Britney Spears: "Eat Shit And Step on Legos"

Southern manners, huh.

Oh, my

[quote] Southern manners, huh.

So stealth. Her message is for people like you.

She sounds like she’s five years old

Well, I never in all my life!

I like her a lot, and she's not wrong.

Dataloungers are going to gasp and clutch as if they're shocked by what she wrote, then they'll wander over to a political thread where Matt is screaming death threats and racist slurs and not even notice. Then they'll call eight to ten people a "cunt" and call it a night.

Mah cooter itches, y'all!

I am SERIOUS!

No comment on this.

[Quote] I like her a lot

Might that cloud your judgment?

She needs to be sent to the Chadwick School.

Obviously she cannot be controlled in THIS environment!

[quote] Dataloungers are going to gasp and clutch as if they're shocked by what she wrote, then they'll wander over to a political thread where Matt is screaming death threats and racist slurs and not even notice.

Those aren't Dataloungers. Those are hetero people like you who come to this site posing as gay men. You try to perpetuate gay stereotypes but fail.

What awards show would invite Jamie Lynn Spears to perform Britney Spears' songs? Is there video?

She’s fine. She’s upset and has every right to be.

But I really wish she would stop those dancing videos. She looks high as fuck in them.

And she can't twirl for shit.

I'm sorry you're bored on a Saturday night r11 but you'll have to find someone else to bait into a fight.

R12

So is she basically saying that her little sister is a treacherous, leeching cunt?

Did Britney write those songs?

Jamie Lynn has ridden Britney's coattails for years. And has benefited greatly from the conservatorship. She needs to go away.

I still want to know what was up with Jamie Lynn blurting out that she was running over cats in her driveway all the time.

WELL!

*clutches pearls*

Thanks, r16. How bizarre.

That video is hilarious. Britney is trying to contain her cringe but Mama Lynne is Absolutely living for it!

[quote] I'm sorry you're bored on a Saturday night [R11] but you'll have to find someone else to bait into a fight.

And I'm sorry that you interpreted the truth as bait for a fight, R15. Like you, I simply posted response. I'm not taking your bait to argue.

Jamie Lynn looks like Appalachian trash, the brother, mother, and father and her have all been taking advantage of Britney's weakness.

I just don't want Britney to blow it though by getting too cocky, she hasn't won yet. But I don't blame her for wanting to blow off steam.

Poor Britney. Her whole family is a bunch of grifters. Just like Whitney Houston's.

R18 Interestingly, Britney had almost no writing credits on most of her adult albums until her most recent. She dug her heels in and refused to record another bland pop album under her management's direction and wanted to do something a little different. They finally relented and she cowrote every song on her most recent album, and the album sold a lot more than its recent precedessors, with critics saying it sounds more like the old Britney and more interesting than her other recent work. So it seems that she does have creative talents of her own.

Britney has internet access?

Her spelling is worlds better than a lot of internet dwellers.

I think it was the New Yorker article a few weeks back that said all of her social media posts were reviewed by a committee to make sure she didn't mention the conservatorship and posted for her. Hopefully this means she's being allowed to post for herself, or the committee knows they can't shut her up anymore. Everyone knows too much about what's been done to her.

It's always a mistake to address the "haters." It just shows them that their words penetrate.

Nice, R27

R27 she played piano for every time.

It doesn't seem like that's how it works r31. No matter what forum or social media I'm on, there are always just tons of people who spew hate even if they don't get a single reply, and they do it day in and day out. They don't need feedback, they just keep doing it.

In that kind of climate, you might as well speak your mind, especially if you're really addressing the media, which is clearly what Britney is doing here.

[Quote] It doesn't seem like that's how it works [R31]. No matter what forum or social media I'm on, there are always just tons of people who spew hate even if they don't get a single reply, and they do it day in and day out. They don't need feedback, they just keep doing it.

I'm not suggesting they need feedback. But giving them attention only pleases them.

[Quote] especially if you're really addressing the media, which is clearly what Britney is doing here.

Hmmm? Are there wall-to-wall stories on Britney's twirling?

She has my respect now.

“…I ended up getting a contact high from weed all the time ... which I didn't mind but it would have been nice to be able to go to the mother fucking spa…” 🍁 🌲

Yeah, Britney wrote the music and cowrote the lyrics for Everytime and also influenced the music video direction. It's one of her most critically appreciated songs but it was controversial because the video (at Britney's insistence) features a suicide.

I think she has a My Name Is Earl type series in her future.

Most people don’t know Britney can play the piano.

Whoops, this is the official Everytime video.

.....

Britney remains an exceptionally pretty woman.

I expected her to look bedraggled by this point, but she doesn't at all.

My concern is that she may not be able to manage the dollars that are still in the bank. Can her beau add and subtract? Better yet - will her new atty advise her and protect her?

R44 That's the reason everyone is giving for holding her captive. Jesus. No one locked up Charlie Sheen or any other celebrity who has blown his fortune on drugs and hookers.

I couldn't give two shits about Britney. But this rant makes me sorta love her.

She can spend all her money if she wants. She earned it.

But did Sam Lutfi?

I hope she gets the baby girl she has always wanted. But I am leery of her boyfriend and the grifters who will surround her, out of the frying pan into the fire as they say.

Sharon Stone in Casino here-we-come!

How did this message get out? If her social media is managed as detailed in the New Yorker, how does this happen? If the conservatorship is still in place, I don’t understand how the team lets this get out. Either she can post directly - or it’s managed. If this is a direct post, it’s extremely significant - it means she has been given control back. Something major must have happenened behind the scenes.

It's been claimed that she sends her posts to the team that managers her social media. They are the ones who upload the posts.

R51 Her attorney quit and was replaced by a new attorney and her co-conservators have asked to quit. Maybe her lawyer was screening everything on behalf of her father, or maybe her new lawyer has greater authority now that the co-conservators have asked to step away. Either way, on Weds, Britney got a new lawyer of her own choosing and now she is posting her own candid messages.

As I said in r25 she hasn't won yet, don't play into their hands by making yourself look crazy. But I know it has to feel good to be able to finally say what she wants.

Didn't she post Jamie Lynn as one of her heroes recently?

I agree R43. When they were younger, Britney and Jamie Lynn looked more alike. Now Jamie Lynn looks rough. Britney has had very good work.

Remember when Brit-Brit was aging-out of the male fantasy of The Naughty Schoolgirl and they started grooming Jamie-Lynn to take over? Then she got knocked-up and that fell through.

Britney's face has aged, but she still has that great smile.

Jamie Lynn's husband looks like a southern preacher, she must be bitter that she has to go to bed with that.

She sounds more together than Matt

Wish she had called out her mother in that post. Her mother deserves all the venom, too. Lynne Spears is a grifter and coattail rider.

Lynne Spears is her mother and she MADE HER.

Millions of people fuck it up and lose their savings, make bad choices and act nutty. Post stuff on SM they regret. That's life. All it takes is a portion of her money that can sustain her lifestyle to be set aside. The rest she should be able to blow on whatever she wants. Make mistakes and do what the rest of us do. Get it wrong half the time. This whole setup reeked.

[Quote] that can sustain her lifestyle

Therein may lie the rub. Was anything made public about her spending back in the late '00s?

r62 = Lynne Spears, mother, grifter, pimp

Britney is a performer not an artist. She mostly doesn't write songs or even can sing her songs (her voice is very autotuned or even blended heavily with other singers). Everytime though was her concept and she was involved but she still had a lot of help with that. I really can't stand her style of singing especially as she aged. She sounds like a chain-smoking chipmunk. I wanted to like Glory but her voice really took me out of what was a well-produced album.

[quote] Lynne Spears is her mother and she MADE HER.

Jive Records (and to a lesser extent Disney) MADE Britney Spears. Lynne was no more superior than Dina Lohan.

[quote] Eat Shit And Step on Legos

Has Erna responded?

[Quote] her voice really took me out of what was a well-produced album.

This describes any Madonna release since Confessions.

This bitch is a mess. I don’t see things ending well for her whether she stays in the conservatorship or gets out. She wants attention one minute, the next she doesn’t. Get off IG and/or quit reading the comments if they bother you.

