The Trial of Derek Chauvin, P3

Previous thread.

Thanks OP

Involuntary manslaughter and probation.

Guilty on manslaughter which will be overturned on appeal

I would love to hear from some criminal lawyers on the actual legal arguments, although we know the jury is a loose cannon.

R5 I’m a lawyer, though not a criminal lawyer.

I don’t see anyway he isn’t found guilty.

^ guilty of what???? 2nd? 3rd? manslaughter? they are all different.

Nixon accidentally pulled a Maxine Waters back in 1970 regarding Charles Manson. Not quite the same, but he did describe Manson as guilty before the verdict was in. Manson's defence lawyer moved for a mistrial, but was unsuccessful.

You missed one option: mistrial. And it's looking very likely in this case.

Someone reported to Court TV that when the prosecution started laying down their case, the jurors were practically squirming with pleasure. Like it's all they needed as an excuse to lock Chauvin away forever.

I can't believe the prejudice against Chauvin and the canonization of Floyd. Absolutely everyone acts like Floyd was praying in church when he was kidnapped and dragged from a truck by white supremacists.

Chauvin was convicted before the trial started. It's all a sham.

Mistrial from a hung jury. Personally I'd vote to acquit. This was a political showtrial.

R7 that's tough to say, because juries sometimes compromise to get to a verdict. Even if they all agree he needs to go to jail, they may settle on a lesser charge just to avoid a hung jury.

If I were one of the jurors I'd go with third degree. Depraved indifference to human life is obvious.

On what grounds, r9? Judge just denied it on the Maxine Waters thing.

R10 no one is acting like that fuckstick. You don't have to think Floyd is an angel to believe 4 minutes on the neck of an unconscious man is murder. You might have to be a racist to think otherwise, though.

How many years is third degree compared to second degree? If he still goes to prison for 50 years for third degree murder, I'm fine with that.

[quote]r10 no one is acting like that fuckstick. You don't have to think Floyd is an angel to believe 4 minutes on the neck of an unconscious man is murder. You might have to be a racist to think otherwise, though.

I have r10 on ignore; the lazy-ass trolling is exhausting.

R10, apparently it has to be repeated a thousand times because you haven’t heard the previous 999 times. It doesn’t matter what Floyd’s character was! He could have been the second coming of the savior, he could have been Satan himself. In this realm he has rights as a human. To not It be killed while he’s handcuffed and lying on the ground is one of them.

R16, there's some wiggle room. In MN, it's up to 40 years for 2nd, up to 25 for 3rd. I'm not sure what manslaughter carries.

r16 -- I think 3rd degree is only 10 years. I'm fine with that; won't take that long for him to "trip and fall" over a second-story cell-block railing.

I hope he gets a cellmate along the lines of this:

R10, absolute nonsense. Even bad guys have a right not to be murdered by the cops.

In that case I would go for 2nd degree. I thought 3rd was worse but I'm wrong.

It will be interesting to see how long the jury takes to arrive at a consensus. Could be a few hours all the way up to 2 weeks. I'm guessing they'll be finished sometime Wed or Thurs.

I'm not a lawyer. Not do I play one on TV, or anywhere else.

But it is my humble opinion that Chauvin needs to pay for the crime he committed. We all witnessed Floyd die on television or on our phones, computers, and tablets.

And Atty. Nelson should be given 3-6 months for attempted mass murder by legal boredom.

Confrontational is what peaceful disobedience is all about...

Sorry R7. Second degree manslaughter.

Another interesting question is what will Chauvin’s guilt do in terms of immediate effect on law enforcement?

Will the police be able to do their jobs? Will they want to? Will recruitment fall? Is the answer to send only black officer to black neighborhoods?

It will be fascinating to see.

I served a term as a grand juror in my state a few years ago, and believe me, when you get twelve random citizens in a room, at least one or two are going to be MORONS. We had two men on our panel who asked stupid questions even in the simplest, clear cut cases. And the more complex a case was, the more obstructionist they became. By the end of the term, I wanted to bash their skulls in with a baseball bat.

