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Sondheim’s quintessential lyric?

I’ll start: “I still want and/or love you.”

by Anonymousreply 511January 19, 2022 6:34 PM

You gotta have a gimmick if you want to get ahead.

by Anonymousreply 1July 25, 2021 1:50 PM

It's not so much do what you like as it is that you like what you do.

by Anonymousreply 2July 25, 2021 3:38 PM

Nice is different than good.

by Anonymousreply 3July 25, 2021 3:43 PM

City on fire!

by Anonymousreply 4July 25, 2021 3:45 PM

You have to move on.

by Anonymousreply 5July 25, 2021 4:12 PM

Anything you do, let it come from you, then it will be new. Give us more to see.

by Anonymousreply 6July 25, 2021 4:13 PM

Maybe you could show me how to let go, / Lower my guard, / Learn to be free. / Maybe if you whistle, / Whistle for me.

by Anonymousreply 7July 25, 2021 4:18 PM

It’s not so much do what you like as it is like what you do.

by Anonymousreply 8July 25, 2021 4:20 PM

But with the Schlitz in her mitts down at Fitzroy's Bar

She thinks of the Ritz so it's so schizo

by Anonymousreply 9July 25, 2021 4:22 PM

Don't you love farce?

My thought I fear.

I thought that you'd want what I want.

Sorry, my dear.

But where are the clowns?

by Anonymousreply 10July 25, 2021 4:24 PM

So many wrong words in these quotes, including mine.

I think we’re all stoned this morning.

by Anonymousreply 11July 25, 2021 4:28 PM

I know how I want you to say goodbye

by Anonymousreply 12July 25, 2021 4:37 PM

I chose and my world was shaken, so what?

The choice may have been mistaken, the choosing was not.

You have to move on.

by Anonymousreply 13July 25, 2021 4:39 PM

Someone is on your side Someone else is not While you’re seeing your side Maybe you forgot They are not alone No one is alone

by Anonymousreply 14July 25, 2021 4:48 PM

"And one for Mahler!"

by Anonymousreply 15July 25, 2021 5:02 PM

"We have so much in common, it's a phenomenon."

Such a lovely, dreamy kind of lyric.

by Anonymousreply 16July 25, 2021 5:06 PM

stuffed the dailies in my shoes

by Anonymousreply 17July 25, 2021 5:09 PM

Every day a little death.

by Anonymousreply 18July 25, 2021 5:12 PM

Anything can happen in the woods.

by Anonymousreply 19July 25, 2021 5:53 PM

Those smug little men with their smug little schemes

They forgot one thing:

The play isn't over by a long shot yet!

There are heroes in the world,

Princes are heroes in the world,

And one of them will save us.

Wait and see!

Wait and see!

by Anonymousreply 20July 25, 2021 5:55 PM

I feel pretty

by Anonymousreply 21July 25, 2021 6:03 PM

RIFF Womb to tomb!

TONY Sperm to worm!

by Anonymousreply 22July 25, 2021 6:27 PM

Sticks and stones may break my bones

But chains and whips excite me

Wait, do you mean lyrics BY Sondheim, or ABOUT him?

by Anonymousreply 23July 25, 2021 6:45 PM

There — can you read?

Good! We will need

Two ports

One of them not to rocky

How about Nagasaki?

Two ports

One of them for the cocoa

What do you call it? — Yoko

Hama! Ja!

Und Nagasaki! Ja!

Sign here!

by Anonymousreply 24July 25, 2021 6:54 PM

Once, yes, once for a lark

Twice, though, loses the spark

As I said to the abbot

I'll get in the habit

But not in the habit

You've my highest regard

And I know that it's hard

Still, no matter the vice

I'd never do anything twice

by Anonymousreply 25July 25, 2021 6:57 PM


oh dear

by Anonymousreply 26July 25, 2021 9:52 PM

It's a city of strangers

Some come to work, some to play

A city of strangers

Some come to stare, some to stay

And every day

The ones who stay

Can find each other in the crowded streets and the guarded parks

By the rusty fountains and the dusty trees with the battered barks

And they walk together past the postered walls with the crude remarks

And they meet at parties through the friends-of-friends, who they never know

"Will you pick me up, or do I meet you there, or shall we let it go?

Did you get my message? 'Cause I looked in vain

Can we see each other Tuesday if it doesn't rain?

Look, I'll call you in the morning, or my service'll explain."

And another hundred people just got off of the train

by Anonymousreply 27July 25, 2021 10:03 PM

It's the fragment, not the day It's the pebble, not the stream It's the ripple, not the sea That is happening Not the building but the beam Not the garden but the stone Only cups of tea And history And someone in a tree

by Anonymousreply 28July 25, 2021 10:07 PM

Loud, or lewd, or la-de-da-de:

Ev'rything to ev'rybody!

by Anonymousreply 29July 25, 2021 10:09 PM

I'm yawning as I read.

by Anonymousreply 30July 25, 2021 10:24 PM

Oh, Jerry at R30, we all know YOUR quintessential lyric:

“So I put my hand in here

I put my hand in there”

by Anonymousreply 31July 25, 2021 10:39 PM

I don't know how I let you

So far inside my mind

But there you are and there you will stay

by Anonymousreply 32July 25, 2021 11:03 PM

[quote] Oh, Jerry at [R30], we all know YOUR quintessential lyric:

"With you it looks good,

With you it looks great,

With you it looks grand!"

by Anonymousreply 33July 25, 2021 11:05 PM

"What's the muddle in thee middle?

That's the puddle where the poodle did the piddle."

Too clever by half and takes me right out of the show every time.

by Anonymousreply 34July 25, 2021 11:09 PM

R31: Life is a celebration with you on my arm!

by Anonymousreply 35July 25, 2021 11:11 PM

Al-a-mo Remember the Al-a-mo-oh....

by Anonymousreply 36July 25, 2021 11:13 PM

A false alarm

A broken arm

An imitation Hitler

And with littler


But oh, can that boy f... oxtrot!

by Anonymousreply 37July 25, 2021 11:14 PM

Loving you is not a choice

by Anonymousreply 38July 25, 2021 11:16 PM

And not much reason to rejoice!

by Anonymousreply 39July 25, 2021 11:17 PM

I'm not well, so I'm not getting married (today).

by Anonymousreply 40July 25, 2021 11:18 PM

I sort of hate to ask it

But do you have a basket?

by Anonymousreply 41July 25, 2021 11:23 PM

Someone to need you too much

Someone to read you too well

Someone to bleed you of all the things you don’t want to tell

That’s happily ever after

Ever, ever after

In hell

by Anonymousreply 42July 25, 2021 11:23 PM

It isn't only Paul who would be ruining his life

You know, we'll both of us be losing our identities

I telephoned my analyst about it, and he said to see him Monday

But by Monday I'll be floating in the Hudson with the other garbage.

by Anonymousreply 43July 25, 2021 11:25 PM

You're sorry-grateful


Why look for answers

Where none occur?

You always are

What you always were

Which has nothing to do with

All to do with her

by Anonymousreply 44July 25, 2021 11:25 PM

I always liked “ Crazy business this, this life we live in-” and “I, too, have a cornu-Copia of imperfections.”

He really is a master lyricist.

by Anonymousreply 45July 26, 2021 12:21 AM

Fat whores rejoice!

by Anonymousreply 46July 26, 2021 12:27 AM

Sounds more like Oscar Hammerstein to me, R46.

by Anonymousreply 47July 26, 2021 12:31 AM

Have a little priest

by Anonymousreply 48July 26, 2021 12:32 AM

Sometimes she drinks in bed

Sometimes he’s homosexual

But why be vicious?

They keep it out of sight

Good show!

They’re gonna be alright…

by Anonymousreply 49July 26, 2021 12:43 AM

Don't say that one around Catholic boys, R48!

by Anonymousreply 50July 26, 2021 12:57 AM

Going a bit further...

Crazy business this, this life we live in.

Can't complain about the time we're given.

With so little to be sure of in this world.

by Anonymousreply 51July 26, 2021 2:44 AM

Look perhaps I'll collapse

in the apse, right before you all

so take back your cake,

burn the shoes and boil the rice!

by Anonymousreply 52July 26, 2021 4:25 AM

So life is ducky

And time goes flying

And I'm so lucky

I feel like crying,..

by Anonymousreply 53July 26, 2021 6:14 AM

Every day a little death

In the parlor, in the bed

In the curtains, in the silver

In the butter, in the bread

Every day a little sting

In the heart and in the head

Every move and every breath

And you hardly feel a thing

Brings a perfect little death

by Anonymousreply 54July 26, 2021 6:19 AM

But though I'll do my utmost To see you never frown, And though I'll try to cut most Of our expenses down. I've some traits, I warn you, To which you'll have objections. I, too, have a cornu- Copia of imperfections.

by Anonymousreply 55July 26, 2021 6:24 AM

Make that:

But though I'll do my utmost

To see you never frown,

And though I'll try to cut most

Of our expenses down.

I've some traits, I warn you,

To which you'll have objections.

I, too, have a cornu-

Copia of imperfections.

by Anonymousreply 56July 26, 2021 6:26 AM

Why, when I speak, does he vanish?

Why is he acting so clannish?

I wish I understood Spanish

When I tell him I think he's the end

He giggles a lot with his friend

by Anonymousreply 57July 26, 2021 6:35 AM

What would we do without you? Just what we usually do! Huff, huff, huff……

by Anonymousreply 58July 26, 2021 6:36 AM

The theme song of the misogynist eldergays of DL: "There's Always A Woman"

Cherchez la femme.

There's always a woman

To spoil the illusion,

The rotten banana

That ruins the bunch.

There's always a woman

Who causes confusion.

There's nothing as low as a woman.

We must lunch.

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by Anonymousreply 59July 26, 2021 6:37 AM

The kind of love that she couldn't make fun of

She'd have none of.

by Anonymousreply 60July 26, 2021 12:06 PM

Why are his trousers vermilion?

Why does he claim he's Castilian?

Why do his friends call him Lillian?

by Anonymousreply 61July 26, 2021 12:12 PM

Sometimes when the wrappings fall

There's nothing underneath at all.

by Anonymousreply 62July 26, 2021 12:17 PM


She loves my voice, my walk, my mustache The cigar, in fact, that I'm smoking She'll watch me puff until it's just ash Then she'll save the cigar butt


Bizarre, but You're joking

by Anonymousreply 63July 26, 2021 12:31 PM

In the middle of the world we float

In the middle of the sea

The realities remain remote

In the middle of the sea

by Anonymousreply 64July 26, 2021 12:38 PM

"You must meet my wife."

"Let me get my hat and my knife!"

by Anonymousreply 65July 26, 2021 12:39 PM

God he’s a genius.

by Anonymousreply 66July 26, 2021 12:43 PM

Listen to the stories Hear it in the songs Angry men don’t write the rules And guns don’t right the wrongs

Hurts a while But soon the country’s Back where it belongs And that’s the truth

Still and all Damn you, Booth

by Anonymousreply 67July 26, 2021 12:49 PM

I wish

by Anonymousreply 68July 26, 2021 12:50 PM

Damn you, Lincoln, you righteous whore!

by Anonymousreply 69July 26, 2021 12:51 PM

Pretty isn't beautiful, Mother

Pretty is what changes

What the eye arranges

Is what is beautiful

by Anonymousreply 70July 26, 2021 12:51 PM

And take extra care with strangers

Even flowers have their dangers

And though scary is exciting

Nice is different than good

by Anonymousreply 71July 26, 2021 1:03 PM

Not quoting:

How do so many of us know all these wonderful words?

