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Let’s be Yentl

I’m the literal violence.

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by Anonymousreply 178September 19, 2021 7:35 PM

Please just don't say: I'm the all white cast.

by Anonymousreply 1September 11, 2021 8:48 PM

Let's not be yentl.

by Anonymousreply 2September 11, 2021 9:02 PM

Mandy Patinkin was gorgeous!

Ms. Streisand was happy to have MP as a co-star, but she never would let him sing.

On another note Yentl does show a slice of life from earl 1900's Poland for middle and bit above class Jewish families. Despite pogroms and other violence along with discrimination eastern and western Jews in Europe did manage.

Lwów pogrom (1918) and other horrors leading up to and through years of WWI and WWII shattered that world, and things would largely never be same in many areas of Europe for Jews.

Yentl dodges a bullet by going off to America. Avigdor, Hadass, and their families along with friends likely met horrible fates.

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by Anonymousreply 3September 11, 2021 9:46 PM

Mandy P never did look so good again as he did as Avigdor. I used to freeze frame his nude scene on my VCR years ago, I admit it. You can sort of see his balls as he sits down. He had a nice ass and a very nice hairy chest. The beard and the hairstyle (wig?) really suited him back then. He was great in "Evita", though not really sexy. Without facial hair, his looks don't stand out.

by Anonymousreply 4September 11, 2021 9:49 PM

[quote]Let’s be Yentl

Hard Passover.

by Anonymousreply 5September 11, 2021 9:54 PM

When Yentil finally comes clean to Avigdor it's like a trans telling a guy things aren't what they appear to be....

Avigdor's reaction is somewhat similar along those lines; disgust, anger, bewilderment... But at least finally comes acceptance of situation, and there isn't any violence. When Avigdor says "I thought there was something wrong with me..." one of the group that saw film with was rather slow on the uptake.

At least we got to see Mandy Patinkin nude, well almost.

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by Anonymousreply 6September 11, 2021 10:02 PM

MP always had sort of Jew-Fro going on when he was younger. Hair in Yentl could be real or a wig. It's hard to tell.

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by Anonymousreply 7September 11, 2021 10:06 PM

Yentl, Sunday In The Park With George (Broadway and television), Ragtime, The Princess Bride, The Knife (Broadway),1980's were good for Mandy Patinkin..

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by Anonymousreply 8September 11, 2021 10:13 PM

I'm the stunning AND the bravery.

by Anonymousreply 9September 11, 2021 11:02 PM

I'm Babs, travelling to the safety of the New World and leaving all my friends behind to perish when the Nazis turn up.

by Anonymousreply 10September 12, 2021 12:07 AM

Mandy Patinkin was cute in Yentl and on stage, but he's a first class psycho pain in the ass. Not just annoying, but certifiably nuts.

by Anonymousreply 11September 12, 2021 12:24 AM

Avigdor, wait!

by Anonymousreply 12September 12, 2021 12:25 AM

I'm the wig with short hair all feathered back that was supposed to make Yentl look like a boy, but instead made her look more like...well, a girl with short hair all feathered back.

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by Anonymousreply 13September 12, 2021 12:32 AM

I'm the wig she cuts instead of her own hair.

by Anonymousreply 14September 12, 2021 12:44 AM

Who's that lady

by Anonymousreply 15September 12, 2021 12:48 AM

I’m the bedsheets hung up for inspection (after the wedding night.)

by Anonymousreply 16September 12, 2021 1:26 AM

I'm the candle.

by Anonymousreply 17September 12, 2021 1:35 AM

I'm a 12 year-old me being dragged by my mother to the theater to see this on Christmas day. I can still hear my dad say to her as we left the house , "you're corrupting that boy".

by Anonymousreply 18September 12, 2021 1:37 AM

We are the cookies that impress guests because nobody can guess how Hadass bakes us all the same size. We have a secret.

by Anonymousreply 19September 12, 2021 1:44 AM

I’m the Jewish cocks attached to Mandy lookalikes that R18 sucked in college.

by Anonymousreply 20September 12, 2021 1:45 AM

LOL, yes, my first boyfriend in college was Jewish and that's been my "type" ever since.

by Anonymousreply 21September 12, 2021 2:01 AM

Whatever dreck this piece of trash summoned, and however many milion$$ it cost, it was ALL worth every cent, for Michael Musto's immortal, one-word review in the Village Voice: "MENTL"

by Anonymousreply 22September 12, 2021 2:35 AM

I'm Avigdor's relieved, bemused smile when he gingerly pulls Anschel's pants down to cornhole him- only to discover 2 holes/no waiting.

by Anonymousreply 23September 12, 2021 2:40 AM

I am the only Oscar statuette that was awarded, for the gorgeous Original Song Score by Michel Legrand and Marilyn and Alan Bergman, which was by far the best part of the movie.

by Anonymousreply 24September 12, 2021 3:13 AM

Oh, Barbra's singing was pretty wonderful, too! I also think she did the scene where she finally told Avigdor she loved him very well.

by Anonymousreply 25September 12, 2021 3:34 AM

One of the guys on my floor in dorms played soundtrack to Yentl to death.

if I never hear "Papa Can See You, Papa I Can Feel You, Papa Watch Me Fly" again it will be too soon.

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by Anonymousreply 26September 12, 2021 4:45 AM

Ship carrying Yentl was not sailing directly to New York as many assume.

