 2011 by Anders Breivek that resulted in 77 deaths only got him 21 year prison sentence with the option to extend it 5 years. There is little deterrence for such crimes with such an absurd legal system.

by Anonymousreply 37October 14, 2021 2:19 AM

Jeez, Breivik’s mother was a nut.

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by Anonymousreply 38October 14, 2021 2:27 AM

Bow and arrows don't kill people.....people kill people.

by Anonymousreply 39October 14, 2021 2:51 AM

Because this happened in Norway he’ll get a stern talking-to and a stiff two-month prison term, several million dollars worth of psych treatment, and then he’ll be made a citizen and a home will be bought for him.

by Anonymousreply 40October 14, 2021 4:53 AM

R40, he won't get off THAT easy. I'm sure his room will have a PS4 instead of a PS5!

by Anonymousreply 41October 14, 2021 9:38 AM

A recent convert to Islam who had previously came to the attention of security services over terror concerns according to Norwegian police...

I saw a docu once about someone killed with a crossbow. They showed the crossbow and arrow and it looked lethal so it's easy to see how this guy could have killed so many with one, and crossbows must be easy to get hold of. The one in the docu had an arrow specially designed so that anyone shot with it would definitely die, so that was extra gruesome.

by Anonymousreply 42October 14, 2021 9:59 AM

The guy himself is Danish.

by Anonymousreply 43October 14, 2021 11:08 AM

Religion of Pierce

by Anonymousreply 44October 14, 2021 11:10 AM

What a dumb statement r37. America has very long prison sentences and more mass shootings than anyone. Long prison sentences don't deter people from committing crimes.

by Anonymousreply 45October 14, 2021 11:13 AM

The punishment must fit the crime. Anders is serving a mere 3 months for each of the 77 deaths.

by Anonymousreply 46October 14, 2021 11:36 AM

It's just wall-to-wall rightwing nutjobs on DL during daytime hours, isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 47October 14, 2021 11:39 AM

The Religion of Peace

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by Anonymousreply 48October 14, 2021 12:12 PM

Must have been such a painful death

by Anonymousreply 49October 14, 2021 12:16 PM

What has the world come to when you can't even walk around safely in the streets without being offed by psycho bow and arrow crazies.

by Anonymousreply 50October 14, 2021 12:40 PM

The gay man’s religion strikes again.

by Anonymousreply 51October 14, 2021 12:48 PM

R14, Norway has far fewer murders than the US. Try again

by Anonymousreply 52October 14, 2021 12:51 PM

R40, and yet Norway still has a low crime rate.

by Anonymousreply 53October 14, 2021 12:52 PM

There were reports that he used a crossbow but police wouldn't verify that.

by Anonymousreply 54October 14, 2021 12:54 PM

R37 And yet Norway has one of the world's lowest rates of recidivism

by Anonymousreply 55October 14, 2021 12:56 PM

[quote]Norway has far fewer murders than the US.

[quote] Norway still has a low crime rate.

[quote] yet Norway has one of the world's lowest rates of recidivism

ALL because of a miniscule population of 5.4 million people and homogeneous society of 75% ethnic Norwegians.

by Anonymousreply 56October 14, 2021 12:59 PM

^^And because Norway is a petro-state whose economy is super stable with generous benefits and strong social safety net due to an enormous trust fund filled with North Sea oil money.

by Anonymousreply 57October 14, 2021 1:07 PM

His name certainly doesn't sound Muslim.

Is it even possible that Christians cause terrorism?????????

by Anonymousreply 58October 14, 2021 1:10 PM

[quote] ALL because of a miniscule population of 5.4 million people and homogeneous society of 75% ethnic Norwegians.

No, it's because there aren't extremes of poverty.

Poverty is the main force behind crime.

by Anonymousreply 59October 14, 2021 1:11 PM

R57 All that oil money and Norwegians still pay high tax rates. Their take-home pay is 72.5% of their gross wage. The OECD average is 75.2%.

[quote]Poverty is the main excuse behind crime.

by Anonymousreply 60October 14, 2021 1:16 PM

R60, the high taxes allow for a strong safety-net, which supports everyone. No one fears the crush of poverty because they'll still have access to food, medicine, school, childcare.

by Anonymousreply 61October 14, 2021 1:20 PM

[quote] All that oil money and Norwegians still pay high tax rates. Their take-home pay is 72.5% of their gross wage. The OECD average is 75.2%.

NYers pay more in taxes than that and we don't get crap

by Anonymousreply 62October 14, 2021 1:21 PM

Norway would never be able to provide the level of social services they do if it weren’t for oil money. You could tax at a 50% rate and not have the services they do.

Norway is, at the end of the day, a petrostate. A well-administered one but a peteostate nonetheless. Comparing their economy and tax rates to that of a normal economy are apples to oranges.

by Anonymousreply 63October 14, 2021 1:25 PM

[quote]Norway would never be able to provide the level of social services they do if it weren’t for oil money

Got any kind of source to back up that claim?

by Anonymousreply 64October 14, 2021 1:28 PM

"The mass shooting in 2011 by Anders Breivek that resulted in 77 deaths only got him 21 year prison sentence with the option to extend it 5 years. There is little deterrence for such crimes with such an absurd legal system. "

While I completely agree that his sentence was bullshit, I completely disagree with the second proposition. People who shoot up 77 people aren't deterred by the threat of long terms of imprisonment.

by Anonymousreply 65October 14, 2021 1:29 PM

Playlist

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by Anonymousreply 66October 14, 2021 1:30 PM

[quote]No one fears the crush of poverty because they'll still have access to food, medicine, school, childcare.