Just end the conservatorship and let her be an idiot or have another breakdown. I will feel bad for her kids though.

Only in America could a rich celebrity get this much media attention and sympathy over topics like ending poverty and hunger, prison and education reform and protections over the environment. Celebrity worship is so ingrained in our society.

R71 Thank you! It’s just ridiculous! Yet nobody gives a damn about the thousands of people who are seriously mentally ill and on the street with absolutely no help. Just goes to show how obsessed our stupid society is with celebrities.

She does sound child like. Why don’t they give her a portion of her money to manage and see how she does. If not, give it all to her, let her blow through it. I really don’t see this ending well.

This whole post seems out of character for Britney. She usually never disses her family like this. And Britney always spoke fondly of Jamie Lynn which makes this even more bizarre. People have a conspiracy that her social media team speeds up her videos and purposely make her look crazy. Yet this post here makes her seem more crazy than those embarrassing than harmless dancing videos she was doing for years.

They don't want her to blow her money not because they care about her, but because they are living off her money too.

And you can bet that if she does get out of the conservatorship and things end up a disaster, the same stupid ass fans that insisted she be “free” will be the same ones changing their tune and crying about why did they let the conservatorship end when she was so fragile.🙄

R74, Britney said a month ago in court that she wants to sue her entire family. She’s pissed Jamie Lynn has sat by for 14 years and ignored her pleas for help. It’s understandable.

R71= deflection

Like you care about any of those things, lol.

R76 Britney's family created this mess. She should not have to be in an unjust conservatorship she doesn't want, just because she's damaged by her trauma.

Britney is a year younger than me. When she first hit the scene over twenty years ago, i thought she'd be a distant memory by now. The enduring fascination with this woman is .... well, fascinating.

She doesn't sound crazy in this post at all, maybe a little immature but there aren't many child celebrities who aren't still immature when they get older. "People try to kill hope because hope is one of the most vulnerable and fragile things there is" isn't crazy or insane or indicative of her needing constant conservatorship.

Jamie Lynn was a Royal cunt on Zoey 101.

Jamie Lynn's co-star alleges that JL and their other female co-star behaved so poorly towards her that the other co-star was fired. She alleges that Britney threatened her onset, at Jamie Lynn's behest.

No matter what, this doesn't end well. Even if her family is horrible and she can cut herself loose, she'll probably end up procreating again with a con man.

R84 why do you care?

Britney is the least talented female entertainer ever. Next to Janet. She played the piano!!!!!!! OMG at a very elementary student level. She wrote her most critically acclaimed song! That’s easy since none of her songs are exactly quality. She is average looking-NEVER beautiful.

Britney's accessibility is precisely why she is the people's sweetheart.

Maybe she's the millennials' Judy Garland (minus the talent).

The people’s sweetheart? OMFG. She’s a no talent hack who has mental issues and is sweet in a dumb way. Fuck standards are low.

How will her suicide rank with Monroe's and Garland's?

She had a decent voice until she started singing with vocal fry

[quote]Jamie Lynn's co-star alleges that JL and their other female co-star behaved so poorly towards her that the other co-star was fired. She alleges that Britney threatened her onset, at Jamie Lynn's behest.

I remember that well. But don’t tell the Shitney stans that - she’s a perfect sweet southern sweetheart in their delusional minds.

Most KIDS sounds ok. Their voices aren’t developed. Britney could never sing.

The voice was never solid. She had almost no access to her head voice.

She sounds like she’s in a bipolar manic state?

Nope R95. In my business we would say Britney, with her minimal education, has low abstract thinking abilities. She is a concrete thinker.

Fairly logical and comprehensible- the opposite of what you would see in mania.

Britney never could sing well. She was a little girl with a big voice which works for pageants or elementary school choirs. You really can't compare a child's singing to an adult's singing. She never learned how to sing with a proper technique as an adult. She spent her teen years doing a bad and nasally Whitney impression until Jive told her to stop and to sound like a nasally babydoll moaning to Max Martin's beats. She was completely marketed on her youth and sex appeal not her talent. Granted, she used to sing live when she toured malls and during her first album tour but she stopped because she realized she couldn't sing the songs the way they sounded in the studio and decided to focus more on choreography. Now she went from being a mediocre singer to not being able to sing at all. She ruined her already thin voice and now just talk-sings to heavy autotune and oe even uses ghost singers.

Christina Aguilera, caterwauling or not, was a real singer even as a young girl and she got signed before Britney did. Christina's music is hit or miss but she was always talented. Justin Timberlake couldn't sing either but he got better over the years with the practice he got performing with a live band and you hear the improvement on The 20/20 Experience.

R78 Oh please. You know damn well that you wouldn't care about freeing Britney if she wasn't a famous pop star. If she was part of millions of homeless or incarcerated population with severe mental illnesses who don't get any proper treatment or freedom then I doubt you would give Britney the time of day. Too many people are only on this bandwagon because it's a celebrity, as soon as Britney is "freed" then these people will go on their merry way and continue to not give a shit about millions of unfamous people who still suffer abuse from the system due to their disabilities, being poor or a minority.

R97 Just my opinion—I expect to be crucified for this—but Christina Aguilera has an astonishing vocal talent, yet she can't sing well.

Britney has (for a professional singer) poor pitch and poor vocal control and she has been made to sing in a register that is at odds with her real voice. Like Madonna, though, she is an emotive vocal performer and that compensates for lackluster technical ability. Yes, her voice is engineered in her studio recordings, but she has had a lot of songs resonate with the masses and it's not just because she was cute. She is a strong vocal performer, which is difficult to accept given relatively weak technical vocals.

Christina Aguilera to me was always a lot prettier (Britney is cute, which is different.) and her voice is undeniably superior in every way: pitch, resonance, dynamism. Yet while people like Britney and Madonna can tell stories that resonate with people, Christina seems only to be willing and able to show off her powerful vocals in the same way in almost every song. Some people LOVE music of this type, but to me, it's one dimensional and boring and annoying to hear belting song after belting song with endless vocal runs. Hearing performances like this can make listeners impressed with the singer's abilities, but it's hard (for me, anyway) to get absorbed into the song when it's performed in this way. Doing long melismas over and over and over with no restraint is like singing scales over and over. It takes the focus away from the song itself and puts it on the singer's ability. I studied creative writing, and to me, singing the way Aguilera does is like a graduate writing student indulging in every writing flourish that they can come up with rather than using such flourishes judiciously. Few people want to read overwrought writing; they'd rather read a good story told well with mediocre writing.

It's sad to me because Aguilera has a very pretty, delicate voice when she does temper herself, but she just so rarely does that. I think this is her best performance because of it, but even listening to this quiet song, I can hear impulses in her voice to blow some of the notes out of the water. She just doesn't have much restraint and it makes her music so hard for me to listen to.

Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey by comparison did a lot of runs, too, but they were extremely judicious about when to do it them by comparison to Aguilera.

And Lady Gaga can blow her pipes very similarly to Aguilera but she uses her voice in a much more dynamic way that may sound less impressive most of the time, but it paradoxically makes for better songs most of the time.

Christina is more talented but comes off as a bitch. Although I don’t totally buy Britney’s sweet country girl act she always came off as more likable than Christina. When Madonna kissed Christina and Britney all the headlines the next day were of Madonna kissing Britney which showed her greater star power.

R99 Amen.

I loathe this kind of music.

Both Britney and Xtina are really singles artists. None of them have truly great albums but they have songs that they are remembered for. Britney focuses on making club bangers and throws them at a wall to see what sticks. While Christina is very ambitious with ideas but often poor in execution mainly because she's too arrogant to listen to other input. Rihanna and Katy Perry are the same way, singles artists but not groundbreaking albums. I think Beyoncé, Pink, Usher, Lady Gaga, Taylor and Timberlake actually makes cohesive and influential albums though they may not be everyone's cup of tea.

