Why Is Peter Phillips In The Middle?

I think it’s usual in a spit roast to have the least close relation do the heavy lifting and if the royal family is about anything it’s about precedent.

I think they’re doing it by age.. notice it’s Anne in the front with Charles

[quote] I think they’re doing it by age

If that is the case, then Prince William should be in the middle

[quote] Who should be in the middle

Malcolm

Peter was the favorite grandchild, so it makes sense.

R4 I was thinking Monie

NO ONE has selected Prince Harry to be in the middle

Why? He is a DL fave here

Peter looks like a KING.

OP used a really old photo of Peter Phillips, he looks more like this now.

So there'll be no "Mom liked me best" as their was at Diana's funeral.

[quote] Peter looks like a KING.

But he’ll never be one.

Because Anne is Phillips favorite so her crotch fruit got a nice seat.

People are always saying Andrew was Liz's favorite - now this grandchild - it's appalling to let it be known you have a favorite child or grandchild imo. So the others have to feel like chopped liver? Not as lovable? Have these people no discretion or decency?

Valentine Low has a piece out.

It seems to have done Andrew no favors re: development of his character. It seems he genuinely believed, after his statement outside the church, that this was a time to press for advantage and redemption. Uh, nope.

One day William will be King. Surely by mid-life Harry should have processed that fact.

Because Peter is the eldest grandson, followed by William, then the ginger fuckstick.

Same as their parents ahead of them, Charles and Anne in the first row with Andrew and Edward in the second row.

If the procession was ordered by the order of succession, Anne and Peter would be down the back.

It’s really not that difficult a concept to grasp, OP.

Only Charles and Anne up front, instead of all four. Isn’t that convenient for keeping the black sheep out of the limelight?

Well, if Anne gets to process with Philip's sons - why can't the granddaughters process with the grandsons? Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie.

Do they not rank as high as Peter? And are there no other grandsons? (what about Edward's kids? They made William and Harry walk behind Diana when they were children)

Viscount Severn should be in the middle!

Because Philip was an older, old-school royal he probably wanted his grandsons only to walk behind his coffin. Anne being the lone exception, all the walkers are male. Nobody upstages the favorite child and daughter.

r18 I wondered why James isn't going to walk behind the coffin.

This could be turned into quite the sitcom episode - what with the spats about what uniforms which men get to wear and who gets to walk next to whom (and behind the body) sheesh.

Ask them, R17, maybe they didn’t want to. Two of the granddaughters have given birth recently so probably not up to a 15 minute walk in heels over cobblestones. Bea can barely walk at the best of times, bless her.

@royalobsessed 11h

Peter Phillips was HMQ and PP’s first grandchild. He isn’t a spare part who they’re using to separate warring brothers. His place in the procession is earned by being the eldest grandchild. To suggest otherwise is highly offensive to him and Phillip as a grandfather.

OP why would Harry’s wife being knocked up have any bearing on where he is placed in the procession behind the body of his dead grandfather?

Oh, and William isn’t a future King of England. He’s a future King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

There is a difference.

[quote] I wondered why James isn't going to walk behind the coffin.

Those at peak ripeness should be protected from harm even if only for a "15 minute walk...over cobblestones"

Primogeniture is alive and well in the BRF. How quaint. But then, the whole anacronistic phenomenon is ludicrous.

[quote] To suggest otherwise is highly offensive to him and Phillip as a grandfather.

And to the Queen, and as a grandmother.

[quote] He’s a future King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Pfft! Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Yes, R25. But that’s how royals have always done it where land, cash, and titles are concerned, so what could it possibly matter to commoners? I think that Americans who do this are just aping the royals and making excuses for favoring their first-born (and maybe favorite) son. There is no title to pass along (entailed with land, home, and money), so it’s just mean-spiritedness to by-pass an older daughter, for instance, in favor of her younger brother just because Daddy wants his stuff going to a male heir.

R14 I also it incredible that Princess Harry hasn’t realised that he won’t be King and that his position as a Royal should be enough. But being married to a California Gal, where everyone is equal and equally loved, has turned his ginger head.

