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California Democrats, please be careful when you vote in the recall election…

This is a two part ballot, so even if you’re voting NO on the recall, it’s still essential that you vote for the candidate of your choice IN CASE Newsom does get recalled. If the recall is successful, the candidate with the most votes becomes governor, so if you don’t vote, we could end up with a repug.

by Anonymousreply 259August 29, 2021 1:34 AM

You're why this recall is happening.

by Anonymousreply 1August 17, 2021 2:24 AM

Interesting comment…why is that?

by Anonymousreply 2August 17, 2021 2:36 AM

Look around you. Look at the artificially inflated gas prices. Look at all the homeless people sleeping in the streets and under overpasses. Look at the cost of living go up and up and up out of proportion to what things are actually worth. If you think this is doing a good job, then I would really hate to see what a bad one looks like.

by Anonymousreply 3August 17, 2021 2:39 AM

Newsom’s replacement will fix the problems.

by Anonymousreply 4August 17, 2021 2:41 AM

You also need to clean house in the house and the senate to make any substantive changes.

by Anonymousreply 5August 17, 2021 2:42 AM

I eat piles of shit!

by Anonymousreply 6August 17, 2021 2:43 AM

We've been to this rodeo before and we get it. DL posters are pretty smart cookies (excepting r3). This is the sort of advice elderly Aunt Edna and newly registered or low information/low literacy voters need.

by Anonymousreply 7August 17, 2021 2:47 AM

And you believe Newsom is responsible for all that, R3?

by Anonymousreply 8August 17, 2021 2:49 AM

R6 is not R3.

by Anonymousreply 9August 17, 2021 2:49 AM

[quote] And you believe Newsom is responsible for all that, [R3]?

He did nothing to stop it and in many ways made it worse. I have lived in California since before he was governor and he is the absolute worst of the worst. The man is an oligarch.

by Anonymousreply 10August 17, 2021 2:50 AM

It's going to be very tough. Repugs want him out and the homeless situation has made many Dems want him out as well. I don't think it will be close. He's toast.

by Anonymousreply 11August 17, 2021 2:51 AM

I voted for Angelyne.

by Anonymousreply 12August 17, 2021 2:56 AM

I live in California, and I hate it. Just looking at the jokers in the list of candidates and knowing how much this recall will cost us pisses me off. Last time we got Swartzenegger, and it took Jerry Brown three terms to bring things back. I'm sick and tired of Trump people just making messes of everything. And no, I'm not voting for Angelyne. Or Caitlynn or the black preacher from Hemet or the guy with goggles on.

by Anonymousreply 13August 17, 2021 2:58 AM

Vote for Keving Falconer. He was the only moderate republican to support gay marriage. He's the best of the candidates and was quasi-endorsed by the LA Times.

by Anonymousreply 14August 17, 2021 3:06 AM

If he supports the T it doesn't count.

by Anonymousreply 15August 17, 2021 3:07 AM

[Quote]I voted for Angelyne.

Sadly, perennial hopeful porn babe Mary Carey did not make the ballot this time around.

by Anonymousreply 16August 17, 2021 6:55 AM

[quote]You also need to clean house in the house and the senate to make any substantive changes.

California does not have a "house."

by Anonymousreply 17August 17, 2021 2:35 PM

Some facts about how this once fine state works...

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by Anonymousreply 18August 17, 2021 8:36 PM

Just vote NO! Leave the second part blank. Every vote for one of the 24 candidates lends legitimacy to this obvious power grab. The Trump trolls are all over this one.

by Anonymousreply 19August 17, 2021 8:42 PM

Goddamed fucking Larry Elder is going to be Governor.

by Anonymousreply 20August 17, 2021 8:42 PM

R20...No he isn't.

by Anonymousreply 21August 17, 2021 8:44 PM

Or throw caution to the wind when you vote. Control this, plan that. Fuck it! See what happens!

by Anonymousreply 22August 17, 2021 8:51 PM

June 7, 2022 is the date of the California primary, which will include the governor's office. If you are unhappy with Newsom, you can wait until then to replace him, why give it to a traitorous Republican who will pick the replacement for the 88 year old Feinstein if she dies between now and then and send the US Senate into the hands of Moscow Mitch. Don't screw the entire country because you are unhappy with Newsom.

by Anonymousreply 23August 17, 2021 11:12 PM

I hold DiFi totally responsible. She should have resigned years ago. Newsom recall is not the cause of a Mitch takeover.

by Anonymousreply 24August 17, 2021 11:16 PM

I agree. Whoever she is, she's gotta go.

by Anonymousreply 25August 17, 2021 11:35 PM

[quote]I hold DiFi totally responsible. She should have resigned years ago. Newsom recall is not the cause of a Mitch takeover.

Why are you blaming her and why should she have resigned? Blame the morons who reelected her in 2018.

by Anonymousreply 26August 17, 2021 11:44 PM

Yep, you’re right as usual. We Californians should have chosen the Republican candidate over the old, senile Democrat candidate that was forced on us instead of a vibrant, young progressive that the Democrats could have run. That even though DiFi should have voluntarily taken her rancid old doddering self out of the campaign, it’s our fault. My bad.

by Anonymousreply 27August 18, 2021 12:00 AM

R11, no real Dem would rather have Larry Elder as a governor. Nice concern trolling

by Anonymousreply 28August 18, 2021 12:05 AM

And she's planning to run again.

Term limits, folks. These old buggers can't quit you.

by Anonymousreply 29August 18, 2021 12:05 AM

[quote] no real Dem would rather have Larry Elder as a governor

Are some of his views problematic?

by Anonymousreply 30August 18, 2021 1:00 AM

R13 you live in California and you don’t know how many terms Brown served as governor after Arnold left?

by Anonymousreply 31August 18, 2021 1:04 AM

All these trump trolls can go eat a big pile of shit

by Anonymousreply 32August 18, 2021 1:17 AM

[quote] We Californians should have chosen the Republican candidate over the old, senile Democrat candidate that was forced on us instead of a vibrant, young progressive that the Democrats could have run

It’s exactly what happened ! No Republican made the run off that year. Di-Fi beat one of the best politicians in the state Kevin De Leon (D) to win re-election. Every news media said it was imperative for Di-Fi to be re-elected because Di-Fi’s experience was important to Democrats who needed to win back the Senate. Newsom and the California Democratic Party endorsed De Leon.

by Anonymousreply 33August 18, 2021 1:23 AM

I think people really underestimate how fed up Californians are about the homeless issue. While it is definitely a complex issue, this has become the new "the criminals (homeless) have all the rights". The dems like Newsom, Garcetti and Bonin are all viewed as being soft on the issue and when Bonin said he was once homeless, you knew many people simply stopped listening because some interpreted as having greater empathy with the homeless than homeowners.

Newsom has no chance of being retained because the majority of his voting base has been negatively galvanized by this one issue.

by Anonymousreply 34August 18, 2021 2:17 AM

Putting the above points aside for a moment: who should we vote for in Part 2 to take over in case the recall does succeed? I think it should be a Dem because the new Gov would have to appoint Feinstein's replacement in the U.S. Senate if she were to die or retire. There are only 2 Dems on the ballot:

1/ Kevin Paffrath, 29, who gives financial advice to his 1.7 million YouTube subscribers. The Democrat says his lack of "political baggage" is a good thing. His proposals include building underground tunnels for new roadways and cutting income taxes;

2/ Joel Ventresca, 69, is a Democrat though says he's further to the left than Newsom, whom he called a "corporate, establishment, insider Democrat." Ventresca's main campaign platform is providing free health care and education "cradle to grave" for everyone in California. He retired in 2018 from the San Francisco International Airport, where he held multiple roles.

The replacement Gov's term would last only until after the regular election of Nov 2022 (when Newsom could be re-elected or the replacement Gov could be elected, or someone new could be elected), but he could do a lot of damage (or good) in that short period of time. So who's better, or at least less bad: Paffrath or Ventresca?

