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The Euros 2020 (actually 2021) Final: England vs Italy

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by Anonymousreply 539July 24, 2021 1:37 PM

Oh boy oh boy. I feel a little bit sick. It's going to be sad and awful if England loses. I don't know how it is for Italy but it just seems extra, extra important; so much build up and hope.

by Anonymousreply 1July 11, 2021 6:18 PM

I feel the same, r1, extremely nervous.

But they've made it this far, which makes it not impossible that this year might actually finally be The Year.

by Anonymousreply 2July 11, 2021 6:21 PM

Some kind of sporting event?

by Anonymousreply 3July 11, 2021 6:22 PM

The most important sporting event in the last 55 years, r3

by Anonymousreply 4July 11, 2021 6:23 PM

Well then, do keep us apprised.

by Anonymousreply 5July 11, 2021 6:24 PM

r1 I've gone into every game after Scotland expecting us to lose as its England and they've spent decades disappointing me. Which has made every win better and more surprising. Since Pessimism (and alcohol) has got me this far I might as well carry on. Its the hangover I'll have tomorrow that's worrying me.

by Anonymousreply 6July 11, 2021 6:25 PM

BBC going through all the failures of the past 5 decades. Painful.

by Anonymousreply 7July 11, 2021 6:26 PM

[quote][R1] I've gone into every game after Scotland expecting us to lose as its England and they've spent decades disappointing me. Which has made every win better and more surprising. Since Pessimism (and alcohol) has got me this far I might as well carry on. Its the hangover I'll have tomorrow that's worrying me.

Tournament stress rating

Croatia: 8

Scotland: 5

Czech Republic: 4

Germany: 10

Ukraine: 5

Denmark: 9

Italy: 7 (so far)

I'll be disappointed if England lose but I'll still feel incredibly proud. If England do lose I just hope it's not on penalties.

But either way, it's come home.

by Anonymousreply 8July 11, 2021 6:33 PM

Red Arrows flypast at 7:48 pm local time.

by Anonymousreply 9July 11, 2021 6:35 PM

This gives you some idea of just how long football has been played in England:

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by Anonymousreply 10July 11, 2021 6:39 PM

Looking forward to this game.... second most important football game of the weekend.

by Anonymousreply 11July 11, 2021 6:41 PM

It's coming home... and will likely be arrested.

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by Anonymousreply 12July 11, 2021 6:43 PM


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by Anonymousreply 13July 11, 2021 6:44 PM

I'm loving the steward in the video at R12 tripping the crowd members up. A centre half in the making.

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by Anonymousreply 15July 11, 2021 6:48 PM

England fans booing Italian national anthem... classy as always.

by Anonymousreply 16July 11, 2021 6:56 PM

Such a delicate little anthem, isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 17July 11, 2021 6:57 PM

The Italian fans are so good looking.

by Anonymousreply 18July 11, 2021 6:57 PM

Booing during another team's national anthem is a disgrace.

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by Anonymousreply 19July 11, 2021 6:57 PM

Kate made quite the transition from pink at Wimbledon this afternoon to Wembley tonight.

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by Anonymousreply 20July 11, 2021 6:59 PM

God Save the Queen.

I am nervous.

by Anonymousreply 21July 11, 2021 7:00 PM

I'm guessing 2-1 to Italy.

Why have the royals wheeled out George and not Charlotte?

by Anonymousreply 22July 11, 2021 7:01 PM

Kneelers seem to be ignored, which is a relief.

by Anonymousreply 23July 11, 2021 7:01 PM

Because George plays football and Charlotte plays field hockey, natch

by Anonymousreply 24July 11, 2021 7:02 PM

[quote] God Save the Queen. I am nervous.

No need to be nervous. She's, what, 95? She's been saved.

by Anonymousreply 25July 11, 2021 7:02 PM

[quote] Why have the royals wheeled out George and not Charlotte?

Because he'll be king.

by Anonymousreply 26July 11, 2021 7:03 PM

England score.

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by Anonymousreply 28July 11, 2021 7:04 PM

I can't believe it, what a stunning start from rumoured gaymo Luke Shaw too.

Shout out to the car in Pride colours, so good to see in such a macho sport like football now.

by Anonymousreply 29July 11, 2021 7:05 PM

Luke Shaw has very bouncy tits

by Anonymousreply 30July 11, 2021 7:05 PM

Useless iplayer on 30 second delay but my neighbors have a tv licence so their screams keep me apprised of the goals

by Anonymousreply 31July 11, 2021 7:06 PM

For R30:

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by Anonymousreply 32July 11, 2021 7:10 PM

Cheap bastard

by Anonymousreply 33July 11, 2021 7:10 PM

I'm no expert on this matter, but I really think we should try to kick the ball into their net thing again.

by Anonymousreply 34July 11, 2021 7:21 PM

For anyone who might be feeling horny tonight

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by Anonymousreply 35July 11, 2021 7:22 PM

An Italian on the floor who is genuinely injured? This truly is a remarkable tournament.

by Anonymousreply 36July 11, 2021 7:23 PM

Mr Mancini’s impeccable hairstyle is not enjoying the weather.

by Anonymousreply 37July 11, 2021 7:25 PM


by Anonymousreply 38July 11, 2021 7:27 PM

English fans should be ashamed at how much they’re booing when the Italians have possession of the ball.

The scenes from earlier are disgraceful. And they wonder why everyone else is supporting Italy. No sportsmanship whatsoever.

by Anonymousreply 39July 11, 2021 7:28 PM

[quote]English fans should be ashamed at how much they’re booing when the Italians have possession of the ball. The scenes from earlier are disgraceful. And they wonder why everyone else is supporting Italy. No sportsmanship whatsoever.

Go suck on a manky lemon Cariad.

by Anonymousreply 40July 11, 2021 7:31 PM

R39 You have to remember that the English are the most aggressive nation on the planet.

You didn't have an empire by being nice to people.

by Anonymousreply 41July 11, 2021 7:32 PM

I hope England wins.

by Anonymousreply 42July 11, 2021 7:32 PM

It's being held in ENGLAND, r39. It's called the "home team advantage" and it is completely typical in every country, all over the world.

And if you think for a nanosecond that were it held in Italy the Italians would not be doing the same - if not worse - I have several bridges to sell you in Brooklyn.

by Anonymousreply 43July 11, 2021 7:33 PM

R40 Cer i grafu, cont

by Anonymousreply 44July 11, 2021 7:34 PM

[quote][R39] You have to remember that the English are the most aggressive nation on the planet. You didn't have an empire by being nice to people.


So much bitterness here tonight.

[quote]And if you think for a nanosecond that were it held in Italy the Italians would not be doing the same - if not worse - I have several bridges to sell you in Brooklyn.

If the final was being held in Italy then there'd be monkey chants directed at Sterling, Phillips, Tripper and Walker every time they had possession.

by Anonymousreply 45July 11, 2021 7:36 PM

R43 no shit Sherlock, I’m aware that the final is being held in ENGLAND.

The way the fans are behaving is disgraceful, and you’re all a fucking embarrassment. Football really does bring out the dickhead in all of you cunts.

by Anonymousreply 46July 11, 2021 7:37 PM

Exactly, r45.

by Anonymousreply 47July 11, 2021 7:37 PM

Rydyn ni'n dal i garu'ch cymydog

by Anonymousreply 48July 11, 2021 7:37 PM

R39, fans booing when the opposing side has possession is a football staple, it happens even in club games.

by Anonymousreply 49July 11, 2021 7:38 PM

Oh look, a thick and bitter Welshman, blaming England for _________.


by Anonymousreply 50July 11, 2021 7:39 PM

[quote][R43] no shit Sherlock, I’m aware that the final is being held in ENGLAND. The way the fans are behaving is disgraceful, and you’re all a fucking embarrassment. Football really does bring out the dickhead in all of you cunts.

Have you ever been in Cardiff on a Saturday night after a Six Nations match?

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by Anonymousreply 51July 11, 2021 7:39 PM

Well that wasn't very nice. Mind you, they drive like that too.

by Anonymousreply 52July 11, 2021 7:41 PM

The Italians tonight

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by Anonymousreply 53July 11, 2021 7:42 PM

Wow. Thanks, Royal Albert Museum and R10!

England has been playing football only a few hundred years less than it (has) spent subjugating the Scots, Welsh and Irish.

That's a very, very long time, isn't it?

So much pride. One little sport left to pour it all into.

by Anonymousreply 54July 11, 2021 7:49 PM

Seems an awful shame they don't get to have a ball each. If they did, they wouldn't keep falling over each other.

by Anonymousreply 55July 11, 2021 7:51 PM

[quote]England has been playing football only a few hundred years less than it (has) spent subjugating the Scots, Welsh and Irish.

Dear Lord, what a sad little life Jane.

by Anonymousreply 56July 11, 2021 7:54 PM

I'm still feeling so nervous. Happy to be up 1-0 at half time. It would be nice to get another goal or two...

by Anonymousreply 57July 11, 2021 7:59 PM

I keep telling myself "All it takes is one more, All it takes is ONE more" r57

by Anonymousreply 58July 11, 2021 8:00 PM

C'mmon England!

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by Anonymousreply 60July 11, 2021 8:02 PM

[quote]I'm still feeling so nervous. Happy to be up 1-0 at half time. It would be nice to get another goal or two...

I still have flashbacks to England Portugal quarter final in 2004. Michael Owen scored in the 3rd minute, Portugal equalised in the 83rd minute. A goal each in extra time and England lost on penalties.

But that doesn't matter because guess what? IT'S COMING HOME!

by Anonymousreply 61July 11, 2021 8:05 PM

Italy were close to a goal at the end of the first. I feel a goal coming for them soon. First final where I'm genuinely ok with either of them winning.

by Anonymousreply 62July 11, 2021 8:06 PM

So long as we avoid bloody penalties!

by Anonymousreply 63July 11, 2021 8:06 PM

[quote]I still have flashbacks to England Portugal quarter final in 2004. Michael Owen scored in the 3rd minute, Portugal equalised in the 83rd minute. A goal each in extra time and England lost on penalties.

I mean to say I had that flashback during the Ukraine match. And look how that ended!

by Anonymousreply 64July 11, 2021 8:06 PM

England's white kit allows for more VPL.

by Anonymousreply 65July 11, 2021 8:09 PM

We're now going to find out which are the more powerful: The Catholics' prayers or the Protestants' prayers.

by Anonymousreply 66July 11, 2021 8:10 PM

Good no penalty call

by Anonymousreply 67July 11, 2021 8:12 PM

Some sexy Italian players

by Anonymousreply 68July 11, 2021 8:12 PM

laughing at the Italian fan in a pizza costume.

by Anonymousreply 69July 11, 2021 8:15 PM

Raheem's rolling was not required.

But as the Cranberries once said, everyone else is doing it so why can't we?

by Anonymousreply 70July 11, 2021 8:16 PM

R69 Lol

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by Anonymousreply 71July 11, 2021 8:17 PM

the refs have done a good job this entire tournament

by Anonymousreply 72July 11, 2021 8:18 PM

the problem with rolling is that if you don't do it, you typically don't get rewarded..

by Anonymousreply 73July 11, 2021 8:19 PM

R71, Italians are so funny about food, they HATE it if you do something they consider to be wrong. At least we can blame the Canadians for inventing pineapple on pizza (for real).

by Anonymousreply 74July 11, 2021 8:21 PM

Jordan Pickford always looks like he's desperate for the toilet and is worried that a little bit has leaked out.

by Anonymousreply 75July 11, 2021 8:22 PM

Italy playing handball and the refs say nothing.

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by Anonymousreply 79July 11, 2021 8:27 PM

I can't bear this I've started pacing the room

by Anonymousreply 80July 11, 2021 8:27 PM

Jordan just wet himself

by Anonymousreply 81July 11, 2021 8:28 PM

Ciao bambini!

by Anonymousreply 82July 11, 2021 8:28 PM

R80 Don't.

We've got extra time and penalties to come!

by Anonymousreply 83July 11, 2021 8:29 PM

London is going to be unbearable if England loses this

by Anonymousreply 84July 11, 2021 8:29 PM

Italy is bossing this match right now

by Anonymousreply 85July 11, 2021 8:30 PM

You're right r83, you're right.

by Anonymousreply 86July 11, 2021 8:31 PM

Pickford always looks like he's crapping his pants.

Hendo needed now

by Anonymousreply 87July 11, 2021 8:32 PM

Here he comes!

by Anonymousreply 88July 11, 2021 8:33 PM

[quote]Italy is bossing this match right now

Evvai, azzurri!

by Anonymousreply 89July 11, 2021 8:34 PM

Rice off?


by Anonymousreply 90July 11, 2021 8:35 PM

England is just hanging on at the moment

by Anonymousreply 91July 11, 2021 8:35 PM

I hope England wins - it needs something to cheer it up. Italy already has great food, good weather, beaches, nice clothes. They'll be fine if they lose.

by Anonymousreply 92July 11, 2021 8:35 PM

The ref is hot

by Anonymousreply 93July 11, 2021 8:38 PM

So is it in the rules that we now have to stay in our half so the other team get a turn?

by Anonymousreply 94July 11, 2021 8:39 PM

We need Hendo's leadership.

Maguire & Walker taking them up the field.

by Anonymousreply 95July 11, 2021 8:40 PM

Nice VPL from Chiesa as he was rolling around on the floor. Grazie!

by Anonymousreply 96July 11, 2021 8:41 PM

The Italian rolling around on the floor is hilarious.

He went from clutching his face to clutching his leg.

by Anonymousreply 97July 11, 2021 8:41 PM

I love watching the Italian players talking to each other with the stereotypical hand gestures

by Anonymousreply 98July 11, 2021 8:42 PM

When is Kate Moss or the Church of Scientology coming on?

by Anonymousreply 99July 11, 2021 8:42 PM

Im-ah sooooo-ah injured-ahhhh!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 100July 11, 2021 8:42 PM

The injured Italian can walk again! It's a miracle!

by Anonymousreply 101July 11, 2021 8:43 PM

England survived the initial post-goal Italian attack. Extra time?

by Anonymousreply 102July 11, 2021 8:45 PM

Ouch. Chiesa was the best player on the pitch.

by Anonymousreply 103July 11, 2021 8:46 PM

Looking that way

by Anonymousreply 104July 11, 2021 8:46 PM

[quote]The injured Italian can walk again! It's a miracle!

