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A Fat Girl’s Diatribe Against the Theatre Community

by Abigail Mowbray, Guest Editorial, Onstage Blog

The theatrical industry is, on the surface, seen as an inclusive environment full of openly accepting members who desire to experience the same kind of public appreciation an eighth-grade version of myself so desperately craved. As a young artist, it has only taken me less than a handle of auditions and feedback to realize that theatre was not the fat girl’s sport.

If you speak to the choreographer, they’d say that it’s visually unappealing to have an uneven amount of “heavier” people on the stage than the other. If you speak to the costume designer, they say that it’s more difficult to create flattering costumes for the “common figure” a fat girl carries. If you look in the ensemble of a majority of running musicals, you will rarely find anyone that doesn’t fit an “average” body type to the production staff’s discretion.

The mentality that fat girls are not an acceptable “type” of a performer not only infiltrates the professional and community circles but has now trickled into high school theatre as well.

During my high school’s production of Thoroughly Modern Millie, where I was playing Miss Dorothy, we were learning the steps for the “Nutcracker Suite,” and the choreographer mapped out a lift in the middle of the dance break involving myself and Millie where we both sit on our male cast members’ shoulders. After multiple attempts to master the lift, the choreographer looked at me, in front of the entire cast, and says “Can we get a smaller girl over here?”

Because two high school boys couldn’t carry a 175 lbs curvaceous junior in high school, the choreographer chose to replace me with the smallest female member of the ensemble cast.

After experiencing similar treatment with the costuming department during measurements and costume fittings, I was fed up. Once the choreographer ran the lift with my replacement, I looked at her and said “Replacing me with the tiniest actress in our company does absolutely nothing for my confidence. I hope you’re happy with the decision you’ve made of compromising the integrity of your actor’s performance instead of your choreography.”

Once I made such a bold statement, I walked out of the rehearsal space into the dressing room where I was tracked down by the director and calmed down to re-enter the stage.

While the aforementioned example seems like petty high school drama, situations even more extreme happen every day in conference rooms surrounded by production teams of people that don’t live up to the external expectations they hold their anticipated cast members to. I feel like the theatrical industry is no place for a fat girl because a fat girl isn't what the public wants- at what least the paying public wants. Well, I’m sick and tired of it.

I’m tired of being typecast as the “fat best friend”.

We, the “fat girls” of the theatre community no longer desire to be quieted by being thrown roles like “Tracy Turnblad” in Hairspray or “Bridget” in Bring It On. We ask for the opportunity to portray every actress's dream role. Here’s to fat “Elphaba’s” in Wicked, fat “Christine’s” in Phantom of the Opera, and fat “Reginas” in Mean Girls.

Is that asking too much?

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 226Last Friday at 8:40 AM

Melissa Beth, is that you?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 105/11/2021

Who cares about these theater freaks and their blog posts?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 205/11/2021

[quote]Because two high school boys couldn’t carry a 175 lbs curvaceous junior in high school, the choreographer chose to replace me with the smallest female member of the ensemble cast.

The director spared you the embarrassment that would have resulted had the audience seen those boys struggle to carry you on their shoulders, Miss Curvaceous.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 305/11/2021

[quote] Here’s to fat “Elphaba’s” in Wicked, fat “Christine’s” in Phantom of the Opera, and fat “Reginas” in Mean Girls.

[quote] Is that asking too much?

Yes, toots, it is.

Christine Daae is a dancer with the opera ballet in the 19th century; Regina George is the most popular and sexually desirable girl at her high school.

They are not fat girls and would seem ridiculous if they were.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 505/11/2021

She could always play Tracy Turnblad. Or Effie White.

Or Ethel Toffelmeier, the pianola girl!

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 705/11/2021

Can we get a smaller girl over here? Bwaaahaaaahaaaa.

It's a safety issue. We don't need OSHA in here raiding us.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 805/11/2021

To her credit, she got a blog before DL told her to...

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 905/11/2021

Men (the phantom in this case) don't become obsessed stalk fat women. Get used to it. (and there's a great role in Phantom for a large woman so take that one.)

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 1105/11/2021

What bizarre bit of wokeness now has overweight actresses acting like Rosa Parks and demanding to be cast in roles where one might be used to seeing someone with a lovely figure?

How did they miss the "aspirational" allure of stage and screen shows where people enjoy seeing beautiful people! Show biz ain't some sort of taxpayer-funded fairness enterprise where the inclusion of obese women is strictly mandated by "fairness" and "representation"?! Many actors and actresses work like hell to maintain a nice figure and don't sit on their fat behinds eating Funyons all day!

Why does anyone think they're owed something?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 1205/11/2021

Speak for yourself, R10.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 1305/11/2021

[quote]As a young artist, it has only taken me less than a handle of auditions and feedback to realize that theatre was not the fat girl’s sport.

You mean she REALLY didn't know this already? Wow.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 1405/11/2021

[quote]I’m tired of being typecast as the “fat best friend”.

[quote]Is that asking too much?

I guess asking you to wake up and join reality and go on a fucking diet is asking waaay too much, right?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 1505/11/2021

[quote] Because two high school boys couldn’t carry a 175 lbs curvaceous junior in high school, the choreographer chose to replace me with the smallest female member of the ensemble cast.