And bear in mind, as grand jurors, we did not render verdicts - all we had to do was determine whether a case warranted indictment or not (known as a "true bill") however in many cases we did have some latitude regarding bail and what charges were applicable.

It was a six month term and it completely changed my outlook on our justice system and the jury system. Not to mention the death penalty.

R28, was there clear video evidence in your crime, though? Even stupid jurors can understand that

I'm thinking a hung jury and a mistrial. Meaning all this was for nothing and we'll have to do it all over again.

r20, unfortunately they’ll probably keep him separated from the general prison population.

Maybe it's your city. My experience in a criminal jury pool was each of my fellow jurors if not necessarily a brain surgeon tried to be fair minded and do their duty. Very interesting experience. Similar to this case the prosecutor tried to work us up emotionally against the defendant in lieu of actually proving a crime per the requirements of the offense. Beforehand I would have thought I was above such effective manipulation, but when the jury retired to the jury too deliberate we looked at each other and asked what were we even doing there. There was just no case under the law.

It is grossly inappropriate of the White House to comment on this trial before a verdict comes in . . .

One can only hope, R31.

Either 3rd degree murder - depraved-heart murder

In a depraved-heart murder, defendants commit an act even though they know their act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to a person.

or 2nd degree manslaughter. I hadn't finished r35

I’m pretty sure Mark David Chapman, John Lennon’s killer, is kept away from general population. If Lennon’s killer is, Floyd’s killer certainly will be.

1. Skinned alive

2. Decapitated with a blunt pen knife

3. Slow -boiled

Any of these is fine with me .

3rd degree murder is up to 25 years

2nd degree manslaughter is up to 10 years.

I can think GF was a scumbag but still think Derek Chauvin was a bigger one. He seriously needs to go to prison for a lonnnng time.

If Chauvin ends up serving time, his fellow fascists in state corrections will protect him.

"4 minutes on the neck of an unconscious man is murder"

Murder is when you WANT to kill someone. We'd have to believe Chauvin thought killing some ne'er-do-well nobody (ON CAMERA!) was worth his career, reputation, retirement... life, basically. For what- the white supremacist "cause"?

You people have delusions of grandeur.

^ Speaking of delusions, 2nd degree murder in MN is defined as "without intent."

Leaning on someone's neck for 9 minutes is not a "mistake" or an "accident".

Link r33?

I did find this, which contradicts your claim:

[quote]unfortunately they'll probably keep him separated from the general prison population.

There's always at least one dirty guard you can pay to leave a few cells open and/or look the other way.

A killer cop? They'll be salivating to off that guy.

R42 makes a good point. WHY would Chaivin do that? How was it worth it? I’d really like a glimpse into his mind.

[quote] In a depraved-heart murder, defendants commit an act even though they know their act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to a person.

That would describe pretty much any instance of police trying to restrain a thug who doesn't want to be restrained and resists.

"Leaning on someone's neck for 9 minutes is not a "mistake" or an "accident"."

Because it never happened. Chauvin was doing the move that he was trained to do. There were several shots that showed his knee lift off and Floyd immediately starts thrashing again.

And Floyd's behavior was volatile; they had no idea what he was tripping on (PCP?) and if they let him flail around and injure himself- who gets blamed... and sued?

If Chauvin was distracted by an angry mob shouting at him, maybe he pressed too hard. But Floyd was not a healthy man.

[quote]Chauvin was convicted before the trial started. It's all a sham.

Yes, because the entire world watched the murder on their TV.

Police have been caught doing all kinds of heinous shit on video. They've brazenly lied despite the existence of video evidence. "Why did Chauvin do it?!" is not some existential mystery. Police lack accountability in this country, and law enforcement has been infiltrated by white supremacists from the beginning. That's a dangerous combo that often leads to precisely this kind of outcome.

