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“Save The Best For Last” (1992) by Vanessa Williams

Did you like this #1 hit? I was a child when it came out and loved it. I remember seeing the video and finding her beautiful as a gayling, and I loved the song.

My parents didn’t like the song at all but they always seemed to like her. I remember my stepdad watching Eraser and saying “Vanessa Williams is a beautiful black woman” in amazement (yes, I know).

As an adult I don’t think I would have taken her serious as a singer if I were an adult back then. She feels more like an entertainer than a singer or actress, but she’s good at all of it. One thing she really was, a Beauty Queen!

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by Anonymousreply 219October 24, 2021 12:50 PM

I thought it was a beautiful song.

by Anonymousreply 1October 12, 2021 11:39 PM

I'm still waiting for the sun to go round the moon.

by Anonymousreply 2October 12, 2021 11:42 PM

I liked the In Living Color version better.

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by Anonymousreply 3October 12, 2021 11:45 PM

She was gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 4October 12, 2021 11:49 PM

Man I miss the 90s

by Anonymousreply 5October 12, 2021 11:56 PM

Great song sung by a talented beauty. She was the first bi-racial Miss America until the lesbian theme modeling photos were sold. She has the It factor.

"Colors Of The Wind" is a great Disney song, but a real tongue twister with all it's Ws. Barbara Walters would never get through it.

"And you'll never hear the wolf cry to the blue corn moon For whether we are white or copper skinned We need to sing with all the voices of the mountain We need to paint with all the colors of the wind".

by Anonymousreply 6October 13, 2021 12:03 AM

Yes R6 I loved this.

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by Anonymousreply 7October 13, 2021 12:05 AM

Terrible frau tune. Basic bitch nonsense. I’m glad this genre / sound is dead.

This song, “Hero”, “From A Distance”, Celine, all of those cheesy ballads drove me nuts.

by Anonymousreply 8October 13, 2021 12:05 AM

I loved her upbeat stuff.

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by Anonymousreply 9October 13, 2021 12:13 AM

The Comfort Zone felt very Janet-wannabe

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by Anonymousreply 10October 13, 2021 12:23 AM

Janet was a pig in latex. Vanessa was a lady.

by Anonymousreply 11October 13, 2021 12:32 AM

Oh please! Janet was STRIKING back then

by Anonymousreply 12October 13, 2021 12:39 AM

I was in elementary school and associate a lot of positive memories with this song along with other hits from Mariah, Expose, Celine, Madonna, Taylor Dayne, Lisa Stansfield and others at the time. Also loved her collab with Brian Mcnight which isn't as well remembered today.

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by Anonymousreply 13October 13, 2021 12:39 AM

R9 Nice, underrated track. That one somehow escaped my radar.

by Anonymousreply 14October 13, 2021 12:41 AM

It's a pretty song and Vanessa Williams has always had a very clean, melodious and reasonably powerful voice. I think that since the late 80s, we have gotten used to singers who always chase the highest possible note in almost every song, and singers who have a more subdued, "linear" style are seen as less talented or competent. However in reality, they are much more consistent and don't have to constantly resort to lip syncing, going out of tune or dodging notes when performing live (I'm looking at you, Mariah).

Her vocal range isn't spectacular, but she's rather good at what she does even if her latest albums are afflicted by the streisand curse (endless boring ballads that are dull enough to cause everyone to fall asleep). Also, G#2 / Bb5 is a good range, even if she isn't constantly hitting high notes.

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by Anonymousreply 15October 13, 2021 12:48 AM

I was in college and I remember going with a new boyfriend to the home of some of his friends who did drag who were listening to this brand new song over and over while one of them practiced lip syncing to it. I didn’t like this type of music being more into indie rock and the like. I said something about how I thought the song was boring. I instantly regretted it because saying that made me sound like a snotty little bitch and I didn’t make a good impression with them. Oh well, sorry ladies, this song has stood the test of time.

by Anonymousreply 16October 13, 2021 12:49 AM

Never forget the 1996 love theme to "Eraser" her opus with Arnold Schwarzenegger!

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by Anonymousreply 17October 13, 2021 12:58 AM

Haha I remember I made the mistake of making a joke about a drag performer here in the US (I was used to the drag show in another country where joking about the performance was part of the fun) and got evil turnaround stares from the queens in front of me.

by Anonymousreply 18October 13, 2021 1:00 AM

my favorite song of hers and her first hit "dreaming"....

by Anonymousreply 19October 13, 2021 1:13 AM

Yeah it's a great song. Remember when something sweet and classy could hit number 1 on the billboards? It wasn't all that long ago, but it seems like forever ago.

by Anonymousreply 20October 13, 2021 1:16 AM

Yes. Female stars got by on talent back then. Now? It’s all about who can show more skin and be more vulgar.

by Anonymousreply 21October 13, 2021 1:19 AM

I really disliked this song when it came out, its lyrics seemed like a badly strung together bunch of cliches. Surprisingly, my affection for it grew after Priscilla Queen of the Desert.

by Anonymousreply 22October 13, 2021 1:27 AM

Here she is singing the song at the Grammys - 9 months pregnant

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by Anonymousreply 23October 13, 2021 1:30 AM

Reply 19, yes, "Dreamin" Vanessa was like a young Marilyn Monroe here.

Wow! I'm gay, but I was still dreamin of her.

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by Anonymousreply 24October 13, 2021 2:02 AM

I love love love this song...so many memories of the 90s associated with it for me

by Anonymousreply 25October 13, 2021 2:20 AM

R20 Yes, I miss melody, orchestral arrangements, and smart production instead of the musical equivalent of TIktok that we have now.

by Anonymousreply 26October 13, 2021 2:25 AM

I remember having this album on cassette.

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by Anonymousreply 27October 13, 2021 3:54 AM

She wasn't bi-racial. She's black.

by Anonymousreply 28October 13, 2021 7:10 AM

In the UK it's now famous for being used in an advert for instant gravy granules.

Vanessa Williams will be forever gravy in both senses.

The lyrics are appalling though.

Sometimes I wonder why I fart, sometimes you tell me that I'm smart, when I am waiting for the bus, I wonder why there's so much fuss

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by Anonymousreply 29October 13, 2021 7:55 AM

God, I hate to admit that I miss the 90s. It now feels like an entire lifetime ago. Already there is a sort of aura of nostalgia surrounding it. Back then there was hope and positivity. We felt good about Clinton and there was this exciting new thing coming up called the New Economy. E-commerce it was dubbed - and boy was I critical about being a part of it. It was all too saccharine, I said. We had the Backstreet Boys versus NYSNC and Boyz To Men and All-4-One making the soundtrack of the era much too sweet and syrupy for my tastes.

BUT NOW…we’ve had 9/11 and Bush, the Wall Street crash (which we have not yet recovered from). Then fucking Trump and now COVID-19. There’s no let up in site, what with COVID variants on top of climate change.