And how the hell is he a DL ‘favourite’?

Find.

He's sexy

R23 It doesn’t. The future Princess Archerina won’t even be seen.

Paid posters and bots play a large role, in all likelihood, R29.

Who R31? Wimpy Harry? Bald tubby William? Lecherous sociopath fat-face Andrew? Big eared Charles?

Now Edward's not too bad - and young Philip was a hottie. Lucky Liz. Well, except for all the mistresses apparently. Hope it's not so... probably is.

Where's Chuck going to be? He's Philip's first born.

God I don't know. Why couldn't HE walk between his feuding sons?

Right up front, next to Anne. A list and schedule have been published.

Peter is in the middle to separate William and Harry. Tis said.

Let’s not pretend that this is just a British thing; the intricate pecking order. Any office or school has the same jockeying for position and significance of seating during meetings, etc.

At grandpa's funeral?

So much for priorities I guess.

Because maybe he is rather sexy and makes a good sandwich filling?!!

Peter Phillips. Seriously??

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I'It's simple. HM's four children go first

followed by three grandsons Seem odd Edward's son isn't with them.

He is young and is rumored to have issues, R44, so bit different than 3 middle aged grandsons. He seems more shielded.

Damn, did all three of Edward's kids turn out to have issues? Should have stopped after the daughter and just adopted.

R46 - Edward only has two children - Louise and James.

Peter Phillips, as the eldest grandchild, takes precedence in what is a family, not a state, quasi-heraldic, funeral.

The lack of strict formality can be seen in the choice of a Range Rover dropping the body off, absurdly.

Fortunately, Philip won’t be at the wheel R48.

R48 brings up my favorite part. PP had it specially rigged for the procession. Or so I’ve read...

“Who should be in the middle?” Countless couples ask themselves the same question!

r45 Rumoured to have what issues?

Perhaps on the autism spectrum, R52.

Who gives a flying fuck?

Once Anne is gone, King William should give Peter Phillips a title of some kind, it's only fair.

R6 Where she at?

Does that make Peter the sweet creme center like an Oreo, or the meat between two buns?

[quote] Because Peter is the eldest grandson, followed by William, then the ginger fuckstick. It’s really not that difficult a concept to grasp, OP.

If they are arranged by age it would be Peter - William - Harry

So William would be in the middle, yet he isn't. Why?

Because, R58, in processions like these, the highest ranked person (in this case Peter, by age) is in the middle in a row of three or five.

Don’t look for something that isn’t there.

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R59 Order of precedence in the United Kingdom (for the gentlemen) is

The Prince of Wales (Charles), The Duke of York (Andrew), The Earl of Wessex (Edward) The Duke of Cambridge (William) The Duke of Sussex (Harry) & Viscount Severn (James, Edward's son)

Peter Phillips doesn't rank

So AGAIN why is Peter in the middle when even little James has a higher ranking than he does?

Dude's entire purpose in life is to prevent the kind of royal faux pas that present themselves when you only have 2 male heirs of roughly the same age.

R60 Because Diana was a Spencer when she died. Her brother - Earl Spencer - is the head of her family and took the centre spot.

R61 Because the Order of Precedence isn’t being used for Philip’s funeral procession, otherwise Princess Anne would be down the back.

The composition of the procession was presumably directed by Philip when planning his funeral, and signed off by The Queen, reflecting changes to accommodate Covid restrictions on numbers and on family dynamics.

If you are so invested in the composition of the funeral procession, maybe take it up with Her Majesty. Although she’s having a pretty busy week so your call may not be put through.

[quote] otherwise Princess Anne would be down the back.

Except Princess Anne is HRH

Peter Phillips is NOT HRH - yet he is in the middle?

Oh good lord R65 - reading comprehension not your thing? This funeral procession is not based on the order of precedence or who has an HRH, it’s based on the children and grandchildren of the Duke of Edinburgh, based on their age, as directed by the deceased and approved by his widow.

If you don’t believe me that’s cool. Maybe you should wait for it all to be covered in “The Crown” - I’m sure that you’ll believe that.