Did she want them to drop her? Injure themselves? This is a ridiculous complaint. If they couldn't lift her, they couldn't lift her,* and obviously, the director was not going to risk actual bodily damage to a performer in order to spare this blogger some damage to her ego. *Hey, maybe the boys were 90-pound weaklings who could have been replaced by bigger, stronger cast members, but if that were the case, she should have said so.

I don't know shit about the characters and plot of Phantom, but I agree with r4 about Regina George. No, she wouldn't work as a fat girl. Being skinny and conventionally attractive are qualities pretty much inherent to being a high school mean girl. Hell, the whole idea behind a "mean girl" is you are liked for your looks and image regardless of how awful your personality. Fat girls, in a teenager's eyes, do not have that kind of looks and image.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 1605/11/2021

This is like when they did that awful TV reboot of "Heathers" and they made Heather into a fat trans SJW.

It just doesn't make any sense.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 1705/11/2021

This guest editor on that blog wants more inclusion for asexuals.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 1805/11/2021

[quote] I feel like the theatrical industry is no place for a fat girl because a fat girl isn't what the public wants- at what least the paying public wants.

Oh honey, it's so good you're realizing this now!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 1905/11/2021

To be fair, the choreographer could have eliminated the lift.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 2005/11/2021

I apologize on behalf of the Ample Community.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 2105/11/2021

I'd like to kick this fat girl right in the cunt, but it's probably where she keeps her pot of BBQ sauce for dipping.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 2205/11/2021

To be fair, those casting opportunities really should be going to Trans POC and to suggest otherwise would be LITERAL VIOLENCE.

Back to the issue at hand. If you don’t want to be the fat girl then stop being the fat girl. And stop being upset that people wouldn’t want to pay to see you, it’s their money and their eyeballs. Furthermore, stop trying to be the lead because you’re not lead material. No one should be forced to slow down just because you can’t keep up.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 2305/11/2021

I sympathize with her feeling excluded and unwanted because of her weight. There are however countless women in theatre who are not naturally thin but work their asses off to keep in shape. Maybe they have forgone junk food, or they wake up at 6 in the morning to exercise or they count every calorie they put in their bodies - my point is it would be unfair to such people to give roles that they worked so hard for away to someone unqualified just to be politically correct. Where do you draw the line? That's something to wonder about.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 2405/11/2021

[quote]Is that asking too much?

A question she asks every time she's in the buffet line for the ninth time at Golden Corral.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 2505/11/2021

R19 there also must be something intrinsically wrong with the audiences. They must be re-educated, quick!

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 2705/11/2021

Has it not occurred to her that had she been allowed to be hefted by two struggling teenaged boys, the audience would have thought it was hilarious? She was likely spared humiliation by being replaced.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 2805/11/2021

R16 agreed. The amount of entitlement necessary... It would be dangerous and stupid to lift someone the way a slim dancer would be lifted, for both. How can you disregard others' health you actively endanger? Feelings were hurt? Sounds better than a slipped disc to me.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 2905/11/2021

Barbara Cook wrote about "looking decidedly more zaftig than the ideal Broadway ingenue. Whenever my nerves ... got the better of me I'd order a sack full of those little White Castle hamburgers. The next night I'd do the same. I was a little too big to begin with, and I started getting bigger. And then I heard about a doctor who could help ... and I was introduced to Dexedrine."

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 3005/11/2021

[quote]I feel like the theatrical industry is no place for a fat girl because a fat girl isn't what the public wants- at what least the paying public wants.

She certainly sandwiched this morsel of truth between ample padding of extended whinging.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 3105/11/2021

"The theatrical industry is, on the surface, seen as an inclusive environment full of openly accepting members..."

Where the hell did she get the idea that the theater industry is inclusive and accepting???

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 3205/11/2021

She and Man 6 from "Hamilton" should form their own acting company.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 3305/11/2021

I’m sorry that she’s fat, but she’s chosen to make her living in a business that depends on putting asses in seats. The fact that most paying customers would rather see (all else being equal, with exceptions for specific roles) in-shape people rather than fat doughy people does not constitute some injustice being done to fat people. Producers have bills to pay, and casting fatsos as Romeo & Juliet is probably a good bankruptcy strategy.

There’s always fat-centric porn, if she really wants to monetize her flab.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 3405/11/2021

OP's link made me think this was going to be a thread about men with long skinny dicks and weird balls harassing young girls. Then I read the headline...

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 3605/11/2021

Christ, that blog posted by R18 is absurd.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 3705/11/2021

She may feel she deserves the lead in Wicked, but there’s no fucking chance of her Defying Gravity.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 3805/11/2021

Stop being so fucking fat. It’s nothing to feel good about. Being overweight is unhealthy.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 3905/11/2021

I would like to see her as "Gigi".

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 4005/11/2021

This her? She's no MBM

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 4105/11/2021

Some people see beautiful, curvy women bravely promoting self-acceptance. I see ill-disciplined, slovenly hogs who can't stop eating and refuse to exercise.

Who's right? It doesn't matter, but I will not pay to see obese women on magazine covers, fashion runways, or as leading ladies.

The theatre is not there so she can "experience the same kind of public appreciation an eighth-grade version of myself so desperately craved". That she thinks that it is is problematic and entitled as fuck.

