How did Hilary Duff get away with blatantly stealing the sound from Depeche Mode’s “Personal Jesus”?

It’s called a sample, OP. Have you heard no popular music in the last 30 years?

R1 tell that to Vanilla Ice and Robin Thicke.

R2, it's only a problem if you don't credit the writers of the song you're sampling

The same reason Rihanna got away with blatantly stealing Soft Sell's "Tainted Love" for "SOS". The same reason Janet got away with stealing "Ventura Highway" for "Someone to Call My Lover". The reason Britney got away with stealing an old Bollywood song for "Toxic".

It's called sampling.

Her voice sucks. She makes Britney sound like Kiri Te Kanawa

Britney is her idol. Britney’s was Janet and Madge.

If Britney was her idol then she have learned how to at least dance. She's a lazy artist who only got her pop career because she was a Disney star and inoffensive. She was a safe alternative to oversexualized pop stars, so parents were okay with their daughters buying her CDs. I do enjoy a lot of Hilary's singles like "Come Clean" and "So Yesterday" and I did watch Lizzie McGuire. But there's a reason her music career dwindled.

R1 Rihanna got sued by the estate of Michael Jackson for using "Mamase Mamasa Mamakusa" from "Want To Be Starting Something" in her song PLEASE DON'T STOP THE MUSIC.

They settled for an undisclosed sum

Marvin Gaye's family sued Robin Thicke for Blurred Lines too.

R7 she was also 15 at the time. She was “safe” and “clean” because she was a kid making pop music for kids. Only hers went mainstream

R9 and they won

R10 Hilary wasn't mainstream though. American mainstream radio was not playing Hilary Duff, Raven, Jesse McCartney, Jonas Brothers or the High School Musical songs. She was mostly on kids radio or getting a lot of airplay on MTV. They made a lot of money off of CD sales and merchandise but there was still a thick separation between teen pop music and mainstream pop. I think social media changed that.

OP is gonna be MAD when he discovers Bootylicious.

R12 they were playing Hilary, Jonas Brothers, and Jesse McCartney. Know what you’re speaking of.

All were fixtures on MTV too

Beautiful Soul by Jesse McCartney and Burnin Up by Jonas Brothers were radio fixtures. Z100 played them every hour.

As for Hilary, her song So Yesterday and Come Clean got radio play.

R14 I really don't remember any Hilary, JoBros or Jesse being on Top 40 radio at all. I do know their videos were on MTV and they were played over the reality shows and TRL was obsessed with them. Then again, much preferred 106 & Park.

Martin Gore of Depeche Mode is a credited songwriter for Reach Out and the sample was used legally. If other artists have been sued for illegal use that’s on them. OP was asking about the Hilary Duff song.

Mandy Moore was better.

[quote] Britney is her idol. Britney’s was Janet and Madge.

The mediocrity! It just keeps compounding.

I wish Lindsay Lohan got Hilary's songs because she has a stronger voice. Hilary whispers and mumbles her songs. Raven-Symoné is a good singer but Disney gave her wack ass songs and didn't even promote her music. I remember when she went on 106 & Park and threw shade at her audience for not buying her CDs.

R16 Burnin Up by Jonas Bros was their first Top 10 on the charts, peaking at number 5 the summer of 2008. It was a summer hit and what catapulted them to the big stars they became.

R20 doesn’t that work being that Hilary’s songs were literally written for her?

Lindsay and her had very different styles all around. Hilary had more success in the music field.

[quote] Burnin Up by Jonas Bros was their first Top 10 on the charts, peaking at number 5 the summer of 2008. It was a summer hit and what catapulted them to the big stars they became.

Big stars?

[quote] The same reason Rihanna got away with blatantly stealing Soft Sell's "Tainted Love"

Oh, dear.

R22 Hilary sold more and had more popular songs but her music career isn't successful anymore. Her last album didn't sell well. Hilary just got lucky because she was a popular teen star riding off the success of Lizzie McGuire. She was never going to last. She was basically a Debbie or Tiffany of the time except not as talented.

R25 oh I know her career is nothing now but she did have more success

It's called sampling, it's an entirely new song and rap and the OP has 0% knowledge of hip hop.

There's even a chance Hillary Duff got copyright consent from Depeche Mode.

Kylie Minogue sampled "Rock Steady" for "Look My Way". George Michael sampled "Forget Me Nots" for "Fastlove". So pop stars were doing it too.

Most of Will Smith’s hits were based around samples from older songs

Marc Almond and David Ball owe a little something to Gloria Jones people….

Sounds like a bad ripoff of S.O.S by Rihanna

R31 right? Lmao. She has the definitive song

I like this song but the mv is still cringey. She's trying way too hard.

R8 - that's odd - considering Michael Jackson stole that from another song himself. Yes, Rihanna used a sample of MJ's song, but it's kind of rich considering he took it himself.

Manu Dibango - Soul Makossa - I believe it was from Cameroon. Other parts of that song have been sampled for other songs too.

Wonder if MJ paid anything - I doubt it as I think that was before the laws were put into place regarding sampling credits.

Good artists take. Great artists steal. Quincy Jones spilled the tea of how shady Michael Jackson was and how Michael would steal songs from others.

Led Zeppelin are the biggest thieves in music history. They even have a wiki page.