And that's exactly because of Norway's miniscule, homogeneous population.

by Anonymousreply 67October 14, 2021 1:31 PM

A bow and arrow (or crossbow) is such a Scandinavian weapon.

by Anonymousreply 68October 14, 2021 1:35 PM

R64 A brief overview of the economy of Norway will tell the tale. It is, at the end of the day, a low-skill work force focused on extractive industries like oil, mining, timber, and fishing.

The first paragraph of the linked Wiki says as much:

[quote] The country has a very high standard of living compared with other European countries, and a strongly integrated welfare system. Norway's modern manufacturing and welfare system rely on a financial reserve produced by exploitation of natural resources, particularly North Sea oil.

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by Anonymousreply 69October 14, 2021 1:36 PM

So in other words, no, you just pulled it out of your ass.

In fact, Norway has only made withdrawals from the fund four times - in 2016, 2017, 2020 and 2021 in response to challenging economic times and then the pandemic, rather than just to fund regular spending.

[quote]The first time Norway’s government withdrew money from the GPFG was 2016 – 20 years after the first inflow to the fund from the country’s petroleum revenues – with Norway’s financial fortunes having been hit by the fall in the global price of oil. In that year, the net withdrawal was NOK101bn, the SWF’s manager Norges Bank Investment Management (NBIM) reported. A smaller amount was withdrawn in 2017, which was followed by two years with net inflows into the GPFG. In 2020, however, the net withdrawal by the government was NOK298bn, according to NBIM.

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by Anonymousreply 70October 14, 2021 1:42 PM

There are drawbacks to oil dependency.

"Norway's oil income plunges with weak crude prices, tax relief"

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by Anonymousreply 71October 14, 2021 1:42 PM

[quote] And that's exactly because of Norway's miniscule, homogeneous population.

No, it's because the country (and much of the developed world) is committed to investing in its people.

"Homogenity" makes no difference. Everyone gets the same diseases. If one ethnicity seems to have more diabetes over another, that's a societal problem, rarely a biological one.

by Anonymousreply 72October 14, 2021 1:43 PM

You realize things are tracked on a per capita basis r56? Population size differences don't affect any per capita measures.

by Anonymousreply 73October 14, 2021 1:43 PM

Yes, countries like Norway and Switzerland make it almost impossible for 3rd grade educated illiterate impoverished immigrants to get in.

by Anonymousreply 74October 14, 2021 1:44 PM

"I've had just enough of your Norway bashing, young lady."

by Anonymousreply 75October 14, 2021 1:46 PM

[quote]r59 Poverty is the main force behind crime.

And mental illness.

by Anonymousreply 76October 14, 2021 1:51 PM

R70, you do realize that all the oil profit isn’t just put into a trust fund? A fraction is. The rest flows through the economy.

You also don’t think that they keep the trust fund in a shoe box under the bed, right? It’s invested and just as the interest on a deficit costs our federal budget, the interest from their surplus supplements theirs. Even the money they borrow is done so at a low rate because they have the trust fund to guarantee the loan.

You don’t understand the Norwegian economy, or economics in general, so please stop embarrassing yourself.

by Anonymousreply 77October 14, 2021 1:52 PM

[quote] it's because the country (and much of the developed world) is committed to investing in its people.

R72 And that's because the government has the wherewithall to "invest" due to a miniscule, largely educated population.

[quote]"Homogenity" makes no difference.

Yes, it does. The smaller and more homogeneous the population, the more cohesive the society is. Far less friction and less social discontent. Look at the vast social differences between Norway and, say, England or France.

by Anonymousreply 78October 14, 2021 1:54 PM

[quote] [R40], and yet Norway still has a low crime rate

[quote] [R37] And yet Norway has one of the world's lowest rates of recidivism

And yet this guy’s victims’ families get to see him released in a few years and do a victory lap for his jihad.

by Anonymousreply 79October 14, 2021 1:55 PM

R77 I didn't write the article. Reuters did. Address your comments to them.

by Anonymousreply 80October 14, 2021 1:55 PM

R77 Apologies, Tone. A bit of a mix-up.

by Anonymousreply 81October 14, 2021 1:57 PM

Oh for fuck's sakes. wherewithal wherewithal wherewithal wherewithal

by Anonymousreply 82October 14, 2021 2:03 PM

R79 More than likely he’ll be given the same “containment” sentence as Brevik, meaning he can be imprisoned indefinitely.

by Anonymousreply 83October 14, 2021 2:15 PM

R77 Embarrass myself? Says the guy who linked to the introductory paragraph of Wikipedia as proof of his claim? Yeah okay.

by Anonymousreply 84October 14, 2021 2:17 PM

R84, as if you’d understand anything else…

I know my audience. If I’m wrong, prove it.

by Anonymousreply 85October 14, 2021 2:21 PM

R85 Already have. You're the one now blathering rather than presenting anything to counter it. You really are a fool.

by Anonymousreply 86October 14, 2021 2:22 PM

Cant you hear all of the Muslim religious leaders condemning his actions.....No....You will have a long wait to hear that one.

by Anonymousreply 87October 14, 2021 2:37 PM

[quote] Espen Andersen Bråthen, 37, named as the Norway 'terrorist' who cops say was a radicalised Muslim convert

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by Anonymousreply 88October 14, 2021 4:41 PM

Troubled

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by Anonymousreply 89October 14, 2021 4:42 PM

If he wants to be a muslim the killings are a good start but where is the beard?