We must be as special as we assume.

by Anonymousreply 72July 26, 2021 1:06 PM

[quote]How do so many of us know all these wonderful words?

You never heard of Google? Or you just cannot think for yourself?

by Anonymousreply 73July 26, 2021 1:08 PM

And I'll try to make it easier to find me

In the stillness of July

Because of breeze might stir a rainbow up behind me

That might happen to catch a gentleman's eye

by Anonymousreply 74July 26, 2021 1:16 PM

"Safe words are for wimps."

by Anonymousreply 75July 26, 2021 1:31 PM

Um, r74, you know that that's Jerry Herman, right? Try quoting on of Jerry's fisting songs.

by Anonymousreply 76July 26, 2021 1:33 PM

Children will listen

by Anonymousreply 77July 26, 2021 1:33 PM

children may not obey but children will listen

by Anonymousreply 78July 26, 2021 2:04 PM

Yes I wanted to show an example of a beautiful lyric that appears effortless and which does not trumpet the sweating over every word.

by Anonymousreply 79July 26, 2021 2:10 PM

"Shepherd's pie peppered

With actual shepherd

On top"

owns this thread.

by Anonymousreply 80July 26, 2021 2:14 PM

Some people got it and make it pay

Some people can’t even give it away

by Anonymousreply 81July 26, 2021 2:15 PM

"Something appealing, something appalling" et al. from "Comedy Tonight" was so early in his career—and has proved amazingly durable and smart.

by Anonymousreply 82July 26, 2021 2:17 PM

Some people sit on their butts

Got the dream, yeah, but not the guts.

He was brilliant to put those otherwise vulgar words into the mouth of Ethel Merman to belt to the rafters. You get the entire character, her drive and her great limitations, in those two lines.

by Anonymousreply 83July 26, 2021 2:19 PM

yes r83 he is better than almost anyone else at making the vernacular and diction character-appropriate. ([italic]That was not a cue for anyone to debate the Maria "I Feel Pretty" rhymes are too smart for the character story; we've heard it. Thanks anyway though.[/italic])

by Anonymousreply 84July 26, 2021 4:09 PM

This is how Samson was shorn;

Each in her style a



by Anonymousreply 85July 26, 2021 4:46 PM

Perpetual sunset is rather an unsettling thing.

by Anonymousreply 86July 26, 2021 4:49 PM

Some of us can quote just about every lyric Steve ever wrote. We are lifelong fans who have listened to every cast album so many times we've actually worn out CDs. Sondheim's music is emotionally satisfying. He speaks in ways and of things with which we can identify: love and all of its problems; ambivalence about life; loneliness and relationships; life and death... If you've ever had a broken heart, listen to "Not A Day Goes By" or "Good Thing Going" and you'll hear your experience in a cathartic way.

And to keep this on-topic:

Could I bury my rage

With a boy half your age

In the grass?

Bet your ass!

But I've done that already

Or didn't you know, love?

Tell me, how could I leave

When I left long ago, love?

by Anonymousreply 87July 26, 2021 5:01 PM

I need Steve to rewrite all his lyrics for my "Back to Broadway For The Last Time, I Promise" album.

by Anonymousreply 88July 26, 2021 6:50 PM

The hands on the clock turn but don't sing a nocturne just yet.

by Anonymousreply 89July 26, 2021 6:58 PM

You said you loved me. Or, were you just being kind?

by Anonymousreply 90July 26, 2021 7:42 PM

r87 they also manage to be satisfyingly clever and smart, [italic]usually[/italic] succeeding in tickling your brain without drawing undue attention to themselves. They insist on your attention and engagement without demanding them.

by Anonymousreply 91July 26, 2021 7:43 PM

A love as pure as breath

As permanent as death

Implacable as stone

A love that like a knife

Has cut into a life I wanted left alone

A love I may regret

But one I can't forget

by Anonymousreply 92July 26, 2021 8:39 PM

Let the moment go

Don't forget it for a moment, though

Just remembering you've had an "And"

When you're back to "or"

Makes me the "or" mean more than it did before.

by Anonymousreply 93July 26, 2021 8:50 PM

Why did you do it boy? Not just destroy the pride and joy of Illinois, but all the USA

by Anonymousreply 94July 26, 2021 8:51 PM

"I got through all of last year...

And I'm here"

There's something that always makes me well up a bit when I hear that line performed well. Haven't we all looked back on what's happened to us in our lives and thought "how the fuck did we make it through that?" and then smile with pride that we did and that we're still here?

by Anonymousreply 95July 26, 2021 8:52 PM

"Where's my prize? I deserve a fucking prize!"

If that doesn't sum up a majority of American psychos, Instahos, and reality stars, I don't know what does.

by Anonymousreply 96July 26, 2021 8:53 PM

Faced with these Loreleis

What man can moralize?

by Anonymousreply 97July 26, 2021 9:03 PM

When you're in a tizzy, dizzy wiz ze mutual detante!

by Anonymousreply 98July 26, 2021 9:06 PM

Sondheim has publicly denigrated Larry Hart but Hart was not only his peer but perhaps his better.

by Anonymousreply 99July 26, 2021 9:09 PM

Hart's lyrics were witty but sincere. Steve is "look how clever I am."

by Anonymousreply 100July 26, 2021 9:12 PM

Sondheim will never write a lyric as clever and magical as this gem:

I wanna be a part of B A, Buenos Aires, Big Apple.

by Anonymousreply 101July 26, 2021 9:14 PM

[quote] "I got through all of last year...And I'm here". There's something that always makes me well

Same, r95. That line always gets me as well.

by Anonymousreply 102July 26, 2021 9:17 PM

That's the sound of an audience losing its mind

Its the pope on his balcony blessing mankind

Folks, it's Funny Girl, Fiddler and Dolly combined

by Anonymousreply 103July 26, 2021 9:54 PM

If the tea the shogun drank

Will serve to keep the shogun tranq-


by Anonymousreply 104July 26, 2021 10:59 PM

R104 His friendship with Tom Lehrer paying off there

by Anonymousreply 105July 26, 2021 11:16 PM

Oh the flies on your pussy tell me how bad it stinks

by Anonymousreply 106July 26, 2021 11:33 PM

To find a rhyme for silver

Or any “rhymeless” rhyme

Requires only will, ver-

Bosity and time.

– Stephen Sondheim

(From a letter to the editor of Time magazine, May 24, 1971.)

by Anonymousreply 107July 26, 2021 11:58 PM

While her withers wither with her

by Anonymousreply 108July 26, 2021 11:58 PM

Shake it, shake it, shake it.

Until you break it, break it, break it

by Anonymousreply 109July 27, 2021 3:15 AM

But how can you know what you want til you get what you want and you see if you like it

by Anonymousreply 110July 27, 2021 3:23 AM

Oh, Sweeney!

Fuck me with your weenie!

by Anonymousreply 111July 27, 2021 3:47 AM

Just remembering you've had an "and"

When you're back to "or"

Makes the "or" mean more

Than it did before.

Now I understand...

And it's time to leave the woods!

by Anonymousreply 112July 27, 2021 4:10 AM

I'm ready to ask my mom,

"Can I got to the junior prom?"

Sheldon's got the Chevy!

by Anonymousreply 113July 27, 2021 4:28 AM

Why bother r113?

by Anonymousreply 114July 27, 2021 7:53 AM

But that was many years ago.... I doubt that anyone would know.

by Anonymousreply 115July 27, 2021 7:55 AM

A great, great thread.

It shows that Stephen Sondheim may be the most important gay artist of the 20th century. That we all respond so emotionally to so many different and varied lyrics, all by the same man. Spanning decades.

He's just monumentally important, aside from being the last of a dying breed.

by Anonymousreply 116July 27, 2021 8:10 AM

No fits, no fights, no feuds and no egos. Amigos. Together!

by Anonymousreply 117July 27, 2021 8:34 AM

Let the moment go

Don't forget it for a moment, though

Just remembering you've had an "and"

When you're back to "or"

Makes the "or" mean more

Than it did before

Now I understand

And it's time to leave the woods

by Anonymousreply 118July 27, 2021 8:49 AM

There's a part of you always standing by Mapping out the sky, finishing a hat Starting on a hat, finishing a hat Look, I made a hat Where there never was a hat,

by Anonymousreply 119July 27, 2021 8:55 AM

If I was a sculptor...but then again, no.

by Anonymousreply 120July 27, 2021 8:57 AM

It's your father's fault that the curse got placed

And the place got cursed in the first place!

by Anonymousreply 121July 27, 2021 9:09 AM

And though I'll think of you, I guess

Until the day I die

I think I miss you less and less

As every day goes by

by Anonymousreply 122July 27, 2021 9:11 AM

Year after year, older and older

Side by side

by Anonymousreply 123July 27, 2021 9:14 AM

Each day I see her pass

In my looking-glass

Lord, Lord, Lord, that woman is me!

by Anonymousreply 124July 27, 2021 9:18 AM




by Anonymousreply 125July 27, 2021 9:23 AM

I really hate to ask it But what's a rhyme for basket?

by Anonymousreply 126July 27, 2021 10:02 AM

Clamor for my drama!

by Anonymousreply 127July 27, 2021 10:15 AM

Sooner or later you’re gonna be mine…

by Anonymousreply 128July 27, 2021 10:27 AM

You're so [italic]nice[/italic] You're not good You're not bad You're just [italic]nice[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 129July 27, 2021 11:52 AM

Just remember:

Someone is on your side,

Someone else is not.

While we're seeing our side

Maybe we forgot:

They are not alone.

No one is alone.

by Anonymousreply 130July 27, 2021 11:58 AM

All the wondering what even worse is still in store

by Anonymousreply 131July 27, 2021 12:10 PM


by Anonymousreply 132July 27, 2021 12:13 PM

I've some business with her mother.

See, it's business.

Oh, no doubt! But the business with her mother Would be hardly the business I'd worry about.

by Anonymousreply 133July 27, 2021 1:05 PM

Most important artist, period, r116

by Anonymousreply 134July 27, 2021 1:11 PM

He needs me George, I mean he kneads me

by Anonymousreply 135July 27, 2021 1:19 PM

A maid! A maid? A maid? A maid!!!

by Anonymousreply 136July 27, 2021 1:31 PM

So which show is being cited here the most? [italic]Woods[/italic]?

by Anonymousreply 137July 27, 2021 2:13 PM

Skittering down the hallway

Flittering through the parlor

Tittering in the pantry

Littering up the bedroom

by Anonymousreply 138July 27, 2021 2:21 PM

"We lose things

And then we choose things

And there are Louis

And there are Georges



And George"

I always found that moment so poignant. It really captures that rebound relationship right after a really passionate affair breaks up. No one can compare. Sondheim is so great about capturing the human experience.

by Anonymousreply 139July 27, 2021 5:10 PM

I am going to the Lordy I am so glad

by Anonymousreply 140July 27, 2021 5:12 PM

Love is a lecture on how to correct yer mistakes

by Anonymousreply 141July 27, 2021 5:20 PM

It's intolerable being tolerated.

by Anonymousreply 142July 27, 2021 5:37 PM

Whatcha thinking? Barcelona. Oh …. Flight Eighteen.

by Anonymousreply 143July 27, 2021 7:17 PM

This stuff is all really mind-boggling.

by Anonymousreply 144July 27, 2021 9:41 PM

If you want to bump it, bump it with a trumpet.

by Anonymousreply 145July 27, 2021 10:39 PM

Here's to us.

Who's like us?

