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Pelosi pulls $1.2T infrastructure bill from promised House vote. AOC wins

Facing an embarrassing defeat at the hands of progressives in her party, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was forced to cancel a vote on a Senate-passed $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill Thursday.

Democratic leadership failed to garner the support needed for passage after the party’s far-left flank vowed to block the measure until there is movement on a sweeping $3.5 trillion social spending bill.

The feud threatens two of President Biden’s top legislative priorities and has so far confounded party leaders, senior congressional staffers, and White House aides who have sought a solution.

Pelosi had insisted all week that the infrastructure legislation would come up for a vote Thursday. She had initially promised moderate members of her conference who supported that measure that it would be voted on by Sept. 27, but allowed the deadline to slide as she sought to placate progressives who wanted to vote on the larger bill first.

Jayapal told reporters that she believed Manchin’s statement had galvanized more progressives to vote against the infrastructure bill — which Manchin played a key role in negotiating — and insisted that her bloc had the votes to bring down the measure,

House progressives been encouraged in their intransigence by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who told reporters that he did not see an agreement on the final form of the social spending bill coming together by Thursday evening and cautioned that progressives would lose leverage if the infrastructure bill was passed first.

“What deal, what deal?” Sanders asked. “We do not know what the deal is. If it’s a $10 trillion deal I will sign off on it.”

House Democratic moderates are similarly incensed after Pelosi cut a deal with them in July to hold a vote on the infrastructure measure in exchange for their votes on a budget allowing Democrats to move forward with the $3.5 trillion plan — which they are attempting to pass without Republican support.

Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.), the chair of the moderate-conservative Democratic Blue Dog Coalition, threatened to withhold her vote on the reconciliation bill on Wednesday if the bipartisan bill did not come before the House, arguing that the delay had hindered her “trust” that leadership and progressives would negotiate with them in good faith.

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by Anonymousreply 199October 23, 2021 9:08 PM

The Democratic Party is a failed party incapable of carrying out any significant reform. There will be no changes under Biden, and then we will go back to Trump - who will get all the Republicans behind him to enact any legislature the religious nutters want.

by Anonymousreply 1October 2, 2021 1:17 AM

The Doomocrats are doomed.

by Anonymousreply 2October 2, 2021 1:20 AM

The only reason the reconciliation bill can't move forward is Sinema and Manchin. Its two people in Washington holding up the Dem agenda.

by Anonymousreply 3October 2, 2021 1:20 AM

I don't know if AOC wins, but Pelosi underestimated her.

In the old days, everyone fell in line. In BOTH parties.

Now, everyone has gone rogue. And it's tough trying to put together a patchwork quilt, made of all these different factions.

It's a different world, and Nancy has to re-learn how to navigate the politics.

To be honest, I don't know if anyone in Congress can pull everyone together.

by Anonymousreply 4October 2, 2021 1:25 AM

Is this a NYPost link smearing democrats? Not welcome here.

by Anonymousreply 5October 2, 2021 1:30 AM

Poor Nancy.

by Anonymousreply 6October 2, 2021 1:34 AM

[quote] The only reason the reconciliation bill can't move forward is Sinema and Manchin

Neither Sinema nor Manchin have a vote in the House. This retreat is entirely on Pelosi's own majority caucus.

by Anonymousreply 7October 2, 2021 1:37 AM

TAX THE BITCH 👠

by Anonymousreply 8October 2, 2021 1:39 AM

. I assume eventually some compromise will be reached. If not, absolutely nothing will happen in the year and a half the Dems have control of Congress.

This also makes. iden look like a loser. Congress Congratulations, Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 9October 2, 2021 1:42 AM

Biden not iden. Democrats lose/lose every time.

by Anonymousreply 10October 2, 2021 1:43 AM

I hate this conniving cunt.

by Anonymousreply 11October 2, 2021 1:44 AM

God, whatta troll thread.

by Anonymousreply 12October 2, 2021 1:45 AM

A link to....the Post.

by Anonymousreply 13October 2, 2021 1:46 AM

I haven’t followed this because even the inept Dems should cobble together a last minute compromise. They’re not totally insane,

by Anonymousreply 14October 2, 2021 1:46 AM

FF NYpost troll bait threads.

by Anonymousreply 15October 2, 2021 1:50 AM

If you haven't been following this, r14, butt out with any of your "inept" commentary.

by Anonymousreply 16October 2, 2021 1:51 AM

Nothing r9? They passed a massive 1.9 trillion stimulus bill. Stuff has happened.

(Of course I want both of these bills to pass as well)

by Anonymousreply 17October 2, 2021 1:56 AM

AOC didn't "win", r4, and Nancy didn't underestimate her. The Progressives have been crystal clear all along. If they pass the Infrastructure bill, forget about the Reconciliation bill ever seeing the light of day. It's not about the Progressives agenda, it's about Biden's. It's what he ran on and it should be delivered to the American people.

by Anonymousreply 18October 2, 2021 2:01 AM

I'd say Pelosi did underestimate them to an extent r18, she did seem to think they might just fall in line and pass this bill anyway.

But I do think at heart Pelosi really wants the reconciliation bill to pass too, it's not like she disagrees with what they are fighting for.

by Anonymousreply 19October 2, 2021 2:04 AM

She should have called the progressives' bluff/threat. If they really voted it down, they'd kill any shot of the Democrats retaining the house AND they'd also kill any chance of the big bill passing as well. Also, if the idiot Republicans really wanted to kill the big bill, the best thing they could possibly do would be to vote for the bipartisan bill and hope that a handful of moderate Democrats refuse to vote for it. But they aren't smart enough to figure that out since they are only the party of "no"...and sedition/treason and authoritarianism.

by Anonymousreply 20October 2, 2021 2:12 AM

Biden offers to CUT his $3.5T budget to $2.3T to save his agenda: Joe tells AOC and progressives 'if you don't compromise, you get nothing' and says there will be NO infrastructure vote until he gets his reconciliation package as his agenda stalls AGAIN

He arrived shortly before 4pm amid a continuing stalemate around a long-awaited proposal to overhaul the nation’s roads, bridges, ports and Internet infrastructure.

Progressives are refusing to move forward with it until they can be sure centrists will not water down the bigger, $3.5 trillion proposal. It proposes hiking taxes on the nations wealthiest in order to fund a huge round of spending on free education, social care and green measures.

Biden offered to reduce the top-line figure to $1.9 trillion to $2.3 trillion, according to the Associated Press.

And he told lawmakers that the infrastructure bill would not happen until there was agreement on the bigger spending proposal.

'Even a smaller bill can make historic investments,' he said, according to several Congressional reporters citing sources inside the room.

Afterwards Rep. Mike Quigley summed up the sentiment. 'I think the number one message was, if you don't compromise, you get zero,' he told Politico.

On one side is the 96-member strong 𝘊𝘰𝘯𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘗𝘳𝘰𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘊𝘢𝘶𝘤𝘶𝘴, 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘣𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰𝘨𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘯 𝘢 𝘷𝘰𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘣𝘭𝘰𝘤 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘯𝘧𝘳𝘢𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘯 until Senate moderates agree to support the broader social agenda.

On the other side, moderate lawmakers from swing districts, who will be critical to Democrats keeping control of the House in the 2022 midterms, are pleading for the infrastructure vote.

Democratic Representative Ilhan Omar, a leader of House progressives, told reporters: 'Nothing has changed with our caucus members. We don't have the votes to pass infrastructure.'

Progressives originally wanted a $6 trillion package. Rep. Cori Bush argued the $3.5 trillion 'was the compromise.'

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by Anonymousreply 21October 2, 2021 2:14 AM

From the beginning, the leadership said that the 2 bills would be passed together. House moderates were pushing for a vote on the stupid bipartisan bill. Once the bipartisan bill passes. Conservative Democrats are going to drop the human infrastructure bill. Their corporate donors don’t support the climate change portion, nor the prescription drug portion. The majority of Democrats, Republicans and Independents support the legislation. Manchin and Sinema are working for billionaires and corporations.

