Jennifer Lopez deserved a Grammy for her “This Is Me…Then” (2002) album

The opening song. The album starts off strong and fierce. Love it!

Dear Ben

And now they’re back together. Full circle.

OP: no.

Her album AKA was actually really, really good. She was going back to her hip-hop roots. Her song "Worry No More" was excellent r&b with weird subliminal vocals.

That album flopped hard r4

Her roots are more dance.

She also looked her best at that point

The only album of hers that’s worthwhile

Must be some good shit you're smoking, OP.

r4 I really like that album, but she just threw a bunch of themes on a wall in the hopes of another "On The Floor" which I always thought to be overhyped. OTF needed a stronger beat in my opinion.

The "This Is Me...Then" album was boring, but she has never looked better then she did on that cover. Like a latina Britney Spears.

OTF has a strong beat, and builds.

She doesn't contribute to any of her music. She basically lets talented producers and backup singers (with whole choruses) do everything and she just talks her vocals over the finished product. I don't like how the Grammys are just easily given away nowadays. I know it's always been about popularity but giving it to pop artists who do nothing creatively (don't write, don't play instruments, don't produce, can't sing) is a joke.

Jlo is a good entertainer but she got awards for MTV Video Vanguard (she has no groundbreaking videos) and an Icon Award (how is she iconic?). Madonna, Janet, Beyonce and Britney have more iconic videos and moments. The only iconic thing JLo did is that green Versace dress.

OMG, how awful to have a song called "Dear Ben"! Barfaroo!

Jenny from the Block was so laughable. People from the Bronx will let you know Jenny ain't hood and she never gave anything back. Her family strikes me as whitewashed Puerto Ricans. She didn't even grow up speaking Spanish like many in her generation. Rosie Perez exposed her ass. She only fucked with Keenan Wayans and Puffy for her career.

Rosie Perez doesn’t like J Lo?

I just listened to the song "Dear Ben" for the first time. I don't think the English language has a word for the feeling one gets when one is embarrassed for someone else. That's what it felt like.

The OP is the poster who has been red-tagged at least TWICE, and now we can't E-ven type out his naMe.

Lol, good one OP.

R17 it actually has some good songs.

R18.

I always wondered if she resented this album because of its tie to Ben Affleck, after the broke up, of course.

Now she can love it again.

If J Lo deserved a grammy for anything musical, then so did Ashlee Simpson.

She’s a moderately talented slapper with a keen eye on the bottom line. Well preserved. Tends towards desperation in pushing her profile.

I really would not mind her at all if I didn't hear so many stories about her being such an awful, nasty person and bully. She is reportedly very rude to people she sees as "below her" like restaurant staff and film crews. She will tell them not to look her in the eyes and purposely made messes to get them to clean it up. Rosie Perez who hired her for In Living Color, even said none of the other Fly Girls liked JLo for her manipulative and bitchy behavior. She even shows her attitude herself. She had an interview back when Selena was released where she was bashing Salma Hayek, Gwyneth Paltrow, Madonna and others for being untalented. Then she name drops Rosie Perez in a very recent interview, saying she avoided the stereotypical roles that Rosie got (ironic as Rosie never played maids and strippers like JLo has).

She is also a troll, she will post "All Lives Matter", "Bronx Girl Magic" and call herself "Negrita from the Bronx". She knows that pisses off Black people but Afro-Latinos have been calling her nonsense.

Latinos are Latinos. Stop trying to segregate them in the states. They’ve always lived amongst each other in the states.

Lies

Not lies.

[quote] Latinos are Latinos. Stop trying to segregate them in the states. They’ve always lived amongst each other in the states.

Latino is a term that was coined by the French to form a hypothetical empire of Caribbean, Central and South America based on the fact they all spoke Romance languages. Latino is a not race.

A lot of White (European) and Light-skinned (mixed race) Latinos do look down on Brown (Indigenous) and Black (African) Latinos. Latin America was founded on genocide and colonization and there is hierarchy based on skin color. White European features are associated with wealth and you see models and actors of mostly European extraction in Latin American media. Puerto Rico and Cuba both literally whitened up their populations to outbred the Black slave and freed mixed race population by encouraging Europeans to immigrate there in the late 19th century. As opposed to the British colonizers who banned interracial sex and marriage and preferred to just kill or expel Natives. The Spanish, Portuguese and French preferred to intermarry in order to create a population that could be assimilated into European culture and supremacy. It didn't fully work as Caribbean countries and Brazil are both heavily African influenced in music, food, dance and clothing but the racism and colorism is still there. Jennifer Lopez is mostly of European descent (she's actually pale as snow without sunless tanner) just like many Puerto Ricans and she probably have a grandparent who is Black. But that doesn't mean she isn't colorist and doesn't look down on Black and darker-skinned Puerto Ricans. Puerto Ricans did live in or near African-American neighborhoods but not by their choice but by Jim Crow era housing segregation and One-Drop Rule which dictated they were Black too. Some definitely embrace Black culture like Rosie Perez (though she's visibly Afro-Puerto Rican too) and Fat Joe who also will say Puerto Ricans are a tri-racial group (white, black and Taíno). But some like Jennifer Lopez would be more than happy to be seen as "white" and accepted into the white upper class circles. There are also Black Puerto Ricans who would be indistinguishable from Jamaicans and Dominicans but you never see them properly represented because most of them just blend into African-American culture like Meagan Good, Rosario Dawson and Lala Anthony.