Damn few.

by Anonymousreply 146July 27, 2021 10:59 PM

That's actually Sondheim quoting Scottish poet Robert Burns, R146.

by Anonymousreply 147July 27, 2021 11:06 PM

...which is a toast that he and his Williams friends used--and that's why he used it in Merrily.

by Anonymousreply 148July 28, 2021 2:44 AM

Long as you ignore you’re the only thing that matters feeling!

by Anonymousreply 149July 28, 2021 5:40 AM

I meant - long as you ignore me you’re the only thing that matters feeling!

by Anonymousreply 150July 28, 2021 5:42 AM

[quote]I meant - long as you ignore me you’re the only thing that matters feeling!

We knew. We all knew. Every single one of us knew.

It's just that sort of thread.

by Anonymousreply 151July 28, 2021 12:48 PM

"Where are we to go? Where are we ever to go?"

by Anonymousreply 152July 28, 2021 1:05 PM

"And you think of all of the things you've seen, and you wish that you could live in between."

by Anonymousreply 153July 28, 2021 1:07 PM

"It justifies...the beans!"

by Anonymousreply 154July 28, 2021 1:08 PM

I’m someone to be loved. And that I learned from you.

by Anonymousreply 155July 28, 2021 1:10 PM

"You'll never get away from me." Love song, or threat?

by Anonymousreply 156July 28, 2021 2:04 PM



by Anonymousreply 157July 28, 2021 2:11 PM

Yup, that's the genius of it. [italic](That was kinda my point, but whatever.)[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 158July 28, 2021 2:12 PM

But Herbie gets away. It's Louise who doesn't.

by Anonymousreply 159July 28, 2021 2:14 PM

How can you slip and trip into a hipbath?

by Anonymousreply 160July 28, 2021 4:35 PM

Oh, no you don’t. No, not a chance. No arguments, shut up and dance.

by Anonymousreply 161July 28, 2021 6:06 PM

Depending on the actress playing Rose and her ability to portray warmth, "You'll Never Get Away From Me" can indeed be played as more threat than cute love song.

by Anonymousreply 162July 28, 2021 6:33 PM

My Dears...

by Anonymousreply 163July 28, 2021 6:53 PM

I got through Shirley Temple.

by Anonymousreply 164July 28, 2021 6:55 PM

I hate that line, r164!

by Anonymousreply 165July 28, 2021 6:57 PM

I got through Brenda Frazier!

by Anonymousreply 166July 28, 2021 6:57 PM

Sorry, r165, we posted at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 167July 28, 2021 7:02 PM

Danced in my shanties ...

by Anonymousreply 168July 28, 2021 7:22 PM


by Anonymousreply 169July 28, 2021 7:23 PM

I got through Barbara Walters.....LINE!!!!

by Anonymousreply 170July 28, 2021 7:54 PM

Pantaloons and tunics!

Courtesans and eunuchs!

Funerals and chases!

Baritones and basses!













by Anonymousreply 171July 28, 2021 9:20 PM

"Had heebie-jeebies for Beebe's bathysphere."

Even Sondheim can't nail them all.

by Anonymousreply 172July 28, 2021 9:24 PM

Sondheim really knew how to capture the culture around him. If I were to describe NYC in the 1970s, this would be part of it.

It's a city of strangers, Some come to work, some to play

A city of strangers, Some come to stare, some to stay

And every day, The ones who stay

Can find each other in the crowded streets and the guarded parks

By the rusty fountains and the dusty trees with the battered barks

And they walk together past the postered walls with the crude remarks

And they meet at parties through the friends-of-friends, who they never know

"Will you pick me up, or do I meet you there, or shall we let it go?

Did you get my message? 'Cause I looked in vain

Can we see each other Tuesday if it doesn't rain?

Look, I'll call you in the morning, or my service'll explain."

And another hundred people just got off of the train

by Anonymousreply 173July 28, 2021 9:28 PM

What R27 said...

by Anonymousreply 174July 28, 2021 10:16 PM

The maudlin sentimentality of the big "Into the Woods" ballads is cringeworthy to me. I already knew how popular they were, but sheesh!

I love that someone has sneaked in a Bernie Taupin lyric, he's also a genius!

by Anonymousreply 175July 29, 2021 12:29 AM

I’m Lovely! All I am is Lovely. Lovely is the one thing I can do!

by Anonymousreply 176July 29, 2021 12:33 AM

These helmets weigh alot on us

by Anonymousreply 177July 29, 2021 1:22 AM

Bump it like a strumpet!

by Anonymousreply 178July 29, 2021 3:23 AM

In view of her penchant for something romantic/DeSade is too trenchant and Dickens too frantic/And Stendhal would ruin the plan of attack/As there isn't much blue in The Red and the Black.

DeMaupassant's candor would cause her dismay/The Brontes are grander but not very gay/Her taste is much blander I'm sorry to say/But is Hans Christian Andersen ever risque?/Which eliminates A...

by Anonymousreply 179July 29, 2021 8:02 PM

I hear a crane making street repairs

A two ton child running wild upstairs

Steam pipes bang, sirens clang,

And what more do I need?

by Anonymousreply 180July 30, 2021 4:09 AM

Clothes don't make the man, God knows,

But I wouldn't be surprised if that man made those clothes.

by Anonymousreply 181July 30, 2021 5:36 AM

A love as pure as breath

As permanent as death

Implacable as stone.

(That's Bobby grown up.)

by Anonymousreply 182July 30, 2021 5:38 AM

In the depths of her interior

Were fears she was inferior,

And something even eerier...

But no one dared to query her

Superior exterior!

by Anonymousreply 183July 30, 2021 5:42 AM

This year Japan will export 16 million kilograms monosodium glutamate and 400,000 tons of polyvinyl chloride resin.


by Anonymousreply 184July 30, 2021 5:47 AM

BOTH: It could be so nice

If Momma got married to stay

LOUISE: But Momma gets married







LOUISE: Married


And never gets carried away

Oh, Momma...

Oh, Momma...

Oh, Momma...

Get married today!

by Anonymousreply 185July 30, 2021 8:27 AM

Startin' now I

Bat a thousand

This time boys I'M takin' the bows and




This time for ME

For me






by Anonymousreply 186July 30, 2021 8:36 AM

Someone in another thread recently mentioned how tasteless it was when Ethel bared her breasts during Rose's Turn.

"How ya like THEM eggrolls, MISTER Goldstone?"

by Anonymousreply 187July 30, 2021 8:44 AM

You should have seen what happened out of town before Ethel replaced Helen Lawson.


by Anonymousreply 188July 30, 2021 8:50 AM

Didn't Patti LewdPony perform an actual striptease and do the full monty during Rose's Turn? Isn't that why she screamed at a member of the audience one night after he threw up and yelled "No one wants to see that pussy and those droopy dachshunds, PLuP!"?

by Anonymousreply 189July 30, 2021 9:08 AM

R187 Mama like! Mama like!

by Anonymousreply 190July 30, 2021 9:13 AM

"...as pure as breath"

Uhhhhh... I dunno, Steve. I don't know about that one.

by Anonymousreply 191July 30, 2021 3:40 PM

All those photos up on the wall - with love filling the days, with love seventy ways.,,,,

by Anonymousreply 192July 31, 2021 9:24 AM

OK, now, everybody.....

by Anonymousreply 193July 31, 2021 9:28 AM

There's not a tune you can hum.

There's not a tune you go dum dum, dum dum, dum de dum,

You need a tune you can dum dum, dum dum, dum de dum,

Give me a melody!

Why can't you throw 'em a crumb?

What's wrong with letting 'em tap their toes a bit?

I'll let you know when Stravinsky has a hit.

Give me some melody!

by Anonymousreply 194July 31, 2021 9:37 AM

Did you hear what you just said, Kiddo?

by Anonymousreply 195July 31, 2021 10:12 AM

Alone and alive on a Saturday night is dead

by Anonymousreply 196July 31, 2021 12:36 PM

Just when I'd stopped opening doors,

Finally knowing the one that I wanted was yours

Making my entrance again with my usual flair

Sure of my lines

No one is there

by Anonymousreply 197July 31, 2021 12:41 PM

"While you're tied up, let me see you writhe"

by Anonymousreply 198July 31, 2021 1:51 PM

[quote] "While you're tied up, let me see you writhe"

Your body is achingly lithe.

Not at all wrinkled or hairy

And then in walks Angela Lansbury

by Anonymousreply 199July 31, 2021 2:00 PM

Or was it that bitch

Miss Elaine Stritch?

I'm now ninety-one

And my memory's done

by Anonymousreply 200July 31, 2021 2:09 PM

hairy/Lansbury? You're not worthy r199

And "furry" was just within your grasp.

by Anonymousreply 201July 31, 2021 2:09 PM

[quote] And "furry" was just within your grasp.

Her name is not pronounced “burree” it’s pronounced “berry”.

by Anonymousreply 202July 31, 2021 3:24 PM

R202, only in the American pronunciation of her name, no? In Britain wouldn't her name be pronounced Lans-bree?

by Anonymousreply 203July 31, 2021 4:10 PM

But in no land is it pronounced to rhyme with “hairy” Plus it would require a feminine rhyme, including the LANS since that’s where the accent falls

Every day a little death r199

by Anonymousreply 204July 31, 2021 4:19 PM

I have a moo cow, a new cow a true cow named Caroline! Moo, moo, moo, moo …

by Anonymousreply 205July 31, 2021 8:17 PM

Moo-ve Over!

by Anonymousreply 206July 31, 2021 8:18 PM

Night descends and the moon's aglow

Your arms entwined

You steal below

And far behind

At the edge of day

The bong of the bell of the buoy in the bay

And the boy and the bride and the boat are away

by Anonymousreply 207July 31, 2021 9:21 PM

r121 is one of my Top 10

by Anonymousreply 208July 31, 2021 9:47 PM

It's not a quintissential lyric as such, but I always love how that song "Your Fault" is constructed, especially how throughout the song as they all accuse each other, you hear Little Red Riding Hood chirping: "So it's your fault!" until it's her turn: "So it's [italic]your[/italic] fault!" they say and she's like: "Wait a minute!"

by Anonymousreply 209July 31, 2021 10:19 PM

R208 Thanks

by Anonymousreply 210July 31, 2021 10:49 PM

Someone to hold you too close

Someone to hurt you too deep

Someone to sit in your chair

And ruin your sleep...

Someone to need you too much

Someone to know you too well

Someone to pull you up short

To put you through hell...

Someone you have to let in

Someone whose feelings you spare

Someone who, like it or not

Will want you to share

A little, a lot...

Someone to crowd you with love

Someone to force you to care

Someone to make you come through

Who'll always be there

As frightened as you

Of being alive

Being alive

Somebody hold me too close

Somebody hurt me too deep

Somebody sit in my chair

And ruin my sleep

And make me aware

Of being alive

Being alive

Somebody need me too much

Somebody know me too well

Somebody pull me up short

And put me through hell

And give me support

For being alive

Make me alive

Make me alive

Make me confused

Mock me with praise

Let me be used

Vary my days

But alone...

Is alone...

Not alive

Somebody crowd me with love

Somebody force me to care

Somebody let come through

I'll always be there

As frightened as you

To help us survive

Being alive

Being alive

Being alive!

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by Anonymousreply 211August 1, 2021 12:48 AM

you have too much time on your hands, 211

by Anonymousreply 212August 1, 2021 2:37 AM


But alone...

Is alone...

Not alive

(...and these are Sondheim's quintessential lyrics)

by Anonymousreply 213August 1, 2021 4:59 AM

Unpack the luggage, la la la

Pack up the luggage, la la la

Unpack the luggage, la la la

Hi-ho, the glamorous life!

by Anonymousreply 214August 1, 2021 6:24 AM

I've got the God-why-don't-you-love-me-oh-you-do-I'll-see-ya-later blues.