You see in closing moments of final scene that the ship has a Star of David on bow. Such steamer ships did short range trips for Jews from Pale of Settlement (Pale in Poland is where Yentl lived, and action takes place IIIRC), to either Cherbourg, France or Southampton, England. Once upon arrival at those ports Jews either could apply for a visa to remain in said countries, or arrange to continue traveling to North America or elsewhere.

If Pale is the "old country" for one or both sides of your family, and they came to America before WWI or maybe after, chances are they took same route as Yentl.

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by Anonymousreply 27September 12, 2021 4:57 AM

Babs wasn't the only woman in drag when Yentl was filmed. An uncredited actress can be seen in a deleted scene where all male yeshiva students are riding in a horse drawn cart.

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by Anonymousreply 28September 12, 2021 5:03 AM

Another deleted scene shows Yentl and the local matchmaker.

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by Anonymousreply 29September 12, 2021 5:05 AM

I'm the popular tie-in T-shirt

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by Anonymousreply 30September 12, 2021 6:09 AM

I´m all the schmucks who do not get how a "Let´s be" thread works.

You are a shanda for the neighbourhood.

by Anonymousreply 31September 12, 2021 10:16 AM

I’m the parody MAD magazine did with Mentl, Avigdorable, and Hadassah.

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by Anonymousreply 32September 12, 2021 1:56 PM

[quote] Pale in Poland is where Yentl lived,

Polish jews were 50% of the 6 million holocaust victims. Avigdor can't catch a break.

by Anonymousreply 33September 12, 2021 3:51 PM

I’m the suspension of disbelief required to accept a 40-year old Streisand as a twentysomething young woman. It was bad enough that Yentl in the novel was a teenage girl.

by Anonymousreply 34September 12, 2021 5:00 PM

I found Streisand MORE believable as the "boy" of Yentl than the rock singer in A Star is Born.

by Anonymousreply 35September 12, 2021 5:02 PM

Before Yentl the movie there was a play on Broadway...

Isaac Bashevis Singer who wrote short story "Yentl the Yeshiva Boy", was less than thrilled with Barbara Streisand's film treatment. To say he blew is top might be putting it mildly.

Leaving aside Yentl was supposed to be a teenaged girl; (Ms. Streisand split that difference by making the character 26 in film), Mr. Singer's larger objections came about fact film was nearly all about Barbara Streisand, and less about Yentl.

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by Anonymousreply 36September 13, 2021 3:49 AM

He didn't like how Barbra's Yentl sang but that was the only way she could get studio funding for the film.

by Anonymousreply 37September 13, 2021 4:15 AM

[quote] Please just don't say: I'm the all white cast.

Oh, I wouldn't dream of it.

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by Anonymousreply 38September 13, 2021 4:19 AM

Isaac Bashevis Singer was an old curmudgeony idiot. You sell your short story/play and don't accept that it will be changed for the movie? The press gave this guy and big platform for his complaints in 1983, unlike the hundreds of other writer who were not satisfied with the movie version of their work.

by Anonymousreply 39September 13, 2021 12:01 PM

Remember when Anne Rice went very public with her disgust on the casting of Tom Cruise as LeStat? Then she reversed course and lavished very public praise on the (horrible) film. I wish there were a recording of the phone call between Anne and Warner Brothers that made her change her tune. I can just imagine all the "career-ending" threats and the promises of lawsuits!

by Anonymousreply 40September 13, 2021 3:34 PM

I bet the Cult of Scientology threatened to rough her up, too.

by Anonymousreply 41September 13, 2021 4:25 PM

Singer sold Streisand the rights to his story knowing she planned to adapt it into a musical. A big Hollywood Streisand musical. What did he expect? I recall a critic saying Singer didn't take the money and run: he took the money and stuck around to kvetch.

by Anonymousreply 42September 13, 2021 4:53 PM

R42, if Streisand had made a small serious drama out of Yentl, Singer would have been bitching on why she DIDN'T make it into a big Hollywood musical.

by Anonymousreply 43September 13, 2021 5:46 PM

Maybe she no to his cameo because she thought it would draw too much focus

by Anonymousreply 44September 13, 2021 10:03 PM

I´m the photo spread in candy magazine from the 90ies .

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by Anonymousreply 45September 14, 2021 10:04 AM

I'm the gorgeous cinematography and art direction.

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by Anonymousreply 46September 14, 2021 10:16 AM

I'm fucking still here Barbra.

by Anonymousreply 47September 14, 2021 10:22 AM

Oh all right R131, I can go along with a gag...

I'm the chicken that's being studied, and the question is whether to roast or not roast.

by Anonymousreply 48September 14, 2021 11:03 AM

It's alright, it happens.... all the time.....

by Anonymousreply 49September 14, 2021 11:05 AM

For those who never read the book....

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by Anonymousreply 50September 14, 2021 11:16 AM

I'm the disbelief.

I have to be suspended every time Barbra appears in a scene and everyone is convinced she's a man.

by Anonymousreply 51September 14, 2021 11:27 AM

I'm the patriarchy.

by Anonymousreply 52September 14, 2021 11:28 AM

I'm the other passengers on the ship arriving in New York harbour, every one of whom, by a remarkable coincidence, is standing stock-still and silent at this emotional moment in their lives . . .