A short lived miracle but a miracle nonetheless.

by Anonymousreply 105July 11, 2021 8:46 PM

This going to penalties

by Anonymousreply 106July 11, 2021 8:46 PM

Italy just wants it more.

by Anonymousreply 107July 11, 2021 8:46 PM

IS there a protestor? I saw stewards running on the pitch.

by Anonymousreply 108July 11, 2021 8:47 PM

R98 - LOL - that was hilarious - how so many of them scrunched their shoulders and pinched their hands together. I expected one of them to do a chef's kiss.

by Anonymousreply 109July 11, 2021 8:47 PM

a streaker, I think

by Anonymousreply 110July 11, 2021 8:48 PM

Per favore, the dive diva of the night is Sterling.

by Anonymousreply 111July 11, 2021 8:52 PM

It doesn't feel like England are playing in front of a home crowd.

They need Delia Smith to get them motivated.

by Anonymousreply 112July 11, 2021 8:53 PM

They need to change the rules in football/soccer. These low-scoring or no scoring matches are not enjoyable.

It's like one slow edging session and half the time you don't come or NOBODY comes at all.

Add some other ways to score points. Like 5 points for a goal, 3 points if you hit the goal bar, 2 points if you headbutt it into some other goal.

by Anonymousreply 113July 11, 2021 8:53 PM

R113 = Florentino Pérez

by Anonymousreply 114July 11, 2021 8:56 PM

That bald thuggish Italian trying to pull the shirt of the back of the teenage black English player Saka has left me feeling very angry.

The Italians are getting increasingly dirty.

by Anonymousreply 115July 11, 2021 8:58 PM

Italy has been the best team outside of the first 10 minutes of the match. But anything can happen in extra time.

by Anonymousreply 116July 11, 2021 8:59 PM

R115 It was a tactical foul that any veteran player would have made in the circumstances 🙄

by Anonymousreply 117July 11, 2021 8:59 PM

I was mostly pulling for England today... but they've stunk up the game in the second half. Italian players looking so much more skilled. It'd be an injustice if Italy didn't win this thing.

by Anonymousreply 118July 11, 2021 8:59 PM

Italy have had 66% of possession and committed 69% of the fouls.

by Anonymousreply 119July 11, 2021 9:01 PM

Here we go!

C'mmon Jack!

by Anonymousreply 120July 11, 2021 9:02 PM

R119 sounds like England needs to get more physical and attacking

by Anonymousreply 121July 11, 2021 9:02 PM

[quote] 69% of the fouls.


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by Anonymousreply 123July 11, 2021 9:08 PM

Where's Grealish?

by Anonymousreply 124July 11, 2021 9:09 PM

Haha! Here he comes!

by Anonymousreply 125July 11, 2021 9:09 PM

England is doing a bit better in extra time than they did in the second half of regular time

by Anonymousreply 126July 11, 2021 9:12 PM

Made me chuckle

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by Anonymousreply 127July 11, 2021 9:12 PM

Prince George.

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by Anonymousreply 128July 11, 2021 9:13 PM

Them legs is fresh!

by Anonymousreply 129July 11, 2021 9:14 PM

Carlos Del Cerro Grande, the official holding the clock, is hot.

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by Anonymousreply 130July 11, 2021 9:16 PM

R130 I concur

by Anonymousreply 131July 11, 2021 9:17 PM

Italy is playing different now. not as much possession or short passes, more long passes and crosses.

by Anonymousreply 132July 11, 2021 9:18 PM

15 more minutes! 😬

by Anonymousreply 133July 11, 2021 9:20 PM

Some shit's going to go down in England tonight - no matter who wins. You can take that to the bank.

by Anonymousreply 134July 11, 2021 9:22 PM

I like Taylor Twellman as commentator

by Anonymousreply 135July 11, 2021 9:23 PM

[quote] I like Taylor Twellman as commentator


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by Anonymousreply 136July 11, 2021 9:25 PM

Is he commentating in the States?

by Anonymousreply 137July 11, 2021 9:26 PM

R137 Ian Darke and him are in the states

by Anonymousreply 138July 11, 2021 9:28 PM

England is feeling a late winner

by Anonymousreply 139July 11, 2021 9:28 PM

Our favorite himbo got his balls crushed

by Anonymousreply 140July 11, 2021 9:30 PM

Grealish in a bit of pain there

by Anonymousreply 141July 11, 2021 9:31 PM

Grealish lives another day!

by Anonymousreply 142July 11, 2021 9:31 PM

I won't hear how American football is slow compared to soccer. These guys rolling around the ground like Pentecostals and shrieking like demon possessed maniacs really drags the action.

by Anonymousreply 143July 11, 2021 9:31 PM

They're not wearing all that padding though.

by Anonymousreply 144July 11, 2021 9:33 PM

they don't need the padding since they miraculously recover after the emoting gives them a penalty kick

by Anonymousreply 145July 11, 2021 9:34 PM

Penalties here we come

by Anonymousreply 146July 11, 2021 9:34 PM

St Rashford coming on.

by Anonymousreply 147July 11, 2021 9:35 PM

Fucking hell. Let's just get this thing over with.

by Anonymousreply 148July 11, 2021 9:35 PM

This is some sort of soccer match no? What a bunch of suburban moms, to care so much about a children’s game :-/

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by Anonymousreply 150July 11, 2021 9:36 PM

Italy has totally changed after Chiesa left

by Anonymousreply 151July 11, 2021 9:37 PM

Seriously, I just turned this on. Which color is England wearing?

by Anonymousreply 152July 11, 2021 9:37 PM

R143 - it really is a head-scratcher how the rest of the world is obsessed with this low-scoring game with all of these dramatics over injuries.

Nothing comes close to its popularity (outside of the US/Canada). There are some other games - cricket, rugby, ice hockey - but for a lot of countries, this is it.

One sport - that's all. The rest of the sports have such less interest.

We Americans will never really understand it fully - although we've been trying the past 20 years.

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by Anonymousreply 154July 11, 2021 9:38 PM

For those complaining about Italy's dramatics/dives. Grealish acted like he needed knee surgery with that nonsense. Somehow he is able to play on.

by Anonymousreply 155July 11, 2021 9:38 PM

The reason football never took off in the States was because the US networks refused to air such long blocks of time without commercial breaks.

by Anonymousreply 156July 11, 2021 9:39 PM

[quote] We Americans will never really understand it fully - although we've been trying the past 20 years.

You have your answer right there.

by Anonymousreply 157July 11, 2021 9:40 PM

R153 If your a poor boy, with his mates, in the back streets of Sao Paulo, or Bangkok, or Johannesburg, then all you need is a football.

That's it's popularity.

by Anonymousreply 158July 11, 2021 9:41 PM

No results in 120 mins.

by Anonymousreply 159July 11, 2021 9:41 PM

Rose, Rose @ R152

by Anonymousreply 160July 11, 2021 9:41 PM

[quote] [R143] - it really is a head-scratcher how the rest of the world is obsessed with this low-scoring game with all of these dramatics over injuries.

Americans have reputations for short attention spans. Two 45 minute halves of a 90 minute match just won’t cut it for American viewers and advertisers.

by Anonymousreply 161July 11, 2021 9:41 PM

Kate naturally changed her outfit but Tammy didn’t.

by Anonymousreply 162July 11, 2021 9:42 PM

England just looked slow, tired, sluggish. Italy looked quick, smart, skilled. It'd be a shame for Italy not to win this now.

by Anonymousreply 163July 11, 2021 9:42 PM

I find Henderson, his face and sporty thinner body delicious.

by Anonymousreply 164July 11, 2021 9:43 PM

Whos the backup Italian keeper? He's hot!

by Anonymousreply 165July 11, 2021 9:43 PM

Looked like William was mansplaining about the football to Kate.

by Anonymousreply 166July 11, 2021 9:44 PM

R161 This is a comment from 20 years ago. America loves soccer now, understands it. This game was a slog, but not boring... for anyone.

by Anonymousreply 167July 11, 2021 9:44 PM

So it comes down to this.

Penalty shootout. England's favourite!

by Anonymousreply 168July 11, 2021 9:45 PM

Some of us Yanks are too smart to buy NFL, with its 75% commercials and talking and standing around. I'm watching it on ESPN+

by Anonymousreply 169July 11, 2021 9:46 PM

Any relation to Mary?

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by Anonymousreply 170July 11, 2021 9:46 PM

Those few steps to the place are longest those guys have ever walked.

by Anonymousreply 171July 11, 2021 9:46 PM

R155 - the soccer dramatics are constant. I can't think of any other sport where men act like this with an injury.

R157 - I understand that there is a low barrier of entry to PLAY football. But that doesn't explain its dominance over all other sports.

R167 - nah, it was still boring. And to be decided by a penalty shootout is ridiculous. This is what you get with low scoring sports - some ridiculous contest at the end that doesn't have much to do with the actual game.

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by Anonymousreply 173July 11, 2021 9:48 PM

Maguire was really nervous and then the relief!

by Anonymousreply 174July 11, 2021 9:49 PM

Fantastic game, whoever wins.

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by Anonymousreply 176July 11, 2021 9:50 PM

choke... overthinking it.... England.....

by Anonymousreply 177July 11, 2021 9:51 PM

Rash misses!

by Anonymousreply 178July 11, 2021 9:51 PM

See what happens when you get cute? He may have cost them the entire championship.


by Anonymousreply 179July 11, 2021 9:52 PM

The pressure was too much. Oh no.

by Anonymousreply 180July 11, 2021 9:52 PM

Jordino. Failure. So close. But he is so handsome.

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by Anonymousreply 182July 11, 2021 9:54 PM

Sad for England. But truly, Italy deserved the win.

by Anonymousreply 183July 11, 2021 9:54 PM

Yay! England and Penalties, together again. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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by Anonymousreply 185July 11, 2021 9:55 PM

Out on penalties again!

by Anonymousreply 186July 11, 2021 9:55 PM

Congratulations Italy.

Well done. Hard luck England.

by Anonymousreply 187July 11, 2021 9:55 PM

Italy deserved it but can't help but feel crushed for England fans.

by Anonymousreply 188July 11, 2021 9:55 PM

Jorginho, I love his face, I want kiss him touch him do every possible dirty things.

by Anonymousreply 189July 11, 2021 9:56 PM

BTW, best player for England.

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by Anonymousreply 190July 11, 2021 9:56 PM

Oh dear, there goes St. Gareth Southgate's seat in the Lords

by Anonymousreply 191July 11, 2021 9:56 PM

Il calcio ste tornendo e case!!

by Anonymousreply 192July 11, 2021 9:56 PM

yeah! Congrats Italy!!

by Anonymousreply 193July 11, 2021 9:57 PM

There's no shame in going out on penalties.

by Anonymousreply 194July 11, 2021 9:57 PM

Poor English players, poor Jack, Henderson, little George, all those fans there. But one day...

by Anonymousreply 195July 11, 2021 9:57 PM

R190 He looked sooooooooo sloooowwwww by the end of the game.

by Anonymousreply 196July 11, 2021 9:57 PM

Most of England best players didn't even take a penalty kick, instead it was 3 players off the bench just for the penalties. Where was Sterling or Shaw or Himbo?

by Anonymousreply 197July 11, 2021 9:57 PM

Italy has won 1968. Great soccer country like England but so few victories.

by Anonymousreply 198July 11, 2021 9:58 PM

R197 I agree, too much pressure in front of home audience. Mistake.

by Anonymousreply 199July 11, 2021 9:59 PM

Too much pressure on a 19 year old.

by Anonymousreply 200July 11, 2021 10:00 PM

I grew up in America with football. I now find it unwatchable. All the jingoistic salutes to "heroes" and games that require 4 hours to finish. I now much prefer soccer.

by Anonymousreply 201July 11, 2021 10:00 PM

Can you imagine the celebrations in Italy at the moment? Italy is full of soccer fanatics. Football is their life.

by Anonymousreply 202July 11, 2021 10:01 PM

Italian fans will be celebrating that the 3 blacks English players who took penalties didn’t score.

by Anonymousreply 203July 11, 2021 10:04 PM

Ha! Suck it baldy and anorexic.

Glad George will know disappointment early on.

by Anonymousreply 204July 11, 2021 10:04 PM

R201 I was just about to travel to LA before covid closed everything and I had a ticket to see your football. I don’t understand anything about it, but I wanted to see it. When it is safe to travel, then. I would also like to see Real Madrid vs. FC Barca and Juventus with Ronaldo in Italy. And my English fave Liverpool.

by Anonymousreply 205July 11, 2021 10:05 PM

R161 There are now 60 million Americans of Hispanic-Latin orgin and many of them love fútbol.

by Anonymousreply 206July 11, 2021 10:06 PM

Italy was a team. England were a bunch of individuals.

by Anonymousreply 207July 11, 2021 10:07 PM

Thoughts to Dawn at this difficult time.

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by Anonymousreply 208July 11, 2021 10:07 PM

The Mexican National team regularly sell out football stadiums here in the US.

by Anonymousreply 209July 11, 2021 10:08 PM

Big headline

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by Anonymousreply 210July 11, 2021 10:12 PM

Gutted. My heart is so broken.

Usually I’m club over country, and have been since I was a kid in the 1990s. But this England squad really felt special and different, endeared themselves—enough that I thought our luck would finally change and the wheel would turn.

by Anonymousreply 211July 11, 2021 10:13 PM

The guy who gave medals is a hot daddy!

by Anonymousreply 212July 11, 2021 10:15 PM

England's coach is a hot daddy too...

by Anonymousreply 213July 11, 2021 10:15 PM

Almost all the England players ripped their silver medals off as soon as they went on. (Henderson didn’t). And that’s why they didn’t deserve a gold one.

by Anonymousreply 214July 11, 2021 10:15 PM

England had the squad depth, and Southgate just so badly misused it.

It’s like he wanted us all to share the pain he’s carried for 25 years, so he had to recreate his old trauma. Absolute shitshow.

by Anonymousreply 215July 11, 2021 10:16 PM

they rigged this for England but England couldn't deliver...useless cunts!