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by Anonymousreply 90October 14, 2021 4:51 PM

They talked about this on the news today, and the Norwegian officials said "We can only say it was a man" who killed the people, which is usually code for "Muslim fanatic". No other information provided, officially.

by Anonymousreply 91October 14, 2021 6:48 PM

Is he a gay man?

by Anonymousreply 92October 14, 2021 6:56 PM

He must either be messed up in the head to think that although he is a white Muslim convert, there could not possibly be other white Muslim converts in Norway

or

he converted under the impression he could have a religious exemption to go kill people, although no Muslim terrorists so far have been known to escape prosecution when captured

by Anonymousreply 93October 14, 2021 7:03 PM

The problem is that, like lots of attacks like this, the perp is clearly a nutjob - only when it's a white male nutjob, the discussion is a lament about "hate", and when it's a Muslim nutjob, the focus is on his psychiatric problems and criminal history - but the word "hate" is avoided.

by Anonymousreply 94October 14, 2021 7:05 PM

The media also buries these stories.

by Anonymousreply 95October 14, 2021 7:08 PM

If it involves a Muslim. Sometimes they don’t even report on it. Or omit facts—like “Muslim”.

by Anonymousreply 96October 14, 2021 7:08 PM

Did somebody get their costume dissed at the Oslo Comic Con. And then decided to show them a thing or two about how authentic it was - ‘yeah these are fuck’n real arrows bitch, how’s that feel’.

by Anonymousreply 97October 14, 2021 7:11 PM

[quote] If it involves a Muslim. Sometimes they don’t even report on it. Or omit facts—like “Muslim”.

American Trust in Media Approaches All-Time Low: Gallup Poll

The data they gathered shows that only 36 percent of Americans say they trust the media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly.

These findings, from a Sept. 1-17 poll, are the latest in Gallup’s tracking of the public’s confidence in key U.S. institutions, which began in 1972. Between 1972 and 1976, 68% to 72% of Americans expressed trust in the mass media; yet, by 1997, when the question was next asked, trust had dropped to 53%. Trust in the media, which has averaged 45% since 1997, has not reached the majority level since 2003.

by Anonymousreply 98October 14, 2021 7:15 PM

[quote] Cant you hear all of the Muslim religious leaders condemning his actions.....No....You will have a long wait to hear that one

He didn't kill them because he's Muslim. He killed them because he's crazy.

by Anonymousreply 99October 14, 2021 7:15 PM

[quote] If it involves a Muslim. Sometimes they don’t even report on it. Or omit facts—like “Muslim”.

I don't see "Christian" when there's reporting of people getting shot in cities.

by Anonymousreply 100October 14, 2021 7:16 PM

[quote] The problem is that, like lots of attacks like this, the perp is clearly a nutjob - only when it's a white male nutjob, the discussion is a lament about "hate", and when it's a Muslim nutjob, the focus is on his psychiatric problems and criminal history - but the word "hate" is avoided.

When a Muslim does anything, the word "terrorism" is the first that is used.

by Anonymousreply 101October 14, 2021 7:17 PM

r98 I'm not sure those polls really matter currently. You have one entire party who has been working the refs by slamming the bias of the mainstream media even though mainstream corporate media is mostly center-right, and one of the most major news corporations (Fox News) isn't considered "mainstream media" by a lot of the population, although Republicans are now thinking Fox News is too centrist and moving further and further right to Newsmax and OANN.

by Anonymousreply 102October 14, 2021 7:19 PM

What if he’s not crazy.

by Anonymousreply 103October 14, 2021 7:21 PM

[Quote] When a Muslim does anything, the word "terrorism" is the first that is used.

YES because MOST of the time IT IS but you knew that, hon.

by Anonymousreply 104October 14, 2021 7:28 PM

R104 So all the white CHRISTIAN men who have been shooting up our schools, our churches, and our - gulp - country music festivals don’t count?

by Anonymousreply 105October 14, 2021 9:52 PM
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by Anonymousreply 106October 14, 2021 10:13 PM

[Quote] YES because MOST of the time IT IS but you knew that, hon.

Actually it’s not. In fact, the FBI admitted during a congressional hearing that it only classified killings by Muslims terrorism. It wasn’t even allowed to use that option for anyone else doing the killing.

That was under Trump of course.

by Anonymousreply 107October 14, 2021 10:57 PM

[Quote] So all the white CHRISTIAN men who have been shooting up our schools, our churches, and our - gulp - country music festivals don’t count?

