Official Emmys Thread II

Does anyone care about these award shows anymore? I use to be all up on my celebrity gossip and fashion a few years ago but wow the last couple they all seem so vapid & I’ve lost total interest

You must, r1, if you're posting on this thread.

Netflix tops HBO:

Not to be superficial, but damn, Jean Smart has a body-ody-ody.

Her speech made me cry.

I hope work, awards, and perhaps some young dick are comforting her in this difficult time.

I'm thrilled Coleman won over that horrible nothing who played Diana. That actress was awful! People loved her because she played Diana.

Olivia Colman really deserved her Emmy. She was really memorable as the Queen. She perfectly captured the middle-aged queen's comfort in her role, her strong sense of responsibility to the Commonwealth, and her confusion and frustration over her children's and her sister's unhappinesses.

I need Josh O'Connor to be my husband.

That is all.

I'm I the only one seeing Josh O'Connor queen out up on stage? I won't be surprised if one day he comes out.

It was shitty of Ewan McGregor not to thank Halston in his acceptance speech. He wouldn't even have that Emmy if it weren't for Halston and he completely ignored him. Didn't Renee forget to thank Judy Garland after she won the Golden Globe?

I thought he did, r9?

Tobias Menzies finally winning and Jean Smart's win were the best of the night!

The biggest surprise was that anyone watched.

[quote] It was shitty of Ewan McGregor not to thank Halston in his acceptance speech.

Do you really imagine the dead for some reason linger on Earth in order to watch awards shows?

Anyone want to guess how bad the ratings are going to be for this?

Anyways, Colman totally deserved the Emmy (although it looked like she was wearing a Starfleet uniform tonight!). Her performance as the Queen during season three wasn't as strong and I don't she really got a handle on Elizabeth until the last handful of episodes and then absolutely nailed the part in season four.

They are starting the "Emmy so white" shit again. Funny thing is I agreed with the winners this year, there was nobody I was pissed that I felt like they didn't deserve it.

The nominees were as diverse as can be. Exactly which undeserving white people cheated a deserving person of color out of an award?

I'm sorry, but Uzo Aduba, MJ Rodriguez and Jurnee Smollett were not better actresses in a drama than Oscar winner Olivia Colman.

Gillian Anderson was a lock for The Crown. Samira Wiley was nominated in that category but already had a win for that role.

Bridgerton is the usual Shonda Rimes pulp that never wins awards, and Lovecraft Country was poorly reviewed and canceled. Black Lady Sketch Show lost to SNL, but it's young, and SNL is a juggernaut that has a much larger reach.

So Anthony Anderson and Tracee Ellis Ross got their gazillionth nominations but didn't win. Call up Julia Duffy, Steve Carell, Angela Lansbury or Amy Poehler and commiserate. I'm not sure how anyone could stack up their performances and say they were better than Sudeikis or Jean Smart.

R8 Like Tobias Menzies, Josh O'Connor is not gay just British.

Celebrities flaunting their masklessness

Seth Rogen: why are we in such a small room without masks and no ventilation during a pandemic

Seth Rogen won me over with his comments about the tent but then lost me again when he said the wrong last name for the actress who won for Ted Lasso.

I can't help it, I really like Seth Rogen. Met him back during Freaks & Geeks, when it filmed at my place of employment. All of them were pleasant & polite, but he was REALLY cool & friendly.

Olivia Colman's interpretation of the Queen was nothing more than Olivia Colman putting on a stupid accent.

Exactly r16. All the moaners who think black people should have won are never able to say which black actors they mean. They're basically saying black people should be given awards solely because they're black, not because they gave the best performance.

#EmmysSoWhite

Oh, do fuck off R22! Fucking TURD.

How did that Gambit thing pull that off at the last moment?

I have R22 on block. I wonder if it's the same person in the Ted Lasso thread who objects to black actors in Ted Lasso and Vigil?

What channel is Apple + anyways?

Great answer r24, except you can't say which black actors should win. Go on, say which black actor deserved to win last night but didn't.

I don't object to black actors in anything r26, I just think that if they are going to win acting awards it should be because they are the best actor in their category.

Does anyone think Sterling K. Brown, Billy Porter, Jonathan Majors or Rege-Jean Page should have won Best Actor in a Drama over Josh O'Connor?

Brown and Porter already won Emmys for those roles on shows that are/were in terminal decline. This Is Us stopped being awards-show material years ago, and Hollywood (like DL) is done offering praise to Ryan Murphy.

Majors (Lovecraft Country) had no chance; the show was canceled months ago.

Everybody thinks Rege-Jean Page is hot, but best drama actor of the year? He might have had a shot if he hadn't quit Bridgerton after the first season, endangering the show (and Netflix's profits) and pissing everybody off.

I will add that Jonathan Majors is very talented.

The Last Black Man in San Francisco is a very good film and you should all watch it.

