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BREAKING - L.A. County ORDERS Face Masks Mandate For Everyone

That means all you L.A. DLers - you have to wear a face mask again

Are you fine with that, or will you balk at wearing a face mask again

by Anonymousreply 483July 30, 2021 6:21 AM

People aren’t going to do it. It’s not enforceable.

by Anonymousreply 1July 15, 2021 9:57 PM

The Foo Fight canceled their concert at the Forum this Saturday because of covid in their crew. I'm sure they also saw the scary numbers of covid in LA right now.

by Anonymousreply 2July 15, 2021 10:01 PM

How can Los Angeles go on with giving the okay for large gathers right now? WTF?

by Anonymousreply 3July 15, 2021 10:02 PM

The battle against Covid continues. Seems endless. Too few vaccinated people.

by Anonymousreply 4July 15, 2021 10:03 PM

We.reopened. Too Soon.

Herd immunity was always projected at 70-80% total vax rate. Not 51% total 60+ partial.

The younger apathetic idiots that don’t think they need to do anything are ruining this for everyone.

by Anonymousreply 5July 15, 2021 10:07 PM

Kaskade is playing SoFi stadium on Saturday the 17th. What a covid train wreck that will be.

by Anonymousreply 6July 15, 2021 10:09 PM

Nonsense, R4. 68% of adults have at least one dose, with 59% fully vaccinated. And while the vaccination rate has slowed, we still have over 500,000 Americans getting vaccinated daily. We’re doing fine, and this move by LA County is unnecessary and dangerous. The Biden administration most likely will not approve of this.

by Anonymousreply 7July 15, 2021 10:09 PM

I've never stopped so it makes no different to me.

by Anonymousreply 8July 15, 2021 10:09 PM

[quote] We’re doing fine,

Los Angeles Covid Cases Up 500% Over Past Month

That is NOT doing fine

by Anonymousreply 9July 15, 2021 10:10 PM

Yeah, I have a feeling that we’re going to back into mask “mandates” (such as they are) before too long.

There was at least one house of DC vaccinated gays in Ptown over the Fourth where a number of them tested positive for COVID last week after the holiday weekend was over. That was a bit sobering.

by Anonymousreply 10July 15, 2021 10:11 PM

Cases are up, R9, so what? Are hospitalizations up for vaccinated people? Are deaths increasing for vaccinated people? NO! If the unvaccinated want to walk around dying, then let them. Maybe it will incentivize more of these assholes to get their vaccines.

Save the mask mandates for the fall/winter when we might actually need them again!

by Anonymousreply 11July 15, 2021 10:16 PM

Los Angeles County is reporting the fifth straight day of more than 1,000 new coronavirus cases.

Health officials warned Tuesday that the more contagious delta variant of the virus continues to spread rapidly among unvaccinated people in the state.

Los Angeles County is home to a quarter of California’s 40 million people. County officials reported new cases totaling 1,103 for the previous 24 hours. County officials said the five-day average of cases is 1,095 — a jump of more than 500% in just one month.

The state, meanwhile, reported 3,256 newly confirmed coronavirus infections — the highest one-day total since early March.

by Anonymousreply 12July 15, 2021 10:17 PM

They're basically THROWING vaccines at people. Anyone who isn't vaccinated at this point either medically can't be or is a fucking idiot.

by Anonymousreply 13July 15, 2021 10:20 PM

I went to a casino a two weeks ago. I'm fully vaxed so I did not wear a mask. There were thousands of people there, some masked, some not. If I was going to catch Covid, that was where it would have happened and well, I'm not sick. The indoor making mandate is unnecessary if you're vaxxed. Jesus Christ, this county is fucked up. The only people getting Covid right now are the fucktards who refused to get vaccinated. Let them all die and the rest of us will go on with our lives.

by Anonymousreply 14July 15, 2021 10:21 PM

R7 It is a lot, but not enough, at least 70% needs to vaccinated, the more the better

by Anonymousreply 15July 15, 2021 10:22 PM

In related news, UC is going to require that students and staff be vaccinated. This should be interesting. Expect a HUGE fight.

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by Anonymousreply 16July 15, 2021 10:24 PM

Performative anti-science theater.

by Anonymousreply 17July 15, 2021 10:24 PM

To be clear, this is an indoors only mask mandate.

by Anonymousreply 18July 15, 2021 10:24 PM

To be clear, there is no need for any mask mandates at the moment, whether indoor or outdoor. The Biden administration, the CDC, the HHS, the NIAID, they all say mask mandates are unnecessary right now.

by Anonymousreply 19July 15, 2021 10:27 PM

I have a good friend in Cedars Sinai right now with a bacterial lung infection. Obviously the family was very concerned about him being quarantined from any Covid patients.

The hospital's answer, as of two days ago? 'We have no Covid patients, but we do have floors set aside in case we get any more.' His mother spoke further to the nurse who said that she had not seen any Covid patients since the last one left in June.

Make of that what you will.

by Anonymousreply 20July 15, 2021 10:30 PM

I'm fully vaccinated and have never stopped wearing my mask outdoors. It doesn't bother me to wear one so it's nothing to me to continue.

by Anonymousreply 21July 15, 2021 10:33 PM

I keep one in my pocket and wear it in crowded situations.

by Anonymousreply 22July 15, 2021 10:34 PM

That's correct r19. But shouldn't preemptive anti-Covid measures be set at local/regional level by local public health advisory org, since we'll never have a vaccine passport in the US (like France "sanitary pass" that's going into effect 8/1)?

by Anonymousreply 23July 15, 2021 10:35 PM

Let’s be careful about trying to copy France

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by Anonymousreply 24July 15, 2021 10:36 PM

[QUOTE] I'm fully vaccinated and have never stopped wearing my mask outdoors. It doesn't bother me to wear one so it's nothing to me to continue.

[QUOTE] I keep one in my pocket and wear it in crowded situations.

If people want to voluntarily wear a mask indoor or outdoor, then that’s perfectly fine. Wear one in the shower for all I care. But no government authority should be trying to force people to wear masks in America right now, under any circumstances.

by Anonymousreply 25July 15, 2021 10:37 PM

WOW! This thread is already infested with FFCs!

by Anonymousreply 26July 15, 2021 10:40 PM

All those right wing fanatics there!

by Anonymousreply 27July 15, 2021 10:43 PM

r25 Idiot.

by Anonymousreply 28July 15, 2021 10:44 PM

😷 [italic] I Choose to Wear The Mask

by Anonymousreply 29July 15, 2021 10:47 PM

🤔 Nobody Knows Nothin 'Bout The Corona

by Anonymousreply 30July 15, 2021 10:50 PM

[QUOTE] But shouldn't preemptive anti-Covid measures be set at local/regional level by local public health advisory org, since we'll never have a vaccine passport in the US (like France "sanitary pass" that's going into effect 8/1)?

We don’t need any vaccine passports. They’re totally unnecessary.

The only thing the government should do right now is make sure the vaccine is readily available to anyone who wants one, no matter where they are, while promoting and encouraging vaccination. There is no better preemptive measure against the Coronavirus than the mRNA vaccines. Count your blessings that Americans have guaranteed access to this lifesaving miracle while the larger world looks on with envy and desperation.

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by Anonymousreply 31July 15, 2021 10:51 PM

R31 I live in LA. I was fully vaccinated in April. They are throwing vaccines at people here. It's as easy as walking outside

by Anonymousreply 32July 15, 2021 10:52 PM

Dataloungers, as good liberal voters, excuse nonwhite refusal to innoculate as reasonable, understandable, etc. They get a pass.

by Anonymousreply 33July 15, 2021 10:56 PM

The unvaccinated people in California are blacks and Latinos, and some white inland deplorables.

by Anonymousreply 34July 15, 2021 10:58 PM

💉 Nobody Knows Nothin'Bout The Corona Vaccine

by Anonymousreply 35July 15, 2021 10:58 PM

Marjorie is all over this thread.

by Anonymousreply 36July 15, 2021 10:59 PM

I never stopped so...

by Anonymousreply 37July 15, 2021 11:09 PM

Let’s keep in mind folks that over a half million Americans are getting vaccine shots everyday. The numbers may not be moving as fast as we’d like, but they’re still moving. And there’s even been a slight uptick lately, probably out of fear of the Delta variant.

But if you’re fully vaccinated, as I’m assuming most of us are since we’re smart and sophisticated Dataloungers, then you have absolutely nothing to fear. For now. When vaccinated people start dropping dead, then it’s time to panic again.

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by Anonymousreply 38July 15, 2021 11:11 PM

R37, me neither. The only places I've seen maskless = majority are up in the hinterlands of Big Bear and other assorted mountain communities.

by Anonymousreply 39July 15, 2021 11:12 PM

There are unvaccinated people everywhere.

The variants are going to ruin it for everyone.

If we have to hon lockdown again, people will go insane.

by Anonymousreply 40July 15, 2021 11:15 PM

😂 Settle down, Mary. We’re going to be fine.

by Anonymousreply 41July 15, 2021 11:17 PM

We did our escape from LA in March, & it's fine up here in the mountains as r39 alluded to . . . :)

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by Anonymousreply 42July 15, 2021 11:19 PM

If that order that here they will try to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer again. Good luck. And yes if I lived there I would wear a mask.

by Anonymousreply 43July 15, 2021 11:20 PM

Masks are the new pants. Never going away.

by Anonymousreply 44July 15, 2021 11:20 PM

I don't wear a mask anumore unless it's on public transportation.

by Anonymousreply 45July 15, 2021 11:25 PM

[quote]There were thousands of people there, some masked, some not. If I was going to catch Covid, that was where it would have happened and well, I'm not sick. The indoor making mandate is unnecessary if you're vaxxed.

"I didn't catch covid, therefore it's impossible for any fully vaxxed person to catch it."

You're as delusional as the deplorables.

by Anonymousreply 46July 15, 2021 11:42 PM

This strikes me as more of the "Something must be done! This is something! Let's do it!" approach that both California in general and Los Angeles specifically have been taking throughout the pandemic. Remember curfews? It's a virus, not a vampire! Is this order designed to make people get the vaccine? If so, how? What's the endgame for the mask order?

This order is not going to stop people -- whether vaccinated or not -- from going to all the parties and on all the vacations and doing everything they missed last year, so what does this achieve? Congratulations, you won't catch it at Target or Ralph's! As if the surge from the past few weeks among the unvaccinated has even the faintest connection to maskless shopping in the produce aisle.

by Anonymousreply 47July 15, 2021 11:52 PM
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by Anonymousreply 48July 15, 2021 11:52 PM

What if everyone wore masks but no pants? That would save a lot of money.

by Anonymousreply 49July 16, 2021 12:06 AM

Impossible? No.

Unlikely 90% of the time? Yes. Little or no symptoms and low viral load for transmission, but let's keep up the MSNBC hysteria, shall we?

by Anonymousreply 50July 16, 2021 12:13 AM

Masks are required to be worn indoors. Don't like it? Stay home.

by Anonymousreply 51July 16, 2021 12:15 AM

Masks are required to be worn indoors. Don't like it?

DISOBEY

by Anonymousreply 52July 16, 2021 12:16 AM

You're such a rebel. So proud. So brave. Infecting others with your ignorance and filth.

by Anonymousreply 53July 16, 2021 12:43 AM

LA was the only county in the country to ban outdoor dining for a time last winter, too. The Public Health officials there like to go it alone.

by Anonymousreply 54July 16, 2021 12:51 AM

^Sheeple

by Anonymousreply 55July 16, 2021 12:51 AM

Such a warrior princess!

by Anonymousreply 56July 16, 2021 12:53 AM

Spangle and sequin your mask, bitch. I’m not sacrificing to help people who wouldn’t sacrifice for me. I followed the rules, got me a Pfizer DP, and I’m free and easy. Like your mama.

by Anonymousreply 57July 16, 2021 12:56 AM

So Biden said he will make a decision on travel ban in a few days. What do you think is gonna happen?

Will Christmas be cancelled again???

by Anonymousreply 58July 16, 2021 12:58 AM

So many loopy right-wingers on this thread who think that wearing a mask means that they're somehow liberal sheep, and that not wearing a mask means they're strong, masculine men.

You wear a mask to protect others, not to signal your virility.

by Anonymousreply 59July 16, 2021 1:01 AM

My mama would slap the shit out of simple bitch like you.

Problem is, you'd like it a bit too much.

by Anonymousreply 60July 16, 2021 1:05 AM

Mask it!

by Anonymousreply 61July 16, 2021 1:06 AM

The only shit your mama slapped out was when she she crapped your fetus into a Reno whorehouse toilet.

by Anonymousreply 62July 16, 2021 1:08 AM

You need that mask trick.

You're breath smells like someone dedicated down your throat bitch.

by Anonymousreply 63July 16, 2021 1:11 AM

Ha! I win cause you make less sense than me!

by Anonymousreply 64July 16, 2021 1:15 AM

If you’re vaxxed, you don’t need a mask. The CDC said so. California is just making up its own shit.

by Anonymousreply 65July 16, 2021 1:17 AM

A walking partial birth experiment with fetid shit breath.

by Anonymousreply 66July 16, 2021 1:17 AM

Fuck! I have tickets for System of a Down at Korn in October

by Anonymousreply 67July 16, 2021 1:24 AM

People who are unvaccinated should stay home in quarantine until the pandemic ends. This bullshit of making vaccinated people wear masks to "protect" ignorant dumbass idiots who refuse to get vaccinated needs to end. This is not going to go over well.

by Anonymousreply 68July 16, 2021 1:28 AM

The people who need to take action to protect others are the UNVACCINATED. They need to GET VACCINATED. Those of us who already did have done our part to protect everyone. The mask order is going to fail.

by Anonymousreply 69July 16, 2021 1:31 AM

"The only people getting Covid right now are the fucktards who" congregate for more than half a breath in unventilated areas where social distancing isn't possible.

Better.

by Anonymousreply 70July 16, 2021 1:35 AM

Vaccinated people have circulating coronavirus antibodies in their blood, which provides 1000x more protection than a mask. Vaccinated people don’t need masks. 99% of the people being diagnosed with COVID are UNvaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 71July 16, 2021 1:43 AM

[quote] If I was going to catch Covid, that was where it would have happened and well, I'm not sick.

That’s not how it works. You can now be a carrier.

by Anonymousreply 72July 16, 2021 1:46 AM

Will this hurt Newsom?

by Anonymousreply 73July 16, 2021 1:48 AM

Tonight’s Yankees game was postponed because three of the team’s pitchers — all vaccinated — tested positive for the coronavirus.

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by Anonymousreply 74July 16, 2021 1:50 AM

Why would a travel ban cancel Christmas?

by Anonymousreply 75July 16, 2021 1:52 AM

It probably will hurt Newsom, even though it has nothing to do with him. But the damage will be slight and ultimately irrelevant. He’s not getting recalled.

by Anonymousreply 76July 16, 2021 1:52 AM

[quote] 99% of the people being diagnosed with COVID are UNvaccinated.

Not true at all. There are a LOT of vaccinated people who test positive for COVID and are either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. The 99% figure might apply to hospitalizations, but not diagnoses.

by Anonymousreply 77July 16, 2021 1:57 AM

That’s not how it works. You can now be a carrier.

And again, I don't care. If people around me aren't vaccinated, not my problem anymore if they catch it.

You have a 0.04% chance of catching it if you're vaccinated. But yes, I'm the delusional one.

by Anonymousreply 78July 16, 2021 1:59 AM

R78 = Delta variant.

by Anonymousreply 79July 16, 2021 2:04 AM

And, as a carrier, you also can give it to children and those you come into contact with who are immunosuppressed, recovering from cancer, etc.