Oh no. They have mental issues. They’re not terrorists

by Anonymousreply 108October 14, 2021 10:58 PM

Ahh the what aboutism I love so much. A Christian shooter kills people 5 years ago , why don’t we talk about that as much? . People are killed on the name of ISLAM EVERY SINGLE DAY and it is like wow these people are obviously fascists to discuss this.

by Anonymousreply 109October 15, 2021 12:42 AM

Bitch R109 there are homosexuals being killed everyday in Christian Russia and its Christian client states as well. Famous ones, disappeared off the street, with full sanction and help by the state so you can miss me with this selective naming and shaming.

by Anonymousreply 110October 15, 2021 12:57 AM

Bitch r110 This thread is about fucking killings in fucking Norway not fucking Russia.Start a thread on Russian killings in Russia.

by Anonymousreply 111October 15, 2021 1:04 AM

Fuck you R111

R109 said:

[quote] People are killed on the name of ISLAM EVERY SINGLE DAY and it is like wow these people are obviously fascists to discuss this.

This is obviously not true in Norway you fucking broadened the conversation past the national boarders of Norway, you ignorant cunt.

by Anonymousreply 112October 15, 2021 1:12 AM

Because I was answering r105 who was talking about America

But if you want that conversation let’s have it. Tell me how how every single Muslim country in the World , bar a few ,either imprison Gay people or execute them. We can talk about Christian intolerance until the cows come home. Some of it ,absolutely legitimately. But until it is acknowledged that Islam does not have a place for Gay people except dead and proactively makes sure that occurs we are talking from different books.

I am sick of being subjected to the what aboutism of being in a secular rich Christian country as opposed to an Islamic. Tell me how our Gay brothers and sisters are faring in Afghanistan under the Taliban after we left them because it wasn’t our problem and “we have our own Taliban in the US”.?

by Anonymousreply 113October 15, 2021 1:25 AM

R113, if you’re mother wasn’t a pregnant drunk you’d be able to see past the end of your nose.

You insist on naming a blaming one particular faith and when anyone has the temerity to mention the fast that you, in your FAS-ism, can’t see that it’s not ONE extremist religion but ALL extremist religions you BLOW THE FUCK UP AND START OVERUSING CAPITALIZATION!

Also, Muslim Extremists don’t kill people everyday in America either, so my original point still stands, you ignorant cunt.

by Anonymousreply 114October 15, 2021 1:37 AM

Breivik only managed to do what he did because he had access to guns, r14. That's the issue, allowing people access to guns. Regardless of Breivik's individual count, there are so many more gun deaths in the US each year because of easy access to guns.

by Anonymousreply 115October 15, 2021 2:02 AM

I will never understand why people can't just be honest with Islam. At its worst? It's a shitty religion. Horrible. Acting like it isn't doesn't do anyone any favors.

We all know Christianity, at its worst, is shitty. Horrible. We have no problem rightfully calling that out.

But Islam is some weird sacred cow. Makes no sense.

by Anonymousreply 116October 15, 2021 3:01 AM

He's a fatty.

by Anonymousreply 117October 15, 2021 3:17 AM

Another member of the goddamned Rainbow Coalition at R116

They’re all liberal, diverse, and every single one of them has a history of anti trans trolling on here. What a coincidence!

by Anonymousreply 118October 15, 2021 3:20 AM

The Muslim apologists on this thread should learn the difference between terrorists and someone with readily-available guns and a grudge. See Europe, Asia and Africa for on-going examples of Muslim TERRORISM.

by Anonymousreply 119October 15, 2021 4:43 AM

Comprehensive data on US mass shootings.

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by Anonymousreply 120October 15, 2021 7:39 AM

[quote] If one ethnicity seems to have more diabetes over another, that's a societal problem, rarely a biological one.

That simply not true.

by Anonymousreply 121October 15, 2021 8:01 AM

119 at least they're not blaming Jews for this one.

by Anonymousreply 122October 15, 2021 9:21 AM

I grew up going to a church where the pastor would preach against homosexuality. When I came out to my ultra-religious mom, we didn't speak for sn entire year.

At no point was my life ever in danger. Rather than arranging an honor killing, a few years ago my mother had me give her away at her wedding.

The Christian crazies almost exclusively save their violence for abortion doctors and politicians. Muslims make no distinction between people they perceive to be sinners, and they consider it their job to rid the world of evil.

Yes, the Crusades were brutal and there are plenty of other historical instances of Christian-influenced violence. But in today's world, Islam stands alone in waging war against free and open societies.

Make no mistake, Islamists love the fact 'Islamaphobia" has been effectively weaponized. Over the past few years Islamists who've moved to Europe have become involved in left-leaning political parties, because they're embraced by well-intentioned idealists who don't want to offend anyone. Well based on the influx of Muslim refugees over the past decade, it will only be a matter of time before they have significant representation in local and federal governments. Just like Christian fundamentalists in the US, they'll be using their newfound power to roll back the hands of time.

by Anonymousreply 123October 15, 2021 12:06 PM

The crazy Christians who are shooting up Las Vegas and schools are also doing it in the name of religion.

by Anonymousreply 124October 15, 2021 1:04 PM

[quote] Well based on the influx of Muslim refugees over the past decade, it will only be a matter of time before they have significant representation in local and federal governments. Just like Christian fundamentalists in the US, they'll be using their newfound power to roll back the hands of time.

I'm so afraid!!!!

Actually it will take a few generations for the descendants of these refugees to enter politics. Europe, in general, is terrible at assimilation and doesn't let outsiders into their circles. The US is much better at that, but even here, it has taken generations for the children of the more recent immigrants to enter politics and have an effect.

by Anonymousreply 125October 15, 2021 1:08 PM

[quote] But in today's world, Islam stands alone in waging war against free and open societies.

