Why didn’t Beyoncé get an Oscar nomination for ‘Dreamgirls’?
She was so beautiful and lovely throughout. It was easily her best role.
The nominees were
HELEN MIRREN- The Queen
PENÉLOPE CRUZ- Volver
JUDI DENCH- Notes on a Scandal
MERYL STREEP- The Devil Wears Prada
KATE WINSLET- Little Children
Honestly, she was better than at least two of those women nominated.
She looked so fucking fierce throughout the film. Beautiful!
|by Anonymous||reply 167||October 13, 2021 6:00 AM
Beyonce? In that line-up?
How old are you?
|by Anonymous||reply 1||August 22, 2021 2:23 AM
Is this some sort of parody thread?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||August 22, 2021 2:24 AM
That Oscar lineup was pretty much set all season.
I thought Beyonce was very good in "Dreamgirls", certainly better than deer-in-headlights Jennifer Hudson.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||August 22, 2021 2:29 AM
If she would just star as a drug addicted pregnant prostitute in a movie with Dame Maggie Smith, she'd get her damned Oscar already.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||August 22, 2021 2:31 AM
The truly robbed person for that film was Eddie
|by Anonymous||reply 7||August 22, 2021 2:36 AM
Loved Effie’s “One Night Only” version. Hated Deena’s version
|by Anonymous||reply 8||August 22, 2021 2:39 AM
Love Beyonce is Dreamgirls. She was gorgeous to behold and held it down. I think her best acting work is in Cadillac Records though.
Kate Winslet and Judi Dench were equally good as Mirren that year. It's one of the first years I saw most Oscar films. I think Winslett is a most surprising and amazing actress. Little Children is some of her best work. Let's face it, Mirren was pretty fascinating. But Dench had the role that usually grabs the statue.
BTW, OP is a race baiter, looking for trouble. Faux naive question, meant to provoke shit talk about the most talented and beautiful Beyoncé. She's only the most popular and successful artist of the last two decades! We ❤ her.
The world loves Beyonce AND Jennifer Hudson. Get used to it RACIST TROLL. Dreamgirls is a fab movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||August 22, 2021 2:44 AM
She can’t act. A beautiful woman but no actress
|by Anonymous||reply 11||August 22, 2021 2:45 AM
That line-up was very good. And that wasn't one of Meryl's just a "name check" nomination. She actually deserved it.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||August 22, 2021 2:48 AM
R10 funny because I never mentioned race. I asked why she wasn’t nominated. If race is what you thought of, that’s your business.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||August 22, 2021 2:49 AM
Looking fierce is not the criteria for winning an acting performance award, darlin.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||August 22, 2021 2:54 AM
[quote]Faux naive question, meant to provoke shit talk about the most talented and beautiful Beyoncé. She's only the most popular and successful artist of the last two decades! We ❤ her.
YOU may. "We" do not.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||August 22, 2021 2:56 AM
Are you serious? Beyoncé is a terrible actress. The good actors in that movie were Eddie and Jennifer.
She’s not all that in the looks department either.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||August 22, 2021 2:58 AM
OP/r13. I'm a gay black man under 40. It's the weekend on Datalounge. Your thread is race baiting, meant to generate hateful comments about Beyonce. You do it most every weekend. This IS my business. WE recognize your work. And the timing of it. Now put the bottle down old man and go the fuck to bed.
I hope you're dead by morning. No one will notice for weeks. Your cats will eat you. You're a gross ancient moldy white piece of faggy racist PUKE. That's you OP, aka, R13.
Listen to a KING. You're done here.
The world loves Beyoncé. Not only for her beauty.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||August 22, 2021 3:03 AM
[quote] meant to generate hateful comments about Beyonce.
I'm not OP/R13, but this thread is generating "hateful comments about Beyonce" because most posters can't take her seriously as an actress.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||August 22, 2021 3:05 AM
I recall the final number included glitter cannons and a high energy number and remember thinking, Gah…that movie was terrible.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||August 22, 2021 3:10 AM
Even JLo playing a stripper hoe deserved more of a nomination than Beyonce
|by Anonymous||reply 20||August 22, 2021 3:13 AM
J Lo killed that role. She did deserve that Oscar nomination
|by Anonymous||reply 21||August 22, 2021 3:20 AM
OP is voting for his own posts! Racist hatemongers are the soul of DL!!
The thread will be cancelled in 3,2,1. It has only one intention. The OP is well known around here. Isolate his posts - and see for yourself. He's a sad, racist old drunk gay man full of hate and bitterness.
Kill the thread. F&F the OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||August 22, 2021 3:21 AM
R22 ok so you’re the one claiming to be black. I see. Only you arent.
