This changes everything. Outdoor transmission of the delta variant = the DL fatty hasn’t sung yet.

If they were trapped bottleneck at the doors...

Eric Feigl-Ding is a scare mongering alarmist. His sky is always falling.

Who wants humanity's stuff?

R2, the original tweet is not by him. Do you have an ad hominem accusation against Dr. Noor Bari, too?

The only thing this would change, once proven by multiple institutes across various countries, is that we'll have to mask up outside while we keep vaccinating as many people as we can. This too, shall pass. No need for panic.

I've had my shots

Just think of how many people across the globe have received the inferior Sinovac

Oh Shit we’re screwed

[quote] the original tweet is not by him. Do you have an ad hominem accusation against Dr. Noor Bari, too?

If you don’t see the tonal difference between what Dr. Bari tweeted and what Eric tweeted, I don’t know what to tell you.

Outdoor wedding:

Outdoor pool party:

Dr Eric Dingleberry is a withered front hole, but concern about Delta is valid.

What scares me (and I'm fully vaccinated) is getting a mild breakthrough infection and then suffering long-term neurological effects.

We know so little about this virus, and even less about Delta

The administration needs to do something about the Delta variant. It’s not enough to just say everyone should get vaccinated, since we are seeing breakthrough cases. We need an updated vaccine or booster shots.

What we need are vaccine passports and businesses mandating the vaccine for employers, those are the only things that will get us to the immunity level we need.

Some of you really need to stay off Twitter or stop positing it here, because all you're doing is making a bunch people who get hysterical quite easily even more hysterical. Calm down and get the vaccine.

If people are getting Covid despite being vaccinated, that’s not immunity.

Dataloungers always have their eyes peeled for anything that suggests total doom for all of humanity. There’s a feeling very close to glee when they find it.

Well, fuck. My little sister played the guilt card and dragged me to the beach the other day.

It is a fairly cult beach in Wales—mildly busy and small but not packed, and most of the time there was metres of space between us and other people and no bottlenecks to speak of, but still...

RIP me I guess. At least I got to see England get to a cup final😔

Get tested tomorrow morning to put your mind at ease, little R19

I may sound crazy but I am honestly starting to believe my friend in Exeter who keeps saying he thinks this was created in a lab as biological warfare and hence, they will always be able to tweak it. He says that this didn't happen with AIDS...why is it happening now? Anyone here who actually knows something about it?

Not much of a weapon now, is it? Between 1 and 2% mortality rate, with mostly the elderly getting the short end of the stick, doesn't exactly scream "world domination" to me.

R22 - well, he didn't say it was unleashed on purpose, he said it just got out of the lab by accident and now that the horse is out of the barn, they can always make it more deadly and more contagious over time. Anyway, I can't get behind that 100%, but I do find it an interesting theory. BTW, I sure hope that, now that you are on the red list as of yesterday, the coffeeshops are still open. Also, that you got the second jab.

[quote]I may sound crazy but I am honestly starting to believe my friend in Exeter who keeps saying he thinks this was created in a lab as biological warfare and hence, they will always be able to tweak it.

your friend, like many, is only partial right. it came out of wuhan, one of the largest virology centers in the world, so yes, created in a lab. but the rest is likely nonsense.

The low mortality rate doesn’t seem to be the issue. It is the chaos achieved. Attacking the economic engine combined with tech disruptions.

I'm vaccinated and so are my teen kids. We all have bad colds right now. I'm worried that it's covid.

[quote] It is a fairly cult beach

Is that a thing?

R26 Get tested. Delta presents with more cold-like symptoms at first.

R28 Would they give us tamiflu or anything?

With markets collapsing because of Delta, maybe the government will now do something about it.

What about ME?

Does this mean the "Shopping Is Like Hell" threads will soon be returning?

Delta x Rabies would be the MOST!

This is hysteria at its worst. Don't worry if you're vaccinated.

R34 - how do we not worry when we are again looking at the possibility of lockdowns and restrictions?