I didn't see any Muslims breaking into the Capitol on Jan 6.

Even the FBI lists right wing white supremacists being the biggest terrorist threat to the US

by Anonymousreply 126October 15, 2021 1:10 PM

[quote]Actually it will take a few generations for the descendants of these refugees to enter politics.

R125 Uh, no. They have been in politics for at least a generation. See Britain's Labour Party for the results.

by Anonymousreply 127October 15, 2021 1:10 PM

R127, So, you're unhappy brown people are in politics?

by Anonymousreply 128October 15, 2021 1:13 PM

R126 there is the US and the World. The US has about 330 million people and the World 7 billion or more. While Datalounge is made up of about 80% Americans there are also 20% from the rest of the World . While this amount may seem unimportant to you wrapped in your own world ,but in a thread about Norway , clearly here to lecture us on how progressive you are. The world of the Religious Right is not the rest of the world.

Btw when the fuck has the Left embraced what the FBI and CIA say? I always thought Americans were sceptical about them ?

R128 who said they were brown? You are assuming a lot there aren’t you. You know there a lot of Eastern Europeans who are Muslim. Way to stereotype. I bet your going to tell us most Christians are white as well, when I imagine they are black. Stop trying to raise the race card. This is a religion. Islam is not a Race.

by Anonymousreply 129October 15, 2021 1:24 PM

[quote] Btw when the fuck has the Left embraced what the FBI and CIA say? I always thought Americans were sceptical about them ?

SO we're not supposed to believe the FBI and CIA when they state plainly that right wing extremists are our biggest threat--and we experience this everyday with school and other mass shootings. The vast vast vast majority of these terrorist attacked in the US are by them.

by Anonymousreply 130October 15, 2021 1:33 PM

[quote] who said they were brown? You are assuming a lot there aren’t you. You know there a lot of Eastern Europeans who are Muslim. Way to stereotype.

Isn't stereotyping exactly what you're doing when you claim Muslims are all evil and aiming to take over Western politics?

by Anonymousreply 131October 15, 2021 1:35 PM

[quote] So, you're unhappy brown people are in politics?

R128 Actually, no. Because they amply illustrated that they are just as bigoted and racist as everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 132October 15, 2021 1:39 PM

R131 I never claimed Muslims are trying to take over Western politics . I am not 128. I also would not claim Muslims are evil, as these are people, who , including my gorgeous sister, fabulous nieces and nephews, lovely ex boyfriend, and dear friends, I would never claim that. Muslims are individuals. Islam is both a Political and Religious term and I say yes it is dangerous as there is not one country where it is in majority that does not pose problems for Gay men, women and Jews.

You may think that is bigoted but I am sure you will reply with multiple examples of broad sweeps of where you believe Christians have made fuck ups and feel you are enlightened. But you displaying exactly the same bigotry you accuse others of.

by Anonymousreply 133October 15, 2021 1:48 PM

[quote]So, you're unhappy brown people are in politics?

Muslims, yes. Absolutely. I had to spoil my ballet twice in the 2020 election because I voted for a Muslim by accident. I live in a heavily Arab-populated state. I don’t vote for gays either because of how radicalized they are today. They are either hard-right or hard-left. No rational thinking gay men run for office, for some reason. But I absolutely will not vote for a Muslim to elected office. No way.

by Anonymousreply 134October 15, 2021 1:52 PM

[quote]I never claimed Muslims are trying to take over Western politics.

But it’s okay to say they are, and don’t be afraid to. You can speak out against the gay man’s religion: Islam.

by Anonymousreply 135October 15, 2021 1:56 PM

[quote] Islam is both a Political and Religious term and I say yes it is dangerous as there is not one country where it is in majority that does not pose problems for Gay men, women and Jews.

It is the same with Christian countries, so right wing ideology is the problem, not the specific religion

by Anonymousreply 136October 15, 2021 4:34 PM

[quote] Muslims, yes. Absolutely. I had to spoil my ballet twice in the 2020 election because I voted for a Muslim by accident. I live in a heavily Arab-populated state. I don’t vote for gays either because of how radicalized they are today. They are either hard-right or hard-left. No rational thinking gay men run for office, for some reason. But I absolutely will not vote for a Muslim to elected office. No way.

Can you translate that into English, please?

by Anonymousreply 137October 15, 2021 4:35 PM

[quote] I also would not claim Muslims are evil, as these are people, who , including my gorgeous sister, fabulous nieces and nephews, lovely ex boyfriend, and dear friends, I would never claim that. Muslims are individuals.

Sure, Jan

by Anonymousreply 138October 15, 2021 4:36 PM

Gay men, women, and Jews are problems living (physically living) in Christian countries?

by Anonymousreply 139October 15, 2021 4:36 PM

Mohammad Gay Man at R138.

by Anonymousreply 140October 15, 2021 4:37 PM

Say hello to Abid Raja, minister of culture and equality in Norway 2020-21. He among others proposed a law against conversion therapy for kids under 16, with possible inclusion of kids up to 18. They were criticized for not going far enough. He belongs to the Liberal party, which is pretty centrist.

After the election there is a new government, and hopes that conversion therapy will be prohibited all together. A government which includes several Muslims.