[quote] it’s based on the children and grandchildren of the Duke of Edinburgh, based on their age

AGAIN if it was based by age, then they would be lined as Peter - William - Harry

So William would be in the middle, but he is NOT

Why?

R67 I suggest that you send your questions, suggestions and complaints to HM’s Lord Chamberlain, who has responsibility for these events. Write him a letter (go fetch your crayons and some scrap paper) - his address is:

The Lord Chamberlain

Buckingham Palace, London. SW1A 1AA.

He only started in the role this week, replacing Earl Peel - he’ll still be getting up to speed so I’m sure that he’d welcome your valuable input!

R68 I will rather get my answers from Royal Commentators on BBC tomorrow morning

They will have the inside scoop as to why Peter Phillips was in the middle.

To keep William and Harry apart may be the unspoken reason, R69.

Imagine if they had never done the Oprah interview, Philip may well still be alive and they might have been happy to see one another. Things are quite different now, by Harry's choice.

R20, No uniforms, in deference to Harry.

Not joking.

And Peter is in the middle to keep Wm and Harry apart, sparing them from awkward words and/or looks and unclench William's jaw.

IMO, the two heirs, Charles and William, should walk together. Maybe for HM.

HM not accepting your call, R69?

Why wait until tomorrow when the BBC commentators will be speaking to you directly through the TV?

Call her now - you’ll probably wake her up but I’m sure that she’d love to hear from an unhinged American teenager with no reading comprehension skills.

Just waiting for Crazy to drop by, saying that none of this would have happened if Charles would just step aside for William as heir to the Throne.

Commentator

[quote] Call her now - you’ll probably wake her up but I’m sure that she’d love to hear from an unhinged American teenager with no reading comprehension skills.

I tried calling collect, but they wouldn't accept the charges. So I will have to settle for the Royal Commentators on BBC tomorrow

I was waiting for that, R42.

The official list of rank and precedence is arranged so the government and general public knows the pecking order for official occasions. Because it's laid out by the sovereign, the sovereign has the right to rearrange the order at any given time or for any specific event. The Queen has done it many times over the years and no reasons are given. Most often it's obvious that changes were made at state dinners and such so as to avoid husbands and wives being paired as dinner partners or escorting each other in processions. As an example, our beloved Princess Michael of Kent has on occasion found herself bumped up the list of precedence otherwise she'd be paired with her own husband.

R69 They are separated because Peter Phillips is a better fighter than either of the brothers. Harry has softened up after his sojourn with Cuntella so he would be a one blow knock out.

R65 What does it matter? It has been explained over and over, yet the message isn’t getting through. Try dipping both your oars in the water.

[quote] It has been explained over and over,

R79 then explain it for those of us late to the party,

The official "Middle" picture

Just scroll up, R80 - it’s really not that difficult.

.....

He’s basically the arm rest parents pull down in the middle of the back seat to keep bratty siblings from fighting.

R65! Did the BBC commentators inside your TV set your mind at rest about why Peter Phillips was in the middle?

I’ve been wondering - I do hope that you got some closure at this difficult time.

R85 no because I watched MSNBC instead

Right, R86 - and what did they tell you?

I don't want Will and Harry to get along. I want controversy to continue and escalate. I want Markle to be dished and trashed and to fail.

To keep a respectable distance between Harry and Wills. It was the queen's idea.

Still waiting, R86. Stop covering your windows with aluminium foil and give me an update.

Bringing over

"I can imagine Wills and Kate not realizing that Harry had done his cross over trick, phase one, displacing the Earl of Snowdon on the stairs. Will was in front and Kate was in the church already. I can imagine them being caught in the moment after the service, genuinely trying for happy families in their vulnerable moments of grief. Harry probably wasn't allowed in at the wake, that why he was desperate to catch up to Will outside the church for phase two of his plans: photos of them talking.

Ann's husband was the last man in the procession and saw everything; that's why he is literally body blocking/ protecting his wife from Harry inside the church. I think Ann's husband was shocked, he's reaction isn't subtle, he is engaged in full protection of Ann."