Except for Yentl as she bawls her lungs out.

by Anonymousreply 53September 14, 2021 11:36 AM

I'm the Yeshiva where everyone else looks like a notably stereotypically skinny, unattractive, shtetl Jew whose muscles are all located between his eyebrows and his hairline Yeshiva bucha (sp.?) except Avigdor, who, oddly, looks a well-built, hairy, sexually mature 35.

by Anonymousreply 54September 14, 2021 11:52 AM

I'm the utter illogic of Hadass not telling her mother within days, rather than weeks or months, that she has yet to be deflowered by her new husband.

Even nice Jewish girls in Poland in the late 19th century weren't that innocent. Especially as they all knew that their first duty as wives was to bear children.

by Anonymousreply 55September 14, 2021 11:56 AM

I’m the reputation of the movie. I would be considered a minor cinematic gem, if not for Barbra’s insistence on singing, which has relegated it as a Streisand folly and testament to her ego.

by Anonymousreply 56September 14, 2021 11:59 AM

I'm the Lower East Side of Manhattan, where Yentl is undoubtedly headed when she stops singing and gets off the boat, and in her staggering naivete, thinks every shul and yeshiva will open its arms to a female student.

Because, Yentleh, things really aren't "different" here. Not for decades where you're concerned, and by the time they are, you'll be dead.

by Anonymousreply 57September 14, 2021 12:02 PM

I´m Garbo.

“My God, I've never seen such a picture!” she commented enthusiastically. “That's the most talented woman that I've ever known or ever heard about.”

by Anonymousreply 58September 14, 2021 12:12 PM

I'm Yentl's great grandchild who hears the family stories about her bubbie in drag and goes on to become Dr. Renee Richards.

by Anonymousreply 59September 14, 2021 12:20 PM


They were still awed by the sight of a lady in an orange outfit and funny fur hat, leaving the harbour on A tugboat. Geshraying to them about rain and parades.

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by Anonymousreply 60September 14, 2021 12:47 PM

I'm the NY Ziegfeld audiences, show after show who burst into applause at the final sung note and never left their seats until the dedication to Barbra's father appears.

by Anonymousreply 61September 14, 2021 12:51 PM

I wanted to be “Avigdor, wait!”

by Anonymousreply 62September 14, 2021 12:54 PM

Gorgeous young John Shea played "Avigdor" in Yentl on Broadway.

I'd have paid good money to see that show.

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by Anonymousreply 63September 14, 2021 1:16 PM

I'm the Papa who can't hear her because I'm dead.

by Anonymousreply 64September 14, 2021 1:36 PM

I am the beautiful color brown seen in this movie.

by Anonymousreply 65September 14, 2021 1:45 PM

I am the liquid foundation that all young Jewish boys apparently wear.

by Anonymousreply 66September 14, 2021 2:20 PM

I'm the wads of cotton wool that Poppa has crammed in his ears to block out Bab's impassioned plea....

by Anonymousreply 67September 14, 2021 2:27 PM

I'm Barbra's right side of the face which she shows for the first time in cinema history.

by Anonymousreply 68September 14, 2021 2:28 PM

I'm the sacred books.....you know, for men.

by Anonymousreply 69September 14, 2021 4:36 PM

I'm the story books.....you know, for women.

by Anonymousreply 70September 14, 2021 4:37 PM

I'm the place where it's written.

by Anonymousreply 71September 14, 2021 4:37 PM

I'm a herring. Not a carp!

by Anonymousreply 72September 14, 2021 4:38 PM

I'm the story books that people pretend are sacred books.....you know, for men.

by Anonymousreply 73September 14, 2021 4:44 PM

I'm the back of a ship where Barbra does "Don't Rain on My Parade" only it's called something else this time.

by Anonymousreply 74September 14, 2021 4:45 PM

R60 LOL. I wondered when someone would notice that. Babs and Boat Arias - a can't miss combo!

by Anonymousreply 75September 14, 2021 5:02 PM

Saw her do this at Madison Ssquare Garden and I have t admit it was a bit thrilling.

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by Anonymousreply 76September 14, 2021 5:03 PM

R76 That suit is hijus. It looks like something Diana would jave6worn in the 90s, but much better.

I KNOW I remember Diana somewhere in a pink and white checked suit . . . Only she could have carried it off with that matching hat.

But I digress . . .

I'm sure the songs were better in concert, divorced from the absurdity of their original cinematic settings.

by Anonymousreply 77September 14, 2021 5:24 PM

I´m eldergay heaven.

The 41st Golden Globes featuring Babs,Cher,Shirl McLaine,Paul Newman and Ann Magret collecting awards.

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by Anonymousreply 78September 14, 2021 6:28 PM

[quote]Babs and Boat Arias - a can't miss combo!

Not always a boat...any form of transportation will do!

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by Anonymousreply 79September 14, 2021 8:16 PM

I'm the secret prophetic Kabbalah codes hidden deeply within the Talmud. If Yentl had been allowed another thirty or forty years to study she would have found within me "Avigdor is a putz".

by Anonymousreply 80September 14, 2021 8:48 PM

I’m the mirrors, which are covered, so we can’t see the pain on our faces from the ripped clothes and sitting on crates.

by Anonymousreply 81September 14, 2021 10:38 PM


Beg to differ; if there is a "putz" in film Yentl, it was the person her/his self, not Avigdor.

Having spent better part of over 100 minutes lusting over Avigdor, Yentl never sees him for what he was; a Jewish man not that much different than others she knew.

