New York State Passes Gender Recognition Bill

This is wonderful and will ensure less confusion in the event that a person who has changed their name and designated their sex as “X” commits a crime. Not to mention the freedom of choice it offers potential criminals who are not conflicted about their names or gender. This was so necessary!

This bill has [italic]bathed[/italic] me in relief.

Not publishing name changes in newspapers isn't such a huge win IMHO.

People largely don't read newspaper anymore, less so the often low circulation publications judges mandated for publishing notice.

Name changes are public record. As such those internet background/people finder or whatever you want to call them websites have them in their archives not long after such things hit public records. Marriages, divorces, name changes, criminal records, arrest records (in some states), civil court actions... It's all there...

Besides all sorts of forms from employment to apartment applications ask for all names previously used.

R1 you should take a moment to examine that bitterness. Why does a small concession given to trans people make you unhappy? What are you losing in this situation? Anything? If you hate trans people and want them to suffer, I'd rather you come right out and say it.

R2 I think drivers licenses are the main thing here. You can understand why a trans person wouldn't want to hear "oh you look like a female but you license says male" when they go to use their ID. It's a matter of basic dignity. Hopefully that clears things up for you and you can continue with your day.

Rapists must be so excited!

How will men on sex offender registries be tracked?

R3

And a big ole "X" instead is better how? So a person isn't one or the other, just "it"?

Why should anyone, especially in an official capacity, pander to the control jones, whim and fancy of others. Government agencies are there to regulate and record reality, not individual fantasy.

R3 I don’t an X on an ID will convince anyone that the hulking 6’3, wide shouldered person with an Adam’s apple s in front of them is female. This is just straight up pandering.

I'll have another anti-trans tears spritzer. Why, yes, I'd love an orange slice!

Cuomo is hopefully gone.

NYS assembly and senate are gone, out of session... Cuomo has thirty days (IIRC) to either veto or sign bill. If he doesn't do either it automatically becomes law.

Cuomo has always given out goodies for LGBT during Pride month, so expect this year will be no different, and he will sign bill into law.

aka The Let's Make Government Records Worthless Act.

[quote]and he will sign bill into law. Sad.

Hopefully Cuomo is gone and Whitmer is gone.

Sickening

This all stems from the Under-40's Tiger/Helicopter Moms, who made being gay the worst thing you can be ("That's so GAY!"). So it's ingrained in their brain to change sexes- or have no identity at all- rather than be a homo.

I know R16.

Just another X to bear.

This is insanity.

Told you so! Said R11.

For record NYC pride march this weekend, so King Cuomo is right on cue....

So Brave!

The congressman/senator/whoever in the OP's pic looks like he's barely able to contain his laughter underneath that mask.

Wonder how this plays out with federal government where ID is called for, say applying for a passport or ID used to enter federal buildings, get on a plane, etc... What about applying for a federal employment and benefits. Will Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other federal programs accept "X" as sex ?

Know to get a "Real ID" you have to have either a valid passport or certified birth certificate. If that certified bc states your "Pat" (neither nor the other) does it count as acceptable proof?

What exactly is the point of such bullshit?

A solution in search of a problem... which will cause more problems!

Ridiculous.

A result of our longstanding equivalency of gender and sex. Men's and Women's bathrooms, boy's soccer and girl's soccer, etc. -- all supposed to be indicating sex, but actually indicating gender. But no one ever thought anything of it and always took one to mean the other.

Sex is still real and immutable. I just don't get why that's such a big deal to some people. Yes, you can play with gender and often gender norms are unnecessarily limiting. Fine. But, birth certificates and other official documents, despite whatever language they might use, are indicating sex, not gender.

[quote]A result of our longstanding equivalency of gender and sex.

Only bizarre freaks insist on pretending that normal humans discern some difference!

Problem lies in laws (what there are of them) written to benefit trans all pretty much assume they will have the chop. Thus armed with an amended bc they could get ID saying "female", or whatever.