Apparently R49 thinks he's dealing with a thread full of people who aren't aware of the evidence that the knee to neck hold was contrary to Chauvin's training and that it lasted nearly 4 minutes after Floyd was unconscious (i.e. not "thrashing"). But I'm sure he'll keep trying with his bullshit anyway.

Doesn't "keeping someone from general population" basically means solitary confinement? I'm pretty sure solitary confinement is even worse than torture or death. I've seen a couple of documentaries were US inmates stay 23h in their cells (without windows) and 1h in a cage outside with huge walls surrounding them (so they don't even see a tree or grass) and these people go insane.

The guy in Norway who killed dozens of children on an island filed a lawsuit bc the prison kept him away from general population and he said not seeing other inmates and no human interaction was worse than torture.

White House Press Secretary REFUSES to condemn Maxine Waters for telling BLM to be 'more confrontational' while Pelosi insists Waters shouldn't apologize because she 'wasn't inciting violence'

"But WHY would police plant evidence ON VIDEO? With WITNESSES? Again?! It's all SUCH a mystery!"

[quote]Doesn't "keeping someone from general population" basically means solitary confinement?

No. It likely means he gets his own cell, private showering/eating, and can interact with others but not close enough for anyone to hurt him. For some inmates that can be isolating, but for someone like Chauvin it will be exactly what he wants.

Solitary confinement means no interaction with anyone, no going outside, and confined to a near-total enclosure as much as 23 hours a day. It's a brutal punishment and a world of difference from protective custody.

I hope business owners across the country are boarding up. The looting and torching are going to last for a while.

When do the riots start?

We heard you the first 429,395,134 times, r58

r60 just wait until the riots start. That's all DL will be talking about.

That’s, 429,395,135 times, r61.

I don’t want this asshole in jail. I want someone to kneel on his neck until he croaks.

The longer this verdict takes to come out, the more likely there will be a hung jury. I originally thought they'd acquit because the jury pool was racist White people and/or those with relatives on the pig force, but it sounds like at least one juror is a hard convict and the others, except maybe one hold out, are soft convicts. They are probably not going to be able to reconcile such a wide divide, so this isn't going to end well. The judge being a racist piece of shit doesn't help matters either.

It's already begun.

MINNEAPOLIS — A Minnesota National Guard neighborhood security team says it was fired upon in a drive-by shooting early Sunday morning, with two guard members sustaining minor injuries.

The shooting occurred shortly before 4:20 a.m. in the Jordan neighborhood near the intersection of Penn Avenue and Broadway in northwest Minneapolis. According to a statement from the guard, a light-colored SUV fired several shots at a Minnesota Operation Safety Net team. Operation Safety Net is a joint effort among the Minneapolis Police Department, Hennepin County Sheriff's Office, the State of Minnesota and local jurisdictions.

^ The guard shouldn't even be there. If they had any ethics, they'd turn their guns on the police and the legislature that enables this racist system to stand.

His only hope was to testify...my friend, a lawyer, said a juror once told him to tell his just acquitted murder client “tell him we won’t let him get away with this again.” Jurors can be forgiving...law be damned

[quote] The guard shouldn't even be there.

Oh FUCK YOU. You may want anarchy and looting and violence, but most people do not. They don't want their neighborhoods to turn into downtown Caracas.

MN state police are assaulting and falsely arresting journalists, and the Boogaloo Bois are the only ones who have threatened riots after the Floyd verdict, but the deplorable trolls are just spinning nonstop garbage about the riots if Chauvin is acquitted.

The Black community in MN and elsewhere are not expecting a guilty verdict because they know the system too well, and they are not going to riot any more than they did after Zimmerman's acquittal (of course the racists lied and said they rioted anyway).

"Police have been caught doing all kinds of heinous shit on video."

But there's an arrest every 3 seconds in the United States- so what percentage are 'bad cops'? And is it any different than any other profession?