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by Anonymousreply 35August 18, 2021 2:48 AM

r27 apparently knows nothing about how California's elections work. There WAS no Republican candidate in the final election.

by Anonymousreply 36August 18, 2021 1:54 PM

I was wrong at R35 -- there aren't only 2 Dem candidates on the Calif ballot. There are actually 7 more, though none of them strikes me as capable of being taken seriously (and none of them seems to be garnering much support so far):

Holly Baade -- self-described mother/business owner

John Drake -- self-described college student

Armando Perez-Serrato -- no info given by candidate

Daniel Watts -- self-described free speech lawyer

Patrick Kilpatrick -- self-described actor/screenwriter/producer

Brandon Ross -- self-described physician/attorney

Jacqueline McGowan -- self-described cannabis policy advisor

I'm not at all sure that Paffrath or Ventresca discussed at R35 is any more qualified, but at least they're exciting some interest among voters. So which one should I vote for after voting against recall?

by Anonymousreply 37August 18, 2021 8:42 PM

r27 If you voted in November 2018, the general election for Senate was between two Democrats. The younger progressive Dem fucked up by opening his mouth on Israel....sent a lot of Jewish Dems and $$ to Feinstein that might have stayed neutral or gone to him otherwise. He lost 55-45.

CA has a jungle primary, two dems were top votegetters in primary

by Anonymousreply 38August 19, 2021 2:14 AM

[quote]I have lived in California since before he was governor and he is the absolute worst of the worst. The man is an oligarch.

I was born here and have lived here all my life - and you are completely, utterly full of shit.

by Anonymousreply 39August 19, 2021 5:05 PM

He should have been removed when he was caught being at that restaurant.

by Anonymousreply 40August 19, 2021 6:18 PM

Thank you for posting this on DL, OP. Because we all know California is the center of the fucking universe.

by Anonymousreply 41August 19, 2021 6:21 PM

The latest poll of likely voters has the 'no' vote slightly ahead.

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by Anonymousreply 42August 19, 2021 6:30 PM

I've seen absolutely ZERO advertising about the election.

by Anonymousreply 43August 19, 2021 6:46 PM

I have to say I’m pretty shocked at how fucking lazy the Democratic Party seems to be in California. For a state full of old hippies and social activists, they seem totally incompetent at political organizing. Like with Prop 8, they see their side far ahead in early polling and just decide they have it in the bag. By the time the polls tighten, it’s to late for them to get organized and push back.

by Anonymousreply 44August 20, 2021 12:38 AM

BREAKING: The fiancée of Larry Elder, the Republican recall Candidate trying to unseat California Governor Gavin Newsom, reveals that she broke off her engagement with Elder after he threatened her with a loaded gun during a heated argument. RT IF YOU SUPPORT NEWSOM OVER ELDER!

by Anonymousreply 45August 20, 2021 2:07 PM

[quote]Because we all know California is the center of the fucking universe.

It's the most important state in the USA, the economic engine of the country, the fifth largest economy IN THE WORLD, and has long been viewed as the bellwether of the US in various ways. So maybe not the center of the universe, but of tremendous importance, yes. Deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 46August 21, 2021 1:35 PM

R46 is Gavin Newsome.

by Anonymousreply 47August 21, 2021 3:57 PM

It’s a trap!

by Anonymousreply 48August 21, 2021 3:59 PM

Faulconer is a great in-between until the midterms.

by Anonymousreply 49August 21, 2021 4:24 PM

r11, the homeless problem started in the 80s with Reagan's presidential policies. It was happening LONG before Newsom became governor.

by Anonymousreply 50August 21, 2021 10:22 PM

R47, come back when your spelling has improved.

by Anonymousreply 51August 22, 2021 1:14 PM

[quote] It's the most important state in the USA

Also is the source for over 90% of the country's douchebags.

by Anonymousreply 52August 22, 2021 3:48 PM

[quote] Vote for Keving Falconer. He was the only moderate republican to support gay marriage. He's the best of the candidates and was quasi-endorsed by the LA Times.

Same.

Voted NO on the recall, of course, but voted for Falconer. A strategic vote, though he doesn't sound horrifying. I'd rather have him than a minority vote in some Trumpy loon like Larry Elder.

by Anonymousreply 53August 22, 2021 3:50 PM

[quote] He should have been removed when he was caught being at that restaurant.

He was there with exactly two too many people. When we know lots of Trumpers and antimask/antivax types were ignoring the rulings and going to car races and the like.

Sorry, this was and remains an extreme mountain made out of a molehill.

by Anonymousreply 54August 22, 2021 3:53 PM

[quote]Sorry, this was and remains an extreme mountain made out of a molehill.

Newsom attracts blue Deplorables so…get rid.

by Anonymousreply 55August 22, 2021 3:55 PM

The problem with Kevin Faulconer is that he's not a Dem. If Feinstein retires or dies, the successor to her Senate seat will be appointed by the Calif Gov -- if that's a Republican, no matter how moderate, he's likely to appoint a Republican as Senator -- that would give the GOP control of the Senate and return Mitch McConnell to the leadership.

by Anonymousreply 56August 22, 2021 4:01 PM

R56 given how Democratic control of the government for just six months has driven the U.S. into the ditch (inflation, unemployment, Delta, Afghanistan, etc.) maybe we should try divided government.

by Anonymousreply 57August 22, 2021 5:42 PM

Kevin Faulconer is not far-right. He’s pro choice, pro-gay rights, pro-environment, pro-vaccine. I trust him.

by Anonymousreply 58August 22, 2021 6:13 PM

And if he turns out not to be trustworthy then you get rid.

by Anonymousreply 59August 22, 2021 6:14 PM

I hope I don't regret my Faulconer vote.

It was simply out of trying to be strategic with the math, because any vote not for Elder or the nutters helps keep Elder away.

by Anonymousreply 60August 23, 2021 4:32 AM

Your choice was basically Elder or Newsom. Elder leads. You tried, in the end.

by Anonymousreply 61August 23, 2021 4:34 AM

The oldsters on Next Door are all voting Elder.

by Anonymousreply 62August 23, 2021 4:57 AM

[quote]Kevin Faulconer is not far-right. He’s pro choice, pro-gay rights, pro-environment, pro-vaccine. I trust him.

Then you need to ask yourself why someone with those views remains a member of the white supremacist GOP.

Trust no Republican. Ever. Especially the ones that like to espouse how not like other Republicans they are.

by Anonymousreply 63August 23, 2021 11:07 AM

Vote NO (on the first question.

Leve the second question blank. Gavin Newsom is extremely qualified for this office. The rest are psychos. We have to keep Gavin Newsom in office.

We need all dems. We need san republican and independents too.

Vote NO (on the first question). This ends this nightmare. We keep a good, hard working and extremely qualified person in office. We need Gavin Newsom.

Here is a voting resource by stop the republican (fascists arm of republican party) to help you, it's good.

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by Anonymousreply 64August 23, 2021 11:28 AM

You’re full of hyperbole, R63.

by Anonymousreply 65August 23, 2021 1:45 PM

I FF’d R63.

by Anonymousreply 66August 23, 2021 1:45 PM

Someone is earning her pay from the CDP.

by Anonymousreply 67August 23, 2021 2:50 PM

That’s so Trump-like. That’s conspiracy theory shit. Democrats are not above that kookiness.

by Anonymousreply 68August 23, 2021 2:55 PM

[quote]You’re full of hyperbole, [R63].

Answer the question, then. Why does someone who holds all those positions remain aligned with a white supremacist political party?

by Anonymousreply 69August 23, 2021 3:12 PM

Why are Democrats so anti-Semitic? The far left—YOU.

by Anonymousreply 70August 23, 2021 3:16 PM

Since Larry Elder is poised to take over as there's no runoff, I'm not so sure leaving the second part blank is a good idea.

by Anonymousreply 71August 23, 2021 3:21 PM

This recall thing makes California even more of a laughing stock. An action hero as a governor? What an amazing system.

by Anonymousreply 72August 23, 2021 3:37 PM

My vote goes to the classy and ever-qualified Mary Carey!

by Anonymousreply 73August 23, 2021 4:07 PM

She's dropped out, R73.