R102 I disagree about Britney's albums. I mostly listen to Tori Amos, Kate Bush, et al. type music, but I own a lot of Britney albums and I listen to the majority of the songs on the majority of her albums. There are a few duds, but she has recorded a lot of songs that were never released as singles and are better than many of her singles. Another similarity with Madonna is that Britney Spears's music is consistently better produced, somehow always sounds more polished and sophisticated, than a lot of other pop artists' music, even if it's not particularly sophisticated.

Also, a lot of Britney's non-single tracks are actually quite melancholy and somber, if not in sound of then in sentiment, and I think people who are only familiar with her hits really have no idea about that.

Here's one of my favorite Britney songs. I really felt like this should have been a single. It could have reset people's notions of her persona from the mindless bubblegum icon people see her as being.

Britney may not be a talented vocalist, but I enjoy her music more than the caterwauling of Christina or Mariah. And she's certainly more interesting and charismatic than the likes of JLo, Dua Lipa, and their ilk.

Britney shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence as Mariah. Mariah is a singer. Britney is a studio creation who’s lucky to still be relevant today.

If she is trying to convince a judge that she is sane, this seems an odd way to go about it.

[quote]They finally relented and she co-wrote every song on her most recent album,

Briteny "co-writes" songs the same way Madonna and Beyonce do: By saying "like, add another 'baby' there, OK?

R98=whataboutism

Why do anything about x when y is also an abuse? Great excuse for apathy about everything, isn't it?

Those saying Britney isn't talented are so hypocritical and deluded. Shall we admit that Judy and Liza were hardly the best singers in the world? Charisma and iconic status are mysterious things. Britney will never fade because she has that 'representative' quality (wish I could say it better) that makes people identify with her. As for beauty, she has a compelling look that has carried her through four decades of stardom. Hope she is around in her 80s to give those great interviews like Bette Davis.

You're seriously comparing Judy and Britney? Favorably to the latter?

I wish Jamie Spears would just leave. It’s only a matter of time.

R74

That interesting. I haven't really followed this saga until it hit the news, but when I went to take a look at Britney's IG, I also immediately noticed that the videos seemed to be sped up and that it makes Britney look manic.

This spoken video seems like it may have been sped up just a tiny amount, too. Her speaking voice is not usually quite this high and she speaks too rapidly at the beginning of the video.

If Britney is being wrongly kept in bondage, then it surely makes sense that people who control her world would use her social media presence against her to quell criticisms of them.

I am eager to see how her posts continue. The two new critical statements are a radical departure from all prior statements and they comport with her courtroom testimony. I feel certain that she is now being given permission to speak for herself by her attorney. This could go a couple of ways: either we could learn more about how she feels and thinks in such a way that will demonstrate she is a functional adult, or else the authority that is now allowing her to speak candidly might believe they are giving her enough to rope to hang herself.

There are definitely at least parts of her videos being sped up, it's obvious when you watch them. There's also a jerky quality about them that's reminiscent of missing frames from before the digital era. It's very weird.

Stop comparing Britney to Madonna. Vocally, Madonna blows her away. Britney has never come close to producing any of Madonna’s best vocals. The entire Evita soundtrack, Sooner or Later live at the Oscars, Lament live and on and on. Britney’s voice isn’t “emotive” at all. It sounds just like a computer. It is so digitalized that is the appeal to her fans. Britney is in the Janet, Paula, Stacy-Q category- small voiced singers.

R71 Every single article about this has experts talk about how her case is shining a light on conservatorship / guardianship abuse, disability rights, etc. that affect thousands of non-famous people. It’s bigger than her and bringing attention to it can help others in similar situations. It is precisely because she is a celebrity that anyone is talking about reform.

Hell, Britney hasn’t even come close to producing Madonna’s worst vocals, R115. Britney has an unpleasant natural voice until they change it in studio.

She's plainly nuts.

Stop trying to make her seem more talented by comparing her to other superior singers. Just stop.

It is horrible what they did to her. She’s been a prisoner. It is shocking how this happened. This should never be allowed. She legit was a slave.

R119 Is, not was.

The state refused to disallow her father from continuing to hold her in his custody just last week. She is still her father's prisoner. I've watched videos by several lawyers who say that the other judgment last week to allow her to have chosen her own attorney is extremely significant and in her favor, but all of them emphasize that while ending a custodianship is not unprecedented, it's so rare that it may as well be. California evidently is set up to make it close to impossible to end on. The public pressure is obviously changing that in her case, but most lawyers seem to be saying that there's a slim chance the state will end it not because she needs it but because of the way the system is set up to work against anyone who has ever been put into a custodianship. They don't have individual rights any longer, it seems, like all constitutional laws just don't apply any longer to those individuals.

End the conservatorship but keep child protective services. If her Iranian bodybuilder-model boyfriend ends up with part or all of her money - and I think that's what will happen - fine. Maybe then people will leave her alone. Just another broke has-been.

The Britney fan club once again holds court.

She sounds like she is on her way to a breakdown. None of these outbursts sound stable and even sane.

Right, R121. Whether or not she has anything at all to do with her songs, a hell of a lot of them have lyrics that apply to this situation. It's very strange.

One of the newer ones has will.i.am singing to her "It should be easy, love," and she sings back "la da dee, la dee da, it's the only way, denial, denial, denial, denial, denial, denial" (and on and on). She testified that she has put on a happy public face for all these years because she had no idea at all that she even had the option to challenge the custody situation and so she chose her only option, which was denial.

The song "overprotected" is all about how she wants to live her life on her own terms and everyone around her is making her crazy by calling all the shots in her life.

It's REALLY fucking weird. If she has no role in writing her song lyrics, I think the writers must chat with her to get a sense of who she is and what's on her mind and then write lyrics based on that because, really, a ton of her songs seem to be commenting on living as a slave. (Hello, "I'm a slave for you!")

[quote] Say hello to the girl that I am / You're gonna have to see through my perspective / I need to make mistakes just to learn who I am / And I don't wanna be so damn protected

[quote] I'll tell 'em what I like, what I want, and what I don't / But every time I do, I stand corrected / Things that I've been told / I can't believe what I hear about the world / I realize I'm overprotected

[quote] I don't need nobody telling me just what I wanna / What I, what, what, what I'm gonna (I need) do about my destiny / I say no, no, nobody's telling me just what I wanna do, do / I'm so fed up with people telling me to be someone else but me / (Action!)

R123.

This interview is from 2016, five years ago and smack in the middle of having no personal freedoms.

Watch it.

She is not mentally incapacitated. She's not behaviorally unusual. She thinks and communicates in a perfectly normal way.

This means that 1) she does not have a severe intellectual disability such as dementia or severe brain damage/cognitive failure that merits a conservatorship and 2) while it is possible that she may have an emotional or perceptive disturbance with episodes of mania, psychosis, etc., it can be controlled completely. And that means that she should have her individual rights and liberties.

Being at risk of giving away your money does NOT merit this kind of slavery situation.

If she were unwell enough to belong in this kind of bondage, then she certainly would not be well enough to trot out onto a talk show.

Evidently, during this talk show appearance she *did* go rogue and brought up her conservatorship on her own. Audience members reported that she wanted to discuss it and the host changed the topic immediately and then that part of the discussion was edited out because Britney's management makes all media sign an agreement stating they will not discuss it at risk of being sued. But I would not consider someone living in bondage discussing it when they have a rare chance to be heard to be part of a mental incapacity. Would you?

Set her free, let her blow her money and live her life however she wants. If it’s a disaster, then oh well. Freedom is what she wanted.

R125.

She doesn’t have two brain cells to write her own music. She likely chats with songwriters and they write from their. She approves it and moves on. Like Lady Gaga and Beyoncé.

I'm a big supporter of Britney, but all I can think about after reading this thread is that some complete moron actually just compared her singing talents to those of Judy Garland and Liza who they claim "also" weren't great singers. The ignorance of this person is absolutely astounding.

You are exactly right, R120. And it's not just conservatorships. Tip of the iceberg.

Sorry, R129, er, Lorna. Facts are facts. I may be a moron, but Judy after about age 30 was a complete mess as a performer. Stagy, screechy, twitchy, pathetic and impossible to watch. Ditto her daughter.