Yes, others are delusional too

by Anonymousreply 80July 16, 2021 2:06 AM

It's not about the masks. An individual who can't be bothered to wear a face covering indoors which requires no effort at all, will not be observing social distancing measures either. If you want to know what these people look like, see the videos circulating of a "Karen" throwing a tantrum in Victoria's Secret. She is maskless and was asked to observe social distancing measures by another client which triggered her obscene meltdown.

by Anonymousreply 81July 16, 2021 2:16 AM

Everything is going to my plan.

by Anonymousreply 82July 16, 2021 2:22 AM

What r68 said a hundred times. We should have done a vax pass from the beginning. Punish the right people.

Once again, CA is the leader in enacting laws that make zero sense.

by Anonymousreply 83July 16, 2021 2:23 AM

And, as a carrier, you also can give it to children and those you come into contact with who are immunosuppressed, recovering from cancer, etc.

Not if those folks are wearing masks and keeping their distance. God, you're stupid.

by Anonymousreply 84July 16, 2021 2:24 AM

I'm confused. Either masks work or they don't. If they work, then those who are unvaccinated or immune compromised should still be wearing a mask, right? And those of us who are unvaccinated don't have to wear them because those masks work to protect those who need it from those of us who might be carriers. But if you're saying that now everyone has to wear a mask then they are basically saying that masks don't work, am I right?

by Anonymousreply 85July 16, 2021 2:35 AM

If Europe goes into lockdown again, I won't be able to visit my elderly relatives. I haven't seen them in 2 years. I usually visit them every December Christmas time

by Anonymousreply 86July 16, 2021 2:35 AM

[quote] We should have done a vax pass from the beginning.

Probably unconstitutional.

by Anonymousreply 87July 16, 2021 2:38 AM

We need a dart gun for the deplorables.

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by Anonymousreply 88July 16, 2021 2:38 AM

R86, you’re like .00000000000008% of the population who does that. Christmas ain’t cancelled.

by Anonymousreply 89July 16, 2021 2:39 AM

[quote] I'm confused. Either masks work or they don't. If they work, then those who are unvaccinated or immune compromised should still be wearing a mask, right? And those of us who are unvaccinated don't have to wear them because those masks work to protect those who need it from those of us who might be carriers. But if you're saying that now everyone has to wear a mask then they are basically saying that masks don't work, am I right?

Put down the pipe, hon.

by Anonymousreply 90July 16, 2021 2:40 AM

R85, omg you are so fucking stupid.

Masks work! But they are not 100%. It's a layer of protection like washing hands, social distancing etc.

The virus is airborne! So it can get in via your eyes.

If an infected person coughs, the droplets from the cough is prevented from entering your nose, mouth coz you are wearing a mask. That is how a mask can help you.

by Anonymousreply 91July 16, 2021 2:40 AM

do you see the doctors and nurses in hospitals wearing masks?!

There is your answer.

by Anonymousreply 92July 16, 2021 2:40 AM

[quote] And those of us who are unvaccinated don't have to wear them because those masks work to protect those who need it from those of us who might be carriers.

WHAT??!!!

by Anonymousreply 93July 16, 2021 2:41 AM

R92, they can act as carriers to people in the hospital with weakened immune systems. What’s your point? They’ve always worn them in surgery too. It’s a goddamn hospital.

by Anonymousreply 94July 16, 2021 2:42 AM

R85 must be retarded.

by Anonymousreply 95July 16, 2021 2:42 AM

Let the olds die and let us young people have our lives. They had their time in the sun.

by Anonymousreply 96July 16, 2021 2:43 AM

So are cases going up because people who aren't vaccinated aren't wearing masks? If so, that's on them.

by Anonymousreply 97July 16, 2021 2:44 AM

Not only would I be fine with it but I wish the assholes running NYS and NYC would do it but those cowards never will until NYC becomes like India a few months ago, at it's worst.

I've been fully vaccinated since mid April and I have never left my apartment without a double mask and never will. Several people now in my neighborhood, 3 who lived in my building, all fully vaccinated, have died of Covid in the past 6 or so weeks.

So much of it is not getting reported.

by Anonymousreply 98July 16, 2021 2:46 AM

I haven't taken my mask off and don't intend to until no new variants or outbreaks are mushrooming.

by Anonymousreply 99July 16, 2021 2:48 AM

Masks, social distancing measures, quarantine and vaccination are all tools needed to fight back against the infection. Vaccines prevent death and serious illness, not infection. Vaccinated people can become infected and pass infection.

by Anonymousreply 100July 16, 2021 2:49 AM
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by Anonymousreply 101July 16, 2021 2:50 AM

R98, wow, now i'm scared. How old were they?

by Anonymousreply 102July 16, 2021 2:51 AM

they Yankee players all got the J J vaccine. at least one of them traveled to the all star game.

by Anonymousreply 103July 16, 2021 2:52 AM

Fayshe mashksh shave livesh! And get vacshinated!

by Anonymousreply 104July 16, 2021 2:53 AM

Maybe Biden should revive this plan to send every American a mask.

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by Anonymousreply 105July 16, 2021 2:55 AM

Nearly 40% of all US COVID deaths were people with diabetes, expert suggests

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by Anonymousreply 106July 16, 2021 3:12 AM

[quote] You have a 0.04% chance of catching it if you're vaccinated. But yes, I'm the delusional one.

Not quite, r78. You have a 2.0% chance of catching it once fully vaccinated (with an mRNA vaccine) and of that 2.0%, 0.04% will die from it. Still pretty minuscule risk.

by Anonymousreply 107July 16, 2021 3:18 AM

It’s like we are starting all over again. We opened too soon. I choose to mask. Itisso simple and nota big deal for me.

by Anonymousreply 108July 16, 2021 3:22 AM

Two questions:

1) are the bars gonna have to close? Seems mean to give those businesses two weeks of operation and then kind take away the one thing they need to stay open.

2) weren’t we told that you were far more infectious while suffering symptoms (coughing) therefore if you’re vaccinated and pick up the virus and you’re a ‘carrier’ you should have an extremely low likelihood of passing it on b/c the vaccine means you don’t develop symptoms?

by Anonymousreply 109July 16, 2021 3:25 AM

It’s a no-brainer.

Those who answer “no” with no respiratory contraindications have no brain

by Anonymousreply 110July 16, 2021 3:29 AM

LA County is where they adopted the completely foolish ban on outdoor dining even though it was becoming very clear that outdoor transmission rates are virtually nil.

[quote]I'm fully vaccinated and have never stopped wearing my mask outdoors.

I'm sorry but people boasting about behavior for which there's no scientific basis drive me crazy.

by Anonymousreply 111July 16, 2021 3:35 AM

It’s crazy how many responses in this thread latch on to one random piece of scientific information that is accurate and then extrapolate that into beliefs that make no logical sense.

I’m vaccinated with Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine. My chance of getting COVID is about 2%. My chance of dying from it if I happen to be one of the 2% who catches it is about 0.4%. If I’m one of the unlucky FEW who catch it, it is far more likely that I will be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms and then recover rather than become seriously ill and die.

Yes, in other countries (such as the UK) the data look different…because a.) a lot of the recently published data is including single doses in the “vaxed” data, and b.) the UK used a ton of AsteaZeneca jabs, which we’ve known from the beginning were less effective than Pfizer and Moderna. People try to extrapolate that data and apply it to the US when the situation in the states is very different.

Wearing a mask protects others from me if I have it. It doesn’t do as well at protecting me from others if they have it. Am I concerned about passing it to someone? Not really because my chances of having it are so low (see above) and also the consequences of passing it are also not that drastic, frankly. If I pass it to a child who is too young to be vaccinated, they are very likely going to recover just fine. We’ve known from the jump that this virus has not been affecting our youngest anywhere near the level it has affected the elderly. If 12+ people are immunocompromised and can’t be vaxed, they need to take precautions to protect themselves from Covid just as they do to protect themselves from other viruses. We’ve never worn masks when we have a cold or the flu in order to protect immunicompromised individuals. I don’t understand why COvId should be different. If 12+ people choose not to get vaxed, I’m not concerned about spreading it to them. That’s their choice and they’ll have to live with the consequences.

There’s no evidence that the increased spread will cause mutations that will render the vaccine ineffective. True, delta is more contagious, but vaccinated people are still faring well against it.

I’ll wear a mask where it’s required because it’s not worth fighting over; but it seems very unnecessary for those of us who’ve been fully vaxed with the mRNA to need to wear them. The science doesn’t support the need.

If you wanna wear one, go for it. I don’t judge you. If you want to live in fear and hide under your bed for eternity, go for it. I couldn’t care less. Let’s at least try not to manipulate the science to defend our choices, though.

by Anonymousreply 112July 16, 2021 3:46 AM

It's not about the masks. You won't wear a mask indoors or social distance.

by Anonymousreply 113July 16, 2021 3:50 AM

Celine Dion moved her LA dates to 2022 along with 20 other US dates today.

by Anonymousreply 114July 16, 2021 4:01 AM

[quote] Am I concerned about passing it to someone? Not really

Well, therein lies the problem.

If we all just did the basics, and stopped rationalising why we don’t want to, this mess would get cleaned up sooner than later.

Full fucking stop.

by Anonymousreply 115July 16, 2021 4:05 AM

Americans are so stupid and entitled. They actually think a virus will go away if they just get sick of it. Until they get sick from it.

by Anonymousreply 116July 16, 2021 4:07 AM

[Quote] Nearly 40% of all US COVID deaths were people with diabetes, expert suggests

Why didn't Trump and the rest of the fat ass repigs ruling over this country DIE?

by Anonymousreply 117July 16, 2021 4:08 AM

R115 I think you misunderstood the other persons meaning of that sentence, he thinks it’s extremely unlikely that he’ll pass it on rather than he’s callous about passing it to someone. Think of it like wearing your keys in an open pocket that you’re fairly secure you won’t lose them from “am I concerned about losing my keys? Not really” he’s confident he won’t lose them, not that he wouldn’t be upset if he did lose them. That was my take anyway!

by Anonymousreply 118July 16, 2021 4:24 AM

Get real, r115. If we all just ate healthy and exercised, none of us would be fat either. “We all” will never agree to do the same thing, especially when it comes to CV restrictions.

Thank you, r118-that’s exactly what I meant.

by Anonymousreply 119July 16, 2021 4:35 AM

R119 no prob - I’m shocked by what needs explaining on here sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 120July 16, 2021 4:41 AM

🧐 Imagine people lying about the vaccine, saying they got it when they really didn't.

Filthy Lying Whores!

by Anonymousreply 121July 16, 2021 4:48 AM

[quote]Americans are so stupid and entitled. They actually think a virus will go away if they just get sick of it. Until they get sick from it.

I'm vaccinated and I'm not worried about catching the virus. Do you understand that? I'm not "sick of the virus" - I'm protected against it. I'm more likely to be hit by a car than get a serious case of Covid, let alone die from it.

So don't call me stupid and entitled.

by Anonymousreply 122July 16, 2021 4:57 AM

You’re stupid and entitled, r122.

by Anonymousreply 123July 16, 2021 5:19 AM

[quote] You have a 2.0% chance of catching it once fully vaccinated (with an mRNA vaccine)

Are some not mRNA?

by Anonymousreply 124July 16, 2021 5:19 AM

The virus is airborne! So it can get in via your eyes.

So what is the point of the mask again? Oh that's right. There isn't one anymore. Look people who weren't wearing a mask and were unvaccinated are the one's catching this now. So fuck them and make it mandatory for them and them alone. But honestly if everyone wears a mask now and the cases drop, it's just going to keep happening once we take them off again because you can't fix stupid. Fuck these unvaccinated idiots. They can die.

by Anonymousreply 125July 16, 2021 6:02 AM

So the vaccine doesn't work then?

by Anonymousreply 126July 16, 2021 6:07 AM

The vaccines work. Masks are not needed. The only people who have serious risk at this point are people who are not vaccinated. And unless they have a medical reason they can't be vaccinated, they have made their choice and will have to live with the consequences. There is not cost to get the vaccine. They are widely available. Early in the pandemic, masks were a tool to help control spread because there were no other tools (vaccines) available. Now we have a tool that is very highly effective at preventing serious illness and spread of the virus. If people choose not to use that very highly effective tool, don't expect the rest of us to be forced to use a marginally useful tool (masks) to protect you from your own stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 127July 16, 2021 6:14 AM

So why does everyone have to wear one now?

by Anonymousreply 128July 16, 2021 6:22 AM

Because we have government officials who want to "do something" as a way of posturing and virtue signalling, R128. It doesn't have to be the right thing to do, it just needs to make it look like they are taking action.

by Anonymousreply 129July 16, 2021 6:27 AM

I am so fucking pissed, I cannot even tell you. I am on a trip away from LA when my friend sent me a text with the news. I can't believe they are doing this. Does this mean masking up at the gym, the end of the steam room. What was the fucking point of getting vacciated. Why are they dropping this bomb on us. Life was just getting back to normal. I am really depressed and this all feels not right. With a recall happening, I am surprised Gavin Newsom is not intervening. I'm pissed off!!!!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 130July 16, 2021 6:39 AM

I've read a few articles and I have not heard any commentary from Barbara Ferrer. - where is this bitch? I quasi trust her and want to hear what she has to say.,

by Anonymousreply 131July 16, 2021 6:54 AM

[quote]weren’t we told that you were far more infectious while suffering symptoms (coughing) therefore if you’re vaccinated and pick up the virus and you’re a ‘carrier’ you should have an extremely low likelihood of passing it on b/c the vaccine means you don’t develop symptoms?

Yes, that's correct. It's unvaccinated people who are developing high viral loads and causing most of the transmission.

by Anonymousreply 132July 16, 2021 7:04 AM

Usually they warm us up for this, but this feels like getting fucked with no lube. Is this all to do with the blacks and hispanics nit getting vaccinated. Our out reach to community of color has been next level including many incentives. I don't get why we are being punished when at this point the people who don't want it aren't going to get regardless off the incentives or conveniences provided to the,.

by Anonymousreply 133July 16, 2021 7:08 AM

R124, Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA vaccines. J&J is an adenovirus based vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 134July 16, 2021 7:14 AM

[quote] 🤔 Nobody Knows Nothin 'Bout The Corona

Rona’s out there, and she’s a sneaky SOB, be careful

by Anonymousreply 135July 16, 2021 7:28 AM

[quote] 🤔 Nobody Knows Nothin 'Bout The Corona

I HATE you and have since this pandemic began. You continue to use that awful phrase and emoji over and over and over again for almost 18 months.. Fuck off!

That's all.

by Anonymousreply 136July 16, 2021 7:33 AM

Because the honor system doesn’t work, R85.

by Anonymousreply 137July 16, 2021 8:03 AM

R85, the masks work when both parties are wearing them. They work on their own but not as well as when two people interacting are both wearing them. It lessens the venting of virus through droplets and aerosols from an infected person and it lessens the intake of virus droplets and aerosols in the uninfec isted person. If only one person is wearing the mask, the equation no longer works enough to stop spread. They do not yet know for sure if being vaccinated blocks the transmission to the point that is equivalent to a mask. It might. It might not. The Delta variant being as contagious as it is makes that doubt even higher.

Everyone wearing a mask is the best practice until we reach herd immunity and there is no longer community spread. They tried to use "ooh, you can go without a mask if you're vaccinated" as a carrot to tempt the morons into getting vaccinated but they were too stupid to act in a intelligent manner. So, now, it's back to masks since these dumb fuckers won't get vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 138July 16, 2021 8:37 AM

They do not yet know for sure if being vaccinated blocks the transmission to the point that is equivalent to a mask.