Her colleagues probably work their asses off staying in shape. What's her problem? Lose the weight or stfu.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 4205/12/2021

It does sound as if she has accepted reality, R42, although she does not like it.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 4305/12/2021

If she acts as badly as she writes, that may be a weightier (pun fully intended) explanation for her lack of success.

"A HANDLE of auditions"? "An AMOUNT of “heavier” people"?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 4405/12/2021

r44 I like collective nouns. Perhaps a rebuff of auditions and a blubber of heavier people?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 4505/12/2021

She’s embarrassing herself with petulant whingeing.

Though I feel her pain. I’m not obese but I am painfully shy, awkward and somewhat autistic. It was made clear to me when studying theatre for BA that, no matter my interest and enthusiasm for acting, these traits rendered me unsuitable for a career in stage performance (really, only Daryl Hannah & Liv Tyler have ever made that work). This upset me, but I came around to the idea that it was realistic and sound advice coming from a place of tough love. Trying to make it in the business being as I am would have ended in bitter tears, at best.

Looking back, I say “fair enough, and thanks for telling me before I had to find out the hard way in my own.” Turns out I’m a born writer/conceptual researcher, and far more interested in music than plays or film in any event. Sometimes criticism is benevolent, and meant to guide you back to your path.

There’s other life to live, and hundreds of other jobs in the Arts that don’t call for being looked at and living up to a certain physical standard type. Anyway, the market for actors is oversaturated, so there’ll be less competition for other work where creative minds are sorely needed.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 4605/12/2021

If she transitions she'll be accepted everywhere and she can eat to her heart's content.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 4705/12/2021

She’s not much fatter than half the women in those photos at r41, though.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 4805/12/2021

Isn't it part of the story of Mean Girls that Regina is tricked to gain weight ? That doesn't work if she's already fat.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 4905/12/2021

Was this written by DL icon Melissa L. Miller??

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 5005/12/2021

NO ONE has asked why OP's image depicts an enormous penis?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 5105/12/2021

R51 See R35

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 5205/12/2021

Did nobody direct this fat girl to improv?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 5305/12/2021

Performance Art is her calling.

For some reason, all my former Performance Art tutors were noticeably plus-sized Americans. And every performance artists out there is either anorexic-looking or obese.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 5405/12/2021

This is my bias, I know, but I can't stand overweight dancers. They are just not graceful. Gravity is REAL, people!

On Stage Blog reads like a Social Justice parody.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 5505/12/2021

Be a comedienne; fat girls seem to do well in this role & they're used to being funny

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 5605/12/2021

The director definitely could've been more discreet by speaking to her directly, instead of doing that in front of everyone. They messed up by casting her in a role in the first place. I'm not saying those boys should've had to lift her because that's ridiculous, but it would be like the cheer coach picking a 175lb flyer ahead of time, as if size doesn't factor into the role.

She could've had a good point if she didn't use that as an example. I feel for younger women/ girls these days because there's something environmental causing heaviness. The only reason it has become more noticeable in girls, is biological differences. Females hold more fat by design. Idk if I'd birth control (they push that on young girls before having sex), food, lifestyle, or what, but something is going on because weight aside, people have gotten larger in general, in a short time span (look at averages in height from 50-100 yrs ago. Look at the size of babies born.)

I know people bring up estrogen and it's blame is on food hormones, but there's a chemical in plastic that mimics estrogen [bisphenol A (BPA)] and leaks into food, drink, and the ground. Unfortunately it's rarely discussed.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 5705/12/2021

[Quote]Was this written by DL icon Melissa L. Miller??

L????? It's B. For Beth, you damn fool!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 5805/12/2021

I can feel sympathy for her. Everyone’s quick to judge someone’s weight. People are built differently and we need to recognize that.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 5905/12/2021

R20 This isn't fair to anyone and prioritizes the fat girl's emotional needs above all else.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 6005/12/2021

R59 I'm short and it is an essential part of who I am to play professional basketball.

I demand that the entire world change.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 6105/12/2021

R20 Why not bring in a third guy to try to lift her? Use wires? A forklift painted pink?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 6205/12/2021

I can solve the Mean Girls role. Set it in a fat camp!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 6305/12/2021

R17 Martha Dumptruck gets the last laugh in HEATHERS.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 6405/12/2021

Isn’t there an overweight supporting female character in HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL, or am I imagining that? She is a breakdancer or something, iirc.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 6505/12/2021

Showbiz, even theater is not fair. It’s a tough brutal enterprise with little room onstage for unattractive or fat people. That’s just the way it is. Oh yes, nobody owes you stardom.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 6605/12/2021

Broadway doesn't go for booze and dope and adipose tissue!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 6705/12/2021

Theatre and movies are about giving beauty and fantasy to the public. Handsome men for the ladies to sigh over and gorgeous women for the men. You cannot change what people find attractive.

Next, fat women are going to tell designers they need to hire fat women for the runway...thus defeating the purpose of it altogether which is to make the clothes look good and sell the dream to the buyers (rich skinny women).

It occurred to me a few times reading it could be a parody.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 6805/12/2021

R20 Change the piece to suit the performer? Why have dancers at all? Just have a bunch of fat girls on stage, eating or something.