Bobby in Company and Buddy in Follies were all from the same period. What was Sondheim going through that he wrote men playing the 'withholding' dance of seduction so well?

by Anonymousreply 215August 1, 2021 8:21 AM

"Being Alive" is the whiniest song ever written.

I hate Bobby and I hate his stupid song. Every woman in the show is too good for him. Every man, too. Bleccchhhhh.

by Anonymousreply 216August 1, 2021 10:19 AM

[quote] Every woman in the show is too good for him. Every man, too. Bleccchhhhh.

I know what you mean r216 I've often felt that way, probably most with mopey, navel-gazing Papi Esparza and - surprising me - least with NPH who kept it lighter but not shallow. Barrowman in DC was OK. I'm too young to have seen Jones or Kert.

by Anonymousreply 217August 1, 2021 11:59 AM

Being Alive is a cringey song

by Anonymousreply 218August 1, 2021 12:13 PM

Ordinary mothers needn't meet committees,

But ordinary mothers don't get keys to cities.

No, ordinary mothers merely see their children all year -

Which is lovely, I hear,

But it does interfere

With the glamorous life.

by Anonymousreply 219August 1, 2021 12:22 PM

Mais oui, we may

by Anonymousreply 220August 1, 2021 12:40 PM

It's a very short road

From the pinch and the punch

To the paunch and the pouch

And the pension.

by Anonymousreply 221August 1, 2021 1:19 PM

The truth of There's Another National Anthem was proved conclusively on January 6.

It's not 'quintessentially Sondheim' but it might be quintessentially America.

by Anonymousreply 222August 1, 2021 1:37 PM

Looky, looky, here comes cookie now

Little cookie playing hooky, that we won’t allow

by Anonymousreply 223August 1, 2021 7:34 PM

Don’t you love farts?

My fault, I fear…

by Anonymousreply 224August 1, 2021 8:36 PM

Did you just crack yourself up r224?

by Anonymousreply 225August 1, 2021 11:21 PM

I admit. R224 made me laugh.

by Anonymousreply 226August 2, 2021 12:13 AM

We said, “Ok, no rumpus, no tricks.” But just in case they jump us, we’re ready to mix! Tonight!”

by Anonymousreply 227August 2, 2021 11:10 PM

Well, since we have now quoted just about every lyric the man ever wrote, can we now just admit we have beaten this topic to death?

by Anonymousreply 228August 2, 2021 11:16 PM

Oh, no, Anita! No!

by Anonymousreply 229August 3, 2021 1:08 AM

It would be fresh if we addressed the topic instead of just repeating our favorite lyrics. The way I interpret the question is, What do we think is the lyric Sondheim should have on his gravestone? (Many, many years from now, Steve!)

Clearly there will be two sets of answers to this: those who offer the small section of lyric they really think is closest to revealing or summarizing him; and those who go for cheap laughs. Might as well hold back the tide as tell DL to be serious.

by Anonymousreply 230August 3, 2021 2:04 AM

Okay, R230. I've known Steve for a lot of years. I think the perfect lyric for his memorial would be:

What's hard is simple

What's natural comes hard

Maybe you could show me

How to let go

Lower my guard

Learn to be free

Maybe if you whistle

Whistle for me

by Anonymousreply 231August 3, 2021 2:07 AM

Yes! The first two lines alone, I think.

by Anonymousreply 232August 3, 2021 2:19 AM

Put your lips together and blow


by Anonymousreply 233August 3, 2021 2:45 AM

Every jot and tittle adds to the pot--

Soon you got the kit as well as the kaboodle!

by Anonymousreply 234August 3, 2021 2:58 AM

I want to eat a priest.

Have some cat.

Was it named Joanne?

by Anonymousreply 235August 3, 2021 2:59 AM

Don't you love farts?

My fault, I fear.

by Anonymousreply 236August 3, 2021 3:00 AM

Yes, of course, I know.

Some things need to be repeated to release the pre-adolescent gatling's voice in one's head.

by Anonymousreply 237August 3, 2021 3:01 AM

"Such a lovely, dreamy kind of lyric"

No, it's the music that's lovely and dreamy. All those chromatics.

"And though I'll think of you, I guess/Until the day I die/I think I miss you less and less/As every day goes by"

Then why should the audience care?

"Completely shattered by Saturday night"

Now that's an internal rhyme worth noting.

"When you're back to "or"/Makes the "or" mean more/Than it did before/Now I understand/And it's time to leave the woods"

At which point the audience is sleeping, too exhausted to keep track or care.

by Anonymousreply 238August 3, 2021 3:09 AM

Yvonne DeCarlo: I'm still here!

Angela Lansbury: No you're not.

Ann Miller: I'm still here!

Angela Lansbury: No you're not.

Polly Bergen: I'm still here!

Angela Lansbury: No you're not.

Dorothy Loudon: I'm still here!

Angela Lansbury: No you're not.

Dolores Gray: I'm still here!

Angela Lansbury: No you're not.

Nancy Walker: I'm still here!

Angela Lansbury: No you're not.

Elaine Stritch: I'm still here!

Angela Lansbury: Oh no you're not.

Elaine Paige: I'm still here.

Angela Lansbury: Big fucking deal, Miss Bickerstaff.

by Anonymousreply 239August 3, 2021 3:12 AM

'There's a lot that I missed but I sure wasn't dead when I died.'

by Anonymousreply 240August 3, 2021 3:31 AM

So please, don't fart,

There's very little air and this is art.

by Anonymousreply 241August 3, 2021 3:50 AM

Eventually we'll get to the catharsis then depart...

by Anonymousreply 242August 3, 2021 4:40 AM

Green finch and linnet bird, Nightingale, blackbird, How is it you sing? How can you jubilate, Sitting in cages, Never taking wing?

by Anonymousreply 243August 3, 2021 4:46 AM

There is no other way...

by Anonymousreply 244August 3, 2021 4:48 AM

You know why I did it? Cause there isn’t any Santa Claus.

by Anonymousreply 245August 3, 2021 8:39 AM

Clutching a copy of "Life", just to keep in touch.

by Anonymousreply 246August 3, 2021 9:53 AM

I am listening to Lapine on Fresh Air. No one wants him, they just want to talk about Sondheim. Poor thing.

by Anonymousreply 247August 3, 2021 6:24 PM

Reassure Henrik, Poor Henrik. Henrik, you'll endure Being pure, Henrik." Though I've been born, I've never been! How can I wait around for later? I'll be ninety on my deathbead And the late, or, rather, later, Henrik Egerman.

Doesn't anything begin?

by Anonymousreply 248August 3, 2021 7:01 PM

So here's to the girls on the go-- Everybody tries. Look into their eyes, And you'll see what they know: Everybody dies. A toast to that invincible bunch, The dinosaurs surviving the crunch. Let's hear it for the ladies who lunch

by Anonymousreply 249August 3, 2021 7:08 PM

Every day a little sting Every day a little dies In the heart and in the head. In the looks and in the lies. Every move and every breath, And you hardly feel a thing Brings a perfect little death.

by Anonymousreply 250August 3, 2021 7:11 PM

And no, not a day goes by,

Not a blessed day

But you're still somehow part of my life

And you won't go away

So there's hell to pay,

And until I die,

I'll die day after day after day after day,

After day after day after day,

Till the days go by.

by Anonymousreply 251August 3, 2021 8:12 PM

Artists are bizarre. Fixed. Cold.

by Anonymousreply 252August 3, 2021 11:52 PM

I could understand a person if he actually was dead

by Anonymousreply 253August 4, 2021 2:08 AM

I could understand a person, if a person was a fag.

by Anonymousreply 254August 4, 2021 2:16 AM

Shit--I shot it!

by Anonymousreply 255August 4, 2021 2:30 AM

How ridiculous. To be looking at her and be thinking of you.

by Anonymousreply 256August 4, 2021 1:34 PM


by Anonymousreply 257August 6, 2021 11:54 AM

The brother you prize keeps telling you lies you better goddamn well know how to goddamn — Oh goddamn you!

by Anonymousreply 258August 6, 2021 12:15 PM

A spark to pierce the dark

From Battery Park

To Washington Heights

by Anonymousreply 259August 6, 2021 9:40 PM

Putting thoughts of you aside in the south of France. Would I think of suicide? Darling, shall we dance?

by Anonymousreply 260August 6, 2021 11:21 PM

I mean, big surprise, People love you and tell you lies.

by Anonymousreply 261August 8, 2021 2:23 AM

My favorite Sondheim lyric is "And if you're under him, you ain't getting over him". Pure genius.

by Anonymousreply 262August 8, 2021 3:15 AM

[quote]People love you and tell you lies.

I got the lyric the first time I heard it but I'm ashamed at how many years it took to get me to accept it.

by Anonymousreply 263August 8, 2021 4:23 AM

^ Now i know.

by Anonymousreply 264August 8, 2021 4:31 AM

Even Cream of Wheat has lumps

by Anonymousreply 265August 8, 2021 2:56 PM

Oh, oh,

Think of her at the dustbin

'Specially when she's just been

Traipsing about

Oh, oh,

Wouldn't she be delightful

Living in,

Giving out

I love all the lyrics to "Everybody Ought to Have a Maid." Such delicious dirty old men high testosterone and making fools of themselves. Just wonderful.,

by Anonymousreply 266August 8, 2021 3:00 PM

It must be the heat or some rare disease. Or too much to eat or maybe it’s fleas.

by Anonymousreply 267August 8, 2021 3:04 PM

Men are stupid, men are vain, Love's disgusting, love's insane, A humiliating business.

by Anonymousreply 268August 8, 2021 10:59 PM

Oh, how true!

by Anonymousreply 269August 9, 2021 3:10 AM

Well played, R269. Well played.

by Anonymousreply 270August 9, 2021 11:41 AM

Bump it with a trumpet.

by Anonymousreply 271August 16, 2021 12:56 PM

Little known but true story:

Sondheim wrote the lyrics: "Chaka Khan, Chaka Khan, Let me love you, Chaka Khan"

by Anonymousreply 272August 16, 2021 3:42 PM

r272 = thread-killer

by Anonymousreply 273August 17, 2021 7:58 PM

People you annoy together, children you destroy together

by Anonymousreply 274August 17, 2021 8:11 PM

Getting a divorce together (which I think doesn't mean doing it together but "getting it together" which makes it more fun

by Anonymousreply 275August 17, 2021 8:12 PM

I don't need a lot

Only what I got

Plus a tube of greasepaint

And a follow-spot

by Anonymousreply 276August 17, 2021 11:42 PM

I remember snow

Soft as feathers

Sharp as thumbtacks

Coming down like lint

And it made you squint

When the wind would blow

And ice like vinyl

On the streets

Cold as silver

White as sheets

Rain like strings

And changing things

Like leaves

I remember leaves

Green as spearmint

Crisp as paper

I remember trees

Bare as coat racks

Spread like broken umbrellas…

by Anonymousreply 277August 18, 2021 12:39 AM

[APRIL] That's not to say...

That if I had my way...

Oh well, I guess, OK

[ROBERT] What?

[APRIL] I'll stay

[ROBERT] But...oh God!

by Anonymousreply 278August 18, 2021 3:58 AM

"Well, maybe next year."

by Anonymousreply 279August 18, 2021 12:15 PM

How [italic] DARE [/italic] the privileged white, heterosexual, cis-female Desiree Armfeldt sing "Isn't it [bold] queer[/bold]?"