Yes they do. They know it works better than the mask which is why the cases only started dropping when people started getting vaccinated. Prior to that, even WITH the masks the cases were high. The vaccine works. Masks are a tool that sort of work but not really. So telling people to put them on when inside a restaurant and then remove them when your dinner is served is the most asinine thing because the fucking virus doesn't just go, "oh, they're eating and drinking, I'm not allowed to spread now." There is no point to it.

by Anonymousreply 139July 16, 2021 9:55 AM

Put on your masks, ladies. You too, asshole.

by Anonymousreply 140July 16, 2021 10:14 AM

Not too many sane queens (a contradiction in terms, I know) on this thread. Either the right-wing view like R25 or the "I am wearing a mask even if COVID disappears" like R37 who also accuses of being bisexual. Annoyingly rigid sons of bitches.

by Anonymousreply 141July 16, 2021 10:30 AM

R139, again, the word of the day is variant. Can you say variant? I know you can. No, they do not know the effective transmission rates of Delta and the other more highly contagious variants in the vaccinated. There is no reason, at all, to not wear a mask indoors around other people. None.

by Anonymousreply 142July 16, 2021 10:54 AM

[quote] You wear a mask to protect others, not to signal your virility.

No, YOU wear a mask to signal your virtue.

When the CDC, NIH, and our President Biden—you remember him, right? He’s the one that espoused trusting the science throughout the prior shitshow—say you do NOT need to wear one if you’ve been vaccinated, I’ll trust those same scientists who told me I needed to wear one at the beginning of the pandemic, and dutifully did so.

by Anonymousreply 143July 16, 2021 11:18 AM

[quote] unvaccinated are the one's catching this now.

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 144July 16, 2021 11:19 AM

[quote] Several people now in my neighborhood, 3 who lived in my building, all fully vaccinated, have died of Covid in the past 6 or so weeks.

This. Never. Happened.

by Anonymousreply 145July 16, 2021 11:20 AM

[quote] Full fucking stop.

Full fucking eyeroll.

Take your shit back to Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 146July 16, 2021 11:21 AM

[quote]weren’t we told that you were far more infectious while suffering symptoms (coughing) therefore if you’re vaccinated and pick up the virus and you’re a ‘carrier’ you should have an extremely low likelihood of passing it on b/c the vaccine means you don’t develop symptoms?

No, we weren't told that. We were told that transmission is possible when an individual isn't feeling any symptoms at all -- and some studies estimate that asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission is responsible for more than 50% of new cases.

That said, vaccinated people tend to carry less virus when infected than non-vaccinated people, so the speculation is they will be less infectious. But we don't know that for a fact, just as we don't know if vaccinated people who get infected will be susceptible to the long-term complications that afflict up to 30% of those infected -- and you don't have to experience any symptoms to experience debilitating complications months down the line.

by Anonymousreply 147July 16, 2021 11:26 AM

[quote] No, they do not know the effective transmission rates of Delta and the other more highly contagious variants in the vaccinated.

They have a pretty good idea, r142, and guess what-the mRNA vaccines are doing a great job protecting against all the variants so far as well. You might want to speak to someone about your irrational fear and anxiety. It’s understandable, but it’s also time to get a grip.

by Anonymousreply 148July 16, 2021 11:34 AM

A pretty good idea? You're quite the scientist, Lenny.

by Anonymousreply 149July 16, 2021 11:37 AM

[quote] A pretty good idea? You're quite the scientist, Lenny.

Oh, fuck off. “They have a pretty good idea” as in “The fucking scientists have a pretty good idea.” If it’s all the same to you, I’ll listen to the scientists and heed their advice rather than the anxiety ridden fear mongering on an anonymous message board. You do you, though. Enjoy hiding under your bed!

by Anonymousreply 150July 16, 2021 11:40 AM

^^^ ROFL

by Anonymousreply 151July 16, 2021 11:49 AM

Get blacks to vaccinate

by Anonymousreply 152July 16, 2021 11:52 AM
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by Anonymousreply 153July 16, 2021 12:03 PM

R59 wrong, it's possible to support earlier covid restrictions and to now not support them. Covid was previously a risk to 100% of the population. Now, something like 45% are vaccinated and when you add on to that everyone who caught covid already and recovered (which conveys similar protection to a vaccine), then even if covid spreads rampant, it will never be the threat it once was. Remember, 85% of covid infections are asymptomatic--NO DIRECT RISK!! I will go along with government managed during a potentially widespread dangerous pandemic, but not for something that now kills much less than the flu. It's not the risk it once was! You people need to think critically about this, and challenge the assumptions that you held onto during the actually dangerous time.

by Anonymousreply 154July 16, 2021 12:07 PM

LA says mask up.

by Anonymousreply 155July 16, 2021 12:08 PM

Lenny won't mask up and will not observe social distancing measures.

Lenny is all about " something, something, mah freedumbs".

by Anonymousreply 156July 16, 2021 12:16 PM

Ok this statement has nothing to do with masks but I think the vaccinated people who are testing positive for Delta must be building antibodies against it so they probably won't need a booster for a while.

by Anonymousreply 157July 16, 2021 12:59 PM

[quote]This bullshit of making vaccinated people wear masks to "protect" ignorant dumbass idiots who refuse to get vaccinated needs to end.

The only other solution is forcing people to get vaccinated and there's no use even trying that with the Trump SCOTUS we've got.

You should be angry at the people refusing to take the vaccine or even pretending that they took it but didn't. They went out and lived like they were vaccinated and now we're seeing huge spikes of COVID again. That's the problem, not the government, not masks.

Half the posts on this thread sound like temper tantrums from little babies. They probably don't live anywhere near CA anyway.

by Anonymousreply 158July 16, 2021 1:09 PM

[quote] The Foo Fight canceled their concert at the Forum this Saturday because of covid in their crew.

Quick, somebody tell Ricky Schroder.

by Anonymousreply 159July 16, 2021 1:10 PM

there was a report a few weeks ago a nurse in Singapore, vaccinated, got the covid and passed it to people in the ward...and another man working as a cleaner also vaccinated and passed it to his co-workers.

by Anonymousreply 160July 16, 2021 1:53 PM

.......

by Anonymousreply 161July 16, 2021 3:53 PM

r160 can you link the source? uh huh . . . thought so

by Anonymousreply 162July 16, 2021 4:40 PM

By September, another shit show . Covid 2

by Anonymousreply 163July 16, 2021 4:56 PM

I'd love to see a Venn diagram of the people who refuse to get the vaccine using the "it hasn't been approved by the FDA" excuse and those who take untold quantities of similarly unapproved questionable supplements, not to mention subscribing to all other types of quackery.

by Anonymousreply 164July 16, 2021 4:58 PM

Ava Gardner and George C. Scott star in COVID !

by Anonymousreply 165July 16, 2021 8:34 PM

Is there a travel ban for people in the UK? They can't come to the USA right?

by Anonymousreply 166July 16, 2021 10:22 PM

Masks will not stop the pandemic. Vaccination will stop the pandemic. In the US, vaccines are widely available and demand has dropped to the point that many large scale vaccination sites have closed down. The tool to end this mess is here. We have it. People need to use it. MASKS ARE NOT THE TOOL.

I realize there other parts of the planet outside the US, where circumstances differ. So no need to be a cunt and point that out.

by Anonymousreply 167July 16, 2021 10:36 PM

Then why mask mandates for the vaccinated?

by Anonymousreply 168July 16, 2021 10:38 PM

Because we have government officials who feel the need to frantically "do something!" regardless of whether or not that something solves the root problem. It's posturing and virtue signalling.

by Anonymousreply 169July 16, 2021 10:40 PM

R168, how many times do I have to post this?! You are fucking STUPID.

Mask is another layer of protection!!!

by Anonymousreply 170July 16, 2021 10:42 PM

How many times do YOU have to post that lame retort R170? YOU are fucking stupid.

by Anonymousreply 171July 16, 2021 10:43 PM

R171, better than you. you are fucking hopeless and if you can't understand why masks are necessary, then fuck off and die.

You're a useless troll. Continue to live in your parent's basement. and stop eating you fat fuck!

by Anonymousreply 172July 16, 2021 10:47 PM

[quote] Masks will not stop the pandemic. Vaccination will stop the pandemic. In the US, vaccines are widely available and demand has dropped to the point that many large scale vaccination sites have closed down. The tool to end this mess is here. We have it. People need to use it. MASKS ARE NOT THE TOOL

Respectfully disagree, R167.

Covid-19 is a NOVEL Coronavirus: rapidly evolving. We are still learning as variants develop. Vaccines are ONE tool in the multi-pronged treatment for this global pandemic.

Vaccines for it are not the end all-be all panacea.

Masks, social distancing and actual treatments for it are other avenues for virus elimination.

by Anonymousreply 173July 16, 2021 10:47 PM

Block r169 and all the insipid posts disappear.

by Anonymousreply 174July 16, 2021 10:47 PM

R174 do you know what insipid means?

by Anonymousreply 175July 16, 2021 10:48 PM

[quote]Masks will not stop the pandemic. Vaccination will stop the pandemic.

No, people getting vaccinations will stop the pandemic ... and way too few Americans are.

by Anonymousreply 176July 16, 2021 10:49 PM

[Quote] Is there a travel ban for people in the UK? They can't come to the USA right?

How do you think Delta got to the US? HELLO!

by Anonymousreply 177July 16, 2021 10:54 PM

[quote]Vaccines for it are not the end all-be all panacea.

They are. If everyone were vaccinated, Covid would be gone, like smallpox and polio.

by Anonymousreply 178July 16, 2021 11:00 PM

[quote] They are. If everyone were vaccinated, Covid would be gone, like smallpox and polio.

Nope. I what world is EVERYONE going to get vaccinated?

You and I both know that is not going to happen, R178.

Hence, not the panacea.

by Anonymousreply 179July 16, 2021 11:10 PM

r169 is one of the only ones making sense on this thread. Why would I block him?

by Anonymousreply 180July 16, 2021 11:15 PM

[quote]Enjoy hiding under your bed!

Why do you morons go to extreme hyperbole? Well, we know why, but do you? No one is hiding under their beds. We're all going out. We just wear a mask to do it in order to protect other people and, possibly, depending on what the future variants bring, ourselves. Do you even realize you are literally saying the same exact things the Trump loons were spewing last July? "Oh, you all just hide under your beds forever!" Exact same words as you're using now.

Like I said above, the word to understand is 'variants'. Just like the moron Trumpers didn't understand original Covid and acted like everything was fine, you are now not understanding the development of variants and acting like everything is fine. The problem with your ignorant approach is that thousands of vaccinated people will be dead before the doctors and Fauci declare that the vaccine is no longer working enough to prevent deaths. That's just the nature of new variants. You don't know they're dangerous until enough people have been negatively affected by it to be scientifically relevant. So, thank you for playing the canary for those of us taking the very simple step of wearing a mask inside around other people.

by Anonymousreply 181July 16, 2021 11:32 PM

[quote] They are. If everyone were vaccinated, Covid would be gone, like smallpox and polio....

Not necessarily.

As R181 astutely noted, the key word is VARIANTS. Some variants that develop - due to a highly transmissible virus - could elude a vaccine that is NOT developed to target the variants.

by Anonymousreply 182July 16, 2021 11:38 PM

⚰️ You kids just go right ahead an do whatever the hell you please. It's your funeral.

Pre-arrangements should be the word of the day.

by Anonymousreply 183July 17, 2021 12:49 AM

Naw r181. We are the ones who stayed home and isolated from everyone for over a year, who ate alone on Thanksgiving and Christmas and who spend our days working with nothing else to do. We are the ones who avoided going into grocery stores and wore n95 masks, who didn't touch or see our loved ones or friends for over a year. And we're the ones who got vaccinated because we believed and followed the science. We also convinced other friends/loved ones who were skeptical to get the vaccine. And now, after doing all of that (unlike the Trumpers who went out and acted like everything was fine) we were finally told that the vaccine works and we could take off our masks and see the people we love who had survived (some of my friends did not).

And now, because the unvaccinated who never sacrificed a goddamn thing are getting sick and dying we are supposed to suddenly care more about them then they do themselves and go back to wearing a mask to "protect" these fucktards despite the science saying masks for the vaccinated are not necessary?

Just no. Fuck them all. Let them die.

by Anonymousreply 184July 17, 2021 12:52 AM

This thread sounds an awful lot like the first thread in the never ending series of coronavirus threads. So many people dismissed this as meaningless panic. Who in their right mind believed we were about to see the mass explosion of a world wide pandemic that would wipe out so many lives? And now you same fools don't believe the next round has already begun.

by Anonymousreply 185July 17, 2021 12:56 AM

Oh, we believe it but because we are vaccinated, we don't care.

by Anonymousreply 186July 17, 2021 1:08 AM

R170,I got the vaccine for protection. Fuck your mask 😷

by Anonymousreply 187July 17, 2021 1:27 AM

The wonder vaccine was thrown together in a matter of months, briefly tested, then foisted upon us as the cure. Many of us took it because we believed it to be our best hope. In reality it was our only hope. We don't have a clue as to them long term side effects, but time will certainly tell. And now it's all about the booster that we may or may not need. I chose to get the vaccine, but I can certainly understand why many were and are too afraid to get it.

by Anonymousreply 188July 17, 2021 1:31 AM

They were different ages R102. One was mid 30s, 1 late 40s, the woman was 50 something and one was 62.

I'm plenty scared, believe me. I'm back to only leaving my apartment when absolutely necessary. Being in the elevator with no more than 2 feet between me and the next person, many of whom no longer wear masks thanks to the damn politicians, and I'm talking about the Dem ones in my state, city, fucking country, and the CDC that I think were told to tell everyone to take off their masks to make the economy look better for Biden.

Between the crazy Trumpers who won't wear masks and the Dems who want to make it look like everything is improving I think we're never going to get out of this pandemic. Hearing about my neighbors has freaked me out beyond any other point in this pandemic. I'm terrified.

by Anonymousreply 189July 17, 2021 1:32 AM

[quote] We don't have a clue as to them long term side effects, but time will certainly.

You say this about the vaccine, but this is equally applicable - and likely more so - to Covid 19.

by Anonymousreply 190July 17, 2021 1:33 AM

[quote]No, people getting vaccinations will stop the pandemic ... and way too few Americans are.

R176, that's exactly what "vaccination will stop the pandemic" means. Vaccination means people getting the vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 191July 17, 2021 1:34 AM

I'll wear the fucking mask but I deeply resent it. I don't give a shit what happens to the unvaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 192July 17, 2021 1:58 AM

"The wonder vaccine was thrown together in a matter of months, briefly tested, then foisted upon us as the cure."

You're completely wrong but you amuse me.

by Anonymousreply 193July 17, 2021 2:56 AM

La has become a fucking banana republic. Garrett doesn't give a fuck because he's off the DC.

by Anonymousreply 194July 17, 2021 6:20 AM

Garcetti dummy

by Anonymousreply 195July 17, 2021 6:23 AM

I'm stoned and I don't GAF, cunt @ R196.

by Anonymousreply 196July 17, 2021 6:25 AM

I sort of like the masks. I don't have to shave as much.

by Anonymousreply 197July 17, 2021 6:37 AM

Masks are not mandatory anymore here in Norway. I still wear one when I'm going to the grocery store or going shopping. I'm not vaccinated yet, so by the off chance I'm infected I don't want to infect anyone else. But I will probably quit using it when I'm fully vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 198July 17, 2021 7:19 AM

COVID is a hoax.

by Anonymousreply 199July 17, 2021 8:44 AM

I wore a mask outdoors today and I'm glad I did, I'm in the city and the sidewalks can get busy. 2 people coughed as they walked past me and another sneezed as I was out running errands today.