Raja is not an enemy to gay people. All Muslims are not enemies. Not that I voted for him though. We have better....

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by Anonymousreply 141October 15, 2021 4:56 PM

And he’ll have the same luxuries as Brevik does of course. When in fact Brevik should have been dropped in a vat of hydrochloric acid for what he did to those kids, and the event televised as a reminder to other scandino scum who have white purity fantasies.

by Anonymousreply 142October 15, 2021 4:59 PM

^ @ r83

by Anonymousreply 143October 15, 2021 4:59 PM

R139 that would be a yes in Russia, Belarus, Georgia, Uganda, and many others which I could name if I had the time, or thought you were asking an honest question.

by Anonymousreply 144October 15, 2021 5:08 PM

You all know the fetish are posting here, right? For at least 10 or more years now. Plus, we have their enablers here too. They both love to throw out how horrible xians are and they're correct but they do it solely as a distraction and to throw us off guard.

by Anonymousreply 145October 15, 2021 5:19 PM

R145 I don’t understand what you mean.

by Anonymousreply 146October 15, 2021 5:24 PM

Of course you don't r146. You're exactly what I'm talking about, hon.

by Anonymousreply 147October 15, 2021 5:54 PM

R147 well that was helpful.

by Anonymousreply 148October 15, 2021 6:01 PM

Xian is a Chinese town.

by Anonymousreply 149October 15, 2021 6:03 PM

[Quote] A bow and arrow (or crossbow) is such a Scandinavian weapon.

r68 Just like acid to throw, knives to stab, trucks to run ppl over...

by Anonymousreply 150October 15, 2021 6:04 PM

According to urban dictionary Xian’s are Christians.

by Anonymousreply 151October 15, 2021 6:05 PM

(Lots of gays') Fetish = Islam

by Anonymousreply 152October 15, 2021 6:05 PM

Well R145 I don’t know if you are pointing at me but I am 141. I may have a fetish (that I will not discuss) but I am not Muslim. I am however Norwegian and if Norwegian politics interests you and Muslims interest you I could give you info on Muslim politicians in Norway.

The killer has a history and he is absolutely mentally ill. Maybe he turned to Islam because he wanted to kill, I don’t know. He has been sick for years.

by Anonymousreply 153October 15, 2021 6:27 PM

[quote] we have their enablers here too. They both love to throw out how horrible xians are and they're correct but they do it solely as a distraction and to throw us off guard.

R145 nah mate I hate all those Abrahamic faiths equally.

Monotheistic desert-cultism homegrown or imported is just a dangerous excuse for straight men to project their own insecurity/vulnerability and to indulge their violent power fantasies that hurt Gaia tbh

by Anonymousreply 154October 15, 2021 7:07 PM

No 153 it wasn't for you but maybe you should work on your guilty conscience.

r154 I have no idea wft your talking about, mate?

by Anonymousreply 155October 15, 2021 11:59 PM

[quote]Say hello to Abid Raja, minister of culture and equality in Norway 2020-21. He among others proposed a law against conversion therapy for kids under 16, with possible inclusion of kids up to 18. They were criticized for not going far enough. He belongs to the Liberal party, which is pretty centrist.

This I support. If they transgenderism, they should also allow conversion therapy (for 18 and older). I would have voted for this. I hope centrists here in America propose similar legislation—if they’re brave enough.

by Anonymousreply 156October 16, 2021 12:53 AM

*have transgenderism

by Anonymousreply 157October 16, 2021 12:53 AM

Well well well: British Somalian Muslim

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by Anonymousreply 158October 16, 2021 5:24 AM

Terrorist act declared

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by Anonymousreply 159October 16, 2021 5:27 AM

^ Oops sorry I’m getting my Islamic terrorist acts mixed up. I thought this was the thread for the murdered UK politician David AMess.

My bad

by Anonymousreply 160October 16, 2021 5:30 AM

Don't apologize. It was Allah's will.

by Anonymousreply 161October 16, 2021 5:53 AM

R160 it’s ok. There’s so many it’s hard to keep up.

by Anonymousreply 162October 16, 2021 6:22 AM

The police are now saying he was mentally ill. And that it looks like he didn't take his convertion to Islam seriously. He has a history of mental illness. He treatened his own family with a gun. He had a restraining order from them. He hissed and growled at people walking by him in his neighborhood. He had few or no friends. He was a loner. He had no job. He had a history of in and out of the health care system. A childhood friend even contacted the police to warn about him. He was well known as a headcase in the local community of Kongsberg. Everyone knew about him.

I believe this had nothing to do with Islam. This was a severly mentally ill man who should have gotten help. Norway's psychiatric hospitals are on par with the American system. Most people are deemed too healthy so they can't use the law to force them to get comitted. Yet they are too sick to be wandering alone on the streets.

There should be a debate after this about the psychiatric hospitals in this country. We can't let this happen again. Maybe it shoule be easier to commit people by using force. Then again, an increasing amount of force is probably not a good idea. You can never protect everyone against mentally ill people. It's impossible. They will always exist. An attack like this might happen again and there is very little we can do to prevent it.