Unless I can write in Mr. Cox' bear (whose name I don't know), none of those candidates appeal to me.

by Anonymousreply 74August 23, 2021 7:07 PM

This is a disaster. Planned and orchestrated disaster

by Anonymousreply 75August 23, 2021 7:10 PM

I had such high hopes for Newsom as a presidential candidate, but it looks like he's finished.

Enjoy Larry Elder as your new Gov. Maybe things won't be as bad as you think.

Maybe...

by Anonymousreply 76August 23, 2021 7:13 PM

Why? He has always had that smarmy slick back cosmopolitan socialite Persona that will go nowhere in Middle America and purple states

by Anonymousreply 77August 23, 2021 7:17 PM

Now that Fox News and media have made California the geographic epicenter for the nation’s cultural resentment, Democrats need to be reluctant to nominate anyone from California to head the ticket. Sorry Kamala

by Anonymousreply 78August 23, 2021 7:19 PM

R14. Kevin Faulconor was a shitty mayor of San Diego.

Vote NO on the recall.

by Anonymousreply 79August 23, 2021 7:46 PM

Larry Elder is a piece of shit.

Vote NO on the recall.

by Anonymousreply 80August 23, 2021 7:47 PM

He wasn’t R79.

by Anonymousreply 81August 23, 2021 8:09 PM

To stop the recall and stop larry elder (a total psycho) from taking over, you do this:

VOTE NO, on the first question.

You have to VOTE. You have to VOTE NO.

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by Anonymousreply 82August 23, 2021 9:11 PM

Kamala flying in to save the day for Gavin.

Not.

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by Anonymousreply 83August 24, 2021 2:19 AM

Remember to vote "yes" on the recall, but then write Gavin's name in. That way, no matter what happens, he will still be governor!!!

by Anonymousreply 84August 24, 2021 2:26 AM

Faulconer is a good, middle of the road choice.

by Anonymousreply 85August 24, 2021 2:28 AM

VOTE NO ( on the first question). This stops the recall and Gavin Newsom stays.

Leave the second question blank. The rest are psychos, not sane. This is why.

Join Stop the Republican Recall. Click the link for a very good voting resource from them too.

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by Anonymousreply 86August 24, 2021 2:30 AM

R86 you are wrong. The recall was organized from Moscow! Wake up SHEEPLE! Good resources here.

see offsite link to gofuckyourself.org

by Anonymousreply 87August 24, 2021 2:31 AM

Crazy extremist Larry Elder is winning because dems are not voting. All Dems we need you to vote. This is how:

-Vote NO (on the first question). This mean you are against the recall and Gavin Newsom stays in office.

-Leave the second question blank.

Click the link for the voting resource by stop the republican recall.

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by Anonymousreply 88August 24, 2021 3:06 AM

ALL DEMS, please need you to vote.

Vote NO (on first question of your ballot.)

Please SANE Republicans and Independents we need you too.

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by Anonymousreply 89August 24, 2021 3:15 AM

The problem is that if Elder gets in, school choice will get in because many dumb as dirt Dems support it, and then we'll never get rid of it and our population will gradually dumb down to the level of Texas. It is failed social engineering which causes crime and violence, deprives hundreds of thousands of decent education while enriching scammers and bigots, and destroys communities.

Vote Ventresca!

by Anonymousreply 90August 24, 2021 3:19 AM

Why didn’t Democrats provide a competent backup candidate to vote for in the second part just in case Newsom was recalled in question number one?

by Anonymousreply 91August 24, 2021 3:22 AM

it is not a real election. This is a recall. Gavin Newsom is the governor. He is from the Democratic Party. The fascists arm of the republican party are behind this recall. This is not a normal scheduled election, it is a recall. It is already costing a shit ton of money (over $276 million). Now, we have a serious pandemic too.

Vote NO (on the first question of your ballot). This means you vote against the recall and we keep Gavin Newsom. He is also working his ass of for us.

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by Anonymousreply 92August 24, 2021 3:30 AM

why didn't the republican provide a sane and responsible back-up? The republican are the doing the recall. The Democratic Party wants Gavin Newsom to stay.

Californians gets some crazy person. We have no idea who it could be? This is want the republicans are doing.

Please we need everyone to Vote, Here is how:

Vote NO (on the first question of your ballot)

Leave second blank. They are crazy.

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by Anonymousreply 93August 24, 2021 3:35 AM

Because Newsom's legal case is that whatever the vote total anti-recall is, will be more than the highest vote-getter for Round 1 and THEREFORE, the recall should be thrown out since he is still the governor and letting someone who gets just 20% of the vote serve is unconstitutional. Unfortunately, that is the scenario under which Schwarzenegger served and the US Supreme Court is not about to stop Elder because the Governor's lawyers are pursuing a failed strategy.

by Anonymousreply 94August 24, 2021 3:35 AM

For round 2 I mean. See if the Democrats had a legit single alternative everyone voted for, Newsom couldn't make that claim in court. He is a selfish bastard who cares nothing for California.

by Anonymousreply 95August 24, 2021 3:36 AM

there is no round two you dumb ass.

This is a recall election. Vote no. Just keep gavin newsom.

by Anonymousreply 96August 24, 2021 3:38 AM

That won't work R96. It didn't work for Grey Davis and it won't work for Newsom. Why are dems so stupid?

by Anonymousreply 97August 24, 2021 3:52 AM

Shockingly and unbelievably, "Vote no on 1, leave 2 blank" is, in fact, the official position of California's Democratic Party. And IMHO, it's completely, suicidally, fucking INSANE.

Their rationale: if they encourage voters to pick a "Plan B" Democrat, Newsom might lose a few votes if Democrats vote 'yes' for the recall in the hope that their preferred Democrat will replace him.

The obvious danger: If Newsom loses by even a single vote, and California's Democrats take the Party's official advice and leave question #2 blank, California's next governor will almost CERTAINLY be a Republican. Possibly even Larry Elder.

Do the sane thing: vote 'no' for question #1 (indicating your preference for keeping Newsom), then fuck the Party Line, and vote for a reasonable Democrat for question #2. Paffrath is a Democrat, and is apparently just slightly behind Elder in the polls. So, vote for him, and hope that vote ultimately ends up being unnecessary. But for the love of God, Xenu, and everything ever alleged to be holy, don't leave question #2 blank unless you want to risk electing Larry Elder as Governor by virtue of your own inaction.

Leaving question #2 blank is NO DIFFERENT than boycotting an election and handing victory to the Republicans unopposed. And make no mistake... the likelihood that Newsom might lose the recall election and cause whomever wins the most votes from question #2 to become the next governor is real. Take it seriously. Encourage your friends to vote 'no' on question 1... then be sane & hedge their bets on a Democrat for question #2 (preferably, one with a realistic chance of beating Larry Elder, like Paffrath).

by Anonymousreply 98August 24, 2021 7:23 AM

... and after this election is over, change that idiotic recall law to automatically include the incumbent governor on the "replacement" list. That way, in future recall elections, the Party can tell people, "vote no on #1, and vote for the governor for #2, so that even if he loses #1, the recall will prevail unless someone ELSE is able to muster more votes via question #2". The current recall rules are STUPID, precisely because there are so many ways they can result in an outcome the majority of voters are likely to find objectionable REGARDLESS of outcome.

by Anonymousreply 99August 24, 2021 7:33 AM

All Californians we need you. This recall election is dangerous. We need to stop this. We need our hard-working Governor to stay in office. All Dems we need you to vote (VOTE NO). We need sane Republicans and Independents too. T

-Vote No (on first question of ballot).

-Leave second blank.