But Best Actor in a Drama this year, no.

the hashtags like #oscarsowhite or #emmysowhite are double edged sword, they brought the awareness to the issue but if they use it every time there is an absence of black winners, it could cast the doubt on future black winners, they win simply because they are black!

R16 WTF are you talking about?

Lovecraft Country was highly reviewed.

88% on RT, 7.1 on IMDB, 90% on Google.

I was robbed………..of any talent that I might have had about twenty years ago. Thank God I can still shock them with my gender confusion and cross dressing antics!!!

Variety and the New York Times called it exploitative torture porn, R32. The Times' critic is a black woman. Those are the reviews I remember.

And it was canceled well before voting closed. The wind was not exactly at its back.

[quote] the hashtags like #oscarsowhite or #emmysowhite are double edged sword, they brought the awareness to the issue but if they use it every time there is an absence of black winners, it could cast the doubt on future black winners, they win simply because they are black!

“Cast doubt”, my ass. Once you win, you win.

[quote] Go on, say which black actor deserved to win last night but didn't.

Michaela Coel.

No one took the trolls bait on the main thread so it made a new one to try and racebait

Uh, Michaela Coel did win an Emmy, for writing a limited series. Over the people who wrote Queen's Gambit, Mare of Easttown and three episodes of WandaVision.

She was not going to win Best Actress/limited series against Kate Winslet, nor should she have.

(BTW, watch her earlier project Chewing Gum - it is wonderful.)

Do you really think that Michaela Cole deserved to win the lead actress/limited series category over Kate Winslet, r36?

The hashtag protests are less about who should have won and more about why there aren't opportunities for more to win.

Black-ish and This Is Us get nominated every year just so the Emmys aren't completely dominated by streaming and HBO but only serve to highlight the gap in quality between the two

I am glad Michaela Coel won for writing, and it may be a record accomplishment.

I don't think any other show that's gotten three nominations for writing in the same year has lost, like WandaVision did. Usually that's a pretty good sign Emmy voters are in the tank for that show.

(Just trivia: I remember there was at least one year when one show got every nomination for writing in its category: SCTV. And I think Hill Street Blues either matched that or came close.)

Did anyone else find it strange that women being treated like shit was the woke issue of the night? I thought for sure the whole night was going to be oppressed blacks/systemic racism.

I’m sorry but I think Kate Winslet is kind of overrated.

That may be the case, but does that mean Michaela Cole gave a better performance than her in the shows they were nominated for, r43?

I had a friend who posted that Billy Porter and Mj Rodriguez were robbed.

I'm like, are you drunk??

Pretty sure he was. He also said the Emmy diversity was performance. Well, yes, it probably is - why do you suppose that is?

R40, at the risk of being called a right-wing troll, I'd suggest that part of the reason black actors have less opportunity to win awards is because they are even more typecast today in roles and shows that are invariably about the evils of racism in some way. If black people were cast in good roles where their being black in a racist world wasn't the most important aspect of their character then they would be able to express a greater range and play more interesting characters with a wider appeal. Sorry if anyone finds any of that offensive, but playing a character whose most important feature is that they are black can be limiting.

Viola Davis was brilliant as Annalise Keating, for which she won an Emmy. Keating is a complex, nuanced character who plumbs the depths of so many different emotions and Davis was able to show her wide range of acting skill. These are the kinds of roles that black actors should demand, as well as roles where skin colour doesn't matter at all.

The Emmys tried to be diverse with its nominations.

Interestingly, when they showed the British group in London (I assume), EVERYONE in that room was white.

I don't subscribe to Amazon+, Hulu, HBO, Discovery+, among others.

Thus, I enjoyed the Emmy show while having zero knowledge of the majority of nominated entries!

Because they were the cast of The Crown, r47, not the cast of I May Destroy You.

R49, Wait until Archie grows up! There will be a series about the rivalry between him and Louis! Diversity!

[wuote] Do you really think that Michaela Cole deserved to win the lead actress/limited series category over Kate Winslet, [R36]?

Absofuckinglutely.

Mare of Easttown was an airport novel.

[quote] Netflix tops HBO:

Pics please. TIA

[quote] It was shitty of Ewan McGregor not to thank Halston in his acceptance speech.

Happens to the best of us.

Just saw and read that Michael K Williams was a huge favorite for best supporting actor and it was a huge upset that he didn't win.

I'm like, what show was he in? Oh. Lovecraft Country. I totally forgot he was in that. Was he in that a lot? I do not remember really. Not a sign that it was a great performance or that he was a huge favorite.

He also valued his performance, profession and colleagues so much that he OD'd and died two weeks before the ceremony, R54.

[quote] [R16] WTF are you talking about? Lovecraft Country was highly reviewed. 88% on RT, 7.1 on IMDB, 90% on Google.