Isn’t the point of theatre to show talented people who can perform the role better than anyone else? If it’s a dance role requiring lifting, you need someone who can perform.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 6905/12/2021

It sounds like this Gen Z chick is going to terrorize the world more than a millennial. Have a twinkie.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 7005/12/2021

Someone has to work front of house and honestly, wouldn’t she feel happier behind the counter of the concession stand?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 7105/12/2021

I'm still laughing about "Chrissie Metz IS Peter Pan!"

There seems to be a general assault on standards.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 7205/12/2021

Toughen up cupcake. I once lost the role of Merlin in "Camelot" because I was too much like Endora. When I then auditioned for the bit part of Knight 2, I didn't walk manly enough, so that didn't happen either. Everybody can't be everything.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 7305/12/2021

The fat girl's rant about theatre raises a few points about the unreal fantasies about life that now afflict post-modern First World civilisation: the increasingly common assumption that there are no limits to what anyone can do if they only put their minds to it, that old age can be denied, and that death is "optional".

Another is that lowering the bar to excellence to make everyone feel good isn't bad, but rewarding those who show excellence for it is bad.

This is particularly true in the arts, where the claim of "subjectivity" can be used more easily to bend otherwise obvious boundaries. E.g., classical ballet is a ruthless discipline and the competition fierce. I'm sure this girl also thinks there is no reason in the world why someone like her shouldn't get the lead in "Giselle" - the fact that the eponymous heroine is frail and dies of a broken/failing heart in the first act, and that in the second act she appears as a wraith who has to appear to float over the stage, and whose partner has to lift her over his head several times and do a great deal of partnering and carrying, is immaterial. This girl would say we're just not used to seeing dancers who look like her in those sorts of parts.

The argument that a big heavy girl who weighs 175lbs, is 1) simply unsuited to producing the illusion required by the part, and 2) will require an Olympic bodybuilder as a partner, will be rejected. Even taller ballet dancers with the otherwise required "look" are usually not given the lead in "Giselle" - instead, very good slightly taller dancers are more often give Myrtha, the imperious malign Queen of the Wilis, of the second act - she has to have an aura of command, and her opening solos are extremely demanding.

It's the way the thing works.

The push toward lowering all bars to be "inclusive" is poor preparation for real life, which, once out of now artificially calibrated education systems, will often say NO when you want YES. Disappointment is the lot of us all as we move through life - including encountering producers, directors, casting directors, etc., in an arena in which, if you aren't Maggie Smith (who was far from classically pretty), or someone else so similarly talented they will never be overlooked, you will always encounter rejection.

The smart thing for the girl to do is to stop trying to argue that looks means nothing in the arena she wants to succeed in, acknowledge reality, and initiate a campaign to eliminate at least one barrier to getting parts. Weight and toning up are, after all, manageable issues. If she refuses to do acknowledge this and try to accommodate it, she'll go on failing to get leading roles.

Despite all the fracas about standards changing, the fact is, the era we are living in is an intensely visual one.

Some people are prettier than others; some people have higher IQs than others; some people are born with gifts that most people aren't (paging Mozart); some really ARE a bit more talented than others. In some arenas there is no way to evade this, for instance, musicians and ballet dancers). You don't get top marks at the Royal Academy of Music in violin unless you can really play the stuff. And you don't get the lead in Giselle and Swan Lake if you weigh 175lbs.

But in films and theater, it's easier to make claims of discrimination. In this case, we're talking about a high school production where the dangers of injury have to be considered - the two high school boys are unlikely to have been trained in the technique of lifts the way young male dancers are at the Royal Ballet School, where lifts and partnering are important aspects of classical ballet training for men and starts well before their rehearsals for their very first time as Albrecht in Giselle.

But there are limits, and there are boundaries, and life is unfair. It seldom treats us as well as we feel we deserve.

The current rush to coddle and wrap in cotton wool to shelter against very real realities does not do young people any favours.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 7405/12/2021

Gurl, if you’re still fat after burning calories by practicing months of musical rehearsals something is terribly wrong and it’s not them, it’s YOU.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 7505/12/2021

Life upon the wicked stage ain’t nothing what a cow supposes. 🎭

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 7705/12/2021

The theater IS inclusive! She would make a fabulous stage hand, or lighting technician!

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 7905/12/2021

Honey, just try out for Hairspray. It's your only shot.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 8105/12/2021

This thread is a convergence of some of DL's favorite subjects: fat people, insufferable theatre people/actors & Gen X entitlement. The only thing that would've made it better is if the Harkles had weighed on this subject (though Megs, no doubt, hates fatties!)

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 8205/12/2021

Boo fucking Hoo

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 8305/12/2021

"Change the piece to suit the performer? Why have dancers at all? Just have a bunch of fat girls on stage, eating or something.

Isn’t the point of theatre to show talented people who can perform the role better than anyone else? If it’s a dance role requiring lifting, you need someone who can perform."

It's fucking HIGH SCHOOL, moron, not ABT.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 8405/12/2021

"She types fat" troll where are you?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 8505/12/2021

There is a solution to this terrible problem that affects millions:

Lose. Weight.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 8705/12/2021

No one gives a fuck about a fat pig theater actress. Beat it Petunia.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 8905/12/2021

This girl's lament about her high school experience reminded me of this.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 9005/12/2021

[quote] & Gen X entitlement.