As a Minneapolis resident I think the Guard presence is sad but necessary. I don't want to see the city burn again. The looting is absurd. The anger needs to be channeled into political change, but it's unlikely, they just want to be destructive. Then, when no businesses want to open in their neighborhoods they bitch about that too.

Businesses won't open because of rampant theft.

If you're going to torch, Minneapolis, burn down Kenwood, Lynnhurst, Page, Fulton, etc. That'll get their attention. Make sure to burn down their secret closets full of white sheets and pointy white hats, too.

Nobody wants to live in an anarchist ghetto society.

[quote]White House Press Secretary REFUSES to condemn Maxine Waters for telling BLM to be 'more confrontational' while Pelosi insists Waters shouldn't apologize because she 'wasn't inciting violence'

And her comments will mean an automatic appeal if he is found guilty. No judge will be able to deny the appeal.

Whomever did the poll..it isn’t one or the other...he can be found guilty on all 3 charges

I can't believe they didn't come back with a verdict today. Now I'm getting very nervous. Hopefully they simply decided to wait until tomorrow to turn over the verdict since they'd already had such a long day. I won't sleep a wink.

R75 Nixon said that Charles Manson was guilty and yet the verdict was not overturned on appeal and he was the president. Maxine is a congresswoman who is not in a leadership position. For a judge to overturn a verdict and declare a mistrial for her statement alone would be an injustice worth seeing the country burn over.

I hope the National guard shoots every single person that tries to loot and destroy in the aftermath of the verdict.

Nixon wasn't nudging an army of thugs and anarchists to burn the city if they didn't like the Manson verdict. As it is those jurors must be sleeping with a gun by the bed.

Maxine needs to retire.

“Even though the judge denied the defense's motion for mistrial, he highlighted the damage her rhetoric may have done, saying "Congresswoman Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned."

Maxine Waters just screwed this up. Even if convicted the judge said she gave the defense grounds for appeal. I can't believe a judge said that in the court.

[quote] [R75] Nixon said that Charles Manson was guilty and yet the verdict was not overturned on appeal and he was the president.

Manson himself was the one who displayed the newspaper (with Nixon says guilty headline) in court. If someone else had displayed it, maybe the outcome would have been different. He was trying to create a mistrial and shouldn't be rewarded for that.

R82 he said may and experts called b.s. on it ...trump commented on it while he was in...they have freedom of speech

[quote] I can't believe a judge said that in the court.

Even a judge can state the obvious.

And yes I had forgotten it was Charlie himself who gave that information to the jury. The jury had been sequestered and would not have seen this headline without Charlie;s own action.

During a trial the behavior of The Mob is judged at a higher standard.

Charles Manson was a true POS.

Steve Schleicher can get it.

My guess is Judge Cahill is a MAGAt. He was appointed to the bench in 2007 by the former Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty

"Now I'm getting very nervous."

Gee, you're taking it all so personal and serious. How will the verdict change your life?

I'd love to have sex with Chauvin.

Me too r77

Well drawn?

There is absolutely zero chance of a mistrial's being declared over a remark, however incautious, of a politician below the position of POTUS.

And even Nixon's "verdict" was insufficient cause.

The Chauvin trial judge was waaay out of line in HIS comment, a blatant attempt to help the defense. HE SHOULD HAVE PREVIOUSLY SEQUESTERED THE JURY.

R90, Do you not live in this society?

A hung jury isn't a mistrial, r11.

Derek Chauvin imposed the death penalty on a man suspected of the victimless crime of passing a fake $20 bill---the proof of which charge is absent, a fact lost in the case.

IOW, from the git-go the three cops (3!) were disproportionately aggressive for the alleged crime.

This episode ended with Chauvin's racist rage-killing, albeit he presented a preternatural nonchalance, of a subdued and scared man, a Black man calling for his mother, hoping helplessly that his White oppressor (literally) would ease up to let him breathe.

A man knowing he was being slowly murdered. MURDERED. DEAD. ERASED FROM THIS EARTH.