We need to stop this. We need our hard-working Governor to stay in office.

by Anonymousreply 100August 24, 2021 7:35 AM

^^^ argh, typo... r99 should read, "... even if he loses #1, the recalled governor will prevail and remain as the governor unless someone ELSE is able to muster more votes via question #2."

by Anonymousreply 101August 24, 2021 7:35 AM

Hardworking Californians who have to deal with homelessness, hypocrisy, and the strictest COVID restrictions in the country, destroying small business vote the following:

-Vote YES (on first question of ballot).

-Select Kevin Faulconer for the second spot

We actually get the chance to trial run of a governor and then we can vote him out next year of he doesn't work out. What do we have to lose????

We need to stop this. We need a hard-working Governor in office and the current one is not that person. Give someone else a chance.

by Anonymousreply 102August 24, 2021 8:20 AM

VOTE NO (on first question).

Keep Gavin Newsom in office. This is a very dangerous recall effort. All hands on deck and VOTE NO!

by Anonymousreply 103August 24, 2021 8:39 AM

[quote] after this election is over, change that idiotic recall law to automatically include the incumbent governor on the "replacement" list.

That’s nonsensical. The incumbent is already on the ballot in the first question.

by Anonymousreply 104August 24, 2021 11:22 AM

r104, the fundamental problem with the current recall law is that the incumbent can be kicked out by a 49.999% 'no' vote, then replaced by someone who only got 8% of votes (in a contest with dozens or hundreds of candidates splitting the vote) since part 2 requires only a first-past-the-post plurality.

In other words, a minority of voters can game the system to unseat a governor who lacks an absolute majority of supporters, but still has WAY more supporters than whomever gets the most votes as their replacement.

The proper solution would be for recall & replacement elections to be independent of each other, and for replacement elections to be run like normal ones (ie, primary, then election, then runoff if necessary)... but that would be too slow, expensive, and impractical.

Allowing the incumbent to re-run as his/her own replacement would ensure that a governor's replacement had to win at least as many votes as the voters who wanted to keep them (assuming they voted for them as their fallback choice).

Another possibility would be to dispense with the second part altogether, and simply replace a recalled governor with the Lieutenant Governor and replace the LG via the usual process.

Another possibility would be to pick the replacement via a Condorcet method. This is arguably the best way to pick a replacement for a removed Governor, but trying to explain Condorcet rules to normal people is damn-near impossible... and in an election with potentially hundreds of candidates and millions of voters, the cloud computing resources (like Amazon AWS) necessary to determine the winner within a day or two could cost hundreds of millions of dollars & approach the computational complexity of Bitcoin mining (because you have to calculate every conceivable permutation of votes for every voter & candidate to basically determine who's the least-disliked compromise if nobody has an actual majority). It's very hard to explain to normal people why somebody who was the first choice of almost nobody (but the second, third, or fourth choice of a narrow majority who grudgingly viewed them as 'tolerable') should beat two candidates who got 45 and 39% of first-choice votes (but were the last choice of the other's supporters.

Basically, Condorcet rules punish polarizing candidates, while giving centrist candidates nobody is really *enthused* about, but views as the lesser-evil, a huge boost. So, in a hypothetical election between Trump, Romney, Biden, Bernie, and AOC, Trump & AOC would have almost zero chances of winning because more people despise them than prefer them. Out of the remaining 3, the winner would probably be Biden, since he'd have been almost everyone's second or third choice in a race with a roughly 50-50 split between Republicans & Democrats. HOWEVER, if Republicans tried to game it by only voting for Romney and/or Trump, Condorcet rules would treat votes for "nobody else" as ambivalent, equal votes FOR "everybody else", potentially giving Bernie an edge. It's a great scheme for picking least-opposed consensus candidates, but almost impossible to explain to normal people. In theory, it SHOULD produce outcomes similar to a "Jungle Primary" to pick 2 candidates followed by run-off elections if necessary in a state where two parties are strong & disciplined... but in reality, Condorcet rules encourage more marginal candidates to run, making things a bit more "unpredictable"

Condorcet rules also make accurate polling damn-near impossible in a race with dozens or hundreds of candidates, because even a subtle selection bias could be massively amplified & completely throw the poll's results.

by Anonymousreply 105August 24, 2021 4:46 PM

[quote] In other words, a minority of voters can game the system to unseat a governor who lacks an absolute majority of supporters, but still has WAY more supporters than whomever gets the most votes as their replacement.

You’re glossing over that it requires a majority vote to unseat the governor. So it’s not a minority of voters gaming the system to unseat him. It’s a majority vote unseating him. Also, once the majority has indicated they don’t want the incumbent, it makes no sense to allow him to be on the replacement list where he could be returned by only a plurality (and be subject to another recall).

by Anonymousreply 106August 24, 2021 4:57 PM

R102 is correct.

by Anonymousreply 107August 24, 2021 5:03 PM

r106, you're not wrong... and this mostly illustrates why conceptually "simple" solutions often create complex problems.

Ultimately, the present Recall law is a badly-flawed mechanism that can be easily exploited by a noisy, active minority to harass a candidate who gets elected by a majority that later becomes semi-ambivalent about them, and result in the election of people who wouldn't have a chance in HELL of getting elected to the same position in a "normal" election.

IMHO, a better solution would be to make the rules a little more complex:

1. A recall election is a single-issue ballot: should the present governor be retained, or should they be removed? If the 'yes' votes prevail with a majority, the Governor is removed from office and replaced by the Lieutenant Governor. A new LG is appointed via the normal mechanism.

2. The new Governor's term (held by the former Lieutenant Governor) is truncated to coincide with the present 2-year election cycle for the House of Representatives. If the term is truncated, it does NOT count against the term limit.

If these rules applied to the present situation, that would mean that if Newsom were successfully recalled, the Lieutenant Governor would have to run again in the normal Fall 2022 election... but for term limit purposes, THAT would be considered their first term. If whomever won for Governor in 2022 were recalled in 2023, the schedule of future Governor elections would be shifted forward by 2 years, so the next Gubernatorial election would be held in 2024 instead of 2026.

Basically, the Lieutenant Governor would always replace the recalled governor until the next major 2-year election, and if a recall happened during the first 2 years of a Governor's term, the remainder of that term would be truncated to the next major election cycle.

This way, you still have a clean, fair way for voters to remove a governor who pisses too many people off... but you reduce the incentive for a grumpy polarized minority to throw monkey wrenches at the majority winner by ensuring that whomever replaces them will still be from the same party.

The replacement will probably think long and hard about blindly following in the recalled governor's exact footsteps if they want to have any chance of winning the next "real" election in a year or two, but they're also unlikely to give the other party's voters much or any of what they're clamoring for. Likewise, by getting gubernatorial terms rapidly back on track with the semi-annual major election cycle (dictated by the House of Representatives), California could avoid turning recalls into a never-ending circus with expensive special election after expensive special election.

This also gives the party of a recalled governor a year or two to take a breath, do some hard soul-searching, and decide whether it wants to stand behind the new (former-LG) Governor as its official candidate in the next "real" election, or stand back and make them compete in the Primary election cycle like everyone else. It takes the immediate 'crisis' pressure off of them to get any warm body from the same party elected as a preferential option to anyone from the other party (by putting the Lieutenant Governor into the role), and then gives them a few months to gauge public sentiment over the new (former LG) Governor's performance and policies (and their likelihood of winning a real, competitive election against strong opponents) before blindly throwing the Party's weight behind them.

by Anonymousreply 108August 24, 2021 6:59 PM

We have to keep Gavin Newsom in OFFICE. He is intelligent, compassionate and extremely hard working.

Vote NO (on first question of your ballot). A NO vote mean you are against the recall, and this keep Gavin Newsom in office.

Second question leave BLANK. This is because the rest are psychos.

PLEASE VOTE and VOTE NO.

ALL HANDS ON DECK! We need all Dems. Also, we need sane Republicans and Independents.

by Anonymousreply 109August 24, 2021 7:16 PM

[quote] [R106], you're not wrong

That’s a given.

by Anonymousreply 110August 24, 2021 9:11 PM

Keep in mind, r109, that if a person wanted to recall Newsom they would need to vote Yes.

by Anonymousreply 111August 24, 2021 9:13 PM

If you want to KEEP Newsom make sure to vote YES. They try to confuse you on the ballot like they did for Prop 8. Vote YES, YES, YES to keep Newsom and then choose a back up just in case.

by Anonymousreply 112August 25, 2021 4:12 AM

To Keep Gavin Newsom in Office and stop the any of the rest, you do this:

Vote NO ( on first question of the ballot).