There is nothing racist about my post.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||August 22, 2021 3:22 AM
I'm not black R23. I just looked at your other posts on DL. Your pretty obvious about what you do.
R10 was right about you. That's all.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||August 22, 2021 3:29 AM
R24 what other posts of mine are racist?
|by Anonymous||reply 25||August 22, 2021 3:41 AM
One thing I will say in favor of DREAMGIRLS: there are few movies where you'll get to see so many characters (including her own character's mother) tell Beyoncé she is pretty but soulless.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||August 22, 2021 3:47 AM
Non classical singers should avoid this sort of thing [Puccini arias for tenors:] but JHud does a slightly better job of it than Aretha did. What a beautiful range Jen has to her voice. And what a great BIG voice it is. Nessun Dorma sit high and loud in the male voice with elongated notes and many high C's. Jen goes past that to an F#5.
The only thing wrong with Dreamgirls as a movie was the actual source material, aka the weakness of the play. Otherwise it is a beautifully produced, perfectly cast and performed musical film. Beyonce was the perfect choice for Deena. She delivered the part, the vocals and the stunning looks. No one expected her to be nominated for an Oscar.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||August 22, 2021 3:48 AM
I never understood the “soulless” comments about Beyoncé
|by Anonymous||reply 28||August 22, 2021 3:55 AM
[quote] I never understood the “soulless” comments about Beyoncé
I think her mental dimness may come across as soulless to some.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||August 22, 2021 4:00 AM
[quote]The truly robbed person for that film was Eddie
Couldn't agree more! I saw it within the first couple weeks of its release at a nearly packed theater. The two numbers that the audience went completely bananas for (thunderous applause, yelling out "Oh yeah!" and such afterward) were "And I Am Telling You" (naturally) and "Fake Your Way to the Top."
It was really great to see Eddie Murphy again, KILLING it, in a role truly suited to his talents.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||August 22, 2021 4:01 AM
Beyonce cannot fucking act.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||August 22, 2021 4:02 AM
|by Anonymous||reply 32||August 22, 2021 4:05 AM
The film wasn't that popular with the Academy. Entertainment Tonight treated it like the second coming and then it didn't even get a Best Picture nomination and Eddie Murphy lost when he was favored to win. (that may have been because he made a lot of enemies though and not because of the film.)
|by Anonymous||reply 33||August 22, 2021 4:08 AM
The real question is why didn’t Judi Dench win for one of the most amazing performances ever captured on film. Helen was good but Judi was phenomenal.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||August 22, 2021 4:09 AM
Judi already had one. Helen didn't. She seemed due.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||August 22, 2021 4:10 AM
They wrote "You Must Love Me" for Madonna to have an original song more in her house and vocal range for Evita. And Beyoncé given "Listen." She slayed it. It speaks to her show character, Deena, and a bit about Bey herself. About her own heart, talent and ambition. "I'm more than what you made of me" ....She still sings it to this day, if the spirit moves her.
Not beautiful? Soulless? Old white drunk racist gay men are crazy on Datalounge. Beyoncé was amazing. Like most seismic talents, she's reached true greatness with time. She's the most important musical artist of the last two decades. Simple as that. It ain't about old gays shaking their ass to Single Ladies. Fuck.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||August 22, 2021 4:16 AM
She was the worst out of the three leads. Even that woman who did the voice of Princess Tiana was better than her.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||August 22, 2021 4:26 AM
She was the only lead dear.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||August 22, 2021 4:28 AM
No r38. Jamie Foxx was campaigned in Lead Actor.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||August 22, 2021 4:30 AM
Probably because not as much a majority of the Academy that year preferred to vote for someone whose role consisted of working her wig, gowns and a mic.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||August 22, 2021 4:31 AM
She is why I will never say a word against Helen Reddy or Olivia Newton John‘s attempts at acting ever again.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||August 22, 2021 4:35 AM
Beyonce is terrible in that Fatal Attraction rip off she did. She seems tongue tied most of the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||August 22, 2021 4:37 AM
I think it’s funny how some people assume that members of the Academy would love the chance to give Beyoncé an Oscar, even though they shut her down at every single opportunity. She wasn’t even close to an acting nomination for Dreamgirls, her song for The Lion King couldn’t even break into a weak field in that category, and they even specifically denied her credit for the nomination for “Listen.”