Yeah they didn't even twerk.

Who was Britney calling out when she said for people to quit publicly professing support when “they” didn’t do shit for her before? I’d say Mariah for sure. I’d say definitely not Madonna since she often posts vids dancing to Madonna songs and Madonna has known to be privately supportive of her many times in the past.

R133 What were these people supposed to do for her?

Any songwriting credit to her is in name only and a bargaining tactic for the real songwriters so they both profit.

The only thing Britney has written is an Etch-a-Sketch doodle.

R133, All signs point to it being her sister Jamie Lynn. She’s been targeted by the Free Britney movement in recent weeks for showing fake support.

[quote] : "Eat Shit And Step on Legos"

Britney would have been a genius if she wasn't controlled by her father!

R27, the reviews weren't that good for that album. And really, if I was Britney, I wouldn't be bragging about the lyrics to Work Bitch.

R133, Kevin Federline?

Who would have thought Kevin would be the normal, together parent?

R125, she's adorable in that interview. The guy is nice, made her comfortable, he wasn't being a douche and was actually funny. Britney is one strong person to have faced down the challenges in her life.

Strikes me that she and Keanu Reeves are genuinely kind, sensitive people who have been gossiped about ad infinitum but can't be destroyed. Guess haters always hate the nicest people.

I would guess her problems have been arrested development from having been "overprotected" since early childhood and prohibited from making her own life choices, a mental breakdown and probably some psychological trauma from the way she was stalked and harassed by media and *maybe* an emotional disturbance.

This is a ploy by her father to allow the "real Britney" to show herself, so they allowed her to post this since it makes her look crazy and might keep them from releasing her dr the conservatorship Expect more of this.

I don't think it makes her look crazy. It makes her look pissed.

R144 I'm commenting on what reason there might be for this suddenly appearing on her feed. I think it's logical that they think it will make her look bad amongst the people whose opinions matter - the judges/mental health evaluators.

eh, I think when Britney is non-medicated and normal she's probably pretty thrifty. I used to see her at the Target at Weyburn Ave in Westwood buying clothes, for crying out loud. I've had friends who worked with her and they all said she was great.

I think Sam is a total grifter though. I hope once she can safely get off the meds and the brainfog clears (and anyone who has been on meds/drugs knows that once you're off for awhile, you look around you and you're like WTF and make changes), she can kick him to the curb and get some sexy ex-NFL player or Hedge Fund manager or Silicon Valley guy who will be happy to give her babies and build a beautiful life together.

Jesus, the estrogen in here right now....

R147 The 'estrogen in here' is empathy from people who realize that this woman is being kept in inhumane conditions that should be unlawful in this country.

What does she not have A/C?

She’s an untalented whore with a garbage mouth.

Next.

Is that for real? If it is then she!s a mess, father control or not.

The conservatorship has been exposed as a sham in print and tv media. It’s only a matter of time until she’s free.

The usual shit they’ve been posting on her page c for the past 6 years makes her look crazier than this.

R133 she is referring to her family. She says the people closest to her, so not any of the stars speaking out.

R153 Also close to her all these years have been her former lawyer and her whole managment team. Days after she was able to speak for herself and broadcast her thoughts to the world, both her attorney and her manager quit. They fled. They were certainly as close to her in recent years as most of her family has been.

And I don’t think anyone can expect her to act “normal” right now or after the conservatorship is ended. She’s been sheltered for 13 years and it’s going to be an adjustment. Right now she has a lot of pent up feelings that she’s never been able to express publicly. How would anyone act in that situation?

Free Britney are probably the same people who made fun of her back in 2007

Leave Britney alone, y'all!!!!

Well, R4 - mentally, she is.

Her story is a truly fascinating one, by all intents and purposes: she is not particularly pretty, has next to no talent, is an illiterate idiot, reeks of trashy vulgarity and isn't even charismatic or charming and yet, she is one of the biggest pop phenomena in history. Moreover, she hasn't had a hit in almost a decade (and she never even had that many hits, to be honest), but she remains very much relevant and has a fanatical following that literally worships her.

I have to wonder, what lies behind this? Is it that mediocre, stupid and untalented people can easily identify with her and vicariously live their dreams of wealth and fame through her, because she is so unremarkable? If you want to be Whitney or Mariah you're bound to be disappointed, because very few people can sing like them. On the other hand, literally ANYONE could be Britney, Rihanna or Katy Perry... Which is why I find it so surprising that they are so successful - is being able to project your aspirations on someone who is utterly incompetent, so very powerful an experience?

I truly don't know. Personally, I would be extremely embarrassed by identifying so strongly with someone who is a walking embarrassment.

R158 The general public have always been pretty stupid. It’s nothing new.

[quote]Leave Britney alone, y'all!!!!

Oh, honey. I would love to not have to read about this dumb bitch. Unfortunately it keeps getting thrown in our faces with non-stop stories and updates.

Nah, Britney had the "it" factor, and I say this as someone who thought she was wildly overrated from the beginning. She knew how to work a camera and she either instinctively knew or quickly learned early on that being a dumb innocent sex doll would catapult her out of the gate even if it has a very short shelf life. I wonder what would have happened to her without her public breakdown and then the controlled environment of her conservatorship. They collectively put her career instantly into nostalgia mode and gave it more gravitas than it ever deserved. Without that I wonder if she would have just petered out as she aged and then had a resurgence later on, like what's happening now with the 90s boy bands.

I have R158 blocked, so miss all his unpleasant comments. Hater.

It's cute how people here think that she wrote this. It's obviously that grifter she has for a boytoy who wrote this. I think there is a lot of things that the conservatorship has kept quiet but not to save their asses but her's.

Some of these comments are ludicrous, like the one saying once she is off her medication hopefully the brain fog will lift. Jesus, that’s the worst thing that can happen idiot. She’s on medication and has the conservatorship for a reason. It’s not just about blowing through her money, it’s about her unstable behavior too. She doesn’t have custody of her kids because she’s mentally unstable.

Hey she shaved her head to avoid a drug test! Nothing to see here, move along.

I am afraid that this is not going to end well for anyone.

[quote] Those saying Britney isn't talented are so hypocritical and deluded. Shall we admit that Judy and Liza were hardly the best singers in the world? Charisma and iconic status are mysterious things. Britney will never fade because she has that 'representative' quality (wish I could say it better) that makes people identify with her. As for beauty, she has a compelling look that has carried her through four decades of stardom. Hope she is around in her 80s to give those great interviews like Bette Davis.

She was trained to perform from an early age. Charisma and social skills are very much taught. She is an icon because was groomed in industry to become one. she was an investment that paid off. It's not mysterious, the industry has experts who spend years researching the market. She is a product of capitalism and made millions for labels and advertisers. Her "compelling" look is a bottle blonde white sorority girl. I really don't see how most Americans can identify with Britney Spears in any way. She is only popular with some women who want to look like her and gay men who liked her dance music. She was part of the brand of aspirational pop stars that died out by the mid-2000s once American Idol and social media changed the landscape. Kelly Clarkson and Fantasia were popular because they were relatable and you saw their life stories and they were seen as anti-Britney and anti-Beyoncé because they didn't get pushed in the industry since childhood.

You can't teach charisma.

R168 Yes. You can especially if the pupil is very young. That's why there is public speaking courses. People learn their social skills during their formative years. Britney was taught charisma through years of being in child beauty pageants and talent shows plus she was on The Mickey Mouse Club and did some plays.

If you can teach charisma, why isn't everyone a star?

R170 Umm maybe because most people aren't interested in acting or performing? Believe it or not there are people who prefer to be teachers, doctors, lawyers, politicians, construction workers, artists, writers, managers, social workers, et cetera. Also many of these jobs still involve social skills and charisma is useful too.

You really cannot teach charisma. Not everyone who was on MMC, who was groomed to be a star, or who went through beauty pageants has charisma. There are hundreds of examples of starlets and pop singers who were groomed for stardom but failed in large part because they just didn't have that "it" factor.