Just today I thought to stock up on Nembutal or Seconal. Always good to plan ahead…..

by Anonymousreply 30October 13, 2021 8:36 AM

Vanessa Williams was a lovely black woman and this song was lovely too.

Today, we have n****** bitches singing about wet ass pussies.

Our culture is disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 31October 13, 2021 9:59 AM

I like Vanessa but not her songs.

by Anonymousreply 32October 13, 2021 10:01 AM

R31 do you ever stop? You’re such a hypocrite mess. It’s scary.

by Anonymousreply 33October 13, 2021 10:24 AM

I thought the Penthouse photos were tastefully done.

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by Anonymousreply 34October 13, 2021 12:09 PM

I was also a gayling who loved it. Had the cassette and played it on my Walkman on a loop.

by Anonymousreply 35October 13, 2021 12:11 PM

R8 All love songs are absolute nonsense but "Wind beneath my wings" and "The Rose" were two of the fucking worst frau-drivel ever sung. Midler sucks ass.

by Anonymousreply 36October 13, 2021 12:17 PM

"I really disliked this song when it came out, its lyrics seemed like a badly strung together bunch of cliches. Surprisingly, my affection for it grew after Priscilla Queen of the Desert."

Madonna's songs are almost nothing but clichés. One of her absolute worst songs is This Used to be My Playground. Every line is a cliché.

by Anonymousreply 37October 13, 2021 12:21 PM

I liked the song at first, but it wears thin quickly.

Vanessa has a good sense of humour as seen by this MadTV skit.

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by Anonymousreply 38October 13, 2021 12:42 PM

I was just talking yesterday to an old man in a public park and he said that those people that forced her to give up her crown should be shot !!!! I didn't say "shoot 'em" but I concurred that she was terribly mistreated by the Miss America Organization, which is so stupid because she's the most famous Miss America of all... she's always been such a terrific talent! Miss New York was her state title and she was from Syracuse I believe, but her rise to fame and fortune happened in the late 80s I believe, and of course the African American music industry had always embraced her... Miss America apologized to her for their treatment of this timeless beauty Queen., ridiculous!

by Anonymousreply 39October 13, 2021 12:50 PM

[R24] She's just stunning. Definitely my top 10 of women I'd ask to marry me if I was str8. Halle Berry from "the Flintstones"'s right up there too.

by Anonymousreply 40October 13, 2021 12:50 PM

R37 I’m not opposed to a song of cliches if it’s cleverly done and strung together. U2’s “With or Without You” is an almost perfect pop song and is all strung together cliches, yet very powerful emotionally and heartbreaking. Bon Jovi also wrote a lot of songs built on cliches like that Cowboy song, but they did it with a wink and a nudge. This song makes it out to be ultra serious, and Priscilla interjected the right about of camp back into it that the song needs to be bearable.

by Anonymousreply 41October 13, 2021 1:05 PM

DL's very own Robert Dinero @ R40.

by Anonymousreply 42October 13, 2021 1:16 PM

Love this one and love ballads aren’t usually my thing.. I always thought it was fitting that after Miss America dumped her she turned around and had a whole career that surpassed nearly every other winner. The only ex-Miss A’s I remember are Phyllis George and Bess Myerson.

by Anonymousreply 43October 13, 2021 1:34 PM

R43 How dare you forget Lee Meriwether! Please hand in your Gay card immediately!

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by Anonymousreply 44October 13, 2021 1:41 PM

Datalounge loves Vanessa Williams since there are threads started about her here every few months. This one will get to 600 posts as will all of the threads started about her.

As it should! She was done dirty and got gigantic revenge on everyone who said she was a slutty mess.

by Anonymousreply 45October 13, 2021 1:43 PM

You couldn't have a hit with a video like this these days. Shock value is mandatory in the music industry now.

by Anonymousreply 46October 13, 2021 1:48 PM

I can't believe it took four people to write this schmaltz

by Anonymousreply 47October 13, 2021 1:55 PM

Yeah it's definitely not a great song and it doesn't help that she's not a great singer either.

by Anonymousreply 48October 13, 2021 2:40 PM

R47 and r48 are jelly.

by Anonymousreply 49October 13, 2021 2:45 PM

I always want a cover call “Save the Beast for Last.”

by Anonymousreply 50October 13, 2021 2:46 PM

Not of an offensively mediocre song like this R49.

by Anonymousreply 51October 13, 2021 2:48 PM

It was okay. But that album had 5 or 6 better songs, including ballads.

by Anonymousreply 52October 13, 2021 2:50 PM

[quote]Robert Dinero

Oh, sweetpea, no.

by Anonymousreply 53October 13, 2021 2:56 PM

R48 She's an awesome singer, you stupid fuck. She has great diction in her singing and her intelligence shines through. Sure a lot of her songs are schmaltzy crap but so are most female singers.

by Anonymousreply 54October 13, 2021 3:01 PM

Robert Dinero’s Waiting, Talking $$$

by Anonymousreply 55October 13, 2021 3:06 PM

R54 wouldn't know what great singing is, if it hit him on the head. LoL

by Anonymousreply 56October 13, 2021 3:07 PM

"I always want a cover call “Save the Beast for Last.” "

Played over the closing credits of a Dawson's 50 Load Weekend-type movie.

by Anonymousreply 57October 13, 2021 3:08 PM

R56 She is a lyric mezzo-soprano with 3 octaves and one note, you stupid cunt. WTF do you know, cunt.

by Anonymousreply 58October 13, 2021 3:19 PM

It's pretty obvious by now you have mediocre taste R58, you don't have to keep proving it.

by Anonymousreply 59October 13, 2021 3:29 PM

R59 Fuck off, Janbot. Only Janbot is as stupidly psychotic a cunt like you.

by Anonymousreply 60October 13, 2021 3:33 PM

LOL, I can't stand Janet Jackson!

But please, keep digging that grave R60.

by Anonymousreply 61October 13, 2021 3:40 PM

Vanessa really got mired in boring balladry.

She should have had some neo soul writers, or maybe do some electronica work. But I think she's nearly given up on music.

by Anonymousreply 62October 13, 2021 3:51 PM

I loved the song. But her catalogue is a bit milquetoast with all these ballads and middle of the road dance pop. Even her 'Comfort Zone' era was fairly G-rated. She found her perfect niche with songs like the Pocahontas one, but her musical 'sound' is kind of dated now. Even Celine tried to get with the times a bit in the late 90s. I kind of wish she got better stage roles, because she does have that well-trained musical theatre voice that you know has the technique to hold up night after night, and perhaps she would have released more music over the years if she were more venerated for her Broadway performances.

I will never understand this website's weird juvenile thing with Janet Jackson, but she (for example) had much more memorable songs. In the same era, there's no reason Vanessa couldn't have sung "Again" or "That's The Way Love Goes", and done a bit more in her videos to cultivate an image. I could even have seen her doing neo soul stuff (like 'Tell Me' by Groove Theory), or some of Toni Braxton's hits like 'You're Makin Me High'. But her record label seemed intent on selling her as a classy balladeer songstress, rather than a real recording artist with a unique identity/sound/image.