And that 2006 field was one of the best for that category in recent decades. The previous year was one of the worst ever, yet Beyoncé wouldn’t have come close even if Dreamgirls were released the year before.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||August 22, 2021 4:39 AM
Beyonce didn't even win the Globe. I did.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||August 22, 2021 4:40 AM
There were no false notes in Beyoncé’s performance. She was wonderful. But same thing happened with Sheryl Lee Ralph who excelled in the OBC. They were both overshadowed by the loud, sassy chick who got knocked down and climbed right back up. I liked Hudson but loathed Jennifer Holiday on stage. Her acting was wooden and she sounded like she was pushing out a giant turd when she sang.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||August 22, 2021 4:41 AM
and ANYONE can win a globe. Even G has three.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||August 22, 2021 4:41 AM
Madge won a Golden Globe for her substandard Evita. They really are the Emmy of movie awards.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||August 22, 2021 4:42 AM
[quote] They really are the Emmy of movie awards.
They are the Peoples' Choice Awards of movie awards.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||August 22, 2021 4:46 AM
They are racist and sexist now and cancelled for next year.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||August 22, 2021 4:50 AM
Even the voice of "that woman who did the voice of Princess Tiana" ???
You mean Anika Noni Rose, R37. She is a very great talent. Won a Tony the first time out. Two years before Dreamgirls.
Everyone in Dreamgirls was top notch. Bey was the lead and fulfilled it beautifully. But as in the play, Effie stole the show. It's written that way. The film showcased the great Eddie Murphy and Jamie Foxx and Anika and JHud and the gorgeous and beautiful singing of Beyonce... and yes her acting too. She was never bad and if she was, it was edited out. She had a lot to do. It's a fucking great movie. The best cast and produced movie musical in decades. All those black folk upset you I guess, R37. Especially Miss Knowles.
As Diana Ross said about the film to Letterman: "No, I haven't seen it, because this is not a story to me....it is MY FUCKING LIFE! But I will be seeing it.... with my lawyers."
How sad for you R37 that you don't know the talents of Anika Noni Rose. It's not that she isn't known to be great. She just performed on the Kennedy Center Honors, beautifully. But there's only one Beyoncé. The STAR of OUR show.
It's only the racist intention of OP's thread that ignites this discussion. Beyoncé was not expected to be nominated for the Oscar. But Hudson grabbed people by the throat with her vocal performance and didn't let go.
Sheryl Lee Ralph is more personally dynamic than Bey - but she didn't break through to win the Tony Award either. It's not a thankless part, but the drama is in the music of Dreamgirls and that drama and songs is given to other characters.
Beyoncé was perfectly cast. She more than delivered Deena. Dreamgirls is a beautiful film to watch. And listen to. You should try it sometime R37.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||August 22, 2021 5:00 AM
[quote]As Diana Ross said about the film to Letterman: "No, I haven't seen it, because this is not a story to me....it is MY FUCKING LIFE! But I will be seeing it.... with my lawyers."
That never happened. Miss Ross would never have appeared on Letterman's show in 1982 when it was a little rinky dink late night newbie. And she wouldn't have sworn and she never really addressed Dreamgirls knowing it would only give it more publicity.
She did shockingly sing the song "Family" from it during her infamous rained out Central Park concert.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||August 22, 2021 5:05 AM
You're a liar R51. Diana Ross said both of those things. When the film came out.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||August 22, 2021 5:16 AM
To David Letterman? Provide a source or a link or else it didn't happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||August 22, 2021 5:22 AM
Miss Ross never appeared David Letterman's first show. Do you mean she said it about the movie? She did appear on his second show in early 2007.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||August 22, 2021 5:27 AM
I do love a sarcastic thread, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||August 22, 2021 5:36 AM
When you have the style, substance and musical expertise and talent that I do, when your posts aren't full of hate but are courteous with curiosity and illustrative of the subject at hand - you may politely question me, R53.
But y'all just a racist troll, trying to start ugly talk about Beyoncé. We won't be engaging. I work alone out here. You're an ancient white fag who loves his disco Diana memories. But is still a deplorable RACIST.
I wasn't born until 1983. I agree that Jennifer Holliday was a grunting inferior singer who sounded like she was taking many, many shits and belching up the rest of her dinner when she sang. She is devoid of musical artistry, which is why she only shits out that one song. The movie and JHud offered a huge improvement on the material.
Miss Ross is a golden charmed silvery voiced beauty. I love her. Though her most popular music is not of my time. She did say those things. I know for a fact. The Letterman interview I mentioned is on your Google machine old man R53. All of the hate posts here are from you. Shall I copy and paste or write them in cursive for you gramps? When they untie you and change your diaper, look up Diana Ross on Letterman yourself. She's didn't say fuck there, but it is quoted many other places. She did say she would be attending the movie with her lawyers. You're a very old fool.
Can't stand a young hung tall muscular handsome and musically gifted black KING. Can you. Why not die? In your sleep. Put everyone out of your misery.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||August 22, 2021 5:39 AM
No fan of M's overcooked performance in Devil Wears Prada. But I doubt Beyonce barely made anyone's ballot.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||August 22, 2021 5:43 AM
Ancient White Fags troll is off his meds again. I knew I should've kept that crazy bitch from Saskatchewan on my ignore list. He ruins every thread about black singers/actresses.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||August 22, 2021 5:46 AM
Beyonce was fine. Not great, but not embarrassingly awful, either.