AOC is not the leader of the progressive caucus. Pramilla Jayapal is. She has said many times that progressives would not allow the the bipartisan bill to be passed without the human infrastructure bill. Again both pieces of legislation are hugely popular. These are things Americans want and need. Why should we allow billionaires and corporations to derail (via Manchin and Sinema) what the majority of what the nation wants?

Republicans want to use AOC to demonize Biden’s agenda. It won’t work.

by Anonymousreply 22October 2, 2021 2:15 AM

This whole hot mess is shaping up like 2008 Obama/democrat stimulus package of which Pelosi famously quipped "we have to pass it to see what's in it".....

Democrats are yet again trying to get a wish list of left, socialist, liberal wet dreams crammed into bill that will become law. It isn't helping that party is far more fractured than 2008, and Pelosi is trying to herd a pack of fighting cats.

by Anonymousreply 23October 2, 2021 2:16 AM

[Quote]Democrats are yet again trying to get a wish list of left, socialist, liberal wet dreams crammed into bill

I know this kills you troll r23, but the things Dems are fighting for in the reconciliation bill are quite popular with the American people. People approve of taxing the rich more to improve the country.

by Anonymousreply 24October 2, 2021 2:23 AM

[quote] Democrats are yet again trying to get a wish list of left, socialist, liberal wet dreams crammed into bill that will become law. It isn't helping that party is far more fractured than 2008, and Pelosi is trying to herd a pack of fighting cats.

That’s bullshit!

Progressives wanted 6 trillion. They came down to 3. Americans also want the bill to be bigger than 3 trillion. Progressives again have said that they would negotiate the dollar amount.

The party is not “more fractured.” 2 senators are holding up the legislation. Manchin and Sinema have refused to even negotiate. This week has been wasted on begging them to just tell Congress what they actually want. Again progressives are willing to negotiate. Manchin and Sinema have not been willing because again they work for billionaires and corporations, not their constituents. Their constituents, like most average Americans want both bills. And average Americans would actually like a larger infrastructure bill.

by Anonymousreply 25October 2, 2021 2:24 AM

[quote] I know this kills you troll [R23], but the things Dems are fighting for in the reconciliation bill are quite popular with the American people. People approve of taxing the rich more to improve the country.

Even Manchin’s backwoods west VA base support taxing the rich.

by Anonymousreply 26October 2, 2021 2:26 AM

Manchin should change his party affiliation from D to R. That would end all this intra Dem squabbling.

by Anonymousreply 27October 2, 2021 2:31 AM

McConnell would be senate majority leader right now if that were the case r27. As much as he sucks its still better than an R.

by Anonymousreply 28October 2, 2021 2:32 AM

Ultimate troll thread. Thanks for getting here months late but anyone who follows this knows there was a sequence agreed to months ago in both the House and Senate that the reconciliation bill would pass first, then the smaller infrastructure bill. It’s Manchin and Sinema that are reneging and holding things up. As of yesterday, Manchin at least stated his top line figure.

Anyone saying anything otherwise is just an ignorant shit stirrer.

by Anonymousreply 29October 2, 2021 2:34 AM

[quote]The Democratic Party is a failed party incapable of carrying out any significant reform. There will be no changes under Biden, and then we will go back to Trump - who will get all the Republicans behind him to enact any legislature the religious nutters want.

That’s because Democrats refuse to get rid of the dinosaurs in its party and refuse to mentor younger people so they can pass the torch because they can’t stand to relinquish power. I see very few young Democrats in office because nobody wants to mentor the next Democrat generation. Yet Rethugs are constantly mentoring 20-somethings for their party.

by Anonymousreply 30October 2, 2021 2:35 AM

AOC and the others are BEYOND short-sighted! either they get something or get nothing! either they pass everything or will lose the house and possibly the presidency in 2024! it's NOT just about their wants and wishes and for the now!...

they act like they are running for class president, secretary and treasurer in grade school or student council.....

by Anonymousreply 31October 2, 2021 2:39 AM

Yes, r24, I'd like to know exactly which " left, socialist, liberal wet dreams" r23 refers to.

by Anonymousreply 32October 2, 2021 2:40 AM

[quote] That’s because Democrats refuse to get rid of the dinosaurs in its party and refuse to mentor younger people so they can pass the torch because they can’t stand to relinquish power. I see very few young Democrats in office because nobody wants to mentor the next Democrat generation. Yet Rethugs are constantly mentoring 20-somethings for their party.

Too bad the Democrats aren’t young like Chuck Grassley (80 + running again), Mitch McConnell and Trump.

[quote] AOC and the others are BEYOND short-sighted! either they get something or get nothing! either they pass everything or will lose the house and possibly the presidency in 2024! it's NOT just about their wants and wishes and for the now!.. they act like they are running for class president, secretary and treasurer in grade school or student council.....

From the beginning, the leadership said that the 2 bills would be passed together. House moderates were pushing for a vote on the stupid bipartisan bill. Once the bipartisan bill passes. Conservative Democrats are going to drop the human infrastructure bill. Their corporate donors don’t support the climate change portion, nor the prescription drug portion. The majority of Democrats, Republicans and Independents support the legislation. Manchin and Sinema are working for billionaires and corporations.

AOC is not the leader of the progressive caucus. Pramilla Jayapal is. She has said many times that progressives would not allow the the bipartisan bill to be passed without the human infrastructure bill. Again both pieces of legislation are hugely popular. These are things Americans want and need. Why should we allow billionaires and corporations to derail (via Manchin and Sinema) what the majority of what the nation wants?

Republicans want to use AOC to demonize Biden’s agenda. It won’t work.

You’re shortsighted or just an idiotic troll.

by Anonymousreply 33October 2, 2021 2:45 AM

[quote] Democrats refuse to get rid of the dinosaurs in its party and refuse to mentor younger people so they can pass the torch

A big part of that is the next generation of democrats was slaughtered during the Obama years. Senate has fallen from 59 to 48. They’ve lost 62 House seats, 12 governorships, and 958 seats in state legislatures.

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by Anonymousreply 34October 2, 2021 2:45 AM

We Dems are in for a really bad Mid Terms. We are also never going to win in 2024. And it is Trumps for the taking if he can stay out of jail. The GOP really did steal the next presidential election, they put all the pieces in motion to suprress the votes in 2024.. This country is going to be for the RICH and everyone else is going to be scrambling to survive---even the middle class.

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by Anonymousreply 35October 2, 2021 2:49 AM

How dare progressives fight for Medicare expansion, lowering the cost of prescription drugs, childcare, paid family leave and all the other shit that Americans, regardless of party affiliation, want.

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by Anonymousreply 36October 2, 2021 2:49 AM

WHY should the government pay for childcare?. Shouldn't the BURDEN of childcare be a deterrent to mothers who keep tossing fatherless children from their vaginas?

by Anonymousreply 37October 2, 2021 2:51 AM

No r31. They realize if they pass the infrastructure bill now the reconciliation bill is dead in the water. This way you keep pressure on the Senate to keep working on it.

They can always pass the infrastructure bill later.

It's really not that complicated.

by Anonymousreply 38October 2, 2021 2:52 AM

Hypocritical GOP Pushes ‘Socialism’ Narrative While Pushing For Corporate Tax Cuts

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by Anonymousreply 39October 2, 2021 2:53 AM

[quote]It's really not that complicated.

Well R38 why don’t you join the Senate and tell them that?! They’re waiting!

by Anonymousreply 40October 2, 2021 2:54 AM

You know Sinema was also one of those eccentrics before she was a senator Now she won't vote for anything and she thinks she is still being "Pure" and living up to her personal ideals. Well, that is bullshit. All legislation All of it is a result of compromise. And the AOCs and her "squad" can get their way and everything they think we need, and it will never pass the Senate, but they will crow about the "battles" they win, while they lose the war. Bernie was like that too. Dumbasses. And never for one moment believe that Pelosi under estimated anything. Or that she was not aware of stuff. Do not fuck with Pelosi.

by Anonymousreply 41October 2, 2021 2:55 AM

[quote] You know Sinema was also one of those eccentrics before she was a senator Now she won't vote for anything and she thinks she is still being "Pure" and living up to her personal ideals. Well, that is bullshit. All legislation All of it is a result of compromise. And the AOCs and her "squad" can get their way and everything they think we need, and it will never pass the Senate, but they will crow about the "battles" they win, while they lose the war. Bernie was like that too. Dumbasses. And never for one moment believe that Pelosi under estimated anything. Or that she was not aware of stuff. Do not fuck with Pelosi.