That penalty by Rashford was fucking weak!!!

by Anonymousreply 216July 11, 2021 10:16 PM

Who wants to walk around advertising loser status?

by Anonymousreply 217July 11, 2021 10:17 PM

Did they, R214?

Wow, what a bunch of assholes.

by Anonymousreply 218July 11, 2021 10:19 PM

I'm loving the scenes on the pitch right now. Italians really show their love, the players are lying on top of each other, hugging etc.

Probably circle jerk later

by Anonymousreply 219July 11, 2021 10:19 PM

R214 I don’t blame the England players for feeling bitter, especially the XI. The starters played their hearts & guts out tonight, only to be horribly let down by poor last-minute panic decisions from a manager they trusted, and by critical mistakes from their teammates who just didn’t have their heads present in the game.

Rice’s tears, Mason’s snarl, and the shellshock on Pickford & Stonesy’s faces said it all.

by Anonymousreply 220July 11, 2021 10:20 PM



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by Anonymousreply 221July 11, 2021 10:21 PM

Evviva! Gli azzurri hanno vinto!

by Anonymousreply 222July 11, 2021 10:21 PM

England didn't deserve to be there, that was not a penalty the last game. It should have been Denmark.

This was the correct result.

by Anonymousreply 223July 11, 2021 10:21 PM

That must hurt for England. They never won this cup before and they came this close while hosting at their home country.

by Anonymousreply 224July 11, 2021 10:23 PM

Italy were prepare to do anything to win.

5 yellow cards

Stomping on Grealish.

Nearly ripping Sara’s head off.

England surrendered at half time.

by Anonymousreply 225July 11, 2021 10:23 PM

R223 we went over that as nauseum in the semis thread, so let’s not do that argument again. tl;dr it was a rectification for a few earlier pens not awarded to England because the ref missed them. End of.

by Anonymousreply 226July 11, 2021 10:25 PM

R220 Are you kidding? Talk about bad sportsmanship

by Anonymousreply 227July 11, 2021 10:25 PM

R225 given how ripped Jack’s enormous thighs are, getting cleated straight in the slut-gutters must have hurt something chronic.

by Anonymousreply 228July 11, 2021 10:26 PM


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by Anonymousreply 229July 11, 2021 10:26 PM

R227 I didn’t say Italy didn’t deserve the win, did I? They made mugs out of us in the second half, and they won those pens fair and square because we sent the wrong players up. No-one is disputing that.

That doesn’t change how heart-shattering this is for England, or how hard they worked to get this far. They’re allowed to be disappointed and feel hard done by.

by Anonymousreply 230July 11, 2021 10:28 PM

Given how much the 'modern' English person seems to hate their country, I'm sure there will be as much celebration in London tonight as there is in Rome.

by Anonymousreply 231July 11, 2021 10:30 PM

R225 the constant filthy grabs on Sterling wore him him down and got in his head, I think. You could see him getting more and more wound up and distracted all game.

by Anonymousreply 232July 11, 2021 10:30 PM

England had home field advantage...they had everything going for them...too bad, so sad!

I wonder if the covid numbers will sky rocket in UK. I hope they are not gonna lock down again! I want to visit during xmas!

by Anonymousreply 233July 11, 2021 10:31 PM

*snickers nastily*

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by Anonymousreply 234July 11, 2021 10:31 PM

R232, he should be used to that, it happens a lot in PL. the shirt pulling shit.

by Anonymousreply 235July 11, 2021 10:32 PM

Lineker & Lampsy sound so dejected doing punditry. You can hear the gloom in their voices and see how their postures have fallen.

by Anonymousreply 236July 11, 2021 10:33 PM

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😛 at R221.


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by Anonymousreply 238July 11, 2021 10:34 PM

I love super frank!

by Anonymousreply 239July 11, 2021 10:34 PM
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by Anonymousreply 240July 11, 2021 10:38 PM

R214 That was a really crappy move.

by Anonymousreply 241July 11, 2021 10:38 PM

Aw, Frank waxing philosophical on what makes a great coach.

by Anonymousreply 242July 11, 2021 10:39 PM

Yeah, after Brexit I've noticed I don't really give a fuck about Brits anymore. Even though three of my nieces are living there and one is about to marry a Brit guy. I was rooting for Italy throughout the game. Out of all European countries the UK is probably mentally closest to me besides my fellow Nordic countries but I'm just over all the fucking drama happening there.

I want to bang Donnarumma so bad right now.

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by Anonymousreply 243July 11, 2021 10:39 PM

Poor little George looked devastated. So did Kate - she looked like she was going to cry. William was stoic.

by Anonymousreply 244July 11, 2021 10:40 PM

R241, most of the losers do that. I've seen it in PL, CL, other leagues as well.

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by Anonymousreply 246July 11, 2021 10:43 PM

Southgate is about to get eviscerated by the press for a second time.

Oh, well, better him than some poor trembling teenager who wasn’t even warmed up didn’t want to have to take a pen in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 247July 11, 2021 10:44 PM

R221 Is Kate hungry?

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by Anonymousreply 249July 11, 2021 10:45 PM

well, he thought fresh legs etc...

by Anonymousreply 250July 11, 2021 10:48 PM

Cold, stiff legs, you mean.

by Anonymousreply 251July 11, 2021 10:49 PM

Isn’t she always, R248?

by Anonymousreply 252July 11, 2021 10:52 PM

R242 wouldn’t surprise me if Lampsy comes in as U17/U21 England coach sooner rather than later. He got that look and feel about him, and no matter how often he fucks up the British public generally forgive him a lot.

IMO Southgate will only last as long as this current squad, and given this performance that will probably mean less than ten years, and after that they’ll need a younger veteran player who has the public trust (regardless of patchy track record...).

Personally, I’d prefer someone like Terry or Gerrard or Rooney in the job, but I don’t think any of them would take it given their hyperfocus on becoming successful Prem managers.

by Anonymousreply 253July 11, 2021 10:53 PM

R235 at one point Raz basically got bodyslammed so hard the turf got a dent in it. This isn’t professional wrestling, fucksake.

by Anonymousreply 254July 11, 2021 10:55 PM

R216 if it really were rigged, England wouldn’t have lost. No-one’s taking that deal.

by Anonymousreply 255July 11, 2021 10:57 PM

They rigged it as far as they could, everything was there for the taking...but they couldn't do it. nobody to blame but themselves.

by Anonymousreply 256July 11, 2021 11:00 PM

R197 yes! I was begging for Shaw and then Grealish to take a kick after the Harrys. From their facial expressions, they both looked hungry and focused and sure. I’m confident they could have delivered. Hendo’s older head and experience would have helped take pressure off, too.

Kudos to the double Harrys for their scores, though. Maguire especially buried his kick, against all expectation—on paper it’s hard to believe he made it, where Rashford & Sancho didn’t.

by Anonymousreply 257July 11, 2021 11:02 PM

England has never beaten Italy...let that sink in.

by Anonymousreply 258July 11, 2021 11:06 PM

England is so competitive about EVERYTHING. All they've done is boast that they were going to win, "It's coming home". That is the stupidest fucking phrase. Then when they lost, people were CRYING

England is a bunch of bad losers. They're like trump

The players that "had the penalties (or whatever they call it) will get so much racial hatred directed at them. I expect their homes to get trashed and the players will have to hide out for a few weeks

by Anonymousreply 259July 11, 2021 11:08 PM

Yes, Sterling and Rashford has been racially abused in the past on social media. The main reason is the betting (my opinion).

by Anonymousreply 260July 11, 2021 11:11 PM

This hurts like 2018 didn’t. I’m so numb, the the wound is too fresh.

The shots of Saka crying his eyes out have proper done me. Poor lad has only just finished school, and was put up against men pushing 40 with teenaged kids of their own. The pressure on him tonight was more than any of us will likely ever experience. I will be going off on anyone I hear in my vicinity that gives him abuse, racial or otherwise.

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by Anonymousreply 261July 11, 2021 11:12 PM

R261, I know, poor kid. He will learn from this experience.

by Anonymousreply 262July 11, 2021 11:15 PM

R261 The manager should never have put him in that position

by Anonymousreply 263July 11, 2021 11:16 PM

I know. Southgate put Saka up at the wrong time for his strong suits, and now Saka wrongly feels he failed, when it was in fact Southgate's management and choices that failed.

Saka might not yet see that, but the rest of the country does.

by Anonymousreply 264July 11, 2021 11:16 PM

It was his first ever professional penalty attempt. insane management

by Anonymousreply 265July 11, 2021 11:22 PM

R265 competitive, not professional

by Anonymousreply 266July 11, 2021 11:22 PM

Thankfully it was Europeans who won the Euro cup and not a bunch of Africans.

by Anonymousreply 267July 11, 2021 11:23 PM

Letting kids take the last pens should be illegal. Letting last-minute subs take them shouldn’t be allowed, either. It’s so hard getting your head around how someone like Southgate allowed this to happen.

Kane should have taken the last penalty. He’s the Captain (somehow...), so arguably it was his responsibility. He’s the dedicated penalty taker, too. It’s such a stitch-up, and I’m so unbelievably disappointed for the team.

by Anonymousreply 268July 11, 2021 11:24 PM

R267 fuck off

by Anonymousreply 269July 11, 2021 11:26 PM

I seen cases where players were tired and missed the pens. it's a crap shoot.

by Anonymousreply 270July 11, 2021 11:30 PM

R269 Truth Hurts? It was the multi-culti worship that killed all of England’s chances tonight.

Thankfully engerlund got plenty of kneeling practice in, ‘cause it’s time to fucking kneel before you spaghetti overlords!

by Anonymousreply 271July 11, 2021 11:31 PM

Errr, no, r271.

Who to choose for the pens is a manager decision, based on the manager's wisdom regarding player strengths.

Southgate lost this match tonight. Not the Penalty kickers.

by Anonymousreply 272July 11, 2021 11:34 PM

Is Southgate from North?

by Anonymousreply 273July 11, 2021 11:35 PM

🇮🇹 🇮🇹 🇮🇹

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by Anonymousreply 274July 11, 2021 11:36 PM

R271 and all those French players from African backgrounds really cost France the World Cup. This has nothing to do with your weird issues about culture. It has to do with a badly mismanaged match.

by Anonymousreply 275July 11, 2021 11:37 PM

Ironic, R274:

[quote] Keith Woods is Chief Diversity Officer at NPR. He leads and supports NPR's efforts to bring greater diversity to its audience, content and staffing while creating a workplace where a diverse staff can grow and thrive.

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by Anonymousreply 276July 11, 2021 11:39 PM

Rashford looked like he’d never taken a penalty before.

by Anonymousreply 277July 11, 2021 11:40 PM

Med bvlls reign supreme.

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by Anonymousreply 278July 11, 2021 11:42 PM

What a truly fucking stupid sport.

2 boring hours and it ends in 1-1 tie

So fucking stupid.

by Anonymousreply 279July 11, 2021 11:44 PM

probably a good thing the North London teams don’t make the Champion’s League anymore, cuz the next time Chiellini walks down those streets…

by Anonymousreply 280July 11, 2021 11:45 PM

He kicks the shit out of some posho Arsenal cunts?

by Anonymousreply 281July 11, 2021 11:46 PM


sending u (((((vibes)))))

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by Anonymousreply 282July 11, 2021 11:48 PM

One of North London's specialties is being chockabloc with residents who hate Britain, and England in particular, r280.

The entire Italy team would not only be safe on the streets there but would likely be received with a ticker tape parade.

by Anonymousreply 283July 11, 2021 11:48 PM

'It's my fault and it TOTALLY rests on me': Gareth Southgate takes responsibility for choosing England penalty-takers after heartbreaking Euro 2020 final loss to Italy, with Bukayo Saka, Jadon Sancho and Marcus Rashford all missing

by Anonymousreply 284July 11, 2021 11:49 PM

check out this naked guy, shameless

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by Anonymousreply 285July 11, 2021 11:52 PM

R285 Damn, was it cold in England today?

by Anonymousreply 286July 11, 2021 11:54 PM

He's right, r284, and he should quit - tonight.

by Anonymousreply 287July 11, 2021 11:56 PM

Bonucci took down an armed robber with a punch, I don't think he's worried about walking the streets of London.

If you're England, in your first final in 55 years and playing at home in Wembley, do you want to take your chances with penalty kicks? With that pressure? How do hold your nerve against Italy--usually renown for being tough pragmatic footballers? Look at Cheallini against Spain, did he look bothered? Maybe England should have done a little more after the first 2 minutes.

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by Anonymousreply 288July 11, 2021 11:56 PM

R286 no, it was muggy and warm out, but overcast and shiteing it down as well, obviously. Pathetic fallacy, I suppose.

by Anonymousreply 289July 11, 2021 11:57 PM

Right then, bright side lads—somehow our little island team conceded just two goals in the entire tournament, plus our keeper actually saved a penalty in a final. That is a personal best in over a half-century.

by Anonymousreply 290July 12, 2021 12:01 AM

Rashford's penalty was poor.

by Anonymousreply 291July 12, 2021 12:02 AM

Let's hope Italy will find a striker for the World Cup. Immobile and Bellotti are so far below standard. Italy won a major tournament in spite of them. Imagine if they had a great striker.

by Anonymousreply 292July 12, 2021 12:02 AM

Considering that Luke Shaw almost threw in the towel five years ago, this is quite a comeback for him. Clubs will suddenly be very interested to talk to him.

by Anonymousreply 293July 12, 2021 12:04 AM

[quote] check out this naked guy, shameless

We did earlier in the thread.

by Anonymousreply 294July 12, 2021 12:04 AM

Southgate has got nothing to resign about.

If you'd said to any England supporter that we'd get to the final this year, then they probably wouldn't have believed you.