Also, it would do a lot of people on this thread some good if they would remember that their personal dislike of Spears and their inability to understand why people like her has no bearing on the fact that she IS a popular star, she is liked, and people enjoy her music.

I don't know much about her at all. I kind of know one of her songs and that's it. I've seen several clips from interviews recently and heard what she said about her conservatorship, and I like her based entirely on that. I already got scolded because my opinion was "clouded" because I like her. But the same people who think liking Britney means your judgement is "clouded" think that hating Britney and claiming she's awful and unpopular is somehow "insightful."

It does not work that way. Sorry.

What fresh nonsense. It's like saying you can teach everyone to be likable or relatable. You can't. You can teach them to be ingratiating, sure. But the audience decides who they like, who they want to follow, worship etc. Britney doesn't have a tip top catalogue of songs. She's been able to sell shit to the masses. Why? Because they buy into her. I can't think of many performers who would be able to lipsync, dance not very well, dress terribly, all at Vegas prices and their fans AND the general public eat it up with a spoon. Britney has It.

[quote] You can't teach charisma.

Bullshit

R103, I was briefly roommates with a typical gay Britney fan a while back. Nice enough guy, but I didn't mesh with his rather vapid tastes in music, art, etc.

He played me Unusual You.

I fucking loved it. To this day, it's the only Spears' song I've ever purchased. I still love it.

[quote] It's like saying you can teach everyone to be likable or relatable

Yes you can. Children are usually taught empathy and social skills from parents, teachers and peers. And their childhood has a big role in how they behave as adults. If they have a shitty childhood then they probably wouldn't grow up to be very likable or friendly. But if children are surrounded by kind, warm and confident people they will imitate that. Britney was raised in the show business and learned from others how to smile, be charming and endearing and say the right things on camera. I'm sure there also genetic predispositions as well. But I don't think charisma is just some divine ability that some are gifted with.

Also as for Britney's fandom. Studies have shown people can be brainwashed into loving pop songs if you play them over and over again. Fandoms are no different than religion.

[quote]Studies have shown people can be brainwashed into loving pop songs if you play them over and over again.

Good lord. No, they have not. The only thing even close to what you're describing is the junk science article on Mic from about a decade ago saying "pop music is ruining your brain," and even IT ended with the truth, that if a song is bad, people will figure it out on their own.

Is this how you always spend your weekend nights?

[Quote] . Britney was raised in the show business and learned from others how to smile, be charming and endearing and say the right things on camera.

I already said that you can teach people to be ingratiating. That's different to radiating "good people." Christina Aguilera can smile and make jokes on camera but the public has never bought into her in the way that they've bought into Britney.

R178 Did the public really buy into Britney? Or was it more Britney was pushed heavily onto the public? I don't remember any adults liking her or thinking she was talented. Straight boys definitely weren't into her music but they did watch her videos because she was hot. It was mostly young girls who fantasized about being like Britney that bought into her and some gay boys who liked that feminine aesthetic. These were her main buyers. I definitely remember Christina being well-liked by a far wider audience because she could actually sing and was also hot. The media chose to push Britney because young girls are a big demographic, they were buying Britney's albums, tickets and merchandise in droves with their parents money. Christina wasn't as popular because she was too opinionated with a personality and also much more talented, so more threatening. Britney was quiet and it was easy to project a personality onto her. These fans of Britney grew up and kept supporting her and Britney got a lot more gay fans after her breakdown. But it's not true Britney was universally loved in her prime, she was constantly called a no-talent bimbo and a terrible actress.

I agree you can’t teach charisma but Britney had a huge, gargantuan push behind her. Every record company wanted the new “Madonna” and tried to push various females- Britney, Beyoncé, Christina, Fergie- to be that. Only problem is- you can’t make a new Madonna or new Michael or new Elvis or new Beatles. It doesn’t work that way. Britney had such an enormous push behind her it was guaranteed she’s have a somewhat successful career.

What is your ultimate goal with this line of thought, though? Let's say you're completely correct, that Britney was untalented and terrible and no one liked her, they were only brainwashed into liking her because of a massive corporate push.

So what? Ultimately, what does that mean? That it somehow excuses the conservatorship? That it's unfair that people are talking about the conservatorship now, because she never had any talent in the first place? I'm not understanding what your point is.

Christina was a hot mess. And straight men never buy into women in large numbers.

Nobody is justifying her slavery. It is disgusting and she has been abused. I’m not saying she had no charisma. She did. But her success was actually very brief if you really look at things. She had a huge Corp pushing her so hard. So many of them did in the early 00s. That was when corps had so much power to influence radio and entertainment shows/magazines. To her credit, Britney outshined Christina her superior in many ways. I am not a fan of the “huge voice”singer. Christiana’s voice was horrid to me and over sang every fucking thing. But Britney was bad. Her voice was so manipulated in studio and it still wasn’t good! But she eclipsed Christina. Good for her. Success is never about raw talent nor should it be or Susan Boyle would be a huge pop star. LOL.

We are all team Britney as far as her slavery goes. What they did to her was atrocious.

[Quote] Britney was universally loved in her prime

Nobody said that. Very few people are universally liked. Britney was teen pop but her reach was so wide and deep that she could transition straight away to relying on nostalgia - hence her lipsync Vegas performances were accepted by her fanbase as those curious enough to see her in LV. She never had wilderness years, she's never been a hasbeen. Her personal troubles might have contributed to that as its kept her endlessly A-List as a headline grabber.

[Quote] Britney had such an enormous push behind her it was guaranteed she’s have a somewhat successful career.

Only when "Baby One More Time" became massive straight out of the gate. Her debut album was mostly helmed by second stringers. It wasn't always Max Martin. That music video was instantly iconic.

Britney does not have a deep bench of songs. She was kept interesting due to her troubles. She’d be in Debbie Gibson territory if not for that.

[Quote] That was when corps had so much power to influence radio and entertainment shows/magazines.

But Britney actually suffered from a radio ban (Clear Channel). Coupled with US labels not released physical singles, Britney ended up having huge album sales. For a teen pop act, that's pretty miraculous.

Has Debbie Gibson been able to hock perfume? Britney's various perfumes have been very successful. Why? Because her public buy into her to the tune of $$$$$$.

R185 Your point? It was pedo bait. Yes, it was a huge first single/video. That happens all the time. Music is littered with one hit wonders. She survived to have a few more than a few hits. That’s it. She’s awful. I don’t know how anybody can stand her voice, processed as it is.

[Quote] Her voice was so manipulated in studio and it still wasn’t good!

That describes Madonna, Katy Perry... That doesn't undercut the success these women have had.

[Quote] She survived to have more than a few hits. That’s it.

She's been able to have big hits over a ten year period. That is way more success than most.

R190 No, that doesn’t describe them Britney sounds like a computer. Neither Madonna nor Katy, both vocally superior to Britney in every way, sound like that esp Madonna in her first 25 years. Fact is, you can find hundreds of live videos of both, especially Madonna, singing in a way Britney couldn’t even come close to in a million years much less in studio. Britney’s studio vocals sound like a computer whereas Madonna’s and Katy’s don’t.

Massive guilty pleasure first hit + virgin/whore image + teen power couple (Justin) + legendary train-wreck breakdown + trashy Vegas show catering to gays + millennial nostalgia (coupled with love of a cause) = why she's still a thing.

R191 Yeah when the label was buying radio play.

R193 Equals SAD. I’ve never understood the fealty to Britney. It’s tragic.

Madonna has sounded like a computer for at least fifteen years.

[Quote] Yeah when the label was buying radio play.

Then how do you explain her flops? She's had peaks and troughs.

Are you kidding? Madonna wanders off pitch all the time and she made lipsycing (even if intermittently during the show) a standard at pop concerts.

Whoa…..Britney really IS an uneducated hick from Lousiana. That bitch is fucked. Love her early stuff though.

R196 But not the previous 25 years. You may have a better case with Katy but Madonna can outsing Britney by millions of miles with tons of video evidence. Even with “studio magic” Britney has never sounded as good as Madonna.