Pretty sure those are just based on the reviews for the first episode or two not the entire season— that’s how the RT/MC tv scores work. Lovecraft Country fell off the cliff around episode three. That show was a mess.

r21=Gleen Close

#EmmysSoBritish as much as #EmmysSoWhite.

(or in the case of Sudeikis, British-adjacent).

The only talent required of actor in Bridgerton is to be able to memorize lines and repeat them with something approximating the tone of real conversation. It's not even melodrama. It's just spun sugar.

[quote]Mare of Easttown was an airport novel.

Then you're comparing the series not the performance of the actresses, r51 and should be delighted that Michaela Cole won the Emmy for best writing.

I think it's hard to argue that Michaela Cole's acting performance was better than that of Kate Winslet.

I head poor Glennie had a meltdown about Olivia Colman's win.

This is starting to become like the Daytime Emmys from years ago. After every ceremony all the press or anyone else could talk about was how Susan Lucci didn't win again. It was disrespectful to the actors who won. It's getting annoying. Diversity isn't just giving black creatives awards, there are other minority groups who also get overlooked and who continue to get overlooked. And sometimes the nomination is the win. The recognition is half the battle.

[quote] Black-ish and This Is Us get nominated every year just so the Emmys aren't completely dominated by streaming and HBO but only serve to highlight the gap in quality between the two

Both shows are decent, but overrated as fuck. On This is Us, Sterling K. Brown is the best actor on the show, but his character is so sanctimonious and insufferable. The rest of the cast is average at best especially Chris Sullivan.

Black-ish's last few seasons are just blah. If that Brown-ish spinoff by Eva Longoria ever gets made, it will probably suck.

Josh O'Connor is "obsessed" with Dan Levy. He's the person Josh wanted to see at the Emmy's.

Watch it and weep GURLS.

Michaela Cole is a woman? I just assumed he was playing a man in a dress.

After watching TV nonstop during COVID, I'm going to actively try to reduce my watching significantly. All these shows come and go and are just ways to pass the time. We're all wasting so much time being passive observers.

My very un-PC mom watches award shows with me. Her #1 comment of late is "Now, is that an actual woman, or...?" She said that numerous times last night.

Why do people keep posting they remember Debbie Allen from 'The Cosby Show'?! Debbie's sister Phylicia Rashad played Cosby's wife on the series. I don't recall Debbie being a regular on the series.

Did Debbie direct a few episodes? Was she a guest star? Was that actually a mistake, when during the tribute, it was mentioned Debbie's association with The Cosby Show'?

From her TV appearances, Debbie is well known from her role on the 'Fame' TV series.

[quote] My very un-PC mom watches award shows with me. Her #1 comment of late is "Now, is that an actual woman, or...?" She said that numerous times last night.

I hope you explained to her the truth about Olivia Colman.

Debbie is guilty and complicit in things her sister did as well. They were the Black Mary Kate and Ashley.

[quote]Debbie is guilty and complicit in things her sister did as well. They were the Black Mary Kate and Ashley.

??? Your response has nothing to do with my question why Debbie was associated with 'The Cosby Show'.

I recently saw Debbie play a heroin addict on 'Good Times'.

Do they want awards or do they want work? Because tremendous awareness has been raised on the issue and is translating into actual jobs for working actors. If they want a fix for prizes, what does that say about the work? As someone said upthread, I can't quibble with any of the winners this year - all jobs well done.

[quote] ??? Your response has nothing to do with my question why Debbie was associated with 'The Cosby Show'.

Unclench, Blanche.

No one here is at your beck and call.

I'll repeat this here:

7 out of 12 winners are British (and white). And that's not even counting Gillian Anderson who now lives in the UK.

Ridiculous. It's like BAFTA 2.0.

Because almost 40 years later, old people confuse the two sisters R71

[quote]7 out of 12 winners are British (and white).

Well, three of them were for "The Crown," which was pretty well regarded as the best show on TV this year with by far the best actors. And there were no black members of the BRF until Meghan, so that's hardly surprising.

R77 Great, explain the other 4.

Isn’t Michaela Cole British? If there was a British conspiracy for fixing the Emmys, wouldn’t she have won?

She did win, R79, for writing "I May Destroy You."

It's shocking that Kate won over Anya Taylor Joy in The Queen's Gambit. Anya gave the best TV performance of the past decade.

I thought we were discussing acting Emmys?

Will that director of "The Queen's Gambit" now automatically not be nominated for anything he directs because of his arrogant and interminable acceptance speech last night? He's the new Greer Garson as far as long speeches though I daresay back then they just let her go on and on, and she probably wasn't rude. But very likely had a sense of entitlement like this guy with other people's time. I saw he went up with what looked like single-spaced copy on two sheets on long paper going up there. Holy crap!

Why was everyone reading?

R75 you may have noticed entertainment, like everything else, has gone global. No one forced the hiring of actors from the UK or anywhere else on earth. Y

Omg. None of the black actors or white actors were nominated simply for race. Everyone nominated was nominated for their work and nothing more.

