Havana Syndrome

I've read about it. Some diplomats in Cuba a few years ago developed strange symptoms that seemed to indicate some kind of brain injury. People suspected some kind of microwave weapon. There have been a few other incidents elsewhere. Never solved but the symptoms were real and disabling. Cubans were blamed for it but I always suspected the Russians. It would certainly benefit Russia to drive a wedge between US and Cuba.

If the Russians attack an American vice-President, it could be the end of the world as we know it. I would not expect sanctions to be enough. There would be military action. Maybe destroy the Russian fleet and then Russia retaliates via nuclear strike. Then Russian ceases to exist.

Targeted Individuals

Microwaves. The US should know all about them. We were early adopters. Acting all ignorant and indignant.

We can’t annihilate Russia without them annihilating us simultaneously. If we were to initiate a total nuclear assault, all that would be left would be Siberia, Inner Mongolia, and Kansabraskahoma.

The name sounds sultry.

Yes I read about the Cuba ones. Half the time the sufferers were dismissed as hysterical which must’ve been infuriating. Some of them said it (whatever it was) was occurring in one room but if they walked into another room, it was fine.

Honest and not facetious post: I stayed at the Hotel Nacional in Havana ~10 years ago and it was generally lovely! No brain injuries to write home about, and the linens were always changed daily. Maids and bellboys took tips and they were keen to earn them.

My only gripe was that towards the end of each week, their breakfast buffet (as well as the rest of Havana probably) apparently ran out of normal food. Instead of eggs and bacon and waffles, they served stuff like thawed frozen broccoli, chopped hot dogs, and empandas/croquetas.

I think it’s a false flag operation. Eventually it’ll be blamed on some country we want to engage in a limited war.

It's happening more and more.

It makes my blood boil when ignoramuses want to dismiss it as ‘mass hysteria’ or a hoax or exaggeration. I’ve been mad about this ever since it was first reported. It is so obviously not “mass hysteria”, and the damage done to people’s bodies and brains is very real.

For a somewhat definitive account, read this article by Julia Ioffe.

The more I read of this sort of stuff, the more I wish we as humans could be put to sleep like dogs rather than have to face some of this.

I'm sure our intelligence agencies know exactly what it is, and who's doing it. They're saving revealing it for a more strategic time, when we need to rile up the populace for some foreign intervention.

It's the Russians and Chinese.

R14, I've heard only the Russians. Where's the coverage about the Chinese?

Yeah, the U.S. is really going to invade Russia. Sure.

R16, I think it's more about doing something related to cyberattacks or revealing information about Putin. Or sanctions and support for Ukraine (e.g., associated status with NATO). Etc.

Member of CIA chief's team reported Havana syndrome symptoms on recent trip to India

Washington (CNN)When CIA Director Bill Burns traveled to India earlier this month a member of his team reported symptoms consistent with Havana syndrome and had to receive medical attention, according to three sources familiar with the matter. The incident set off alarm bells within the US government and left Burns "fuming" with anger, one source explained. Some officials at the CIA viewed the chilling episode as a direct message to Burns that no one is safe, including those working directly for the nation's top spy, two sources said. The event marks the second time in less than a month that reported cases of the mysterious illness have impacted the international travel of top Biden administration officials. Last month Vice President Kamala Harris's visit to Vietnam was slightly delayed when multiple US personnel reported symptoms consistent with the syndrome just ahead of her visit, and at least two of them had to be medevaced.

Under Burns and the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines, the intelligence community has undertaken a wide-ranging investigation into the mysterious attacks, including a 100-day probe into the potential causes that began earlier this summer. While that investigation is expected to be concluded before the end of the year the time frame could be somewhat adjusted and there is no public report planned, two sources said.

"We don't comment on specific incidents or officers. We have protocols in place for when individuals report possible anomalous health incidents that include receiving appropriate medical treatment," a CIA spokesperson said. "We will keep doing everything we can to protect our officers."

The situation in India could have dramatic implications: the CIA director's schedule is tightly held and there are deep concerns among US officials about how the perpetrator would have known about the visit and been able to plan for such an aggression. The person traveling with Burns who experienced the symptoms in India received immediate medical attention when they returned to the US, sources said.

US investigators have struggled to determine what or who is causing the mysterious symptoms, and how exactly they are doing it. Incidents of Havana syndrome began in late 2016 in Cuba and there have since been cases reported in Russia, China, Austria and other countries across the globe. CNN has previously reported that incidents also took place on US soil, including two staff members of then-President Donald Trump's national security council who were struck near entrance points to the White House. The ongoing incidents have put US diplomats and intelligence officials on edge leading up to the UN General Assembly in New York this week where diplomats from around the world -- including many US diplomats -- will convene in close quarters. Only a handful of the total reported incidents have occurred on US soil, but the gathering in New York is always viewed as a target-rich environment for espionage. President Joe Biden was recently updated on the overall situation -- including the fact that there are more than 300 possible cases, the kind of medical support being provided to those impacted, and the investigation into the matter that is led by the intelligence community. Over the summer the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines, launched the 100-day investigation into the "mechanism" behind the incidents, and efforts that could be taken to defend against the attacks. Putting a timeframe on it was part of an effort to drum up the intensity of the investigative effort, but the deadline could be extended if that is needed, sources said. There are also other ongoing investigations by the US intelligence community focused on the question of the perpetrator behind the incidents, which the US government calls anomalous health incidents or AHIs, and what the US can do to defend against these incidents. The US government is "pursuing multiple lines of effort" to investigate the Havana syndrome, a CIA spokesperson said. The spokesperson added that one of those efforts is led by ODNI and CIA officers as well as the outside scientific community to "to work collectively to increase our understanding of the possible mechanisms that could be causing AHIs." Since Biden took office his national security team has been keenly focused on probing the mysterious incidents and getting impacted US personnel the assistance they need. Secretary of State Tony Blinken spoke with US diplomats affected by the Havana syndrome earlier this month which marked his first meeting with those impacted, according to a State Department Spokesperson. The conversation came after CNN reported of frustration among rank-and-file staffers about how the department had handled the mysterious incidents. Lawmakers were initially critical of the Biden administration for not sharing regular updates on the mysterious incidents. But in recent months the administration, in an effort led by Burns, have made changes to the processes and support for those impacted and personnel working on those efforts.