This attack proved again how useless the Norwegian police are. They are best in the world at dialouge, at talking and de-escalate difficult situations. They are probably worst in the world at attacks like this. Nothing has changed after July 22nd. In the news they said the police left their protective gear in the car (wtf?!) And that they almost had him but he managed to get away and it took 30 minutes more and that's when he killed 5 people. Just like July 22nd. It took the police how long, an hour, to get to the island? They could have saved 10-20 people if they got there 30 minutes earlier. Again, Norwegian police are fucking useless. They have limited training in handling situations like this (because it rarely happens) and they don't carry a gun (though they are allowed to use a gun if there's an attack like this, obviously). They have very little shooting training. But again, maybe that's a good thing. A police force shouldn't be trigger-happy. If someone is killed by the police in Norway (excluding an attack like Kongsberg), it makes news headlines and an investigation follows. Here in Norway the police are trained to capture people without using force.

by Anonymousreply 163October 16, 2021 1:06 PM

If only this mentally ill person had turned to Buddha or even Dianetics as an alternative to Islam in his deranged state. He may have handed out flowers or invitations to auditing, rather than trying to kill "infidels" as demanded in the Koran.

by Anonymousreply 164October 16, 2021 5:01 PM

r164 WINS!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 165October 16, 2021 5:32 PM

R164 He wasn't even a muslim. He didn't care about the quaran. He was in a mosque twice years ago and he said some gibberish and never returned. He was NOT a devoted muslim, no matter what you muslim haters think. Of course the right wing assholes here will do anything to make it seem like him being "muslim" (don't think he ever even converted) explains why he did what he did. No. The police said they have put that theory aside. But I guess you know better than the Norwegian police? Why is it so hard for you to admit he was just mentally ill? Why do you HAVE to make it about religion? He wasn't religious, he probably never even converted. One video that he made saying something about it doesn't prove anything. The police certainly believe it doesn't matter in the big picture. This is about him being mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 166October 16, 2021 5:47 PM

A gay man using “Muslim haters”. 🤷‍♂️

by Anonymousreply 167October 16, 2021 5:51 PM

[quote] One video that he made saying something about it doesn't prove anything.

It certainly proves a connection with Islam, as opposed to say Navajo spiritual practice

[quote] The police certainly believe it doesn't matter in the big picture.

The actual big picture shows the police of the EU are deeply invested in diverting from or denying Islamic connections to crimes. We're been seeing that for years.

by Anonymousreply 168October 16, 2021 5:56 PM

Robin Hood gone nuts.

by Anonymousreply 169October 16, 2021 6:02 PM

I don’t think he’s nuts. He’s a convert.

by Anonymousreply 170October 16, 2021 6:03 PM

r166=death cult member or DCM apologist.

by Anonymousreply 171October 16, 2021 6:08 PM

Why does he *have to be mentally ill?

by Anonymousreply 172October 16, 2021 6:13 PM

[Quote] Why does he *have to be mentally ill?

He doesn't but people are liars FIRST nowadays. The world runs on LIES. Death Cult Members and their apologists want people to believe any excuse that will not put the blame on them.

by Anonymousreply 173October 16, 2021 8:13 PM

So you're saying that if Islamism hadn't existed he would have still done it? I'm not so sure of that. I think that the very existence of Islamism is poisonous and evil. R164 makes a great point that he could have chosen some other less evil or harmful outlet.

by Anonymousreply 174October 16, 2021 8:26 PM

Hypothetically speaking: all things being equal, and if one had to pick a religion for someone mentally ill, then Buddhism would be the best choice.

Conversely, that Religion of Peace would be the worst.

by Anonymousreply 175October 17, 2021 10:12 AM

EU governments don't want to be responsible to their citizens for decades of misguided migrant policies. It's far easier, politically expedient to label Muslim attackers as "mentally ill" than to have to explain to citizens why people from a culture that produces so many "mentally ill" were allowed into the country. This in addition to on-going social/cultural conflicts, attacks, murders and terrorism. The media colludes with government, abrogating its public watchdog job, in favor of reinforcing government policies, including closing Comments sections of reportage on anything to do with migrants or Islam to stifle public debate. Government doesn't want to answer uncomfortable questions that the media has no desire to ask.

by Anonymousreply 176October 17, 2021 11:07 AM

R176 this guy was not from a different culture. He has a long and known history of mental illness. He doesn’t seem to have any connections with Muslims, and acted on his own. Do not use the tragic killing of five people by a sick man to promote your agenda.

by Anonymousreply 177October 17, 2021 11:35 AM

But one should also ask: why is it that so many mentally ill people with latent murderous tendencies are attracted to the Religion of Peace, and not the others?

There must be something in that religion that’s deeply attractive to people mentally disordered in a particularly deadly manner.

by Anonymousreply 178October 17, 2021 11:45 AM

Uh, you might want to try that rant in different crime r175. This is a white guy from a European family, he is an not some immigrant.

by Anonymousreply 179October 17, 2021 11:51 AM

R179: no, it doesn’t matter what race this person is. My point is: why is it that so many mentally ill people with latent violent tendencies, are attracted to the Religion of Peace?

The race of the person matters not a whit in my argument. My point is: there’s an attraction between disordered murderous mental capacity and that particular set of religious tenets.

by Anonymousreply 180October 17, 2021 11:56 AM

To add: the person could be white, black, brown - it doesn’t matter at all. My argument still stands

by Anonymousreply 181October 17, 2021 11:59 AM

[quote]He doesn’t seem to have any connections with Muslims, and acted on his own.