Sinema is a fucking fraud and a conwoman. This isn’t about principles. She has none. She’s just there to get rich.

by Anonymousreply 42October 2, 2021 3:02 AM

PETE is MIA in all of this.....I told you he was a clown.

by Anonymousreply 43October 2, 2021 3:06 AM

Super troll at R43. What does the Secretary of Transport have to do with canvassing votes in Congress? Nothing.

R35, doing their bit to suppress the Democratic vote.

by Anonymousreply 44October 2, 2021 3:08 AM

R44 = WTF? Pete was everywhere in the media bragging about the need for the Infrastructure. Now he is nowhere and doing nothing to talk about it...Probably at home with his fat manwife. and their egg donor brats. And NO I am not a troll, I am just like millions of gays who dislike lazy midget Pete.

by Anonymousreply 45October 2, 2021 3:16 AM

Holding an infrastructure bill that has bipartisan support hostage is going to come back to haunt the Dems. The progressives will be to blame when more moderate Dems go down in 2022 and hand the house back over to the Republicans. Progressives and their BLM/defund the police cost moderate Dems seats in swing districts in 2020. The winner of all this will be Kevin McCarthy. That infuriates me because I hate that smug weasel

by Anonymousreply 46October 2, 2021 3:17 AM

Once again, a thread that attracts the stupidest, motherfucking enablers who call themselves "moderates."

Listen up, lying sacks of shit: The progressives want to pass everything Biden wants. Two cunts in the Senate -one of whom represents a shit state with no fucking money and half the pop. of NYC (unlike AOC who comes from a city that provides that shit red state with its money) and another who is a fucking cunt and a liar. Both of them representing DONORS, not constituents.

You're an imbecile if you try to put the blame on anyone but those two cunts in the Senate. They alone stand in the way of BIDEN'S AGENDA.

The Republicans win because some of you assholes literally watch them become fucking fascists and yet you still express more hatred for people like AOC who did nothing wrong.

by Anonymousreply 47October 2, 2021 3:20 AM

If the Dems blow this game of chicken, they’ll deserve to lose their majority & the presidency.

by Anonymousreply 48October 2, 2021 3:22 AM

Biden didn’t exactly win because of his agenda. He won because he wasn’t Trump and the way Covid was being handled. If Covid hadn’t occurred and it was Biden vs Trump on policy, Trump would have won. It’s not that I necessarily agree with Trump’s policies, I just know how this country would have voted

by Anonymousreply 49October 2, 2021 3:25 AM

The Dems wouldn’t have lost the seats they did in 2020 if their agenda was popular. They also lost a lot of senate seats where they were favored or expected to be competitive

by Anonymousreply 50October 2, 2021 3:28 AM

I agree Biden won because he wasn’t Trump, R49, but I disagree that Covid was the difference. Trump’s chances were doomed before Covid because his support among suburban women had cratered. If Covid was the difference, we wouldn’t have seen lower ballot Republicans do so surprisingly well, certainly better than Trump.

by Anonymousreply 51October 2, 2021 3:32 AM

This country deserves to go to shit because of deplorables and their enablers on the left of the Bill Maher variety who are plentiful on DL. You really are such shits. Your prejudice is what has given rise to the fascism we see now. You're fucking pathetic. The progressives have done nothing wrong. We have trash in this country who vote Republican knowing that Obama is the only reason they now have healthcare. You make excuses for that ilk and attack progressives.

Really, just go fuck yourselves. I hope low income moderates suffer under the GOP due to their constant whining about "progressives."

by Anonymousreply 52October 2, 2021 3:33 AM

They also won two Senate seats in fucking Georgia r50 which no one saw coming.

But yes, just pick and choose the pieces that support your narrative.

by Anonymousreply 53October 2, 2021 3:33 AM

R53, and of course he ignores that and the fact that AOC isn't one who is now making voting anti-democratic in that state and just have GOP-led legislatures pick the Republican they want even when the Dem wins.

And don't get me started on the fucking media's role in this mess. Legitimizing the garbage on the right.

by Anonymousreply 54October 2, 2021 3:37 AM

[quote] Holding an infrastructure bill that has bipartisan support hostage is going to come back to haunt the Dems. The progressives will be to blame when more moderate Dems go down in 2022 and hand the house back over to the Republicans. Progressives and their BLM/defund the police cost moderate Dems seats in swing districts in 2020. The winner of all this will be Kevin McCarthy. That infuriates me because I hate that smug weasel

1. If it actually had “bi partisan support.” Guess what, they could pass it without progressive Democrats.

2. Let me say this again. The legislation is popular with Democrats, Republicans and Independents. Americans actually want a larger than 3 trillion bill. The shit that average Americans really want, that will benefit them the most, is in the human infrastructure bill. The roads and bridges bill will benefit corporations more than average Americans; although we need roads and bridges too.

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by Anonymousreply 55October 2, 2021 3:41 AM

R53, that had more to do with Trump assailing the legitimacy of the ballot, thereby depressing the Republican turnout. The GQP Senate candidates (Loeffker/Collins & Perdue) in Georgia had more votes in the general election than Warnock & Ossof.

by Anonymousreply 56October 2, 2021 3:42 AM

NEWSFLASH TO R49: Trump didn’t win the popular vote in 2016. He did not have the electoral reserves to win the EC or the popular vote in 2022. He also lost the House in 2018 and lost both the House and the Senate in 2020.

But people like you think all he does is win, win, win. Uh huh.

The GOP Party of Trump is wearing out the electorate with their nonsense, that’s not going to get better before the midterms. The media LOVES the idea that Trump is going to run again - but what is that going to be? You think Trump is going to come up with new material? That material was old the 1st time and now it’s all proven to be false, “populist” bullshit.

For the next 20 years, there will never be a time when AMERICANS can relax and stay home from the polls - every election we’re going to have to drive the vote out and defeat fascism. That’s where we’re at in our country. Trump supporters are not Americans. They’re Putin’s gormless tools, mindlessly and ignorantly ruining the country - just look at what they’ve done re: COVID. Just look at all the corruption they support. These people are idiots and it’s well past time to call them what they are and stop passively enabling them. They are the enemy of democracy. Believe it.

by Anonymousreply 57October 2, 2021 3:51 AM

[quote] [R53], that had more to do with Trump assailing the legitimacy of the ballot, thereby depressing the Republican turnout. The GQP Senate candidates (Loeffker/Collins & Perdue) in Georgia had more votes in the general election than Warnock & Ossof.

Nope. Warnoock won more votes in both.

by Anonymousreply 58October 2, 2021 3:52 AM

Good for the Democrats and good for America.

by Anonymousreply 59October 2, 2021 3:53 AM

Humiliating.

by Anonymousreply 60October 2, 2021 3:53 AM

[quote]This also makes. iden look like a loser. Congress Congratulations, Democrats.

How many sockpuppets do you fucking HAVE? Most of your "Biden is a loser" posts are absolutely incoherent, like this one, and I put you on ignore every time, and yet you come back with a new account.

Fuck you and fuck Mediapolis for allowing trash like you to spam this place.

by Anonymousreply 61October 2, 2021 3:54 AM

Sorry girls, but Democrats have overplayed their hand. Strange times when we have to admit that Trump's policies weren't all that bad. Who gives a fuck about some "mean Tweets"? We are now circling the toilet.

by Anonymousreply 62October 2, 2021 3:55 AM

R58, he won more votes than Loeffler both times, but you’ll note I included Collins in my post. The combined Republican votes of Collins & Loeffler in November dwarfed Warnock’s numbers, exceeding 50% of the vote.

by Anonymousreply 63October 2, 2021 3:59 AM

Who is the IDIOT posting articles from the New York Post?