R198 Michael Jackson made lipping a standard in pop. Madonna may lip 20% of her shows but there is enough YouTube vids from the same tours in different cities to show Madonna sings live 80% of the time. If she lipped, she wouldn’t have had the vocal disasters she’s had on tour in several cities. There were cities she sounded great and other cities she sounded terrible on the same tour. That is not lipping but do try to make Britney look better by trying to diminish others. It won’t work. Brit is far inferior vocally to just about every other singer.

[Quote] Madonna sings live 80% of the time.

And then replaces the audio for her concert streamings. Madonna and the Jackson Two made lipsyncing acceptable and moreover standard.

Katy can sing circles around this bitch Britney

r200 Madonna cannot outsing ANY artist by "millions of miles".

R202 Sure, Jan. You must be Janbot. It is obvious Madonna doesn’t replace recordings. Fuck you fans are nuts.

I love when people are obviously more talented the other fan base just makes shit up like “they have pre-recorded vocals and use them every other or every 3rd or every 5th show. Idk. This hurts my brain I just know I heard this conspiracy theory and it makes me feel better.”

[Quote] It is obvious Madonna doesn’t replace recordings

It's well known that Madonna replaces the audio for her DVDs/Blu-Rays.

R207 LMFAO but not in the actual fan footage that can be seen by everybody. Most of the time she sounds as good or better than the butchery she does in the DVD recording.

Can Britney every come close to this? If not, move on.

[quote]How did this message get out? If her social media is managed as detailed in the New Yorker, how does this happen?

Her boyfriend took a photo of her writing the post as if to say, "Yes, finally. This is actually her responding." It was kind of hilarious.

I think she really does have her phone back now, can post what she wants since she is going for the jugular with her sister. That was not her "normal" tone before when someone else was clearly screening and writing her posts.

If you believe Lance Bass' husband, the problem wasn't just her not having access to her phone it was her people changing her phone number constantly and changing her friends' phone numbers in her phone so if she tried to call them, she couldn't reach them.

Her old friend/assistant did an interview stating that Britney needs a personal assistant & she needs someone to handle her money since it's a lot but she doesn't need a conservatorship. I think that makes the most sense if everyone is so concerned about her spending her money.

Regardless of how you feel about Madonna, she can at least SOUND different on different songs. Britney Spears has that same "goo goo gaa gaa" Baby Bop voice on EVERY fucking song. That indicates a lack of creativity and/or talent to me.

What is that Oscars performance an example of? Good singing?

I know all that, r183, you said it before. I just didn't know why you were bringing it up and being so insistent on Britney being a manufactured no-talent useless faux celebrity. Still don't. Guess you just wanted to take the opportunity to complain about Britney.

Lemme tell ya about Brit Messing...

I don't see r193's post as showing "fealty" to Britney at all. I think it's a pretty accurate description of the trajectory of her celebrity. All this talk about how she "shouldn't" be popular is useless, because she is popular, there's a whole list of reasons why.

I just hope she’s taking her medication for her illness or else it’s going to get messier than it already is.

Britney Drives! And Sings!

R209 Do you honestly find this vocal performance exemplary of something?

I think she’s off her meds. Everybody cheering her on like suddenly she’s empowered and has her shit together. I hope they’re right, but her overall attitude reminds me of how she was before she was diagnosed.

She is off her meds and I hope she can be persuaded to start taking them or she is heading for a big fall. That dancing and twirling is awful.

There's a reason "off your meds" is a typical trope thrown by juvenile bitches at anyone they disagree with or are jealous of or can't think of a comeback to. (Yes I know it's a dangling preposition--suck it) And that reason is that accusing people of mental illness is the new "burn the witch!" Fuck off with your pseudo knowledge of Britney, her health, her personality, and the industry of mental health in general. Ignorant slags pretend they know all about emotional states and what they require. Intelligent people examine every era's delusions and try to understand how human nature functions 'normally' and abnormally. That alone is hard to define. Read widely and reflect on what you read before making like Dr. Oliver Sacks (who by the way you should read)

LEAVE BRITNEY ALOOOOOONE!!!!

Things I've learned from this thread:

1) Britney is an amazing singer and better than everyone else in history

2) That she is bullied by everyone and can do no wrong

3) That everyone loves her and only evil people could dislike her

4) That we must confiscate our gay card if we don't like her

5) That she is being held hostage and has no history of mental illness or drug abuse

6) That the state of California is demonic and holding Spears as a slave

7) That Jamie Lynn is the spawn of Satan

8) Lance Bass and his husband are an accurate source of info

What else did I miss?

[quote]I hope she gets the baby girl she has always wanted.

Because that’s really what Britney needs.

Her stans must be completely brain dead

R223 - I’m dubbing you “the list troll.” You commented with your signature lists on a different thread and I quite enjoyed it. It’s a wonderful summation.

Wasn't the conservatorship started because she was put on a 5150 hold after putting one of her children in danger? She probably would have lost custody completely had her family not stepped in. Maybe Britney didn't petition to end the conservatorship until now because her boys are older and she doesn't care about having custody anymore. Instead she wants a new baby with her boyfriend.

R218 Yes, something Britney can’t come close to doing now, in the past, or in the future.

Why is everyone harping on her singing talent when her most unique and powerful talent has always been her dancing? At her physical peak she was the best female dancer in pop music and exuded a natural confidence, athleticism and sexuality while also maintaining an authentic vulnerable, innocent quality.

After she injured her knee, her dancing was never the same, it was merely competent but felt forced and incomplete, with justifiable criticism of her new reliance on "armography." An knee injury like that has ended athletic careers, but Britney and her team would/could never admit that it affected her performances greatly.

Those of you criticizing the twirling and dancing she does on her Instagram are completely missing the point. This is not a "performance" meant to be judged. It is her being silly and having fun for HERSELF, and intentionally the exact opposite of the choreographed routines she has been forced to do against her will. She is cathartically sharing an authentic bit of her personal joy in movement for her fans, period, not attempting to win anyone over or impress anyone. In itself that IS impressive, which is why it is actually more interesting then much of her technically correct "dancing". This is what she is clumsily trying to express in this post, that she does it merely for herself and those who get and enjoy it, and as far as those who don't, she honestly doesn't give a fuck. Good for her.

R229 She was not the best female dancer in pop music. Jesus Christ. She did the same robotic moves as a hundred others. J-Lo, Paula, Madonna, even Janet were better dancers than Britney. That first paragraph is cringe.

R230 - “That first paragraph is cringe.”

I thought that professional prose could have been published in a magazine. Were you always such a cunt, or is it recent due to your bitterness about being an old queen?

R231 If I’m an old queen than Brit Brit is an ancient cunt since she’s older than me.

Britney’s “fans” imprinted on her and developed this unhealthy attachment. The hyperbole of her skills in this thread is something to behold.

R227, actually if you believe Britney's former assistant/cousin, the real story was that Britney was hiding in the bathroom with her child because the visitation time was over and she wanted to spend more time with him. Apparently Britney was crying and holding on to her child, which sounds pretty sad, but the child was not in any danger.

And Lynn Spears wrote in her book that she thought Britney suffered from postpartum depression, which makes a lot of sense in retrospect. She apparently did take drugs and Kevin Federline saw that as a reason to file for full custody of the kids, aka his reliable paycheck for the next 18 years.

I feel bad for Britney, because she was obviously surrounded by assholes. And for anyone who questions her judgement and choice of men, just look at her daddy who has been paying himself very handsomely, and NO, it's not just $2000 per week as he would like the world to believe. How was Britney supposed to know the difference between a decent man and an asshole, when her father was and still is the biggest asshole of all? The entire family is dysfunctional, dad takes over the conservatorship after being out of Britney's life for years, and the brother, sister, and mother did nothing to help?

Let her live her life. And if she wants to spend all of her money, let her. That's what her father has been doing all these years even though he did not earn a penny of her money. I hope that the Britney case opens up a constructive conversation about conservatorship abuse.

R223, I learned that you're a petulant child who is unable to have conversations with adults. You should drink your milk and go to sleep.