Delta and Rabies? How do you know I'm the one who feeds the foxes? (Okay, I am). Or were you talking about something that I don't understand?

Don't mess with Delta!

Don't look at me!

Delta shmelta.

A look back, r32....

[quote] how do we not worry when we are again looking at the possibility of lockdowns and restrictions?

Who is “we”? I don’t think there’s any way in hell that America will go back into any kid of lockdown or stay at home order. There would be civil war.

Didn’t BoJo lift all restrictions for England today? I can’t imagine him imposing any more lockdowns or restrictions, either.

[quote] don’t think there’s any way in hell that America will go back into any kid of lockdown or stay at home order.

Yeah, that absolutely will not happen. It was barely tolerated the first time.

R41 - I disagree. If they start seeing full ICU's they will absolutely go into lockdown. You had a few fringe groups protest but for the most part, it was tolerated. People get scared and most abide. I am trying to plan travel and everyday, more countries in the EU go on the red list and more restrictions pop up. Literally everyone is telling me and my roommate to "go, NOW, before they lock us up again" when we talk about travel. For example, a couple next door said they thanked heaven that they got home a day before Holland was, again, on the red list and not had to do isolating and shell out money for PCR tests. Also, they only just now got on the red list, wait until they start closing things againd. Coming to the U.S. soon.

R41 and R42 - It was tolerated and anyway, once the government implements measures, there is little people can do except for a few fringe groups. It's ready started in Europe.

[quote] If they start seeing full ICU's they will absolutely go into lockdown. You had a few fringe groups protest but for the most part, it was tolerated.

I’ll bet you money that the US will not go back into a lockdown or stay at home. Sure, people complied for the most part with the first one, but so much has happened since then. When over half the population refuses to get the vaccine and even some COVID believers who have been vaxed are now refusing to wear a mask, it’s no where near the same climate it was at the beginning of COVID. We’ll never lock down again no matter how bad it gets. Bet.

Fuck another lockdown. People are over it, including people like me who have had their shots. We can't shut down the world forever for what is like a nasty flu.

Met up with a friend Saturday. We are both vaccinated. Guess what, she texts me today, she tested positive for COVID this afternoon. She had felt fine then got a terrible headache Sunday night.

R47 where did you meet and what were you doing? How busy was the area? And were you masking?

[quote]Literally everyone is telling me and my roommate to "go, NOW, before they lock us up again" when we talk about travel.

Or perhaps literally everyone wishes you and your roommate dead.

We were not wearing masks. We sat indoors at a restaurant and had lunch. Not busy at all

If we go back into lockdown then democrats will most definitely lose the midterms. There is no way you're going to sell another lockdown to the majority of the American people when there is a vaccine.

Well, R51, thanks to the Republicans, too few people are getting the vaccine. A miracle vaccine, available to everyone over their teens, and Republicans would rather risk a pandemic.

R45 - I will take the bet. I think by now people see on and off again lockdowns as normal. And, R51, remember that many aren't vaccinated.

Fucking despicable shitty China! Firstly they spread the fucking, annihilating, shithole plague, and now they sell a fucking, shithole, ineffective vaccine to poor countries. Some vaccine deals are tied to their loans, or even a requirement to enter their shitshole, deplorable toxic shitdump. The worst, most disgusting piece of shit country in the universe.

R49 - maybe me, but if she dies who are they gonna borrow money at the end of the month from?

You've got to love the Doc's name though... Is he a Feygele or a Ding-a-ling? Could be both I'm assuming.

[quote]Also, you're a bitch...

Why thank you! Thank you so much!

R4 I just have to say:

ad hominem..........i love it...I'm adding that one to my pretentious words vocabulary ..

Oh my...don't let me interrupt the mud slinging.....carry on

"Ad hominem" is a fairly standard phrase; you'll have to aim higher if you want a really pretentious vocabulary.

Funny that ‘Ad hominem’ means ‘against the man’, which in this case can’t happen because of the MANY LAYERS OF FAT standing between him and said man.