Over a fake $20.

And yet there are some here, either by post or approval, who side with Chauvin.

Unbelievable.

And to hammer my point home a tad more: Derek Chauvin had a Black man humiliatingly in his power, and HE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP THAT THRILL.

r97 I have probably blocked 14 or 16 trolls on these threads. I suspect some are using sock puppets.

Punch, delete, block, don't engage.

R63 Jail is no fun and it’s years and years and years...

R98 but according to Robin di Angelo, white people have black people in their power all day, every day....it’s a powerfest of privilege and easy living for all white people!

R93 they definitely captured Nelson.

Honestly, I thought they’d deliberate for an hour or two at most.

How long have they deliberated so far? When do they reconvene today?

[Quote] Gee, you're taking it all so personal and serious. How will the verdict change your life?

🤔

I think he is guilty but can you get 12 jurors to agree. Its not like Chauvin is a young black kid from a gang.6 black jurors will vote guilty but how many of the 6 white jurors can you get.

Aside from lying about what she actually said,

Could they deliberate for 9 hours 29 mins

How long have they been deliberating?

I believe the jury will find Chauvin guilty of something but do not be surprised if they take some time. To me, the argument will be which charges apply—second or third degree murder. So don’t be surprised if they take several days—no doubt in my mind he’s guilty and it’s beyond a reasonable doubt.

r41, dunno cops aren't really liked in prison. They are seperated.

R111, If Oz has taught me anything is that you can still poison a cop in their special block---and Chris Malone with fuck me too.

^^Chris Meloni

Chris Meloni’s ass...we need a mention of it to break the tension.

The reich is really going into a conniption over this.

R111 "state corrections" refers to the corrections officers. They will protect Chauvin.

I hoped they'd have returned a verdict by now ...

Here I thought my prediction of Thursday was risky!

The verdict is being announced in one hour, r117!

Omg r118!! Thanks

Verdict soon!

Chauvin's toast.

Man, I forget what they say if it's fast like this. Guilty? Hopefully not just manslaughter...

R122 Yeah, usually a fast verdict is guilty, but we’ll see.

Less than a half day they reached a verdict and its not a hung jury and half the jury is black only means one thing. But will he be found guilty on all charges?

Like the old saying goes I hope they "throw the book at him".

The judge’s point was that the jury may have been influenced by Maxine’s comments. She encouraged people to “get confrontational” if the verdict wasn’t guilty. The jury wasn’t sequestered at that time and could have been influenced by her. Nobody can prove that they weren’t. It’s enough to get an appeal.

Chauvin is shitting his pants right now.

Good r127.

Actually it’s a pretty thin basis for an appeal R126

Is there a bigger fucking drama queen than CNN’s Sara Sidner?

Her “I know something you don’t know” style of reporting is juvenile and shit stirring.

The verdict had to be unaminous and you just know that the juror that was so upset at the beginning of the trial isn't going with anything but guilty.

OJ jury deliberated quickly too but I’m cautiously optimistic

If it were a hung jury, would it follow this procedure or would they just send a note to the judge?

R126, Works both ways: Nobody can prove that they were influenced.

Guess which they'd each swear to.

That particular appeal would be dismissed post-haste. They also could hear comments by innumerable others.

While we wait, please enjoy this video of a cockatoo dancing to MJ.

r132 completely unrelated to Chauvin, but: I recently read about the abuse Nicole suffered at OJ's hands. I knew she'd been a abused, but holy fuck, it was brutal.

I still can't believe he got away with it.

[quote]If it were a hung jury, would it follow this procedure or would they just send a note to the judge?

The jury wouldn’t be hung after less than a day. The judge would have told them to continue deliberating.

R133 A hung jury doesn't reach a verdict.

R135, That bird is the bomb! 😄

Thank you to those who responded re a hung jury.

I knew that, but my nerves have been on edge worrying that he won’t be held accountable.