That song is literal violence, especially for those of us with a fear of clowns.

by Anonymousreply 280August 18, 2021 1:33 PM

^ Don't look up the original lyrics to You Could Drive a person Crazy, r280.

by Anonymousreply 281August 18, 2021 1:39 PM

Just watched/listened to Bernadette Peters rendition of “You Are Not Alone” on YouTube. Sublime performance. Do yourself a favor and check it out…

by Anonymousreply 282August 18, 2021 11:19 PM

Doe she cry?

by Anonymousreply 283August 18, 2021 11:25 PM

Do you mean No One Is Alone?

by Anonymousreply 284August 18, 2021 11:25 PM

Yes, r284, my mistake

by Anonymousreply 285August 19, 2021 12:17 AM

total cheat and no damn fun if you quote an [italic]entire[/italic] song

by Anonymousreply 286August 19, 2021 12:53 PM

Loving you is not a choice. It’s who I am.

by Anonymousreply 287August 19, 2021 1:11 PM

Iny weeny teeny weeny Shriveled little short dick man

by Anonymousreply 288August 19, 2021 1:47 PM

......with enormous talent

by Anonymousreply 289August 20, 2021 12:30 AM

In a world where the princes are lawyers,

What can anyone expect

Except to recollect


by Anonymousreply 290August 24, 2021 1:06 PM

In the castle of the King of the Belgians

We would visit through a false chiffonier

Picture that. Imagine Hermione Gingold and some old coot 'visiting through a false chiffonier.' EEEEK!

Where did he get that idea??? Did he invent it entirely? Or, is it something he saw once? In literature? In a museum? Has he ever explained this in any book or interview?

It's a lyric that just makes you seriously wonder about its author.

by Anonymousreply 291August 24, 2021 1:17 PM

The role was written before Gingold was cast, r291. She evidently stopped the auditions by letting her wig slip off her head to reveal her bare scalp at the end.

Gingold recorded this number four times that I know of: The OBCR, the London OCR, the film soundtrack (the number was cut from the film but the recording is on youtube) and the Sondheim tribute concert with the Scrabble cover.

By far the best is the London cast recording, which is so much more poignant and nuanced than the Broadway recording but I couldn't find it on youtube. So here is the OBCR.

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by Anonymousreply 292August 24, 2021 1:41 PM

I was going to post more lyrics from Liaisons but you can find them by searching google for "liaisons sondheim lyrics."

Meanwhile the divine opera diva Regina Reznick gave a very different but equally wonderful performance in the role at The New York City Opera in the early 1990s.

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by Anonymousreply 293August 24, 2021 2:49 PM
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by Anonymousreply 294August 24, 2021 4:22 PM

I can’t stand Sondheim trite lyrics.

by Anonymousreply 295August 24, 2021 4:25 PM

When a person's personality is personable

He shouldn't oughta sit like a lump

It's harder than a matador coercin' a bull

To try to get you off of your rump

by Anonymousreply 296August 24, 2021 4:42 PM

I could understand a person

If it's not a person's bag

I could understand a person

If a person was a fag


by Anonymousreply 297August 24, 2021 5:09 PM

Spend sleepless nights to think about you

It's the final line of this verse: All afternoon doing every little chore / The thought of you stays bright / Sometimes I stand in the middle of the floor / Not going left - not going right / I dim the lights and think about you / Spend sleepless nights to think about you

I think Sondheim explains the depths of Sally's obsession with Ben in just seven words. She does not go to sleep so she can continue thinking about him.

I love that song (as sung by Dorothy Collins) and that one lyric always hits me hard.

by Anonymousreply 298August 24, 2021 5:17 PM

I'll never understand how that dire director Scott Ellis made that intimate little chamber opera A Little Night Music work in that barn of of a theater but he did. My friends and I left elated and the PBS broadcast was nearly as good..

by Anonymousreply 299August 24, 2021 5:36 PM

Ellis had a brilliant cast already in place when he took over, r299. You're right, he's usually awful.

by Anonymousreply 300August 24, 2021 6:12 PM

who'd he take over for? What's that story?

by Anonymousreply 301August 24, 2021 6:25 PM

R298, that's the part that hits me as well. Had a relationship like that with someone once and that song hits those emotions right on the head.

by Anonymousreply 302August 24, 2021 6:53 PM

You said you loved me

Or were you just being kind

That's the lyric that tells us what a hot fucking mess Sally really is. NO, it's not kind to say to someone "I love you," when you do not love them. It's cruel and selfish and cowardly and poor fucked up Sally just doesn't get any of it.

No, Sally. Ben was not being kind to you. Ben doesn't care about you. You are just entirely fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 303August 24, 2021 6:56 PM

"You said you loved me, or were you just being kind? Or am I losing my mind?"

Yes, Sally, you're just nuts and you're losing your mind. Get over it and just move along like the rest of us did.

by Anonymousreply 304August 24, 2021 7:03 PM

Yes, Sally, you could have just put out your tail once for some hot Polish super and ended up in a decent rent controlled apartment in the West 40s or Chelsea. But instead you decided to move to Phoenix. PHOENIX!

Don't come crying to us now over your poor mistakes.

by Anonymousreply 305August 24, 2021 7:43 PM

Look into their eyes, And you'll see what they know: Everybody dies.

by Anonymousreply 306August 24, 2021 8:42 PM

Okay, R298 here with the clip of Dorothy Collins singing "Losing My Mind." Unlike later renditions, this performance is NOT overwrought... her Sally is not crazy, but she's troubled and by the end, after being defiant, i think she knows she has a problem.

I think the performance is from The Mike Douglas Show...

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by Anonymousreply 307August 24, 2021 8:47 PM

Not Mike Douglas.

David Frost..

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by Anonymousreply 308August 24, 2021 9:00 PM

r307 simplicity that should be required viewing for all everyone performing today. and ([italic]I know, Mary![/italic]) that ascending thing in the accompaniment that starts at @1:26 is fucking genius

by Anonymousreply 309August 24, 2021 9:03 PM

R309, that was Tunick, not Sondheim, who put that ascending thing into the orchestration. How he dared.

Meanwhile it's well documented that it was Alexis Smith who went to the creatives and said "This number isn't for me, give it to Dorothy." I've always wondered how Dorothy and the authors reacted to that. Because Alexis was so right.

by Anonymousreply 310August 24, 2021 9:21 PM

^ I didn't mean to imply that Smith was putting down Collins. She loved the song but thought Collins was much better suited for it than she was. She was right.

by Anonymousreply 311August 24, 2021 9:57 PM

So you're saying Losing My Mind was originally written as Smith's 11 o'clock song?

by Anonymousreply 312August 24, 2021 10:09 PM

Yes. Read Ted Chaplin's book. After rehearsing it she went to Prince, Sondheim and Bennett and said, this isn't my song, Dorothy should have it. And she was so right.

by Anonymousreply 313August 24, 2021 10:15 PM
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by Anonymousreply 314August 24, 2021 10:30 PM

OMG not the Alexis-smith-had-them-give-Losing-My-Mind-to-Dorothy-Collins story.

by Anonymousreply 315August 24, 2021 11:04 PM

Is the story not correct, r315?

by Anonymousreply 316August 24, 2021 11:09 PM

And they never got that last Follies song quite right, did they? First Uptown/Downtown out of town, and then the barely rewritten version The Story of Lucy and Jessie in New York because Bennett complained he was just drawing a blank on staging Uptown/Downtown. And then that version for the London production 15 years later, I can't remember the name but it ended with "Sometimes when the wrappings fall/There's nothing underneath at all!" for Dianna Rigg to sing without really having to dance.

Kind of like Kern and Hammerstein never getting that last number of Showboat just right. Their first try, It's Getting Hotter in the North is my favorite, with that minor chord rippling through the orchestration.

by Anonymousreply 317August 24, 2021 11:57 PM

And here's what Bennett finally came up with for Smith's 11 o'clock number, bless his heart.

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by Anonymousreply 318August 25, 2021 12:09 AM

Uptown/Downtown and Lucy and Jessie were both cheap ripoffs of The Saga of Jenny and Here's to Dr. Crippen. Way to go, Kurt.

by Anonymousreply 319August 25, 2021 12:18 AM

Dorothy Collins was second runner up for both She Loves Me and Do I Hear a Waltz. She lost She Loves Me because Barbara Cook was better Box Office and she lost Do I Hear a Waltz because Elizabeth Allen was sleeping with old, decrepit Richard Rodgers. But weren't they all? That was usually how you got cast in a Rodgers show.

by Anonymousreply 320August 25, 2021 12:54 AM

Yep, Rodgers first put Shirley Jones in the chorus of South Pacific and then in the chorus of Me and Juliet and kept telling her to just hang on, he had much bigger plans for her. Then the film of Oklahoma! came along....

by Anonymousreply 321August 25, 2021 1:07 AM

And old Dick just kept fucking along, like Ol' Man River.

by Anonymousreply 322August 25, 2021 1:12 AM

Dorothy Rodgers must have really loved being Mrs. Richard Rodgers to put up with what she did.

by Anonymousreply 323August 25, 2021 1:19 AM

“I love ya, Darlene.I love ya. Boom. Squish”.

by Anonymousreply 324August 25, 2021 1:23 AM

"Wishes come true, not free."

by Anonymousreply 325August 25, 2021 1:28 AM

For the sweet innocent at R291, he read it in history. Practically every Royal palace, and many another grand home, has secret passageways and entry places for the King's/Duke's/etc lovers (or conversely, to hide the owner from invading forces). A false chiffonnier could well have been one of them - or Sondheim could have just enjoyed The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe in his youth.

I think it's Neuschwannstein that has an entire concealed walkway within the walls to allow servants to come from downstairs to upstairs, emerging through various well concealed points in the hallways so they could pick the one closest to the room that had rung for them.

by Anonymousreply 326August 25, 2021 1:50 AM

[quote]he read it in history.

And you know that how?

by Anonymousreply 327August 25, 2021 2:02 AM

Er, because he has an education? It's a really, really well-known fact.

by Anonymousreply 328August 25, 2021 2:12 AM

We all know about passageways in elegant residences. Duh. The most exacting lyricist in the American theater makes no reference to passageways in the song. If he intended passageways, they would be there.

The question hinges on the word "visit," not the hallways that are wholly a contribution of R326. Some of you dull girls are giving the word a very benign and unimaginative interpretation, given that it was penned by Stephen Sondheim. He tells you that they would visit through a false chiffonier. I don't think this visit was a chat about politics or the weather. I think he's described a very high-toned late 19th century glory hole, or its rough equivalent.

And where did Sondheim get that idea? Has he discussed it?

by Anonymousreply 329August 25, 2021 3:09 AM

I can't quite imagine Dolores Gray fucking Richard Rodgers. Maybe with a strap-on.

by Anonymousreply 330August 25, 2021 3:22 AM

"She does not go to sleep so she can continue thinking about him."