Southgate has got us further than most managers in years.

by Anonymousreply 295July 12, 2021 12:07 AM

Hilarious how during the punditry before kickoff, when the camera panned over the VIP boxes and one of the English pundits said “oh, there’s Becks, with his new best mate Tom Cruise”, Gary Neville immediately and insistently jumped in to cut him off and quickly remind the world that *he* was and is and always will be David Beckham’s best mate, ACTUALLY.

by Anonymousreply 296July 12, 2021 12:12 AM

There was and always will be more than a little ugliness from the English fans so I'm very, very glad the team lost.

by Anonymousreply 297July 12, 2021 12:19 AM

R297 statistics tells us that domestic abuse goes up by about 12-15% when England bottle big games. It shouldn’t happen, but it does and no-one’s figured out how to stop it yet (because you know, men can’t resist being shit and throwing their weight around at the slightest flimsy provocation).

But yeah, keep dreaming misogynist dreams..

by Anonymousreply 298July 12, 2021 12:23 AM

well tbf we never actually specified what year it was coming home

France NT lost the euro 2016 finals at home and won the world cup two years later. so.

by Anonymousreply 299July 12, 2021 12:24 AM

R279 when the whistle blows and its equalised neither team should have a chance to win by going into extra time or pens.

instead both should all stop playing then strip off completely and have an orgy on the pitch. its the pagan way, and the only natural end to a frustrating draw. gotta burn off that adrenaline and testosterone in a safe healthy and non-violent way!

pretty sure at least jack would have preferred a Italian train run on him than having to watch his little brothers choke and his dreams die in front of millions. actually even without the high stakes i think

by Anonymousreply 300July 12, 2021 12:31 AM

R299 it’s going to be in 2022 lol

by Anonymousreply 301July 12, 2021 12:31 AM

Given English racism, I'm sure there will be hooligan attacks on blacks for weeks. Fans trying to break into the stadium without tickets! Ha, ha. My partner remarked that the English fans, many of them, looked like the guys on Jan. 6. And taking off their medals--what an insult to the teams they beat to get to the finals. Thug move.

by Anonymousreply 302July 12, 2021 12:31 AM

God knows why Sterling and Shaw didn't take penalties.

by Anonymousreply 303July 12, 2021 12:44 AM

'One of North London's specialties is being chockabloc with residents who hate Britain, and England in particular, [R280].'

What the fuck are you talking about, Welp Troll? And Arsenal and Spurs are still in the premiership league.

by Anonymousreply 304July 12, 2021 12:47 AM

About ten months ago I moved reluctantly to Wales from England (long story), with mixed results. It’s ok and even quite nice in some respects, but also negative in others. While I count my blessings that I live in a safe and pleasant Welsh town, I miss England more than I thought I would.

However, I have to say a big plus of being out of England is no longer having to worry about hooliganism. Where I live now, no-one is remotely arsed about international or domestic football. Today, most of my neighbours and fellow locals (mixed English & Welsh, with a few Europeans) watched the tennis then had an early night. I live over the road from a pub that did not show the finals on their screens, and where there has been little to no drunken shithousing. It’s peaceful, and I have the luxury of just wallowing quietly in my lush rainy little bubble without threat or fear of violence and vandalism anywhere near me. For that, I feel very lucky.

My thoughts are with anyone from inner-city England today. Apparently there have already been a dozen reported stabbings. It’s hard to hear news like that.

by Anonymousreply 305July 12, 2021 12:50 AM

Well of course there are no English football fans or pubs in Wales, r305. Wales hate England more than Meghan Markle does.

Also, the "stabbings" to which you refer were an invention of the internet. The police have confirmed that there have been no football related stabbings as of yet.

The last people to be arrested for stabbing in the UK were arrested late yesterday, and this is who they stabbed and when. Nothing to do with football.

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by Anonymousreply 306July 12, 2021 1:25 AM

England didn't lose it. Three players on the team did.

by Anonymousreply 307July 12, 2021 1:37 AM

England didn't lose it. The England manager who CHOSE the three players on the team to do the penalty kicks did.

by Anonymousreply 308July 12, 2021 1:40 AM

Why didn’t they show the streaker? We’ve already seen nudity, violence and Class A drugs today, couldn’t we at least have some fun?

[quote]I’d prefer someone like Terry or Gerrard or Rooney in the job

Terry has too much baggage. Gerrard is a good call, IMO.

by Anonymousreply 309July 12, 2021 1:44 AM

The streaker wasn't naked.

by Anonymousreply 310July 12, 2021 1:50 AM

I'm now watching the USA play Haiti in the Gold Cup, and y'all are lucky with how good your teams play. The US looks like shit even when winning. LOL. Everything is frantic and sloppy, no rhythm to the game. I understand why it's not big here. It's hard to get excited about a sport when your national team makes it look so ugly.

by Anonymousreply 311July 12, 2021 1:52 AM

[quote] The streaker wasn't naked.

Ah, I feel better now. Thanks!

by Anonymousreply 312July 12, 2021 1:54 AM

A national team needs players with deep roots to the country. They are going to have more passion to win for the nation.

by Anonymousreply 313July 12, 2021 1:55 AM

that Italian GK is only 22, I thought he was older! He's currently a free agent! He's gonna be making big bucks!

by Anonymousreply 314July 12, 2021 1:56 AM

R314, Donnarumma already signed with PSG and yes, he's getting big bucks. All of it was done before the Euros.

by Anonymousreply 315July 12, 2021 2:00 AM

Are you saying that every member of the Italy team were born and bred Italians, r313? Because I am certain that cannot be true.

by Anonymousreply 316July 12, 2021 2:02 AM

one of them was born in Brazil! He missed a pen today. He plays for Chelsea

by Anonymousreply 317July 12, 2021 2:04 AM

Please enjoy some late-night eye candy courtesy of Daddy Mancini.

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by Anonymousreply 318July 12, 2021 2:07 AM

wow, he's in great shape.

by Anonymousreply 319July 12, 2021 2:12 AM

[quote] Please enjoy some late-night eye candy courtesy of Daddy Mancini.

Well that was unexpected.

by Anonymousreply 320July 12, 2021 2:13 AM

Many former players are still in great shape. except fat ronaldo.

by Anonymousreply 321July 12, 2021 2:13 AM

Gerrard as the next manager? I don't think so.

by Anonymousreply 322July 12, 2021 2:13 AM

R271 Oh, finally I understand why France is World Champion....

by Anonymousreply 323July 12, 2021 2:17 AM

^^also for R313. All those French players with long, white, connection to their country won the World Cup for France.

by Anonymousreply 324July 12, 2021 2:22 AM

[Quote]I’d prefer someone like Terry or Gerrard or Rooney in the job

I don't know about Gerrard, but aren't the other two reputed to be the thickest in the squad?

by Anonymousreply 325July 12, 2021 2:23 AM

[quote] aren't the other two reputed to be the thickest in the squad?

I certainly hope so!

by Anonymousreply 326July 12, 2021 2:24 AM

I think Super Frank is a possibility. He is super good at football and super smart! He took an IQ test and scored the highest or one of the highest...he did great in school.

by Anonymousreply 327July 12, 2021 2:35 AM

Lampard got sacked at Chelsea this season...and they went on to win the Champions League.

Don't understand the call for Terry or Rooney to manage England. Based on what managerial achievement? You think those two planks are an improvement on Southgate?

by Anonymousreply 328July 12, 2021 2:41 AM

[quote] .....well that stings

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by Anonymousreply 329July 12, 2021 2:51 AM

Who knew gays were so into soccerball?

by Anonymousreply 330July 12, 2021 3:36 AM

Divegrass, R330.

by Anonymousreply 331July 12, 2021 3:37 AM

R306, you are insufferable. You hate the rest of the world as much as Britain does. You wouldn't fit in anywhere else.

by Anonymousreply 332July 12, 2021 3:54 AM

There is a lot to love about soccer, you see a lot of penis outlines and they rip off their shirts at the end to exchange with others, you see many pictures of them in locker rooms in various states of undress...

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by Anonymousreply 334July 12, 2021 6:21 AM

Nah r283, we North Londoners love England and Britain. We're one of the best things about this country. We just hate pieces of racist shit like you.

by Anonymousreply 335July 12, 2021 8:59 AM

Uh huh, r335.

And let me guess - everybody you don't agree with is magically a "racist", right? Everyone who lives in the countryside is "racist" too, I imagine. Or an 'oik', and all so far beneath you and your enlightened ways, despite the fact you live in a grotty basement flat just so you can say you live near Islington.

I've met you a thousand, thousand times. You are just a carbon copy automatron, thinking, and doing and saying anything the Guardian tells you to, and believing yourself to be mentally and spiritually superior for it.

You're utterly typical, and predictable, and the worst thing of all: a bore.

by Anonymousreply 336July 12, 2021 9:11 AM

R325 Southgate is the best we’ve had in years and he’s not stupid—just overcautious, and too stubborn to listen to other input.

Rooney is fairly dim, yes, so perhaps we should take him off the potential England manager hopeful list. Owen & Joe Cole would be poor choices for the same reason. Wayne wasn’t ever terribly arsed about making anything happen for England, either.

Frank is a cool head who’s survived the crucible of management failure, plus he has a vendetta when it comes to internationals (that disallowed goal), but he’s a bit touchy, so it’s hard to say whether he’d be more determined to get us a cup or more cynical about it ever happening. I do want him to manage over the other suggestions, but I think like Gary Neville he’s been spooked by his first attempt with club management, and like Rio & Carra he’s got too comfy doing punditry.

The next manager needs Southgate’s composure and compassion for his players, only with more grit and obvious passion as well. That’s why Terry could be a fantastic choice; as taking aside his checkered past and his low education he is intelligent in a streetwise cunning sense, and having been a captain of great ferocity and emotional investment (remember his river of tears? And the way he used to scream up the pitch?) there’s no doubt he will want to make a cup happen. Unfortunately, I think the stain of past incidents mean he would be cancelled before he could park at St. George’s for the first day of training.

Stevie G. has the same type of will and nerve as Terry, with the added bonus that he’s a stoical type who doesn’t lose his head or bow to peer pressure as much as the aforementioned. Only caveat about Gerrard in the role, is that he’s a one-club man, and they tend to have trouble bleeding for England instead of their colour. Also, he’d end up picking a starting XI that all came from or played for Liverpool.

There’s few others I can think of from those 2000s squads who would fit well. Nev or Carra would bring the emotion, but they’re better as pundits and I think they know that. Same for Micah Richards & Sol Campbell. Smudger is far too nice, it would be Kev Keegan all over again with him. Crouchy & Phil Neville would be laughed out of the training facility, no-one takes them seriously. Carrick is too low-key, not far enough removed from the team (he only stopped playing for England in 2014), and he’s not a natural decision maker, plus he’s currently coaching a failing Man United side. Becks & Cashley can do one; if Terry can’t have the job, the. they’re not who we want representing either. Maybe Scott Parker would be a good shout, given his experience and his successes in management so far. Ledley King is currently doing very well as a coach at Spurs, but that isn’t the same as management of course.

An ultimate dream of mine would be for Stevie & Frank to manage the next great England squad (say 2027?) together. Imagine the angst? The banter? The dreamy homoromantism? That is the next redemption arc I want to see. It would make the rest of the country extremely nervous and critical, though.

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by Anonymousreply 337July 12, 2021 9:39 AM

The manager doesn't have to be English, r337.

by Anonymousreply 338July 12, 2021 9:45 AM

If Mou managed England next I’d lose my fucking mind. The memes, alone...

“They are going to keek you, they are going to beng you....”

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by Anonymousreply 339July 12, 2021 9:56 AM

R321 Ronaldo is a narcissistic creep, grooming his child to become a Mini-me through borderline abusive control of his life (intensive diet, exercise, hyperscheduling etc.). He’s also a cheating and selfish diva on the pitch, and a user of other people off it. He’s a horrible representative for Portugal, so I’m glad he’ll have to retire and go away soon.

by Anonymousreply 340July 12, 2021 10:02 AM

[Quote]Terry could be a fantastic choice; as taking aside his checkered past and his low education

How could someone so stupid in any sense in life survive on anything but having bit crazies perform for his stupid life stew? Is he still married to the Teri gimlet?

by Anonymousreply 341July 12, 2021 10:04 AM

do non-bandwagon Italy fans actually exist? this week i've only seen England fans and England haters cheering Italy by default...

anyway Grealish player of the tournament at the next World Cup. I’ve spoken it into existence now, can’t take it back 💁‍♀️

by Anonymousreply 342July 12, 2021 10:05 AM

[quote] Is he still married to the Teri gimlet?

Hahahahaha, love that!

They’re only together for the kids anyway, mate. John does well with bits on the side.

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by Anonymousreply 343July 12, 2021 10:13 AM

It was all so predictable...from "It's Coming Home" and "Our Boys" and "Genius Sir Gareth" to what we know to expect from the English. We watched you flip in real time to your default switch, as usual.

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by Anonymousreply 344July 12, 2021 11:09 AM

I'm glad Italy won, but I'm not sure quite what the apparent social media racism was, and the little I saw didn't look like it came from angry England fans (some cliche monkey emojis from fake accounts).

by Anonymousreply 345July 12, 2021 11:39 AM

[quote]when the camera panned over the VIP boxes and one of the English pundits said “oh, there’s Becks, with his new best mate Tom Cruise”

On the BBC when that clip popped up onscreen the commentator took it in, didn't miss a beat, then said '...A Few Good Men there...' then continued with the next phase. Nicely done indeed. That plus the England goal were the only good moments.

Didn't watch the penalties, I've seen that national nervous breakdown too many times. Grimly confirmed when I woke up today. It's not the despair I mind, it's the hope. Mary!

by Anonymousreply 346July 12, 2021 11:51 AM

So David Beckham is now a Scientologist, I gather from all that.

by Anonymousreply 347July 12, 2021 12:03 PM

Victoria would make a terrible clam. She might be a talent-free money-grubbing mantis, but she won’t be dictated to.

by Anonymousreply 348July 12, 2021 12:22 PM

All joking aside now, I have loved watching games with DL; making the obvious jokes, being heartless savage bloodthirsty wenches to each other, thirsting over idiot sluts like Grealish or Daddy coaches & refs, and just putting aside our club loyalties or our preferences for other sports and entertainment to have a good time in this hell year. I wouldn't have been as massively into this tournament if it weren’t for you lot, so thanks for making it more bearable and enjoyable.

by Anonymousreply 349July 12, 2021 12:33 PM

Vicky and her money would never be parted for Scientology, or anyone else for that matter.