R136, I'll digress with you. The police, the Garcetti justice dept, and in particular Marcia Clark made too many blunders: lack of careful handling and chain of evidence; no immediate interrogation of Simpson; allowing the car chase; no change of venue; misguided jury selection; insufficient prep of witnesses (Fuhrman and Fung), plus eliminating the one key witness who was passed in her car that evening by a speeding OJ, Jill Shively, because she sold her story to a tabloid; too many prosecutors in the broth; mind-numbing DNA testimony; unfocused closing argument.

And more.

The jury was sequestered during the trial and could watch the news everyday. So just because Maxine Waters says something one day doesn't mean they would be influenced by her any more than they could have by other items in the news including the cops that killed other black men during that time.

[quote]The jury was sequestered during the trial and could watch the news everyday.

The jury was not sequestered. They went to their own homes every night and could watch TV or go to the store or talk to relatives. They only became sequestered yesterday after closing arguments.

The jury could have taken Maxine’s statement as a threat. She basically told people to riot (“get confrontational”) if the jury didn’t deliver the verdict they wanted.

Is Vlad Boebert Jr in every damn thread?

R145 You don’t think the jurors knew the potential consequences of their verdicts going in?

OH, MY GOD!!

[quote] They went to their own homes every night and could watch TV or go to the store or talk to relatives.

Or watch Tucker Carlson, or read tweets by Jack Posobiec or read the NYPost.

[quote] She basically told people to riot (“get confrontational”) if the jury didn’t deliver the verdict they wanted.

I pray sometime in my lifetime we arrive at a place where the assumption of Black people having agency is not presumed as inherently violent.

R148 posted in the wrong thread. I was reacting to the Queen's writing-paper news.

Is the Cartoon Network covering this because CNN and MSNBC are getting on my last nerve?

GOTCHA!

GUILTY, ALL COUNTS.

FUCK YES.

Chauvin looks shocked, ha ha.

Remanded to custody. Bwahahahaha!

Quick and clean.

Putting your knee on ANYONE's neck that long will kill them.

The end.

Glad the nonsense Chauvin's reps were spewing was ignored.

Thank god.

Well done American justice.

Thank God for Darnella Frazier the young lady who filmed it. If she hadn’t, Chauvin could have gotten off.

I hope she finds peace.

Carry your phones everywhere, people.

Yes!

R165 Doonesbury!!

He was calm as could be, because his team would have warned him that for the cameras and BLM racists he would be found guilty, but they will appeal and he will pretty much get away with it, might even get a nice sum from the government for the trauma of a public trial.

ROT IN HELL is trending on Twitter

So will this verdict be sufficient to prevent rioting?

R167 you’re either batshit crazy or... yeah batshit crazy.

Wow. Your poll didn’t anticipate guilty in all three counts. The prosecution did an A+ job.

Seeing a video of a man tortured to death along with the compelling testimony of the bystanders was not denied by the jury. Good job.

GUILTY, MOFO!! FINALLY SOME JUSTICE

Kyle Griffin

[quote] Darnella Frazier was just a 17-year-old taking her 9-year-old cousin out for snacks when she stopped and filmed Derek Chauvin kneeling on George Floyd's neck.

Was it worth it though? Is Darnella really a hero? So much destruction and horror resulted from this incident.

I’m relieved. An OJ type not guilt would have been a disaster.

The "destruction and horror" was the MURDER of George Floyd.

Nah, the destruction was done to Georges body by the drugs he took and the horror was what that pregnant woman felt when he threatened her.

Racist cops better watch their step. We're all watching you.

You need to seek help and spiritual guidance when even Judge Jeanine thinks you're full of shit, R175

All Chauvin had to do was ease up.

Not even GET up; just ease up.

But he shoved his hands further down into his pockets and leaned forward, lifting his heel for more applied weight.

Chauvin will, if he hasn't yet, rue the day.

Derek Chauvin’s freedom is dead to me! Where do I celebrate?? 🍰 🍾 🇺🇸

More from Judge Juicebox

What's on Chauvin's confiscated iPod?