Oh, please, it's so much simpler. She can't sleep because she can't stop thinking about him. Like anyone with a problem on their minds.

by Anonymousreply 331August 25, 2021 3:52 AM

R317 The song is Ah! but Underneath

by Anonymousreply 332August 25, 2021 3:52 AM

I know Gray occasionally sang Rodgers' music but when did she ever play in one of his shows?

by Anonymousreply 333August 25, 2021 3:53 AM

He produced "Annie Get Your Gun" and when giving the rights to a UK producer, Rodgers insisted on casting the role.

by Anonymousreply 334August 25, 2021 3:54 AM

Thanks, r332.

by Anonymousreply 335August 25, 2021 3:55 AM

R331 It’s less poetic the way you put it

by Anonymousreply 336August 25, 2021 3:56 AM

The lyric is "Sleepless nights TO think about you." That was very deliberate and Dorothy Collins plays that quite clearly in the David Frost clip.

by Anonymousreply 337August 25, 2021 3:58 AM

And thank you, r334, you're entirely right. R&H produced AGYG and Rodgers always controlled the casting of his shows very carefully. Howard Keel was Frank in the London Annie, after understudying both Curly and Billy Bigelow on Broadway and while he was there he starred in a cheap black and white cop movie, which is how he got to play Frank in MGM's film version of Annie. He'd basically had a screen test in addition to Rodgers' recommendation.

by Anonymousreply 338August 25, 2021 4:08 AM

It's the fragment, not the day

It's the pebble, not the stream

It's the ripple, not the sea

That is happening

Not the building but the beam

Not the garden but the stone

Only cups of tea

And history

And someone in a tree

by Anonymousreply 339August 25, 2021 4:18 AM

Howard Keel famously went on for Curly one Saturday afternoon and for Billy on the same evening. The New York papers were all over it. It made him. He also took over the lead in the original London production of Oklahoma! to much acclaim. Elizabeth saw him as Curly and loved it and him.

by Anonymousreply 340August 25, 2021 4:29 AM

R319 The Follies songs are all meant to be pastiches

by Anonymousreply 341August 25, 2021 4:33 AM

[quote]Dorothy Rodgers must have really loved being Mrs. Richard Rodgers to put up with what she did.

Mary Rodgers once promised to tell all after all her contemporaries, especially Arthur Laurents, had died. But she didn't.

And then she died.

by Anonymousreply 342August 25, 2021 5:53 AM

Mary Rodgers was a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 343August 25, 2021 7:00 AM

Yep, Mary Rodgers worked with Arthur several times and it was well known she hated him,

She told a reporter she would tell all after he died.

He died.

She never said a word,

And then she died,


by Anonymousreply 344August 25, 2021 7:10 AM

I love the song "Ah, but Underneath." If the follies numbers being performed at the end of act II are supposed to be the windows into each characters thinking/how they see themselves, it fits Phyllis perfectly.

She's a woman who worked to become the social doyenne that Ben needed to move up in the world. She studied hard, played her part, became miserable over the years (and was rewarded by being ignored by Ben) and always believed she really wasn't anything special... hence nothing underneath.

Of the four main characters, I've always liked Buddy and Phyllis, think they got shafted by Sally and Ben.

by Anonymousreply 345August 25, 2021 9:49 AM

Yes, R337. He was very specific about his word choice in his book. "Spend sleepless nights *to think about you."

She's so obsessed that she refuses sleep in order to obsess over him.

by Anonymousreply 346August 25, 2021 10:21 AM

Does anything about the title of this thread make you think we should be discussing Richard Rodgers affairs here?

r320 and r321 you started us on a slippery slope

by Anonymousreply 347August 25, 2021 12:21 PM

Ok, let's talk about Hal Prince's affairs.

by Anonymousreply 348August 25, 2021 12:23 PM


who do I have to fuck to get out of here?

by Anonymousreply 349August 25, 2021 12:27 PM

Let’s talk about the infamous sex dungeon

by Anonymousreply 350August 25, 2021 12:28 PM

Oh, do you mean the infamous sex dungeon that no one on DL has ever seen? That one?

Doesn't exist.

by Anonymousreply 351August 25, 2021 12:37 PM

No one worth talking about fucks the writer.

by Anonymousreply 352August 25, 2021 12:41 PM

A great big house for mama.

by Anonymousreply 353August 25, 2021 12:58 PM

If it were not for the thicket

A thicket's no trick, is it thick

It's the thickest

The quickest is pick it apart with a stick

Yes but even one prick, it's my thing about blood

Well it's sick

It's no sicker than your thing about dwarfs



Dwarves are very upsetting

Not forgetting

The task's unachievable, mountains unscalable

If it's conceivable but unavailable


Agony, misery, woe not to know what you miss

While they lie there for years

And you cry on their biers

What unbearable bliss

Agony that can cut like a knife

Ah well, back to my wife

by Anonymousreply 354August 25, 2021 12:59 PM

“Lyric” Greg. Not song.

by Anonymousreply 355August 25, 2021 1:05 PM

[quote] “Lyric” Greg. Not song.

Talk to R211, who really did put the entire song.

I did not. What I put is a particularly clever section of a much longer song.

So fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 356August 25, 2021 1:37 PM

R185 I love the quintuple rhyme that leads into that:

Mama, please take our advise

We aren’t the Lunts; I’m not Fanny Brice

Mama, I’ll buy you the rice

If only this once you wouldn’t think twice

It would be so nice

If Mama got married to stay…

by Anonymousreply 357August 25, 2021 5:48 PM

I may play cards all night and come home at three.

Just leave a light on the porch for me!

Well, nobody's perfect!

by Anonymousreply 358August 25, 2021 7:28 PM

R344, Mary Rodgers was asked to comment on Arthur Laurents and she said "Ask me when he's dead." Maybe she was never asked again.

by Anonymousreply 359August 25, 2021 7:37 PM

I think she was asked by Jesse Green and replied "no comment."

by Anonymousreply 360August 25, 2021 11:34 PM

Loved his song that was cut on the road in Follies - “Oy, my herpes is flaring up”.

by Anonymousreply 361August 26, 2021 10:59 PM

Laugh is you must R361, but Yvonne De Carlo sold the shit out of that song in Boston.

by Anonymousreply 362August 26, 2021 11:19 PM

True, R362 -but you know Yvonne, always going one step too far. One night she showed the audience and the song was immediately cut.

by Anonymousreply 363August 27, 2021 1:46 AM

I thjink that incident happened when Helen Lawson was still in the part, r363.

by Anonymousreply 364August 27, 2021 1:49 AM

Yvonne insisted on running the herpes lyrics, complete with gestures, backstage with Teddy Chapin.

by Anonymousreply 365August 27, 2021 6:10 AM

Loving you is not a choice

And not much reason to rejoice

by Anonymousreply 366August 27, 2021 6:26 AM

[quote] Of the four main characters, I've always liked Buddy and Phyllis, think they got shafted by Sally and Ben.

I like Phyllis too, R345. Buddy is too self-loathing and a bit mentally damaged himself, possibly due to never being accepted by Sally as anything other than the man she settled for temporarily until Ben came back for her.

I remember someone on DL writing a few years ago, during the London revival of Follies, that at the end of the show, we are left with the feeling that Phyllis is a true survivor who will be fine but the other three have all been left irreparably shattered in some way by the reunion. Didn't people use to say that Phyllis being the strongest character in that quartet was also partly why Alexis Smith may have won the Tony over Dorothy Collins?

by Anonymousreply 367August 28, 2021 7:42 AM

I don't see how Ben is irreparably shattered. He leaves with his champion.

by Anonymousreply 368August 28, 2021 7:59 AM

And Buddy has no doubt been through this shit before. I'm also not convinced Sally's idea of happiness has been riding on the reunion. She probably gets "bright ideas" all the time. She's probably a Tom Bianchi/Alan Bates.

by Anonymousreply 369August 28, 2021 8:00 AM

Stop it this is not another thread to hijack with endless Follies discussion. LYRICS only

by Anonymousreply 370August 28, 2021 12:21 PM

Everybody says don't...

by Anonymousreply 371August 28, 2021 5:09 PM

But everybody is not enough...

by Anonymousreply 372August 28, 2021 5:25 PM

You're all liars and thieves Like his father! Like his son will be too! Oh, why bother? You'll just do what you do!

by Anonymousreply 373August 28, 2021 8:10 PM

ANNE: A weekend in the country--

PETRA: We're invited?

ANNE: What a horrible plot! A weekend in the country--

PETRA: I'm excited!

ANNE: No, you're not.

PETRA: A weekend in the country, just imagine--

ANNE: It's completely depraved.

PETRA: A weekend in the country!

ANNE: It's insulting.

PETRA: It's engraved.

by Anonymousreply 374August 30, 2021 1:30 AM

Me eyelids'll flutter

I'll turn into butter

The moment I mutter, "I do"

by Anonymousreply 375August 30, 2021 3:38 AM

Look, ma'am, an invitation,

Here, ma'am, delivered by hand.

And, ma'am, I notice the station-

Ary's engraved and very grand.

Petra, how too exciting!

Just when I need it!

Petra, such elegant writing,

So chic you hardly can read it!

What do you think?

Who can it be?

Even the ink—

No, here, let me...

"Your presence"—just think of it, Petra!

"Is kindly"—it's at a chateau!

"Requested"—etcet'ra, etcet'ra,

"Madame Leonora Armf—" Oh, no!

by Anonymousreply 376August 30, 2021 8:50 PM

again, way too long r376

What do you think? Who can it be? Even the ink— No, here, let me...

would sufficient

by Anonymousreply 377August 31, 2021 12:27 AM

Thank you for that correction, R377.

What on earth would the Datalounge community do without you? Seriously. What would we do?

Everyone, we owe R377 a debt of gratitude. I now have learned the error of my ways and will be more careful to abide by your good guidance, R377.

by Anonymousreply 378August 31, 2021 12:41 AM

Been called a pinko commie tool,

Got through it stinko, by my pool

by Anonymousreply 379August 31, 2021 12:47 AM

Perhaps we should first have had a thread on the meaning of the word "quintessential".

by Anonymousreply 380August 31, 2021 12:50 AM

For r378

I'm calm

I'm calm

I'm perfectly calm

I'm utterly under control

by Anonymousreply 381August 31, 2021 1:40 AM

A toast to that invincible bunch, The dinosaurs surviving the crunch. Let's hear it for the ladies who lunch. Everybody rise!

by Anonymousreply 382August 31, 2021 4:21 AM

"Sometimes she drinks in bed;

Sometimes he's homosexual"

by Anonymousreply 383August 31, 2021 3:07 PM

IIRC, Rodgers wouldn't allow the homosexual lyric in the show. But wasn't the song recorded for the Scrabble album with the line intact?

by Anonymousreply 384September 1, 2021 12:55 AM

Was it on the Scrabble album? I know it was part of the Side by Side by..... album with the line intact.

by Anonymousreply 385September 1, 2021 2:03 AM

Yes, it's on the "Scrabble" album (Sondheim: A Musical Tribute) -with the homosexual lyric. It's sung by Laurence Guittard and Teri Ralston (from the original cast of A Little Night Music).

by Anonymousreply 386September 1, 2021 4:04 AM

Yes, it’s on the Scrabble album, sung by Guittard.

The Sondheim lyrics that really got me:

Love without reason, love without mercy,

Love without pride or shame,

Love unconcerned with being returned,

No wisdom, no caution,

No judgment, no blame.


Not pretty, or safe, or easy,

But more than I ever knew,

Love within reason, that isn’t love,

And I learned that from you.

He gets that breathless yearning in so few words, all spilling over each other.

He knows.

by Anonymousreply 387September 1, 2021 4:04 AM

Probably not, R387. He doesn't know. And that's the biggest problem with Sondheim.

In the lyric you quote, he's describing obsession. Not love. He gets them all mixed up. When Sally sings, "I love you so, it's like I'm losing my mind," what has happened is that she has already lost her mind and she's obsessed with Ben Stone. It ain't love.

He makes the same basic mistake, though in different ways, with PASSION. The title being trimmed down from the Italian, "Pasione d'Amore." He ended up not writing much about love or passion, but a lot about obsession misunderstood to be love.

by Anonymousreply 388September 1, 2021 12:20 PM

How is that a mistake? The characters don't have to be "right" about love. No one who watches Follies thinks that what's passed between Sally and Ben is love. They both love the ideal of love. But both act like they are the centre of the universe. There's no room for love when you're self obsessed.

by Anonymousreply 389September 1, 2021 1:00 PM

I'm not sure how anyone could walk away from Follies or Passion with the idea that Sally or Fosca's idea of love is healthy. Hell, it's this obsession that's been eating away at them all evening.

by Anonymousreply 390September 1, 2021 5:49 PM

Fine, r390, but what's your point? Do you suppose Sondheim didn't know what he was writing?

by Anonymousreply 391September 1, 2021 7:40 PM

[quote]He gets that breathless yearning in so few words, all spilling over each other. He knows.