From Reuters: A bow-and-arrow attack in which a Danish convert to Islam

From CNN: Officers also revealed the suspect had converted to Islam.

From The Independent: Officials named the suspect as Espen Andersen Brathen, 37, and said he is a Muslim convert.

R177 What was that about promoting agenda? And it does seem rather odd that Muslims who attack and murder - whether beheadings, stabbings, vehicular rammings or walking into a gay nightclub with a semi-automatic rifle and butchering 52 people - are all deemed "mentally ill" and/or "have a long and known history of mental illness" by government/media.

by Anonymousreply 182October 17, 2021 12:02 PM

Why do you think décapitation is so popular with these terrorists?

It’s because it’s sanctified by their Holy Book.

Sample 1:

[quote]So, when you encounter those who disbelieve, then (aim at) smiting the necks, until when you have broken their strength thoroughly, then tie fast the bond, (by making them captives). Then choose (to release them) either (as) a favour (shown to them,), or (after receiving) ransom,until the war throws down its load of arms. That (is Our command.) If Allah willed, He would have (Himself) subjected them to retribution, but (Allah ordered you to fight,) so that He may test some of you through some others. And those who are killed in Allah’s way, He will never let their deeds go to waste.

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by Anonymousreply 183October 17, 2021 12:14 PM

Sample 2:

[quote] When your Lord revealed to the angels: “I am with you. So, make firm the feet of those who believe. I shall cast awe into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So, strike at the necks, and strike at every finger-joint of theirs.”

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by Anonymousreply 184October 17, 2021 12:15 PM

R182 this man may be danish but he grew up and lived in Kongsberg. The police initially thought the murders were related to him converting to Islam but that theory is becoming less likely. He himself says he converted but the police doubt this was done with any seriousness, and they claim that he did not follow any of the traditions of Islam. They are still looking in to this. He is now locked up in the psych ward, and there is also an ongoing investigation regarding the follow-up he got from health-care providers. A childhood friend says he seemed fine until he was 18, when he basically quit everything and stayed by himself in the basement, for no known reason. This friend says the killer often got hung-up on various ideas and he does not think the killings were religiously motivated.

There is absolutely no doubt that this man is mentally ill. Wether or not his actions can be regarded as terrorism is still to be determined, according to the police.

by Anonymousreply 185October 17, 2021 2:45 PM

[quote] So, strike at the necks, and strike at every finger-joint of theirs.”

A relatively simple operation. Now when was the last time you heard of a Christian turning somebody into a pillar of salt?

by Anonymousreply 186October 17, 2021 7:03 PM

........

by Anonymousreply 187October 17, 2021 8:45 PM

Ah, he's white so that's why some people are trying to argue that he's mentally ill rather than a terrorist or a psycho.

by Anonymousreply 188October 17, 2021 9:44 PM

No, it’s the Muslim component. They can’t claim terrorist, obviously.

by Anonymousreply 189October 17, 2021 9:48 PM

“Isil” - Obama

by Anonymousreply 190October 17, 2021 9:48 PM

“Do not use the tragic killing of five people by a sick man to promote your agenda. R177”

As opposed to if this was a White Supremacist and you were all to happy to promote your agenda?

We would be on thread 6 with “there are Nazis everywhere , including the basement where he came from!!! Fascist scrum, Trump supporters!!!! “It is easy to as ask people to stop discussing agendas when yours can be masked in virtue.

But it is still 5 people killed by now and arrow. There are a hell of a lot of mentally ill people. How many kill 5 people that way?

by Anonymousreply 191October 18, 2021 3:16 AM

You’re completely right, R191. We would be on thread six too, talking about the “end of democracy” and all that.

by Anonymousreply 192October 18, 2021 3:20 AM

Islam is a religion, not a race. Sadiq Khan may be brown, but he isn't black. Arabs for the most part are part of the Caucasoid DNA group with a huge variance in "shade".

The man who stabbed MP David Amess last week in front of his horrified constituents, on the other hand, IS a black Muslim, he's an English-born Somali. I believe his family tried to warn the authorities that they feared he'd been radicalised some time ago. No one listened.

by Anonymousreply 193October 18, 2021 2:51 PM

[quote]But it is still 5 people killed by bow and arrow.

"The victims of an attack in Norway were not killed with a bow-and-arrow as previously thought, police announced on Monday"

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by Anonymousreply 194October 18, 2021 2:58 PM

So they were stabbed instead, it seems.

by Anonymousreply 195October 19, 2021 2:07 AM

Police had initially reported casualties "after a man was seen walking around with what was supposedly a bow and arrow".

They have now clarified that while a bow and arrow was used to attack people, it was discarded before the killings happened.

"When the accused arrives at Hyttegata, he no longer has a bow and arrow. In Hyttegata, five people are killed with stabbing weapons," Norwegian police said in a statement on Monday. "𝑺𝒐𝒎𝒆 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒌𝒊𝒍𝒍𝒆𝒅 𝒊𝒏𝒔𝒊𝒅𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒊𝒓 𝒐𝒘𝒏 𝒉𝒐𝒎𝒆𝒔, some outside in the public space.

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Michael Myers + Allah = Norway

by Anonymousreply 196October 19, 2021 2:23 AM
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