When did the hiring process become so complex?

When HR departments figured out they could all be replaced with an algorithm and a not so bright monkey.

This is why I prefer getting hired through the back door via my network. Who has time for all that shit?

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SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU LAZY WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT

What happened to blowing the manager? It gets you in faster.

R4 = HR Cunt off her meds

As a hiring manager I want the hiring process to be harder. It’s become so hard to fire people. A lot of employees think they are great when in reality many are average and a lot are Sub par

R7 You get what you pay for.

When people who can barely read and write started graduating from college with undergrad degrees.

A lot of hiring managers don’t know what they want. They also think something better will come along even if the salary tops out at $55K/year (yeah someone with 7+ years experience will totally work for that)

R1 got it right. Making themselves more important in the process. Typical bullshit.

That's why I appreciate not to have to work . It's really horrible.

[quote]A lot of employees think they are great when in reality many are average and a lot are Sub par

We know.

[quote]As a hiring manager I want the hiring process to be harder. It’s become so hard to fire people. A lot of employees think they are great when in reality many are average and a lot are Sub par

Considering that R7 is in HR yet doesn't know proper capitalization, spelling, nor punctuation, I'd say her organization is already fucked before any prospective employee's hiring process has even begun.

R14, there's a 99% chance that R7 is a man because this is DL. I really wish gay guys would stop changing the pronoun to 'her' when they want to insult the person. It happens all the time.

R14 I didn’t say I was In HR. I’m the VP of the company with a lot of direct reports. I interview and hire every direct report and interview those who report in to my direct reports. They make the final call in who they hire. We pay well and have a pension.

Some people interview well and then phone their performance in.

At work I have auto correct. I’m not that pressed to have correct grammar for DL.

Lol R6.

R4 is definitely off her meds..

From "hiring manager" to "VP" of the company. 🙄

Please let us know which Mickey D's franchise you imagine yourself to manage so that we may avoid it at all costs.

Now get to "work," bitch!

why is nobody furious and jealous that I'm not working ?

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I know R12. Glad to be out of that bullshit.

It all changed when Personnel became Human Resources. Before that, there was a more personal personnel department and workers were not just another resource, like pens.

I hated working for an American company. You have to explain in the smallest detail what you want an American college to do. 1. Sit down. 2. Turn on the computer. 3. Open you email..... Whereas if it's a Brit or a European you just say "Bob, can you do this for me" 5 minutes later it's done.

If they do personality tests, I'm out. Those only work with customer service and sales oriented positions.

I had a recruiter who wanted writing samples, report samples, written test, 3 interviews with RECRUITERS before sending to the company for 6 rounds of interviews, then an on-site presentation and then a group interview with the people who would be reporting to me.

The 'work-from-home' part was 2 weeks a month IF they didn't need me in the office - in Houston.

And no details about the salary until it was finished. NOPE. I'm not putting in 20-30 hours work for that shit.

……….

r24 even for customer service and sales oriented positions, those personality tests are fucking stupid.

And to add insult to injury, the recruiters who cold call you act all unimpressed by your resume and experience when you talk to them even though they’ve pre screened you. They will go dark for weeks at a time once you submit an application. It’s such a terrible system.

[quote] what you want an American college to do

"Colleague", R23?

HR is like cancer in big companies. To remain relevant, they invent all sorts of crap, bloating the hiring process. Now they're also the internal cancel culture advocate. They police what you can or cannot say or do (fortunately, they can't yet control what I think).

All these complicated HR processes have a rude awakening because we have a 20% no show rate on all new hires now at my company. They need to speed the F up and hire people while they still remember they applied for the position, or gave up and took another job in the meantime. I’ve seen candidates sitting in the system for over 4 months currently, awaiting the completion of pre-hire; and they’re surprised when they don’t show up?

How about doing some real background checks aka making calls yourself and asking the tough interview questions?

I applied for a position at University Health Network in Toronto. As part of the application process, they wanted access to my medical records and permission to cold contact people from prior employers.

R31 I hope you said HELL NO.

R31 Hopefully the great resignation brings an end to that shit

[quote] That's why I prefer getting hired through the back door

Gays are very good at that, bottoms in particular ;)

I’m glad I stay at home and JO all day now. Who needs that shit!

Please answer the following in 300 words as part of the pre-pre-screening process: Describe your greatest weakness and/or professional failure.

R30 Same thing is happening at my job even in the interviewing rounds. We’ve had so many candidates drop out.

OP, quit complaining. Letting a teen murderer like you out of the nuthouse to mainstream is a tetchy thing for some people.

[quote] [R4] = HR Cunt off her meds

I have it blocked. Quelle surprise!