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by Anonymousreply 351July 12, 2021 1:07 PM

Prince George reacting to the first goal.

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by Anonymousreply 352July 12, 2021 1:13 PM

Why is that kid wearing a tie?

by Anonymousreply 353July 12, 2021 1:27 PM

William ain't no Charles.

by Anonymousreply 354July 12, 2021 1:27 PM

What really needs explaining is why Southgate chose Sancho, Rashford and Saka for the penalties. Sancho and Rashford were bought on just before the end of extra time solely for the penalties. Rashford hadn't played a single game throughout the tournament. To bring him on (supposedly injured) just to shoot for a crucial penalty was bizarre. And then to choose a 19 year old for the crucial penalty that would mean win or lose the Euro cup was bizarre. All are very young guys. Aside from tipping the result to Italy, those misses must be crushing those guys.

I like Southgate and he's obviously improved the England team enormously, but that made no sense.

by Anonymousreply 355July 12, 2021 1:29 PM

Because it's the official England Euro 2020 tie, r353.

by Anonymousreply 356July 12, 2021 1:29 PM

Italian men are the hottest, so I'm glad they won.

by Anonymousreply 357July 12, 2021 1:33 PM

[quote]England didn't lose it. Three players on the team did.

Rubbish! This is why Americans shouldn't spout about a sport they don't understand. Two of those players are England's best penalty takers which is why Southgate subbed them in before the end of open play in anticipation of needing them for the kicks. They would've have proven their competence over their teammates in practice and would've been alerted beforehand that they would be needed if it came to spot kicks.


[quote]“I decided on the penalty takers based on what they’d done in training and nobody is on their own.

Also, Rashford and Sancho's penalty stats are impossible to ignore having gone something like 7/1 and 15/3 respectively. This just wasn't their day.

by Anonymousreply 358July 12, 2021 1:35 PM

R356, everyone knows that England will always lose the tie. The kid should have too.

by Anonymousreply 359July 12, 2021 1:35 PM

That George is giving me future tyrant vibes.

by Anonymousreply 360July 12, 2021 1:37 PM

George likes dressing up. He'll treasure his tie and you'll see it make a reappearance in the 2062 Euros final.

by Anonymousreply 361July 12, 2021 1:38 PM

[quote]The streaker wasn't naked.

Then surely they weren't technically a streaker?

by Anonymousreply 362July 12, 2021 1:40 PM

Also, the logic of pulling players from the bench to take penalties is due to fatigue of those on the field so the task requires fresh legs.

by Anonymousreply 363July 12, 2021 1:54 PM

R357 yeah alright, but England are the most homoerotic this year and most other years as well to be honest, so being a gay person you should have wanted them to lift the cup.

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by Anonymousreply 364July 12, 2021 1:59 PM

Poor stupid slattern Jack has made the predictably thick decision to go on Twitter and reply to trolls (didn’t think he could really read or type, so that’s a pleasant surprise).

He’s saying that he badly wanted a pen, but he couldn’t and wouldn’t argue with the gaffer. We know, babes, we know.

Surely wading into this is against the advice of the England PR/HR team, and UEFA, and the rest of the squad, and Dean Smith...

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by Anonymousreply 365July 12, 2021 2:12 PM

he's thick as a brick

by Anonymousreply 366July 12, 2021 2:15 PM

In the first half, Hendo knew there something seriously wrong about the way Sterling in particular was getting targeted. The second he came on, he walked right up to Donnarumma and started warning him and getting him to back off.

That says to me he should have been the England Captain this year, and should be next year if he stays on and gets picked again (which he will, I hope).

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by Anonymousreply 367July 12, 2021 2:25 PM

God r367, what a dumb, dumb.

by Anonymousreply 368July 12, 2021 2:46 PM

Sad to think that, as well as Henderson we could also lose Walker & Trippier from the squad by the next Euros (Germany 2024), due to age. They both acquitted themselves wonderfully in this year’s competition. Luckily, though, the youth and depth of the whole squad means we have plenty of excellent replacements for both. Let’s hope the older heads train up the younger heads properly, the way the likes of Henderson was trained by the Golden Generation.

Anticipate Fabian Delph, Tom Heaton, Danny Rose & Callum Wilson quietly dropping off the England call-ups list in the next three-to-five years, as well. Perhaps Conor Coady & Jesse Lingard too, if they aren’t called up again for the World Cup.

by Anonymousreply 369July 12, 2021 2:55 PM

R364 Shaw is a chunky monkey.... he'd going be fat and slovenly within minutes of retiring.

Speaking of retiring... England supposedly is "young and upcoming" while Italy is old and drifting into history (like Belgium). Given that Argentina showed Brazil is not superhuman after all, England fans should redirect their passion to the World Cup next year. Italy doesn't really have a striker, so I think their performance this year won't be matched next year. France, Brazil, Argentina, Spain and England should be favorites for the WC

by Anonymousreply 370July 12, 2021 3:04 PM

On more important matters did Pickford's arse used to be bigger? I remember it being one of the highlights of the last world cup but it seemed less impressive this tournament.

by Anonymousreply 371July 12, 2021 3:29 PM

How well will teams fare playing in the desert at high heat? I think a few might come close to dying...

by Anonymousreply 372July 12, 2021 3:31 PM

R372 Well, it'd happening in December, not summer, so it'll be 118 degrees, not 125.

by Anonymousreply 373July 12, 2021 3:36 PM

R371 Well, he did need to lose weight.

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by Anonymousreply 374July 12, 2021 3:40 PM

I wonder why the libs haven't started to call for WC to be cancelled? Thousands of slave workers died building those fucking stadiums. So much for football being about "passion".

by Anonymousreply 375July 12, 2021 3:45 PM

r374 He did. But at what cost?

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by Anonymousreply 376July 12, 2021 3:48 PM

I agree, putting that kind of pressure on a teenager for that last pen was insane. he might need to see a shrink after that.

by Anonymousreply 377July 12, 2021 3:53 PM

Southgate wants to be in charge for Qatar

by Anonymousreply 378July 12, 2021 3:53 PM

If they sack Southgate before the WC... they are insane. England out-performed every logical expectation.

by Anonymousreply 379July 12, 2021 3:59 PM

r378 I'd let him. He's done pretty well with the team so far (lucky draws have helped admittedly). I think fans have to accept he's not "the one" and I doubt we'll do brilliant in the WC but he's got the team into a good place and there's no point desperately searching for a new manager then all the upheaval following that in the years run up to your biggest competition.

by Anonymousreply 380July 12, 2021 4:02 PM

R374 oh, that’s coz I got Picksy on the hot yoga during Spring training. Sweat his ginger balls off and moaned the whole time, he did, but it worked a treat and he passed physicals like a dream. Good, eh?

He’s got way more shag-stamina now, as well, so that’s a tidy bonus. It were a bit too depressing to have a tumble last night, and it’s harder to get together during club season, so we’ll have to really go for it the next six weeks. Got to look on the bright side, haven’t you?

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by Anonymousreply 381July 12, 2021 4:04 PM

It's a draw r359, not a tie.

by Anonymousreply 382July 12, 2021 4:04 PM

The front page of DailyMail today. Seem their editor speak datalounge.

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by Anonymousreply 383July 12, 2021 4:05 PM

yes, the Italian men were definitely hotter than the other teams.

by Anonymousreply 384July 12, 2021 4:12 PM

They love to kiss

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by Anonymousreply 385July 12, 2021 4:13 PM

New footage shows Gareth Southgate chose Jordan Pickford and Kalvin Phillips for England's next penalties after Bukayo Saka... so where were Jack Grealish and Raheem Sterling on shootout list?

by Anonymousreply 386July 12, 2021 4:14 PM

R386 judging by Jack’s reaction, I’d wonder whether he was on the list at all. Gareth is the only person in the land who doesn’t rate Jack—in fact, going by the minutes Jack actually got in this Euros, I’d even venture to say that Gareth doesn’t like him.

It wouldn’t be a shock that the plain and unassuming and unremarkable if capable man and former player—who was scapegoated for decades, always had to fight desperately for a chance to play, and bottled every one—can’t stand the beautiful charismatic golden child who doesn’t have to try to create magical plays and coasts through his brainless life doing whatever he wants without repercussion.

by Anonymousreply 387July 12, 2021 4:23 PM

@ R387, a not implausible dynamic, which Jack's tone-deaf message today wouldn't undermine. But I can't see Gareth sacrificing the chance for desperate national glory due to a petty resentment. He's surely bigger than that.

Nonetheless it's Southgate and penalties, fucking penalties, which yet again are the crux of debate today. The P-word will haunt him till his last. He might as well wear it as a scarlet letter.

by Anonymousreply 388July 12, 2021 5:30 PM

I was wondering why I suddenly saw tons of Italian flags go up

by Anonymousreply 389July 12, 2021 5:32 PM

[quote] Jack's tone-deaf message today

Surely he’s allowed to defend himself?

by Anonymousreply 390July 12, 2021 5:40 PM

Well, you can't blame Mick jagger for jinxing the team this time...

by Anonymousreply 391July 12, 2021 5:57 PM

Most of my teams this year went down in defeat. But that's sports--if not for all the random stuff that can happen, like injuries, mistakes, fouls, chokes, etc., what would be the point of watching? There's always next season. The only thing that can't be remedied is extremely bad sportsmanship, which should make all players in all sports think very carefully before matches about their reactions to victory/defeat.

by Anonymousreply 392July 12, 2021 6:25 PM

Pickford looked as though the defeat was causing him physical pain.

by Anonymousreply 393July 12, 2021 6:32 PM

r393 I think he normally focuses his inner misery at a goal or near goal by screaming at the defensive lineup like a Visigoth with an ingrowing toenail. You can't really do that with penalties.

by Anonymousreply 394July 12, 2021 6:51 PM

R393 watch him keep for Everton, man always looks like that. Just furious all day long, on the verge of setting about his own players because he had to get muddy. His stroke risk level must be through the roof.

Goalies in general are highly-strung animal, though. Like anyone else, they prefer not to actually do their job, but also like a lazy, low-stress life because that means their defense is solid and the rest of the team are keeping the sheet clean. If Jordan having to rage and put the scare into Stones & Walks & Maguire, there’s probably a legitimate reason (well, perhaps not with Stonesy, those two just go at each other for fun, like a divorced couple who are still in love).

Picksy’s mile-long balls, wayward kicks and dodgy punches & throws are what’s truly concerning about his game. With them, it’s like he’s telling the rest of the team, “I’ll just try and boot it all the way up and score for youse as well, shall I?” Not a good look.

by Anonymousreply 395July 12, 2021 6:54 PM

Poor Kate. You know she couldn’t wait to swan on down to the podium and hand out medals to the victorious England team. Maybe next time, Duchess.

by Anonymousreply 396July 12, 2021 7:19 PM

She had to hand out the trophies?????

Too delicious 🤣😂

by Anonymousreply 397July 12, 2021 7:44 PM

R375 many of us longtime football fans are beginning to boycott international and domestic football. When it comes to blatant slaving & trafficking, bypassing international law, stealing from the public and essentially lobbying, there’s a big cancerous problem that cannot be ignored any longer.

Much as it breaks my heart, I’m not actively supporting any Prem teams or paying to watch/stream any games next season, because I’m sick of all the disgusting unethical money-grab horseshit—which has been going on all my life, but used to be at least subtle and easier to stomach. I take full responsibility for buying into it, but I see now at what cost that has come. Up to now I have always supported a non-league club as well as a PL team, but from here I’m just going all in with non-league. It’s just a drop in the ocean, but perhaps if there are enough drops...you never know.

Truly I believe we are now at peak corruption. The debacle over Super League back in the Spring awoke a sleeping dragon, thousands upon thousands of disgruntled grassroots fan who miss feeling like their game was something to be proud of and cheer for without a crushing weight of guilt. There’s also a massive contingent of fans who feel anger on a financial level, that they’ve been gentrified and priced out of something they considered a cultural home and sold down the river.

Not to abuse the watery metaphors, but there’s a big sea change coming, that I think Qatar WC will catalyse.

by Anonymousreply 398July 12, 2021 7:49 PM

Why would Kate have been handing out the medals, r396? She's not part of UEFA.

by Anonymousreply 399July 12, 2021 7:59 PM

[quote] can't see Gareth sacrificing the chance for desperate national glory due to a petty resentment. He's surely bigger than that.

A very good point. Southgate wouldn’t put in all this effort and endure all this heartbreak and censure again just to chuck it away on a vendetta. We mustn’t get carried away with dramatic headcanon.

And visual evidence does point to the fact that Southgate adores Jack as much as his other boys, and even dotes on him like a spoiled baby as indeed the rest of the team and the population do.

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by Anonymousreply 400July 12, 2021 8:09 PM

R386 what I’d like to know is how we bossed penalties when they didn’t matter as much in 2018, but fucked them up now.

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by Anonymousreply 402July 12, 2021 9:06 PM

R402 chance would be a fine thing!

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by Anonymousreply 403July 12, 2021 9:21 PM

None of you want to admit the truth.... Southgate lost the game because of his political correctness, that was the only reason he put ngubu on.

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by Anonymousreply 404July 12, 2021 9:44 PM

Hey, asshole: How many fucking years has it been since England even got this far? Take your "PC" crap and shove it up your limey, worthless ass - there's your "un-pc" reaction.

England would still have shit fucking food and even shittier football if they had to compete against the ones who actually got them there.

by Anonymousreply 405July 12, 2021 9:52 PM

R405 grooming gangs, destroyed communities, native English a minority in the capital city, stabbings, acid attacks, terror attacks.... I could go on. Thank God, they have curry, kebabs and Ngubu to make up for all of that though.

by Anonymousreply 406July 12, 2021 9:58 PM

R406 is very stupid.

by Anonymousreply 407July 12, 2021 10:01 PM

R407 Thank you, for your rebuttal.

by Anonymousreply 408July 12, 2021 10:04 PM

R406? We have a large immigrant population here and yet our biggest problems are with "real" white Americans who can't accept democracy and go on mass shooting sprees. Stabbings of individuals making global news is an agenda and you're too stupid to recognize it isn't going on 24/7 just because your fucking echo chamber can't wait to go all hysterical over it. Meanwhile, when a white guy kills a baker's dozen here, that's a blip in your country, eh? You don't endlessly hear about it, do you?