I don't think it's any surprise DL loves her so much - she's an inoffensive, extremely pretty but not overly sexualised woman who minds her business lol.

by Anonymousreply 63October 13, 2021 4:15 PM

Janet was one of the biggest pop stars in the world then.

by Anonymousreply 64October 13, 2021 4:29 PM

The original song was called "Best Save the Last Four"

by Anonymousreply 65October 13, 2021 4:39 PM

Maybe he "classy" image had more to do with trying not to be what the press made her out to be after those photos almost took away her career?

by Anonymousreply 66October 13, 2021 4:42 PM

I have a degree in physics and let me assure you, the last thing you ever would want is for the sun to go 'round the moon.

by Anonymousreply 67October 13, 2021 5:01 PM

There is a very good podcast about Vanessa: You are Wrong About It is a 2 part series

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by Anonymousreply 68October 13, 2021 5:24 PM

I was on the bus to the infirmary in basic training the first time I heard this song. I hadn’t heard music in a few weeks (because it was basic training) and the bus driver had a radio playing.

The kicker that made this song stay firmly planted in my memory all these years was that it was late Feb/early March in Columbia, SC and there were very light snow flurries that day. Nothing stuck, it all melted almost as it hit the ground. So there I am, on a military bus, in pain with tendinitis, watching the snow fly around outside the window, listening to this song.

I looked up the snowfall reports and there’s zero record of 1992 Feb/early March snowfall in Columbia, SC. But damn it I know what I saw.

by Anonymousreply 69October 13, 2021 5:25 PM

R63 No. No. And No. She never could have done any of these other's work. Like most female singer's she's relegated to sing tired, cliche ridden crap like Colors of the Wind or Save the Best for Last. At least she is a great actress. I loved her on Ugly Betty. She was fierce and perfect. No one else could have done her acting (of those lame 90s pop princesses).

by Anonymousreply 70October 13, 2021 8:40 PM

Soul Food (1997). Has anyone mentioned Soul Food yet? One of my favorites.

by Anonymousreply 71October 14, 2021 1:00 PM

I prefer WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE from ERASER with Arnold Schwarzenegger. But STBFL is a great song from what is her best album, THE COMFORT ZONE.

by Anonymousreply 72October 14, 2021 1:05 PM

I saw her about 5 years ago in San Francisco where she did an interview and performed some of her music. I thought she had a great sense of humor and was very candid about her experiences. She also had a really beautiful and controlled singing voice.

She was honest about the whole Miss America thing. She said she never set out to win the crown; she was recruited by a Miss America representative who saw her in a play at her college and convinced her to enter. She said she did it for the scholarship money, but she said she was definitely not pageant material, since she was sleeping with her boyfriend and smoking a lot of pot at the time. She said she told the pageant about the photos she did and they didn't seem all that concerned about it, but when the photos came to light, everyone kind of threw her under the bus.

The juiciest story she told was about after she won Miss America as Miss New York and was in a meeting with a bunch of pageant officials to discuss her tour. Mary Ann Mobley, a former Miss America herself, was in the meeting and said, "Well, we're gonna have to visit Harlem now." Vanessa said she Mobley was a miserable racist bitch, assuming that because Vanessa was black and from New York, she was from the slums of Harlem, when in reality, Vanessa grew up in a middle class home in the Syracuse area.

by Anonymousreply 73October 14, 2021 1:15 PM

That's just what this country needs: a cock in frock on a rock.

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by Anonymousreply 74October 14, 2021 1:16 PM

End credits....

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by Anonymousreply 75October 14, 2021 1:17 PM

R75 I always loved the drag queen's shoulder shimmy at the end when Vanessa does her "yeaaaaaaah" trill.

Fun fact: that drag queen is the movie's Oscar winning costume designer, Tim Chappel.

by Anonymousreply 76October 14, 2021 1:24 PM

R71 I quote her "Fuck the family.... the family fucked my husband!!" line at least once a week.

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by Anonymousreply 77October 14, 2021 1:39 PM

One of my favorite photos of Vanessa…

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by Anonymousreply 78October 14, 2021 1:43 PM

Vanessa Williams was the cuntiest cunt who ever cunted as Wilhelmina Slater

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by Anonymousreply 79October 14, 2021 1:50 PM

What does the song title mean? That the philandering boyfriend ended up with her, the best?

by Anonymousreply 80October 20, 2021 10:36 PM

Woman is in love with man, but he's too busy to notice while he goes off with other females. Finally he does realize that the woman he has wanted all along was his female "best friend". Thus he has saved the "best for last".......

It isn't philandering if two people aren't dating or in any other sort of similar relationship. In very broadest terms it would be like Will Truman finally realizing he was in love with Grace, or some similar fag hag dream .

In real life such situations aren't unknown to happen. Lots of straight men have female "friends", sometimes they are very close to point BFF. It does happen that the guy just doesn't see his BFF is actually in love with him, and or sees her otherwise as a potential romantic partner.

Often it is a third party who observes at once what is clearly evident and puts things out in the open.

by Anonymousreply 81October 20, 2021 10:53 PM

Should be noted that she's universally raved about by her coworkers and fans who have met her. Hardworking, funny, talented, and down to earth.

by Anonymousreply 82October 20, 2021 11:24 PM

Vanessa recorded the kind of music she loved. She was a trained musical theater actress -- she wanted to be Barbra, Lena Horne, Diahann Carroll or Leslie Uggams. In popular music, she loved ballads and music that was between jazz and soul like Nancy Wilson, Chaka Khan, Angela Bofill and Dee Dee Bridgewater. She resisted recording music in the vein of Janet or Madonna.

by Anonymousreply 83October 21, 2021 1:07 AM

But r83 her first two albums were hip hop. Or at least they had several songs that were…

by Anonymousreply 84October 21, 2021 1:15 PM

I love her voice and I like Save the Best for Last, The Sweetest Days and Colors of the Wind despite all being factory-made pop ballads.

She is the first celebrity I ever got to interview in person. She was gracious and verging on but not exactly warm at first. She was very poised and professional. This was during Ugly Betty's second or third season, probably the height of her acting career since she was effectively the most popular player among the cast. During the interview, I asked if she planned to record new music and she seemed surprised by the question. I think she probably thought her singing career was overlooked or maybe she thought I was too young at the time to have known her music. She said she was working on a new album and I got visibly excited, forgetting that I was trying to put on a disaffected professional interviewer performance. (Ha.)

She did warm up then and she said she was surprised I knew her music. I told her I love her voice and was happy she recorded songs for A Very Special Christmas even if she hadn't put out an album in a while. Yada yada. Back to Betty, she gushed about Michael Urie and said he was the most brilliant actor she ever worked with and that being in scenes with him made her better. I just saw a few weeks ago on Instagram that Urie said he had a small role in the pilot or the first episode of Betty that wasn't meant to be a primary role, but that Vanessa pulled him into the cast photos that were used for the promotions and so his role became larger as a result.