THE FACT IS, everything is on track, Biden is happy with where things stand and has everything under control, and anyone who tells you different is bollocks. No, we're not going to get $3.5 trillion, but I'm not complaining.

by Anonymousreply 64October 2, 2021 4:01 AM

[quote]She should have called the progressives' bluff/threat. If they really voted it down, they'd kill any shot of the Democrats retaining the house AND they'd also kill any chance of the big bill passing as well.

Yes, Pelosi should have done something that would have guaranteed Republican control of the House and Senate in under two years. What a great idea.

[quote]Also, if the idiot Republicans really wanted to kill the big bill, the best thing they could possibly do would be to vote for the bipartisan bill and hope that a handful of moderate Democrats refuse to vote for it. But they aren't smart enough to figure that out since they are only the party of "no"...and sedition/treason and authoritarianism.

Individual Repugs won't vote for the bill because it would hurt them in their respective districts. They don't care about what's going on on DC, their entire focus is what's going on in their own district, because they just want to get reelected. That means nothing but no votes on anything Biden does, except for a handful of Repugs who think they can weather the occasional yes vote here and there.

by Anonymousreply 65October 2, 2021 4:03 AM

I agree, R64. We’re going to have to accept settling for something closer to “only” $2 trillion.

by Anonymousreply 66October 2, 2021 4:04 AM

R56, so stupid.

Yes, just ignore Stacy Abrams Get-Out-The-Vote efforts.

Are you paying attention at all to why GA just put in new voter suppression laws? You think it's because Republicans didn't show up? They are trying to invalidate the votes of the people who came out in 2020 to vote for DEMOCRATS.

Democrats get the most votes at every fucking level, that's the only reason the GOP is doing what they are doing now. Shame on you for attempting to dismiss what the Dems accomplished in GA.

by Anonymousreply 67October 2, 2021 4:08 AM

[quote] They also won two Senate seats in fucking Georgia [R50] which no one saw coming.

Wins bought with yet another broken promise

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by Anonymousreply 68October 2, 2021 4:09 AM

[quote]Strange times when we have to admit that Trump's policies weren't all that bad.

Which policies? And don't use "we" when speaking for scum like yourself.

by Anonymousreply 69October 2, 2021 4:09 AM

[quote]The progressives want to pass everything Biden wants.

Why haven't they come up with a separate bill with all their wants on it and said "we won't vote for the infrastructure bills unless you guarantee this bill will come up for a vote" then? Why hold legislation that's been worked on for months hostage?

I'm sorry, I know you don't like this, but it's not just Manchin and Sinema, it's also the Progressive wing of the Democrats who are holding things up. I know it's tradition for politicians to hold stuff up to get pork and perks but the public is sick of it and all it seems to do these days is lead to stupid internet trolling and fights.

by Anonymousreply 70October 2, 2021 4:10 AM

R68, so you're too fucking stupid to read the first few words of your own stupid link?

by Anonymousreply 71October 2, 2021 4:11 AM

[quote]I'd like to know exactly which " left, socialist, liberal wet dreams" [R23] refers to.

[quote]Which policies?

Guys, stop asking trolls questions. You're literally asking them to troll more.

by Anonymousreply 72October 2, 2021 4:13 AM

Republicans burn down the house and cut the hose up so Dems can't even use it to put out the fire, so they have to travel a distance to get buckets of water to put out the fire. This is the response of Trump-enabling moderate flying monkeys shitting on Biden and progressives:

"Dems are letting this fire burn! They're not doing enough to put it out! This is on Biden!"

by Anonymousreply 73October 2, 2021 4:14 AM

[quote] Republicans burn down the house and cut the hose up so Dems can't even use it to put out the fire, so they have to travel a distance to get buckets of water to put out the fire. This is the response of Trump-enabling moderate flying monkeys shitting on Biden and progressives: "Dems are letting this fire burn! They're not doing enough to put it out! This is on Biden!"

Manchin and Sinema are the problem. What is your solution?

by Anonymousreply 74October 2, 2021 4:17 AM

Oh, R69- all you have is name calling. Good Comrade for making yourself a poster child.

by Anonymousreply 75October 2, 2021 4:22 AM

Excuse me, this is datalounge , not polit-a-lounge

by Anonymousreply 76October 2, 2021 4:28 AM

R67, you can resort to childish name-calling, but facts are a stubborn thing. And the facts are Perdue got more votes than Ossof in November, barely missing the 50% threshold, and, while Warnock indeed got more votes in the general than Loeffler, the combined Loeffler & Collins vote was much more than what Warnock received.

by Anonymousreply 77October 2, 2021 4:30 AM

Candidate Biden promised Seniors 200 dollars a month extra if he was elected. Now he will not even discuss it. The Cola is only going to add 30 bucks to most seniors. Theres a couple of million LESS votes Democrats will get in 2024 thanks to Bidens Broken Promise.

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by Anonymousreply 78October 2, 2021 4:34 AM

[quote] There will be no changes under Biden, and then we will go back to Trump - who will get all the Republicans behind him to enact any legislature the religious nutters want.

Were you out of the country during the Trump presidency?

by Anonymousreply 79October 2, 2021 4:34 AM

You need to get better at this r62. Far too obvious, no one is going to buy your act.

by Anonymousreply 80October 2, 2021 4:35 AM

R80, it's true. There's no act. We need to pull our heads out of our asses or get fried in 2022. Constant cheerleading for stupid ideas ain't gonna cut it anymore.

by Anonymousreply 81October 2, 2021 4:41 AM

[quote] This is on Biden!

No

by Anonymousreply 82October 2, 2021 4:55 AM

Isn’t it time for Nancy to go? Who is her successor? Does she even care?

by Anonymousreply 83October 2, 2021 5:07 AM

Fun Fact = FIFTY PERCENT of the Senate is older than 65 years old....25 Senators are between the age of 70 and 87 years old. THEY will not impose term limits on themselves (and only they can)...The DC Money Grift is not only for them to cash in on but their family members. Look at Nancys Husband and Mitches Wife as examples.

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by Anonymousreply 84October 2, 2021 5:27 AM

[quote] The DC Money Grift is not only for them to cash in on but their family members. Look at Nancys Husband and Mitches Wife as examples.

What's wrong with that?

by Anonymousreply 85October 2, 2021 5:31 AM

Too many special little snowflakes on the left for them to be effective.

by Anonymousreply 86October 2, 2021 5:38 AM

R86, yeah, just ignore that those "snowflakes" believe in Biden's actual agenda and that even Republicans in WV are for the Biden agenda. Be a disingenuous tool who ignores that rather than blame the two assholes who work for donors and against their own constituents.

You know who the actual snowflakes are? The whining bitches on DL who cry about "name-calling" but were fine when a fucking orange shitstain who became president did it all of the time.

by Anonymousreply 87October 2, 2021 5:56 AM

This is what happens when geriatrics are in charge.

by Anonymousreply 88October 2, 2021 5:59 AM

R87 is quite a dear. She's definitely triggered and needs meds.

by Anonymousreply 89October 2, 2021 6:01 AM

That’s quite the straw man R87’s constructed.

by Anonymousreply 90October 2, 2021 6:02 AM

I am a Democrat and I honestly don’t think they know what they are doing. It seems like they are just making it up as they go along with no leadership.

Nancy is 81.

by Anonymousreply 91October 2, 2021 6:03 AM

No, it isn't a strawman argument. You are lying about who the actual problem is. You've done this for years. And I agree with those who say you're trolls. Better to put you guys on ignore. You're tiresome and you're hypocrites.

by Anonymousreply 92October 2, 2021 6:04 AM

Only someone as delusional as R87 would fail to understand that the weakness of the Democrats is their inability to unite and get things done.

by Anonymousreply 93October 2, 2021 6:05 AM

I'm not delusional, you fool. The progressives have only asked that their requirements be included and they would vote for everything. Sinema hasn't offered shit. She's a troll.

by Anonymousreply 94October 2, 2021 6:06 AM

No toll here. I’m a Biden supporter who loathes the Vanilla Isis party & dreads their possible return to power.

by Anonymousreply 95October 2, 2021 6:09 AM

Someone make sure R94 is taking her meds, she's in as much of fantasyland as AOC.

by Anonymousreply 96October 2, 2021 6:10 AM

You ladies are so much fun to debate with.

by Anonymousreply 97October 2, 2021 6:10 AM

[quote]Isn’t it time for Nancy to go? Who is her successor? Does she even care?