Yet I'm sure your bigoted, racist ass manages not to blame your white self for the mass shootings, right? Why do you blame *individuals* for what they do when they're white, yet think if some non-white person stabs someone, you get to blame other non-white people who had nothing to do with it? Oh, yes, the fucking white Britons are simply perfect, not a single pedo or rapist to be found. Every one of them stepped out of Downton Abbey.

by Anonymousreply 409July 12, 2021 11:03 PM

[quote]Thank God, they have curry, kebabs and Ngubu to make up for all of that though.

Make up for all that? Yeah, it does, because it's more likely they're serving you that curry every fucking day or playing on a football club every fucking day than "grooming" you or stabbing you.

God, when you're done reading the Daily Mail, do you pulverize it so you can snort it or shoot it into your veins since that shit is like a drug to you people?

by Anonymousreply 410July 12, 2021 11:07 PM

R410 typical lib boomer with his head in the sand, I don’t read the daily mail.

You have absolutely no rebuttal, immigration has provided no benefits to Britain, it’s now a dead country. The only things you could bring up are food and football players. The native population are demoralised and being replaced that’s okay with you though.

Another country sacrificed at the alter of diversity.

by Anonymousreply 411July 12, 2021 11:19 PM

R411, you should make sure you wipe your bum properly when you take a shit.

by Anonymousreply 412July 12, 2021 11:20 PM

Can the race-obsessed trolls actually just fuck right off forever and remain fucked? Some of us are trying to MOURN in PEACE, and catharthise by talking about hot football men doing and saying gay things. Please either get with this program, or depart.

by Anonymousreply 413July 13, 2021 12:03 AM

^^^ Can you imperial colonizers STOP ordering the rest of the world around? It's been 70-something years since you mattered. Ciao, ragazzi.

by Anonymousreply 414July 13, 2021 12:32 AM

The thread is mainly about England and football r414, so it's quite reasonable for an English person to want to talk about the football. Why are you here?

by Anonymousreply 415July 13, 2021 12:38 AM

Because I'm half Italian and a permanent EU resident, which I believe gives me just as much right if not one shot more.

by Anonymousreply 416July 13, 2021 12:41 AM

broke: hoping Pep poaches Pickford so Stonesy can be with his man all year

woke: hoping Man City fall into sudden decline and ruination as they richly and karmically deserve so Everton can pick up Stonesy for a song and Pickford can be with his man all year

by Anonymousreply 417July 13, 2021 12:44 AM

So, r416, as a half Italian and EU resident (which sounds like you don't have EU citizenship and don't live in Italy) you think you can dictate the direction of the thread? You're not even interested in talking about the football.

by Anonymousreply 418July 13, 2021 12:47 AM

Not dictating anything. Mussolini did plenty of that. Just think that your all England, only England, nothing but England view when you were played off the pitch by a better team might warrant some counter-narrative to your dreary, dull football. Even the Italians attack more now.

by Anonymousreply 419July 13, 2021 12:56 AM

So my understanding of the last few hours of this thread is there's now a race obsessed Italian-American throwing around stock tourist phrases like Mario on acid, that lives in a region of the EU that somehow doesn't experience intense Muslim and or African immigration and that this cultural homogeny relates to England being crap at penalty shootouts?

by Anonymousreply 420July 13, 2021 1:00 AM

R420 good commenter number you got girl you are paranoid haha. Have you ever been to the EU?

by Anonymousreply 421July 13, 2021 1:10 AM

R419, I'm from England but not a massive England national team fan. In fact, I'm happy Italy won because the yobbish jeers would have been excruciating if England had won (also, I like Italy). You're annoying, though.

by Anonymousreply 422July 13, 2021 1:20 AM

English hooligans attack Italian fans after defeat.

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by Anonymousreply 423July 13, 2021 1:45 AM

English yobs throw a black man into the River Thames. Another black man was thrown onto rail tracks. The British media is ignoring all this and sweeping it under the carpet.

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by Anonymousreply 424July 13, 2021 1:51 AM

[quote] The British media is ignoring all this and sweeping it under the carpet.

No they're not. The racist abuse was widely reported today and widely condemned. Also your inability to vaguely fact check your posts by at least looking at the tweets below is the reason boomers accept any old crap posted online as true

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by Anonymousreply 425July 13, 2021 2:09 AM

WTF are you disparaging boomers in general, R425? If you have a grievance with one person here, there's no need to attack the demographic to which you likely misplace the person.

This is why we hate us.

by Anonymousreply 426July 13, 2021 2:43 AM

This is the streaker.

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by Anonymousreply 427July 13, 2021 3:05 AM

Oh My God R423, there's nothing quite as shocking as a minor scuffle.

by Anonymousreply 428July 13, 2021 3:07 AM

The English are the worst when they're bad, and that's often. Worst tourists, worst fans.

by Anonymousreply 429July 13, 2021 4:22 AM

[quote]violence ensued onto the streets of London...

Violence? They call those little dust-ups violence?


by Anonymousreply 430July 13, 2021 5:13 AM

The British media isn't sweeping anything under the carpet r424 but I guess it would be good to verify some videos first and everyone knows that these racist thug violent hooligans are a tiny, tiny and in every way unrepresentative group of people in England, who probably aren't even football fans. It's like saying all black men in America are violent criminals just because a few are.

by Anonymousreply 431July 13, 2021 9:56 AM

I don't know. These look like fans to me.

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by Anonymousreply 432July 13, 2021 11:14 AM

Yes, they're moron fans trying to get into the stadium or acting like drunk exuberant idiots in Trafalgar Square. They're not being racist or kicking anyone's heads in in that video, r432.

by Anonymousreply 433July 13, 2021 12:03 PM

R411, here's the rebuttal: If England is a dead country, it is because it was always destined to be one. Do you actually know any English history? After the Romans walked in and took over, much of the indigenous population (Celts) took to the hills of Wales and Cornwall. Then the Danes sashayed in and held the country for 400 years. England is a small island with scant natural resources compared to Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas. They built up their country from raiding, basically, starting in the 1400s. They siphoned off the wealth of nations not as ruthless as themselves, not as organized, not as single-minded and desperate. Britannia HAD to rule the seas or run out of every resource. Then the Industrial Revolution made most of Britain a shit-hole while London and the aristocratic estates were in a bubble of unmerited prosperity. Britain has made war and warriorism its god and now that god has let them down. Starting in 1914 England and the Brit. Empire has been in steady decline. Don't blame the immigrants. If they all left tomorrow, Britain would still be in the merde, just with fewer people and a blancmange culture no one wants to import. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 434July 13, 2021 7:40 PM

R424, what did I say way upthread? Inevitable British bloodyminded thuggery. They truly are the Trumpers of Europe. Hope the better elements get control before they are ostracized by the rest of the world.

by Anonymousreply 435July 13, 2021 7:43 PM

That's an interesting reading of history, R434.

by Anonymousreply 436July 13, 2021 7:54 PM

Watched most of this tournament. Thought Italy had the best game - despite the outrageous and eyerollingly elaborate staging for frees.

Anyway, really happy England lost. Hate their ugly-ass fans. Saw a sign in the crowd: It's going Rome. lmao

by Anonymousreply 437July 13, 2021 8:07 PM

They keep doing this ‘bad apples’ line, they’ve been doing it for years and years and years - when are they gonna acknowledge their massive problem with anti-social behaviour and that a large portion of their population are scumbags? This ‘real fans’ stuff is so eyeroll. These are their real fans, if they don’t like it they should deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 438July 13, 2021 10:34 PM

a lot of people said kane’s golden boot at wc18 was undeserved, but it was more merited than crispy ronald’s this year....

imo jordan pickford deserved the 2020 award💁‍♀️

by Anonymousreply 439July 13, 2021 10:44 PM

[quote] Then the Danes sashayed in

I love Datalounge history class.

by Anonymousreply 440July 14, 2021 12:43 AM

[quote] It is a simple picture on the surface, but with a seemingly unending depth. Kane, tense, uneasy, blurred from his nervous glance, looks upon what can only be described as an enigma- a figure that is simultaneously Buddha and Thor- a troll-like creature of the flesh - a manifestation of physicality.

[quote] The king of the material world that Kane strives and struggles to dominate looks back - almost, but not quite directly, with a complex, royal gaze, his mouth slightly ajar.

[quote] The majesty of this photograph lies here - this expression, much like Da Vinci's timeless Mona Lisa, seems to shift and morph with the viewer's mind. In one viewing, a slight smirk can be seen, in others this is a curled lip of disgust. But the expression is always capricious, and intimately subtle. Is Tango admonishing Harry for having failed to score a "facking goal"? Flanked on each side by equally complex characters, the scene almost resembles a royal judgement or a court trial, with the king sat in judgement, perched physically and spiritually above the nervous subject. Is this a ceremonial approval? Does Tango here bless the England captain with his boon? This ambiguity is the burning soul of the photograph that will never be snuffed out.

[quote] The framing and composition are sublime; the artist clearly and boldly ignoring the traditional rule of thirds and placing the two most important subjects into the middle of the piece in an idiosyncratic, quasi-naïve, almost Wes Anderson-esque fashion, creating an otherworldly, storybook-like feeling that enhances the drama inherent to the events at hand. The use of a zoom lens allows for the distant subjects to simultaneously appear unnaturally close, as if this meeting is occurring somewhere other than physical space. The choice to omit the face of Harry Kane too amplifies and elevates the mystery of the footballer's audience with Tango.

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by Anonymousreply 441July 14, 2021 12:58 AM

R441, where the hell is that from?

by Anonymousreply 442July 14, 2021 1:10 AM

I shudder to imagine how life would be for us if England had held on for the win.

by Anonymousreply 443July 14, 2021 6:11 AM

[quote]I shudder to imagine how life would be for us if England had held on for the win.

Racists would have gone off-duty for the night, so there's that.

by Anonymousreply 444July 14, 2021 6:19 AM

Initial analysis of the racist twitter abuse indicates most of it came from outside the UK, according to a BBC report last night, which is what Gareth Southgate had already said and was also suggested by some of the messages that were published - e.g. monkey emojis widely used by racists in some European countries, but nor common in the UK. They followed this with a piece on systemic racism in some sectors of British life, so they weren't pushing an agenda..

by Anonymousreply 445July 14, 2021 8:31 AM

Interesting that no-one has yet raised the point about intersectional clashes re. race & sexuality. Gay & bi players (statistically numbering a hundred or more across all world Leagues) still do not feel safe to come out and stand up to be counted, for fear of violent backlash and phobic abuse.

Further to this, its a matter of disappointing fact that, in football, the least accepting and most condemnatory demographics of homosexuality tend to be POC/non-white, or from non-white non-Western nations. Historically, it has always been like that. It’s why gay black player Justin Fashanu lived and died the way he did, and why before he signed a contract his family were the first ones to oppress him into tortured silence and keep him in the closet—perhaps out of fear for their son & brother, but oppressively nonetheless.

Rainbow laces & armbands are a good start in the move toward changing this paradigm( a visible token of awareness and a willingness to accept, and one to which England NT as well as Denmark admirably and consistently committed in this year’s Euros. Odd that, as far as documentary evidence shows, there weren’t any POC players or fans out there advocating for LGB in such a way, even on or for the aforementioned teams—is that in itself a racial issue?

Some have indicated that this is because POC people feel the matter of their race being abused is a more urgent and weighty one than that of sexuality, and that whites have the ‘luxury’ of centring gay rights because they do not currently face overt racial hatred in society. Nonetheless, this doesn’t answer the question of why gay POC people are subject to silencing, shame, hatred and even threats of conversion in their own families and communities.

Some honest transparent discussion about the treatment of homosexuality in POC cultures and families would go a long way to improving rights for all minority groups, and curbing this tendency for cruelty coming from the stands. The problem is that minority groups compete for space and air and a microphone in the public arena, and shout each other down.

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by Anonymousreply 446July 14, 2021 8:53 AM

Link please, R445? I’m on the BBC site right now and haven’t seen this analysis in any of the racism/football articles.

by Anonymousreply 447July 14, 2021 9:06 AM

To put a final cap on the point about penalties—no-one can truly be forced to take a penalty. There is a shortlist of penalty takers from which a kicker must be drawn, and if a player is on that list they may be under quite a bit of pressure from a manager or coach or teammates to take a kick, but there is no absolute rule that a player must. If any of those young black boys felt completely unsure and refused, they could have. Ultimately, their choice to follow through and try is their own responsibility. That’s what growing up and having privilege and getting opportunities is about, and sometimes people who face these challenges will fall down or fail. The players can’t—and as far as their statements show, haven’t, to their credit—disavow their part in it.

That said, given how young and inexperienced and doubtlessly eager to please those players are, it was irresponsible of Southgate to put their names down at all, as well as neglectful of the older cooler heads on that team to step back and let it happen. Left on that pitch at the end of the match, Henderson, Walker, Maguire, Kane, Pickford, Stones were all older players with their heads in the game and experience taking penalties at this level, with the authority to object or intercede. Perhaps someone should have tried to prevent the obvious disaster.

by Anonymousreply 448July 14, 2021 9:08 AM

[quote] Interesting that no-one has yet raised the point about intersectional clashes re. race & sexuality.

With this as your opener, and using Justin Fashnau as an example, shouldn’t you be talking about how Justin faced racial and homophobic discrimination from a racist and homophobic Britain rather than twisting it into a “it’s the black fans fault :(“ bullshit diatribe?

R446 = scumbag

by Anonymousreply 449July 14, 2021 9:41 AM

R449 you missed the point, which was that for one minority group to demand acceptance while denying another minority that same acceptance is hypocritical, and no-one is discussing that.

At no point has anyone denied that during his tragically short life Fashanu faced unacceptable levels of racial discrimination from so-called fans and other players.

It’s actually possible to hold someone accountable for their own prejudices but also defend them from discrimination, though for some this idea is too complex to cope with.

by Anonymousreply 450July 14, 2021 9:53 AM

R450 I got your point loud and clear - interpret minorities’ advocacy for themselves as an indication that they do not advocate for other groups, because god forbid they’d be busy enough helping their own out of poverty or discrimination.