The Earl of Snowden's reaction was not subtle either. Harry is so lucky that they all have too much respect for the Queen and the occasion to punch him in the face. He does not seem to feel any constraint from social norms or human relationships, that has been shown time and time again. And he sure was glaring at Anne outside. Good for Zara to clock that and respond in kind. Shame he will be back in July, think the UK could use a break from Hazbean and the Merchess of Montecito.

Huh R91? Zara "clocked" Harry? I thought that meant punched - so she punched him in the face? and Anne's husband thought Harry would punch Anne so he body-blocked her?

confused....

Any video or photos of Harry switching sides as they entered the church?

I want to be in the middle with Peter Phillips. Damn, he's hot. The rest of them don't come close to his hotness.

For R93

R93, it was posted in a link here from Lipstick A. It is on one of these funeral threads, from today, you should be able to find it.

Here you go, R93, nervy little bastard. He has done this repeatedly, but at his grandfather's funeral is low even for him.

He was supposed to remain behind Peter and in front of Tim.

Just as well Charles was entering, can you imagine going into your father's funeral and your middle aged son is being disruptive and acting like a malicoius toddler? I do wonder if Haz and MeMe have some sort of antisocial ODD kind of thing going on, there is arrogance then there is this kind of stunt.

The pretending to play the trumpet as he walked up the hill with William was so odd and childish. He is a middle aged man and knew full well the cameras were on them, he had practically run after them to capture that "opportunity." Imagine say, Bob Igor doing the same after a funeral. Even by the standards of Hollywood Igor and his wife had found Hazbean jaw dropping in his distain for time and place. Harry is a middle aged soon to be father of 2. He is not right in the head. Glad that the Queen is being kept well away. Now that she has changed it so that no one will inherit from Philip until after HER death they must have moved on to plan B. WHO antagonizes very wealthy very elderly relatives? What is their thought process? It is so disconnected from normal human behavior and likelihood of success, it is a bit baffling. Is is drugs?

Here is a photo of Tim's body language once inside the chapel.

Anne's family, correctly, sees the Harkles as a threat.

Thank you for posting Harry's bullshit move in line. He's a juvenile punk who needs a smack upside the head and a punch in the mouth. He fucked up the line and his place in it, and he did it intentionally. Bastard.

Did they all wear masks at the post-funeral reception? I'd like to know what they family really thinks of Harry after the Oprah interview, and did they actually talk to him yesterday, not just small nothings on the way up the hill from the church.

Oops, sorry grabbed link @ threats and not photo of Tim for R99. Harry sits alone at the end of the row, several seats away from Tim, who has his back turned to Harry and who is focused on Princess Anne with concern. I had never realized, Tim is a good looking guy. He seemed none too please with Harry's antics. Even Harry's slouchy and fidgety posture is so "young" for his age and the circumstances. He is really off.

[quote]Andrew no favors re development of his character. It seems he genuinely believed, after his statement outside the church, that this was a time to press for advantage and redemption. Uh, nope.

Andrew is the gift that keeps on giving. So, he already had a tailor making an Admiral's uniform for him to wear. Hmmm.

I wonder if Harry realizes that only because his grandmother doesn't want to strip her son of his titles and hand him over to the FBI, he gets to remain in this twilight world of half-in the BRF. In a perfect world, the Queen would have banished Harry and Meghan, taken their titles, along with everything she already took away.

But then she would have to do the same with Andrew.

In no world should an FBI-dodging, sex trafficking, money-laundering Royal Duke be allowed to remain within the family.

Edward, Harry, Diana, and Fergie collectively committed minor infractions. The comparison is peccadillos vs. real crimes.

For all their stoicism and doing in for Granny, Harry it appears was pissed by his place in the funeral procession. The little motherfucker worked to screw up the line. But thanks to the royal video eagle-eye investigators who were quicker on the draw than Sunshine Sacks and got the word and photos out. I'm sure Harry was the talk among the palace courtiers, the Earl of Snowdon, Peter Philips, Anne and Tim and William and Kate. And then it all got back to Charles and Her Majesty.