While she is a mediocre (and I'm being generous) singer and lazy performer (she did attempt choreography for that Stranger song but looked stiff and awkward). I thought she had a lot of really catchy and well-produced feel-good songs (Come Clean, So Yesterday, Fly, Wake Up), way better than what she really deserved. I do wonder if she had found a new label during her period of popularity could she have gotten more hits and album sales. Disney obviously wanted to get rid of her once she turned 18 and her third album didn't do well. Hilary waited too long to do her fourth album and she was trying to do a Carly Rae or Kylie Minogue sound with it, I dug it, it wasn't a bad album honestly but it came out of the left field. She is not Beyoncé where she could just drop albums by surprise and expect it to be a hit.

Jesse McCartney had this song Leavin' where he tries to sound grown and macho and it's almost comical. Disney dumped him too probably he was older and also because pop star girls were a better investment.

Damn, did Led Zeppelin just rip off every blues singer?

R36 his highest charting song, at number 10.

Come Clean will be forever associated with Laguna Beach.

Yeah Laguna Beach gave Come Clean a life of its own.

I liked Sparks a lot. I was sad people didn’t embrace it more

MTV definitely was biased towards Hilary. Her videos won # 1 on TRL for weeks straight. Laguna Beach used "Come Clean" as a theme song. That Sweet 16 show used one of Hilary's songs too as a theme. I also remember Jesse McCartney, Lindsay Lohan, Miley Cyrus, Vanessa Hudgens and Ashley Tisdale were also getting a lot of love from MTV. It's odd to me actually how MTV (owned by VIACOM) was actively promoting Disney stars then,

R42 it’s about the music and what’s popular with the youth of the time. Not about who owns what.

What's even more bizarre is how MTV in the 80s and 90s refused to play tween pop stars and boy bands like Debbie, Tiffany, New Kids, Menudo, etc etc. They turned a leaf sometime in the late 90s obviously by embracing Backstreet Boys and Britney and later 2000s Disney stars.

Why is this board filled with trolls? Another exaggerated headline meant to make shit out of a woman. Give it up.

R45 Men and women both are guilty of plagiarism. Hilary was a manufactured pop star and ha a team that could get her the best songs, samples and production. You think people on this board don't make shit out of Justin Bieber, Shawn Mendes and BTS? Stop making celebrities out to be victims.

Hilary's final album "breathe in. breathe out." was so fuckijg good that even Tay Tay was accused of ripping it off. I forget which song because I don't listen to Taylor. But it's one of the few pop albums i can listen to from beginning to end.

R46, except she didn't commit plagiarism. Geez. The people who wrote the song for her sampled another song and credited the writer of the song they sampled. That's not plagiarism.

This song has the scariest breakdown in poprock!

R47 could they pick a shittier photo of Taylor 😄

R49 there's just no mistaking that Good Charlotte sound.

Complete rip-off!

^ Someone doesn't understand sampling

Depeche Mode got paid as "co-writers". She gave up half of the publishing rights to sample their song!

I remember an interview she gave where she said whenever she’s having a bad day or going through something, she calls up her writers to help put it into lyrics lol. I don’t believe she did that but I thought it was funny.

At that time too, songwriting was considered taking being a serious artist.

Pink is much under the radar for having started the pop-songwriter era. All those tween pop singers started “writing” to become taken more seriously after “Mizundastood”. Christina Aguilera copied that album from the producers down to the guest features with “Stripped”.

[Quote] I remember an interview she gave where she said whenever she’s having a bad day or going through something, she calls up her writers to help put it into lyrics lol. I don’t believe she did that but I thought it was funny.

She probably got Joel to help her.

She can't sing. Her tone is pretty though. I admit I enjoyed her music, it was well-produced pop rock. Let's get real here, nobody believes Hilary is an artist who writes and sings. She was a Disney pop tart and probably the first successful one. Most Disney Channel singers couldn't sing except Raven and Christy Carlson Romano. I find that hilarious because Disney animated movies will hire Broadway singers. Yet Disney Channel can't have real singers.

Raven and Christy outsang everyone. Yet Disney didn't promote any of their music.

Raven again dominating the song. You could tell Dylan and Cole were forced to be there

R56 her music was catchy and made good theme songs for MTV shows.

Adore Hilary. But she was seminal in my babydyke years, so I’m biased.

To this day I still bump her song ‘Stranger’. Though it’s auto-tuned to hell, somehow it sounds fresh and cyberpunkish while also having a primal dancey chanty element—kind of like Britney’s ‘Break The Ice’ or ‘Boys’ goes, or any darker dronefunk/techno-heavy JPop hit you might care to name.

‘Stranger’ proves that Hil could dance a little, too. Ok, it was only rudimentary belly and a few club shapes, but she could do it. Her body did look amazing during that time.

Her DIGNITY album is still so good though??? Kara DioGuardia (of the band Mad Doll) did such stellar work on it.

‘No Work, All Play’ is so uplifting to me🌤and ‘Happy’ is a killer “fuck you I’m over you!!” song🙃

OP more importantly how did Hilary get away with moving so many bottles of a mature, heavy, sickly, dirty, punchy, musky, boozy-curry androgynous perfume to a demo comprised almost entirely of teen girls?

Ok, it was packaged in a glam girly flanker and the juice was technically designed as an inoffensive tropical-oriental scent for beach-and-mallrats, but who in the West has even heard of mangosteen?

To this day it’s one of the best-selling and most lauded celeb fragrances of all time, and I’m like...why? Never smelled it myself tbh but it sounds disgusting.

Many reviews describe it as smelling of ‘rotting fruit & limp celery’, ‘sweaty gym sauna’, and ‘the dirty porch of an old cat lady’. It also garners unflattering comparisons to Avon scents.

[quote]Mandy Moore was better.

Omg. I thought they were the same person.

Is Hilary Duff bisexual? Asking for a friend..