And use this as a mechanism to avoid any discussion or critical analysis of responsibility on the part of the white majority (to which I’d bet good money you belong?).

by Anonymousreply 451July 14, 2021 9:57 AM

This is a gay site, for gay people, to discuss matters that concern gay people such as equal rights and freedom from sexuality discrimination across all cultures and ethnicities. How then is it unreasonable that we would or should place gay rights on top of our agenda?

Your point was already raised and even-handedly considered at R446:

[quote] Some have indicated that this is because POC people feel the matter of their race being abused is a more urgent and weighty one than that of sexuality, and that whites have the ‘luxury’ of centring gay rights because they do not currently face overt racial hatred in society.

Therefore, the suspicions deflections from pertinent questions are thine.

by Anonymousreply 452July 14, 2021 10:08 AM

R447, I watched it live on Newsnight last night, so don't have a link. It may be on the I-Player, if you're in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 453July 14, 2021 10:48 AM

[quote] This is a gay site, for gay people, to discuss matters that concern gay people such as equal rights and freedom from sexuality discrimination across all cultures and ethnicities.

But this is not what you mean. What you’re doing is weaponizing homophobia in order to enact racism. And that is not what gay rights is about. Gay people (since they come from all races and ethnicities) must advocate for anti racism and all minorities as part of gay rights, it’s not exclusive to white people (even tho you see it that way). Gay liberation requires freedom for all minorities, all ethnicities, all races because that’s who we are. Your cynicism in totally subverting that into a “it’s all black peoples fault” is intellectually ignorant, or dishonest, or both!

by Anonymousreply 454July 14, 2021 3:32 PM

R450 is a troll and racist. Unfortunately, these types seem to be becoming the rule, not the exception, on DL. Every other thread is race-baiting. But they still won't succeed. "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."

by Anonymousreply 455July 14, 2021 4:41 PM

The BBC's Ros Atkins' take:

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by Anonymousreply 456July 14, 2021 5:08 PM

R454/R455 lecturing and shouting down a lower-class gay British female—who has legitimate concerns about covert misuses of political power and activism in her own country, based on historical context—about civil rights and privilege. Wow. Not a good look. Remind me again—how does that lyric go again? You know, “woman is the [redacted] of the world...”.

Reading your posts over, you contradict yourself as well as me, and clearly haven’t taken a single point I raised on board. If you want to buy wholesale into government lies and rise to the level of their instigation, that’s your lookout, but don’t expect everyone else to take what’s happening at face value. This is a Tory government ignoring class issues and throwing all minorities into the fray to save their own skins, and I’ve seen this happen before (albeit in a less severe and frantic and desperate way). My posts do come from a place of compassion for all minorities—I can see that we’re all doomed if we go along with this, let elitists steal and harness our anger.

You’re being played, but you seem to be enjoying the tune.

by Anonymousreply 457July 14, 2021 5:24 PM

[quote]lecturing and shouting down a lower-class gay British female

Who is a lower class gay British female?

No British person would ever describe themselves as lower class.

by Anonymousreply 458July 14, 2021 5:28 PM

A British person would say working class, R457.

by Anonymousreply 459July 14, 2021 5:34 PM

[quote] gay British female

Similarly I think you would have said ‘woman’ rather than female if you are British. Female / male is more American or international way of using a noun to refer to people whereas in the UK/ Ireland it’s almost always man / woman. But enjoy that fantasy.

If you are a woman, and I didn’t know that before because you didn’t mention it, that just is another example of your mechanizing minority rights to defend your racism, now it’s women’s rights. You’re at worst a liar and at best a total cynic.

by Anonymousreply 460July 14, 2021 6:01 PM

Are they going to show up at 10 Downing or not? I could use an ashtray, Jack.

by Anonymousreply 461July 15, 2021 12:56 AM

I didn't detect any shouting. It's textbook how people displaying bullying attitudes always reach for the "You are bullying me!" defense.

But if you really don't see how your remarks are racist, read some books about racism by black people. That's what I did, starting decades ago. It's hard to see the water if you're a fish, but it can be done.

by Anonymousreply 462July 15, 2021 1:05 AM

[quote] Are they going to show up at 10 Downing or not?

I don’t think so.

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by Anonymousreply 463July 15, 2021 1:25 AM

Thanks, R463. Good for them.

by Anonymousreply 464July 15, 2021 1:38 AM

Made me laugh

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by Anonymousreply 465July 15, 2021 9:43 AM

Concept vs. Execution has always been the cross the England squad bore.

Still don’t like it, but I suppose you’ve got to respect the Double Down.

by Anonymousreply 466July 15, 2021 2:59 PM

david beckham and tom cruise fist bump.. still feels illegal

by Anonymousreply 467July 15, 2021 3:45 PM

Cruise has a new face, Beckham is covered in tattoos. The fist-bump publicly signifies the confederacy of dunces.

by Anonymousreply 468July 15, 2021 4:24 PM

The only positive thing about England losing is that the slimy Bozo Johnson and his repugnant government aren't able to exploit their victory. And we all know they would have behaved so triumphantly and tried to claim the team as theirs and representing their England.

by Anonymousreply 469July 15, 2021 6:00 PM

True R469. I am glad that politicians are taking beatings in the press over their little PR stunts, and that the team themselves called them out. This tepid milky Twinings tea is delicious.

by Anonymousreply 470July 15, 2021 6:23 PM

As Gareth Southgate states, the racist tweets have been analysed and a disproportionate number came from overseas accounts, and not from the UK.

People forget that because the England team is made up of players from so many different places, England is followed by a worldwide audience, not just an English one. In particular Arsenal and Man United have huge followings overseas.

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by Anonymousreply 471July 15, 2021 7:22 PM

At Uni I once met a Lebanese Musl!m student who followed Liverpool (for Sala. I’m guessing), and watching games at the campus bar he was known to mutter to himself and come out with some alarming and vile racist comments aimed at both black and white players. Really horrible offputting man.

by Anonymousreply 472July 15, 2021 7:27 PM

More interesting numbers from the Guardian.

During the tournament, out of 585,000 tweets aimed at players through the tournament, there were 44 racist tweets, comprising less than 0.0075% of the totality of tweets aimed at the players.

Now we know that a strong proportion of the 44 racist tweets were foreign, and given that the population of the UK is approximately 70 million, Id say that to conclude that "Britain is racist" from the racist Euro tweets is incorrect.

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by Anonymousreply 473July 15, 2021 7:30 PM

They didn't lose during the group stages, although the draw with Scotland was obviously a disappointment to fans. I think it would be more pertinent to look at the tweets after losing the final and the missed penalties.

by Anonymousreply 474July 15, 2021 7:40 PM

Southgate is a idiot. He announced that he knew his first team 11 months before the qualifiers, which stops all players thinking they can or need to push for a place and keep training hard to perform their best.

Also, Southgate said he picked penalty takers from what he saw in training; taking a peno in training is a world away from taking one in a crucial match front of 60,000 people. Grealish for example said he wanted to take penalties, begged to be on the list (as well as just play( all tournament, but because Southgate kept benching him and taking him off the pitch, Jack ended up demotivated in training and therefore putting himself out of consideration.

It was a vicious cycle of poor planning that began before the Euros.

by Anonymousreply 475July 15, 2021 8:11 PM

[quote] The only positive thing about England losing is that the slimy Bozo Johnson and his repugnant government aren't able to exploit their victory.

They would still be able to point to getting to the final being a result of the Brexit spirit.

by Anonymousreply 476July 15, 2021 8:17 PM

Tokenism works about as well as affirmative action, and this debacle was proof. No one wins, especially POC.

Just let people who know what they’re doing and can deliver do the job, end of. Don’t even consider their colour or creed, and that goes both ways.

by Anonymousreply 477July 15, 2021 9:18 PM

I love that the England team turned down a reception at Downing Street.

by Anonymousreply 478July 15, 2021 9:49 PM

R477, what does that have to do with the final? Do you really think the players' skin colour entered Southgate's head when he was choosing who should take the penalties?

by Anonymousreply 479July 15, 2021 11:11 PM

[quote] Do you really think the players' skin colour entered Southgate's head when he was choosing who should take the penalties?

Is there anyway to know the truth of whether he did or didn’t? He certainly would never be able to confess it if he did, so it would not be possible to make a determination based on whatever he may say.

by Anonymousreply 480July 15, 2021 11:27 PM

[quote] The only positive thing about England losing

There are countless, endless, limitless positive things about England losing.

by Anonymousreply 481July 15, 2021 11:31 PM

Whoever thinks Southgate would have chosen players to take the penalties in the final of a major international tournament on the basis of their skin colour is an idiot. He chose them because they are top players who are more than capable of scoring goals. It didn't work out, but that's football. Italy missed two of their penalties too. One of the most famous missed penalties in history is Roberto Baggio's in the 1990 World Cup final against Brazil. Missed penalties happen.

by Anonymousreply 482July 15, 2021 11:46 PM

Are you Scottish, r481?

by Anonymousreply 483July 15, 2021 11:46 PM

R483 close but no cigar

by Anonymousreply 484July 15, 2021 11:53 PM

R480 exactly, unconscious bias is called as such for a reason.

by Anonymousreply 485July 16, 2021 8:42 AM

They think its all over!

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by Anonymousreply 486July 16, 2021 9:01 AM

R486 mate come on it’s too fucking soon

by Anonymousreply 487July 16, 2021 9:07 AM

I'm British, born and bred in England , Black and I'm glad that England lost, if only to not hear the moronic cries of "it's coming home" that ONE white drunken idiot managed to make sound like a war cry round our way when England beat Denmark ( we came out and told him to shut the fuck up, because unlike him, people have to go to work/do work in the morning). I wouldn't have been able to cope if they all came out after winning the Euros.

Furthermore, I wouldn't have liked how both the Conservatives and Labour would have used the fact that there were more than normal an amount of Black and mixed race players in the team as political scoring with the amount of racism that is riven in both parties with one being better then the other , but no picnic if one is Black or a person of colour with "wrong think."

Since the 70s, there is always a sprinkling of Black men amongst the white, racist hooligan element. What the fuck is up with that? Breaking into Wembley and burning the Italian flag in Leicester Square? Glad that my male kin have some type of code and will never be that one Black man amongst a bunch of white chavs who can't help them in life. That's assimilation gone too far!

by Anonymousreply 488July 16, 2021 9:42 AM

[quote] political scoring with the amount of racism that is riven in both parties with one being better then the other , but no picnic if one is Black or a person of colour with "wrong think."

Good catch. Every party is guilty of doing this.

More recently they do it to us gays, too. The Labour Party in particular are cunts for this—hiring for ‘LGBT diversity’ and recruiting young naïve gay people, while at the same time expelling and shutting down dialogue when someone dares to criticise certain ideologies.

by Anonymousreply 489July 16, 2021 9:46 AM

R485, except it isn't unconscious bias. The choice of who takes the penalties isn't a last-minute thing, just done on the pitch at that moment, and it's not even just down to the coach. It's part of a strategy put together in advance by the coaching team and often the players themselves and mostly follows a set practice.

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by Anonymousreply 490July 16, 2021 10:02 AM

R488, the lager louts who smashed up Leicester Square and invaded Wembley aren't necessarily racist. This kind of behaviour stems from somewhere deep in the English psyche and is more to do with the somewhat perverted competitiveness of English society, which is cultural and not ethnic. And I don't mean healthy competition, as in sport, but some weird need for England always to be proving that it's no. 1, while deep-down fearing that it isn't. The juvenile bottom humour is part of this weird aggression. The people who booed other countries' anthems or burnt the Italian flag aren't necessarily racist but they are nationalist. Just look at the make-up of the government to see what I mean.

Yes, of course there is a racist element too, but racism doesn't explain all this bizarre behaviour.

by Anonymousreply 491July 16, 2021 10:13 AM

Not that I'm one to defend Starmer, but he's managed to put a lid on those tendencies in Labour and no one has been expelled for criticising trans ideology. On the contrary, Lloyd Russell-Moyle was made to apologise and found himself out of the shadow cabinet when he attacked JK Rowling for saying that the people who menstruate are women.

Don't forget that it was also the Tories who first proposed a gender self-identity law, which has now thankfully been dropped, although Sturgeon is trying to keep it going in Scotland.

by Anonymousreply 492July 16, 2021 10:18 AM

[quote]This kind of behaviour stems from somewhere deep in the English psyche

It does, and football demonstrably brings out the worst. Some brain-dead will use that hopeless energy to turn on 'their own': recall how effigies of Beckham were burned after he'd petulantly got himself sent off in that astonishing game way back against Argentina. He was the pretty-boy poster-child star of the time, which doubtless added to thug aggression.

Football gets to people at a level beyond rationality. Witness the shots of highly-paid commentary panels punching the air and hugging when England scored. Imagine that profound hope and energy in England's deplorables, men left behind, fuelled by junk tabloids and beer. They're unlikely to say, 'On balance, we didn't quite deserve to win.' Lashing out is a pathetic compensatory assertion of 'victory.'

by Anonymousreply 493July 16, 2021 11:01 AM

One pet theory about European football is that it’s a proxy channel for collective anxieties and trauma left over from the Great Wars, and a way to emotionally negotiate the shifts of power balances between all the nations & islands of the region.

Bit drastic as an idea, but I could see it.

by Anonymousreply 494July 16, 2021 11:08 AM

R473 Was Rashford's mural defaced from abroad too? Face it. The UK is an extremely racist country that invests a lot in hiding it.

by Anonymousreply 495July 16, 2021 11:20 AM

R214 as well as Jordan Henderson, longtime England defender John Stones also kept his silver medal on. Classy man, and handsome as well.

Notice it was the youngest and more emotional players who removed them, probably in the heat of the moment.

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by Anonymousreply 496July 16, 2021 11:27 AM

[quote] I'm British, born and bred in England , Black and I'm glad that England lost

Isn’t that what people already assumed?

by Anonymousreply 497July 16, 2021 11:39 AM

R495, Rashford's mural wasn't defaced, it had some graffiti sprayed on it and the graffiti was not even racist. We don't exactly know what it said because it was immediately covered up with heart symbols and has since been restored and dozens of messages of love and appreciation for Rashford have been posted onto the wall. The one idiot responsible for the graffiti is spoke only for himself, not the local community or Britain as a whole.