I haven't been wearing a mask outdoors since getting vaxxed but I'm gonna be extra careful from now on.

by Anonymousreply 200July 17, 2021 6:40 PM

anyone else?

by Anonymousreply 201July 17, 2021 11:59 PM

r195 Garcetti has nothing to do with LA COUNTY.

by Anonymousreply 202July 18, 2021 12:39 AM

And Long Beach is in LA County, but has it's own Health Department so does not have to follow the orders of the LA County Health Department. But they usually do stay in synch. In case anybody gives a shit.

by Anonymousreply 203July 18, 2021 12:41 AM

A young woman at my work had to take a day off to get tested because her sister, with whom she lives, tested positive. Both are fully vaxxed. She came back to work the next day with a negative test. So much for quarantine. We are required to mask at work, so I just keep to myself.

by Anonymousreply 204July 18, 2021 12:52 AM

[quote] Garrett doesn't give a fuck because he's off the DC.

The DC?

by Anonymousreply 205July 18, 2021 1:10 AM

The Dick colony r205

by Anonymousreply 206July 18, 2021 1:36 AM

I’m vaccinated. I’m not going to give in to fear .

by Anonymousreply 207July 18, 2021 1:43 AM

You confound caution with fear.

by Anonymousreply 208July 18, 2021 2:35 AM

If it’s so dire, why is everything up and open?

by Anonymousreply 209July 18, 2021 2:50 AM

Hoping this information will be appreciated by some people.

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by Anonymousreply 210July 18, 2021 3:04 AM

As winter turned to spring, many in the United States breathed a sigh of relief because the pandemic picture seemed to be getting better. People flooded social media with vaccination pics as case counts trended down and news outlets mused about just how great summer would be—reunions, restaurant dinners, and travel finally made safer. But with the remnants of Fourth of July barbecue still baked onto America’s patio grills, Pfizer and BioNTech, the makers of one of the most powerful COVID-19 vaccines, decided to bring a big, sopping wet blanket to the social reopening that news outlets have started to call “hot vax summer.”

Pfizer’s chief scientific officer Mikael Dolsten told Reuters that six months after getting the Pfizer shot, “there likely is the risk of reinfection as antibodies, as predicted, wane.” The company planned to ask the US government to authorize a third shot of its near-miraculous vaccine and even test a new vaccine specifically tailored to the new highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus causing the pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 211July 18, 2021 3:06 AM

White House officials worried the announcement would drive vaccine skepticism if people thought the shots were good only for six months. World Health Organization officials lashed out at Pfizer for recommending boosters when health care workers and others in much of the world couldn’t even get a first shot, much less a controversial third shot of the vaccine. And scientists questioned whether the boosters were even necessary.

With less than 50 percent of the United States fully vaccinated, and the low-hanging fruit of the country’s vaccine drive (e.g., everyone who posted a picture of their vaccine card on social media) mostly vaccinated, the Biden administration and state and local officials are struggling to boost coverage, including in areas where vaccine hesitancy can run high.

by Anonymousreply 212July 18, 2021 3:10 AM

White House officials worried the announcement would drive vaccine skepticism if people thought the shots were good only for six months. World Health Organization officials lashed out at Pfizer for recommending boosters when health care workers and others in much of the world couldn’t even get a first shot, much less a controversial third shot of the vaccine. And scientists questioned whether the boosters were even necessary.

With less than 50 percent of the United States fully vaccinated, and the low-hanging fruit of the country’s vaccine drive (e.g., everyone who posted a picture of their vaccine card on social media) mostly vaccinated, the Biden administration and state and local officials are struggling to boost coverage, including in areas where vaccine hesitancy can run high.

by Anonymousreply 213July 18, 2021 3:11 AM

Despite lotteries and scholarship giveaways, and even as cases start to tick up in many states, vaccination trend lines are creeping down.

“You know what would really help?” Ashish K. Jha, dean of Brown School of Public Health, tweeted. “Ensuring the 25M who have 1 shot get their 2nd. And [e]nsuring the 100M eligible who have zero shots get their first. That would help keep everyone safe”

Other experts question whether boosters are even necessary. “At this point I see no evidence to support recommending them,” Emory University expert Carlos del Rio tweeted.

As part of its push for booster shots, Pfizer cited Israeli data showing that after six months, its vaccine was less effective at preventing both infection and symptomatic disease. On July 5, the government reported vaccine’s effectiveness at preventing infection and symptomatic disease had fallen to 64 percent, while in May, the government reported the Pfizer vaccine was 95 percent effective at preventing infection, hospitalization, and severe disease, according to Reuters. Some scientists questioned the Israeli data’s limitations, but the government there has already started giving Pfizer booster shots to patients with compromised immune systems.

by Anonymousreply 214July 18, 2021 3:17 AM

[quote] If it’s so dire, why is everything up and open?

Good question, R209.

Perhaps a combination of reasons:

-economic

-intent to maintain status quo and reassure populace without inciting fear and widespread panic

-belief that if the general public knew what genuinely occurs in hospital Covid wards, things would be [bold] very [bold] different

*The Tokyo Olympics and Events at the WIV (Wuhan Institute of Virology) are examples of situations where economic pressure and repression of public sentiment trump transparency and natural - authentic - expression of events.

by Anonymousreply 215July 18, 2021 3:17 AM

Pfizer has suggested a reduction in antibodies to the coronavirus as a reason a booster shot is needed, but the immune system has more than one trick up its sleeve. In addition to antibodies that help the body identify pathogens, the body also produces memory B cells, for example, which exist in bone marrow and bodily organs and can produce new antibodies after an exposure. These cells can persist for years. “Antibody response is not the only measure of immune protection,” Leana S. Wen, a former health commissioner for Baltimore, told The New York Times.

If the US government changes course and recommends boosters, the move would likely put even more wind in Pfizer’s already billowing financial sails. The company reported a more than $1 billion increase in net income in the first three months of the year as compared to 2020 and has projected it would sell $26 billion of COVID-19 vaccination doses in 2021. John P. Moore, an immunologist at Weill Cornell Medicine, told The Washington Post he worried that Pfizer was making an opportunistic pitch. Boosters may be necessary, he said, “but to say we need it now and give the public the impression the vaccines are failing and something needs to be done as a matter of urgency. … The time isn’t now,” he said.

by Anonymousreply 216July 18, 2021 3:18 AM

With booster shots representing a potential market of somewhere between $11 and $37 billion for Pfizer, according to a Bloomberg Intelligence analysis, and hints that the company’s discounted pandemic pricing may come to end (currently shots cost the US government $19.50, but the company has said a more typical price might be as high as $175), Pfizer clearly has a financial incentive to push boosters.

Pfizer didn’t answer a question about whether the profit motive was driving its push for boosters, instead telling the Bulletin in a statement that the company has “a sense of urgency in staying ahead of the virus.” It’s a sentiment, the statement said, that the US government also shared. For now, at least, the federal government is keeping its excitement over boosters in check. “Americans who have been fully vaccinated do not need a booster shot at this time,” the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration said in joint statement. So for now, in the United States at least, the hot vax summer goes on.

by Anonymousreply 217July 18, 2021 3:22 AM

The four vaccines The Bill and Melinda Foundation is betting on.

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by Anonymousreply 218July 18, 2021 3:29 AM

The profit incentive for Pfizer is why I'm listening to the government on this. I'm also taking into consideration the science of immune response that does not rely solely on antibodies though, for some reason, that is how Pfizer has decided to measure it.

by Anonymousreply 219July 18, 2021 4:39 AM

Love Fucking Love wearing a mask!

by Anonymousreply 220July 18, 2021 5:47 AM

Neutrogena sunscreen was found to contain cancer causing ingredients. It's manufacturer is Johnson & Johnson, of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. And of the Johnson & Johnson cancer causing talcum powder.

Yesiree, sign me right up for that J & J booster shot!

by Anonymousreply 221July 18, 2021 6:14 AM

I'm not getting another fucking vaccine after finishing off the 2 dose shots in late April. Fuck it! The vaccines don't work, clearly,.

by Anonymousreply 222July 18, 2021 6:22 AM

People seem to love him in the comments

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by Anonymousreply 223July 18, 2021 11:20 AM

Health Secretary Sajid Javid has tested positive for Covid-19 and is suffering "very mild" symptoms.

Mr Javid, who has received both vaccine doses, said on Saturday night a PCR test had confirmed a positive result he received by lateral flow test.

He said he would continue to self-isolate and work from home.

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by Anonymousreply 224July 18, 2021 1:13 PM

All these people getting it again after we were told the chances of getting it were minuscule after getting vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 225July 18, 2021 1:16 PM

R184

R184

R184

Because it needs to be read again and again and again.

by Anonymousreply 226July 18, 2021 1:29 PM

[quote] The wonder vaccine was thrown together in a matter of months, briefly tested, then foisted upon us as the cure.

You’re an idiot spewing tired bullshit talking points.

by Anonymousreply 227July 18, 2021 1:30 PM

R189

MARY!!!

by Anonymousreply 228July 18, 2021 1:31 PM

[quote] but has it's own Health Department

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 229July 18, 2021 1:32 PM

R184, 2020: "Can't we all just come together as human beings and do what we have to do to protect each other?"

R184, 2021: "I got my shot, fuck you."

by Anonymousreply 230July 18, 2021 2:06 PM

Not quite, r230.

It’s “I got my shot, you didn’t get yours even though there’s no reason why you can’t or won’t and expect me to go above and beyond to protect you regardless of your stupidity when you didn’t have the same courtesy toward me last year. Fuck you.”

by Anonymousreply 231July 18, 2021 2:14 PM

R184

R184

R184

by Anonymousreply 232July 18, 2021 2:24 PM

Vaccine is not as potent as touted previously

by Anonymousreply 233July 18, 2021 2:28 PM

Wearing a mask is still a way to protect yourselves. I know everyone wants this to be over but it's not. Delta, and now Lambda (and the 20 whatever unnamed variants already out there), are making this not be over. Those of you acting like it's over are no better than the early denialists. Where they said Covid was a hoax, you are saying these variants are a hoax. You'll be ordered back into masks in September anyway.

by Anonymousreply 234July 18, 2021 2:35 PM

And stay at home order .

by Anonymousreply 235July 18, 2021 2:36 PM

[quote] Wearing a mask is still a way to protect yourselves.

If only.

Wearing a mask protects others in proximity to you.

Which makes it all the more insufferable when some redhat recycled hillbilly is in your face screaming about sheep and the gubmint because you’re wearing a mask.

by Anonymousreply 236July 18, 2021 2:49 PM

[quote] Vaccine is not as potent as touted previously

What a very erudite, learned link you posted.

by Anonymousreply 237July 18, 2021 2:54 PM

[quote] Those of you acting like it's over are no better than the early denialists. Where they said Covid was a hoax, you are saying these variants are a hoax.

Nobody said any such thing.

What we are saying is the CDC, NIH, Biden et al. have all told us if you’re vaccinated, you’re safe, hence no “oh, no! Variants! Who would’ve thunk it? The sky is falling, the sky is falling!” from us.

by Anonymousreply 238July 18, 2021 2:57 PM

[quote] Those of you acting like it's over are no better than the early denialists. Where they said Covid was a hoax, you are saying these variants are a hoax. You'll be ordered back into masks in September anyway.

Oh, do fuck off, r234. No one is denying there are variants and that Covid will continue to thrive unless more get vaccinated. Debating the need to wear a mask once vaccinated is not equivalent to calling Covid a hoax.

by Anonymousreply 239July 18, 2021 4:15 PM

Exactly r239

by Anonymousreply 240July 18, 2021 4:17 PM

Fake news?

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by Anonymousreply 241July 18, 2021 4:31 PM

Today is first day of mask mandate. Let’s see how many comply.

by Anonymousreply 242July 18, 2021 4:33 PM

OP, There wasn’t any “balking” at the mask requirements on DL. What are you talking about?! Is this your first time here? Gay men, in general, are the loudest government mandate supporters, as long as it’s “the right people”, issuing those orders.

That being said, those of you calling for mask mandates must be the kind of people who benefit from it. Like that you’re not attractive and think that the masks hide your ugliness, inside and out. What are you trying to save? Have you been outside? Do you know the world outside of your oh-so-pleasant circles?! Let them die. We need a culling. Just stop with your fake concern, you disgusting followers and posers! Just shut the fuck up, already.

by Anonymousreply 243July 18, 2021 4:53 PM

The “Masks Do More Harm Than Good” headline in r241 immediately invalidates that source as credible. I’m not convinced that masks are necessary once fully vaccinated, but saying they do more harm than good is ridiculous. Masks do no harm - they’re just annoying to have to wear.

by Anonymousreply 244July 18, 2021 4:55 PM

[quote] That being said, those of you calling for mask mandates must be the kind of people who benefit from it. Like that you’re not attractive and think that the masks hide your ugliness, inside and out.

Nah. Maybe there are some like that, but I think the majority of the “always-maskers” have just experienced PTSD from the first wave of COVID. It was legitimately scary, and I get the continued fear even if I don’t personally suffer from it much at the moment. Wear a mask if you want. It’s no skin off my back.

by Anonymousreply 245July 18, 2021 4:58 PM

The fear has been stoked by the media outlets they watch since then.

by Anonymousreply 246July 18, 2021 5:00 PM

Fuck masks

by Anonymousreply 247July 18, 2021 5:01 PM

You're a quantity over quality troll, aren't you, r247?

by Anonymousreply 248July 18, 2021 5:23 PM

Nope , just fully vaccinated and no longer need mask

by Anonymousreply 249July 18, 2021 5:40 PM

And yet, r249, these are your posts in the *LA County COVID cases soar to highest figure since March as Delta variant spreads* thread:

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I think it’s a bio weapon and these new variants are the real Mcoy

The vaccine won’t stop this

Vaccine was touted as the return to normalcy. This is BS

Why don’t people put pressure on black and Hispanic communities over their dismal vaccine rate?

I think the Chinese unleashed this new monster on us . Last year was an experiment.

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Not to mention posting about those blacks and browns who won't get vaccinated!

by Anonymousreply 250July 18, 2021 6:30 PM

Get the vaccine and we don’t have to worry r250 you stalker troll cunt

by Anonymousreply 251July 18, 2021 6:32 PM

I’ve grown rather more inclined to wear a mask than not. I feel exposed without it.

by Anonymousreply 252July 18, 2021 6:34 PM

You’re ugly that’s why

by Anonymousreply 253July 18, 2021 6:36 PM

Oh how your words wound, r251. I'm confused though. You tell me to get the vaccine, yet you also say the vaccine won't stop this. Which is it? For chrissakes, troll, pick a lane and stay in it.

by Anonymousreply 254July 18, 2021 6:40 PM

USA (back to) #1!

"The United States recorded 79,310 new cases of COVID-19 on Friday. The number is the highest in the world, exceeding recorded totals from Indonesia (54,000), the United Kingdom (51,949), and Brazil (45,591), and doubling that of India (38,079). The spiking case number matches the level hit in October 2020, a record at the time, though it would not remain so for long."

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by Anonymousreply 255July 18, 2021 6:44 PM

How many are sick though?

by Anonymousreply 256July 18, 2021 7:14 PM

R250 Batshit Crazy party of 1.

by Anonymousreply 257July 18, 2021 7:48 PM

Project much, r257?

by Anonymousreply 258July 18, 2021 7:50 PM

🎼 [italic] I'll Be Home (Alone) For Christmas

by Anonymousreply 259July 18, 2021 10:44 PM

🕺 [italic] I'll Have A Blue, Blue Covid Christmas

by Anonymousreply 260July 18, 2021 10:50 PM

[quote] "The United States recorded 79,310 new cases of COVID-19 on Friday. The number is the highest in the world....”