This thread is hilarious just to watch all the diva-stans tee off on each other.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||August 22, 2021 5:49 AM
I hate Jennifer Hudson. Her singing is nails on a chalkboard. She always oversings every fucking thing she does. WE GET IT, Jennifer, YOU’RE LOUD. Wooweee. She is so unpleasant.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||August 22, 2021 6:06 AM
R60 she reminds me of Christina Aguilera in that sense. They attack even songs that don't require it with ridiculous histrionics.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||August 22, 2021 6:08 AM
At least Bill Condon could go without cutting between shots longer than that hack Rob Marshall could with [italic]Chicago[/italic].
But that doesn't explain why his remake of [italic]Beauty and the Beast[/italic] was so flat, lifeless, and perfunctory.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||August 22, 2021 6:10 AM
I think Beyonce should have played a maid, slave, or drug addicted prostitute. It was too much of a stretch for the audience to think that a negro could be a talented, glamorous singer. The Academy doesn’t reward SciFi films.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||August 22, 2021 6:12 AM
They're SEX WORKERS and they're FABULOUS!
|by Anonymous||reply 64||August 22, 2021 6:13 AM
R56, I dare you to call Gerald Alessandrini a racist guinea wop after this:
|by Anonymous||reply 65||August 22, 2021 6:19 AM
Beyonce is dumb as a box of hair but I put her above the Nicki Minaj, Cardi B trashy types. She is a pretty woman and wonder what hold her husband has on her.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||August 22, 2021 6:19 AM
OMG R64 I forgot about that stupid actress that plays that part. She annoyed me to no fucking end. That was the stupidest show I could imagine from the ridiculous set up as an Amish sex captive. I normally can't stand Tina Fake to begin with but that was a terribly conceived show and Fake's ridiculous cheeky Marcia Clark impersonation during the courtrooms scenes were embarrassing.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||August 22, 2021 6:20 AM
[quote] I do love a sarcastic thread, OP.
Believe this to be a troll (joke) thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||August 22, 2021 6:21 AM
The only reason Beyoncé wasn't the worst actress in the third Austin Powers movie is because Britney Spears was also in it.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||August 22, 2021 6:22 AM
Eddie Murphy would have won had he not wrote, produced, and starred in [italic]Norbit,[/italic] which was an embarrassment for the industry and was insanely released during awards season.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||August 22, 2021 6:25 AM
The reverse of what happened with Julie Andrews, R70, since [italic]The Sound of Music[/italic] opened while voting was ongoing for the Oscars for last year's films.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||August 22, 2021 6:27 AM
Time's up, R58. I've never been to Saskatchewan but I do have a Masters Degree from the Royal Conservatory of Music. Specifically the Glenn Gould Artist Diploma in both piano and voice. I live in NYC and Montreal.
You project because you have so many alternate accounts. You always upvote your own posts instantly from multiple accounts so you won't be F&F into greyed out trolldom. DL administration told me that. But it's also easy to see. You have all the life of 50 year cum stains and less integrity. So, it's surprising when you receive 5 W&Ws within seconds of one of your snoozy and hate filled posts? Ha. KING is GOLD. I don't run errands or roll pennies. Call your nurse.
You possess just one poor intelligence and RACIST OLD MAN POV. Get some rest. Put the bottle down. Stop starting race baiting Beyonce and Jennifer Hudson threads every weekend. Everyone knows what you do. More people like JHud than you planned. Didn't work out so well for you. So you return to your racist trashing of Bey. (dumb as a box of hair) What a sad kind of faggot you are. I'm gay, but I'd never be you. Such hate you embody in such a lonely ugly spirit. You're so clearly a TROLL. We know you by name. You're just exchanging messages with yourself. Sad joke.
May Jesus visit you tonight R51, R53, R37, R all the OTHER posts you pretend to be on this thread! We pray he'll heal your troubled mind & deliver you from this world.🙏🏾
|by Anonymous||reply 72||August 22, 2021 6:29 AM
Eddie was never gonna beat that old man who is widely respected.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||August 22, 2021 6:29 AM
Gays can't be racist because racism equals power plus prejudice and gays don't have the power to oppress.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||August 22, 2021 6:30 AM
OP, don’t forget your med. Beyoncé is getting old and fat now she’s only 45 but looks 55 in her recent IG PICS. Yuck. 🐄
|by Anonymous||reply 75||August 22, 2021 6:33 AM
OLD WHITE GAY MEN are all named KAREN.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||August 22, 2021 6:36 AM
Wow is she really 45? My how time flies, seems like she was just a young thing in Destiny's Child
|by Anonymous||reply 77||August 22, 2021 6:37 AM
[quote]My how time flies, seems like she was just a young thing in Destiny's Child.