Cubans in Miami are mostly to completely Spanish European because they descended from the wealthy landowners who fled Cuba when Castro took over. They are very racist to Black people in Miami actually and I'm sure they may treat Black Cubans a bit better but still have a sense of superiority.

Again, in the USA USA USA (let me say it 3 times so maybe the make-believe highly educated men on here understand) Latinos of all colors have lived in specific areas with each other. “White” Latinos were not considered white 50 years ago unless they changed their last names and made sure to not speak Spanish, no accent etc.

The lie I see on here about Desi Arnaz is a lie. “He never faced racism or prejudice because he’s white”. Not true and not how it works.

R28 OK and the White and light-skinned Latinos were still racist to darker-skinned Latinos and Black Latinos just like the Irish and Italians were racist towards African-Americans. There is serious colorism and anti-Blackness in the Latino community that needs to be addressed.

It's the samples of masterful R&B songs from the 60s and 70s that give this album its seemingly (to those with challenged taste) "masterful" veneer. Take those away and these songs barely exist.

R30 The samples are what made these songs listenable honestly. Also a lot of the backup vocals are nice. Natasha Ramos did her thing.

The album was good period.

R28

Upper-class white Cubans like Desi Arnaz got on fine. Cuba had big pure white population of landowners and it was an American territory. Desi had no Indigenous or African features at all, if he did then he would not have had any type of career especially back then. Same with Rita Hayworth or Ramon Navarro, they looked like regular Europeans. Rudolph Valentino, Sal Mineo and Frank Sinatra were Sicilian looking and they did just fine. As long as you didn't look BLACK or INDIGENOUS, you got on fine. A lot of Hollywood male actors were very tanned skin actually.

Puerto Ricans and Dominicans were harshly affected by Jim Crow. Because they had far more Black and Indigenous blood and visible Black or Indigenous features and America was based on anti-Blackness, anti-Indigenous and one-Drop rule. Most of PR and DR immigrants were either working class or middle class. That's also a big reason why Mexicans face a lot of backlash, most of them who come to the States are the working class from Southern Mexico and have heavy Indigenous features. If they looked like the 6-foot tall, blonde, blue-eyed film and TV actors from Mexico they would get a different reaction.

Grammy? Are you fucking kidding me? This was from the actress (and I use that term loosely) that cried because she didn't get an Oscar nom from playing a stripper.

J. Lo complains all the time. She complained about not getting the awards she wants, complained about people criticizing her singing ability, complained about not being able to buy the Mets team, etc. She needs to be grateful she has the big career she has, she still gets booked for big events and is still a famous name.

R34, that's the best thing I"ve seen all day.

I love how Rosie Perez exposed her for being a piece of shit. J Lo acted like Rosie didn't exist after she hit it big and Rosie let her have it a few years later.

I love Rosie Perez. She is a solid comedic and dramatic actress.

Just wanted to say that.

R38, she is. And unlike J Lo, she really does seem like she's a hardcore chick from the Bronx.

JLo should have won an Oscar for her role as Slim in Enough. This song as well. Stunning.

R40 I can agree that she's a decent actress. I don't mind seeing her in movies or TV shows. She showed strength in Out of Sight, Selena, Anaconda, The Cell and Enough. But her attempts at singing is something she could really do without, her tone is not very pleasant. She definitely improved enough to sing live nowadays with a vocal coach. She can dance but is better in a dance group or as a carnival diva.

I liked her in The Cell, but mostly because of the surreal visuals

OMG, all these JLo movies suck. I mean, seriously? Some of you gays are so vapid and superficial. Read a FUCKING book.

Sometimes dumb, unimportant movies are fun, for all sorts of people. Even educated people.

I'm surprised nobody posted this yet.

I don't mind her for what she is but she's no musical artist. The album OP mentions was thrown together in 2 weeks with minimal participation from JLO. She would come to the studio in the evenings after filming a movie, sing and leave.

Why should she get a Grammy for turning up?

Yeah I don’t know what enjoying a stupid movie has to do with education. Movies are for escapism, not education.

I haven't listened to the album since it was released so my memory of it is fuzzy. But what i do remember is that i had to review it for the magazine i worked for at the time. We had a "one star minimum" policy for all reviews, otherwise it would have gotten zero stars.

JLo is my GURL! She’s still from the block, keepin It REAL! This video says it ALL!