Seems as though we have been through this before.

[quote] The CDC announced this spring that people who are fully vaccinated can go without masks in most indoor settings, except when required by certain federal, state and local guidelines. [bold] Several health experts who spoke to The Washington Post disagreed that the CDC mask guidance is sufficient.

There is a miasma of information relating to Covid. This is especially pertinent as relating to the variant. When family and friends ask me questions, I attempt to distill it down to digestible bits:

1) We are, unfortunately, in the middle of a global pandemic. The “getting back to normal” is a misnomer, sadly. Our reference points have changed such that we are still in the midst of the pandemic before a “new normal” is established.

This means that seeing everyone out and about doing everything they did pre-pandemic is riskier.

2) We are likely in the throes of a 4th wave of Covid. Delta is much more aggressive than the original variant: much more infectious (look up some of the Australian contract tracing on this....very interesting stuff) and damaging to the human body.

3) The good news is, we have allies in the vaccines available. Most are effective against significant Covid disease and death. I am not being definitive here because the jury is still out on HOW effective they are. Data is coming in from everywhere and there are large variances in the efficacy for the variant viruses. Some would like to believe the vaccines are the magic bullet. But worldwide results do not bear this out.

Remember this is a NOVEL human virus. We are learning as we experience this in real time.

4) The less-than-ideal news is that there remains a paltry amount of information on vaxxed transmission. It does appear that vaxxed people can transmit the virus and develop breakthrough infections. How much remains to be seen. Some people would prefer to downplay breakthrough cases; however, anecdotally, we are seeing quite a few of them. Fortunately, only a limited number are severe (requiring intubation or resulting in death).

4) The biggest mystery involves what has become known in the media as Long Haul Covid. Data in medical circles is accumulating, but remember we are early into the pandemic for long-term understanding.

This could be the biggest player in terms of Covid effects, but is not generating a great deal of headlines or spoken of much....even here on DL.

We’re seeing the virus embed in tissues of patients months...,and over a year out with disturbing symptoms: cardiomyopathies, lung fibrosis, Parkinson’s and dementia in “younger” people who may not have even known they had the virus months ago.

tl;dr Avoid Covid. Even though it is annoying, tiresome and frustrating, hold on until the pandemic wanes...even for vaxxed folks, as it’s looking possibly like breakthrough infections could still embed Covid into human tissue and delayed/long haul Covid could be an issue later down the line.....and this is NOT something the US government/CDC (whether under Trump OR Biden) is addressing.

by Anonymousreply 261July 18, 2021 11:01 PM

Thanks for that balanced, reasonable perspective r261.

by Anonymousreply 262July 18, 2021 11:06 PM

Thank you r239. With all the talk of false equivalencies that truly is one.

Serious question though - why would a vax pass be more “unconstitutional” than a mask mandate? It’s a hell of a lot more efficient and incentivizes slash punishes the right people.

by Anonymousreply 263July 18, 2021 11:15 PM

Avoid viral load, Covid-in-bulk. It's like if a woman gets raped by one guy she probably won't get pregnant. But if she gets raped by 7 guys- she probably will.

by Anonymousreply 264July 18, 2021 11:16 PM

should I go visit my relatives in the UK before there is another lockdown? I usually visit around xmas time.

by Anonymousreply 265July 18, 2021 11:19 PM

[quote] Serious question though - why would a vax pass be more “unconstitutional” than a mask mandate?

Honestly, r263, I’m not even sure what the constitutional issue is with either unless it’s a States Rights issue.

by Anonymousreply 266July 18, 2021 11:21 PM

[quote] should I go visit my relatives in the UK before there is another lockdown? I usually visit around xmas time.

Isn’t there still a pretty strict quarantine protocol in the UK for people entering the country? If it’s still in place now, I can’t imagine it being relaxed before Christmas, so it depends from where you are coming before entering the UK.

by Anonymousreply 267July 18, 2021 11:23 PM

R261 They call the wind Miasma.

by Anonymousreply 268July 19, 2021 12:01 AM

R264

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by Anonymousreply 269July 19, 2021 12:02 AM

I'm convinced that Rumer Willis is paying off these LA politicians to keep mask mandates in place.

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by Anonymousreply 270July 19, 2021 1:28 AM

R263, false equivalency, my ass. The people not taking the variants seriously by proclaiming that they will never wear a mask again are the exact same as peope not taking original covid seriously by proclaiming they would never wear a mask at all. Their actions are exactly the same and so is the outcome. Unnecessary spread of a deadly virus for ignorant, selfish reasons. You could literally get the Trumpers and the "I'm never going to wear a mask again!" people to hold a shared rally and there'd be no way to tell them apart because they would both be unmasked and saying people wearing masks are the problem.

We better not ever have another world war because a year in the younger people of the world would get bored and leave.

by Anonymousreply 271July 19, 2021 1:43 AM

[quote] false equivalency, my ass. The people not taking the variants seriously by proclaiming that they will never wear a mask again are the exact same as peope not taking original covid seriously by proclaiming they would never wear a mask at all.

You don’t know what you’re talking about, R271. The fully vaccinated people who are resistant to wearing masks now weren’t the ones calling COVId a hoax at the beginning. The ones who called it a hoax are largely the ones who refuse the vaccine all together.

by Anonymousreply 272July 19, 2021 2:41 AM

Try some reading comprehension, R272. I didn't say they were the same people. I said the current anti-maskers concerning the spread of variants are acting like the old anti-maskers concerning original covid. They could hold a shared rally at this point because they've merged in their ignorance. We'll see if the new anti-maskers will get their masks back out when they are told to right around the end of August, early September. But, as of right now, they are indistinguishable.

by Anonymousreply 273July 19, 2021 2:46 AM

R267,they are lifting the lockdown tomorrow on July 19.

by Anonymousreply 274July 19, 2021 3:00 AM

Except, r273 we wouldn't catch the virus if we were at the rally with the trumptards because we understand science and even with the variants, our chances are extremely low. Sorry that you aren't that intelligent, but a basic understanding of science might help you to not live in such fear.

by Anonymousreply 275July 19, 2021 3:47 AM

Gym whores of LA - I have some good news for you! Though we might have hit a road bump, I called the gym. Steam room will be open, as the showers, and no masks will be needed. You will have to cover your mug on the gym floor, but all is not lost.

by Anonymousreply 276July 19, 2021 4:01 AM

[quote]Except, [R273] we wouldn't catch the virus if we were at the rally with the trumptards because we understand science and even with the variants, our chances are extremely low.

Except there is nowhere in the US that is tracking the Delta infection rate among the vaccinated, Mr. Science Genius. There is also zero information on long covid in asymptomatic Delta infections among the vaccinated, Mr. Science Genius. I actually have a biochem degree, Mr. Science Genius. What do you have?

You're going to have quite the little wakeup call some September. I look forward to your enlightenment. I've already seen the "I'll shall never mask again" contingent slowly quieting down in these threads. They finally figured out what's going on. You will, too.

by Anonymousreply 277July 19, 2021 5:50 AM

Tonight at midnight I'm going to walk down the hall to put the trash in the chute WITHOUT WEARING A MASK!!! Will thousands of people die?

by Anonymousreply 278July 19, 2021 6:26 AM

I am finally on prep and have done some hole stretching exercises over the last 2 weeks.. Is anal ok without a mask?

by Anonymousreply 279July 19, 2021 6:37 AM

[quote] they are lifting the lockdown tomorrow on July 19.

Right, 274; but my comment was about the quarantine protocols for people entering the UK from abroad, not the lockdown measures that have been in place for people currently in the UK. I believe the tiered quarantine protocols will remain, but do correct me if I’m wrong.

by Anonymousreply 280July 19, 2021 9:52 AM

[quote]I am finally on prep and have done some hole stretching exercises over the last 2 weeks.. Is anal ok without a mask?

Why don't you just fuck your big-dicked lawyer cum part-time actor husband.

by Anonymousreply 281July 19, 2021 10:04 AM

Being ill is annoying. Being hospitalized is an inconvenience. Dying alone without a goodbye to friends and family is a real drag! Wearing a face covering while in public requires no effort and doesn't even register as an inconvenience.

by Anonymousreply 282July 19, 2021 10:14 AM

"You're going to have quite the little wakeup call some September."

Oh do tell. What is going to happen in September?

by Anonymousreply 283July 19, 2021 10:16 AM

If the unvaccinated can infect the vaxxed than what was the point?

by Anonymousreply 284July 19, 2021 10:37 AM

the vaccines prevent serious illness requiring hospitalization and death! The vaccines do not prevent infection or passing the infection. Masks and social distancing do.

by Anonymousreply 285July 19, 2021 10:58 AM

[quote] The vaccines do not prevent infection or passing the infection.

Not 100%, but for most people so far, they do prevent infection.

by Anonymousreply 286July 19, 2021 11:04 AM

The new cases, announced late Sunday by the Texas House Democratic Caucus, are in addition to the three other state Democratic lawmakers on the trip who have already tested positive for COVID-19, the Texas Tribune reported.

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by Anonymousreply 287July 19, 2021 11:08 AM

[quote]Not 100%, but for most people so far, they do prevent infection.

We do not routinely test vaccinated people who feel well, so we have no way of knowing whether this is true.

by Anonymousreply 288July 19, 2021 11:10 AM

It can help everyone avoid gum infections.

by Anonymousreply 289July 19, 2021 11:11 AM

The right politicized masks and now the left is doing it. Going back to mask mandates and social distancing is not the answer. Getting the vaccine is the answer. At some point, life has to go on. Get the vaccine and just live your life, which includes the day to day risks that come with living your life. We can't stay locked away from each other forever.

by Anonymousreply 290July 19, 2021 11:27 AM

How exactly is the left politicizing masks, r290?

by Anonymousreply 291July 19, 2021 3:20 PM

[quote]How exactly is the left politicizing masks, [R290]?

By standing up for science and common sense rather than the superstition and paranoia that distinguishes today's GOP.

by Anonymousreply 292July 19, 2021 4:24 PM

[quote] Tonight at midnight I'm going to walk down the hall to put the trash in the chute WITHOUT WEARING A MASK!!!

You GO, gurl!

by Anonymousreply 293July 19, 2021 7:35 PM

People in LA should wear masks regardless. The air is disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 294July 19, 2021 7:44 PM

10,000 new infections a week.

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by Anonymousreply 295July 19, 2021 7:53 PM

99 percent of the cases come from the unvaccinated. So why should the vaccinated wear masks? Again, it’s a rule that makes no sense under the guise of looking like they’re trying to “do something.”

by Anonymousreply 296July 19, 2021 8:00 PM

1/10 of 1% of the population

The other 99.9% unaffected

by Anonymousreply 297July 19, 2021 8:05 PM

R296 the problem is that government responses to situations don't have to actually be effective at solving the problem, they just have to make it look like they're "doing something" in order to remain important. The public is easily fooled by government officials from all parties, sadly.

by Anonymousreply 298July 19, 2021 8:06 PM

[quote]99 percent of the cases come from the unvaccinated. So why should the vaccinated wear masks? Again, it’s a rule that makes no sense under the guise of looking like they’re trying to “do something.”

I'm vaxed and I'm reading of more and more cases of vaxed people getting infected and having mild symptoms. There is still so much we don't know about his fucker and I don't want it, I especially don't want long haul problems. It doesn't bother me to put a mask on when I go inside a store. My close friends are all vaxed and it is nice outside so we mostly hang out in backyards. In other words, it's not a big deal to me to take precautions.

by Anonymousreply 299July 19, 2021 8:14 PM

Perhaps the vaccine is fallible?

by Anonymousreply 300July 19, 2021 8:16 PM

I just restocked my masks, since it's back to the office for me in Sept. Though I'm vaxxed I'll mask up indoors, I don't want even a mild case of this shit.

by Anonymousreply 301July 19, 2021 8:19 PM

Here's the deal. As all the scientists rightfully said in the beginning, masks protect others from YOUR germs. This means that your mask is not going to protect you from the unvaccinated person who is going maskless, unless you yourself are vaccinated. Those of you who are going on about no colds or flu last year, it wasn't about the mask. It was about the world being locked down and the plexiglass barriers and the social distancing.

If you're vaccinated and are wearing a mask because you want to protect others from you, then God bless you. If you're wearing a mask because you think it's going to save you from the germs of the maskless, then you have fallen victim to a mass misinterpretation.

And for the record, I am not anti-mask. I wore my mask proudly last year to protect others from me as Fauci and all the others said. But the message has gotten twisted and it's giving a lot of you a false sense of security. There is only one thing that will protect you from dying from Covid and that's the shot.

by Anonymousreply 302July 19, 2021 8:49 PM

R302, the shot will be in effectual if these variants are not controlled.

by Anonymousreply 303July 19, 2021 8:52 PM

So what do you suggest R303? Locking down the world again and making the vaccine mandatory or instituting vaccine passports, which apparently we can't do for some silly reason.

by Anonymousreply 304July 19, 2021 8:56 PM

What a surprise:

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by Anonymousreply 305July 19, 2021 8:56 PM

I'm vaxed and I'm reading of more and more cases of vaxed people getting infected and having mild symptoms.

Except this is exactly what they said would happen so why does this worry you?

by Anonymousreply 306July 19, 2021 8:58 PM

And yet r303, you also post "I’m vaccinated. I’m not going to give in to fear". Which is it?

by Anonymousreply 307July 19, 2021 8:58 PM

The media spin is so confusing r307. I’m only human

by Anonymousreply 308July 19, 2021 9:01 PM

R302, it was always said that the masks did offer protection to the person wearing them—just not to the degree it did to others.

by Anonymousreply 309July 19, 2021 9:05 PM

I will unfortunately and begrudgingly go to the mask even though I am vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 310July 19, 2021 9:05 PM

I think you're more of a troll, r308. Some of your posts in this thread alone:

Get blacks to vaccinate

By September, another shit show . Covid 2

Then why mask mandates for the vaccinated?

R170,I got the vaccine for protection. Fuck your mask 😷

I’m vaccinated. I’m not going to give in to fear .

If it’s so dire, why is everything up and open?

Vaccine is not as potent as touted previously

Fuck masks

Nope , just fully vaccinated and no longer need mask

You’re ugly that’s why

Perhaps the vaccine is fallible?

R302, the shot will be in effectual if these variants are not controlled.

by Anonymousreply 311July 19, 2021 9:08 PM

To be fair, R306, the CDC claimed that breakthrough infections would be "rare." It doesn't seem that way -- and it's not just because the media wants to amp up the fear, I'm hearing lots of anecdotal reports in my own neighborhood and community, and Dr. Scott Gottlieb said on Face the Nation this weekend that the U.S. is only detecting 1 in 10 or 20 cases.

We don't really know if vaccinated people who get breakthrough Delta infections can transmit the virus, nor do we know if the vaccine will prevent long-haul effects in asymptomatic breakthrough cases.

by Anonymousreply 312July 19, 2021 9:09 PM

R311, is not only a pathetic stalker.. it’s a 🐑 💩

by Anonymousreply 313July 19, 2021 9:11 PM

Talk to Muriel, r313. I'd love to put you on Ignore and do so daily. Unfortunately you keep popping back. I'm sorry if exposing you as the troll you are takes all your fun away. And if pathetic is an adjective to be used here, I'm not the one it would be used to describe.

by Anonymousreply 314July 19, 2021 9:21 PM

Has no impact on me r314,except I do take great pleasure that I apparently irk you . Well, ha ha

by Anonymousreply 315July 19, 2021 9:29 PM

Not sure about other gyms in LA County, but Golds Gym SoCal is not enforcing the latest mask mandate.

by Anonymousreply 316July 19, 2021 10:29 PM

^Neither is 24 Hour Fitness - at least the one on Sunset in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 317July 19, 2021 11:26 PM

But I don't recall the CDC saying breakthrough cases would be rare in the vaccinated. I mean, yes we are hearing about them but out of how many fully vaxed? There are 1.01 BILLION people who have been vaccinated world wide and the cases have gone down significantly almost everywhere. That they are rising in the unvaccinated is a no brainer but the breakthrough cases don't seem that significant in the grand scheme of things. The people dying are the elderly in most cases. So if you're hearing about breakthrough cases it isn't counted if people aren't dying or hospitalized. And if they aren't sick enough to be hospitalized or dying, that means the vaccines work.

by Anonymousreply 318July 19, 2021 11:54 PM

[quote]But I don't recall the CDC saying breakthrough cases would be rare in the vaccinated.