Courts/judges are less likely to overturn a verdict when it is returned by a jury. Chauvin is DEAD MEAT ON A STICK.

☠️ 🍖

R185 he’s going to become a DLer that doesn’t use DL.

Seeing Chauvin handcuffed gave me a rush.

This r184

✊🏿 ✊🏾 ✊🏽

[quote]Seeing Chauvin handcuffed gave me a rush. —Anonymous

I came.

R190 Derek probably shit himself.

[quote]What's on Chauvin's confiscated iPod?

[quote] Wow. Your poll didn’t anticipate guilty in all three counts. The prosecution did an A+ job.

That's not how Defarto operates. His threads automatically assume the fault of anyone who isn't white. He likes to blame the victim.

Defarto has been bitch slapped. Again.

R130 I'm more concerned with her hair-is it real or straightened or matted? Looks like a dead cat on her head.

R193 I’m the OP and I’m not that asshole. I did the poll in about 8 seconds as an afterthought to posting thread 3. And I’m very happy Chauvin was guilty on all charges!

Congratulations to the jurors for not having their homes firebombed tonight

You have no idea how fucking offensive you are,196.

Next time we see him he'll be wearing a different suit.

Sadly, I agree with what Judge Jeanine said at R183.

I already had r196 blocked, r197

Thank God. I really can't think of a more open and shut case than this. It was on video. Multiple nearby people nearby were yelling "He's dying!" "You're killing him!". Floyd was unconscious and unmoving for 2 and a half minutes while Chauvin kept kneeling on him.

If this didn't result in a conviction, nothing ever would have. I'm glad this country isn't completely hopeless

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R200 I had 196 blocked too!

And now r196 is redlined r204!

Oracle Maxine Waters was correct. Chauvin is guilty, guilty, guilty.

[quote] Makiyah called the police because someone in her house was abusing her. She went on to say that police saw a knife on the ground near Makiyah and shot the teenager four times.

[quote] A woman identified as Tay Jones wrote on Facebook that she had witnessed the shooting and posted video purportedly from the scene. She said the 15-year-old had a knife “because somebody tried to jump her.” The white police officer who shot her never told her to put down the knife, according to Jones.

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[quote] The killing occurred just as the verdict was being announced in the murder trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin. Chauvin was found guilty on all three counts in the death of George Floyd, an unarmed, 46-year-old Black man, in May 2020.

The look on Chauvin’s face while he has knee on Floyd’s neck says it all. Calm, smug and chilling.

Chauvin was posing for the cameras, kneeling on Floyd like he was a big game hunter who just took down his prey, so proud of himself.

On CNN this morning they said that he probably won't get the maximum sentence of 40 years or anything close to that. They think the judge will probably decide to give him a sentence between 10-15 years. WTF? If he's eligible for parole, could he possibly be out after 5-7 years? Again WTF? I thought he would stay in prison for decades.

It should have been first degree murder. Premeditated, deliberate. He clearly had it in for Floyd beforehand and just seized his opportunity, trusting that the stereotype of the brave white cop protecting America from the hordes of color would provide cover for him.

R211 I think you're right but that would have been much harder to prove in court. I think the prosecutors picked the charges well and completely nailed this. I was impressed with all of them throughout the trial.

More like this, r188:

I wonder if it's true that Chauvin wanted a plea deal, but Barr talked him out of it. Is Chauvin that dumb? It's not as if Trump could have pardoned him for state charges.

The cops who were with Chauvin will go on trial in August.

[quote]I wonder if it's true that Chauvin wanted a plea deal, but Barr talked him out of it. Is Chauvin that dumb? It's not as if Trump could have pardoned him for state charges.

I believe the prosecutors wouldn’t offer a plea bargain, because they were confident they could get a conviction on more serious charges.

R210, Then the CNN geniuses are asses.