If she was in "Thoroughly Modern Millie" in high school, she's far too young to be Gen X. She's either a millennial or Gen Z.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 9105/12/2021

If she was in "Thoroughly Modern Millie" she'd have broken the elevator...

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 9205/12/2021

Thoroughly Morbid Millie.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 9305/12/2021

Nothing wrong with a fat mother abbess, Madame Armfelst, Aunt Eller, Mabel in "Pajama Game" (boy, could Reta Shaw dance!) or Pauline the funny maid in "No No Nanette". But a fat Maria Von Trapp, Nellie Forbush, Roxie Hart or Cassie, nope.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 9405/12/2021

R79 for the win.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 9505/12/2021

She believes she's entitled to the leads, R94.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 9605/12/2021

This feels similar to when effeminate gay man complain about not being cast as the straight romantic leads. It's not gonna happen, sweetie. Take your bitterness and go learn some comic timing so you can steal the scenes away from them in your supporting roles. Those are usually more fun anyway.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 9705/12/2021

There is plenty of compromise there, instead of fat think of casting women like Christina Hendricks who is a very attractive generously full figured woman, or someone like Lisa Howard. These are women who are on the big side, but attractive and you don't really even notice their size as much as you would someone built like Lizzo for example.

You do have to have some standards, you wouldn't hire someone with a face tattoo either unless the part called for it because otherwise it would just be distracting. Practically speaking, on the stage you don't want anyone up there that blocks too much visually from the other actors on stage or anything that might be taking place upstage. It's not like film where you can create favorable angles so the audience and see the action.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 9805/12/2021

You started off so well r82.

Then you brought that bullshit into this thread you asshole.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 9905/12/2021

Bring that badonkadonk over here, girl! I'm casting for SUNSET BUFFET!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 10005/12/2021

Lose the weight, Fatso! If you don't put in the work, you don't get the rewards - simple as that. Spend more time at the barre and less time on the hot fudge sundaes. Jesus. What's wrong with people?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 10105/12/2021

I loathe young women with monstrous appetites.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 10205/12/2021

Grooming, Abagail, grooming. It makes all the difference.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 10305/12/2021

She got the message. She's going to college to major in stage management.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 10405/12/2021

R84 Yes, dear. High School is where we LEARN. She needs to learn the world will not bend to suit her will.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 10505/12/2021

[quote]Here’s to fat “Elphaba’s” in Wicked, fat “Christine’s” in Phantom of the Opera, and fat “Reginas” in Mean Girls.

Here's to "proofreader's."

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 10605/12/2021

Ironically, perhaps the greatest hallmark of a dancer, apart from agility and artistry, is physical discipline - including the ability to control one's appetite. This tub of lard isn't a dancer.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 10705/12/2021

[quote] Where the hell did she get the idea that the theater industry is inclusive and accepting???

She mistook the theater gays’ being accepting of one another for a general attitude of universal acceptance. WRONG.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 10805/12/2021

"Where the hell did she get the idea that the theater industry is inclusive and accepting???"


by Dionysus Deliciousreply 10905/12/2021

[R74] Brilliant analysis!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 11005/12/2021

Her only hope is to be adopted by Brian Williams.

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If the theater community would merely open its eyes and realize that stardom has no weight requirements, she could star in this revival.

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Now she's starring in A CHORUS WHINE.

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Don't put your daughter on the stage, Mrs. Worthington Don't put your daughter on the stage The profession is overcrowded And the struggle's pretty tough And admitting the fact She's burning to act That isn't quite enough

She has nice hands Give the wretched girl her due But don't you think her bust is too Developed for her age? I repeat, Mrs. Worthington Sweet Mrs. Worthington Don't put your daughter on the stage Regarding yours Dear Mrs. Worthington Of Wednesday the twenty-third Although your baby May be keen on a stage career How can I make it clear This is not a good idea? For her to hope Dear Mrs. Worthington Is, on the face of it, absurd Her personality Is not, in reality Exciting enough Inviting enough For this particular sphere

Don't put your daughter on…

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[quote] Dance 3, Looks 0

More like Dance 3, Weight 300

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 11805/12/2021

[quote]I know people bring up estrogen and it's blame is on food hormones, but there's a chemical in plastic that mimics estrogen [bisphenol A (BPA)] and leaks into food, drink, and the ground. Unfortunately it's rarely discussed.

Oh, for Christ's sake they never shut the hell UP about that bullshit! It has ZERO to do with the topic, of course. People are overweight from eating too much, not "hormones" and glyphosate, and all the rest of that bullshit.

Back to your Vegan Mommyblog where you'll be seen as a true sage!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 11905/12/2021

[quote]there's a chemical in plastic that mimics estrogen [bisphenol A (BPA)] and leaks into food, drink, and the ground. Unfortunately it's rarely discussed.

It's discussed more than the fact that high sugar food is more plentiful and readily available than ever before, it's a US cultural norm to carry drinks and snacks everywhere, and people get less physical exercise than at any point in history. Nonstop eating, supersizing, snacking, and "refueling" are all 20th Century phenomena made possible by the obvious industrial scale food production chain. Oddly enough, the obesity epidemic is also a 20th Century phenomenon.