Left to their own devices, they will go back to eating each other.

It was 15-16 months ago I think that I wrote on DL that the virus would win because it’s more patient than we are.

Yes, this seems to be transmitting so easily and with such force that it doesn't matter if it's indoors or outdoors.

Before, we used to think you had to be close to someone for 10-15 minutes to get infected. Now, with the Delta variant, it seems to take 10-15 seconds.

[quote] Fucking despicable shitty China! Firstly they spread the fucking, annihilating, shithole plague, and now they sell a fucking, shithole, ineffective vaccine to poor countries.

Fucking despicable shitty America. First we have access to the most effective vaccines and yet 30-40% of Americans won't take it...or mask.

[quote] If we go back into lockdown then democrats will most definitely lose the midterms. There is no way you're going to sell another lockdown to the majority of the American people when there is a vaccine.

Ironically, even Sean Hannity came out yesterday in support of vaccinations.

So, even the deplorables are FINALLY getting the message that vaccinate or get sick.

By the way, when exactly did we have a lockdown?? NEVER. All we had were limitations on gatherings and indoor dining.

Europe had real lockdowns, policed by law enforcement.

WEAR YOUR MASK, indoor AND outdoor, vaccinated AND unvaccinated, adults AND kids

Unless people live alone and never go anywhere and then suddenly go somewhere and get covid I have never understood how people determine when and where they caught covid.

There is a not small part of me that thinks that the rethugs et al. are doing everything they can to INCREASE deaths and infections in order to point to Biden and say "see, cheeto did a much better job. We had it under control when he left office. Now, look."

The unvaxxed shouldn't be allowed in any crowded spaces (stadiums, flights, buses, parks, malls, theaters, etc.) unless they can show proof of a negative test takes within 48 hours and the government should stop paying for these tests. Put the burden of proof on them and they'll get vaxxed in a jiffy, like in France.

In America we have ridiculous concerns for individual freedoms at the expense of public safety (e.g., guns).

[quote] We’ll never lock down again no matter how bad it gets. Bet.

If the virus starts killing younger people, say those under 50, you bet your ass we will lock down. And people will do it willingly.

The main thing that has kept this virus from being taken seriously is the fact that almost everyone who is killed by the virus is over 80 years old.

If that changes and your coworkers and your Instacart shopper and your bank teller start dropping, then even the casual deplorables will fall in line.

The hard core deplorables are probably a lost cause.

If it really fills up the hospitals, many people will be angry that they can't get their hip replacements and chemo, etc. And they'll get scared they'll have a heart attack or stroke and the hospitals will be in crisis mode.

I listen to Zuby

I call bullshit on these claims.

I got my first jab today.

[quote]I listen to Zuby

More the fool you.

We can designate areas specific to the unvaxxed so that they can congregate with their kind and the rest of us can avoid them. I nominate Chili's and Applebee's. Their type seem to like those kinds of places.

My co-worker’s large family is on a beach vacation this week: multiple neighboring houses 35 people (all have been vaccinated except 4 toddlers): one of the men thought he had a sinus infection but still went on the trip. Day 2 feels like shit goes to urgent care they tell him it’s covid, which he continues to dispute because he’s vaccinated. He and his wife leave to infect everyone on their drive home I would assume. Any bets on how many of the 35 people will get Covid now? Yikes!

Besides this I have heard of four other vaccinated folks I know around the country that have tested positive in the past 5 days. Mask up folks this variant is getting around.

[quote]We are now seeing lots of outdoor-only #DeltaVariant transmission between strangers with no direct contact. These sports attendees weren’t even sitting together—likely fleeting transmission at “pinch points” (bottlenecks) at stadium🏟 gates.

But if you're in a bottleneck, you ARE in direct contact with someone.

You're in their space and breathing their air.

Bottlenecks aren't "fleeting," as anyone who's ever been in traffic can tell you.

Confine the unvaccinated to their homes. Deliver their food by slipping it under their doors.