Curiously, years later I was writing for The Advocate and I pitched an interview with him (assuming he was gay and out because of the character) and he told me he wanted to do it, but I was contacted by his manager or agent later, who told me he wasn't quite ready to discuss his bisexuality. (He's gay, obviously.) He came out publicly not too long afterward. I always thought it was sad he or someone thought he'd have to be closeted presumably to sustain a career.

It's amazing how quickly times have changed.

Anyway, Vanessa is a really smart cookie, and gracious, and I really do love her smoky, velvety voice. Like Whitney Houston, she's a great talent who never really got great material to work with.

by Anonymousreply 85October 21, 2021 1:32 PM

I think I like this one a little more than Save the Best for Last.

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by Anonymousreply 86October 21, 2021 1:36 PM

R80 The song is one of the most blatantly self-explanatory songs EVER and you don't fucking get it? Fucking moron.

by Anonymousreply 87October 21, 2021 2:06 PM

R85 Vanessa is absolutely nothing like Whitney. Was Vanessa a lifelong loathsome crack whore?

by Anonymousreply 88October 21, 2021 2:09 PM

R31, while rude, is not wrong.

by Anonymousreply 89October 21, 2021 2:28 PM

R88 I said they are similar in that they both had great (totally different) vocal talent but never had very good material. "The Greatest Love of All" and "Save the Best for Last" are fine, generic ballads with no personality or character that were designed to appeal to unthinking masses and it worked, and it's a fine way to showcase vocal technical abilities but it stops short of artistry.

by Anonymousreply 90October 21, 2021 2:29 PM

I miss Ugly Betty. Vanessa was great.

It's sad that the creator killed himself....no reunion or reboot now.

by Anonymousreply 91October 21, 2021 2:33 PM

R90 Ok yes. Agreed. There has to be a term when black girls with great voices get stuck singing nothing but white man written garbage. Maybe we can call it Clive Davis syndrome. Poor Whitney was forced to sing a lot of the crap by Davis. She had a few awesome songs like You Give Good Love and Saving All My Love For You but most of her songs were crap! Like My Name is Not Susan.

by Anonymousreply 92October 21, 2021 2:34 PM

My favorite Vanessa Williams song is "Heartquake" (featuring Rozonda "Chili" Thomas) from that ridiculous VH1 movie "A Diva's Christmas Carol." All the clips seem to have been scrubbed from YouTube, but it starts at around 39:00 in this clip, just try to ignore Kathy Griffin...

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by Anonymousreply 93October 21, 2021 2:46 PM

R85 Michael Urie seems to be so popular amongst his fellow actors. I think he went to drama school with Jessica Chastain and she is always singing his praises too. Nice story about interviewing Vanessa.

by Anonymousreply 94October 21, 2021 3:56 PM

[quote] But [R83] her first two albums were hip hop. Or at least they had several songs that were…

I wouldn't call anything she did "hip-hop." She had 3 or 4 uptempo tracks on each album -- a necessary concession to radio trends -- and the rest were jazzy mid-tempos or pop, showtune-y ballads. Also, she wanted to showcase her skills as a dancer.

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by Anonymousreply 95October 21, 2021 6:21 PM

I agree r8. That Lite FM Adult Contemporary sound was SO huge in the late 80s/early 90s. Gloria Estefan, John Secada Rod Stewart's putrid comeback, among many others. It was awful, but hugely popular. Clive Davis made Whitney Houston waste her talents on that A/C dreck for several years because that sound was such a big moneymaker.

by Anonymousreply 96October 21, 2021 6:22 PM

Great post r73!

by Anonymousreply 97October 21, 2021 6:34 PM

R96 Others already mentioned what Clive Davis forced Whitney to do, stupid cunt.

by Anonymousreply 98October 21, 2021 6:43 PM

And so it was mentioned again, cunt.

by Anonymousreply 99October 21, 2021 6:51 PM

I'm old enough to remember the Miss America nude photo controversy, it was HUGE news. It was the conservative Reagan 80s and a nude photo shoot with Vanessa simulating lesbo sex with another woman was shocking to people. So funny now in the era of celebrity sex tapes and Wet Ass Pussies on the radio, but the times were so uptight back then.

by Anonymousreply 100October 21, 2021 6:52 PM

R99 Repeating what others just said makes you the definition of a cunt, cunt.

by Anonymousreply 101October 21, 2021 6:56 PM

r101 you just repeated yourself.

by Anonymousreply 102October 21, 2021 6:56 PM

It really was a shame Clive Davis made Whitney sing those treacly ballads. She was such a great talent and should've had better material. That A/C music was garbage at the time and it's aged even worse.

by Anonymousreply 103October 21, 2021 6:57 PM

Thanks, R85.

I also love Heartquake. For Vanessa fans, you've got to watch "A Diva's Christmas Carol" this year (Kathy Griffin & V. Williams).

by Anonymousreply 104October 21, 2021 6:59 PM

R103 Others have said those exact same words. Clearly one troll is having fun repeating what others just said. Fuck off, troll.

by Anonymousreply 105October 21, 2021 7:07 PM

When you think of the material Whitney could've done at her peak, it's a shame Clive stuck her with that Lite FM garbage. She deserved a lot better.

by Anonymousreply 106October 21, 2021 7:16 PM

That Lite FM shit is what made her a huge star and gave her so many #1s

by Anonymousreply 107October 21, 2021 7:35 PM

There was nothin FM lite about Whitney Houston. You're all just trying to minimize her astounding talent and influence. Streisand is already forgotten, never Whitney.

by Anonymousreply 108October 21, 2021 7:46 PM

Whitney Houston was pressured by Clive to sing the MOR ballad shit. Whitney didn't like it and by the time of her third album she told Clive that she was going to take more control over her material. This is well known.

by Anonymousreply 109October 21, 2021 7:55 PM

[quote] "The Greatest Love of All" and "Save the Best for Last" are fine, generic ballads with no personality or character that were designed to appeal to unthinking masses and it worked, and it's a fine way to showcase vocal technical abilities but it stops short of artistry.

"Greatest Love of All" may have saccharine production but the vocal is staggering, it is by no means generic.

by Anonymousreply 110October 22, 2021 1:06 AM

Isn't this world a crazy place?

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by Anonymousreply 111October 22, 2021 1:11 AM

R110 That's what I mean. The songs are good vehicles to showcase vocals but the music and the lyrics don't really do much.

I Will Always Love You has very trite lyrics (Yes, we all love Dolly.) and Whitney proved she could do something astonishing with nothing more than her vocal prowess.

I'm saying that both could have made really "important" music, not just impressive or pretty sounding songs, if they had had better material with teeth and character.

by Anonymousreply 112October 22, 2021 1:12 AM

Indeed, R110. Whitney loved that song. And never failed to deliver it. It showcased every aspect of her vocal nuance, power and genius. Showmanship. It's my least favorite song of hers, but WHITNEY was ASTOUNDING.