The race obsession needs to stop.

Anyone with a brain knows The Crown is sweeping. Everyone knew Ted Lasso was the front runner. Not because the casts are white, but because they were very well written/directed/acted shows. The others were also but there is no coming close.

Black-ish hasn’t been great lately but I do feel it should have won years ago. I forgot which season, but it felt fresh and fun and was genuinely funny.

However

It's amazing none of you seem to care that Josh O'Connor is obsessed with Dan Levy

AGAIN, Gillian Anderson is not British simply because she lives there.

R87 because who cares? His obsession is not sexual. It’s ok to be fascinated by someone and it NOT be sexual.

Gillian looked beautiful.

[quote] It's shocking that Kate won over Anya Taylor Joy in The Queen's Gambit. Anya gave the best TV performance of the past decade.

I think you're the only one who is shocked. Kate Winslet is one of the finest actors of her generation.

Kate Winslet is the next Meryl, certainly in terms of longevity but possibly an equal in talent. And definitely in terms of eye rolling Glenn Close, who will not retire or die without a Best Actress Oscar.

[quote]I think it's hard to argue that Michaela Cole's acting performance was better than that of Kate Winslet.

Voters may also felt that Michaela was essentially playing herself, since it was often characterized by media as semi-autobiographical. Kate was playing someone very far removed from her own persona.

All over social media I see people upset Kate won over Anya, Michaela and Liz.

Surprisingly the cry out over Liz Olsen isn’t as big as I thought it would be. It’s louder for the other two.

Ewan winning took everyone by surprise.

R88 No one said she was

Kate was touted as a contender within the first few episodes of Mare being released, she was an unstoppable force of nature with the role and it would have been criminal for her not to be awarded for one of the most complex and devastating performance of the year.

Of course Kate should have won. She was BRILLIANT in Mare. Her speech was a bit much, but her talent is incredible. She deserved it.

The fool loudmouths on twitter don't represent the actual voters.

The fool loudmouths on twitter don't represent actual anybody, in any critical mass sense.

From the last thread:

[quote]I don't understand why there hasn't been an outpouring of rage against the Emmys because almost all of the nominees are on pay cable and so many poor people don't have access to the shows.

Netflix, Apple TV+, Disney+, etc. are not "pay cable." Netflix tied CBS (in 1974) for the all time record of 44 Emmy wins.

This writer with THR says there has been a "changing of the guard" and that the broadcast networks are now essentially "airing their own funeral" when they broadcast the Emmys:

Award shows haven't been fun since the 90s really.

"CBS, as part of the traditional CBS/NBC/ABC/Fox rotation, had the privilege of broadcasting an Emmys telecast during which the Big Four broadcast networks collectively won just one award (best variety sketch series for NBC’s Saturday Night Live)"

That should be streaming's next target... a weekly streamer that is consistently funny.

I agree with that at r101…the broadcast networks barely get any nominations, so why should they keep airing the Emmys? Once This is Us and black-ish and Allison Janney’s show are gone, what else on the broadcast networks would be nominated?

Network TV shows are horrible.

Terrible writing & sophomoric plots catered to the mass, dragged on for 22 episodes a season to milk money from ads.

It's not that hard for streaming to do better.

Well here we go... the fraus are on it.

[quote]This writer with THR says there has been a "changing of the guard" and that the broadcast networks are now essentially "airing their own funeral" when they broadcast the Emmys.

Is he posting from 2015?

[quote]Once This is Us and black-ish and Allison Janney’s show are gone

"Allison Janney's show" (aka "Mom") is already gone. "This Is Us" will end after next season.

[quote]This is starting to become like the Daytime Emmys from years ago. After every ceremony all the press or anyone else could talk about was how Susan Lucci didn't win again. It was disrespectful to the actors who won. It's getting annoying.

I agree, R62, that it's disrespectful but no more so than when people of color win just to have racists scream they only got it due to "woke-ism" or "white guilt." There is plenty of disrespect to go around from both sides in these discussions, which is why I think everybody needs to stop and think before they post some of the nonsense they say with regard to these awards.

Network is mostly cop show formula, badly done.

Paulson looked a bit piqued to give that award to Kate Winslet. (Her rival - in her mind.)

While the viewership is still low, the Emmys rebounded from last year's all time low.

Emmy Viewership Rises Double Digits Over 2020’s All-Time Low To Hit 7.4 Million

I loved the show. It was great seeing an in-person event. My only disappointments were the complete losses to the cast of THE HANDMAID'S TALE and HACKS beating out TED LASSO in writing (though, that was a justified win).

[quote]I think it's hard to argue that Michaela Cole's acting performance was better than that of Kate Winslet.

Coel’s performance was more lived in and less gimmicky.