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by Anonymousreply 319July 19, 2021 11:56 PM

So why the maske319?

by Anonymousreply 320July 19, 2021 11:58 PM

But NBC News found that many states continued to track all breakthrough infections, with 27 states reporting they have logged, in total, more than 65,000 cases.

That still represents just a tiny fraction of the more than 160 million fully vaccinated people in the U.S. And the vast majority of these breakthrough cases "tend to be milder," Dr. Jay Butler, head of the Covid-19 response at the CDC, said during a briefing with the Infectious Diseases Society of America last week. "Even if infection occurs, it reduces the risk of hospitalization."

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by Anonymousreply 321July 19, 2021 11:58 PM

76% of hospitalizations and deaths from breakthrough cases occurred in people over the age of 65. --Vox

Get the shot, people

by Anonymousreply 322July 19, 2021 11:59 PM

In other words, the breakthrough cases ARE RARE.

by Anonymousreply 323July 20, 2021 12:04 AM

0.040625% are breakthrough cases in the USA.

That's pretty rare.

by Anonymousreply 324July 20, 2021 12:06 AM

Reuters: The U.S. State Department and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) both issued on Monday their highest warnings against travel to the United Kingdom because of a rising number of COVID-19 cases in that country.

by Anonymousreply 325July 20, 2021 12:06 AM

New data:

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by Anonymousreply 326July 20, 2021 12:10 AM

Thank you for that, r326. Interesting numbers showing there is no reason to panic. I hope this makes some of you feel less afraid.

by Anonymousreply 327July 20, 2021 1:06 AM

Do the numbers in R326 represent a study done of the spread of the delta variant, which is more contagious and has now become the prevalent variant?

by Anonymousreply 328July 20, 2021 1:56 AM

No, R328, this study reviews cases from Dec. 2020 to March 2021, before the spread of Delta in the U.S.

by Anonymousreply 329July 20, 2021 2:00 AM

[quote]But NBC News found that many states continued to track all breakthrough infections, with 27 states reporting they have logged, in total, more than 65,000 cases.

Since most people with breakthrough infections feel completely fine, they’re not being tested unless their job requires routine checks. So even these states are picking up just a fraction of breakthroughs.

Sanjay Gupta just said on CNN that the Olympics might give us a better understanding of breakthroughs and whether those cases do indeed spread the virus because it’s a controlled environment and participants are being tested every day.

by Anonymousreply 330July 20, 2021 2:57 AM

Since most people with breakthrough infections feel completely fine, they’re not being tested unless their job requires routine checks.

Yes, and that's a good thing meaning that even if you get Covid, you will feel completely fine. I'm confused as to why this worries you?

by Anonymousreply 331July 20, 2021 3:46 AM

R331, even with asymptomatic cases, people have been getting long haul symptoms.

[quote]As all the scientists rightfully said in the beginning, masks protect others from YOUR germs.

Since the first thing you said is a lie, I'll disregard the rest of what you said, too.

To the person above who said that states are counting all breakthrough cases, do you have some links to back that up? Everything I've read is that they are only tracking breakthrough infections that result in hospitalization and death. That, even if the vaccinated person is sick enough to have symptoms and get tested, that positive test is not tracked or published. I think Delta is breaking through the vaccines at a huge rate but, since it isn't hospitalizing or killing tons of people, they are hiding that fact. I think that's one of the reasons LA county put the mask mandate back in place and why they can't really explain it. Every breakthrough case we've heard about is a very, very small portion of the total. And, Lambda is on its way.

by Anonymousreply 332July 20, 2021 3:58 AM

r332, the link with the info you asked for regarding the states tracking the breakthrough infections is in the post at r321

by Anonymousreply 333July 20, 2021 4:03 AM

And do you have a link showing that if you get Covid after being vaccinated that you can still have long haul symptoms?

by Anonymousreply 334July 20, 2021 4:04 AM

Watch the Surgeon General hem and haw about if Anderson should wear a facemask around his child. Not even he can give him a straight answer because they know asking the vaccinated to wear masks again is bullshit. He just says, "it's the right thing to do" but doesn't tell Anderson "Yes, you should."

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by Anonymousreply 335July 20, 2021 4:52 AM

Isn’t the guidance now in Ca that masks indoors are recommended but not required? It seems wishy washy.

by Anonymousreply 336July 20, 2021 5:06 AM

I think they are playing this all wrong. The reason for getting the vaccine, dealing with the anxiety/drama of actually getting it, and then suffering the side effects was to be protected and not to have to wear a mask. Also, people talk about LA like it is Trump country. It is not. It's minorities and people of color who are not getting it. Instead of targeting them, they mask everyone. They MAYBE had one more mask/quarantine up their sleeves that public would tolerate. Waste it now vs. a potential holiday surge like last year. They are also going against the advice of the CDC. I think this will discourage people from getting the vaccine and definitely will discourage boosters when the time comes. People from here can comment, but don't act like you know what's going on here.

by Anonymousreply 337July 20, 2021 5:07 AM

I think they should mandate vaccines. If you don’t get one you have to stay home, wear a mask outside. And wear a red Q in your shirt.

by Anonymousreply 338July 20, 2021 5:10 AM

LA County Sheriff Alex Villanueva will not be enforcing it. I've read from a number of business that employees are to remind customers once but then to let it drop. People discussed gyms upthread and yes, my gym is not mandating them. Everyone is mostly complying but there were a few not wearing them and it wasn't big deal. It was a big deal, however in December in an outdoor gym setting, so this is a loose mandate. If you are not going to enforce that what is the point to begin with. It's all stupid. Bay Area - you are next!

by Anonymousreply 339July 20, 2021 5:21 AM

[quote] If you don’t get one you have to stay home, wear a mask outside. And wear a red Q in your shirt.

Go down to south LA, find the many, many Q Anon supporters of color and tell them that. Again, LA is as blue as it gets. It's not the south or midwest.

by Anonymousreply 340July 20, 2021 5:23 AM

[quote] LA County Sheriff Alex Villanueva will not be enforcing it.

Sheriff Alex Villanueva is being subpoenaed for an investigation regarding his department.

Had some peripheral dealings with the guy (interviewed as witness to Tiger Woods crash.)

He seems very shady.

by Anonymousreply 341July 20, 2021 5:41 AM

[quote]76% of hospitalizations and deaths from breakthrough cases occurred in people over the age of 65.

Whew, thank god I'm 64.

by Anonymousreply 342July 20, 2021 5:57 AM

[quote] Thank you for that, [R326]. Interesting numbers showing there is no reason to panic. I hope this makes some of you feel less afraid.

No need for panic, R327. It never serves. What does serve is being mindful and aware of all of the information available to us.

Once again, that study is encouraging, but reading it fully and taking it all in, R329 wisely notes something that is quite significant:

[quote] ....this study reviews cases from Dec. 2020 to March 2021, BEFORE the spread of Delta in the U.S.

Delta is different: more aggressive. We don’t have good numbers (in the US) to know what is really happening between this variant and the vaccines.

As someone noted above, we will likely learn soon via the Olympics (which may act as a case study).....or if Covid (breakthrough) infections explode.....

by Anonymousreply 343July 20, 2021 6:09 AM

They need to cancel the stupid olympics already. It’s only going to set off a worldwide chain of infections. Pull the plug.

by Anonymousreply 344July 20, 2021 6:26 AM

[quote] And do you have a link showing that if you get Covid after being vaccinated that you can still have long haul symptoms.

I am unaware of any studies that are post-vax/breakthrough/long haul. Remember, by the very nature....this all takes time (get vaccine—->develop LONG haul sx——>collect data——>report data).

There may be some out there (hint: DL sleuths?!)

The only information I have is from some ID colleagues who have reportedly seen a few cases.

Again, time and experience will reveal all.

by Anonymousreply 345July 20, 2021 6:26 AM

Oh the irony. People are screaming at people who don't wear masks and acting like they're murdering millions of innocent victims. What about the 100 million idiots who have a very powerful tool available to them immediately at no cost that will stop the pandemic in its tracks? That tool is called VACCINE. It works. Get it or you're on your own. Done with the excuses and coddling you like some little victim. People who refuse to get vaccinated are responsible for this new wave of infection. They need to be held accountable for all the sickness and death they are willfully causing by their ignorance.

by Anonymousreply 346July 20, 2021 6:39 AM

If we've learned anything over the last year and a half, it's that we are reacting over and over instead of being proactive and it has cost us every single time. Proactively, we should have had a mask mandate in place nationally and we should have had a vaccine passport in order to get into public places but, instead, here we are. Delta, then Lambda, then the new Olympic variant, and on and on it goes.

Across the country, schools are going to return to fully in-person with masks OPTIONAL while Delta skyrockets. One of the reasons children didn't get infected or sick at the rates of adults was they had fewer active ACE2 receptors. So, even when the virus got in, it didn't have as many places to attach. Delta is much better at attaching so the advantage of fewer attachment sites in the young is lessened. So, at the height of Delta spread, they are going to throw thousands of children and young people into close quarters without requiring masks or distancing.

September will again be a very, very dark time. Thanksgiving and Christmas will be worse. And, that's if Delta is the worst we have to deal with, which, at the rate we're going, is not going to be the case.

by Anonymousreply 347July 20, 2021 6:40 AM

Not if people GET VACCINATED R347. Stop with the misinformation.

by Anonymousreply 348July 20, 2021 6:42 AM

R346, both groups are a bunch of assholes. Put on a mask and get a vaccine. Two simple things that will stop this in its tracks. People who won't do those two simple things are assholes.

by Anonymousreply 349July 20, 2021 6:42 AM

Everybody is afraid to point the finger at the communities of color. Instead they rather penalize everyone instead.

by Anonymousreply 350July 20, 2021 6:44 AM

R348, you do not know what you are talking about. Like I said, you're in the reactive group instead of the proactive group. When we've reached a place where community spread has stopped, then we can go maskless. Until then, it's not going to work. Children under 12 cannot even get vaccinated and probably won't all be able to until next year. Did you even bother to read what an ACE2 receptor is? You are as bad as the Trumpers.

by Anonymousreply 351July 20, 2021 6:46 AM

You are obviously the one who has no clue what he's talking about R351. And throwing out the Trumper name at anyone who has a different POV than you it pathetic and weak. Do better. And stop spreading misinformation when you don't know what you're even saying.

by Anonymousreply 352July 20, 2021 6:49 AM

Uh, community spread can be stopped in 2-4 weeks if people just GET VACCINATED. Why is that so hard to understand? People spend so much time reading endless fear porn that they have lost sight of reality.

by Anonymousreply 353July 20, 2021 6:51 AM

People who are not vaccinate need to quarantine at home until their vaccination appointments. They should not leave the house until then.

by Anonymousreply 354July 20, 2021 6:53 AM

So, R352, you tried to look up the effect of ACE2 receptors and the Delta variant on children going back to school without masks and it was too difficult so you just decided to blabber some more. Got it.

R353, but again, back in reality, these people are not getting vaccinated and are creating an endless number of new variants daily. The only way we'll know that a new variant has gotten past the vaccines is AFTER thousands upon thousands of vaccinated people start to get hospitalized and die. The children going back to school without vaccinations or masks required, will create the biggest variant petri dish in the world right in our own backyards. But, keep whining about wearing a mask on your face...just like the Trumpers. You are both denialists, you just deny different things.

by Anonymousreply 355July 20, 2021 6:59 AM

Sounds to me like you are a vaccine denialist R355. Guess what? They work. Stop pretending they don't. The current situation is 100% due to people not getting vaccinated, when they are widely available at no cost. Stop denying that truth. It is pathetic. You are sounding like a Trumper.

by Anonymousreply 356July 20, 2021 7:01 AM

R355 is just a nasty hateful troll. No surprise there. She has been exposed for what she is.

by Anonymousreply 357July 20, 2021 7:03 AM

I’ve had both vaccines, I will not go back to wearing a pointless mask.

by Anonymousreply 358July 20, 2021 7:11 AM

You have over 99.5 percent of surviving if you cath it as unvaccinated person. Close to 100 percent if vaccinated. The hysteria is out of control.

by Anonymousreply 359July 20, 2021 7:11 AM

[quote] Guess what? They work.

Not the poster you are replying to, R356.

Vaccines generally work. But, applying them as THE magic bullet may not be applicable in cases where variants take off and spread like wildfire.

Relying on them solely may only lead to heartbreak in a worldwide pandemic.

At this point...with the little we know about the developing Covid variants, it may be necessary to involve a multi-pronged approach to address the global pandemic: vaccines, treatments for the actual Covid variant viruses AND social distancing/aerosolized barriers.

No one thing may be enough to reduce the virus to manageable proportions.

And this is especially noteworthy because we have seen individuals (who despite becoming ill or seeing those around them ill), absolutely refuse to be vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 360July 20, 2021 7:13 AM

I've had both vaccines. I'll wear a mask when I have to because it's no big fucking deal

by Anonymousreply 361July 20, 2021 7:14 AM

I can't believe the new anti-maskers can't see how much they are acting like the old anti-maskers.

The US is going to explode in the next two months and you are on the wrong side, just like the Trumpers have been on the wrong side the whole time. Vaccines + masks + distancing is the only way this ends because your moronic brethren won't get vaccinated in the numbers required and the variants are only getting started.

by Anonymousreply 362July 20, 2021 7:19 AM

[quote]and the variants are only getting started. Stop posting bullshit fear porn drama. You don't even know what you're talking about. It's enough.

by Anonymousreply 363July 20, 2021 7:23 AM

[quote]and the variants are only getting started.

Stop posting bullshit fear porn drama. You don't even know what you're talking about. It's enough.

by Anonymousreply 364July 20, 2021 7:24 AM

[quote]Fauci described the nation's new reality as "really unfortunate, because what everybody wants in this country -- and elsewhere throughout the world -- is to be able to crush this outbreak in the sense of getting the level of vaccination so high that the virus has no place to go."

I trust Dr Fauci far more than any self-important posters on DL.

by Anonymousreply 365July 20, 2021 7:29 AM

[quote]You have over 99.5 percent of surviving if you cath it as unvaccinated person. Close to 100 percent if vaccinated. The hysteria is out of control.

What part of spreading it DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

by Anonymousreply 366July 20, 2021 8:19 AM

"When we've reached a place where community spread has stopped, then we can go maskless."

And then, when the masks come off, we're good for two weeks until the unvaccinated start catching it again. Rinse and repeat.