When she did an interview with 60 Minutes earlier this year, the interviewer tried asking her why the Democrats aren’t mentoring and preparing younger Democrats and Nancy got snippy with her and just said “we are” yet couldn’t elaborate.

by Anonymousreply 98October 2, 2021 6:15 AM

R98, I love watching that bitch under pressure. She should have left long ago, and I have no sympathy. She's amusing and entertaining but so pathetic at this point.

by Anonymousreply 99October 2, 2021 6:18 AM

R99 She also got bitchy in an interview with Brianna Keilar for daring to ask a tough question. It’s like how stupid do you have to be to get shitty with people from your own party just because they’re holding you accountable?

by Anonymousreply 100October 2, 2021 6:22 AM

[quote] [R98], I love watching that bitch under pressure. She should have left long ago, and I have no sympathy. She's amusing and entertaining but so pathetic at this point.

[quote] Only someone as delusional as [R87] would fail to understand that the weakness of the Democrats is their inability to unite and get things done.

[quote] am a Democrat and I honestly don’t think they know what they are doing. It seems like they are just making it up as they go along with no leadership. Nancy is 81.

Pelosi is 81 and she is a master at her job! She raises a shit ton of money and she passes legislation in the house. Unlike the much younger Paul Ryan, she does not bring bills to the floor; unless she has the votes.

2 Democrats are holding the legislation up for their own selfish reasons. Those 2 Democrats are not in the House. They are in the senate. They are Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema. That doesn’t have shit to do with Pelosi. You have to be a fool not to understand that.

Either you don’t understand the process or you’re a idiotic troll.

by Anonymousreply 101October 2, 2021 6:33 AM

R101, it's not selfish at all. In fact, the complete opposite. Those two are heroes for not taking the bait. Go clean your face.

by Anonymousreply 102October 2, 2021 6:36 AM

All this inflamed jibber-jabber is rather like arguing with a whore. Everyone knows what outcome will be, only question is what will it take to get from "knowing" to "yes".

Social and physical infrastructure bills along with whatever else democrats are including in reconciliation process will happen. Every democrat in Congress knows this because the alternative is too horrible for contemplation.

UK is hosting a huge climate conference of world leaders starting in less than 30 days. Biden is *NOT* going there empty handed. If things drag on more than two weeks, heads will be knocked together, threats issued and or whatever else it takes to bring certain members of democratic caucus to heel.

by Anonymousreply 103October 2, 2021 6:53 AM

I don’t think elderly Nancy is so great - she has been trying for 3 months a d failed. Time for applesauce and napping

by Anonymousreply 104October 2, 2021 6:59 AM

[quote] 2 Democrats are holding the legislation up for their own selfish reasons. Those 2 Democrats are not in the House. They are in the senate.

Scapegoating. Senators have no vote in the House.

The Progressive Congressional Caucus members DO vote in the House, and they instead block Nancy and Biden.

As AOC once said "I'm da boss how about that"

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by Anonymousreply 105October 2, 2021 7:12 AM

If any of them had a brain, it would be simple enough to ask for $10 trillion and “settle” for $5 trillion. Then state that compromise is effective=Win/win. However, since they do not, lose/lose. Losers all around.

p.s. Linda G thinks Dems will do well in upcoming election.

by Anonymousreply 106October 2, 2021 8:41 AM

Pelosi’s not a cunt, that was harsh. But she’s elitist to her core. I’m all for progressive politics.

by Anonymousreply 107October 2, 2021 2:05 PM

R65, the point is that the progressives couldn't really vote against it without suffering the fate you describe. Do they really want to be in a Kevin McCarthy run House? That's what they are working towards right now by not passing the existing infrastructure bill. Pass it now and continue working on their dream bill. Playing for all-or-nothing is absolutely idiotic.

by Anonymousreply 108October 2, 2021 2:08 PM

The next Dem leader in the House is widely expected to be Hakeem Jeffries r83.

by Anonymousreply 109October 2, 2021 2:47 PM

" Pass it now and continue working on their dream bill. "

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Which would forever remain...a dream, r108. This has been pointed out several times in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 110October 2, 2021 3:07 PM

R110

True but if democrats don't produce something for Biden to sign into law then people may point out, and rightly so, what is point of them having majority if nothing gets done.

by Anonymousreply 111October 2, 2021 3:15 PM

Make this debacle a nice fat albatross for Manchin and Sinema and primary the hell out of them during the next election.

Go for broke with the 1/6 commission, subpoena the fuck out of the GOP enablers and pin them to the wall about the big lie.

Get rid of the filibuster.

Get rid of the debt ceiling.

by Anonymousreply 112October 2, 2021 3:47 PM

[quote] Scapegoating. Senators have no vote in the House. The Progressive Congressional Caucus members DO vote in the House, and they instead block Nancy and Biden. As AOC once said "I'm da boss how about that"

Again:

From the beginning, the leadership said that the 2 bills would be passed together. House moderates were pushing for a vote on the stupid bipartisan bill. Once the bipartisan bill passes. Conservative Democrats are going to drop the human infrastructure bill. Their corporate donors don’t support the climate change portion, nor the prescription drug portion. The majority of Democrats, Republicans and Independents support the legislation. Manchin and Sinema are working for billionaires and corporations.

AOC is not the leader of the progressive caucus. Pramilla Jayapal is. She has said many times that progressives would not allow the the bipartisan bill to be passed without the human infrastructure bill. Again both pieces of legislation are hugely popular. These are things Americans want and need. Why should we allow billionaires and corporations to derail (via Manchin and Sinema) what the majority of what the nation wants?

Republicans want to use AOC to demonize Biden’s agenda. It won’t work.

by Anonymousreply 113October 2, 2021 3:52 PM

What world do you live in r112. Manchin represents WEST VIRGINIA. You don't want to primary him. It's a miracle he gets elected in that state.

by Anonymousreply 114October 2, 2021 4:23 PM

R114 He's not doing the Dems any good - let him feel the cold wind around his feet.

by Anonymousreply 115October 2, 2021 4:26 PM

How politically ignorant can you be, R115?!? We would not be in any position to negotiate ANYTHING beyond the bricks-and-mortar infrastructure bill without Joe Manchin in the Senate. Why is that such a difficult concept to grasp?!

by Anonymousreply 116October 2, 2021 4:55 PM

R116 He's a prick, get rid of him.

by Anonymousreply 117October 2, 2021 6:12 PM

You really have the grasp of politics, R115, just like all big-time progressives. Always willing to go down with the Titanic as long as they can impose purity test after purity test. Some of you are so damn naive and politically ignorant.

Also, not everything in the Build Back Better agenda is really needed. People who have kids should be responsible for the expenses of having kids. Cut the child tax credit and free community college. Leave the pre-K care in and make the child care portion be just about making sure child care is available in care-deserts, not paying for it completely.

by Anonymousreply 118October 2, 2021 6:13 PM

R118 Go away, Mitch.

by Anonymousreply 119October 2, 2021 6:44 PM

Right-wing Propaganda is the one thing that is behind all of the nation’s ills.

If you can tackle that, there is hope.

by Anonymousreply 120October 2, 2021 6:53 PM

R120 People aren't that stupid, they go along with the propaganda because it's what they want. They are angry and bored, they want to be entertained by other people getting fucked up. Trump got elected because they knew he'd kick in all the windows and shit everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 121October 2, 2021 6:59 PM

Pelosi has set new deadline of 31 October 2021, that gives democrats in House almost one whole month to sort themselves out.

Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

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by Anonymousreply 122October 3, 2021 1:59 AM

That only leaves one month for Biden to bring his poll numbers up

by Anonymousreply 123October 3, 2021 2:02 AM

R122 "This is the Line of Death .... no THIS is the Line of Death ... no THIS ... "

Impotent twerps.

by Anonymousreply 124October 3, 2021 2:03 AM

I actually think MORE time is not going to help this situation. The longer it goes the longer the Dems are going to fight and start taking out important stuff like Dental and Vision and Hearing. The Government needs to stop funding all these trashy kids. They get the child tax credit too. Where is my tax credit for not burdening society with 4 kids by 4 different deadbeat daddies?

by Anonymousreply 125October 3, 2021 2:48 AM

Child tax credit expansion has proven enormously popular even with middle class households.

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by Anonymousreply 126October 3, 2021 2:55 AM

[quote] People who have kids should be responsible for the expenses of having kids. Cut the child tax credit

Amen, R118. Biden’s already giving out $300/month per kid for the hext six months. That’s ridiculous. The guy loves to hand out $$ in some kind of need to ‘take care of people!’ (with taxpayer money.) I’m sick of him and this shit. Don’t mandate me to pay for everyone else’s childcare, dickhead.

by Anonymousreply 127October 3, 2021 3:05 AM

R126 = FREE MONEY is always popular. What is your point? More useless kids create more burdens on society..

by Anonymousreply 128October 3, 2021 3:07 AM

Child tax credit is *not* new, but has been around since about 1997. Democrats merely tweaked and expanded things including sending checks each month to qualifying households directly. This instead of waiting until year end when families filed their taxes and got money back as part of "refund".

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by Anonymousreply 129October 3, 2021 3:13 AM

R126 Of course it’s fucking popular, duh. Who doesn’t like free stuff? Except none of this is really ‘free,’ is it? Someone’s paying for all these “popular” freebies and it’s not the people getting the goodies.

by Anonymousreply 130October 3, 2021 3:21 AM

Middle Class and Poor Parents are too stupid to know they are getting pennies called Tax Credit Refund---while the corporations and rich people get Billions a YEAR..

by Anonymousreply 131October 3, 2021 3:29 AM

I can't wait for the bill to pass so minorities will 𝒇𝒊𝒏𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒚 achieve Tree Equity

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by Anonymousreply 132October 3, 2021 3:37 AM

[quote] start taking out important stuff like Dental and Vision and Hearing

What's in the bill about those?

by Anonymousreply 133October 3, 2021 4:11 AM

No doubt the GOP has a modest proposal to address childcare issues.

by Anonymousreply 134October 3, 2021 4:34 AM

R133 They want to have Medicare cover dental, vision and hearing issues. Yikes, paying for all those old peoples’ hearing aids, glasses and dentures will add trillions MORE to the national debt.

by Anonymousreply 135October 3, 2021 4:57 AM

R135 = Eating and Seeing and Hearing is a basic human right. If Bezos is worth 200 billion and can afford to NOT pay taxes, Seniors deserve teeth...By the way---the DENTISTS oppose medicare dental care because they can charge more without the Government capping prices. The dentists are greedy bastards too...

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by Anonymousreply 136October 3, 2021 5:18 AM

Kyrsten Sinema tears into Biden and and Pelosi and slams the 'deeply disappointing' decision to cancel vote on $1T infrastructure bill

'The failure of the U.S. House to hold a vote on the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act is inexcusable, and deeply disappointing for communities across our country,' Sinema wrote.

'Denying Americans millions of good-paying jobs, safer roads, cleaner water, more reliable electricity, and better broadband only hurts everyday families.'

'Canceling the infrastructure vote further erodes that trust. More importantly, it betrays the trust the American people have placed in their elected leaders and denies our country crucial investments to expand economic opportunities.'

Democratic Representative Josh Gottheimer, a leader of the moderates, said in a statement Friday it was 'deeply regrettable' that Pelosi broke her commitment to hold a vote on the infrastructure bill, claiming 'a small far-left faction' of the House blocked the vote.

by Anonymousreply 137October 3, 2021 5:22 AM

Dental care is quite expensive in USA, and most plans (employer, private or whatever) provide very skimpy coverage. If you can get more than some routine cleaning, annual exams, few fillings etc... covered consider yourself lucky.

OTOH those who need more such as periodontal disease, crowns, implants and other work often find themselves even with insurance paying dearly out of pocket.

My college offered "StuDent" dental plan from NYU school of Dentistry. This is a scheme where in exchange for so called "affordable" care, you let dental students provide much of it. Nearly every one I knew hated the thing. I just went back home to family dentist who billed my parents.

Close friend badly needed periodontal treatments. His employer plan barely offered coverage, so ended up using one of those dental credit plans from GE Credit called "Care Credit". In short one of those schemes where you are charged a set amount and won't pay interest if you pay things off in one year or less.

Dentist gets his or her money upfront, so you're left dealing with Care Credit if things don't go right. Meanwhile lowest APR is around 29%. Kicker is if you don't pay off total amount by due date, entire balance becomes subject to that high APR going back to day one.

Friend ended up moving his budget around to pay off that plan one month early, then closed the account.

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by Anonymousreply 138October 3, 2021 5:28 AM

Pelosi sets HALLOWEEN deadline for House to finally vote on Biden's multitrillion dollar budget package after Friday's humiliating climbdown sparked by progressives holding out

by Anonymousreply 139October 3, 2021 7:49 AM

R136 Ah but a basic tenet of our lovely Objectivist GOP is that those who don't contribute don't deserve anything at all. They are just "takers", and need to be shaken off like so much deadwood to protect those who actually do contribute.

by Anonymousreply 140October 3, 2021 4:59 PM

[quote] Also, not everything in the Build Back Better agenda is really needed. People who have kids should be responsible for the expenses of having kids. Cut the child tax credit and free community college. Leave the pre-K care in and make the child care portion be just about making sure child care is available in care-deserts, not paying for it completely.

Yes, that's just what we (mostly) childless gay people want. To not encourage families to have children who will help finance us in our dotage with their tax dollars.

by Anonymousreply 141October 3, 2021 7:26 PM

That's what immigrants are for, R141. They work harder and can vote Democratic a lot sooner.

by Anonymousreply 142October 3, 2021 8:00 PM

Seems like the Sinema virus could cause a stock market crash.

by Anonymousreply 143October 4, 2021 12:59 AM

The Senate ALREADY passed this bill. 3 days ago — The Senate approved a $1 trillion package to improve and modernize the nation's aging infrastructure through a bipartisan 69-to-30 vote.

It's AOC and company in the House who won't let it go forward UNLESS it's linked to a separate bill.

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by Anonymousreply 144October 4, 2021 4:04 AM

[quote] The Senate ALREADY passed this bill. 3 days ago — The Senate approved a $1 trillion package to improve and modernize the nation's aging infrastructure through a bipartisan 69-to-30 vote. It's AOC and company in the House who won't let it go forward UNLESS it's linked to a separate bill.

The 2 bills = 2 of the main parts of the Presidents agenda. Manchin and Sinema helped Republicans pick out the pieces that would benefit corporations the most and helped pass them in a separate "bipartisan bill" (that no Republican will vote for). However, from the beginning, the leadership said that the 2 bills would be passed together. House moderates were pushing for a vote on the stupid bipartisan bill. Once the bipartisan bill passes. Conservative Democrats are going to drop the human infrastructure bill. Their corporate donors don’t support the climate change portion, nor the prescription drug portion. The majority of Democrats, Republicans and Independents support the legislation. Manchin and Sinema are working for billionaires and corporations.

AOC is not the leader of the progressive caucus. Pramilla Jayapal is. She has said many times that progressives would not allow the the bipartisan bill to be passed without the human infrastructure bill. Again both pieces of legislation are hugely popular. These are things Americans want and need. Why should we allow billionaires and corporations to derail (via Manchin and Sinema) what the majority of what the nation wants?

President Biden thanked progressives for standing up for his agenda.