In fact, R103, Philip advised cutting the Harkles completely loose a year ago. Quite unfortunate that he was overruled. Set up the whole series of events around the end of the 1 year period and possibly those events may have hastened his death.

You would THINK they would learn that going on tv to tell "your side" is ill considered at best after the Panorama disaster. But yet...The Harkles had malicious intent and seemed to be attempting to extort, Andrew's thinking was even more baffling. Imagine if neither of those interviews had been given how different yesterday would have been.

The BRF will no doubt be drawing a sigh of relief after the Diana statue unveiling in June. No more Sussex visits for at least a year, assuming they come to the Queen's platinum jubilee. Assuming the Queen is still with us in a year, which is doubtful. Harry's next appearance after July may be at the Queen's funeral and his father's coronation.

Markle will be able to claim pregnancy or a new born when Diana's statue is revealed on Diana's birthday, July 1.

Meghan's plan may be to get out of this marriage before there are any more reasons for her to return to the UK. As noted above, she has a good excuse for getting out of the Diana statue unveiling, and she could very well be separated from Harry by the time the Queen's Jubilee rolls around.

I love all of the gossip and have spent hours dissecting the RF. But, every once in a while, I realize how fucked up this is. These people were born into this. They had no choice. They’re our amusement.

I just saw pix above in thread of William and Harry walking in Diana’s funeral. Feels like a TV episode. That’s what’s so messed up. These are human beings. Not characters.

It’s hard to keep in mind, since I just want to be entertained by them.

I do love the gossip! But, man, I know they’re billionaires, but I feel sorry for them. How hellish that were all studying to see which of them cried at their father/grandfather’s funeral.

r107 Why on earth is it doubtful the Queen will still be here in a year? If anything the prospect of her platinum jubilee will motivate her.

I'm not sure if the Queen is motivated by such anniversaries anymore, R111. How many more Jubilees can one take at 95? Philip was said to be very unexcited about a fuss being made over his 100th birthday. At that age, the prospect of such celebrations must seem exhausting.

R112. The queen may not be excited about another jubilee, but the people want to acknowledge her time on the throne. And if nothing else, the queen is all about acknowledging and serving the people.

Meghan has a non-pregnancy-related excuse, guys: she doesn’t want to be the center of attention. If she attends, everyone will be looking at her and it’ll detract from the guest of honor.

Can you imagine her trotting out that excuse for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee? The whole world will laugh at her.

They thought they'd confound everyone and go with reverse alphabetical order: William, Peter, Harry.

R115. It is laughable, but don't put it past Markle. I would be surprised if she said it--but not shocked.

Meghan had better be figuring out her plans for the Platinum Jubilee. She won't be able to use pregnancy or focus-pulling as excuses, and if she doesn't go to the celebration she looks like a disrespectful coward. If the Queen doesn't make it to her PJ, Meghan will still be expected to show up for the funeral. Unless she dumps Harry in the next year, one way or another Meghan has to go back to the UK by the PJ in June 2022. Her best bet would be to make nice with her husband's relatives over the next 14 months, but that's not her strong suit.

Jesus fucking Christ, enough! The old wretch has popped his clogs and been planted. ENOUGH.

Peter is the man in the middle because he is Lucky Pierre! Don't you guys know anything?

I've been trying to keep up with the funeral threads but it's just too much. I haven't seen anyone mention that although Peter technically separates the brothers, he is always walking two steps behind the pair. Order of Precedence I suppose.

^^Peter a step or two behind was planned as shown in the diagrams released of the walking order prior to the funeral, but still kept Will and Hazbeen apart.

Meghan will do what these people with her personality disorder always do. She’ll pick a fight with the racist BRF so she has a righteous excuse for not socializing with those white supremacists.

It’s a strategy that works, because enough people buy it.

In every photo I saw of the procession Phillips was walking slightly behind Harry & William. I wonder if that was his way of making sure that H&W actually did walk side by side.

R97’s link was very interesting. Harry definitely switched it up. Peter is good looking.