This is why we're pissed. All this is doing is prolonging the inevitable because the people not vaccinated now aren't going to go get it and when they start to get sick again, we're all supposed to do this shit again and again. Fuck them.

by Anonymousreply 367July 20, 2021 9:37 AM

R361 - and yet, we will still be in lockdown by fall at the latest because as R362 points out the world is full of either idiots of people too selfish to care. We have no AC, I have severe asthma, my roommate has massive hot flashes and we fucking hate the masks but wear them indoors (unless, of course, we are alone at a table with distancing), distance and are fully vaxxed. But I don't think most people ever will. Not anymore. Mask shaming may be the only way to go.

by Anonymousreply 368July 20, 2021 10:01 AM

[quote]No, [R328], this study reviews cases from Dec. 2020 to March 2021, before the spread of Delta in the U.S.

So that study in R326 is irrelevant now.

The poster(s) upthread who keeps harping on vaccination as the cure-all is ignoring the probability that delta "breaks through" the vaccine far more often than earlier variants. The vaccine prevents the worst effects, but my goal isn't just to stay out of the hospital, it's to avoid getting covid in the first place. I want to keep visiting with my elderly parents. My siblings want their kids (who are too young to get the shots) to be safe at school—again, not just safe from hospitalization, but safe from getting the virus and passing it on to others. I agree with R355, R362, R367, R368.

by Anonymousreply 369July 20, 2021 11:57 AM

R369 - yeah, we don't want it in the first place. Even if we don't end up in the hospital or die (which can happen despite the odds being low due to the vax), we don't want to have long-term effects that maybe we don't even know about yet. We want to keep travelling, visiting our elderly parents as well (who we haven't seen since 2019), and also, not infect others. Just saying you have the vax, so fuck it isn't relevant with this variant going around.

by Anonymousreply 370July 20, 2021 12:03 PM

These threads make me sad because of all of the misformation and fear.

I am not sure I understand why anyone thinks that new mask mandates are going to solve the problem of people who will not get the vaccine? It really does penalize the people who did everything correctly and it won't change behavior.

I remember the holidays last year, when the scientests were begging people to not travel home for Thanksgiving and Christmas and what happened... they still traveled. There were mask mandates and social distancing mandates in place and we got a post holiday spike.

I don't think we can federally mandate the vaccine until it's out of emergency use status. Red states have already said no to vaccine passports. I'm not sure why we haven't locked down foreign travel, but the genie is out of the bottle, so I guess that's too late. We can't stay locked-downed forever, so where does that leave us?

[quote]Go down to south LA, find the many, many Q Anon supporters of color and tell them that. Again, LA is as blue as it gets. It's not the south or midwest.

I think this is a solid point. LA has some kooks, but it's not overrun with Trumpers. So instead of focusing so much attention on idiot Trumpers who are going to continue to be idiots, maybe we need to turn some of the focus on our own and call out everyone who is refusing the vaccine and stop blaming some while making excuses for others.

by Anonymousreply 371July 20, 2021 12:56 PM

Does anyone know the answer to this?

If the FDA officially declared the vaccines 100% safe for use vs just emergency use, can't they force people to get it before being able to go to college/workplaces/public places? What's the hold up on the FDA side of things?

I am h a p p i l y vaccinated but I am seeing so many colleges/workplaces not making the vaccine a mandatory requirement because it is not "officially" FDA approved (like the MMR vaccines were).

by Anonymousreply 372July 20, 2021 1:06 PM

[quote]but I am seeing so many colleges/workplaces not making the vaccine a mandatory requirement because it is not "officially" FDA approved (like the MMR vaccines were).

I think they are just using this as a convenient excuse. Full approval is basically a paperwork issue at this point. People and places using this as an excuse now will find a new excuse once it is fully approved. The one place that it might make a difference is the military because they actually have regulations in place about it. As soon as the approval happens, everyone in the military will be ordered to get it. That'll take care of a bunch of the Trump hicks.

by Anonymousreply 373July 20, 2021 1:24 PM

r373 isn't just getting the military vaccinated enough motivation to push paperwork through? I would think it could get expedited..?

by Anonymousreply 374July 20, 2021 1:46 PM

This poll held at a steady 75% for the first several days. Then it dropped to 54/45% over the last several. Methinks the anti-masker trolls are bombing this poll.

by Anonymousreply 375July 20, 2021 1:53 PM

R374, I think they are highly aware of moving this through at a faster pace than the usual timeline because they know how that will be used politically. I had hoped they would have gotten it done at least a couple months before schools started because then school districts could mandate it like all other vaccines. This is all another result of TrumpCo. politicizing the virus. As it stands, I think the normal timeline puts full authorization sometime in September. It will coincide with the huge outbreak and, I predict (due to the way Delta attacks), the beginning of the deaths of children.

by Anonymousreply 376July 20, 2021 2:07 PM
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by Anonymousreply 377July 20, 2021 3:00 PM

[quote]Uh, community spread can be stopped in 2-4 weeks if people just GET VACCINATED. Why is that so hard to understand?

Why is it so hard to acknowledge that at least 30% of the U.S. population isn't going to get vaccinated unless they're compelled to by employer mandates and vaccine passports?

by Anonymousreply 378July 20, 2021 3:04 PM

Delta elbowing every other variant out of the way:

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by Anonymousreply 379July 20, 2021 3:06 PM

The vaccine is not the cure all

by Anonymousreply 380July 20, 2021 4:13 PM

[quote] is ignoring the probability that delta "breaks through" the vaccine far more often than earlier variants

This is not a probability.

[quote] The vaccine is not the cure all

Actually it is.

by Anonymousreply 381July 20, 2021 4:20 PM

The UK is infested with Delta - 50k cases a day at the moment. Deaths and hospitalisations have only moderately increased, however. Between 20-50 deaths a day for the whole country.

by Anonymousreply 382July 20, 2021 4:37 PM

Brits have been told that by September they'll need a vaccine passport with evidence of full vaccination to travel abroad or go into bars/clubs/venues and that has a lot of holdouts coming forward. You can't have a decent beach holiday in the UK. This probably won't deter the 'Never had a passport' crew in the US, though.

by Anonymousreply 383July 20, 2021 4:41 PM

[QUOTE] The US is going to explode in the next two months

Just like the UK has! Oh, wait. 50k Delta cases a day but deaths still below 50 a day and hospitalisation numbers barely rising.

by Anonymousreply 384July 20, 2021 4:48 PM

Lockdown soon

by Anonymousreply 385July 20, 2021 4:56 PM
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by Anonymousreply 386July 20, 2021 5:01 PM

How can we truly stop spread and mutations if other countries continue to get infected and travel is still happening? In my opinion, it's inevitable and mask mandates and lockdowns (good luck with getting that approved now with vaccines) aren't going to significantly improve the situation.

by Anonymousreply 387July 20, 2021 5:11 PM

After all this time, R384 still hasn't figured out that there is a delay between cases exploding and hospitalizations and deaths. Good thing 50 people dying a day from Delta doesn't matter to him. How many have to die each day for it to matter to you, R384?

by Anonymousreply 388July 20, 2021 6:41 PM

I'm not worried about catching Covid at this point since there is no evidence that if you catch it after being vaccinated you might have long haul symptoms. So if I get it, I stay home for two weeks and then life goes on. Do I want to catch it? Not really but I've had the flu twice in one year so being sick for a few weeks is not really that big of a deal. If I die, I die. It's not likely to happen, but it's a fact of life. Hell I could have died from having the flu but I didn't and every year now I get the flu shot. How many of you get your annual flu shots? The flu kills too.

by Anonymousreply 389July 20, 2021 7:28 PM

[quote]I'm not worried about catching Covid at this point since there is no evidence that if you catch it after being vaccinated you might have long haul symptoms.

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by Anonymousreply 390July 20, 2021 7:34 PM

Extremely rare, r 390

by Anonymousreply 391July 20, 2021 8:15 PM

R389 said "no evidence" not "extremely rare" so that's why I posted it, R391.

by Anonymousreply 392July 20, 2021 8:17 PM

That's it. I'm never leaving the house again because I might get struck by lightning! We never have thunderstorms here but it COULD happen! And even if the lightning strike doesn't kill me it cause long term harm to me! It happened once and someone died. So everyone should stay home for the rest of their lives so they don't get struck by lightning! Doesn't anyone care that someone died???? If you leave the house you might die!

by Anonymousreply 393July 20, 2021 8:23 PM

Step over here, r393...that's it...

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by Anonymousreply 394July 20, 2021 10:16 PM

Terrified Fox News Suddenly "Promoting" Vaccines

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by Anonymousreply 395July 20, 2021 11:23 PM

Breakthrough Infections Linked to Comorbidities

Because, duh.

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by Anonymousreply 396July 20, 2021 11:24 PM

80 percent of people continue to wear masks when required, the remaining 20 percent are cunts.

by Anonymousreply 397July 20, 2021 11:32 PM

Rep. Swalwell: Fox News LAUGHS at Their "Dumb" Viewers

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by Anonymousreply 398July 21, 2021 12:20 AM

Can someone post that reports about people getting mental illness after covid? Like 30 percent?

by Anonymousreply 399July 21, 2021 12:59 AM

[quote] Can someone post that reports about people getting mental illness after covid? Like 30 percent?

What happens to those who already have mental illness and subsequently catch COVId? Do they spontaneously combust?

by Anonymousreply 400July 21, 2021 1:00 AM

Was on the train today, many unmasked. In NYC.

by Anonymousreply 401July 21, 2021 1:03 AM

Can we be true Angelenos and pull the focus of this thread back to US!!!!! We are a in a blue city in a blue state, we (a lot of us) followed the letter of the law including skipping holidays during the winter surge, we were the first to implement a lockdown-ish quarantine along with SF in mid March, and now WE are the only ones in the country wearing masks. WTF? We do need to look within our own community and see why this is.

by Anonymousreply 402July 21, 2021 2:29 AM

I'm ready with the bleach enema when you're finished with her, R394.

by Anonymousreply 403July 21, 2021 2:32 AM

[quote] We do need to look within our own community and see why this is.

The answer is not politically correct.

by Anonymousreply 404July 21, 2021 12:48 PM

R402, LA County is full of blacks and Hispanics who are not getting vaccinated because of fear and superstition. It's also home to - and surrounded by - more closet brainwashed Trumpers than you would guess who are also not getting vaccinated..

There was, in fact, some insane Trump rally in Bevery Hills this weekend (II'm sure most participants were trucked in from the hinterlands) with ant-vaxxers waving signs.

by Anonymousreply 405July 21, 2021 4:52 PM

[quote] LA County is full of blacks and Hispanics who are not getting vaccinated because of fear and superstition

I didn’t understand why black people have been reluctant to get the vaccine until I found out about the Tuskegee Experiment. If I were black, I might be conflicted about getting a vaccine, too - especially given the extraordinary circumstances in which the vaccines were developed and approved. Even as a non-black person, reading about Tuskegee gives me pause…but I already got the jab, so que será será.

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by Anonymousreply 406July 22, 2021 1:08 AM

The Tuskegee Study was a study conducted upon subjects who were observed as their Syphllitic virus was not vaccinated against, and hence, their symptoms weren’t treated, abated, resolved or cured, R406.

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by Anonymousreply 407July 22, 2021 1:35 AM

The black resistance is real, per R405 and rightfully so. They are not jus being contrarians for the sake of it and a lot of hispanics, although I don't understand why for them. Maybe an influx of migrants or undocumented, although I think we are a sanctuary city. There are also a lot of break through cases. I have no clue what the real answer is.

by Anonymousreply 408July 22, 2021 2:08 AM

I am black and I think vaccine hesitancy is stupid and inexcusable. We have high rates of obesity, diabetes and other comorbidities running through our communities. In my opinion it is suicide for a black person not to get this vaccine, especially when it is based on the ancient nonsense of a bunch of dead white racists. Bad shit happened in the past, never forget it, but do not let it control every aspect of the present – especially when it has the potential of doing personal harm to you and the people you love. This drives me crazier than our insane devotion to the magical sky fairy.

by Anonymousreply 409July 22, 2021 2:27 AM

R362 you stupid lying bitch, talking about this “ending”. Goddamn liar!

by Anonymousreply 410July 22, 2021 3:22 AM

Ain't so sure bout the #clotshot honey..

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by Anonymousreply 411July 22, 2021 7:47 AM
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by Anonymousreply 412July 22, 2021 10:37 AM

[quote] There are also a lot of break through cases.

Define “a lot.”

by Anonymousreply 413July 22, 2021 8:12 PM

And "case" means someone tested positive. Not that they have symptoms or are sick.

by Anonymousreply 414July 23, 2021 4:53 AM

Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said the increase is normal given the continued rise in the number of people who are getting fully vaccinated.

She also stressed that fully vaccinated people who become infected generally have extremely mild cases -- a benefit the vaccines have always promised.

"Very few of them ended up hospitalized, and even smaller numbers ended up passing away,' Ferrer said. "So yes, if you are fully vaccinated you have a lot of protection, which is what the vaccines have always been best at -- protecting people from serious illness and death. And these vaccines, even with the Delta variant, are holding up really well.'

She said the fact that people who are fully vaccinated are still getting infected should not be viewed as the shots being ineffective, and should not be used as an excuse for people to avoid getting the shots.

"While seat belts don't prevent every bad thing that can happen during a car accident, they do provide excellent protection, so much so that we all use them routinely,' she said. "It wouldn't really make sense to not use a seat belt just because it doesn't prevent all injuries from car accidents. Rejecting a COVID vaccine because they don't offer 100% protection really ignores the powerful benefits we've experienced from those people who have gotten vaccinated."

by Anonymousreply 415July 23, 2021 4:56 AM

Obviously the vaccine is effective, but it's not as god as I thought it would be if we are having issues this early on. I thought we would get a little reprieve.

by Anonymousreply 416July 23, 2021 5:36 AM

What issues are we having? Unvaccinated are getting really sick, vaccinated are not or if they are they are getting mildly sick.

Vaccines work.

by Anonymousreply 417July 23, 2021 10:10 AM

R417 - anti-vaxxers are trolling all over today.

by Anonymousreply 418July 23, 2021 12:34 PM

Yeah, R418, they're threatened by the GOPers suddenly pushing the vaccines.

by Anonymousreply 419July 23, 2021 12:38 PM

In March, vaccinated people accounted for only 2% of all infections. In April that rose to 5%. In May, it was 11%. It stood at 20% in June — and is now likely higher.

“The Delta variant is a game-changer,” said Los Angeles County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said on Thursday.

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by Anonymousreply 420July 23, 2021 2:51 PM

Yes, but virtually all were asymptomatic or very mild symptoms.

If you’re going to spew statistics be sure to include all the relevancies.

by Anonymousreply 421July 23, 2021 3:37 PM

I think people that are Vaxxed feel that they have no risk to them . Time will tell . I’m vaccinated and wear masks indoors .

by Anonymousreply 422July 23, 2021 3:39 PM

if covid doesn't get you...maybe the plague will!-------

Girl, 10, dies from the plague as cases are confirmed in six Colorado counties

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by Anonymousreply 423July 23, 2021 3:40 PM

[quote] I’m vaccinated and wear masks indoors .

Do you wear it to bed too?

by Anonymousreply 424July 23, 2021 3:41 PM

[quote]In March, vaccinated people accounted for only 2% of all infections. In April that rose to 5%. In May, it was 11%. It stood at 20% in June — and is now likely higher.

While I have been on all these threads trying to get people to understand how horrible the Delta (and Lambda) variants are and that people should never have stopped wearing masks indoors when around other people, the reason for these numbers to look like they do is the number of people who have been vaccinated increasing. Almost no one was vaccinated in March. By June, large swaths of America (the blue swaths) were vaccinated at a high level. So you had the combination of a higher number of vaccinated plus those who were vaccinated taking more and more unnecessary risks during the same time that Delta was taking over.