Republicans want to use AOC to demonize Biden’s agenda. It won’t work. Continuing to invoke AOC's name is just silly transparent Republican bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 145October 4, 2021 4:26 AM

Thanks for the explanation. I still have doubts that anyone else will see it as a realistic proposal.

by Anonymousreply 146October 4, 2021 5:15 AM

Pramila Jayapal Tells CNN Spending Bill Not About ‘Price Tag’: ‘Let’s Get Our Priorities In, and 𝑻𝒉𝒆𝒏 We’ll Figure Out What It Actually Costs’

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by Anonymousreply 147October 4, 2021 5:26 AM

[quote] Thanks for the explanation. I still have doubts that anyone else will see it as a realistic proposal.

Most Americans, regardless of part affiliation support it. Average Americans would actually like for it to e larger. Progressives started at 6 trillion. Now its down to 3 trillion and thats 3 trillion in spenig over 10 yrs, We spend 700 billion a yr on the military, Why do you believe that 3 trillion (which will probably only be 1 trillion) over 10 yrs to do things like give seniors vision an dental insurance is somehow unreasoable.

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by Anonymousreply 148October 4, 2021 5:51 AM

[quote]Pramilla Jayapal is. She has said many times that progressives would not allow the the bipartisan bill to be passed without the human infrastructure bill.

Is she aware that if this thing gets out of hand it could tank Joe Biden's Presidency and bring back Trump in 2024?

by Anonymousreply 149October 4, 2021 9:22 AM

R149 = Nothing will stop Trump (or one of his surrogates) in 2024. The White House is theirs. We Dems had no chance. Nancy and Biden and Shumer have no backbone and will do nothing when the election is stolen. The voter suppression laws will keep Democrats from the polls. And you can believe the REPUBLICANS will expand the Supreme Court in 2024. We are doomed.

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by Anonymousreply 150October 4, 2021 9:33 AM

R150 Yup, we're losing the battle at the state level, and the supreme court isn't about to stop it. The only chance Dems have is to go full-on pedal to the metal while they can. Get rid of the filibuster, let Manchin and Sinema know that the party will make it job 1 to bury them during the next election, even if it means losing the seats. Give the 1/6 commission real teeth - indictments, arrests, etc, of GOP insurrection enablers. The direct insurrections stop getting these wrist-slap deals, unless they can finger someone in the government. Protect abortion access through DOJ lawsuits and if necessary federal aid for crossing state lines. See how the governors of Texas, Florida, and the other idiots out there like it when their federal funding is threatened unless they give up their voter suppression and so on. Hard core vaccination mandates, period.

by Anonymousreply 151October 4, 2021 12:04 PM

[quote] Is she aware that if this thing gets out of hand it could tank Joe Biden's Presidency and bring back Trump in 2024?

Are you aware that Biden thanked progressives for fighting for his agenda. Because not passing his agenda (which is hugely popular) will hurt Democrats. When you have promised transformational legislation that is supported by Democrats, Republicans and Independents. It would be criminally stupid to let Republicans and Manchin and Sinema block that. Politics aside the administration needs to do what is best for the nation and what will help the most Americans. That is their job.

[quote] [R149] = Nothing will stop Trump (or one of his surrogates) in 2024. The White House is theirs. We Dems had no chance. Nancy and Biden and Shumer have no backbone and will do nothing when the election is stolen. The voter suppression laws will keep Democrats from the polls. And you can believe the REPUBLICANS will expand the Supreme Court in 2024. We are doomed.

Mary! It sounds like you're the one who has no backbone and no brain. Go take a chill pill.

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by Anonymousreply 152October 4, 2021 1:57 PM

[quote] even if it means losing the seats.

What does that accomplish?

by Anonymousreply 153October 4, 2021 6:46 PM

Figuring out the cost as you go along = every failed business.

by Anonymousreply 154October 4, 2021 6:51 PM

[quote] Isn’t it time for Nancy to go? Who is her successor? Does she even care?

[quote] This is what happens when geriatrics are in charge.

[quote] I am a Democrat and I honestly don’t think they know what they are doing. It seems like they are just making it up as they go along with no leadership. Nancy is 81.

[quote] I don’t think elderly Nancy is so great - she has been trying for 3 months a d failed. Time for applesauce and napping

[quote] Seems like the Sinema virus could cause a stock market crash.

[quote] Thanks for the explanation. I still have doubts that anyone else will see it as a realistic proposal.

[quote] Figuring out the cost as you go along = every failed business.

Fucking Troll!

by Anonymousreply 155October 4, 2021 7:57 PM

R141

Irony of it all is the nasty bitter old incel gays who post on DL will be in most need of other peoples children to provide some sort of care in their old age.

Family (children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, etc....) provide large part of elder care in United States, nearly all of it unpaid. This can be anything from full to partial assistance with activities of daily life, to taking seniors to medical appointments, overseeing healthcare and other decisions.

When there is no one to provide that assistance seniors either must fend for themselves, make other arrangements, and or at mercy of local social service agencies. Good luck with that..

by Anonymousreply 156October 4, 2021 9:55 PM

Seems like you can’t handle the truth.

by Anonymousreply 157October 5, 2021 2:05 AM

71% of Americans say they WON'T support Biden's $3.5T reconciliation package if it increases their taxes, new poll finds

One fifth said those aspects would make them more supportive.

The number includes just over half of Democrats who said that increases in taxes or the national debt would make them less likely to back the measures.

The plans are currently on hold as Biden prepares to hit the road to sell his proposals to expand health benefits and free education, while the House has paused progress on his infrastructure bill.

Another recent poll, commissioned by allies of the president, found that a majority of voters across 13 states supported the plans.

The numbers give a sense of the challenges facing Biden as he attempts to sell his legislative agenda to the American people.

His 'Build Back Better' plan is struggling to make its way through Congress as centrists push back against tax increases and demand a more modest proposal.

Meanwhile, progressives are refusing to vote through a smaller $1.2 trillion overhaul of the country's crumbling infrastructure until they can be certain Biden will get his bigger plan approved.

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by Anonymousreply 158October 5, 2021 2:43 AM

More free stuff!

by Anonymousreply 159October 5, 2021 2:50 AM

Cmon troll with that Trafalgar bullshit r158. Anyone with common sense can see how they biased the question, the bill only increases taxes on the rich. Most Americans will be fine. But Trafalgar knows if they asked that it wouldn't get the result they wanted.

by Anonymousreply 160October 5, 2021 2:51 AM

the bill only increases taxes on the rich.

And you can keep your doctor too

by Anonymousreply 161October 5, 2021 2:56 AM

She's such a loser.

by Anonymousreply 162October 5, 2021 3:03 AM

[quote] 71% of Americans say they WON'T support Biden's $3.5T reconciliation package if it increases their taxes, new poll finds

Majority of Americans favor wealth tax on very rich: Reuters/Ipsos poll

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by Anonymousreply 163October 5, 2021 3:05 AM
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by Anonymousreply 165October 5, 2021 3:09 AM

BREAKING NEWS ALERT = 100 PERCENT of BILLIONAIRES oppose Tax Hikes. Just ask any of their lobbyists carrying around suitcases of case in DC....

by Anonymousreply 166October 5, 2021 3:09 AM

^^^ CASH.....Not Case....AC Whoopsie...

by Anonymousreply 167October 5, 2021 3:10 AM
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by Anonymousreply 169October 5, 2021 3:12 AM

*Update*

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by Anonymousreply 170October 12, 2021 11:35 PM

Pelosi angry the media isn't propagandizing enough.

Pelosi Complains Reporters Aren’t Promoting Her $3.5 Trillion Spending Bill Enough:

‘You Could All Do a Better Job’ Selling it

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by Anonymousreply 171October 12, 2021 11:39 PM

ANOTHER blow for the Democrats before 2022 midterms as Kentucky Rep. John Yarmuth, announces his retirement

The only Democrat representing Kentucky, House Budget Committee Chairman John Yarmuth, said Tuesday he would not be seeking reelection next year

by Anonymousreply 172October 12, 2021 11:59 PM

Democrats are fucked.

by Anonymousreply 173October 13, 2021 2:04 AM

There is quite a lot of good in both infrastructure bills. But there is also a fuck ton of everything on socialist, progressive democrat wish lists circulating since 2008, that was last time Pelosi "we have to pass the bill to see what's in it", got a similar spending bill passed into law.