"We've strengthened efforts to determine the origins of the incidents, including assembling a team of our very best experts -- bringing an intensity and expertise to this issue akin to our efforts to find bin Laden," a CIA spokesperson said. "The senior officer who leads the team spent more than a decade on counterterrorism issues and was a driving force in CIA's analytic and targeting work that led us to find bin Laden." Still, the incidents have continued to occur, leaving US diplomats and US intelligence officers on edge as they take on new assignments overseas.

[quote] [R16], I think it's more about doing something related to cyberattacks or revealing information about Putin.

Yes. For which “riling up the populace” is not necessary.

US must have lousy spies if they don't have a handle on who is doing this and how. As bad as this Havana Syndrome is, the fact that we don't have the ability to do the same thing to them and know who is doing it for sure is really worrisome. What else don't we know about.

This thing is really scary because no one knows where it's coming from

I blame Camila Cabelllo

Long Range Acoustical Devices were first used in Pittsburgh in 2009 for "crowd control" G20 Conference. I was there. Lots of men in black suits observing, including Israelis.

^ at the G20 Conference*

Forgot to link this.

I've read a little bit about it in the news. One of the articles said that the Cubans have the best domestic intelligence agency in Latin America and there was zero chance of something like this happening without their permission. That country still has a friendly relationship with Russia. There is a theory that the sickness is side effect of someone using powerful devices to try to steal info off of cell phones and laptops.

They already have malware they don't need to use this to steal info off phones and laptops. The Israelis have the tech to read any text on ANY phone in the world. This was already known for years, even 60 min had a story on this.

[quote]Long Range Acoustical Devices were first used in Pittsburgh in 2009 for "crowd control" G20 Conference. I was there. Lots of men in black suits observing, including Israelis.

You can always count on someone blaming The Jews.

Sorry, I mean The Zionists.

I think the point was that the US already has this technology, probably developed it, and has been using it and sharing information.

can't they block this somehow? tin foil the whole apt?

Sooooo just what are the symptoms? We're30 posts in and nuthin nada from anyone.

Jesus Mary and Joseph r32, it's right in the OP's link:

[quote]Hearing strange grating noises, headache, hearing loss, memory loss, and nausea

Link. Who opens links.

Great article, but I still believe it's the nepharious act committed by shithole China after it used microwave weapons to blast Indian troops in disputed border region.

Covfefe.

I watched an episode of that Chip and Johanna Gaines HDTV show a few years ago where Chip mentioned a flip they did concerning what they found directly beneath the dry wall in each and every room in the house. He either was or he feigned ignorance to what was found - he was utterly stymied by it, saying that he had gone over it again and again in his mind and he couldn't figure out why someone would do such a thing. Nevertheless, after the former owner went to all that trouble, they still vacated the house, obviously - hence the flip. What was found? Steel sheet metal beneath the dry wall in every room/wall surface. So called Targeted Individuals would understand right away. They're using cell phone towers and satellites, as well as the electrical grid.

Either the US actually knows what it is and isn't saying because it doesn't want reveal what it knows or it's a psychological phenomenon. I don't believe that Russia (even less so China) has a weapon that's so far advanced the US has no knowledge or even intelligence of it.

They probably stole the tech from US!

[quote] or it's a psychological phenomenon.

It most certainly is not.

[Quote] I don't believe that Russia (even less so China) has a weapon that's so far advanced the US has no knowledge or even intelligence of it.

Your faith is touching. Rolls eyes.

Whatever it is, they used it on Simune Biles at the Tokyo Olympics.

'Twisties' my ass.

Thank god for Data Lounge, where this mystery will be solved!

Maybe it’s the carpeting or paints we choose for our embassies

Obviously, they're catching Havana Syndrome from tainted door knobs and toilet seats!

WTF is their end game? New report from NBC last evening. Targeted Individuals have suffered from this shit here within the boarders of these United States for DECADES! This blonde woman crying over so called "phantom touch" pisses me off! There are tens, probably hundreds of thousands of Americans who have suffered far, far greater abuses and for much, much longer. See the report:

Oh fuck off with the far left, Assange-asslicking, everything-is-a-CIA-op conspiracy bull, R47.

Like it’s so hard to believe that Russia or China are actually our adversaries and that they would have the capabilities to do this. Retard.