Yes, back when your were 60, R77.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||August 22, 2021 6:40 AM
Hiding behind Christianity to attack gay men. Just like Pat Robertson.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||August 22, 2021 6:48 AM
sucks to be you right now....Beyoncé was almost too pretty and gifted and charismatic. Brings out a lot of jealousy. As her music became less accessible to old gays loose holes, some of them started calling her names. Because she claimed her power as a strong black woman in a racist country. She spoke out and grew up musically and personally. She's a hero to more people than ever before, even if she doesn't sell as many records. In public regard, she is the most highly praised recording artist, live performer and content creator of this century. All that while being beautiful. Ha.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||August 22, 2021 6:50 AM
Funny r78, I am 49 and I always looked at her like she was much younger than me.
Even though I look 20 years younger like other DL members. ;)
|by Anonymous||reply 81||August 22, 2021 6:56 AM
Sure, everyone on DL looks 20 years younger than they really are.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||August 22, 2021 6:57 AM
Wait a minute, I just Googled and she is 39. I got fooled.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||August 22, 2021 7:03 AM
Dreamgirls is a shitty movie based on a great Broadway musical. Bill Condon has never scored as a director despite the commercial success of some of his movies.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||August 22, 2021 7:12 AM
The only songs that actually sound like they could have come from Motown in the 1960s/early 1970s was the Jackson 5 pastiche. Everything else sounded like disco almost.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||August 22, 2021 7:17 AM
Beyonce and JHud both turn 40 in September. Aguilera is 40. Kelly Clarkson is 39. Pink and Sarah Bareilles are 41. Along with the younger Jessie J, Gaga and Adele - these are the best female singers in the game. Celine still sounds great at 52. But she's not really in the game.
Nobody does this. And it's LIVE. She makes a few mistakes and then KILLS it!
|by Anonymous||reply 86||August 22, 2021 7:27 AM
If she were a boy, Kamala Harris would throw her in jail on false charges.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||August 22, 2021 7:28 AM
And she wasn’t nominated for Austin Powers: Goldmember either!
|by Anonymous||reply 88||August 22, 2021 7:36 AM
We love Beyoncé and we love Kamala Harris too. Everyone does.❤🌈☮
|by Anonymous||reply 89||August 22, 2021 7:37 AM
My favorite is Kelly Clarkson but she has gone so corn pone. But I do think Beyonce has some talent.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||August 22, 2021 7:41 AM
R91 step away from the pipe and go to bed
|by Anonymous||reply 92||August 22, 2021 7:48 AM
[quote]Honestly, she was better than at least two of those women nominated.
She wasn't better than any one of them. Not that year.
Maggie Gyllenhaal (Sherrybaby) was better than her as well.
Even Annette Bening was better in that shitty movie version of Running with Scissors.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||August 22, 2021 7:48 AM
Get waterboarded for enabling state terrorism against Black men, R92, you fucking narc.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||August 22, 2021 7:50 AM
There weren't many outstanding lead performances from women this year but I would rate the following above Beyonce, and below the 5 nominated actors.
Martina Gedeck in The Lives Of Others (more likely to be supporting)
Cate Blanchett in Babel
Maggie Gyllenhaal in Sherrybaby
The little girl in Pan's Labyrinth
Rebecca Hall in The Prestige
Emma Thompson in Stranger Than Fiction
Naomi Watts in The Painted Veil
Jennifer Aniston in Friends With Money
Catherine O'Hara in For Your Consideration
|by Anonymous||reply 95||August 22, 2021 7:54 AM
Jennifer Aniston is a terrible actress, R95. She is to movies and TV as Britney Spears is to music.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||August 22, 2021 7:57 AM
Jennifer Aniston is like Madonna. People that don't belong in movies and need to stick to their lanes. She will never be a movie star. No matter how much she tries. She is TV only
|by Anonymous||reply 97||August 22, 2021 8:00 AM
Julia Roberts is more like Madonna, R97.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||August 22, 2021 8:00 AM
[quote] Jennifer Aniston is like Madonna. People that don't belong in movies and need to stick to their lanes. She will never be a movie star. No matter how much she tries. She is TV only
We didn't want her in TV either.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||August 22, 2021 8:01 AM
How is Julia Roberts more like Madonna when she is bonafide movie star? Like the biggest one for over a decade.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||August 22, 2021 8:03 AM
I meant she is to movies as Madge is to music. Little of what they created will stand the test of time.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||August 22, 2021 8:04 AM
Madonna should just never have anything to do with movies but I see what you mean. But I disagree. Both had power positions for women that most will never achieve. And like Madonna is on the top 5 of highest selling artists Julia is one of the highest selling actresses the box office has ever known. Those facts will stand the test of time in any era.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||August 22, 2021 8:08 AM
Madge's songs are shit and most of Julia's movies are garbage.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||August 22, 2021 8:09 AM
But people bought them. All of them.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||August 22, 2021 8:10 AM
That I can't dispute. Not a big fan of either but I know too many people that either love or have loved both. Madonna still has a lot of gays and Julia still has a lot a lot of fraus. The new Gen X fraus still adore her.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||August 22, 2021 8:15 AM
Madonna has so many cinema stinkers, they overshadow what she has in her favour, namely, Desperately Seeking Susan, Dick Tracy, and A League of Their Own (and I guess Evita). She also worked with Woody Allen, Spike Lee, and Wayne Wang. And Body of Evidence is campy fun.