Yentl "comes out" to Avigdor at first believing that being and freeing herself, she and the object of her love (and lust), will live happily ever after. *WRONG*

After Avigdor gets over his initial shock, horror and quite frankly bit of disgust he realizes his love (and also perhaps lust) for Yentl. For a while he thought to himself " there must be something wrong with me.." hinting at a homosexual attraction.

Soon as Avigdor announces he is no longer in love with Hadass, but Yentl and starts making plans (I'll do the thinking for both of us...), Yentl starts having second thoughts.

Yentl thought she was going to get her man *and* together they would have some sort of marriage of equals. That is a husband not like other Jewish men of her sect who among other things allow Yentl to study Talmud by his side, and also not confine her to traditional Jewish female roles. Good luck with that....

by Anonymousreply 82September 15, 2021 6:23 AM

[quote] Isaac Bashevis Singer was an old curmudgeony idiot.

That Nobel Prize-winning moron!

by Anonymousreply 83September 15, 2021 6:35 AM

Yentl the play or musical is still performed often enough in USA. But since Babs owns the rights, one assumes everything has to get by her, and she gets a bit of "something" for her trouble.

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by Anonymousreply 84September 15, 2021 6:46 AM

[quote]Yentl the play or musical is still performed often enough in USA. But since Babs owns the rights, one assumes everything has to get by her, and she gets a bit of "something" for her trouble.

She might still own the movie rights, some expire, she probably never had the stage rights.

by Anonymousreply 85September 15, 2021 8:57 AM

Wasn't there talk of doing the musical version on Broadway? I guess Barbra thought if other movie musicals can be done that way why not hers if money can be made. Of course she would never think of starring in it since she hated the nightly grind of theatre.

by Anonymousreply 86September 15, 2021 12:14 PM

I´m Nehemiah Persoff (age 102) and as i told Barbra at her AFI-Tribute.

"You´re like a real daughter to me: You never write,you never call."

by Anonymousreply 87September 15, 2021 12:43 PM

I'm the way he makes me feel.

by Anonymousreply 88September 15, 2021 1:24 PM

I’m surprised that Lea Michelle isn’t begging Barbra to fund a stage production staring her.

by Anonymousreply 89September 15, 2021 1:59 PM


Yentl as a musical on Broadway has been talked about for over twenty or thirty years, it's just not going to happen for many reasons.

First and foremost the book is just too weak for supporting a musical. We've seen what happens in film version when one actor dominates all musical numbers as well as plot. As a one woman show, yes that might work. But to pay a cast of actors union rates to basically stand around while the star (Yentl) sings every number, doesn't seem like a winner.

If Barbara Streisand does have stage rights, give you three guesses who she'd wish to play "Yentl..."

by Anonymousreply 90September 15, 2021 2:55 PM

Ms. Streisand wanted to do "Yentl" just after film "Funny Girl". Things kept falling apart and or various obstacles popped up. Jon Peters (Ms. Streisand's then partner) kept at her to take various lucative concert gigs (Las Vegas, London, UK, etc....), but Babs would have none of it.

Wonder if Yentl would have been a better film had those twenty or more years hadn't passed. Barbara Streisand would have been of course 20 years younger, so playing a 17 or even 20 something year old girl/boy wouldn't have been such a stretch.

by Anonymousreply 91September 15, 2021 3:04 PM

Hadn’t Barbra Streisand been trying to get this filmed since the seventies? Had she made it then, I could have believed her as a younger woman. But as a 41 year old woman passing for someone in their twenties, she was far from believable.

by Anonymousreply 92September 15, 2021 3:17 PM

Yes there was an interview with Barbra about wanting to do Yentl after Funny Girl - maybe it was in her interview with Geraldo Rivera - where she told of her agents negative response to the idea. Too Jewish films in a row - oh no!

by Anonymousreply 93September 15, 2021 3:30 PM

She writes in Just for the record… how she wanted to continue from FG to Yentl as R91 wrote

by Anonymousreply 94September 15, 2021 3:55 PM

[quote] But as a 41 year old woman passing for someone in their twenties, she was far from believable.

I don't see what the problem is.

by Anonymousreply 95September 15, 2021 4:01 PM

[quote]But as a 41 year old woman passing for someone in their twenties, she was far from believable.

How about a woman in her 50s passing as a young army nurse?

Cough south cough pacific cough Glenn

by Anonymousreply 96September 15, 2021 4:14 PM

I'm Amy Irving excited to be the first female to have a screen kiss with Barbra Streisand.

by Anonymousreply 97September 15, 2021 4:33 PM

The talk about how things would go bad for everyone made me think of Fiddler on the Roof. I read somewhere Rags was supposed to how life would have been for people like Tevye who migrated to the new world - not being the great life they had hoped it would be. Then I was thinking the oldest daughter went to Poland, and if they did not continue on the America like they were hoping to do, they most likely would not survive through the next generation. The second daughter who ended up in Siberia would have a good chance of not surviving the civil war. The third daughter who married the Christian would maybe be in dangers of being on the czarist side later - although I suppose her husband could have eventually become a revolutionary later, but he seemed like a more traditional czarist.

by Anonymousreply 98September 15, 2021 4:39 PM

I´m the Oscar snub.