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Put that snack purse down, Mary!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 12105/13/2021

R120 Don’t forget that not only is there too much food, but parents and teachers are FORBIDDEN to make comments, discipline or discourage one’s weight. It’s all about “better choices”, not calling your kid a lard ass. My mom called me a lard ass at 13 I had a 33” waist and dropped the weight over that summer because of it.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 12305/13/2021

Don't be so negative, Abby! There's lots of shows with roles for you:








and of course


by Dionysus Deliciousreply 12405/13/2021

Straight plays have more variety of body types than musical theatre. I saw a tour of Evita with a fat guy in the chorus for Buenos Aires and it was distracting - choruses are typically a bit more uniform. Being bigger leads to moving a bit differently. A fat Juan Peron I wouldn't have any issue with.

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I want to be a fat girl and have a hot muscled man stalk me and tenderly count my fat rolls each night!

I want him to use the weight of my body for developing his firm muscles while I eat all the chocolate I want!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 12705/13/2021

I can't stop being fat because it's impossible to not be hungry. Food is necessary and nothing gratifies like food.

Not even dick. Not even dick

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 12805/13/2021

With the demand for " diverse" casting, she could now get more opportunities, since black men are known to be attracted to overweight women.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 12905/13/2021

Hook up with some talented, chubby chasing composer-lyricist and have him write a new musical just for you. "Funny Fat Girl." Might even open doors for the many others like you. Very large doors.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 13005/13/2021

Show of hands. How many of you see this thumbnail as some silhouette for some fat bitch with a dick waving in her face?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 13105/13/2021

What about "All of Her"? It has several big numbers. "Food Glorious Food", "As long as he kneeds Dough", "Where is Cake?", and "Who Will Sell" (me boxes of chocolate).

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 13205/13/2021

Because professional, competitive theater, which is based on audience expectations and revenue demands, now exists to let the dreams of people with addictive behaviors and related disorders achieve their dreams.

Sorry, Flabby.

Do you ask too much? Yes.

Is your screed a sign of your disorders?

Of course.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 13305/13/2021

There have been shows that showcase the PLIGHT of fat women such as DIETLAND and one on Hulu called SHRILL.

Both shows STINK however.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 13405/13/2021

There’s a place for people like OP and it’s called STAGE MANAGEMENT.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 13505/13/2021

The revival of "Hello Dolly!" had a chubby Minnie Fay who was actually a very good dancer. Her character becomes involved with Barnaby, but in this production, his character was gayer than the original Cornelius, Charles Nelson Reilly.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 13605/13/2021

Happily married here, there have been times that dessert has definitely been better than dick.

That Creme Brûlée I had in a Parisienne cafe last year was better than ANY cinnamon-skinned Latino I had cajoled off of Christopher St., dear.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 13705/13/2021

I'm inspired to write a show for our Abby. Working title is Zaftig Follies.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 13805/13/2021

A fat Phyllis in Follies could be funny.

Eat you, eat you, how could I eat you?

Jelly is juicy but horribly drab....

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 13905/13/2021

It's been tried...

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And of course, GREASE.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 14105/13/2021

R127, you sound like a stunning & brave Laydee.

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R141, that was magnificent.

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Without delving into the psychological/perceptual reason why, the fact of the matter is that "fat" tends to play as comedic in a theatrical setting - as does the contrast between fat and thin (Laurel and Hardy). If you want people to see past your weight then lose it. Convincing people that they have no control over their bodies and that a new variant on Affirmative Action must therefore be created for them to "participate in the world" is both perverse and cruel. And it's aesthetically repellent.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 14505/13/2021

R143 why thank you. It took me an hour and was totally purposeless, but I enjoyed myself and I’m glad you enjoyed it too.

Apparently my autistic compulsion to make lists and my corny sense of wordplay Yuma came to something after all.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 14605/13/2021

^^and also, I learned from the best😉

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Damn, and now I just thought of more—STENT, FR-AIDA, and STARLIGHT EXPESS DELIVERY. There’s no stopping this train!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 14805/13/2021

The Minnie Fay in the Dolly revival (fat assed Beanie Fieldstein) was horrible, exactly what you'd expect a fat girl who needs attention to be- loud, braying, obnoxious, and enamored of her own talents when no one else is. When I saw it, I booed her.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 14905/13/2021

The OP thread title gets so much funnier when you read it as, ‘A Fat Girl’s DiEtribe...’

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 15105/13/2021

Has she learned tips on how to be anorexic from Tess Holiday yet?

I have to laugh at her description of herself as 175 lbs “curvaceous”, as if to set herself apart of rest of the round mounds of fatties. I also don’t think she weighs 175 lbs, but more than that. Every fat person that I know, including my patients, vastly underestimate their weight. If she sats she’s 175 lbs you better believe she’s closer to 200 lbs.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 15205/13/2021

^^^meant to write she says shes 175 lbs

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 15305/13/2021

R152, you eat a double cheeseburger instead of a triple. And Diet Coke if you must!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 15405/13/2021

[quote] R 141 sure knows how to run a good thing into the ground.