Beyonce has Dreamgirls, Austin Powers, and Obsessed. Beyonce is turning 40 in a few weeks. Madonna had done all of the aforementioned by age 40.
Madonna's film oeuvre is more cinephile-friendly than Beyonce's, even with all the stinkers.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||August 22, 2021 8:31 AM
She killed John Schlesinger.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||August 22, 2021 8:32 AM
Clint Eastwood was really excited about working with Beyoncé on A Star Is Born. Then the RNC incident where he talked to an empty chair happened, and she dropped out soon after. (Beyonce and Jay-Z are close friends to the Obamas.)
I can't help but think how interesting Eastwood's version of ASIB would've been set in the Jazz era with Beyoncé as the lead. That's what Streisand was getting at when she mildly dissed Cooper/Gaga's version.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||August 22, 2021 8:44 AM
And instead we got his take on [italic]Jersey Boys[/italic] which Jon Favreau should have directed.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||August 22, 2021 8:47 AM
Beyonce like Madonna needs to let the movie thing go. It's not gonna happen. Ever. That's not where people wanna see you. Let it go.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||August 22, 2021 8:48 AM
I thought Bey was just wonderful in her little movie. Wonderful. Maybe not quite good enough for an Oscar nod, but miracles are miracles for a reason. Hard to come by.
But, again, she was just wonderful in that little movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||August 22, 2021 8:49 AM
Because she can't ACT nor SING!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 113||August 22, 2021 9:00 AM
[quote] Beyonce has Dreamgirls, Austin Powers, and Obsessed.
She was decent in Cadillac Records despite being miscast. Not once did I buy her as Etta James.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||August 22, 2021 9:01 AM
Beyawnce can barley speak, let alone act....
|by Anonymous||reply 115||August 22, 2021 9:29 AM
She can speak, sing, dance, act. All of it. She’s a STAR to boot.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||August 22, 2021 12:16 PM
[quote] Madonna's film oeuvre is more cinephile-friendly than Beyonce's, even with all the stinkers.
I don't know what point you're making, other than to once again pointlessly compare two divas.
Madonna can't act. Beyoncé can act a little. Whether Madonna was in some better movies than Beyoncé has nothing to do with either of their abilities--it has to do with the directors.
Madonna had about five lines in "A League of their Own" and about fifteen in "Dick Tracy." She was important to the plot of the latter (not the former), but all she did was slink around in a satin 30s dress.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||August 22, 2021 4:50 PM
As an actress, Madonna is not much of a singer. She's a laughing stock. She's out of her league in any performance that isn't a music video. She can't even sing live.
Beyoncé is no one's idea of a joke. Her talent and beauty and hard work is there for all to see. She blows your hair back. Enjoy it or not.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||August 22, 2021 5:12 PM
Beyoncé is beautiful, but she's just not much of an actress. Sorry.
Maybe she will improve with time if she works at it.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||August 22, 2021 7:00 PM
If only Beyonce's music didn't stink to high heaven.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||August 22, 2021 7:23 PM
Pretty hurts, bitch @ R120. Her music does not stink. You're just old and white.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||August 22, 2021 7:29 PM
Good, to great, to outstanding. Educate yourself. Or STFU.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||August 22, 2021 7:31 PM
[quote]Yet the most astounding sound is always Bey’s voice, as she pushes to her bluesiest extremes, like the hilariously nasty way she sneers, “He’s always got them fucking ex-cuuuu-ses.” She hits some Plastic Ono Band-style primal-scream moments in the devastating ballad “Love Drought.” (“Nine times out of ten I’m in my feelings / But ten times out of nine I’m only human” is a stunning confession from a diva who’s always made such a fetish out of emotional self-control.) “Freedom” and “Formation” reach out historically, connecting her personal pain to the trauma of American blackness, with the power of Aretha Franklin’s Spirit in the Dark or Nina Simone’s Silk and Soul. She can’t resist adding a happy ending with “All Night,” where the couple kisses and makes up and lives happily ever after, or at least until morning. But it’s an uneasy coda, with the word “forgive” noticeably absent and the future still in doubt.