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by Anonymousreply 99September 15, 2021 6:31 PM

I'm the cheap ring Amy got from Babs to give up her rights to appear on the soundtrack album.

by Anonymousreply 100September 15, 2021 7:58 PM

It sounds like the stage Yentl is based on the book, not the movie. Even the songs are different.

by Anonymousreply 101September 15, 2021 8:16 PM

I'm Barbra crying sexism after Robert Redford won the Oscar for directing Ordinary People and Warren Beatty won for directing Reds.

by Anonymousreply 102September 15, 2021 10:19 PM

I'm Jon Peters shown the gate by Barbra after Polygram Pictures of which he was co-president passed on funding the film.

by Anonymousreply 103September 15, 2021 10:34 PM

I am the songs, i am sung only by Barbara.

by Anonymousreply 104September 15, 2021 10:36 PM

[quote]I'm Barbra crying sexism after Robert Redford won the Oscar for directing Ordinary People and Warren Beatty won for directing Reds.

Actually she didn't but could have. She directed three movies that earned 14 Academy Award nominations including a Best Picture but she wasn't even nominated. How the Academy can nominated a film Best Picture without the director, or a director nominated without a Best Picture never makes sense.

by Anonymousreply 105September 15, 2021 11:05 PM

[quote]How the Academy can nominated a film Best Picture without the director, or a director nominated without a Best Picture never makes sense.

It happens all the time. Sometimes the parts are greater than the whole, or vice versa. If Director and Picture had to automatically go hand-in-hand, then the Academy would eliminate the Director category and instead include him/her as one of the Best Picture nominees, but they don't.

While I don't doubt that sexism was involved, I personally find Streisand's directing efforts to be quite pedestrian. Compare Prince of Tides with Ordinary People, both family dramas. Both films could have easily been Lifetime Originals, but Redford elevated the material into a damn fine film, while Prince of Tides was often times trite and overblown. I'm surprised it was even nominated.

OTOH, if a female celebrity had directed utter dreck like Raised By Wolves instead of Kevin Costner, I highly doubt it would have won the awards it did. So yes, I also agree that sexism has hurt Streisand's Oscar count. If male actors can win for directing crap, why shouldn't she as well?

by Anonymousreply 106September 15, 2021 11:49 PM

I meant Dances With Wolves, not Raised By Wolves

by Anonymousreply 107September 15, 2021 11:54 PM

I've never seen this clip. Barbra talks of the motif of crossing water as a motif.

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by Anonymousreply 108September 16, 2021 6:00 AM

I'm Marilyn Bergman giving the finger to the Academy for snubbing Barbra when accepting my Oscar for Best Original Song Score.

by Anonymousreply 109September 16, 2021 1:23 PM

Let’s eat lentils, it’s more fun!

by Anonymousreply 110September 16, 2021 1:26 PM

[quote]Hadn’t Barbra Streisand been trying to get this filmed since the seventies? Had she made it then, I could have believed her as a younger woman.

I'm all the many '60s teased falls Barbra would have worn as the young Jewish boy from an earlier time. And the lacquered fingernails and Egyptian eyeliner.

by Anonymousreply 111September 16, 2021 1:56 PM

I'm Alan and Marilyn Bergman glancing at our well-worn rhyming dictionary that Steve told us about.

We're looking to see if we can squeeze one more rhyme into an already over-rhymed line of lyrics.

by Anonymousreply 112September 16, 2021 1:59 PM

I'm the cut song The Moon and I.

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by Anonymousreply 113September 16, 2021 4:30 PM

Has Lee Daniels announced the remake yet?

by Anonymousreply 114September 16, 2021 4:35 PM

I'm Donna Summer, who sang "Papa, Can You Hear Me" at the 1984 Oscars. Barbra specifically chose me to perform it, and I delivered the goods.

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by Anonymousreply 115September 16, 2021 5:29 PM

I'm Barbra at the 1984 Oscars, refusing to sing "Papa Can You Fucking Hear Me?" because I'm sulking over not getting nominated.

by Anonymousreply 116September 16, 2021 5:38 PM

I’m the close of the 1984 Oscars after the cameras are turned off and Barbra and Donna do a rousing rendition of Enough is Enough (No More Tears) for the remaining audience.

by Anonymousreply 117September 16, 2021 6:03 PM

I’m the gauze that bound bab’s breasts. I’ve…seen things.

by Anonymousreply 118September 16, 2021 6:04 PM

I'm the townspeople inexplicably encouraging what seems to be a pre-pubertal 13 year old boy to get married.

by Anonymousreply 119September 16, 2021 6:14 PM

I'm tomatoes. No, I'm potatoes.

by Anonymousreply 120September 16, 2021 8:54 PM

I'm the problem of what should she do with her hair.

by Anonymousreply 121September 16, 2021 8:56 PM

I'm this chair.

by Anonymousreply 122September 16, 2021 8:57 PM

I'm that window.

by Anonymousreply 123September 16, 2021 8:57 PM

I'm the way the light streams in.

by Anonymousreply 124September 16, 2021 8:57 PM

I'm the matched set, from France, yet.

by Anonymousreply 125September 16, 2021 9:11 PM

I'm the river of surprise flowing through Yentl's body.

by Anonymousreply 126September 16, 2021 11:56 PM

I'm Papa's ears.

Yes I can fucking hear you, all day, all night! Shut the fuck up already and let me rest in peace!!

by Anonymousreply 127September 17, 2021 12:01 AM

[quote]Ms. Streisand wanted to do "Yentl" just after film "Funny Girl".