COPENHAGEN-DASZ redeems all. I snorted.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 15505/13/2021

Sorry honey chile. The stage is NO PLACE for the fat.

Let me cheer you up with a joke:

What do fat people do in the summer?


Sorry. ZERO sympathy. You make your choice each time you pick up a fork. Fucking DEAL with it.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 15605/13/2021

The whining woman.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 15705/13/2021

She's not even that big. She's no DL Fave MBM.

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[quote] The theatrical industry is, on the surface, seen as an inclusive environment

Wrong. The theatre is dog-eat-dog, just like most industries.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 15905/13/2021

She is clearly in denial about her anorexia.

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[quote] the Theatre Community

Mr and Mrs Bertolt Brecht had a 'theatre community' half a century ago and it was dead boring to watch.

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Bitch Got a Problem with me?

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R119 Couldn't have been more off with your assumption about me. It's more that I find it odd that with my lifestyle, I'm not 300lbs or more, but other people that do things better than me on paper, are so overweight. If it all came down to simple diet and exercise, I better submit myself to science ASAP for maintaining a BMI of 20 my entire life, but eating whatever I want, with rarely any type of excercise. That's where my empathy stems from, because I've always been told it's unfair and I'm fully aware of my luck in that department.

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LOL, R1. The minute I saw this thread, I thought of DL icon Melissa. We laughed, but didn't Melissa get the lead in a Subway commercial. She showed us and I am pretty proud of her.

This big fat girl should take a page from Melissa's book. If not, I know a place where she is wanted.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 16605/13/2021

Let me repeat-


Most working performers do everything they can to create a demand for whatever qualities they have to offer. Deciding to whine and stay fat is certainly doing it the hard way!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 16705/13/2021

Fatties, asexuals, mopes of assorted quirks and allegiances need to FUCK RIGHT OFF in this instance. Theater was never meant to be necessarily inclusive; notice the perpetual unpopularity of mime for the blind.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 16805/13/2021

All actors love to believe that they could play any role, but EVERY actor has limited options due to their appearance, age, sex, body shape, height, etc.

Brad Pitt may dream of one day playing Regina George in Mean Girls, but he'd never get hired to play that role. And he not right for the vast majority of other acting parts. It's the same case for every actor.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 16905/13/2021

[quote] All actors love to believe that they could play any role—

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 17105/13/2021

It's hard to believe that asexual nonsense at r18 isn't a parody, yet it's clearly not. What's to even say about an asexual character? How many theatergoers are dying to see a show about someone NOT having sex?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 17205/13/2021

Her hair looks like the OCedar spin mop I just used to wipe up chihuahua pee.

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I've thought of another way of looking at this. Not one she'd particularly like, but...No one expects this woman to run 3 miles in 20 minutes either. Nor will you ever hear her complaining that nobody wants her as a track athlete...because she's heavy. It's because she thinks she wants to be in the thin roles, even though she's heavy. Maybe she should try the 3 mile run. It might be a means to gain the theatrical acceptance she craves.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 17505/14/2021

I always thought the theatre biz was cutthroat, not “inclusive.”

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 17605/15/2021

She's perfect for a role in "Camelot": the camel!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 17705/15/2021

....or the "lot."

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 17805/15/2021

This bitch needs to watch All About Eve.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 17905/15/2021

A fat Eve Harrington.

Too many milk shakes?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 18005/16/2021

She should have gone into opera.

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All I hear is


sprinkled with


by Dionysus Deliciousreply 18205/16/2021

R161, the "Caucasian Chalk Circle" and "Mother Courage and Her Children" were not boring!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 18305/16/2021

"Mother Courage" is INCREDIBLY boring!

At which college theater department's black box did you just direct a production of "Mother Courage"?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 18405/16/2021

I left a performing arts course only 2 years ago, you'd be surprised by how many people are blind to things such as appropriate casting. Ugly girls going for the lead or overweight girls thinking they were sexy, the guys in general seemed to have a better understanding of the types of roles they fit into.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 18505/16/2021

If it was just one course, it is not surprising that they do not get it. But it is even worse for those who go into conservatories or college programs. You would think that after the first course or two they would get it. But they remain deluded for the whole time.

This is like that guy cast as Man 6 in Hamilton. That should have told him that the producers did not think he was right for a lead, but he expected to get promoted over people from outside the cast who auditioned for for the leads.

There is a mentality now that theater and casting should follow the same rules as corporations.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 18605/16/2021

If she's worried about criticism, sometimes a diet is the best defense.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 18705/16/2021

I would like to see this title- A Fat Girl's Diatribe Against DONUTS.

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[quote] "Mother Courage" is INCREDIBLY boring! At which college theater department's black box did you just direct a production of "Mother Courage"?

LOL, r184, my college theater department actually did stage a black box production of "Mother Courage," and yes, it is an incredibly boring play.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 18905/16/2021

'Mother Courage' is boring.

'The Good Woman of Setzuan is boring.

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I'm 5'5 and not very coordinated. But I want to be in the NBA! Why doesn't the NBA accept me! I identify as a basketball player!