Winslet’s performances always lack humility. She’s afraid to appear morally flawed or shamed when the moment calls for it. When her boss reamed her out for her lies and corruption her main note was “I can’t believe that YOU are not letting ME get my way.” She’s also not good at playing hard-bitten or weary in a way that’s not stoic and bitchfaced. Ammonite was particularly awful in this regard.

[quote]It was disrespectful to the actors who won. It's getting annoying.

I would agree if the Emmys didn’t celebrate mediocrity even more than the Globes or the Oscars. C’mon, Olivia Colman wasn’t even the best performer in her category from her show..

Not to mention their hard-on for the woeful Downton Abbey.

And their worship of movie stars that earned Ellen Burstyn a nomination for a 30-second performance.

Mediocrity, r114?

[quote] Did Annie [Murphy] gain 30 pounds?!

Might she be with child?

MJ Rodriguez was terrific, but she is just not as sophisticated or as subtle an actress as Olivia Colman.

Billy Porter was just doing the same histrionic shtick he always does on Pose, and he's already won two Emmys for it; there won't be another chance for Josh O'Connor to be up as prince Charles, and he very much humanized and deepened the public's idea of a very complex public figure whom most people don't understand.

I am most sorry that Michael K. Williams didn't win, because it's an absolute outrage he never won for "The Wire," and this was his last chance to win an Emmy. But no one knew that when the votes were cast (he died after they were all in), and as fine as he was in the show he did not get the material he deserved for it--it was in the end a poorly written show. And Menzies is really superb in that big scene he was with OConnor after Lord Mountbatten's death. Not knowing this was Williams' last chance at an Emmy, I would have voted for Menzies too.

Annie Murphy has been refreshingly honest about getting depressed during COVID and having to go on SSRI's. I am guessing she gained weight because of that? She's one of the most down to earth, lovely people you will meet.

She has work lined up, so I don't know whether she would be pregnant right now, but who knows?

She was married but this is the guy she's been with for awhile now...

[Quote] Not to mention their hard-on for the woeful Downton Abbey.

DA didn't actually WIN many Emmys. They were nominated many times though.

Debbie Allen directed some of A Different World, which was Cosby Show Spin off

She directed Cosby also.

The broadcast is on Paramount+ if anyone wants to watch

I can’t believe that overrated bitch Olivia won for that shit performance in The Crown! What were they thinking?

R122 = Glenn having a mental breakdown

Has Jada approved the winners yet?

Jada was there at the ceremony and one of the four who presented to Debbie Allen.

NOTE TO AWARD WINNERS: NEVER READ YOUR SPEECH FROM A PAPER!!!!

First it's pathetic when an actor who is trained to act can't read a speech with flair. I'm amazed how they often stumble along as they read. Second, the audience likes to think of winners to be absolutely surprised they won--this is why so many winner do the stunned look thing. All of that illusion goes to crap when you pull out a speech.

Memorize your speech! You can make it sound spontaneous (like Debbie Allen did so well) or so obviously rehearsed (like Kate Winslet's) but at least you're not distracting everyone with your notes. AND YES, KEEP IT SHORT UNLESS YOU"VE WON A MAJOR ACTING CATEGORY AND YOU"RE ALREADY A STAR. No one cared when the director of Queen's Gambit needed to thank everyone he's ever spoken to in the world. We want to see established stars emote with joy and surprise when they win, no one else.

Also, Kathryn Hahn and Michael K Williams were robbed.

R126 ummmm no. They’re not acting. They’re thanking as themselves. Not putting on a show.

I’m gonna get shit for this, but I liked last nights broadcast. I thought it was the most entertaining and best paced Emmy’s we have had in years.

R87 I just don't care about Dan Levy. He's a one trick unicorn.

Most observers seem to feel it's a matter of time before the networks stop producing comedies and dramas specifically for traditional broadcast TV, which will become a collection of low-budget reality TV show and game shows plus reruns of series that run on the networks streaming service.

Wait a minute, what Dan Levy do? I must have missed a thread. Why does DL hate him?

He has the temerity to be gay and not stereotypically masculine, R132.

😊😊😊😊

Has Dan been captured staring lasciviously at Josh's mammoth bulge?

I think broadcast television will still be around a long while, just less scripted series and more reality tv.

Some shows still do well in ratings, like This Is Us, which brings in millions of viewers still.

The reason streaming and cable does better with awards is because they can tell their stories without as many censors (or none at all). A show like Game of Thrones can show it all. Imagine if it was made on CBS.

That’s why network tv doesn’t get the attention a show on HBO does.

One of the big networks is going to have to bite the bullet and do an experimental season of premium cable/streaming type shows to try and get eyeballs back to the Networks. I know the FCC has certain requirements for network broadcasts, but there are ways to work around that. You don't always have to show tits or say fuck to put on something edgy and different. You just need to take some changes and not micromanage.

It's going to fall to NBC. CBS has their old people audience. ABC seems to have given up and is just doing game shows now.