Leave Second Question Blank.

Go to Stop the Republican Recall dot org for more information and to volunteer.

Go to California Action for more information.

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by Anonymousreply 113August 25, 2021 4:16 AM

California Democrats, please open your hole for a man.

by Anonymousreply 114August 25, 2021 6:56 AM

OP is calling out to be fucked by a man.

by Anonymousreply 115August 25, 2021 6:56 AM

Remeber bvote ye sfor freedom

Then scrach you eyes ourt.

by Anonymousreply 116August 25, 2021 6:59 AM

r112 is a troll. Google it. A "no" vote for question 1 is a vote to KEEP Newsom (you're saying "no" to the recall). Any reputable source (CNN, LA Times, etc) will confirm this.

That said, ignore the California Democratic Party's recklessly insane advice to "keep the message simple" and "leave question 2 blank". The risk Newsom might lose is low... but real. If you leave #2 blank, it's like sitting out the metaphorical followup election and leaving the choice of his successor to the Republicans. Vote 'no' for #1, then pick a mostly-harmless Democrat (say, Paffrath) as a fallback in case the 'yes' votes prevail.

California's Democrats are playing Russian Roulette by telling people to leave question 2 blank. There is NO strategic advantage to Newsom, as long as you vote 'no' for #1.

If 'no' prevails, question 2 is MOOT. If 'yes' prevails, whomever gets the most votes in question 2 will be California's next governor. For god's sake, make sure it's a Democrat & don't hand victory to the Republicans by leaving question 2 blank. Smug overconfidence made Hillary lose. Learn from her goddamn mistake & don't let it happen again!

by Anonymousreply 117August 25, 2021 7:03 AM

While many people are debating his political future right now, we’re going to tell you about something he did outside the world of politics.

Our politician is a smart and charismatic guy, so women have always been more than happy to date or marry him.

However, you may not know that our man has been known to engage s*x workers to take care of his needs. He did this regularly.

He had a rotating lineup of girls he would use. Most of the girls did not last long in the rotation.

Why not?

They would always come back with stories about how drunk/ high/ crazy/ scary he was.

Example?

One night he requested [Woman] for an outcall.

When she got there he was already totally wasted. She knew that he got weird when he was drunk or high, but this particular night he was whacked out of his mind and angry about something.

There was a fireplace in the room. At some point he grabbed the fireplace poker and ran around the room butt n*ked, chasing her with the poker. He was yelling, “I’m going to jam this fire poker through your eye!”

Yikes! What did she do?

She screamed and ran out of the room. She got away without getting hurt. He kept requesting her after that, but she refused to ever do a call with him again.

Was this a unique situation?

No, he went through tons of girls and they all have stories about how crazy he is. He can be scary.

We know that our politician had/has designs on being President of The United States some day. However, could you imagine the kind of scrutiny he would face if he ran for President?

He doesn’t even have the luxury of claiming that this happened before he became a politician. Or that it was an isolated incident. He was definitely an elected public official at the time of this story. And there are lots of these women out there.

Again, this is a very famous politician. Even if you don’t follow politics, you absolutely KNOW HIM..

He has been the subject of some controversy lately, so we don’t know exactly what his future holds.

However, when we see him on TV now, we can’t get that picture out of our head of him running around with a fire poker… no clothes… whacked out of his mind… and threatening to jam someone’s eye out!

by Anonymousreply 118August 25, 2021 7:40 AM

Remember to avoid the AIDS up your pooper Larry Charles Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 119August 25, 2021 8:55 AM

Embrace change and reject the status quo.

by Anonymousreply 120August 25, 2021 5:10 PM

Without a compelling reason, change for change's sake is stupid and risky.

by Anonymousreply 121August 25, 2021 5:22 PM

See Trump

by Anonymousreply 122August 25, 2021 6:23 PM

I eat piles and piles and piles AND PILES! of shit.

by Anonymousreply 123August 25, 2021 7:56 PM

How could many people in California be so unaware of this election? Are they burying their heads in their shitholes? Mind-boggling!!!

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by Anonymousreply 124August 25, 2021 8:08 PM

R121: California cannot continue on this trajectory indefinitely. We don't just need a new governor. We need new representatives in the house and senate. We need new judges. We need to clean house from top to bottom.

by Anonymousreply 125August 25, 2021 8:09 PM

WE need ALL Registered Voters to VOTE NO (on the first question of your ballot.) This means you are against this dangerous recall effort and this keeps Gavin Newsom in office.

He is a Great Governor too. He is working his ass off for us. Oh and the rest are complete psychos. This is dangerous.

ALL HANDS ON DECK!!!

by Anonymousreply 126August 25, 2021 9:25 PM

R126 is a paid shill using ableist hate speech to defend the oligarchy.

by Anonymousreply 127August 25, 2021 9:27 PM

HI Californians, Here is a good voting resource by Stop the Republican Recall. Please circulate to friendly and family in California too.

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by Anonymousreply 128August 25, 2021 9:28 PM

You can stop acting like you're automatically entitled to Black and Brown votes.

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by Anonymousreply 129August 25, 2021 9:28 PM

Stop the Republican BASHING.

The GOP is not your enemy.

Gavin Newsom is.

He is a racist and a supporter of the buckbreaking TQ+ cult.

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by Anonymousreply 130August 25, 2021 9:29 PM

Gavin's gotta go. You better hope he loses this recall because otherwise he will be prosecuted for crimes against humanity before the next general election.

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by Anonymousreply 131August 25, 2021 9:30 PM

Gavin Newsom in a GREAT Governor. Do not let dangerous people take over California, during an pandemic.

Vote NO (on first question on your Ballot.)

Here is a good voting resources too: click the pic

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by Anonymousreply 132August 25, 2021 9:34 PM

Gavin is a disaster as governor. Gas only went down in price because of Trump. It went back up again with no end in sight almost as soon as he was gone.

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by Anonymousreply 133August 25, 2021 9:36 PM

Homophobic Black woman calls a Black man a white supremacist for daring to challenge a white liberal governor. It's like y'all still want your slaves back.

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by Anonymousreply 134August 25, 2021 9:37 PM

What is it they say about the company you keep?

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by Anonymousreply 135August 25, 2021 9:37 PM

Heels-Up Harris is rappin' for the white man again:

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by Anonymousreply 136August 25, 2021 9:39 PM

I have seen the decline with my own two eyes. Keep the status quo in power and it will keep getting worse and worse.

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by Anonymousreply 137August 25, 2021 9:41 PM

This is karma for not doing more to distance yourself from [italic]Full fucking House[/italic].

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by Anonymousreply 138August 25, 2021 9:43 PM

The people defending Newsom are anti-gay. Do not be fooled.

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by Anonymousreply 139August 25, 2021 9:45 PM

Voting No is voting Yes to the status quo.

Voting No is voting Yes to increased income inequality.

Voting No is voting No on California's economic recovery.

Voting No is voting No on California itself.

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by Anonymousreply 140August 25, 2021 9:48 PM

Voting No is voting Yes for more shit in the streets.

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by Anonymousreply 141August 25, 2021 9:48 PM

Voting No is voting Yes to continuing to get ripped off at the pump:

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by Anonymousreply 142August 25, 2021 9:49 PM

Gavin is so hot.

by Anonymousreply 143August 25, 2021 9:50 PM

THE TERRORISTS WIN IF YOU VOTE FOR BUSH!

by Anonymousreply 144August 25, 2021 9:51 PM

I didn't know you were attracted to turkey necks, R143.

by Anonymousreply 145August 25, 2021 9:51 PM

I MEAN KERRY!

by Anonymousreply 146August 25, 2021 9:51 PM

Recalling a great governor, gavin newsom and replacing him with who knows? This is a very bad way of thinking. BTW, the rest have a proven track record of crazy. This is not a normally scheduled election, this is a dangerous recall effort. They are trying to recall a great governor, during a pandemic. This has to be stopped.