Is there any documentation of this outside of what she said in the late 1970s-80s? I don't believe it for a second, it was part of Streisand's "clever" marketing campaign. Some of you people are extremely gullible.

by Anonymousreply 128September 17, 2021 1:12 AM


From NYT

"It wasn’t until 1983, with “Yentl,” that she finally got the chance to direct. She’d bought the rights to the Isaac Bashevis Singer short story “Yentl the Yeshiva Boy” in 1970. Her original vision was for a nonmusical, black-and-white art film, but “the only way I could get ‘Yentl’ made was to sing in it,” she says."

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by Anonymousreply 129September 17, 2021 5:35 AM

However LA Times says....

"Streisand bought the rights to the story in 1968, the year she made her Oscar-winning film debut in “Funny Girl.” However, she was told that audiences didn’t want to see her playing another Jewish character. But Streisand felt that it was a “universal story of the limits that are put upon a woman -- just because she wanted an education, she had to dress as a male. It was as simple as that.”

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by Anonymousreply 130September 17, 2021 5:36 AM

Ms. Streisand's website puts year at 1968 when she optioned film rights for "Yentl the Yeshiva Boy".

Funny Girl both on Broadway (1964) and film (1968) were huge hits. Barbara Streisand was a hot property and it seems quite logical that she would have bought film rights to Yentl at that time.

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by Anonymousreply 131September 17, 2021 5:42 AM

Wasn’t Singer a neighbor in Brooklyn or something?

by Anonymousreply 132September 17, 2021 6:10 AM


I.B. Singer like scores if not hundreds of other Eastern European Jews settled on Upper West Side of Manhattan upon arriving in USA, and that is where he remained for most of his life until moving to Florida.

Barbara Streisand went from Brooklyn to Manhattan (west 40's), then to a cold water flat on Third Avenue.... There would be other residences/apartments in Manhattan including a townhouse on East 80th street, but that was Upper East Side.

Isaac Bashevis Singer was firmly part of Jewish Upper West Side depicted in films like Portnoy's Complaint, Harry and Tonto, and other films/shows. It slowly begun vanishing by 1980's but a sizable Jewish population still manages to hold on.

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by Anonymousreply 133September 17, 2021 6:27 AM

I'll be I.B. Singer not holding back in the "Times":

"I must say that Miss Streisand was exceedingly kind to herself. The result is that Miss Streisand is always present, while poor Yentl is absent. Was going to America Miss Streisand's idea of a happy ending for Yentl? What would Yentl have done in America? Worked in a sweatshop 12 hours a day where there is no time for learning? Would she try to marry a salesman in New York, move to the Bronx or to Brooklyn and rent an apartment with an ice box and a dumbwaiter? This kitsch ending summarizes all the faults of the adaptation. It was done without any kinship to Yentl's character, her ideals, her sacrifice, her great passion for spiritual achievement. "

by Anonymousreply 134September 17, 2021 6:35 AM


And I.B. Singer was correct. There are reasons why in short story "Yentl the Yeshiva Boy" things end in a bit of disaster.

Mr. Singer was also correct in what was Anshul doing to do in America? What shul would have Anshul on some sort of equal to the men. What Ashkenazi man would have Ansul for a wife? Not one observant and pious enough that studied Talmud all day.

Again watch Hester Street which depicts Lower East Side of Manhattan at about same time. That little world of Jewish immigrants reflected various roles open to women within community at that time. Anshul fit none of them by temperament or anything else.

Anshul could marry a goyim who didn't care what she read/studied long as she didn't let thing slip in her primary role as wife and mother. Or maybe marry a Jewish man of western European background (reformed) who again indulged her studying . But that still would leave the whole wife, mother and housekeeping bit, none of which Anshul showed any great inclination or promise.

Not marrying was an option for women in early 1900's America. But Jew or gentile that was a hard lot for most women. Without the protection of a husband (or a wealthy family) life would have been very difficult financially and socially.

by Anonymousreply 135September 17, 2021 7:31 AM

I’m a piece of sky.

by Anonymousreply 136September 17, 2021 11:17 AM

I´m Jennifer Holliday at the Oscars - feeling it.

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by Anonymousreply 137September 17, 2021 12:24 PM

[quote]Anshul could marry a goyim.

Or a gayim.

by Anonymousreply 138September 17, 2021 12:51 PM

I'm the Mad magazine parody.

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by Anonymousreply 139September 17, 2021 2:49 PM

Who cares what kind of life would have awaited Yentl in America? That wasn’t the point. Her journey was more symbolic. The movie ends on the boat, so that’s where the story ends. We don’t analyze what comes next in the same way that we don’t wonder if the lovers actually did live happily ever after in romantic comedies or fairytales.

by Anonymousreply 140September 17, 2021 3:04 PM

R140 Yentl avoid a life of drudgery, prostitution, and impecuniousness in patriarchic America when the boat sank near Newfoundland.

by Anonymousreply 141September 17, 2021 3:49 PM

[quote]Barbara Streisand went from Brooklyn to Manhattan (west 40's), then to a cold water flat on Third Avenue

Her 3rd Ave apt was on East 67th. The Central Park West duplex apt was on 92nd. In 1970 she bought a brownstone on 80th and Madison, at the top of the market, to renovate. Never lived there, and Warner boss Steve Ross arranged for the company to take it off her hands at a good price. It pays to be a star.

by Anonymousreply 142September 17, 2021 3:53 PM

Rene Jordan's biography of Barbra published in 1976 was I believe the first book written about her. In it he writes about Yentl as a film project that was on her agenda for a while but dropped. He includes it as one of the examples of chances for her to grow and expand as an artist but finally writes" Who would lay down hard cash to make a period film, with transvestite undertones, even with Streisand as box office guarantee?"

by Anonymousreply 143September 17, 2021 4:40 PM

I'm the much better illuminated remake of Yentl.