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by Anonymousreply 113October 22, 2021 1:14 AM

Sometimes the sun goes round the moon

Sometimes you've got some bitch licking your poon

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by Anonymousreply 114October 22, 2021 1:15 AM

Vanessa is gorgeous in that photo R114.

Whitney is beautiful here. In Every Way.

Vanessa and Whitney have nothing in common musically. Just the obvious. They were both beautiful.

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by Anonymousreply 115October 22, 2021 1:21 AM

Whitney should've had better material. That A/C crap is so dated now. Of course by the mid-90s she was a full-on crackhead so getting her to record ANYTHING was a challenge. She just wanted to be holed up with Bobby and smoke crack all day. What a waste of real talent.

by Anonymousreply 116October 22, 2021 1:25 AM

Whitney released her best albums in the mid and late 1990s. My Love is Your Love is her very best album. Great collaborations and songs, a real flex. Whitney 3.0. The BodyGuard is the biggest selling soundtrack of all time and The Preacher's Wife Soundtrack is the biggest selling gospel album of all time. She had a drug problem. That killed her. Not news.

R116 loves calling Houston a crackhead. He's a demented ANCIENT Barbara sTreizand fAn. One of the last living. She's not even AC. Streizand is a DRECK singer. Kiked up Goy DRECK. Grotesque.

by Anonymousreply 117October 22, 2021 1:38 AM

^^I didn't know the nuthouse allowed the crazies to have internet access.

by Anonymousreply 118October 22, 2021 1:42 AM

Who would know better than you, R118? You're INSANE. We all know who you are.

by Anonymousreply 119October 22, 2021 1:46 AM

Vanessa Williams really showed them all. What a great career she had after being dragged through the mud. And that bullshit scandal is so quaint and old-fashioned now.

by Anonymousreply 120October 22, 2021 1:47 AM

Whitney was a great talent but god what a waste. She had some good songs, but there was a lot of dreck that Clive made her sing.

by Anonymousreply 121October 22, 2021 1:48 AM

It's too bad Whitney never had her own Bacharach/David like her cousin Dionne had, brilliant songwriters and composers who could create songs specifically tailored to her talents. She really need that, and her talent deserved it.

by Anonymousreply 122October 22, 2021 2:00 AM

Whitney was a goddess in every way. Her voice was stunning. No matter what she was made to sing - she sang it better LIVE. Soulfully.

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by Anonymousreply 123October 22, 2021 2:00 AM

Spider Woman

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by Anonymousreply 124October 22, 2021 2:03 AM

Vanessa went more adult contemporary because of the 2 massive hits she has with Save the best for last and love is. I wish she had done more dance music like running back to you.

No one has brought up that pebbles stole the song girlfriend from her. She was recording it with LA Reid and Babyface in 1987 when pebbles another artist who was recording her first album heard it and convinced Reid to give her the track behind babyfaces back. Pebbles offered him cash, a Mercedes and her pussy for the track (both of which belonged to her husband at the time). Babyface tried to get the track back but to no avail. Vanessa never spoke to la Reid again.

by Anonymousreply 125October 22, 2021 2:07 AM

Too bad because Pebbles’ voice doesn’t compare to Vanessa’s. The pop music world is full of treachery and backstabbing. Pebbles is such a cuntrag.

by Anonymousreply 126October 22, 2021 5:23 PM

Pebbles was a cutthroat bitch.

by Anonymousreply 127October 22, 2021 5:24 PM

Also Vanessa can sing live unlike pebbles.

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by Anonymousreply 128October 22, 2021 5:26 PM

OMG I used to love that Mercedes song but that live version sounds nothing like the record. Didn't she bilk TLC out of a bunch of money, too?

by Anonymousreply 129October 22, 2021 6:02 PM

It's ok now because she's a Sister of Christ.

by Anonymousreply 130October 22, 2021 6:32 PM

She has a pretty voice and presence. Stunningly beautiful woman too who is aging gracefully. I would have liked if she had done more dance or upbeat music, she definitely could have pulled off the neo-soul sound if she wanted to. But I think she's happy with her career and did the music she wanted to. She's low-drama, down-to-earth and seems grateful for all that she has too.

by Anonymousreply 131October 22, 2021 6:42 PM

Fun Fact. Vanessa was the number one choice of the producers to replace the Samantha character in the third Sex and The City movie. As a new character of course. And wouldn't she have been amazing?

Even Kim Cattrall tweeted out her enthusiasm for the idea. Guess who was not in favor? Tiny Miss SJP. Threatened by the beauty, class, elegance and wickedly delicious talents of Vanessa, no doubt.

by Anonymousreply 132October 22, 2021 6:49 PM

Instead they cast someone who could look like Vanessa’s sister in the new series

by Anonymousreply 133October 22, 2021 6:50 PM

R132 yeah she would have been great. Shame.

by Anonymousreply 134October 22, 2021 6:52 PM

Whitney's drug habits and lack of guidance is what harmed her career. She didn't have the same grit as Madonna in terms of taking complete control over her career nor could she kick her addiction. Her 80s adult contemporary pop was just the standard of the time, it made her a star because she actually had the vocal chops to elevate the corny material to a higher dimension. Her debut actually was more jazzy and lite R&B sounding while her second album was full-on pop and ballads. She tried new jack swing on her third but it didn't go too well. The Bodyguard soundtrack made her a bigger star globally and to lesser extents, Waiting to Exhale and The Preacher's Wife. Her best album was My Love is Your Love and she could have continued that sound into the 2000s but again her drug addiction and growing unprofessionalism had become beyond control.

by Anonymousreply 135October 22, 2021 6:54 PM

Why are we comparing Whitney to Madonna? Two very different pop stars. Let’s stop comparing the Whitney’s/Adele’s/Celine’s to the Britney’s/Madonna’s/Janet’s of the pop scene. They aren’t the same.

Whitney liked songs that she could sing out.

You keep speaking about her classics as if they’re forgotten. You need help. They’re CLASSICS for a reason, still played on Lite FM to this day, still getting streamed, and gave her many #1s and made her a massive star.

Whitney acting like a Madonna in the 80s would have held her back. She was a black woman.

by Anonymousreply 136October 22, 2021 6:57 PM

Excellent points, R136.

by Anonymousreply 137October 22, 2021 6:59 PM

Whitney didn't need to act out. She was beautiful (worked as a model and was almost cast in The Cosby Show as Sondra) and she could sing. Madonna acted out because was neither beautiful (she was cute and sometimes pretty but not model or Hollywood actress material) and she couldn't sing.

by Anonymousreply 138October 22, 2021 7:07 PM

Agree with r136. This site has a tendency of comparing pop stars that aren’t alike at all. The other day someone else even said they’re shocked Adele has become so big without dancing and having backup dancers. What? She’s Adele, not Britney Spears.

by Anonymousreply 139October 22, 2021 7:13 PM

Whitney would have been successful in any time period because of that voice. I could see her doing blues, jazz, rock, disco and soul. She may have done better if she was born earlier and debuted in the 60s and 70s at the height of Motown.

by Anonymousreply 140October 22, 2021 7:15 PM

Many women with amazing voices don’t become stars. There’s a lot more to being a star than that. Whitney had it all.

by Anonymousreply 141October 22, 2021 7:16 PM

Vanessa would've blown SJP right off the screen. Of course SJP nixed the idea.

by Anonymousreply 142October 22, 2021 7:22 PM

[quote] No one has brought up that pebbles stole the song girlfriend from her. She was recording it with LA Reid and Babyface in 1987 when pebbles another artist who was recording her first album heard it and convinced Reid to give her the track behind babyfaces back. Pebbles offered him cash, a Mercedes and her pussy for the track (both of which belonged to her husband at the time). Babyface tried to get the track back but to no avail. Vanessa never spoke to la Reid again.