This is a fetish thread.

R48 what magazine?

Bitch can’t sing.

Bitch can't sing (2)

OP, is your name something like Mary Maria Marie Molly Polly Mare Mamie Mitzi Mae Mary? Usually with at least three exclamation points?

We [italic]knew[italic] that was you.

I'll take her seriously when the REAL vocalists are credited on her albums.

Not an international magazine [R51]. I'm in Asia.

She'd be stupid to not try to start a franchise for "The Cell." A pot smoking psychologist who does freaky deep dives into the minds of criminals seems kind of evergreen and would get butts in seats for Imax. The director was amazong. A prestige horror franchise would be good for her.

She spent the first 30 years of her career trying not to let her pussy hang out of the clothes she was wearing.

If that ain't Grammy-worthy, I don't know what is.

Grammys usually reward either huge hits or groundbreaking, uniquealmost experimental work.

Just being "good" doesn't usually garner nominations

R59 bwahahaha sure

The Grammy Awards are so political. All about greasing palms and glad handing. Just like the Oscars and GGs and other entertainment industry awards. It’s seldom about the best.

Who deserves what for what?

I’d gladly give her a Grammy for staying out of the recording studio.

She’s releasing a sequel album to this one next year.

Tori Amos and Sixpence None The Richer had better albums that year

Did someone pay you a quarter for this thread, OP?

Holy shit, now there's a JLobot on DL?

R67 no. The album is amazing though

No she didn’t deserve a Grammy for this.

The reason why she's crying is not because her talent hasn't been recognized. She is crying because probably no one knows better that ALL the awards are extremely political and are bought and paid for with money and power exchanges. And NO ONE in my opinion has played the game harder, whored herself out to the industry to get ahead more and is a constant source of income for tabloids than Jennifer Lopez. She has made money for every area of the entertainment industry through constant promotion of herself as a brand with both positive softball pieces and negative personal stories. So that is why she feels she deserves it all. And in a way, given the game, she should.

I mean while Gwenyth Paltrow is accepting Oscars without ever having to admit she took Harvey's yellow jizz all over her face and tits, everyone knows JLo is getting stretched out by the Wayan Brothers and literally riding shotgun for PDiddy, running red lights and getting chased by the cops. And at 50 she still is tight as a drum, hanging from stripper poles at the Super Bowl and dancing for her life and career.

[quote] The reason why she's crying is not because her talent hasn't been recognized.

Especially since' there's not talent to be recognized. Since there is no talent.

R72 her talent, like so many others as "talented" as her, is Ambition.

R73, correct. Wish we could go back to the days where people wouldn't use dancing as a distraction from their mediocre music.

Nice try JHo.

JLo will not get a Grammy unless she's a featured artist on either a Latin song or an EDM song (as in, she needs to have a threesome with David Geutta, Ben, and heself to get a spot on one of his songs and then do a stripping pole routine in the video)

Music industry people hate JLo. She had Ashanti, Wynter Gordon, and Christina Milian sjng most of the choruses to the songs...she's considered a cop-out, a fake, a phony. Her vocal tone is not that bad, but she is lazy. Even Britney was slaving away in the studio doing vocal takes to create 100 layers of vocals that were Melodyne'd into a melody.

R1 She’s barely on this song! She’s a feature!

This is the background singer featuring J. Lo. The background singer carries the whole song.

Excellent businesswoman / self promoter / whore. Great dancer, passable actress (I liked the movie Blood & Wine - she held her own opposite Jack Nicholson, Judy Davis and Michael Caine). But not a great singer or musician at all. I grew up with her early radio songs when I was a kid and she does have a nice catalogue of catchy urban hits that defined the era (If You Had My Love, Ain't it Funny, Waiting for Tonight, Let's Get Loud, All I Have, Love Don't Cost a Thing, Get Right, Jenny From the Block, Do It Well).

My sister had the CD that OP mentions when we were kids, and I regret to admit but it was very well put together and packaged. Had a cosy, wintery NYC vibe that she smartly promoted in the music videos. Nice tasteful production with a good mix of live instruments and street beats (she used Mary J Blige's producers and you can tell). The background vocals were lush and sweet, the whole sound is very girlish and soft. I can remember my sister listening to it on her walkman wearing a pink velour sweat suit (lol). J. Lo probably had very little to do with its creation, but it's not bad. Still wouldn't give it a Grammy, there were too many good neo soul albums out at the time.

[quote]I grew up with her early radio songs when I was a kid and she does have a nice catalogue of catchy urban hits that defined the era

You were a kid when she made hits? Are you even old enough to drink legally yet?

R79 you do realize Waiting for Tonight came out over twenty-three years ago?

^And? You’re a kid!

r81, no but a someone who was a kid 23 years ago would be old enough to drink now to answer r79's question.

R79 I'll be 30 soon. She was very big with all these songs when I was young.