Wear your stupid mask. You're going to have to soon anyway, so why not prevent yourself from getting Delta in the meantime.

by Anonymousreply 425July 23, 2021 6:57 PM

R422 I felt like that a few months ago. With Delta now… that sense of security has disappeared. I know I’m vaccinated and that protects but I’m CONCERNED again.

by Anonymousreply 426July 23, 2021 7:05 PM

There's a lot of good information and some great graphics on this page.

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by Anonymousreply 427July 23, 2021 8:19 PM

Getting "mildly" sick is the same interpretation as it was pre vaccine. Sick, not needing to go to the hospital, but it will still lay you out for a week or so. I don't know why acknowledging these facts makes people scream anit-vax. It shows that as much as we know, we don't really know. If they tell people that vaccines aren't as effective as they had hoped, nobody would get them. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more restrictions in LA, so enjoy them now.

by Anonymousreply 428July 24, 2021 3:01 AM

Expect indoor mask mandates nationwide in the upcoming weeks for BOTH vaccinated and unvaccinated people as the #DeltaVariant continues to run rampant across the country.

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by Anonymousreply 429July 27, 2021 12:28 PM

As of today, in the second least vaccinated country in the EU, only 12% of new COVID cases with the Delta variant are among the vaccinated. All in ICU, except a man of 56 with lung cancer in stage 4, are not vaccinated.

Any news from our Bulgarian DL-er?

by Anonymousreply 430July 27, 2021 2:12 PM

Vaccine is a layer of protection, not a cure

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by Anonymousreply 431July 28, 2021 12:26 AM

To hold our progress and stop the spread of the Delta variant, we need every American to get vaccinated and follow CDC guidelines.

Regardless of vaccination status, you should wear a mask in:

-Indoor, public settings in areas of substantial or high transmission

-All K-12 schools

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by Anonymousreply 432July 28, 2021 12:28 AM

I'm looking forward to wearing a mask for 8 hours at the New Bev this weekend

by Anonymousreply 433July 28, 2021 12:31 AM

Lockdowns by fall

by Anonymousreply 434July 28, 2021 12:45 AM

It's obvious now the feds knew telling Americans that continuing to wear masks is recommended as a layer of protection against covid would discourage infants who regard the vaccine as one stop shopping against the infection.

"I am like, fully vaccinated so like, I'm not like, wearing a mask ever again and you can't like make me so like, there".

by Anonymousreply 435July 28, 2021 1:11 AM

To maximize protection from the Delta variant and prevent possibly spreading it to others, wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission.

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by Anonymousreply 436July 28, 2021 1:35 AM

Cdc warns that covid is a few mutations away from evading the vaccines

by Anonymousreply 437July 28, 2021 2:35 AM

Source r437

by Anonymousreply 438July 28, 2021 2:51 AM

CDC: The coronavirus could be 'just a few mutations' away from evading vaccines

The coronavirus could be just a few mutations away from evading existing COVID-19 vaccines, according to the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"These vaccines operate really well in protecting us from severe disease and death, but the big concern is that the next variant that might emerge - just a few mutations potentially away - could potentially evade our vaccines," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a Tuesday press briefing.

She added, though that "right now, fortunately we are not there," since current COVID-19 vaccines "operate really well in protecting us from severe disease and death."

Coronavirus cases, fueled by the highly transmissible Delta variant, have been surging in the US and across the globe - largely among those who are unvaccinated. In the last month, the US's seven-day average of new daily cases has quintupled: from 11,887 on June 26 to 56,635 on Monday.

The CDC announced Tuesday that people infected with Delta - vaccinated or unvaccinated - have higher viral loads (meaning they carry greater amounts of virus) compared to other versions of coronavirus. That means even vaccinated people could pass the virus along to others similarly to how unvaccinated people do.

by Anonymousreply 439July 28, 2021 3:56 AM

"Lockdowns by fall"

By August, honey.

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by Anonymousreply 440July 28, 2021 4:13 AM

Oh well, another year down the tubes.

by Anonymousreply 441July 28, 2021 4:16 AM

Sad, isn’t it r 441?

by Anonymousreply 442July 28, 2021 4:27 AM

I'm vaccinated and I wear my mask indoors AND outdoors in crowed areas. YES OUTDOORS. I've been following the rules since the start and there has been 2 things ALWAYS popping up. Those are, slightly off info and jumping the gun. I have concerts outdoors in Sept. I'm not sure if I'm going at this point but clearly state and city gov haven't been to them in a very long time. And that goes for the CDC. Outdoor venues are crowed shoulder to shoulder. Yes, I'm keeping my mask. You are surrounded by people sometimes inches away. You dumb cunts can get it for all I care.

by Anonymousreply 443July 28, 2021 5:05 AM

there will be no lockdowns. You people hoping for this are pathetic. From this point forward, there is no going back to lockdowns.

It's not going to happen.

And honestly, we're all gonna die. It's the one fate we all share. Who cares if it happens now or later? I'm pretty much done with this life anyway. The human race is not worth saving and the American's reaction to Covid has proven that beyond a doubt.

by Anonymousreply 444July 28, 2021 5:16 AM

^^^^ Thanks Vlad!

by Anonymousreply 445July 28, 2021 5:20 AM

No lockdowns. No masks. No social distancing.

by Anonymousreply 446July 28, 2021 12:07 PM

"No lockdowns. No masks. No social distancing" = another 500k deaths by October (unless the deplorables get vaccinated).

by Anonymousreply 447July 28, 2021 12:14 PM

R444, no one - but NO ONE - is HOPING for lockdowns, but thanks for the tedious right-wing talking point.

by Anonymousreply 448July 28, 2021 3:11 PM

Lockdowns are inevitable at the point . The fall will be brutal

by Anonymousreply 449July 28, 2021 3:39 PM

so does that mean xmas will be canceled ?

by Anonymousreply 450July 28, 2021 3:46 PM

No Christmas for the unvaccinated deplorables!

by Anonymousreply 451July 28, 2021 3:47 PM

Over 25% of new COVID-19 cases in Los Angeles County are from fully vaccinated people.

Sorry for the fox cunt news link. It was just posted 15 min ago.

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by Anonymousreply 452July 28, 2021 6:55 PM

r452 cases do not mean hospitalization.

Once again, for the people in the back row, you can still get Covid if you are vaccinated. You likely will just need a few days to recover and you'll be fine. That was the entire point of the vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 453July 28, 2021 8:09 PM

If these statistics from LA are representative (and I have to assume they're undercounting the breakthrough cases, since most asymptomatic cases aren't tested), then the vaccine's resistance to the current virus is less than 75%. Certainly most vaccinated people won't get severe cases, but there are reasons not to want to get covid at all: for example, earlier this month when the delta surge started becoming obvious, I bailed on a European trip because you need a recent negative test to reenter the US. If I'd gotten even an asymptomatic case from some fellow tourist or whoever, I would have missed various things I need and want to do back home, while waiting in Italy for a negative resutl. And I believe the jury is still out on "long haul" cases.

So: keep wearing masks!

by Anonymousreply 454July 28, 2021 8:31 PM

The cases in LA will start dropping by next week since we are all masked up again. But once the cases go down and we take them off, they will go right back up because the people who were not vaccinated before are still not getting vaccinated. Taking the masks off and letting the unvaccinated get sick and die is the only solution because otherwise, this is just going to be an endless cycle of unmasking then masking again for as long as people don't want to get the shot.

by Anonymousreply 455July 28, 2021 10:02 PM

Masks are not that effective

by Anonymousreply 456July 28, 2021 11:03 PM

VaxFact: You should still get a #COVID19 vaccine even if you’ve already had COVID-19.

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by Anonymousreply 457July 29, 2021 12:22 AM

FOR ALL WHO READ I GOT COVID...I'm fully vaccinated so my symptoms were minor. Advil and Sudafed totally managed them.

Didn't miss a beat business wise (did 10 interviews on first day I got it).

All symptoms gone in three days. I feel totally fine now. GET THE DAMN VACCINATION!

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by Anonymousreply 458July 29, 2021 12:52 AM

Did he get the delta? What were his symptoms?

by Anonymousreply 459July 29, 2021 1:37 AM

Netflix becomes first major studio to require COVID vaccinations on all US productions

Netflix announced on Wednesday that it would be requiring proof of COVID vaccination for all working close to the actors on set - the first major studio to make the jab mandatory.

The ruling will apply to all working in 'Zone A', which means the actors and those who come in close proximity to them, Deadline reported.

Last week Hollywood unions and the major film studios met and agreed a new plan for limiting the interruptions caused by the pandemic, which gave producers 'the option to implement mandatory vaccination policies for casts and crew in Zone A on a production-by-production basis.'

Netflix decided to make the policy routine for all its U.S. productions.

In addition, shows and films already in production with Netflix may be able to continue on even if certain members of the production aren't vaccinated - although those exceptions are expected to be rare.

There have been calls from within the industry to expand the vaccination requirement beyond Zone A.

Sean Penn last week announced that he would not return to the set of the Watergate drama Gaslit, which he stars in alongside Julia Roberts, until the entire cast and crew were vaccinated.

NBCUniversal said they would insist on vaccinations for everyone in Zone A, but Penn said that that was not good enough, and the entire production team needed to be vaccinated.

The current status of filming was unclear. Penn reportedly had several weeks of filming to complete.

The Oscar-winning actor has offered to facilitate the vaccination effort, free of charge, through his relief agency, CORE.

The move comes amid rising concern about the spread of the Delta variant.

Los Angeles County on July 17 became the first in the nation to reimpose mask mandates. St Louis, Missouri and Savannah, Georgia have since followed suit. In Las Vegas, employees are being made once more to wear face masks, although guests will not have to.

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by Anonymousreply 460July 29, 2021 4:00 AM

Well, Kansas City, MO is mandating masks again starting Monday.

by Anonymousreply 461July 29, 2021 5:13 AM

I am totally expecting another shutdown. They will probably recommend everyone get a third shot. It’s unfortunate but clearly it’s not under control.

by Anonymousreply 462July 29, 2021 5:22 AM

Me too r462

by Anonymousreply 463July 29, 2021 5:27 AM

[quote] I am totally expecting another shutdown.

America will never tolerate that. They barely tolerate mask requirements.

by Anonymousreply 464July 29, 2021 9:54 AM

Who's "America," R464? I never stopped wearing masks indoors in stores etc. The people who "barely tolerate mask requirements" and complain about shutdowns are only the criminally responsible ignoramuses who keep this crisis going, not all of us in the country.

by Anonymousreply 465July 29, 2021 11:01 AM

More than 71% of the US population lives in a county where people should be wearing masks indoors

From CNN's Michael Nedelman and Deidre McPhillips

More than 71% of the US population — or nearly 237 million people — live in counties considered to have “high” or “substantial” Covid-19 transmission, according to a CNN analysis of data published Wednesday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Only 1% of the population — just 3.2 million people — live in areas with “low” transmission.

That means the latest mask CDC guidance, which advises even fully vaccinated people to mask up indoors in areas with "substantial" or "high transmission," would apply to more than seven in 10 Americans.

About 48% are in “high” transmission counties, and 23% are in counties with “substantial” transmission.

This is up from a week ago, when just over half — 50.5% — of Americans lived in counties that fell into either category. Two weeks ago, that number was even lower: 38.5%.

In early June, 2.4% of the population lived in a county with “high” Covid-19 transmission, and another 13% in areas with “substantial” transmission.

Meanwhile, Covid-19 cases in the US continue to rise. The country is now averaging 63,698 new each day, according to Johns Hopkins University — that’s a 59% increase over last week’s seven-day average.

According to the CDC, the US is experiencing an uptick in vaccinations. An average of 382,106 people are initiating vaccination each day, the agency's data shows. This is the highest it’s been in three weeks and a 35% increase over last week. At least 49.2% of the total US population is fully vaccinated.

Some more context on the data: The CDC considers a county to have “high” transmission if there have been 100 or more cases of Covid-19 per 100,000 residents in the past week, or a test positivity rate of 10% or higher during the same time frame. For “low” transmission, those numbers must be fewer than 10 new cases per 100,000 or a test positivity rate under 5%.

by Anonymousreply 466July 29, 2021 3:00 PM

*criminally IRresponsible*

by Anonymousreply 467July 29, 2021 3:02 PM

🇺🇸 will have no choice if this virus explodes .schools opening next month 😩

by Anonymousreply 468July 29, 2021 3:08 PM

We had 2500 cases yesterday. That's 0.025% of the LA population of 10 million and the majority of those are unvaccinated idiots.

By next Monday, that number will be lower. Why is everyone freaking out?

by Anonymousreply 469July 29, 2021 8:46 PM

Ok, we have 4 million people ( I was wrong above). Still that is 0.0625%.

I'm so not worried.

by Anonymousreply 470July 29, 2021 8:49 PM

Those 2500 per day (and it won't go down right away, because the recorded positives obviously lag behind infections) are going to clog up the hospitals and have other repercussions. Has everybody forgotten last year? Or are you magat idiots who keep insisting that covid was a minor issue and the real problem was the shutdowns?

by Anonymousreply 471July 29, 2021 9:41 PM

[quote] because the recorded positives obviously lag behind infections) are going to clog up the hospitals

You have absolutely no way to accurately predict that. Even at the height of infections last year when hospitals around the country were preparing to run above capacity, the fact is that very few actually had to do so.

Get your vax. Wear your mask. The sky is not falling.

by Anonymousreply 472July 29, 2021 9:46 PM

Testing positive does not = hospitalization.

by Anonymousreply 473July 29, 2021 9:54 PM

R469 is a trumpeter

by Anonymousreply 474July 29, 2021 9:57 PM

I do play the trumpet! And I was really good!

by Anonymousreply 475July 29, 2021 10:09 PM

More lockdowns, equals more stimulus $☺️

by Anonymousreply 476July 29, 2021 10:14 PM

[quote] More lockdowns, equals more stimulus $

I don’t know about more stimulus, but I do wonder if the government will end up stepping in again. At my company, we got a memo from HR today saying the government is no longer covering Covid leave, so if we catch COVID or need to quarantine due to exposure, we have to use sick time or take it unpaid. Shortly afterwards, one of our colleagues tested positive and was sent home and 12 more were asked to quarantine until they tested negative. Kind of scary, tbh.

by Anonymousreply 477July 29, 2021 10:22 PM

R477, that is scary. That kind of draconian shit will bring riots

by Anonymousreply 478July 29, 2021 10:43 PM

The government should no longer cover covid leave because at this point, if you're stupid enough to catch it because you're unvaccinated, that's on you. The employee who tested positive should also have the pay of the others he/she came into contact with deducted from their pay as well. There needs to be consequences at this point.

by Anonymousreply 479July 29, 2021 10:57 PM

[quote]You have absolutely no way to accurately predict that.

Maybe it won't happen in LA, but it's already happening in red counties. The people who didn't get vaxxed are also complacent bastards who refuse to wear masks, and the current virus is much more contagious than last year. Of course they'r egoing to clog up the hospitals in the lack of restrictions.

by Anonymousreply 480July 29, 2021 11:09 PM

[quote] Or are you magat idiots who keep insisting that covid was a minor issue and the real problem was the shutdowns?

This is a thread about LA. For the the millionth time, our problems do not stem from magats and Trumpers. Our problems come from POC and low educated immigrants commingled with high density housing. So fuck off because most everyone is trying to do the right thing and nobody is calling out who needs to be called out.

by Anonymousreply 481July 30, 2021 5:31 AM

R470

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by Anonymousreply 482July 30, 2021 6:12 AM

R464 Mask fatigue is not just an America problem it is world wide . Look at the protests in UK and Europe. Human beings are not amenable to lockdowns, isolation and social distancing. Distrust in elected officials handling of the pandemic is seen in every country. Why are you scolds surprised. Human nature is entirely predictable. No mystery at all.

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