Since there is a large and growing number of trans who remain not enough of one, and too much of the other (non-op) it causes problems. A chick with a dick cannot (until now) in NYS get a drivers license that says "female" because, well he isn't. So when applying for jobs, employment, etc they either have to scheme to get required documents, or out themselves by presenting same that say "M" or whatever.

Now in the great name of woke politics trans or anyone else can simply get drivers licenses and birth certificates that say "X". They're not male nor female, just "Pat"

But there is a difference.

R25 If I had a camera, I'd take a pic of my birth certificate issued by the City and County of San Francisco. On that birth certificate is a field labelled G E N D E R with checkboxes besides M and F.

Sex and gender are synonymous. Asserting otherwise is nonsensical agenda.

They're different

I absolutely agree r29, but since in the English language the "postmodernists" declared that they are different and that gender is a social construct, there's a certain usefulness in pointing out to them that if gender is a social construct then gender identity is a social construct too. Or that if woman is a social construct then transwoman is a social construct too. As a gay person it's useful in this crazy context to be able to say that I'm attracted to my own sex, not my own "gender identity" - although, I'm then attacked by the so-called "LGBTQ+ community" for being "transphobic".

Other languages don't have two words for the same thing, but the problem then becomes that the trans cult in other countries dictates to them all that there's such a thing as "sex identity", and because of the pernicious influence of American woke around the world their governments feel they have to go along with that. Although, thankfully, gender identity legislation was recently abandoned in Germany, Spain and England (problems brewing in Scotland, though).

If they're different r30, then how comes most, if not all, other languages only have one word for both sex/gender?

"Gender identity" is a bullshit, made up concept. People do not have "gender identities". A biological man who "identifies as a woman" is not a woman. Non-binary is meaningless crap. Yes, there are some people who, for whatever reasons, do not feel comfortable in their own bodies and wish to be the other sex - they used to be called transsexuals. Those people need support and to be protected. Many of them even oppose the new "gender identity" theory. Those people also used to go through full-body "sex change" surgery and did not insist they were women just because they felt as though they were women. The new "gender identity " crap and gender identity legislation means that all a great big hulking male with all his make genitalia needs to do is say he "identifies" as a woman and he will be legally recognised as one, with almost no criteria, certainly not any actual physical transition.

[quote]certainly not any actual physical transition.

Lopping off a man's dick and balls does not make him a woman. Just hormones, a dress, make-up, long hair, painted nails and high heels don't make him a woman, but rather the worst socially-dictated female stereotype.

Sex = Biological given

Gender = Cultural construct

No r34, in the English language "gender" has been used from the beginning to mean biological sex. This attempt to distinguish between the two words along the lines you are suggesting is very recent and a deliberate attempt by the gender ideologists - even though it has its usefulness in undermining some of their claims. "Sex roles" are also a cultural construct.

I cannot think of another language that has two words for the same thing, sex/gender.

Meanwhile the Fringe Ohio GOP is banning Trans Athletes (even participation)...And Ohio is following it up with a state BAN on voter rights--limiting voting boxes from counties...The 2024 steal is happening right now. Future President DeSantis and his Veep Marjorie Taylor Greene must be happy...Wait and See....

Meanwhile, CeCe Telfer, 6 foot 2 former member of the Franklin Pierce University men's track and field team, has been foiled in his attempt to compete as a woman at the Olympics for having too much testosterone.

The World Athletics body must be crazed Republicans.

R37 = Trans Athletes are the LEAST of our worries.

[quote]Trans Athletes are the LEAST of our worries.

They are equally a worry.

You're pathetic, r38. First of all, I'm not American. Second, this is a separate issue from whatever the Republicans are doing in other areas. Transwomen are not women and the notion of "gender identity" is bullshit. As a woman, this garbage is a threat to me and a huge worry. So, go fuck yourself and stop trying to muddy the waters with the false narrative that only Republicans have a problem with trans demands.