In fairness to L.A. Reid, no one knew that Vanessa could be a successful recording artist. "Girlfriend" would have been her FIRST single and it was 50/50 whether the scandal would tank her career or if audiences would embrace her. It worked out better for Vanessa, she proved she didn't need superstar songwriters and producers to get hits.

by Anonymousreply 143October 22, 2021 7:31 PM

[quote] Many women with amazing voices don’t become stars. There’s a lot more to being a star than that. Whitney had it all.

I don't think we truly appreciated this then or now. Whitney had a PHENOMENAL vocal talent -- like nothing we've heard before or since -- and she was supermodel beautiful. That combination is truly extraordinary. There was no way she wouldn't have been a superstar.

by Anonymousreply 144October 22, 2021 7:42 PM

She also had a very large and natural aura/presence that a star needs to be a true star. It wasn’t fabricated.

by Anonymousreply 145October 22, 2021 7:49 PM

Movieline magazine was notorious for getting interview subjects to be more candid that was good for them (i.e. JLo). When "Eraser" was released the interviewer asked Vanessa how she felt about the inevitable comparisons to Whitney Houston. At first she was diplomatic noting that they were the same age and both Black girls from NYC who could sing and act. Then she says (paraphrasing): "...but she's a church girl (i.e. ghetto) and I am a musical theater actress (i.e. bougie)." I remember hoping that Whitney never read that interview.

by Anonymousreply 146October 22, 2021 7:49 PM

Whitney is from NJ and Vanessa grew up in westchester county r146.

by Anonymousreply 147October 22, 2021 7:55 PM

It always bothered me how she pronounced her S’s - kinda like “save the best for lasht”. Around the same time, Malcolm Jamal Warner started doing the same on The Cosby Show.

by Anonymousreply 148October 22, 2021 7:57 PM

Vanessa (1:42) at the Capitol singing "Somewhere" (There's a Place for Us). I've never seen "West Side Story," never particularly liked this song, but I love it now. Makes me cry.

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by Anonymousreply 149October 22, 2021 7:58 PM

I know where they're from, r147. VANESSA said they were both New York City girls, those were her words -- recognizing that their proximity to the city qualified them as Manhattanites. No one was claiming Hackensack, NJ or New Rochelle, NY provenance if they could get away with New York City.

by Anonymousreply 150October 22, 2021 8:02 PM

Ridiculous to imply that Vanessa meant church girl as "ghetto". You're disgusting R146.

She most likely meant that Whitney was a gospel style singer (which she most gloriously was) and that she was a musical theatre "broadway" trained singer. The end. Nobody view Whitney as ghetto. Not before she met Bobbi Brown. And Vanessa Williams is not the RACE baiting creep that you are.

by Anonymousreply 151October 22, 2021 8:03 PM

You're nuts, r151. Vanessa, Whitney and I are the same 'race' -- so no 'race-baiting' here. No one said anything about Bobby Brown except you, and it's now clear what YOU think of him. Vanessa made the statement and the implication was clear. Take your meds, go to your local library and read the article for yourself.

by Anonymousreply 152October 22, 2021 8:17 PM

I really don't want to like that version of Somewhere by Vanessa @ R149. It's a bit cheesy and her voice is very pretty but bland. But I can't help it, she's great.

But this is how it's done.

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by Anonymousreply 153October 22, 2021 8:19 PM

Thanks, R153. There are a lot of great versions of Somewhere on YouTube, including Barbra Streisand's. Yes, I loved it. How did I never know about this song.

by Anonymousreply 154October 22, 2021 8:27 PM

Vanessa comes from an upper-class type of Black family. The boule or Jack & Jill types that married light and bright and attended Presbyterian of Anglican churches. Whitney had blue-collar roots and grew up singing in Baptist churches. Both black but different sides of the community.

by Anonymousreply 155October 22, 2021 9:29 PM

Vanessa did nicely on that version of Somewhere.

But Miss Aretha Franklin did THE version of that song. The pain and yearning at the end.....MARY!

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by Anonymousreply 156October 22, 2021 9:40 PM

Babs' "Somewhere."

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by Anonymousreply 157October 22, 2021 9:44 PM

Patti Labelle, Gladys Knight, and Dionne Warwick, "Somewhere."

I'm sorry, don't mean to derail this thread. Just discovered this beautiful song.

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by Anonymousreply 158October 22, 2021 9:47 PM

You’re full of shit R152, she didn’t imply that Whitney was ghetto and in fact other than your word we don’t even know what she said. Whitney was never an NYC girl. She kept her roots in Jersey for much of her life then Atlanta.

by Anonymousreply 159October 22, 2021 9:57 PM

[quote]Vanessa comes from an upper-class type of Black family. The boule or Jack & Jill types that married light and bright and attended Presbyterian of Anglican churches.

Aka "the talented tenth."

by Anonymousreply 160October 22, 2021 10:11 PM

[quote]The boule or Jack & Jill types that married light and bright and attended Presbyterian of Anglican churches.

I've noticed that upper-income blacks tend to be lighter-skinned while ghetto blacks are usually very dark-skinned.

by Anonymousreply 161October 22, 2021 11:18 PM

[quote] She kept her roots in Jersey for much of her life then Atlanta.

by Anonymousreply 162October 22, 2021 11:19 PM

[quote]She kept her roots in Jersey for much of her life then Atlanta.

Whitney only moved to Atlanta so she could get away from her family and closest associates to smoke crack. She was far away from them and could hole up in her house and smoke 24/7

by Anonymousreply 163October 22, 2021 11:21 PM

R161 Well. It's colorism and the legacy of slavery and one-drop rule. Light-skinned usually meant white admixture which meant more opportunities for social mobility in racist America. Nowadays, it doesn't really exist that much. As many dark-skinned Black people were and are successful. Jamaican, Nigerian and Ghanaian immigrants are amongst the most educated and well-earning. Also many rappers and athletes who tend to be from blue-collar areas will get all types of women.

by Anonymousreply 164October 22, 2021 11:22 PM

Didn’t Pat and Gary live in Atlanta as well? Also I think Whitney’s upbringing was closer to upper middle class. Her dad was a city administrator and her mom was a sought after backup and session singer. They weren’t struggling to pay the bills.

by Anonymousreply 165October 23, 2021 1:06 AM

Vanessas parents were school teachers I think her dad was a principal.