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by Anonymousreply 144September 17, 2021 5:04 PM

If Yentl were being made today, I wonder if a certain segment of society would have a strong opinion as to the "type" of actor to be cast in the lead role....

by Anonymousreply 145September 17, 2021 5:06 PM

According to Barbra, she got the greenlight to do the film by dressing up as a man and waiting in Jon Peters home. When Peters came in, he thought there was an intruder and ran to call the police. When he realized it was Barbra, he told her she should do the movie.

by Anonymousreply 146September 17, 2021 5:10 PM

I'm the reference in The Simpsons episode "Selma's Choice": A scene where Marge, caring for a sick Homer, offers some rental tapes, Boxing's Greatest Weigh-Ins and Yentl. Homer asks what Yentl is and Marge tells him it's about a bookish young Jewish woman who poses as a man so she can go to rabbinical school. When Homer says Yentl sounds great, Marge concludes that he's delirious.

by Anonymousreply 147September 17, 2021 5:38 PM

If that's at all true, R146 (and I'm extremely skeptical), then she clearly ditched whatever she did to fool Jon Peters and went instead with a simple feathered back short hair wig and eyeglasses for the movie.

by Anonymousreply 148September 17, 2021 5:56 PM

[quote]According to Barbra,

R148, any sentence that begins with those words should be taken with a large grain of salt.

Peters was totally against Babs doing Yentl because it would not appeal to the youth audiences. He was a low class literate who wanted her to play modern characters in modern films. How about a rock singer?

by Anonymousreply 149September 17, 2021 6:36 PM

[quote]According to Barbra, she got the greenlight to do the film by dressing up as a man and waiting in Jon Peters home. When Peters came in, he thought there was an intruder and ran to call the police. When he realized it was Barbra, he told her she should do the movie.

That's an adorable story.

And just as believable as Barbra's father in heaven making the sun shine for her big crane shot across the St. Charles bridge when she asked him.

by Anonymousreply 150September 17, 2021 6:42 PM

DRESSING the part before you HAVE the part is not a guarantee that you will GET the part.

by Anonymousreply 151September 17, 2021 10:02 PM

I'm TradiTION!!!!

Oh, wait . . . sorry, wrong film.

by Anonymousreply 152September 18, 2021 12:45 AM

I'm the irony of the last line of Anshel/Yentl's sad internal monologue at her first dinner in Hadass's home:

"No wonder he loves her/What else could he do? If I were a man/I would, too."

Because in the original story, it's Hadass Yentl wants, not Avigdor.

Yentl is a transgendered woman who wants to live as a man, and in the story, I believe, after coming to America, she lives the rest of her life in the identity of Anshel.

But that wouldn't have been quite as gorgeous a role for Babs, would it?

by Anonymousreply 153September 18, 2021 12:50 AM

I'm the unfairness of it all. Why do the really sexy guys always go for women like Hadass instead of brainy, argumentative women who dress like men?

by Anonymousreply 154September 18, 2021 12:52 AM

[quote]Yentl is a transgendered woman who wants to live as a man, and in the story, I believe, after coming to America, she lives the rest of her life in the identity of Anshel.

You're dreaming, You're dreaming , You're dreaming

by Anonymousreply 155September 18, 2021 1:36 AM

Nice try, R153, but no.

by Anonymousreply 156September 18, 2021 2:02 AM


Entire short story is posted in R50 link; defy you to find anything I.B. Singer wrote to justify your views.

by Anonymousreply 157September 18, 2021 2:11 AM

Actually, I'm not dreaming. Yentl does live the rest of her life as Anshel after the divorce, she is transgender, and it's Avigdor she loves but as male to male. What I got wrong was the same sex issue.

I went back and reviewed the story, which is called Yentl The Yeshiva Boy. The story makes clear that Yentl had a "male soul".

It wasn't just that she wanted to study instead of cook, clean, and bear children.

She felt herself to be a male. And that's what Streisand threw out: the whole transgender aspect of the original story, so she could give the audience a more appealing hetero love story with a feminist heroine. Singer's story was more complex and mystical.

Streisand cheapened and dumbed it down to suit herself.

by Anonymousreply 158September 18, 2021 2:50 AM


Women living as men wasn't unheard of in real life. A few famous cases occurred prior to 1900's.

Anshel did not want to change her sex, nor any of the other claptrap about being a "woman trapped in a man's body".

Problem was Anshel wanted to remain a female, but partake in sphere of Jewish life that was forbidden to her and reserved only for men. Her lack of domestic skills, feminine qualities and traits along with finding role assigned to women (wife, mother, housekeeping) an anathema wasn't unheard of either.

Anshel was like some trans in a way because she created her own particular Hell on earth. Now known as Yentl and enjoying fruits of "passing", how could she return to being a woman again? All the things she wanted would once again be denied.