The people behind this recall effort want to turn us into Texas and Florida., or worse. They hate Americans. They want there to be sick and dying children from Covid. This is want these people are actually saying. This is the fascists arm of the Republican Party, not the sane arm.

We need all democratic voters to VOTE NO, against the recall, thus keeping Gavin Newsom in office. This is what stops any of these crazies from getting into that office.

We need sane Republicans and Independents too.

by Anonymousreply 147August 25, 2021 10:00 PM

Newsom is finished!

Over 50% of Latinos in FAVOR of the recall.

People seem to think they lived through 4 years of Trump, they can live with Elder for a year.

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by Anonymousreply 148August 25, 2021 10:01 PM

I hope they’re smart and vote Faulconer.

by Anonymousreply 149August 25, 2021 10:02 PM

We don’t need any more white men in positions of power. Even the gay ones are dragging down gays of color.

by Anonymousreply 150August 25, 2021 10:08 PM

[R149] Tell that to the dying children in Texas and Florida. Gavin Newsom is the one that was preventing a hellscape.

We need all Californians to VOTE NO (on the first question of your ballot). All dems need to Vote NO. We also need sane Republicans and Independents too.

by Anonymousreply 151August 25, 2021 10:09 PM

What about the children living under bridges because their parents cannot afford a place to live?

by Anonymousreply 152August 25, 2021 10:10 PM

Shame on the Californians that sign the recall petition. This is not funny. We are having a serious pandemic. Not only is this dangerous, but is is costing us a fortune. This money was needed to deal with Covid.

You need to make this right and VOTE NO, on first question.

This is DANGEROUS.

by Anonymousreply 153August 25, 2021 10:11 PM

[quote]We don’t need any more white men in positions of power. Even the gay ones are dragging down gays of color.

Fuck you. Really, just FUCK YOU.

by Anonymousreply 154August 25, 2021 10:12 PM

Voting no on the recall is voting yes to more homelessness.

Voting no on the recall is voting yes on continuing the tq+ assault on the sex-based rights of women and gay people.

Voting no on the recall is voting yes to more neoliberal scaremongering on behalf of the oligarchy.

The recall is necessary and should’ve happened already. Gavin Newsom was a lousy mayor and an even worse governor. He will never be president. The days of everybody else letting white liberals push them around is over.

by Anonymousreply 155August 25, 2021 10:12 PM

Voting no on the recall is voting yes to white supremacy.

by Anonymousreply 156August 25, 2021 10:14 PM

[quote]The days of everybody else letting white liberals push them around is over.

Unlike all the blacks who supported prop 8.

by Anonymousreply 157August 25, 2021 10:15 PM

Gavin Newsom is a GREAT Governor. I am impressed by him. I will vote for him again, during the next normally scheduled election.

I am voting NO against the recall effort leading by very dangerous people. This keeps Gavin Newsom in office. Plus, it stops VERY DANGEROUS PEOPLE.

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by Anonymousreply 158August 25, 2021 10:16 PM

Where were they when Gary Coleman ran for governor?

by Anonymousreply 159August 25, 2021 10:16 PM

The woke and BLM wasn’t around for Gary.

by Anonymousreply 160August 25, 2021 10:17 PM

Stop the Republican bashing. This is your fault. This is nobody else’s fault but yours. Gavin Newsom is responsible for this mess. It is even worse than it was under his predecessor. Not that he was any great shakes, but everything wrong with him has been worse under this administration.

by Anonymousreply 161August 25, 2021 10:18 PM

[quote] The woke and BLM wasn’t around for Gary.

His TV show was woke before woke was even a thing.

by Anonymousreply 162August 25, 2021 10:18 PM

The blacks who voted for proposition eight also voted for Obama. Don’t you fucking deny it.

by Anonymousreply 163August 25, 2021 10:19 PM

True. ^!

by Anonymousreply 164August 25, 2021 10:19 PM

Both R162 and R163 are correct.

by Anonymousreply 165August 25, 2021 10:20 PM

Either he leaves office this way or he leaves office in chains.

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by Anonymousreply 166August 25, 2021 10:20 PM

It was white liberals like Dan Savage who tried to exaggerate the percentage of black voters who voted for proposition eight.

by Anonymousreply 167August 25, 2021 10:22 PM

Fuck you, r166. Your post just encouraged me to donate more $$$.

by Anonymousreply 168August 25, 2021 10:24 PM

FF’d^.

by Anonymousreply 169August 25, 2021 10:24 PM

FF’d R167

by Anonymousreply 170August 25, 2021 10:25 PM

You are giving money to this oligarch while some people cannot even make ends meet? You are an enabler of everything that is wrong with this state today. If he doesn’t get recalled, he’s going to jail.

by Anonymousreply 171August 25, 2021 10:26 PM

Please Vote NO. This is a very dangerous recall effort. This is not a normally scheduled election. They are pulling funds from Californians for Californians, during a dangerous pandemic. These recall effort people do not care about you.

VOTE NO (against the recall). Keep a great governor in office.

I like Gavin Newsom. I will be voting for him again during the normally scheduled election cycle. I will not be voting for Republicans in California because of this. We needed this money to deal with COVID, a pandemic. If you want to be elected to office, you need to debate with the other candidate. This is a serious and changeling job. This is not a joke. Lives our on the line.

VOTE NO (on the first question. We need to stop these crazy people. Keep Gavin Newsom. He is smart, hard working and reasonable.

by Anonymousreply 172August 25, 2021 10:26 PM

FF R170 for trying to silence the truth about the white supremacist left.

by Anonymousreply 173August 25, 2021 10:26 PM

Please vote yes on this recall. Gavin Newsom is an oligarch who is getting richer while working families in California are getting poorer and poorer. By voting to keep him in office, you will only widen the gap between the rich and the poor.

by Anonymousreply 174August 25, 2021 10:27 PM

I will be voting for Gavin Newsom again. I like him and he is doing a great job. Look at Texas. Look at Flordia. We are having a dangerous Pandemic.

I am also disgusted with this recall effort. We could have used this money to help people and not waste it on this. This is dangerous.

VOTE NO (first question)

by Anonymousreply 175August 25, 2021 10:28 PM

R172 Has literally no argument except propaganda and mental health slurs which are a form of hate speech. I have seen the degradation of California with my own two eyes. Gavin Newsom is responsible for it. He needs to be removed from office by every means necessary. This recall is moral, constitutional, and necessary. Vote yes to put a stop to the destruction of California.

by Anonymousreply 176August 25, 2021 10:29 PM

Voting yes on the recall is voting yes for California’s future.

Voting yes on the recall is voting yes on working families.

Voting yes on the recall is voting yes on saving sex-based rights for women and gay people.

Voting yes on the recall is voting yes on small businesses.

by Anonymousreply 177August 25, 2021 10:30 PM

Here is a very good voting resource: click pic to go to Stop the Republican Recall

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by Anonymousreply 178August 25, 2021 10:31 PM

Using mental health slurs to demonize your political opponents is right out of Joseph Stalin‘s playbook.

by Anonymousreply 179August 25, 2021 10:32 PM

Either he leaves office this way or he leaves office in chains.

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by Anonymousreply 180August 25, 2021 10:33 PM

Stop the Stalinist demonization of Gavin Newsom‘s opponents.

Vote yes on the recall and vote yes for a free and prosperous California.

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by Anonymousreply 181August 25, 2021 10:35 PM

So is undermining science, medical care and public health. So is genocide. So is spreading a dangerous illness to let children suffer and die.

Also, so is undermining a democratically held election.

Vote no on first question. No to these crazy people. This is dangerous. The people behind the recall are dangerous.

VOTE NO.