I was very happy for Gillian winning another Emmy (I think her first was for lead actress for "The X-Files"). Of course, this means we'll likely never see her as Scully ever again.

I don’t think she wants to play Scully again.

We are lucky we saw her this last time.

I rewatched the series premiere to The X Files recently, and it was ahead of its time.

[quote]It's going to fall to NBC. CBS has their old people audience. ABC seems to have given up and is just doing game shows now.

What are we, chopped liver?

Do we think the percentage of DLers who recognized Lil Dicky in the opening sequence was a one or two digit number?

I'm thinking one-digit.

[quote]Do we think the percentage of DLers who recognized Lil Dicky in the opening sequence was a one or two digit number? I'm thinking one-digit.

Going by the largely ignored "Dave" thread, that sounds right.

Gillian really has had a long and varied career. X-Files, House of Mirth, Hannibal, The Fall, The Crown, and another hit with the #1 show currently on Netflix, Sex Education, where she’s also excellent.

Network TV does fine. People act like no one watches it anymore and that’s a lie.

Does it bring in what it used to 50 years ago? Of course not, back then it’s all you had. Now there are so many options. But it’s not like TVs highest rated show is getting 1 million viewers. Hell, at its peak This Is Us was averaging 20 million a week.

She was the villain in that stupid Mila Kunis/Kate McKinnon movie from a few years ago. I wonder why she took that awful script.

Maybe just for the paycheck.

[quote]Of course Kate should have won. She was BRILLIANT in Mare.

Unless you've had formal acting experience, like myself, then please don't speak on this matter. I can think of a dozen actresses off the top of my head who could have done as good a job as Kate, but there is no one but Anya who could have pulled off that performance. She was beyond brilliant, intelligent and charismatic.

Now you’re a trained actor? 😂😂😂

Olivia Colman deserved that win.

R148 my ass. Emma did.

Loved Cedric!

[Quote] R148 my smelly blubbery fat ass. Emma did.

Fixed it for you, r149.

Anya Joy Taylor, Michaela Coel, Betty Gilpin, and Benedict Cumberbatch should all be in a movie together where they play wall-eyed aliens.

I wonder if The White Lotus will be remembered and recognized by the time next year’s Emmys roll around. Surely Jennifer Coolidge will still get a nomination. I guess we have almost a year of shows to come out that could make WL forgotten.

Anya was robbed.

Why was Josh in the states while the rest of the cast in London? Is he filming something here?

Also, does anyone else feel Billy Porter was robbed?

Josh was in the States to come sit on my face!

Josh is so adorable.

I liked the show, too, R129.

I have to write a quarterly self review of my job performance at work. Now if I could only channel my inner Debbie Allen…

I'm surprised that Jim Parsons didn't get a nomination for The Boys in the Band. He's always been an Emmy favorite.

Olivia is a one trick pony who excels at playing uppercrust, sexually repressed British women in hackeyed melodramas. She wins a couple of awards, and then the novelty fades off and she goes back into D list status.

Glenn is an icon with a number of performance that are greatly varied in their skill and in their range. A much beloved actress who's work will be examined and appreciated decades on.

R161 G, don't you have a MAGA rally to go to with your friend JD Vance?

Why didn't Annie Potts or the girl who plays Missy in "Young Sheldon" get nominations? They're the best part of that series.

Josh was in the states for me.

Young Sheldon didn’t get Emmy nods period.

[quote] The nominees were as diverse as can be. Exactly which undeserving white people cheated a deserving person of color out of an award?

They were not. Latinos are a bigger demography and are nowhere to be found. According to this year's nominations you'd think America is 60% white and 39% black and 1% other.

CAN WE STOP GOING ON AND ON ABOUT RACE???

R163 it would have been awesome to have Jean and Annie both at the ceremony.

[quote] Gillian really has had a long and varied career. X-Files, House of Mirth, Hannibal, The Fall, The Crown, and another hit with the #1 show currently on Netflix, Sex Education, where she’s also excellent.

And, she's only 55. She likely has at least two more decades worth of work ahead of her.

[quote] Olivia is a one trick pony who excels at playing uppercrust, sexually repressed British women in hackeyed melodramas.

That's entirely wrong from beginning to end. You are talking out of your ass.

She became famous in the UK first for playing middle-class women on the Mitchell & Webb comedy shows (especially "Peep Show"), and she got a reputation for doing comedy. Then she became a national icon when she surprised everyone at her ability to do drama when she played a police inspector--again, a middle-class working woman with a regional accent--on "Broadchurch."

I love Vanessa Lachey’s gown. She and Nick looked old-fashioned glamorous. I don’t know much about her, but she comes off like a nicer and more beautiful version of Chrissy Teigen.

[quote] Unless you've had formal acting experience, like myself, then please don't speak on this matter.

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[quote] Network is mostly cop show formula, badly done.

I'll admit I used to love network cop procedural shows years ago. I also think most of those shows are badly done and the acting is average at best.