I’ll have the extra thin crust pizza R79

The unvaccinated will eliminate themselves from society. Today, Italy announced that they will follow Macron's lead. There is talk here that Merkel and the Romanian president (a German guy very close to Merkel) will do the same by fall. Once it starts in the west, it follows in the east. The countries that don't follow Macron will be seen as cesspools. I pray and hope that after the recall, we see the same in California when I go home.

Well if this is easily transmitted and air born, and it is, think about it. Remember the problems we had with the supply chain and the food industry? Remember how workers at meat processing plants got so sick the plants had to be shut down? Ag workers are already trying to work with all the smoke and wildfires and extreme heat. And think about our restaurants. How the hell can they stay open with all the workers who will get sick.. So no, I don't see a government-mandate shut everything down ule, but I do see more small businesses affected, more and more shortages again.

R82 - well those people you mention will have to get vaccinated. It has to be mandatory. Otherwise, we WILL have shortages and economic problems.

Agree with R82 and R83. The holdouts will be pariahs, AS THEY SHOULD BE, because they will not only be risking others health but our supply chain and national security as well. Those unvaccinated who live through their infections, of course! They do have their hydrocloroquine, zinc and Azrithromycim going for them! 🤣

AP: COVID-19 cases nearly tripled in the U.S. over two weeks amid an onslaught of vaccine misinformation that is straining hospitals, exhausting doctors and pushing clergy into the fray.

Across the U.S., the seven-day rolling average for daily new cases rose over the past two weeks to more than 37,000 on Tuesday, up from less than 13,700 on July 6.

Health officials blame the delta variant and slowing vaccination rates. Just 56.2% of Americans have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine.

Then vaccination of these stubborn (or deluded) holdouts has to start NOW, not in he next month or two. It takes a month to deliver the full vaccine and then another two weeks for it to kick in fully. Meanwhile the virus is spreading among the anti-mask anti-vax morons. Is anyone seeing evidence in a sharp increase in vaccination appointments now that the consequences are becoming obvious?

I live in an area where the public schools are planning a full reopening this September (or maybe it's even end of August), with no option for remote learning (as was done last year). So a large population of unvaccinated kids are going to be together all day while increasingly infectious variants are circulating. Masks are not going to do it (and I have to say, the kids I know are good about wearing masks).

Forget Delta, Lamda's coming from South America

R84 - they will also one day cost us because they will become long-haulers and I bet you anything they aren't the guys who wore masks and still got it like some of the poor souls on this board. A lot of them are MAGA scum who probably infected innocents. I wonder if one day, guys like DeSantis will be sued or somehow made to answer for what they perpetuated.

[quote]Then vaccination of these stubborn (or deluded) holdouts has to start NOW, not in he next month or two.

How do you propose to vaccinate people who don't want to be vaccinated?

[quote]they will also one day cost us because they will become long-haulers

They'll cost us sooner than that because they will continue to be breeding grounds for new variants, (at least) one of which is going to outwit current vaccines.

Any constitutional law folks on this thread? Can the President, through executive order, mandate either the vaccine or a vaccine passport?

[quote] Then vaccination of these stubborn (or deluded) holdouts has to start NOW

Biden should have gotten smart 4 months ago and replaced Fauci. He's a polarizing fame whore

He should have gotten someone who no one knew.

He still can and they can have a town hall meeting and even have one on fox news and that other crazy channel.

Here's the truth, people not getting vaccinated will be responsible for the virus mutating again. Each time the virus mutates, it risks the vaccine working less and less. It could even make it completely ineffective. It could even lead to Covid killing more people at a higher rate. It could even lead to Covid killing kids, on the same rate as it kills adults

They could also share the data and show HOW FUCKING SHITTY AMERICA HAS DONE regarding Covid (the worst in the world)

I compared these 3 other countries with the state of Georgia. These 3 other countries did lockdowns and WORE MASKS. Masks work

Vietnam - 96.5 million people Japan - 126 million people Australia - 25.4 million people Georgia -10.6 million people (the state of Georgia)