ALL HANDS ON DECK!

by Anonymousreply 182August 25, 2021 10:37 PM

Everybody should F/F r167, r170. He's posting idiocy all over this thread and others. In the ***Man Photographed as Baby on ‘Nevermind’ Cover Sues Nirvana, Alleging Child Pornography*** thread, he posted:

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This is why I believe Michael Jackson is innocent.

by Anonymousreply 183August 25, 2021 10:37 PM

Anyone who supports Gavin Newsom over Larry Elder is a white supremacist projecting their own white supremacy onto a Black man.

by Anonymousreply 184August 25, 2021 10:37 PM

[quote]So is undermining science, medical care and public health. So is genocide. So is spreading a dangerous illness to let children suffer and die.

You’re talking about transitioning kids, too?

by Anonymousreply 185August 25, 2021 10:38 PM

R182 is using hate speech to defend an oligarch. Just for that, Gavin Newsom will be imprisoned for electoral fraud if he is not recalled legally.

by Anonymousreply 186August 25, 2021 10:38 PM

A vote against Gavin Newsom is a vote to stop the medical industrial complex’s assault on the future of gay people.

by Anonymousreply 187August 25, 2021 10:39 PM

There are liberal white supremacists. Everybody on this thread defending Gavin Newsom is one.

by Anonymousreply 188August 25, 2021 10:39 PM

Need I remind you of your typical white racism:

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by Anonymousreply 189August 25, 2021 10:40 PM

Just for this, I will never vote for a non-black candidate for any office ever again as long as I live.

by Anonymousreply 190August 25, 2021 10:41 PM

Bruce Jenner is at the sausage factory tonight. You might want to pay him a visit.

by Anonymousreply 191August 25, 2021 10:42 PM

r190, either you haven't taken your medication, or you've taken way to much. You need to see a specialist.

by Anonymousreply 192August 25, 2021 10:43 PM

You need to get behind California’s first black governor.

by Anonymousreply 193August 25, 2021 10:44 PM

You need to stop pretending that psychiatry and psychology are anything other than quackery. They are rackets with a long history of anti-gay bigotry.

by Anonymousreply 194August 25, 2021 10:45 PM

R183 Is yet another white racist piece of trash trying to defame the memory of one of the greatest entertainers who ever lived or ever will live.

by Anonymousreply 195August 25, 2021 10:46 PM

Speaking of which…

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by Anonymousreply 196August 25, 2021 10:50 PM

Don’t just vote yes, make sure you put the ballot in the envelope in a way so that the two holes in the envelope do not reveal who you voted for.

by Anonymousreply 197August 25, 2021 10:51 PM

That just isn't going to happen, r193. No matter how many idiotic posts you fill this thread with.

by Anonymousreply 198August 25, 2021 10:56 PM

You’re asking for another Civil War if Newsom is not recalled.

by Anonymousreply 199August 25, 2021 10:58 PM

Vote yes on the recall or your voting rights will be revoked altogether if we need a fucking constitutional amendment to do it.

by Anonymousreply 200August 25, 2021 10:59 PM

I cannot believe the people who sign the petition for the dangerous recall effort. This is not funny. This is dangerous. You need to stop this. VOTE NO. Stop this. We cannot let anyone on that list become our next governor this is crazy.

Vote no-against the recall and keep gavin newsom in office. PLEASE. This is dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 201August 25, 2021 11:00 PM

Either Gavin goes or California loses its statehood.

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by Anonymousreply 202August 25, 2021 11:00 PM

You're funny, r202.

by Anonymousreply 203August 25, 2021 11:03 PM

Oh my goodness, r200, how do you come up with such foolishness? You're so silly.

by Anonymousreply 204August 25, 2021 11:05 PM

Nothing but ad hominem attacks and mental health slurs. No substance yet.

Vote Yes on the recall or do not fucking vote at all.

by Anonymousreply 205August 25, 2021 11:31 PM

Vote NO on the first question of your ballot. This is a voting resource for you all too.

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by Anonymousreply 206August 25, 2021 11:44 PM

Oh, r205, don't you realize how unhinged your posts are? You aren't convincing anybody with your drama and your lies.

by Anonymousreply 207August 26, 2021 12:22 AM

How many registered Republican' are falling for this dangerous recall election? I thought the California republican party was supposed to be Moderate. Now, they are Covid Hoaxers and Fascist. If you are a sane Republican and Independent, we need you to VOTE NO, against this recall and keep Gavin Newsom in office. This is dangerous. We are having a serious Pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 208August 26, 2021 2:58 AM

Well, at least California's Democratic leaders appear to have finally come to their senses and improved their message:

* Boldly tell people to vote 'no' for #1, and explain why ("defeat the recall & keep Newsom"), then

* shut up and leave it at that (instead of creeping people out with bizarre instructions to "leave #2 blank" in total contradiction of common sense & sanity, which made the first version literally sound like something a Russian troll farm came up with.)

by Anonymousreply 209August 26, 2021 2:59 AM

Newsom got scared by the rightwing mob that went to Sacramento and opened too soon allowing Covid to sneak in and mow down the Latin community of California.

The Magas still recalled him. He didn't change the outcome by sacrificing the Latino community. He was better off remaining closed.

It's all about L.A county folks . Latinos vote, the governor will remain. There are not enough Republican votes to offset Los Angeles county.

by Anonymousreply 210August 26, 2021 3:27 AM

Stop the scaremongering. Gavin Newsom's party has a virtual monopoly on the state and they let it turn to shit on purpose. They are the ones who got richer while everyone else got poorer.

Vote yes on the recall. We literally cannot afford anymore of this shit.

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by Anonymousreply 211August 26, 2021 4:15 AM

R207: More mental health slurs, more hate speech, more projection.

Voting no is voting to kick more working families out into the streets.

by Anonymousreply 212August 26, 2021 4:15 AM

The fact that anyone from Gruesome's own party is running against him is proof that his administration is a complete failure.

by Anonymousreply 213August 26, 2021 4:17 AM

Gruesome, r213? Oh, the cute name calling has started to go with your scaremongering and your lies. You don't give a crap about California.

by Anonymousreply 214August 26, 2021 4:19 AM

Vote No!

by Anonymousreply 215August 26, 2021 4:23 AM

Exactly, r215. For any rational person reading this thread, please Ignore r213 and check his other posts in this thread. Vote NO, it's important for California that the Rethugs don't succeed at this take-over attempt.

by Anonymousreply 216August 26, 2021 4:28 AM

Vote Yes. Ignore R216 and his hateful screeds against anyone challenging the power of oligarchs.

by Anonymousreply 217August 26, 2021 4:49 AM

R214, you're engaging in psychological projection as usual. People are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet and he is getting richer and richer. Wake the fuck up. Stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed by media industrial complex propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 218August 26, 2021 4:50 AM

Yes, Comrade r218, will do.....snicker.

by Anonymousreply 219August 26, 2021 4:52 AM

Bully-laughter is another sign of a bootlicker of the oligarchy.

by Anonymousreply 220August 26, 2021 4:53 AM

Is that what it is, r220? Well, my stars.

by Anonymousreply 221August 26, 2021 4:55 AM

Vote yes or leave the country.

by Anonymousreply 222August 26, 2021 4:57 AM

You can't push a button and ignore poverty.

by Anonymousreply 223August 26, 2021 5:21 AM

r213, no, it's basic common sense to hedge your bets. None of the nominal Democrats running as potential replacements are more desirable than Newsom, but they're STILL better than the Republicans who'd be guaranteed to win if 50%+1 of voters choose 'yes' and ONLY Republicans were on the list of potential replacements.

It's a fine line. You don't want to encourage any Democrats to vote 'yes' in the hope of replacing Newsom with a Democrat they like better, but you ALSO don't want to risk handing the Governor's office to a Republican for lack of a Democrat if Newsom ends up losing by 50 votes.