I thought I was responding very directly to that statement, but perhaps I was not clear enough. And that's fair.

I don't equate obsession with "breathless yearning" which sounds to me more like romantic love than obsession. If the person posting that statement here is relating any of those lyrics Giorgio sings to love, that might be re-examined.

Artists are free to pursue what interests them. As they should be. But it's hard to find Sondheim dealing much with love. Obsession. Neurosis, maybe. Neediness. Love is missing in most of Sondheim. If the characters use the word "love" that's a red flag that it isn't going to be about love at all.

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by Anonymousreply 392September 1, 2021 8:19 PM

why do some people seem so committed to driving threads into the shitter?

Yes, I know. Goodbye for now.

by Anonymousreply 393September 1, 2021 8:33 PM

I'm with you R393. I wish there was a way for the squabbling that went on between R385 - R392 to be shunted off the the side of the larger thread. Some of this has been fun, but then, oy and vey, the Bickersons arrive and all of the air gets sucked out of the thread.

by Anonymousreply 394September 1, 2021 8:59 PM

I'm r385. What squabbling?

by Anonymousreply 395September 1, 2021 9:06 PM

See, it's your fault. No! So it's you fault... No! Yes, it is! It's not! It's true.

by Anonymousreply 396September 1, 2021 11:25 PM

R387's lyrics are not sung by Fosca, they are sung by Georgio. He has come to realize that the "love" he had Clara was not real love. So R388 suggesting that Sondheim was mistaking obsession for love makes no sense. Georgio never obsesses over Fosca - just the reverse.

by Anonymousreply 397September 2, 2021 1:20 AM

Phyllis loves Ben.

by Anonymousreply 398September 2, 2021 9:26 AM

Phyllis loves the ten elderly men from the UN

by Anonymousreply 399September 2, 2021 10:14 AM

How the kind of woman willing to wait's Not the kind that you want to find waiting

by Anonymousreply 400September 2, 2021 11:50 AM

thank you r400 for getting us back on track with a great - and truly quintessential piece of Sondheim craft.

by Anonymousreply 401September 2, 2021 12:05 PM

And all you have to do is move your little finger, move your little finger and you can change the world.

by Anonymousreply 402September 2, 2021 2:13 PM

[quote] And all you have to do is move your little finger

I really appreciate Sondheim not being lazy. Each time this section comes back around he changes the verb.

Move your little finger

Squeeze your little finger

Crook your little finger

by Anonymousreply 403September 2, 2021 4:19 PM

Sunday in the Park is a mature exploration of two people who really are in love but can't make the human level work at the same time as George's obsession with his art. Dot saves herself because she's an adult, but she doesn't love him any less. R400's quote is the quintessential lyric of that love story.

Happiness, the song that opens Passion, is a simply beautiful song about the early stages of "an ordinary love story" (made more beautiful by Marin Mazzie's gorgeous voice).

Sondheim is quintessentially an overthinker. My guess is the love song he's written that is closest to him (other than Finishing the Hat) is the unused Water Under the Bridge. It would be hell to be in love with the voice of that song.

by Anonymousreply 404September 3, 2021 5:30 AM

And my guess would be "With So Little To Be Sure Of."

by Anonymousreply 405September 3, 2021 12:37 PM

Debbie's is the only good version that I've heard.

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by Anonymousreply 406September 3, 2021 12:41 PM

I chose, and my world was shaken so what? The choice may have been mistaken the choosing was not

by Anonymousreply 407September 4, 2021 2:19 AM

I know this is a lyric thread but I just realized that for all his genius and all his longevity, we never hear a bad word about the man himself. No tantrums, no fights, no feuds, etc. [[italic]added that so there'd be a lyric[/italic]]

by Anonymousreply 408September 7, 2021 10:08 PM

He told Patti LuPone she wasn't a star.

by Anonymousreply 409September 7, 2021 10:09 PM

He has ego aplenty (perhaps deservedly), but he doesn't engage in tantrums and fights. He just doesn't suffer fools -gladly or otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 410September 7, 2021 10:24 PM

Yes. You always notice how, at least in public, he never tries to diss an actor, other composer, or lousy production? You never hear him going on about which production or actor was his favorite.

by Anonymousreply 411September 7, 2021 10:55 PM

He was credited with pushing for ImeldaGYPSY.

by Anonymousreply 412September 7, 2021 10:56 PM

I'm sure he has plenty of ego, but he keeps it in check--at least in public. He's invariably generous in his praise of colleagues and collaborators--at least in public.

A shame about Imelda, but nobody's perfect.

by Anonymousreply 413September 7, 2021 11:00 PM

Well, now that she didn't come to New York in the role, I'd put money that the next Rose on Broadway will be Sutton Foster.

by Anonymousreply 414September 7, 2021 11:03 PM

I'm always struck, when I watch YouTubes of Sondheim's Tony wins, that he pretty much only thanks Gemignani, his musical director/conductor, and Tunick, his orchestrator. Very generous and classy, in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 415September 7, 2021 11:11 PM

no r414. Peppermint. Gypsy. You gotta get a gimmick.

by Anonymousreply 416September 8, 2021 2:44 AM

I do seem to recall him saying Imelda sang "Everything's Coming Up Roses" like you've never heard it before.

He was right. She sang it like a play within a play being performed at a mental institute for the criminally insane.

by Anonymousreply 417September 8, 2021 5:36 PM

Imelda Staunton gave us the most real depiction of Rose Hovick that we've seen yet. She gave us a real woman who could really do all those horrible things to her own children.

I loved her work in it. She was brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 418September 8, 2021 5:39 PM

I wish the TV recording was good. Sadly, it probably scuppered any chances of a transfer. The Donmar "Cabaret" improved when it became the Roundabout "Cabaret." I could see the same for London "Gypsy."

by Anonymousreply 419September 8, 2021 5:42 PM

I've been in correspondence with Sondheim for decades. He is always gracious. He can put more in a paragraph than most people put into pages and pages. He will call you out when you make a mistake or are foolish.

by Anonymousreply 420September 9, 2021 8:45 PM

You're lucky it's only correspondence or he might use the riding crop.

by Anonymousreply 421September 9, 2021 8:50 PM

When is West Side Story soundtrack coming out ?

by Anonymousreply 422September 9, 2021 8:51 PM

Oh, give it a rest.

by Anonymousreply 423September 9, 2021 8:52 PM

Is there a good video of the Frogs ?

by Anonymousreply 424September 9, 2021 9:46 PM

Yes, R424. You can find it online if you know the right places.

by Anonymousreply 425September 10, 2021 1:51 AM

[quote] I do seem to recall him saying Imelda sang "Everything's Coming Up Roses" like you've never heard it before. He was right. She sang it like a play within a play being performed at a mental institute for the criminally insane.

I completely agree. I love Imelda's performance of "Everything's Coming Up Roses" — especially at the end when she shakes her arms up and down like she's completely unraveling. It's the best performance of this song that I've ever seen.

Watch 2:47 to 2:57

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by Anonymousreply 426September 10, 2021 10:44 PM

wow I know video and closeups can fuck with a performance but that's terrible with all the subtlety of an appendectomy with a cleaver, as if she's performing for the deaf, dumb, and blind, maybe

by Anonymousreply 427September 10, 2021 10:52 PM

[quote] wow I know video and closeups can fuck with a performance but that's terrible with all the subtlety of an appendectomy with a cleaver, as if she's performing for the deaf, dumb, and blind, maybe

She's performing on stage. Subtlety doesn't work on stage.

by Anonymousreply 428September 10, 2021 10:58 PM

The only problem with Imelda's performance of that song is that she played all the other scenes the same way. Loud, angry, manic, and on the verge of a psychotic break. It would have been more effective if she showed a little variation here and there.

by Anonymousreply 429September 11, 2021 12:19 AM

Rose is relentless. If she could temper her narcissistic behavior, most of the play would not go on to happen.

by Anonymousreply 430September 11, 2021 12:38 AM

Rose's drive is relentless. Her behavior can't be.

by Anonymousreply 431September 11, 2021 12:48 AM

That's not true re Imelda. I guess no one got a video bootleg of the London run. There should be some audio floating around out there.

by Anonymousreply 432September 11, 2021 12:49 AM

Staunton was brilliant. She created a damaged woman who really would act callously and selfishly with every person in her life.

by Anonymousreply 433September 11, 2021 12:52 AM

Yeah, that was the most callous, selfish acting I've ever seen.

by Anonymousreply 434September 11, 2021 12:57 AM

Imelda was miscast as Sally

by Anonymousreply 435September 11, 2021 1:01 AM

She wasn't ideally cast. "Losing My Mind" was staged with too heavy a hand.

by Anonymousreply 436September 11, 2021 1:10 AM

She was too old and ugly

by Anonymousreply 437September 11, 2021 1:14 AM

C'mon now...

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by Anonymousreply 439September 11, 2021 1:45 AM

I saw Imelda Staunton on stage in Gypsy. Just like Elena Roger in Evita I found it an example of British reviewers taking a mediocre performance and praising it to the skies. Staunton performed the part like an old Englishwoman's stereotype of what she thinks a tough American broad must be like. She screamed and yelled every line. She was devoid of any charm and was so relentlessly nasty that you wondered why Herbie and the others around her didn't just decapitate the harridan. Staunton made Patti LuPony look more nuanced in comparison.

by Anonymousreply 440September 11, 2021 7:30 AM

Moo moo moo moo!

by Anonymousreply 441September 11, 2021 8:02 AM

r440 that's what it looks like at r426. and that looks like it wasn't just a live stage performance they taped, I'm betting they did the performance [italic]for[/italic] the cameras, a la Sunday in the Park and others.

Does anyone here know if the National tapes at actual performances or has special calls for tapings ?

by Anonymousreply 442September 11, 2021 11:47 AM

NT tapes at performances. You often see the audience and you certainly hear it. They do, however, advise ticket buyers beforehand that they're attending a performance that will be filmed, because it's obviously somewhat intrusive. I've never heard, or seen any evidence, that they intercut it with shots done without an audience.

by Anonymousreply 443September 11, 2021 2:57 PM

Nonsense. Imelda was "relentlessly nasty" in "Small World," "You'll Never Get Away From Me" or "Together Wherever We Go"?

I doubt you saw her on stage. You saw the BBC TV recording like everyone else here.

by Anonymousreply 444September 11, 2021 4:22 PM

Imelda's mistake was being ready for "Rose's Turn" before she even got to "Some People." It makes for a dreary evening. It was a shame, too, because her "Rose's Turn" is one of the best I've ever seen. If she'd built to it, it would have been devastating.

Rose is a selfish person, yes, but she does have to display moments of tenderness and charm to get what she wants. Rose used every tool at her disposal, not just aggressive yelling and braying to bully people into doing what she wanted. When her other tools fail her, she can bellow and bray, but that can't be her default for 2 1/2 hours. It gets old quickly and makes you wonder why someone like Herbie would stick around.

by Anonymousreply 445September 11, 2021 5:05 PM

And she did use charm. It's inbuilt to the part ("Small World" etc.)

by Anonymousreply 446September 11, 2021 5:14 PM

[quote]...makes you wonder why someone like Herbie would stick around.