Previous work samples are acceptable. I draw the line at creating things like a marketing strategy presentation for them.

Listen up! Human Resources is a PROFESSION just like law, medicine and divinity!

Most of the time they already have a candidate in mind. This shit is purely for show

I went through a long hiring process for a job I was 100% qualified for only to have HR tell me I was not qualified for.

Months later, I learned from a friend who works there that the whole interview process had been for show. The department head always intended to hire a friend with whom he had worked at a previous job. They just needed to go through all the interviewing process to make it look legit.

R42 and R43 are correct. This is what happens almost ALL of the time.

R43 It’s too bad we can’t do anything to end this. It’s such a waste of time

When firing people became way harder

When you make it hard to fire, you make it hard to get hired.

[quote]When you make it hard to fire, you make it hard to get hired.

And yet they still manage to hire shitty people who don’t know WTF they’re doing.

R48 I’m always surprised by some of the idiots I see working too.

[quote]Why did BS like take home assignments, essay application questions and personality tests start?

I don’t do any of that shit. I send you a resume and fill out the application and you either give me an interview or you don’t. And if you give me an interview, have all your questions ready because I’m only doing one interview. I don’t do that second and third interview shit like some of these places like to do for their own twisted amusement, nor do I do these little assessments or whatever homework assignments they come up with. I’m almost 40 and I’m too experienced for you to expect me to jump through hoops like a circus monkey because you have a power trip. Either my experience and accomplishments speak for themself or they don’t.

R26 - I actually believe you need to have a certain personality to deal with customer care or sales. If you're introverted, sales really isn't for you. However, the rest of the personality assessment crap is just that - crap.

Companies have spent decades trying to 'decode' what makes a person successful in their job and if there's a personality component to it. The Meyers-Brigg bullshit comes to mind. It does not work. It also doesn't allow for growth - as if a personality and preference for specific work is cut in stone forever and that you can't grow into responsibilities or have a different approach to tackle problems.

R27 - YES - the recruiters who hound you and then act like your resume isn't up to snuff and are rude and cut you off on the phone. BITCH - you're getting a cut out of this if you place me, right? Stop acting like an asshole then.

[quote] Companies have spent decades trying to 'decode' what makes a person successful in their job and if there's a personality component to it. The Meyers-Brigg bullshit comes to mind.

Because none of these assessments take into consideration other people. None of these measure if you’re excellent at your job but working for a manager who doesn’t know how to manage. Or if you’re excellent at your job which makes other team members jealous and they attempt to sabotage your work.

R52 I think that’s a big reason for the great resignation. People are tired of toxic office politics

Right now, employees who are at relatively Junior stages in their career have all of the leverage. They should take every single advantage they can right now. It will not last forever.

R53 Yep. God forbid people just want to do their job and go home. All this over the top psychoanalysis shit they try to do with employees is ridiculous.

SloppyH needs to be heavily medicated. What a socially inept moron!

These days, HR is made up of lawyers and psychology majors. The problem is that decision makers listen to these people and some of them are the biggest dopes.

And don’t get me started on performance management sessions. Complete waste of time and emotional energy. There’s one frequently used model that puts one person at the top, one person at the bottom and everyone else shakes out in the middle which is a ridiculous method if you’re trying to promote team work.

It’s absolutely ridiculous. It’s to justify having huge HR teams.

HR has become a monster.

The only thing HR is remotely competent at is sending Outlook calendar invites.

And planning parties, ordering birthday cakes and other meaningless bullshit to avoid doing any real work.

A lot of youvguys are so bitter because you have bad jobs, no job, no money, feel inferior, etc.

Trash OP was Red-Tagged today!!!!!!!

[quote] When you make it hard to fire, you make it hard to get hired.

Most American workers have no union protection, added to which “At Will” employment makes it very, very easy to fire people. Management can turf you out for no reason at all and without one cent of severance pay.

[quote] Management can turf you out for no reason at all and without one cent of severance pay.

You had better not fire anybody who is a racial, ethnic, sexual, or religious minority without documenting every single thing that lead to their dismissal. Otherwise, you are looking at a very expensive lawsuit.

Often times when people sue, it is cheaper to settle with them anyway, rather than go through the expense of defending yourself.

R65 is a right winger

I had a recent pre screen phone call with an HR cunt a few weeks back. She told me they’d get back to me if I made it to round 1 before labour day then the actual interview would be scheduled for mid September. They anticipated hiring would occur early October.

R63 works in HR

R66 was born without a cerebrum.

After sitting on a few hiring committees, it amazes me how incompetent most hiring managers are.