[quote] Whether Beyoncé likes it or not – and everything about Lemonade suggests she lives for it – she’s the kind of artist whose voice people hear their own stories in, whatever our stories may be. She’s always aspired to superhero status, even from her earliest days in a girl group that was tellingly named Destiny’s Child. (Once upon a time, back in the Nineties, “No No No” was the only Destiny’s Child song in existence – but make no mistake, we could already hear she was Beyoncé.) She lives up to every inch of that superhero status on Lemonade. Like the professional heartbreaker she sings about in “6 Inch,” she murdered everybody and the world was her witness.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||August 22, 2021 7:47 PM
OP Her character was a cipher and boring.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||August 22, 2021 7:52 PM
That was a particularly strong year. I still think Dench should have won for her iconic Barbara Covett.
The "weakest" nominee of the five was Winslet. She was good but nothing amazing in "Little Children". Besides, she already had her award in filming steamy sex scenes with a naked Patrick Wilson.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||August 22, 2021 7:59 PM
I don't know anyone who can't name at least 20 Beyonce songs. We're not all that old. She's the visual artist of our time. Mostly AMAZING.
Dreamgirls is her EVITA, except that
A: DG is a much better film
B: Beyonce is a great singer and dancer
C: She's a pleasure just to watch
D: She's not bad at all
E: People have WON Oscars for worse performances
F: Beyonce has STAR quality, always.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||August 23, 2021 3:28 AM
R130 regarding point E, I wouldn't call what B did in Dreamgirls a performance.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||August 24, 2021 1:00 AM
Beyonce is a mega local, the hype for her is not felt globally. She's not even in the top ten with female artist with more globally number 1's.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||August 24, 2021 1:36 AM
R132 that’s a lie. She’s a star everywhere. You always say that but it’s a lie.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||August 24, 2021 1:39 AM
Top Female Tours of All Time
|by Anonymous||reply 134||August 24, 2021 1:41 AM
R132 also claimed The Cosby Show was only a local hit when it was a #1 show in many countries, including the UK, and Top 5 worldwide.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||August 24, 2021 1:43 AM
Jada pinkett shoulda been nominated for magic Mike xxl
|by Anonymous||reply 136||August 24, 2021 1:57 AM
[quote]Madonna has so many cinema stinkers, they overshadow what she has in her favour, namely, Desperately Seeking Susan, Dick Tracy, and A League of Their Own (and I guess Evita). She also worked with Woody Allen, Spike Lee, and Wayne Wang. And Body of Evidence is campy fun.
Beyonce and Madonna are from two different time periods. I'm glad Beyonce never worked with Woody Allen. Madonna had a cameo in a Wayne Wang movie and he hasn't made a movie for non-Asian audiences in YEARS. I'm still not sure what Spike Lee has done in the past few years that Beyonce would have been perfect in.
[quote]Beyonce has Dreamgirls, Austin Powers, and Obsessed. Beyonce is turning 40 in a few weeks. Madonna had done all of the aforementioned by age 40.
And yet Beyonce doesn't see herself as an actress. She's a performer/singer who acts occasionally unlike Madonna who was downright embarrassing in Dick Tracy when she wasn't singing. (I did love that soundtrack!) Madonna tried and tried again. "A League of Their Own" was the highlight of her acting career. She was great in Desperately Seeking Susan but with "A League ..." her performance and the film were hailed as triumphs. It was truly a part she was perfect for.
Beyonce's best performance is Dreamgirls but:
1. Her character wasn't the underdog and that hurt her.
2. Her performance was not on the same level as everyone else that year nominated. The heavy lifting in that movie went to Jennifer Hudson. The only thing Deena Jones had going for her as a character was that Beyonce was able to make her seem sympathetic even after she (unintentionally) and Curtis (intentionally) screwed over Effie. Once her character was made aware of what they were doing to Effie, you bought that she felt bad for it. That was a change from the play which I wouldn't be shocked if Beyonce pushed for it but it was the right move.
She would have had A Star is Born if she didn't get pregnant again.