Is vanessas brother Chris gay? He’s a pretty prolific character actor but not much on his personal life. 53 and never married.

by Anonymousreply 166October 23, 2021 1:14 AM

[quote] Vanessa comes from an upper-class type of Black family. The boule or Jack & Jill types that married light and bright and attended Presbyterian of Anglican churches.

R155, do you mean bougie? Boule is a round loaf of bread.

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by Anonymousreply 167October 23, 2021 1:35 AM

We all knew what he meant r167.

by Anonymousreply 168October 23, 2021 1:37 AM

[quote]They’re CLASSICS for a reason, still played on Lite FM to this day...

On "Hits from the 80s-90s-00s" or Easy Listening stations.

by Anonymousreply 169October 23, 2021 2:51 AM

Funny how Suzette Charles’ has almost disappeared from sight. Her career never got past the casino lounge singer circuit.

by Anonymousreply 170October 23, 2021 2:57 AM

Suzette Charles was a nasty bitch.

by Anonymousreply 171October 23, 2021 3:10 AM

Details r171.

by Anonymousreply 172October 23, 2021 3:22 AM

The Whitney hater is not very subtle. EVER. We know who you are too.

by Anonymousreply 173October 23, 2021 3:36 AM

There was another Vanessa thread not too long ago where a poster mentioned that Suzette Charles was just a total bitch. It must be in the archives.

by Anonymousreply 174October 23, 2021 3:37 AM

R159, you're an attention-starved dullard -- and nuts.

by Anonymousreply 175October 23, 2021 4:19 AM

[quote] [R155], do you mean bougie? Boule is a round loaf of bread.

Well, it appears at least one of you is not of the BOULÉ...

by Anonymousreply 176October 23, 2021 4:28 AM

Boulé refers to being from a historical Black fraternity that housed members of the "talenth tenth".

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by Anonymousreply 177October 23, 2021 4:38 AM

Is she still married? She hasn’t posted any pictures of her husband in almost 2 years and doesn’t speak about him, but posts pictures of the rest of her family - even her ex’s!

by Anonymousreply 178October 23, 2021 4:42 AM

R152/175 Pebbles you’re a shitstain on the panties of life and it’s a shame your sister/mother didn’t about you when she had the chance,

by Anonymousreply 179October 23, 2021 4:58 AM

It’s interesting because Nicole Ari Parker who got the 'Samantha' role actually plays Vanessa’s ‘Soul Food’ character in the series adaptation of the movie, and was great. She has probably gotten a lot of roles that Vanessa turned down over the years. I like her (she was funny in Boogie Nights).

Vanessa would have sounded great on some neo soul songs, it’s one of my favourite genres. But she was a lot older than the rest of those artists. And kind of missing a bit of a ‘cool/bohemian’ factor that they had. I’m not sure she would have had big hits in the same universe as Erykah Badu, D’Angelo, Jill Scott, Maxwell, Lauryn Hill, Floetry, and Amel Larrieux.

Maybe a more smooth jazz genre material like Sade would have fit her, and been a more logical transition from her Adult Contemporary ballad style but still doing more exciting and memorable music.

by Anonymousreply 180October 23, 2021 5:06 AM

I'm white and I loved the neo soul of the 90s. LOVED it. It was so sophisticated and cool. Then it got overshadowed by such garbage music.

by Anonymousreply 181October 23, 2021 5:12 AM

Vanessa is beautiful and talented, but don't get crazy. She is not Jill Scott or Lauryn Hill. Her work lacks depth and her voice lacks character.

Nobody but Sade is Sade. I'm not even sure how she got away with it. She's the Enya of neo soul R&B mood music.

by Anonymousreply 182October 23, 2021 5:22 AM

I think Vanessa was right where she was supposed to be as a recording artist. The adult contemporary/pop/R&B thing suits her well. Her voice is best suited to dramatic pop music.

by Anonymousreply 183October 23, 2021 5:28 AM

Sade is fabulous, her music is timeless. As usual, the troll @ r182 knows fuck-all about music.

by Anonymousreply 184October 23, 2021 5:29 AM

[quote] I'm not even sure how she got away with it.

Because you're a clueless idiot.

by Anonymousreply 185October 23, 2021 5:32 AM

Sade is a musical snooze and some kind of mass hysteria voodoo princess. Ancient eldergays of the white persuasion think she was something sophisticated. As they imagine their once young selves. 50 years ago. See R184 and his sad sock puppet, R185.

by Anonymousreply 186October 23, 2021 5:35 AM

My granny loved Sade. She's been dead a while now.

by Anonymousreply 187October 23, 2021 5:38 AM

Sade is so timeless and still beloved by both black and white people alike. You're a fucking idiot. Few people have such a dedicated fan base as she does. Smoky vocals backed by an intoxicating, jazzy mix of horns, bass and percussion. Passion-filled songs that deceptively fit into the easy-listening set, yet remain smoldering and sexy. Her music has really aged well.

by Anonymousreply 188October 23, 2021 5:39 AM

^Is that you Nana?

by Anonymousreply 189October 23, 2021 5:41 AM

[quote]My granny loved Sade. She's been dead a while now.

Of course she's dead. You're not exactly young.

by Anonymousreply 190October 23, 2021 5:51 AM

You don't know me fool. But I'm at least 40 years younger than you, R190. I smell your age. Put the bottle down and go to bed gramps.

by Anonymousreply 191October 23, 2021 6:14 AM

You're 38. I'm actually younger than you. And you're a total fucking loser, too. Nitey night.

by Anonymousreply 192October 23, 2021 6:16 AM

R192 has hundreds and hundreds of insane posts about his crush on John Mulaney??? Very angry and insane. All his other posts are on Dionne Warwick, Barbra Streizand, Candace Bergman and then hundreds of predictable posts and threads about his hatred for Beyonce. So he's THAT elder WHITE RACIST gay of at least 75 years old. Isolate its posts and see the full sickness of his mind. Such hatred and feeble attempt at silencing others. He even stocks other posters from thread to thread for no reason but to name call and harass them. Hate speech. He's a RACIST ancient white fag. No other word for that sad anachronism. I guess HE really is that troll they say is so hard to get rid of here, because it posts from so many devices. Yet there are thousands of posts all listed together that prove R192's old man insanity. Isolate and see for yourself.

Rest well, gramps. Any night could be your last. God bless you. We are given two lives. The second one begins on the night we realize there is only one.

by Anonymousreply 193October 23, 2021 6:35 AM

^^just do the world a favor and end your pathetic existence. JFC.

by Anonymousreply 194October 23, 2021 6:39 AM

The Greatest One of All.

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by Anonymousreply 195October 23, 2021 6:46 AM

(p.s.). I prefer George Benson’s version of The Greatest Love Of All.

by Anonymousreply 196October 23, 2021 11:53 AM

I enjoyed a lot of the 90s sound. All those slow jam ballads.