A lot of shows are badly done, on streaming and cable also.

R174 I agree. There are some cable and streaming shows that are badly done. There are some cable shows that start off great, but turn to crap a few seasons later like Dexter.

LOL @ Glenn Close as beloved. Glenn Close that in class who raised her hand to answer every question.

[quote] [R77] Great, explain the other 4.

British actors are usually classically trained as opposed to the swath of mediocrity coming out of drama club and community theater in America.

I cannot for the life of me remember what Vanessa Lachey was in, other than an ep of "30 Rock" where she was really funny.

I've never cared for Jean Smart in anything other than Designing Women. She was sublime and incredibly likable as Charlene, but when she's playing a normal person, she comes across as dull and aloof. Frankly, I don't find her likable, except as Charlene. Just watching her acceptance speech last night confirmed those feelings I have about her. I think she's probably difficult to work with.

R179 you’ve completely missed out on the Jeanaissance!

Michael K Williams should have won and it had nothing to do with race.

The best any of Tobias Menzies' stans in this thread can come up with was that he had one great scene this season. He didn't deserve to win for one damn scene (which, while very good, was not THAT good).

Yeah, Menzies’ win is a joke. Williams genuinely gave a wonderful performance.

R179 Jean Smart has practically become a DL patron saint. If you don’t like her, then get out!

Dixie Carter would have been had she lived.

[quote] it would have been awesome to have Jean and Annie both at the ceremony.

And then both of them could be infected with the Delta variant.

r179 People who are "difficult to work with" don't get cast in as many different roles as Jean Smart does.

[quote] People who are "difficult to work with" don't get cast in as many different roles as Jean Smart does.

Oh?

Tobias Menzies in great in multiple scenes in the latest season of "The Crown": not just the drunken scene after Lord Mountbatten's death, but his scene when he's being kind and encouraging to Princess Anne (in that same episode, months later) when she's returning to competing in equestrian events and she's scared of returning; when he's going out early shooting with Lady Diana Spencer at Balmoral and shows how taken Prince Philip is with her attractiveness and her hunting know-how; when he's teasing the Queen about Diana's dancing for Charles's birthday; and most of all, in the superbly ambiguous scene in the last episode when he confronts Diana in her bedroom at Sandringham over her duty to the Queen which he wants Diana to put ahead of her misery over her unhappy marriage, and you can't tell if he's sincerely trying to help her or covertly threatening her (and Diana can't tell, either).

He genuinely deserved his Emmy last night.

[QUOTE]I wonder if The White Lotus will be remembered and recognized by the time next year’s Emmys roll around. Surely Jennifer Coolidge will still get a nomination. I guess we have almost a year of shows to come out that could make WL forgotten.

I guess I'm the only one on DL who didn't like that performance. I was annoyed by that character.

R179 agreed. Jean has done prolific work in 40 years. Her IMDb acting credits if you wrote them out are longer than my leg and I’m 5 11 . She’s a well liked industry vet which was proven last night by the standing o. I’ve never seen the lead comedy actress winner get one.

Jean Smart was a scream in “High Society” with Mary McDonnell. The show didn’t get its fair shake in the 90s.

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Jean Smart also had a terrific arc years ago on "Frasier" as one of his girlfriends.

Brett Goldstein is gay, and Hannah Waddingham gives off lesbian vibes.

Smart should have won the Emmy years ago for her superb season as the mentally unbalanced First Lady on "24."

I liked Jean best in Designing Women, but she was also great in 24. Is she more likable in Hacks or Mare of Eastown?

She's great in "Mare," but she could do that part in her sleep. She's stretched more by "Hacks"--it's the more interesting role.

Jean has 4 Emmys

[quoteJean Smart also had a terrific arc years ago on "Frasier" as one of his girlfriends.

And she was great in a villainous role on Fargo.

She won two Emmys for Frasier

Josh O will "come out" in 20 years.

He’s already out to me R201

I am heart broken over Josh’s comments about Levy, I’d almost be ok with them if it was the father he was interested in, but not that warm, wet turd Dan.

Variety does Ms. Smart.

His comments about Levy? You mean the one where he was being kind and funny and it had nothing to do with sexuality? Yet 60 year old gay men take it and try sexualizing it.

It's clear to me that people are tired of bleak TV. Schitt's Creek and Ted Lasso winning is proof of that.

The lack of awareness coming from these creators is bizarre. Did anyone with a brain thought that given the rise of the right, Trump and then a pandemic, people would watch and congratulate a story about rape? It takes a whole level of privilege to be this unaware. I'm not surprised that Micaela is this clueless, just watch her interviews.

I am myself guilty of enjoying this type of content, but now I think it's just disturbing. No one watched her show or voted for it. Why would they?

People called Lovecraft Country and Them torture porn, but I May Destroy You is way more torture porn than the former two and I'd rather watch Them any time. I actually thought that show had a better message, though not perfect.