The real snub from Dreamgirls was Eddie Murphy.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||August 24, 2021 2:10 AM
R137 Beyoncé made them change the character to more sympathetic and less bitchy than she was in the play for her to play it. If they wanted her they had to tone down the bitchy attitude of Deena and she needed to be sympathetic and liked in the end or she wouldn’t do it.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||August 24, 2021 2:15 AM
R138, Just what I thought. I do think it was the right choice and made her character more complex. Thank you for sharing that!
|by Anonymous||reply 139||August 24, 2021 2:20 AM
Diana Ross loathed Sheryl Lee Ralph for playing that part.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||August 24, 2021 2:22 AM
Because Jennifer Hudson out emoted her with her eyebrows.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||August 24, 2021 2:24 AM
Diana Ross famously said about the play of Dreamgirls....."This is not a story to me, it's my fucking life."
It's a great quote and a very Ms. Ross thing to say.
About the movie, she said that she admired Beyonce, but had not seen it. But that she planned to....with her lawyers.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||August 24, 2021 2:28 AM
Beyonce's singing sounded out of place in the film, she didn't really sound like a 60s R&B singer. Basically she played herself.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||August 24, 2021 2:36 AM
Sheryl Lee Ralph speaking about Miss Ross.
At least years later Diana was over it.
Diana was upset mostly because she felt the show made her look bad. I’m almost certain she would be fine with the films version of Deena.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||August 24, 2021 2:37 AM
You lash out against gay white men based on falsified credentials, but who do you think wrote the show and who do you think made it into a movie? Gay white men, that’s who!
|by Anonymous||reply 146||August 24, 2021 2:41 AM
R133 She's not even bigger than Rihanna, Rihannas sales and achievements crush this overhyped flop. She put out two songs 2 weeks ago and nobody cared. The views are embarrassing for such a "global" star.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||August 24, 2021 6:13 AM
Rihanna has more single sales. Bey has more album sales n
Bey has bigger tours.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||August 24, 2021 9:23 AM
Lol Rihanna has sold around 65 million albums, beyonce is around 70 million, Rihanna will beat her effortlessly with her new era. No one's checking for beyonces new music anymore.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||August 24, 2021 9:35 AM
Sweetie, Beyoncé has two of the biggest tours ever. Rihanna doesn’t even make Top 20. Please stop.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||August 24, 2021 10:49 AM
R144 The score was Broadway not 60s R&B which was a common criticism of the show.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||August 24, 2021 7:59 PM
Why would it be R&B? The Supremes were more bubblegum pop than anything
|by Anonymous||reply 155||August 24, 2021 8:02 PM
The Disney TV musical [italic]Polly[/italic] had a more convincing Motown pastiche:
|by Anonymous||reply 156||August 24, 2021 8:24 PM
Beyoncé looked incredible
|by Anonymous||reply 157||October 11, 2021 12:01 AM
Because she didn't deserve it.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||October 11, 2021 12:10 AM
Dream girls still holds up to this day. “Mary!” me if you must, but It’s a perfect movie. Beyoncé is GORGEOUS in it. IMO the best she has ever (or will ever) look. I remember her talking about the boiled chicken and broccoli diet she was on during filming: well girl the proof is in the pudding that shit worked!
Also, Eddie was seriously robbed of that Oscar. What a magnificent performance. And he got beat by Alan Arkin, who put his Oscar down on the stage and gave a boring speech.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||October 11, 2021 12:16 AM
Arkin winning still is so strange to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||October 11, 2021 12:24 AM
R160 Not so strange if you consider that it's an industry award and Arkin was first nominated in 1966 and had been working in film for over 40 years when he won.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||October 11, 2021 12:56 AM
Beyonce didn't get an Oscar because the lead actress was Jennifer Hudson but she didn't get lead credit. Beyonce did. Jennifer was 100x the actress Beyonce was.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||October 11, 2021 2:26 AM
|by Anonymous||reply 163||October 11, 2021 6:26 AM
Because she didn't fucking deserve one for her lame, lazy, absent-minded non performance!
|by Anonymous||reply 164||October 11, 2021 8:06 PM
Unlike Minnelli, Streisand, Ross, Midler. . .Hollywood, understandably, didn't seem interested in Bey after her film debut.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||October 11, 2021 8:55 PM
She's such a dull actress with a monotone voice and lacks imagination to bring any of her roles to life. She has been in so many movies and leaves no impression. I mean, granted she's not the only boring actress out there who is famous for her looks. So I'm not singling her out. Madonna and Rihanna can't act either.
Jennifer Hudson and Jill Scott on the other hand, who are also singers, have given many great performances. Even Mariah did good in Precious, Gaga in American Horror Story and Whitney in Waiting to Exhale. Beyoncé hasn't done a performance that leaves an impression. She can look the part but not convince you. Even she couldn't pull off voicing a lion.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||October 12, 2021 12:18 AM
R166 Madonna had presence and certainly wasn't dull in Desperately Speaking Susan and Dick Tracy. In 'Dreamgirls' Bey comes across as a cypher
|by Anonymous||reply 167||October 13, 2021 6:00 AM