[quote]The vandalism of a mural of England footballer Marcus Rashford was “not believed to be of a racial nature”, police have said as they appealed for witnesses.

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by Anonymousreply 498July 16, 2021 11:50 AM

The mural looks perfect for painting in cum drops off the lips.

by Anonymousreply 499July 16, 2021 12:25 PM

R498 makes a good point. Sometimes in the rush for perceived rectification of justice, actual facts of the case are missed.

by Anonymousreply 500July 16, 2021 12:39 PM

mens’ football be like a dark Netflix drama: microcosmic angst, political intrigue, violent scenes, cycles of trauma & abuse, main characters going through it, ambiguous downer ending, intricate rituals

by Anonymousreply 501July 16, 2021 2:27 PM

^ That's why most of the world couldn't bear the thought of England winning, r501. In American sports, it all gets forgotten the day after. No one cares who won the Super Bowl or the NBA finals two days ago. England, on the other hand, are still using the the1966 World Cup to mock and insult other countries.

by Anonymousreply 502July 17, 2021 4:08 AM

Most of the world couldn't have cared less, R502. Where are you getting this from?

by Anonymousreply 503July 17, 2021 5:25 AM

R502 is right. Certainly in Europe and other parts of the world where football is big (i.e. the entire world aside from the US) there was a concerned anxiety at the thought of England winning because of the aggressive English nationalism it would have released and the way the Johnson government would have tried to exploit it. We would have never stopped hearing about it.

This isn't an anti-England thing because English clubs are hugely popular around the world, but the English national team brings out the worst kind of English jingoism and arrogance in England. Which is a shame, because the England team itself has made great strides to be the opposite of that.

by Anonymousreply 504July 17, 2021 11:05 AM

To add, many of us in England who are proud of the team itself also feared an England win for the same reasons.

by Anonymousreply 505July 17, 2021 11:07 AM

And that's the exactly problem with England: resolutely refusing to let go of, and desperately clinging on to glories that are fading into the dim and distant past. See also: Brexit. To the rest of the world it looks sad and increasingly pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 506July 17, 2021 11:14 AM

[quote]Most of the world couldn't have cared less, [R502]. Where are you getting this from?

Actually, most of the world cared and was watching, r503. Not big in the US I know, but mattered in most other places.

by Anonymousreply 507July 17, 2021 11:31 AM

[quote]many of us in England who are proud of the team itself also feared an England win

[quote]And that's the exactly problem with England: resolutely refusing to let go of, and desperately clinging on to glories that are fading

The second quote above is too glib, as the first quote above indicates. The Brexit 'victory' was 52-48, which shows a substantial percentage who hate and fear nationalistic triumphalism.

Most thinking people in England and around the world can see right through Johnson and his shameless posh bluster. His friends in the press have given him multiple free passes due to Covid.

74 million people in the US voted for Trump, despite it all, but I'm aware there's a better America there too, some of whom post on DL.

by Anonymousreply 508July 17, 2021 11:57 AM

People who thought Boris Johnson would have been able to take any glory from an England win know nothing about England, the UK, Europe or politics in general.

The right wing pro Brexit brigade would have been able to enjoy an England victory the same way Trump enjoyed the women's US team winning the World Cup.

The England team wouldn't have allowed Johnson to enjoy it. They're bright young men who know the influence they carry in the media and they would have taken on the Tory government at every step.

by Anonymousreply 509July 17, 2021 12:15 PM

R473, I think Toby Young was, as so often, getting his facts wrong, conflating two different analyses. The Guardian sponsored an analysis of abusive tweets addressed at the England team and manager in the first week - most went to Southgate, then equally to Kane and Sterling . There were a little over 2000 abusive messages sent to the team, of which 44 (2%) were racist - presumably these were only sent to the non-white players, of course. They didn't analyse where these came from, at least not in the Guardian's published report. Last week a BBC report on Newsnight said that initial investigations into the racist tweets on their own addressed to players after the final had a large proportion originating outside the UK. I'm sure there are racist tweeters in the UK (four have now been arrested), but it is likely that a good proportion of the tweets came from abroad, either from actual racists, or else troll-farms inciting division. Like the apparently non-racist graffiti on the Rashford mural, the actual evidence is either ignored, prejudged or distorted to reinforce a message of division and bandwagon-jumping. So we get outraged opinion pieces from the Guardian's usual writers, and also Johnson blowharding about lifetime bans of racists going to football matches, neither of which taker into account what actually happened and what really need to be addressed.

by Anonymousreply 510July 17, 2021 12:17 PM

[quote] The England team wouldn't have allowed Johnson to enjoy it. They're bright young men who know the influence they carry in the media

It’s fitting then that these bright young men didn’t get to enjoy it either. If they are that petty and partisan, they deserve the negativity towards them that you indicate they were willing to use against others.

by Anonymousreply 511July 17, 2021 5:21 PM

Two of the penalty missers, Rashford and Sancho, seem over England's loss so hopefully the fans will be, too.

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by Anonymousreply 512July 19, 2021 3:26 AM

^ ^ ( .)( .)

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by Anonymousreply 513July 19, 2021 3:50 AM

Meanwhile, the Rashford mural above didn't even contain any racist graffiti. Just regular "piss off" stuff that any white player who missed a penalty shot would have got.

Didn't stop the virtue signallers though. They NEEDED it to be racist, so they just ignored the news that it wasn't racist and carried on pretending that it was, culminating in a large group of them taking the knee in front of the non-racistized mural of the multi-millionaire football star who hadn't even been subject to racist abuse.

Almost as if...almost as if... the demand for racism is outstripping the supply...

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by Anonymousreply 514July 19, 2021 3:58 AM

Here is a photo of the "racist" Rashford mural.

Note there are no racist terms used there.

The Manchester police who had hurriedly covered up the mural and refused to release what was written on it, and who intentionally stirred up the "it must be racist" hysteria regarding the graffiti to bolster their own 'wokepoints', were finally forced to concede that it was not a "racist incident" - once a photo of the uncovered mural went viral.

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by Anonymousreply 515July 19, 2021 4:45 AM

Those two are just tone-deaf to post those videos on the private jet and living it up in the Turks and Caicos.

by Anonymousreply 516July 19, 2021 6:09 AM

Lewis Hamilton racially abused online after British Grand Prix win.

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by Anonymousreply 517July 19, 2021 8:27 AM

The media are in a difficult position regarding this.

Report it and make a huge deal of the racist abuse (the bulk of which will be coming from oversees troll factories) and they draw more attention to it and encourage the trolls for the next time, knowing they'll get the attention again.

Don't report it with the intention of not drawing attention to it and get criticized for being complicit.

by Anonymousreply 518July 19, 2021 8:50 AM

R512/R516 this is what I hate so much—the reification of mega-rich footballers who don’t give a shit about one single tournament or playing for their country. They don’t care, about national pride or about little kids who look up to them, so don’t try to tell me they do. All the weepy apologetic press statements and crying for the camera mean nothing compared to actual actions.

The social media videos and pictures coming out tell the tale—this Euros was just a well-paying if slightly stressful short-term gig to the team, and now it’s over the lads get 21 days or more all expenses to holiday in a private resort in the beautiful Mediterranean before they go back to their own glittering club careers, while the rest of us struggle on as ever trapped at home trying to make ends meet.

It doesn’t matter what colour the player are—they’re bougie elites laughing at the gullible peasants. Yes, even and especially the POC who refuse to inure themselves to the customary fan criticism (which as others upthread have pointed out, does not tend to racial hatred). These ‘bright young men’ are merely puppets groomed to be athletes from a young age and then given obscene earnings to play fixed competitions that entertain the proles.

The race discourse is merely a distraction tactic to ensure that the viewing public don’t focus on player salaries & lifestyles or on the big money backroom deals of the business during this difficult time for most. You’re not supposed to notice the gorilla in the room....

by Anonymousreply 519July 19, 2021 8:56 AM

R508, you're mistaken if you think the outburst of exuberant "patriotism" in the event of an England win would have been only from Brexit supporters. The referendum vote of 52-48 was a disaster in terms of what it says about Britain's (England's) understanding of itself and its place in the world, and many of the 48% still hold views of British superiority. Even Gareth Southgate - muse of the new "progressive" patriotism, vocal Brexit opponent and anti-racist activist - succumbed to a minor instance of the "let's revive the spirit wot won the war" rhetoric just before the Euro final.

So, yes, for many of us in England, there was actually a fear of the outburst of jingoism from all sides that a victory at the Euro finals would have produced.

by Anonymousreply 520July 19, 2021 10:31 AM

R511, it's not so much a case of the bright young men of the England team not allowing Boris and his government to enjoy a Euro victory, but they would have not wanted Boris and his government to exploit an England victory - which they would have tried to do in an vomit-inducing way.

by Anonymousreply 521July 19, 2021 10:33 AM

Patriotism, and the pride of the English in their past and their future potential, is a good thing.

by Anonymousreply 522July 19, 2021 11:28 AM

It used to be standard for there to be a Downing St reception for successful UK athletes and teams. It's now been thoroughly politicised (and both sides will claim - They started it!). There could still be a Buck House reception, thankfully.

by Anonymousreply 523July 19, 2021 12:40 PM

That's true r522, but it depends on what you're saying and the context as well. Invoking the Second World War for an international football match probably isn't such a good idea.

by Anonymousreply 524July 19, 2021 12:46 PM

[quote]It used to be standard for there to be a Downing St reception for successful UK athletes and teams. It's now been thoroughly politicised (and both sides will claim - They started it!). There could still be a Buck House reception, thankfully.

The clue is in the word "successful". England didn't win anything.

Wales had a homecoming parade and concert when they made the semi finals of the Euros in 2016, It was billed as "a nation saluting its heroes".

When England lost their semi final match against Croatia in the 2018 World Cup the idea that they should have a parade or reception was immediately dismissed.

Seeing the England team react to being given medals after the match I doubt any of the players would have been willing to have an official reception with any politicians or royalty. Because they wouldn't have felt they merited one.

When Team GB & NI return from the Olympics there will undoubtedly be some form of official reception. provided of course they win at least 1 gold medal.

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by Anonymousreply 525July 19, 2021 2:41 PM

I would have thought being finalists counts as something. It was, by any standards, a good achievement.

by Anonymousreply 526July 19, 2021 2:45 PM

I am buying a new dress. I am not actually buying a dress, but it feels like it.  The dress made from a pretty flowing white lace, with a lovely red rose appliqué detailing on the trim and the neckline, and three heraldic lion embroidered in navy blue over the bodice. I am not the kind who wears dresses, usually, but this one is beautiful and I feel compelled to put it on. When I do put it on, however, the fabric burns my skin. I want to explain this, but I can’t. I need to take it off, but I know if I took it off I would start sobbing and never be able to stop.

by Anonymousreply 527July 20, 2021 7:06 PM

Someone has taken the loss so badly they've lost their mind. Sad.

by Anonymousreply 528July 20, 2021 7:17 PM

They keep trying to bring Rashford down, but it never works.

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by Anonymousreply 529July 20, 2021 11:16 PM

Why don't they name the player from Everton?

by Anonymousreply 530July 21, 2021 12:56 AM

R530, it's English media law. I don't know the details but this has happened in many other cases involving famous people. It doesn't stop non-English media outlets reporting names though. Iceland media is reporting it's Gylfi Sigurðsson.

by Anonymousreply 531July 21, 2021 1:35 AM

R530/R531 we have a thread about the Everton scandal.

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by Anonymousreply 532July 21, 2021 7:52 AM

R529 I don’t believe Rashy even needs to address haters anymore. He knows he’s right, why even get into it?

by Anonymousreply 533July 21, 2021 9:20 PM

After this year’s debacle, I wonder if Grealish will choose to answer the next call-up. I have a feeling he might leave Gareth on read....

by Anonymousreply 534July 22, 2021 11:20 PM

Getting to the final of a major international tournament for the first time in 55 years isn't really a debacle, r534.

by Anonymousreply 535July 23, 2021 12:50 PM

R535 true enough—but Jack could have gone one better, and won it. His chances were better than most of the players on the list, because he’s so confident and he’s got his stride in the ascension of his success. He knows it, the team knows it, Gareth knows it, England know it, and the world knows it.

For that matter, Hendo or Shaw or Trippier or Philips could have won it, too, for much the same reason. Given the work and heart these skilled and composed veteran players put into that tournament, against all odds, they have a right to be upset about their mismanagement and about the horrible situation their juniors were put in, and to rethink their dedication to playing for their country in future if management is not changed or brought to task.

Because it’s become clear that the England manager still doesn’t entirely trust all of his players, and seems especially to resent and misjudge Grealish—for his lifestyle, for his talent, for not coming up through the traditional English U16/U18/U21 ranking system). With their leader playing favourites and playing politics, it’s no wonder certain among the squad feel held back from using their full bravura and skill to win. To return to our example, Jack just had to watch helplessly as his effort went down in flames, thanks to foolhardy decisions made by a man who sent knee-knocking kids in Jack’s rightful place. In the post-match footage you can see that Jack looks angry and betrayed and let down, more than just heartbroken or sorry.

by Anonymousreply 536July 23, 2021 3:46 PM

You might be a little overinvested, R536. Jack is meanwhile fucking about in Mykonos with barely a thought in his charmingly empty little head.

by Anonymousreply 537July 23, 2021 4:02 PM

R537 not really. I’m under no illusion that footballers care about international tournament performances beyond the minutes they’re on the pitch. I get it, I know how it all works. Some of us are paid to think, others are paid to play. It’s a symbiotic relationship.

But I also know a little bit about the egos of athletes, and about how the business works behind the scenes. Thanks to that knowledge, I feel confident saying what I said. I’ve seen the looks on their faces before, I know what it spells. Just thought someone should point that out here before the thread gets closer. Whatever.

by Anonymousreply 538July 23, 2021 4:12 PM

You're clearly bonkers is what you are, R538.

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