I couldn't care less about the royals, as I'm not a 70 year old queen -- pun intended, but the performances in the few episodes I saw are worth the watch and deserving of awards.

My guess is that we'll have a bunch of new shows with a much more positive and light attitude in the next couple of years. Too bad some of these celebrities are too self absorbed in their privileged activism to get a clue.

I don't know what's funnier, if it's the PR cleaner insisting on Josh's heterosexuality or the delusional queen upthread who thinks all actors memorize lines easily, they probably never been to a set in their lives if he thinks that.

On a side note also to the delusional queen upthread, R126, these awards are meant to celebrate peers. It's not meant for your enjoyment. This is your annual company's party, with famous people. Boring, narcissistic and self congratulatory, like any other industry award.

Josh is very British. Quit enforcing your disgusting American stereotypes on everyone else.

Ummmmmm people watched I May Destroy You. And it got many nominations, meaning the voters did watch it r206.

No one cares if ratface is straight or not. We're mocking the need to justify his actions by validating your own stereotype, annoying Brit, maybe it's time you gain some very needed self awareness...

I'm also Latino so I'm acquainted with men showing affection to one another, get a clue. Travel more. There are hundreds of cultures where affection between men is the norm, you didn't create that, though I sense you'd probably claim that as your own as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if you are the idiot Brit claiming football/soccer as "our sport" being stolen by the rest of the world.

[quote] The emmys did not deign to do for michaela coel what they did for phoebe waller bridge and i just think we should think about that

Maybe because Waller Bridge was praised for writing a comedy about annoying people and not a show about a rape. Are people this clueless?

"I May Annoy You," more like.

I got through one episode of the Michaela Coel show. Found it boring. People are acting like she's the second coming.

Can't get over how these SJW on twitter think they should dictate how people vote for the Emmys. It's not a presidential election. If voters preferred one actor over another or one show over another - that's the way it goes.

Josh O is a closet case not because of Levy, IMO. He's clearly gay because when he hit the stage, gestured and opened his mouth, Paloma Faith's purse fell out.

I watched I May Destroy You at least 2x. I needed closed-captioning in order to understand the dialogue and it was choppy and kind of hard to follow, although that may have just been me. It was . . . different.

The 3rd season of Dead Like Me better sweep at the Emmys next year. It's far better than Ted Lasso and Schitt's Creek, and Christina and Claudia have been overlooked for too long.

Why no awards for "What We Do in the Shadows" it's the funniest show on TV?

^ I can’t remember when Dead to Me (not Dead LIKE Me) last aired. Was it not eligible this time? I could have sworn I saw Christina Applegate in the audience, but I guess not.

[quote]Why no awards for "What We Do in the Shadows" it's the funniest show on TV?

It wasn't eligible for this year's awards. (And I agree with you about it being the funniest show on TV.)

Considering there can be 8 nominations in the supporting categories I’d expect White Lotus to get plenty - Armond, the cunty daughter, Belinda, Jennifer Coolidge, Molly Shannon and maybe even Alexander Daddyo.

I just finished watching the show and I have some thoughts:

1. Evan Peters looks like some washed up porn bottom

2. Scott Frank, the director of The Queen’s Gambit, is a boorish man

3. It says a lot about who Kate Winslet is that she didn’t need a piece of paper to remind her of people’s names and what they contributed; she was obviously a very hands on producer which was part of her achievement.

4. WandaVision got exactly what it deserved

5. Nobody mentioned Peter Morgan’s grim face when his ex, Gillian Anderson, won for The Crown - ha!

6. Taraji P. Henson is doing Annie Live?! I had to check IMBd, apparently it’s on the 2nd of December - at least they’ve given us fair warning!

7. ATJ didn’t deserve to win for TQG. The director referred to her having to deal with addiction but that was the problem with TQG - it didn’t deal with addiction or the effects of drink and drugs, it was a fantasy. Fair enough she has to learn the chess moves but the role mostly required her to “model” her way through it. It was more modelling than acting. She seems nice though, much warmer than how she comes across on screen.

[quote] I got through one episode of the Michaela Coel show. Found it boring. People are acting like she's the second coming.

No, that was Fleabag, aka MIRANDA with sex and a hipster.

[quote] Taraji P. Henson is doing Annie Live?! I had to check IMBd, apparently it’s on the 2nd of December

She'll make a magnificent Tessie.

Emmy Telecast Producer Denounces "Queen's Gambit" Creator Scott Frank Over XXL Acceptance Speech: "It's Just Incredibly Disrespectful":

It wasn’t even that good a show.

R225 I'm glad that guy is getting called out.

Are Emmy Voters Picking Fewer Winning Shows Than They Used to?

Maybe they’re giving it to who they liked the most. It’s simple.

I want to eat Josh O,'Connor's ass

R171 they are a nice looking couple