One would think democrats being in the majority leadership would say "fuck it" and swing for the bleachers. But recent memories are still fresh; last time democrats did a huge spending bill under Obama GOP used it as a club to beat them over head with every chance they got, including following mid-term elections.

There is a huge disconnect in this country between persons voting for things that are truly in their best interests, versus stubbornly digging in their heels over niggles regarding this or that other issue.

You'd think those in poorest red states would be thrilled with some of things democrats are offering such as expansion of Medicare, child tax credit, etc....

by Anonymousreply 174October 13, 2021 2:13 AM

Niggles?

by Anonymousreply 175October 13, 2021 2:17 AM

niggle verb

nig·​gle | ˈni-gəl How to pronounce niggle (audio) niggled; niggling ˈni-​g(ə-​)liŋ

Definition of niggle (Entry 1 of 2) intransitive verb

1 a: TRIFLE b: to spend too much effort on minor details

2: to find fault constantly in a petty way : CARP she haggles, she niggles, she wears out our patience — Virginia Woolf

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by Anonymousreply 176October 13, 2021 3:11 AM

Just because it's in Webster's doesn't mean it's not a racist word, R176.

Try saying that in a college classroom and see how long you last.

by Anonymousreply 177October 13, 2021 3:27 AM

No one else aside from perpetually offended Americans are bothered by use of word "niggle".

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by Anonymousreply 178October 13, 2021 3:34 AM

Elsewhere in English speaking world word "niggle" is used without causing harm or offense.

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by Anonymousreply 179October 13, 2021 3:36 AM

[quote] niggle verb

Sorry but we don't have time to teach verb stuff. There are barely enough hours in the day to teach white guilt and community action.

by Anonymousreply 180October 13, 2021 3:42 AM

We can save some money by not paying Mayor Pete a paycheck since he doesn't seem to go to work. What a lazy slob...

by Anonymousreply 181October 13, 2021 3:51 AM

Isn't he out on paternity/family leave?

by Anonymousreply 182October 13, 2021 3:53 AM

R172

Pelosi recently sat down a number of democrats in House who were contemplating retirement/not running again in 2022. According to media reports she did manage to extract promises from a good number they wouldn't thus culling number of open seats democrats would have to defend in mid-term elections.

That being said it is clear like Rep. John Yarmuth, some democrats in House simply have had enough.

Being in the House is really one perpetual job of working phones, donors and so forth because of election cycle. Every two years House members face an election which may or may not send them back to Washington, D.C.

Rise of AOC and others like her have badly undermined many "old school" democrat's plans. Once secure in what they presumed were safe seats, such House members are finding themselves primary challenges and losing again to likes of AOC types.

by Anonymousreply 183October 13, 2021 4:02 AM

John Yarmuth retiring is the absolute worst sign yet of how bad Democrats think next year's elections are going to be. When you are the chairman of a House committee, you DON'T fucking retire unless you're sure you aren't going to be chairman after the next election. Call me Boris, Ling Ling, Debbie Downer or whatever, but unless things change drastically and soon, 2022 is going to be a repeat of the 2010 bloodbath. And then God help us if another liberal on the Court dies or retires.

by Anonymousreply 184October 13, 2021 11:38 AM

[quote] And then God help us if another liberal on the Court dies or retires.

Thomas is 73, Breyer is 83, Alito is 71, and Sotomayor is 67 with health issues.

Jon Stewart Explains Why Donald Trump Has ‘Very Good Chance’ Of Winning In 2024

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by Anonymousreply 185October 13, 2021 5:41 PM

[quote] Sotomayor is 67 with health issues

First I head this Link?

by Anonymousreply 186October 13, 2021 6:34 PM

R186

Google is your friend!

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by Anonymousreply 187October 14, 2021 1:54 AM

More recently

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by Anonymousreply 188October 14, 2021 1:55 AM

Oh no

by Anonymousreply 189October 14, 2021 2:17 AM

And so…..are we going to tell Sotomayor to just die now instead? Geesh.

by Anonymousreply 190October 14, 2021 11:38 AM

The DUMS should be working on outing Kavanaugh. I remember Nancy stating they can walk and chew gum at the same time. I just don’t see it yet.

by Anonymousreply 191October 14, 2021 11:39 AM

𝐂𝐍𝐍: 𝐌𝐚𝐣𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐨𝐟 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐁𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧’𝐬 $𝟑.𝟓 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐚𝐥 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐨𝐨 𝐦𝐮𝐜𝐡

A majority of independents oppose President Joe Biden’s $3.5 trillion spending proposal, according to a CNN survey, while most Democrats want a plan that would spend an even greater figure.

Thirty-two percent of independents oppose the bill entirely, according to the network’s poll released Wednesday, while 32 percent would prefer a smaller bill, and another 36 percent prefer something larger.

The number contrasted sharply with support expressed by Democrats, of whom 75 percent said they wanted to see a bill that spent more.

Fifty-five percent of Republicans said they wanted to see Congress reject Biden’s proposal in its entirety, along with 29 percent of Americans overall. Thirty percent of Americans said they preferred a cheaper version.

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by Anonymousreply 192October 14, 2021 8:47 PM

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) has reportedly laid down red lines for the Democrats’ multi-trillion reconciliation bill, this time making demands regarding the expanded child tax credit provision.

Axios reported on Sunday, citing people familiar with the matter, that Manchin informed the White House that the child tax credit must have an "established work" requirement and a family income limit in the $60,000 range if Democrats want his vote for the package.

Those demands, Axios noted, would significantly weaken the child tax credit, which is one of President Biden’s key programs to assist working families. It would also bring down the price tag of the spending bill, which Manchin and fellow moderate Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) have both said is too high.

Progressives, however, are unlikely to get on board with the scaled-back version of the child tax credit, according to Axios.

Manchin has previously called for work requirements for the child tax credit, in addition to “means testing” to place a cap on the income of people who can receive benefits under the program.

He told reporters late last month “I want work requirements for everything. Means testing and work requirements.”

by Anonymousreply 193October 18, 2021 7:40 AM

So sad.

by Anonymousreply 194October 18, 2021 1:46 PM

[quote] He told reporters late last month “I want work requirements for everything. Means testing and work requirements.”

It seems reasonable that we should give assistance to people actually in need and that we incentivize working.

by Anonymousreply 195October 18, 2021 2:09 PM

Two longtime Democratic congressmen announced Monday they will not seek re-election next year, putting the pressure on Speaker Nancy Pelosi to keep control of the House in her party's hands.

Pennsylvania Rep. Mike Doyle and North Carolina Congressman David Price will retire.

The two men each have more than 20 years experience on Capitol Hill.

Doyle and Price make a total 12 Democrats not seeking re-election to the House next year, a sign of the party's fading hopes they will remain the majority party after the 2022 midterm election.

by Anonymousreply 196October 18, 2021 8:57 PM

Democrats face grim Midterms

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by Anonymousreply 197October 19, 2021 2:55 AM

That's the case no mater what.

by Anonymousreply 198October 19, 2021 5:38 PM

Team Pelosi tries to soften the blow, tacitly admitting Manchin is right.

House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) acknowledged Friday that he harbored doubts about the price tag attached to spending proposals from congressional Democrats.

“I don’t think that anyone ever thought that after doing the rescue plan of over a trillion dollars, that we would come back with a $6 trillion program,” Clyburn said in an interview MSNBC’s Craig Melvin, observing that there would be “no way to pay” for a $6 trillion proposal. “And you may recall, I questioned as to whether or not $3.5 trillion could be paid for,” he added. “In fact, I said at the time that I thought that somewhere between $1.5 and $3.5, we’ll be able to find a sweet spot. And that — it seems to be what’s taken place now. We are close to finding the sweet spot. It will be between those two numbers.”

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by Anonymousreply 199October 23, 2021 9:08 PM
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