Anyway, my favorite line from this song is, "Sometimes the very thing you're looking for is the one thing you can't see."

Whenever I hear this song, this line always makes pause and think.

by Anonymousreply 197October 23, 2021 12:22 PM

I just looked her up on iTunes and she has more albums than I knew. I'm listening to samples, and her most recent (2000s) have a lot of songs that musically sound a lot like Madonna's work with Babyface (which I think was Madonna's best era for ballads and R&B).

I don't say that to compare them as artists but to place her sound in a genre and style. I happen to love that sound and so I'm about to buy those albums. I really love her voice.

The music business loves spectacles that demand attention and sell and the business doesn't care at all about longevity. So it goes for powerhouse singers or else people with gimmicks. Vanessa Williams as a rich voice that is pleasant and comfortable to listen to, but it's not bland and characterless. The way she enunciates is specific to her, and her delivery always sounds assured in a certain way...I can't place it exactly: it's not theatrical and showy like Bernadette Peters and young Kate Bush's are, but her articulation does seem like it is probably influenced by her stage musical training.

She's such an underrated person all around. The beauty pageant scandal (and that she did pageants at all) made people think she's dim and talentless.

This is from her Wikipedia bio:

[quote] A child of music teachers, Williams grew up in a musical household, studying classical and jazz dance, French horn, piano, and violin. She was offered the Presidential Scholarship for Drama to attend Carnegie Mellon University during the college application period, (one of 12 students to receive it) but decided instead to attend Syracuse University on a different scholarship. Thus, in 1981, Williams joined Syracuse's College of Visual and Performing Arts, Department of Drama as a musical theater major. She stayed at Syracuse through her second year until she was crowned Miss America 1984 in September 1983.

She is a real talent.

I'm the guy from earlier posts above who interviewed her. At the time, she had been on the Special Olympics organization board of directors for over a decade, and I assumed she was probably just a celebrity spokesperson who agreed to put her name on it. She wasn't. She knew the organization inside and out, she was deeply committed to it, and she had just made an independent movie in part influenced by her Special Olympics affiliation in which she played the mother of an intellectually disabled son, and it was important to her that the actor be intellectually disabled rather than a Gilbert Grape type scenario with a teen pinup being lauded for behaving stereotypically as a "mentally retarded" person. She talked a lot about her (many!) children and she seemed protective of the actors who played her kids in the movie. Of everyone I've interviewed, she is one of two who impressed me in every way, beginning with personal character and insight.

by Anonymousreply 198October 23, 2021 2:08 PM

[quote] Maybe a more smooth jazz genre material like Sade would have fit her, and been a more logical transition from her Adult Contemporary ballad style but still doing more exciting and memorable music.

It does.

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by Anonymousreply 199October 23, 2021 2:11 PM

Supernatural, r195.

by Anonymousreply 200October 23, 2021 3:19 PM

Ostensibly this discussion is about "Save The Best For Last. " I know why it was a hit but it's not my favorite of hers. Her "Comfort Zone" CD has wonderful, more soulful ballads -- "Still In Love", "Just For Tonight", "Goodbye" and "One Reason." All of her albums have great ballads and midtempos. I think she made excellent choices in material. She is not a bellowing pop diva (I LOVE bellowing pop divas, BTW) and she knows it. She always recorded in her comfort zone.

by Anonymousreply 201October 23, 2021 7:11 PM

So in the song, she’s a masochist waiting for this guy to finish with his game and notice how great she is? You think a man wrote this song?

by Anonymousreply 202October 23, 2021 7:32 PM

The NYT used to have a column in their Business section where they would interview a celebrity and discuss their investments. Williams was interviewed and she had recently married, a football player I think, and there was some discussion about assets that were not joint property. She said she had about 8 million in assets.

by Anonymousreply 203October 23, 2021 7:52 PM

One of my all time favorite is You Can’t Run…very sexy song…

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by Anonymousreply 204October 23, 2021 7:56 PM

What is this race talk? Why is race being brought up? There are white people who like neo-soul and R&B and rap. Look around you. There are black people who like country and pop and rock.

Music is universal. It’s not for any specific race. Grow up.

by Anonymousreply 205October 23, 2021 7:56 PM

[quote] So in the song, she’s a masochist waiting for this guy to finish with his game and notice how great she is? You think a man wrote this song?

Yes, it's about a woman waiting patiently in the wings for a man to finish fucking every other woman he wants to fuck. Song written by 2 men and 1 woman.

by Anonymousreply 206October 23, 2021 8:12 PM

Ewwwww I fucking hate country, especially old country. The Gambler by Kenny Rogers came on the radio yesterday and his voice makes me wanna fucking stab everyone between the eyes.

by Anonymousreply 207October 23, 2021 8:22 PM

R207 cool. That is YOU.

by Anonymousreply 208October 23, 2021 8:26 PM

I LOVE this song, r205. I love it so much, I'm going to post the link again.

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by Anonymousreply 209October 23, 2021 8:27 PM

R208 No. That's most people. Only a certain kind of brain dead turd LOVES country. Most blacks wouldn't be caught dead listening to country.

by Anonymousreply 210October 23, 2021 8:28 PM

[quote] This song, “Hero”, “From A Distance”, Celine, all of those cheesy ballads drove me nuts.

Don't forget "Wind Beneath My Wings!" God, I hated all those crummy songs. And they were all big hits. I guess some people really love dreck.

by Anonymousreply 211October 23, 2021 8:31 PM

r205 the only person who brought it up was that disgusting troll.

by Anonymousreply 212October 23, 2021 8:40 PM

[quote]Don't forget "Wind Beneath My Wings!" God, I hated all those crummy songs. And they were all big hits. I guess some people really love dreck.

The Adult Contemporary sound that was so popular in the late 80s/early 90s was just awful. I thought it would never end.

by Anonymousreply 213October 23, 2021 8:41 PM

Pebbles = money thieving cunt

Suzette Choke on a Cockles = title stealing cunt

by Anonymousreply 214October 23, 2021 9:02 PM

My goodness r113, I've never seen that performance before. What power and beauty Whitney had. I'm truly moved.

by Anonymousreply 215October 23, 2021 10:02 PM

I always enjoyed her Christmas album. One of the better ones that nearly every pop star seems to release at some point in their career.

by Anonymousreply 216October 23, 2021 10:44 PM

It's not even fair to show Whitney, R113. She is a whole other stratosphere. One of her very own. Nobody sounds like that, ever. She is the voice of all our creators.

by Anonymousreply 217October 24, 2021 3:06 AM

What is Suzette up to these days? I’d like to know what she did that was so bitchy…

by Anonymousreply 218October 24, 2021 4:17 AM

There are some fine southern soft rock bands that were awesome.

My all time favorite is POCO. “In the Heart of the Night”. “ Crazy Love”.

by Anonymousreply 219October 24, 2021 12:50 PM
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