They’re all surrounded by assholes. The music industry is one of the most brutal. You have so many parts (songwriting, producing, credits, radio, merchandise, touring, vendors, the label, managers )that most entertainers give control to various people because the industry is notoriously difficult to navigate and soul crushing to deal make. It is far more brutal than TV or movies. If you have a bad label, as Madonna and Prince did, it makes it worse.

Britney didn’t have the IQ to even deal with her own people. You’ll get ripped into a million pieces by those close to you and those on the periphery. She didn’t stand a chance. Some say it is because she was too “nice” but the reality is she was too naive and dumb.

r233 "actually if you believe Britney's former assistant/cousin, the real story was that Britney was hiding in the bathroom with her child because the visitation time was over and she wanted to spend more time with him. Apparently Britney was crying and holding on to her child, which sounds pretty sad, but the child was not in any danger."

Why would she be put on a 5150 for that? I'm not sure I believe her "cousin" in this instance.

Why is there such garbage running the music business? I feel like the business “managers” and “producers” are no better than crack-whore pimps in Atlanta. How could you ever let these people interact with your child?

Sorry but she sounds batshit crazy. I feel very sorry for her and hope she gets some of the restrictions lifted but she's not all there.

Madonna tried to give Britney advice about the industry but they had different labels. Alanis said Madonna gave her advice and it saved her life but they were on the same label. Not everybody is able to take control of their career like Madonna did.

Britney had *it* that's why she was more popular than Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, Pink, and Christina. Not because she had a better voice.

R240 Well, they also were pretty sucky except Pink. Britney had charisma, yes, she had some *it* factor but she also had a huge label push that was truly awe inspiring. Popularity has never been about vocals nor should it be. There are so many average singers who have interesting voices and great music. Britney didn’t have either.

For the people in the back… she liked getting contact high, but she rather would have gone to the fucking spa!

R241, that's exactly why I really feel it was the combo of Britney and Max Martin that really killed pop music. Just compare what pop music was before Britney came on the scene to what it was like after. She had charisma and dancing talent for like 5 years, tops.

[Quote] If you have a bad label, as Madonna and Prince did, it makes it worse.

How did Madonna have a bad label?

R244 Warner Bros was notoriously bad. They drove Prince insane. They didn’t promote. Sure they spent on videos but they were shit getting merchandise to record stores/promoting at radio/promoting their artists. Arista or Sony, for example, would have planted or paid off tons of music /entertainment media to sell their artists/set a narrative about them. Warner never defended Madonna when she was constantly attacked by Right Wing media and planted hit pieces by, likely, Arista or Sony. Madonna was lucky she had Seymour Stein and Sire. He ran some interference with Warner for her but Madonna was Madonna and took matters into her own hands.

This was the TRL era. A huge part of her appeal was her slickly-produced music videos with elaborate costumes and choreography that other young pop stars did not have.

This VMA tribute showcases at least 8 videos with original (and iconic, for a certain age) outfits and choreography.

No, Britney was never a good dancer. A knee injury wouldn't affect her carriage, the way she hold her arms or sense of poise, if she had any. Look at retired ballet dancers who often deal with career-ending injuries and are still graceful. Britney couldn't get hired at the local pole dancing club. Her videos are embarrassing.

The entire basis upon which you judge her dancing is ridiculous, comparing her to "retired ballet dancers". Shes a pop star, its completely apples and oranges. Ballet dancers couldn't dance like Britney if they tried, and vice versa. A better basis of comparison would be to her actual contemporaries at the time who were doing a similar type of electronic pop music. Christina Aguilera, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, Kylie Minogue and Cheryl Cole in the UK. None of them could come even close to her moves, sexuality and stage presence, her body and face are superior as well. And yes, as you can see in this chronological compilation, as time went on the knee injury took its toll compared to her prime earlier period, although she still can move.

"Her face is superior." Lordt.

The faux-woke have spoken! We can no longer judge a visual performer by his/her facial appearance. Immediately photoshop all Britney Spears images on DL with the head of Rachel Dratch!

She was a good dancer until her knee injury. Her moves though were more cheerleader style rather than hip-hop or theatre style. She paled in comparison to Paula Abdul, Janet Jackson, Jennifer Lopez an Mya. I agree Britney was charming and had a halo affect to her that attracted people. But she was heavily pushed by the industry and her success came down to having all the right ingredients and being at the right place at the right time. She was investment that paid off and became a big pop icon as a result. Teen pop was making a comeback with Hanson and Backstreet Boys, the industry needed a new white pop queen. Madonna was too old and she changed her sound. Britney was there to fill that niche and she had no real competition either. It's similar to Beyonce's success in the mid-to-late 2000s, heavy media, little competition and having the right balance of charm and performance talent.

Britney had plenty of competition (Christina, Jessica, Mandy, Willa). They just didn't connect as she did.

Christina was very popular and she even broke into the urban audience and she enjoyed success until around 2008-ish. Jessica, Mandy and Willa didn't connect because they were boring and their music was bland and derivative.

Also, Britney did eventually get actual competition with Kelly Clarkson, Beyoncé, Gwen Stefani and Pink who all became way more popular than her in 2003.

Kelly Clarkson was never a music video queen. You might as well compare Britney to Adele.

OK, so what? MTV was already becoming irrelevant by that time. Kelly is still pop music and was more popular than Britney during the mid-2000s.

Kelly had no impact on Britney. It's like mentioning the success of Madonna's "Music" album or "Confessions." None of these left Britney in the dust. Other factors were at play.

Ridiculous to compare Kelly Clarkson to Britney just because they are both pop. Might as well add Psy to the list.

Beyoncé, Avril Lavigne, Pink, Gwen Stefani, Ashlee Simpson and Alicia Keys were also more popular than Britney in 2003-2004. There was a shift towards more urban, rock and alternative sounds in the mid-2000s. "Toxic" was the last big hit for Britney and it was her best song. But she was being faded out of the industry at this time. I think her breakdown really revive her career because she became relevant again in 2007 due to her crazy behavior.

I actually think working with the Neptunes cut off a chunk of Britney's pop audience. And it didn't make her an urban queen, unsurprisingly. "Boys" doesn't even have a chorus.

I've always thought Kelis' "Milkshake" would have suited Britney, though. I'd never seen the video recently. Kelis is rather unengaging in the video.

R258 The point is, Britney was being phased out and artists like Kelly Clarkson were becoming popular. People got really tired of the manufactured bubblegum acts by 2001. They wanted "authenticity" again and American Idol was popular because of it's schtick was that average-looking talented people could become stars. Hip-hop and rock were also popular and many pop artists started incorporating that into their sounds. Also, pop music is a genre, simple chord structure, simple lyrics and catchy beat. So it's not that ludicrous to compare pop stars just because one uses choreography and the other just stands there and sings.

R260 Kelis is awesome and underrated. She has a wide array of sounds ranging from neo-soul, hip-hop, house and pop. She isn't energetic though just a laidback pothead who likes to cook.

Rap and rock were already popular by the time Britney arrived on the scene. While she certainly couldn't stay with teen pop forever, she didn't need to abandon solid pop hooks. And it's not like Max Martin struggled. Britney could have had a pop rock moment. If Ashley Simpson could...

Ashlee had a raspy and aggressive voice like Avril Lavigne, Pink and Kelly Clarkson. I can't see Britney pulling off pop rock with her squeaky trademark voice. Plus she tried doing that with her awful covers of I Can't Get No Satisfaction and I Love Rock N Roll. Maybe if Britney used her natural voice it would be possible. Anyway from 2004 to 2008, Britney wasn't a big artist. Beyoncé and Ciara were doing uptempo R&B music. Christina had her moment with Stripped and Back to the Basics. While Gwen Stefani, Nelly Furtado and Fergie were also very popular for their urban-electronic pop sound. Britney actually took inspiration from them to make Blackout.

She could have abandoned the baby voice. And Ashley has no kind of voice. Anyone can affect a little rasp or aggression.

Stripped wasn't an unqualified success for Christina. "Dirrty" did well internationally but not really at home.

Gwen and Fergie were flashes in the pan as solo artists.