See how ridiculous this sounds

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 19105/16/2021

Fatty, fatty two by four, can't fit through the theater door.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 19205/17/2021

R61 R191 Can you repeat that again one more?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 19305/17/2021

She's a result of the "trophy for everything" generation. It's a shame she ate hers.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 19405/17/2021

Her trophy was made of pure milk chocolate.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 19505/17/2021

Is there a picture of the chubby thespian?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 19605/17/2021

At R41 and 103.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 19705/17/2021

Here's one DL icon who always understood the importance of keeping trim! And marrying well so one can work in the theatre as long as one feels like it...or not.

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"Presently she is in her third year of the MFA program in Dramaturgy at Columbia University, writing her thesis on making theater in suburban communities." Jesus...

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 19905/17/2021

People don't like watching fat people dance. It's very repetitive.

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[QUOTE] Replacing me with the tiniest actress in our company does absolutely nothing for my confidence. I hope you’re happy with the decision you’ve made of compromising the integrity of your actor’s performance instead of your choreography.”

what junior high schooler talks like this?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 20105/17/2021

R199 did "making theatre in suburban communities" used to be called "community theatre"?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 20205/17/2021

She sounds like Irene Sharaff when Kidd went to her to complain about the train of Streisand's dress in the Hello Dolly number getting in the way of the choreography. Sharaff was like well why don't you just change the choreography?

This was of course solved by having the train simply vanish when Streisand needed to dance thereby maintaining both the integrity of the dress(sort of) and the choreography.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 20305/17/2021

Snackmaker, snackmaker, make me a snack, find me a pie, whip up a batch...

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It's been done...

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Can't wait to read her column after she's weighed at the airport.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 20605/18/2021

She could play Madame Thenardiar for the rest of her life.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 20705/18/2021

Is she going to take Christy Metzs roles?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 20805/18/2021

When I first glanced at her byline I thought it said, “by Abigail Mowbray, Guest Editorial, Onstage Blob.”

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 20905/18/2021

R202 "community theatre" is a euphemism for amateur theatre.

The only audiences for amateur theatre are the parents, family and the unemployed who get free tickets.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 21005/18/2021

I'm discriminated against, too, because no one will allow me my dream of being a jockey in the Kentucky Derby!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 21105/18/2021

She should go yell at Wendy Wasserstein or Paula Vogel. In the meantime, have a salad with dressing on the side or develop a coke addiction like the rest of us.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 21205/18/2021

But Carrie, you were addicted to coke AND you were quite fat too. Who can keep up?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 21305/18/2021

The dumb punchline: she’s an average, unremarkable actress with no real talent. This is her way of getting attention and marketing herself.

The dumber punchline: we’re falling for it.

The shittiest part of all: she’s not actually fat.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 21405/19/2021

Maybe she can audition for the revival of "My Mother The Car". She can call herself Edsel.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 21505/25/2021

[quote]The shittiest part of all: she’s not actually fat.

The saddest punchline: fat PR is working and people have started to believe that that is not fat...

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 21605/25/2021

People are grifting left and right on identity suppression issues. What terrible times we live in.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 21705/26/2021

While she may not be fat she's a bit "doughy', not your typical rail thin starlet, for someone in theater there's not a lot of pics of her.

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 21805/26/2021

She FAT!

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 21905/26/2021

Is she still fat? Has anyone checked in?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 220Last Thursday at 1:34 AM

The problem with this is that she is probably more likely to be cast fat. She is pretty vanilla and would be just another vanilla actress if she was thin. Broadway is littered with actresses that decided to drop weight and discovered that work dried up.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 221Last Thursday at 2:16 AM

Her second name is literally ‘Mowbray’. How have you all missed that?

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by Dionysus Deliciousreply 222Last Thursday at 2:41 AM

R218 her problem isn’t fat so much as it is that hair and that face. She looks like a coarse peasant, and she still would if thin. She doesn’t have eye-catching pretty leading role looks either way, and not many people in life do. Deal.

And what’s wrong with secondary/tertiary character roles, anyway? It’s perfectly respectable to hone one’s craft in such parts, and carve out a niche as a reliable supporting cast player. By going on like this, she’s downcrying important industry workers over her own ego problems.

To borrow a metaphor from a spectator event I know enough about—in life, not everyone can be a star striker, and in fact very few people are; there’s got to be more defenders and wingers and deep-lying playmakers and holding midfielders on a team. And there’s got to be as many linesman, referees, game analysts, trainers, physios & medics, pitch custodians, nutritionists &. cooks, merch & ticket-sellers, tv pundits & radio commentators etc. to make a watchable game happen every week. And there has to be tons of fans, to make it a game worth watching in the first place. All of the people in the roles listed are equally passionate about their chosen interest, and work equally hard to make it happen; the only difference is a certain group gets (over)paid more—and that I think is the rub, isn’t it Abi?

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 223Last Thursday at 2:52 AM


She’d put out the fire and sop up the grease.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 224Last Thursday at 12:39 PM

R220 Nobody can check in because her fat ass is blocking the door so nobody inside can you even check out.

if she was playing Alice in Wonderland, she'd turn down the pill that said eat me because it was too small.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 225Last Friday at 7:58 AM

Well Angie spent her life complaining she never got the Lana Turner roles despite being a much better actress. Angie never got the point that Lana was the better star. Nobody was going to buy a movie ticket to see her.

by Dionysus Deliciousreply 226Last Friday at 8:40 AM
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