The original "leave #2 blank" mantra was *creepy*, and made lots of people MISTRUST and DISMISS the original message precisely BECAUSE it sounded so bizarre, counter-intuitive, and just plain weird & cult-like.

by Anonymousreply 224August 26, 2021 5:28 AM

You gonna make me, r222? Huh, tough boy?

by Anonymousreply 225August 26, 2021 5:30 AM

Meanwhile in Hobbitville (New Zealand),

The entire country lockdown with one single case of Covid. The Prime Minster there is well respected because she is keeping them safe.

by Anonymousreply 226August 26, 2021 5:35 AM

Meanwhile is the Land of Hobbits, aka New Zealand...

The entire country locksdown when there is a single case of Covid.

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by Anonymousreply 227August 26, 2021 5:37 AM

I wish who keeps saying to leave the second question blank would just stop it.

Vote NO and vote in Democrat leading. For fucks sake if an unqualified dem gets in he can protect the senate seat and then get bumped out by a better DEM candidate in 2022. Why would you leave it blank, moron?

by Anonymousreply 228August 26, 2021 6:05 AM

The reason is the other ones are not real democrats. They are crazy and not qualified for this position. You can do a deep dive on them and come to the same conclusions. The people are this list are not qualified. This is why we have to keep Gavin Newsom in office. So please VOTE NO on the first question. We need to keep Gavin Newsom in office. Furthermore, it is mathematically improbable, a long shot.

Please VOTE NO.

by Anonymousreply 229August 26, 2021 6:11 AM

But who is the democratic leaning candidate? You can vote for someone, but they are not qualified. Gavin Newsom is very qualified. He is smart and hard working. We really have to keep him.

Vote NO, on the first question. This is a vote against the recall. This keeps Gavin Newsom in office.

by Anonymousreply 230August 26, 2021 6:13 AM

There is no reason to believe doing the same things over and over will yield better results. Vote yes and clean up this mess.

by Anonymousreply 231August 26, 2021 7:09 AM

r230, you are only providing partial information. You need to add that if someone wants to recall Newsom, then they should vote Yes.

by Anonymousreply 232August 26, 2021 7:10 AM

I do not want this recall. I do not want to take a chance on any of these crazy on that list. I want Sane and Responsible Gavin Newsom.

I am voting NO on the first question. I urge you all to do the same. I do not want California to descend into a Covid Hellscape.

by Anonymousreply 233August 26, 2021 10:23 AM

[quote] I eat piles and piles and piles AND PILES! of shit.

You mean the piles of shit that the homeless are leaving all over California?

by Anonymousreply 234August 26, 2021 1:05 PM

[quote] You gonna make me, [R222]? Huh, tough boy?

Oh, Mary! I love it when you butch it up!

by Anonymousreply 235August 26, 2021 1:06 PM

Republicans are willing to do anything for power

by Anonymousreply 236August 26, 2021 1:10 PM

I have talons, r235, and I know how to use them. Jungle Red!

by Anonymousreply 237August 26, 2021 4:25 PM

r229, it may not be possible. I know diehard democrats that hate Newsom. They own property and the eviction ban and homeless stuff has pissed them off. He may be recalled and if you don't vote for no. 2 we will be stuck with Larry Elder, who isn't qualified and is also a insincere profiteer who will say anything for money. He has no beliefs, fake Trumpist and just goes where he needs to so he can be that paid black friend.

Listen I get that Newsom is better than all those smucks running and the idea of someone being governor who gets <20% of the electorate but if we don't have him and he gets impeached it MUST be a democrat. Districts are being redrawn and Feinstein is the new Bader Ginsberg. It's not all about him and keeping him in power. He is down after 2022 anyway.

by Anonymousreply 238August 26, 2021 5:30 PM

r232, but what of his replacement. Just wanting to recall him isn't smart if the alternative is worse. Who is the better alternative.

If you don't like Newsom, support and back a primary challenger for the '22 election.

by Anonymousreply 239August 26, 2021 5:32 PM

Vote NO...

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by Anonymousreply 240August 26, 2021 5:37 PM

R229, by definition, if one or more people listed as choices for #2 are registered Democrats, they're Democrats. They might not be cooperative, compliant members of the Democratic Party's inner circle, but that doesn't mean they're likely to turn around and appoint a Republican to replace Feinstein if she dies in the next year (which is the single most important reason to vote against Faulconer for #2, even if he's otherwise palatable).

This isn't the time for Democrats to descend into Republican tactics & start calling everyone DINOs. The Democrats in #2 aren't PREFERABLE to Newsom, but they're still preferable to any Republican if Newsom loses #1.

Democrats are supposed to be educated, high-information voters capable of critical thought, not Deplorables bleating simple slogans like sheep. In the Bay Area, a message like "leave #2 blank" goes down like a lead balloon & ANTAGONIZES Newsom's base.

by Anonymousreply 241August 26, 2021 5:41 PM

Send this incompetent pretty boy packing!

by Anonymousreply 242August 26, 2021 6:19 PM

Newp, r242, just...

by Anonymousreply 243August 26, 2021 6:21 PM

Just Say NO !

by Anonymousreply 244August 26, 2021 6:32 PM

If progress requires Newsom to be recalled, then there it is. You can’t stand in the way of progress.

by Anonymousreply 245August 26, 2021 7:26 PM

R243 glorp?

by Anonymousreply 246August 26, 2021 8:06 PM

Vote NO

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by Anonymousreply 247August 26, 2021 8:11 PM

Larry Elder is the Black face of white supremacy. You’ve been warned

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by Anonymousreply 248August 26, 2021 8:24 PM

On the positive side, it’s nice that Californians are willing to replace a white guy with a POC.

by Anonymousreply 249August 26, 2021 9:12 PM

Larry Elder is the product of woke. Stop trying to flip it.

by Anonymousreply 250August 26, 2021 9:14 PM

BECAUSE OF WOKE AND BLM SHIT, R249.

by Anonymousreply 251August 26, 2021 9:14 PM

R248 is the male face of extreme retardation.

by Anonymousreply 252August 26, 2021 10:19 PM

That's not nice to say about Elder, r252.

by Anonymousreply 253August 26, 2021 10:44 PM

R252 is the face of Russian trolls. No smart person would support a clown like Elder

by Anonymousreply 254August 29, 2021 1:01 AM

'The battle just begins.' Recall backers say toppling Newsom only first step in changing California

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The day after Gov. Gavin Newsom is recalled — when and if it happens — Kellie Adolph will breathe a whole lot easier. Ka'ren Ketendjian says his morning coffee will go down smoother. Erik Traeger hopes and expects business at his Fresno CrossFit gym to pick back up again.

Rand Paul Claims 'Hatred for Trump' Hindering Research Into Ivermectin as COVID… 'Mini-Trump' DeSantis 'more of a lunatic' than Trump, says Dr. Dean…

The day after Gov. Gavin Newsom is recalled — when and if it happens — Kellie Adolph will breathe a whole lot easier. Ka'ren Ketendjian says his morning coffee will go down smoother. Erik Traeger hopes and expects business at his Fresno CrossFit gym to pick back up again.

"We will be freer," said Ketendjian, 59, a workers compensation attorney, who is counting on Newsom's replacement to immediately repeal the mask and vaccine mandates that he and the others believe have strangled the economy and suffocated individual rights.

"I'm going to wake my kids up at 6 o'clock in the morning and I'm going to tell ’em, 'Get ready for school, girls, you're going without a mask!'" said Sean Soares, 40, who has pulled his two teenage daughters from class rather than comply with the COVID-19 coverup required by the local school board.

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by Anonymousreply 255August 29, 2021 1:18 AM

Time for a woman Governor who is beautiful, eloquent, dazzling, giving, accomplished, and an intellectual icon.

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by Anonymousreply 256August 29, 2021 1:30 AM

Vote Yes and vote for Larry Elder or we are going to expel all white people from California.

by Anonymousreply 257August 29, 2021 1:32 AM

"What a pretty little girl you are....can I try your panties on?"

by Anonymousreply 258August 29, 2021 1:33 AM

Again with your racist stink, r257?

by Anonymousreply 259August 29, 2021 1:34 AM
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