Well, there's the problem. You weren't paying attention. He didn't. He left. He finally had enough of Rose's abuses, and he left. It happens in the 2nd Act, when Louise agrees to strip. Let that be the end of that foolish argument that Rose has to be charming so Herbie doesn't leave. He leaves. He leaves.

All who insist that Rose has to be charming are ignorant of the world. People are physically and psychologically abused every day and they stay in those bad relationships. With partners. With parents. With employers. With Scott Rudin. With Harvey Weinstein. For a host of reasons, they stay. Stronger people would leave right away. But some people... they stay.

Here's what Staunton did that was so daring and brilliant. She created a Rose who was so self-absorbed and controlling that her 16 year old daughter got married behind her back and sneaked away without telling her. She abandoned her family because she knew she had to. She escaped her mother because she saw that if she did not escape, Rose would never stop controlling her every move. Throughout the play, Louise is the milder and quieter of the two. She has to eat Rose's shit for most of another act. And really, she never does stand up to Rose until she has her own professional success and some money of her own.

Rose is not a charming woman you can reason with. She's deeply narcissistic and manipulative and she controls everyone and everybody and if you don't go along with that, you're out. By the end of Act 1, June escapes and Rose breaks with her entirely for doing so. Does she go after her daughter? Does she show any concern? NO. She drops June and substitutes Louise and she does it in about... 8 seconds.

Staunton gave us a real and dramatic Rose Hovick, not a musical comedy star lady doing a virtuoso turn.

by Anonymousreply 447September 11, 2021 8:48 PM

I didn't see the performance live on stage but I have seen enough live and filmed performances over many years to know that the work can not be that dramatically different in different media. Staunton did not give a performance of a real human being no matter how narcissistic and deranged she might be; she was an actress overdoing everything and yelling.

by Anonymousreply 448September 11, 2021 9:08 PM

[quote]Staunton did not give a performance of a real human being....

Perhaps none that you know.

Lucky you.

by Anonymousreply 449September 11, 2021 9:11 PM

I think it's a mistake of the GYPSY play script to only have Herbie as the sole love interest. "If Momma Was Married" is somewhat unearned.

by Anonymousreply 450September 11, 2021 9:17 PM

Did Dean Jones ever play Herbie?

by Anonymousreply 451September 11, 2021 9:17 PM

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, r 447, but for chrissakes dial it back a bit. You sound the worst kind of didact.

by Anonymousreply 452September 11, 2021 10:14 PM

Less Rose. More lyrics.

by Anonymousreply 453September 12, 2021 9:21 AM

How does Rose compare to Sondheim's mother?

by Anonymousreply 454September 12, 2021 1:33 PM

Closely enough that R447 probably = Stephen Sondheim.

by Anonymousreply 455September 12, 2021 3:08 PM

Staunton looks like she exemplifies the dumbing down of everything in that she has to play all of it with more and more [italic]stuff[/italic] to underline, emphasize, telegraph, indicate and do everything else rather than simply letting the [italic]material[/italic] do the work, which it does so well.

by Anonymousreply 456September 13, 2021 1:57 PM

[quote]How does Rose compare to Sondheim's mother?

She's tall enough to be his mother.

by Anonymousreply 457September 13, 2021 2:06 PM

Agree r216. And Esparza's pronunciation of "bon [italic]voyage[/italic]" in "Barcelona" makes me hate him and his poseur Bobby and wonder why those people would like him. Although it's probably Esparza showing off perfect French more than Bobby.

by Anonymousreply 458September 15, 2021 12:26 PM

"I've got a new show, it's certain to blow, Even with Nathan and that Bernadette ho".

by Anonymousreply 459September 16, 2021 5:04 PM

How long did that take you, r459?

by Anonymousreply 460September 17, 2021 2:33 AM

Then you career from career to career.

by Anonymousreply 461September 17, 2021 3:16 AM

put your dimple down

by Anonymousreply 462September 17, 2021 5:05 AM

R460- 2 minutes. About the same amount of time it takes you to eat a turkey.

by Anonymousreply 463September 17, 2021 4:54 PM

Had Heebie-Jeebies

For Beebe's Bathysphere

by Anonymousreply 464September 18, 2021 3:30 AM

Sondheim's worst:

What's the muddle in the middle?

That's the puddle where the poodle did the piddle.

Too clever by half and takes me right out of the show every time.

by Anonymousreply 465September 19, 2021 2:14 PM

And another hundred people just got off of the train, the bus.....

by Anonymousreply 466September 19, 2021 2:27 PM

Life is often so unpleasant .You must know that, as a peasant.

by Anonymousreply 467September 19, 2021 2:32 PM

[quote] Life is often so unpleasant .You must know that, as a peasant.

That is also one of my favorite Sondheim lyrics.

by Anonymousreply 468September 19, 2021 2:54 PM

Thanks to R464 I learned something new today. Per Britannica: "Bathysphere, spherical steel vessel for use in undersea observation, provided with portholes and suspended by a cable from a boat. Built by the American zoologist William Beebe and the American engineer Otis Barton, the bathysphere made its first dives in 1930." Mr. Beebe pictured.

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by Anonymousreply 469September 20, 2021 1:48 AM

"something, something, rooting through my rutabaga, blah, blah, blah...arugula..blah blah"

by Anonymousreply 470September 20, 2021 3:20 PM

"Does anyone still wear a hat?"

by Anonymousreply 471September 20, 2021 4:16 PM

I'm electrifying and I ain't even trying

I saw City Center Encores version of Gypsy with LuPone and had a great time. For me, the star of the evening was Marilyn Caskey as Electra. The character of Electra never grabbed me in any version of Gypsy I'd seen up to that point. I thought maybe it was the nature of the beast, Tessie and Mazeppa are tough acts to follow. Until Ms. Caskey. Brilliant. She underplayed it as if she'd been "electrified" a few too many times. One of her legs was sort of dragging behind her. Her costume headpiece didn't really light correctly or on cue or at all. Her motor skills were not responding maybe due to nerve damage, sense of direction askew. She was so brilliant with the nuance that I can't find words. I was crying with laughter. Laughed so hard I cracked my head on the seat in front of me. I looked up to see the blackout at the end of the number and in the darkness her headpiece finally lit up as she trying to exit and wandering into the wings.

by Anonymousreply 472September 21, 2021 12:27 AM

Great post. Not really the right thread for it but.........

by Anonymousreply 473September 21, 2021 12:21 PM

R473- You're absolutely right. 🙏🏻 And thank you for the compliment.

by Anonymousreply 474September 21, 2021 7:36 PM

[quote]"Does anyone still wear a hat?"

I do.

Well, I don't, but he made one anyway.

by Anonymousreply 475September 22, 2021 9:25 AM

This is ridiculous. What am I doing here? I'm in the wrong story.

by Anonymousreply 476September 22, 2021 10:21 AM

Joanna Gleason says she basically came up with ^ that line ^ after a conversation with SS about the character. She came up with "I'm in the wrong story,"

by Anonymousreply 477September 22, 2021 11:56 AM
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by Anonymousreply 478September 29, 2021 6:50 PM

"We all deserve to die."

by Anonymousreply 479October 3, 2021 2:35 AM

In view of her penchant For something romantic, De Sade is too trenchant And Dickens too frantic, And Stendhal would ruin The plan of attack As there isn't much blue in The Red and the Black. De Maupassant's candour Would cause her dismay The Brontes are grander But not very gay Her taste is much blander I'm sorry to say But is Hans Christian Ander- Sen ever risque?

by Anonymousreply 480October 3, 2021 2:42 AM

^ Sorry but I'm not going to bother to fix it. You all know it anyway. But I'll add:

My body's all right

But not in perspective

And not in the light.

by Anonymousreply 481October 3, 2021 2:45 AM

Could I bury my rage With a boy half your age In the grass? Bet your ass.

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by Anonymousreply 482October 3, 2021 2:46 AM

Slightly off topic but does anyone know when and why "Could I leave you -- yes!" was changed to "Could I Ieave you -- guess!"

by Anonymousreply 483October 3, 2021 2:50 AM

Changed? Yes comes earlier in the song. Guess replaces it at the end.

by Anonymousreply 484October 3, 2021 2:52 AM

Oh, I always thought I heard "yes" at the end on the OBC. But I just listened to it again very loud and I guess it does sound more like "guess."

I have a hearing impairment. Deaf in my right ear, certain frequencies don't register in the left. I have to listen to things really loud. I didn't completely lose my hearing in my right ear until 15 or 20 years ago and I still miss the sense of spatiality that comes from stereo hearing so much.

And don't bother to offer advice. I've spent years going to audiologists and have had three surgeries on my right inner ear. Osteosclerosis is curable 90 to 95% of the time with surgery, one of the few forms of deafness that is. I'm in the 5%.

by Anonymousreply 485October 3, 2021 3:16 AM

dinners for ten

elderly men

from the U.N.

by Anonymousreply 486October 3, 2021 3:18 AM

How ridiculous. To be looking at her and be thinking of you.

by Anonymousreply 487October 18, 2021 1:17 PM

Besides, you ever see a bear with forty foot feet?

by Anonymousreply 488October 18, 2021 1:19 PM

Sondheim has always said he takes things from librettists' drafts, how many of these might have been written by the book writers?

by Anonymousreply 489October 18, 2021 7:15 PM

There I was in Mr. Orpheum's office...

by Anonymousreply 490October 19, 2021 3:27 PM

23 Skidoo!

by Anonymousreply 491October 19, 2021 3:51 PM

High in a tower she sits by the hour maintaining her hair.

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by Anonymousreply 492October 19, 2021 4:21 PM


by Anonymousreply 493November 2, 2021 9:29 PM

Sic semper tyrannis

by Anonymousreply 494November 3, 2021 2:57 AM

Hush, love, hush.

by Anonymousreply 495November 8, 2021 12:09 PM

Wham! Bam!

Thank you, Ma'am!

by Anonymousreply 496November 8, 2021 12:57 PM

Anyone can whistle.

That's what they say.


by Anonymousreply 497November 8, 2021 1:29 PM

I'm an old broad!

I drink cocktails at lunch!

My husband porks his secretary!

While I'm doing brunch!

by Anonymousreply 498November 8, 2021 2:00 PM

something about your day job, r498

by Anonymousreply 499November 8, 2021 6:48 PM

I want to the way that it was

by Anonymousreply 500November 9, 2021 3:05 AM

[quote] I want to the way that it was

oh, dear

by Anonymousreply 501November 9, 2021 11:34 AM

I'm a fancy flower!

I drink every hour!

Takes my uppers with my downers!

Boys, send in dem clowners!

by Anonymousreply 502November 9, 2021 12:27 PM

I'm dead.

by Anonymousreply 503November 26, 2021 11:09 PM

I’m defying gravity.

by Anonymousreply 504November 26, 2021 11:14 PM

Every day a little death. Especially today.

by Anonymousreply 505November 26, 2021 11:25 PM

Look, perhaps I'll collapse In the apse right before you all So take back the cake Burn the shoes, and boil the rice.

by Anonymousreply 506December 20, 2021 2:01 PM

"....watching little things grow"

by Anonymousreply 507December 20, 2021 4:41 PM

There's a Twitter handle with 38,000 followers

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by Anonymousreply 508December 27, 2021 1:00 PM

I've heard this song too frequently done as sprechstimme because the person performing had no singing ability.

But this version has a proper singer who does an amazingly controlled final note but her singing ability just makes us realise the monotonous repetition in the lyric.

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by Anonymousreply 509December 28, 2021 9:32 AM

Do we think that Steve would like playing Wordle?

by Anonymousreply 510January 19, 2022 6:26 PM

No. Not challenging enough.

by Anonymousreply 511January 19, 2022 6:34 PM
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