R265 You think Britney could easily drop the affected voice that she became heavily associated with which served as her trademark without alienating fans?

R267 Yep but they were pretty influential. Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Kesha, Rihanna and others continued off the sound they ha.

Was Britney's greatest misake fucking Wade Robson? It closed off Timbaland to her as a producer. She could have taken "Maneater" to greater commercial heights than Nelly Furtado.

OK Britney doesn't really fit Timbaland's sound. Just like Madonna didn't fit his sound. I'm very happy Nelly Furtado got those songs and I can't anyone but her singing them. Aaliyah, Ginuwine and Timberlake are still Timbaland's best vessels. I think Britney worked better than Danja, Will.I.Am and Bloodshy & Avant.

And why does Nelly Furtado fit his sound?

Nelly Furtado's voice just clicks with his sound just like Aaliyah and Timberlake do. She harmonizes well with it as it's a smooth R&B sound. Madonna and Britney can't harmonize, so that's why they clashed with it.

[quote]The hyperbole of her skills in this thread is something to behold.

The hyperbole of those determined to prove Britney is a worthless human being is also pretty bad, yet for some reason, the "she's batshit crazy stupid bitch who tried to murder her kids and couldn't even pole dance" people think they're the ones with true insight. There has been some really good info on the pop business in general and about what has been reported in the past about Britney's troubles, with people very rightly pointing out that you may think Britney sucks, but she was popular in a way that went far beyond the usual expiration date for pop tarts. Half the time, all those good posts get in return are replies like "Lordt" or "you're a brain damaged stan."

[quote] Christina had her moment with Stripped and Back to the Basics

I’m not really a Christina fan for a variety of reasons but she was really ahead of her time with Stripped. It’s practically g-rated compared to the stuff out now, but so scandalous when first released. A lot of good songs on that album.

R57 not really.

Britney really didn’t last beyond the average pop star which has grown in length since labels are squeezing every drop they can out of their artists and push them down our throats making deals with entertainment shows & magazines & social media to continue to push them. Britney is still talked about due to her breakdown. It was *almost* like dying young. She became an attraction due to this.

Her voice and music stink. Her dancing was good but not great. She did the same moves are a million others. She also was helped due to her competition. While Madonna was riding high,she was in her 40s and was already a legend. Her age group contemporaries were bland asf.

I think she’s a sweet person. I wish she had realized her star had fallen back in 2008 and instead of thirsting for the spotlight (pushed by money hungry managers) opened a nationwide string of “Britney Spears Dance Studios,” giving dance lessons to tween girls everywhere. She would have a decent income and could focus on living a somewhat normal life, making occasional appearances at said studios.

She benefited greatly from being thought of as the “new Madonna.” Every star has tried it and it has nothing to do with talent. Madonna has talent over Brit in spades. It has to do with having the *it* factor and blowing away your competitors in sales. Every female star wants to be the “new Madonna” even in other countries. Being the “Madonna” of your country means being the dominant female in music. You’re #1. She captured this briefly but Madonna stubbornly was sticking around having huge success well into the late 00s. Then Brit imploded. Plus, she never came close to having music as good as Madonna. Madonna had a billion hits within 5 years.

[quote] No, Britney was never a good dancer.

My friend is a professional dancer and he feels the exact same way. Britney is what Janet's dance moves would look like if Janet never moved her legs. Even Janet at 250 pounds can move her legs more than Spears can.

It's pretty remarkable that Madonna was competing with these young women into her 40s. Sure, she's totally pathetic now but in retrospect, it's amazing that her biggest competitors all suffered declining careers in ther 30s while MAdonna came back in her 40s.

Britney is a wonderful dancer... if standing there and wandering around like a bewildered idiot while attempting to lipsync into a headset is what you consider wonderful dancing,

If there's one thing Madonna had in spades it was superhuman will and drive, more than most pop stars. Most are like Paula Abdul, they burn out after an album or two.

At first I thought Pink was black. When they first started featuring her on TRL she had a blaccent. Turns out she actually has a good voice, better than Britney's

Pink is boring, though.

[quote]At first I thought Pink was black. When they first started featuring her on TRL she had a blaccent. Turns out she actually has a good voice, better than Britney's

Pink went through that whole blaccent/hip-hop phase when she was starting out. I think she was being pushed to do that by her label. A couple albums later she said she fought for more control over doing the style of music she wanted to do. What you hear from her today is probably a lot more of her authentic self than her early years.

That's the narrative they went with but if it's true why does LA Reid appear in that music video? It's not flattering to him... Pink wouldn't have been able to pivot on her own. Other people (and not just Linda Perry) had to be onboard.

[Quote] So what do you guys do to keep your dreams alive ???? Just curious cause at this point I'm not sure it's a good idea to listen to advice from some people. Yesterday I realized all my tennis shoes were gone ... I like them because I dance three hours most days and my feet hurt so I put tennis shoes on so my feet feel nice ... well all of mine are old so I ordered four new pairs and they came in five weeks ago but they were all too big so I've been without them for a long time !!!! So when I woke up yesterday and remembered I had none I pulled a Carrie Bradshaw and ordered a bunch of new shoes online !!!! My assistants HUMBLING APPROACH why don’t you just see what you can find in your closet DID NOT WORK ANYMORE ... I chose to BLOW and guess what ... my feet are soaring these days ... I'm not gonna stop buying tennis shoes and heels ever 👟👠 !!!! I'm not gonna settle and considering the other day I said I feel like I'm just getting here ... THAT'S AN UNDERSTATEMENT !!!! It's been a while since I drove alone and well let's just say it's a DIFFERENT BALLGAME cause I’m not sure this stadium 🏟 is gonna be anywhere near America !!!! Here is me dancing to PUMPED UP KICKS after cleaning my REAL living room with no Tic Toc but a real grandfather clock that has a hidden door you can hide in ... I know I'm a kid at heart !!!! After cleaning my cherry floors I did my own version of play and cleaned with my new PUMPED UP KICKS ... literally ... and look I'm flying !!!! Maybe I'll just be nice and plant here and keep my dreams alive by thinking about visiting St. Tropez with @cher and eating ice cream ... She was one of my favorite singers as a kid and I loved to dress up as her ... and thinking about having a six pack like @jlo ... Lord she's so inspiring in her new video !!!! Again this is me with hope ... love ... and intention ... by the way I do intend on going to the ball after I clean my house 😂😉😉 !!!!!

Meanwhile her family is getting worried she is spending too much money....

She has the mind of a child

She’s in her manic phase. She was buying houses like clothing back before she was medicated. Compulsive spending is typical for BPD when manic.

She ordered some tennis shoes, that's not even remotely equivalent to buying a ton of houses.

The articles I found that were talking about her houses all make it sound like they were kept for a while and therefore were investments.

Really r291 ? How many houses did she buy besides the ones for her family?

BPD troll.

Britney's idea of splurging is buying five pairs of $40 Sketchers shoes.

Her father's idea of "safeguarding" her money is buying Jamie-Lynn a million dollar penthouse in Florida using Britney's money. Allegedly.

Hasn't Britney owned a Florida condo since the early/mid '00s?

R293 - I read when she was still in control of her money, she was basically flipping houses in LA and making a healthy profit. The same thing that Ellen, Jeremy Renner, etc. do.

Britney doesn’t even know what planet she’s living on most days. She’s not “flipping houses and making a profit”.

[Quote] Christina Aguilera to me was always a lot prettier

Does Beittany actually read music? Does she what a sharp or flat means? She barely speaks English, so just wondering.

Your use of English ain't so hot either, hon.

R291 and R293 need to sort out their usage of BPD because one of y'all is using it for bipolar disorder and the other one is using it for borderline personality disorder and needless to say these are two very different things.

My but the trailer park genes go deep in that train wreck of a skank.

Britney had that baby faced, blonde, droopy eyed look that Americans like. Kind of like Stevie Nicks. Innocent and non threatening looking. Virginal but yearning. The other pop divas didn't have that.

As if Jessica Simpson or Mandy Moore looked that different...

Jessica Simpson's appeal was her giant rack.

[quote] eat shit and step on legos

That's her diet.