Vietnam - 65,607 cases / 334 deaths

Japan - 844,347 cases / 15,006 deaths

Australia - 32,427 cases / 915 deaths

Georgia - 1,149,266 cases/ 21,564 deaths

They could also show America's cases vs India's cases

America - 34,229.841 cases / 609,870 deaths

India - 31,257,720 cases / 418,987 deaths

India has 4 TIMES the population of America. 1.6 BILLION people vs 335 million people

There's already a new mutation (Lambda)

Viruses of this sort mutate, people. Important mutations are relatively rare, so the more disease that's around, the more likely they are to happen. That's why you have to have a flu vaccination every year: not because it wears off but because there is so much flu in the world that important mutations are common year to year.

At the moment there's so much Covid in the world that it's got plenty of chances to mutate. Inefficient mutations die out fast, so the ones you hear about are always going to be New Improved Covid with Extra Contagiousness and/or Extra Lethality. (China doesn't need to manufacture worse forms of the virus: they will happen naturally while ever there is a lot of it.)

The MRNA vaccines promised 90-95% efficacy in trial, and 80-88% efficacy against the Delta variant in the real world. That means up to 12 people in every 100 who are fully vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna will still get the disease if exposed to it. That's a lot. Almost none of those people will get really ill, and likely only around 1 in a million will die, BUT no trials have yet been concluded about how much the vaccine dilutes your ability to transmit it if you do get it. That's why you should still socially distance and wear masks, especially with Delta spreading as it is.

The next steps, beyond getting everyone in the world vaccinated so new mutations are curbed, are MRNA boosters that give you better cover for the latest known variants; and better, more widespread treatments so that people who do go to hospital don't die. There is also need for more research into Long Covid, which seems to affect younger people more. The Delta variant, which likes young people, poses an extra problem for them.

R92, you're proposing to use logic to sway people who are impervious to it.

[quote]Biden should have gotten smart 4 months ago and replaced Fauci. He's a polarizing fame whore

I don't think it would have mattered because it would have been Biden's pick, and Republicans see anything Biden does as polarizing.

Great article.

[quote]How do you propose to vaccinate people who don't want to be vaccinated?

Easy. Bar them from bars, restaurants and offices. Only allowed in stores double masked.

Oh, that's "unconstitutional"? Not really. Courts settled public health issues with the Spanish flu 100 years ago.

[quote]Important mutations are relatively rare

Just like sperm, every mutation is sacred.

The Supreme Court says that they can ban baking me a cake (or any over service) because they don't like WHO I FUCK but I can't ban them from my place of business if they can spread a potentially deadly disease? GTFOOH! Maybe MY "religion" is SCIENCE motherfuckers, SCIENCE that wants as many people to stay alive and unaffected by COVID as possible!

R97 - tax them more. On EVERYTHING. Period. Once it hits their bank account, they will BEG to be vaccinated.

How do you fight this?

Boy, if there is any medical expert whose opinion is more trustworthy than Dr. Anthony Fauci and the CDC, it has absolutely got to be Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding!

Dr. Immanuel was too busy busting ghosts in pre-schooler's vaginas and Rand was getting his ass beat up by his neighbor again, so we had to go with actual experts, R102. Sorry! When the Monkey Pox gets big here in America, we'll be sure to hit up Dr. Ronnie Jackson and Debbie Scarf for their opinion on lightbulbs, bleach and essential oils!

Now I’m wondering if I should do water aerobics...

Delta, Delta, Delta, can I infect ya, infect ya, infect ya?

And you get a vaccine! And you get a vaccine! And you!

R101 He is so hot. A true alpha male. He survived the virus with his own immune system.

Bump

Is OP’s title English?

[quote] Easy. Bar them from bars, restaurants and offices. Only allowed in stores double masked.

I'll add to that, only allowed in stores if they can show a negative test taken within 72 hours, and tests no longer covered by the government. The moment it touches their pockets you'll see them marching straight into the vaccination centers.