THREE "Guilty" verdicts---virtually no hesitancy, no questions to the judge, no seeking definitions---will NOT move this judge to any leniency WHATSOEVER. [See: Remand, Immediate]

Chauvin will be given a sentence commensurate with his crime, his callousness during, and its societal impact and not necessarily including Minnesota sentencing precedent.

Chauvin's max is 40 years. Precedent (no prior convictions) is 12.5 years.

I think the judge will give less and more: 25 years.

Where he will set parole eligibility, no clue.

R214, r216 is right. The Plea offer was from Chauvin’s lawyers. Both state and federal prosecutors nixed it. Barr couldn’t have done the deal anyway without agreement from the state.

Even if the judge is conservative, he ran a tight ship during the trial. I think there is no way Chauvin gets only 15 years for second degree murder, knowing he’s eligible for parole as well. I agree, r217. 25 years to life is my prediction.

If Floyd had not resisted arrest, he'd be alive- and Chauvin would be home. Though Floyd's many health problems (heart disease, severely blocked arteries, a tumor, cigarette smoker, drug addiction(s)...) made him probably not long for this earth at age 46 (his father died at age 53).

The content of his character... Remember this before they start naming parks, statues, scholarships, bills, laws, etc. after him. Perhaps the Floyd family would like to share some of their $27 million jackpot with his victims? Or the five children he never $upported?: "Floyd was sentenced to prison 5 times. In 1998 he was convicted of theft and sentenced to 10 months in prison. In 1999 he was again convicted of theft with a firearm and sentenced to another 10-month prison term. In 2002 he was sentenced to an 8-month prison term for cocaine possession with intent to sell. A second cocaine charge in 2004 resulted in another 10-month sentence. 2005 brought another cocaine offense a 10-month sentence on conviction. In 2007 he committed his most serious crime, a home invasion, and armed robbery. Floyd and 5 fellow gang members broke into a home and held a 7-month pregnant woman at gunpoint while ransacking the house looking for drugs and money. Floyd held the gun, while his companions pistol whipped her. He was sentenced to 5 years in prison in 2009 for aggravated robbery in 2009. He was released in late 2013."

R220, George Floyd could have been Satan himself, and what happened that day is still a crime committed by an asshole police officer. Fuck off with your blaming the victim.

R220

Trial...conviction...sentence served.

Trial...conviction...sentence served.

Trial...conviction...sentence served.

Detainment...torture...murder in the gutter.

R220 His health problems don't make a difference. All that means is he was easier to murder, not that he wasn't murdered.

Has the Minneapolis mayor been seen crying yet after the verdict?

According to the NYT, Chauvin is currently in solitary confinement for his own safety. This means he has to stay in his cell 23h a day with 1h outside (usually in a cage so they can't hurt anyone). Like I said upthread, solitary confinement is basically torture. I wonder if he'll spend the rest of his time there or if he'll get the luxury treatment someone mentioned earlier.

R220, I recommend researching that "pregnant woman" story a bit further.

Oh, and r220?

Of George Floyd and Derek Chauvin, which man is the CONVICTED MURDERER?

Chauvin didn't show up the scene with Floyd's bio. He saw a random black man and decided to kneel on him for 10 minutes. It didn't matter what he or anyone else has done. There was no reason for the cop to play judge, jury and executioner.

[quote] Hazel Bryant, who said she is Bryant’s aunt, told The Washington Post in a brief interview Wednesday that “the body cam doesn’t show the truth of what occurred.” She said she didn’t personally witness the incident but arrived at the scene soon after. She described her niece as “so loving and kind.”

Anyone who is as invested as r220 is in destroying a torture/murder victim's character is not worth the attention he/she is getting on this board.

Put it on ignore and let them bitch and scream into the void.

R230, I’ve had r220 on ignore for awhile. Typical Dump ass licker who loves blaming the (black) victim. I’m sure he has a teeny tiny wiener and is scared to death that he’s becoming obsolete. (And a minority.)