Note in book I.B. Singer only says that Yentl continues to live out her life as Anshel, we don't know know how happily or not balance of her life was.

In film Yentl immigrates but back as Anshel where plot summary tells us she could go off and study Talmud in USA being herself (a woman).

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by Anonymousreply 159September 18, 2021 3:17 AM

[quote]She felt herself to be a male. And that's what Streisand threw out: the whole transgender aspect of the original story, so she could give the audience a more appealing hetero love story with a feminist heroine. Singer's story was more complex and mystical. Streisand cheapened and dumbed it down to suit herself.

Seems to me that there was a movie that did explore those ideas, but for the life of me I can't recall the title. Alfred Boobs? Albert Nipples? Something like that. I think Janet McTeer was in it and got a nomination.

by Anonymousreply 160September 18, 2021 3:35 AM

I'm Steven Spielberg falling in love with Amy Irving when I watched a sneak peek screening.

by Anonymousreply 161September 18, 2021 5:59 AM


That bitch cost me $100 million USD.

Fucking California divorce laws...

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by Anonymousreply 162September 18, 2021 6:07 AM

[quote]Streisand cheapened and dumbed it down to suit herself.

How about Streisand cheapened and dumbed it down to suit the audience. Transexuals (the trem used in the 80's) were not embraced and supported as today.

by Anonymousreply 163September 18, 2021 9:25 AM

'I'm David Brenner who Barbra resembles when she plays Anshel.

by Anonymousreply 164September 18, 2021 12:50 PM

Would you PLEASE take that fucking poster down? I can't stand looking at her "soulful" mug.

Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 165September 18, 2021 12:59 PM

[quote]The story makes clear that Yentl had a "male soul".

Translation for the very dumb: that means a woman who is smart and capable. People didn't know that way back when, and used to say things like, "she's as smart as a man!."

by Anonymousreply 166September 18, 2021 3:56 PM

R166 - The quote is directly from Singer's original story (see infra). Yes, no shtetl housewife had smarts or ability, right?

'Her father Reb Todros, may he rest in peace, during many bedridden years had studied Torah with his daughter as if she were a son. He told Yentl to lock the doors and drape the windows, then together they pored over the Pentateuch, the Mishnah, the Gemara, and the Commentaries. She had proved so apt a pupil that her father used to say:

“Yentl—you have the soul of a man.”

“So why was I born a woman?”

“Even Heaven makes mistakes.”

There was no doubt about it, Yentl was unlike any of the girls in Yanev—tall, thin, bony, with small breasts and narrow hips. On Sabbath afternoons, when her father slept, she would dress up in his trousers, his fringed garment, his silk coat, his skullcap, his velvet hat, and study her reflection in the mirror. She looked like a dark, handsome young man."

Yentl believed she had been mistakenly born in a woman's body, and in the story she and Avigdor after he discovers the truth acknowledges that the love between them is as man to man, not disguised woman to man.

Take your simplistic platitudes somewhere else; Singer's story's nuances are clearly too hard for you.

by Anonymousreply 167September 18, 2021 6:26 PM

Isaac Bashevis Singer was born in Poland in 1903. Enough said.

by Anonymousreply 168September 18, 2021 7:38 PM

I'm the cinnamon in the baked apples. I make them smell good.

by Anonymousreply 169September 18, 2021 8:25 PM

[quote]"she's as smart as a man!."

That is one of the things that stuck out for me when reading Dracula -- Mina was often described in such a fashion, or smart or level headed for a woman. There was no need to do that for Winona's movie version of the character....

by Anonymousreply 170September 19, 2021 12:11 AM

I’m Irene Cara side-eyeing the posters in this thread who keep asserting Yentl won the Best Song Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 171September 19, 2021 3:27 AM

I'm Jerome Robbins warning Barbra not to include the bottle dance in the wedding scene.

by Anonymousreply 172September 19, 2021 5:35 AM

I'm Bab's version of Diana Ross's insistence on playing a teenaged Dorothy in the 1978 film version of "The Wiz" musical.

by Anonymousreply 173September 19, 2021 6:43 AM

I'm the menopause that hits the young boy midway through the film.

by Anonymousreply 174September 19, 2021 1:59 PM

I´m the gold reflector Barbra used to hold when the camera was on Amy in their scenes-for good lightning.

by Anonymousreply 175September 19, 2021 2:29 PM

I'm Hadass and Avigdor's son, Anshel. I don't make an appearance in the film because the egotistical bitch director wanted to film her big "Don't Rain On My Parade/Let's Hear It For Me" number on the boat with an implausible ending.

by Anonymousreply 176September 19, 2021 2:33 PM

I’m hungry after seeing this thread and going t9 make some lentil soup.

by Anonymousreply 177September 19, 2021 7:05 PM

R168 - And Shakespeare was born in Stratford in the 16th century. He still managed to make a few sapient observations on human nature.

Homer also managed a view and he was born a few millenia earlier.

Singer, born in Poland in 1903, managed a half century ago to highlight the plight of someone like Yentl, with whom history has appeared to catch up recently.

He gets credit for that, not a contemptuous assumption that judges Singer for thinking that only a woman with a male persona could possibly be smart and capable.

Because, as we all know, women raising families in the ghetto in Poland in the early 20th century didn't need smarts and capability to survive, right?

by Anonymousreply 178September 19, 2021 7:35 PM
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