Do you have any friends who refuse to get the COVID vaccination?

Yes, 2 people I know. Both are now avoided. Sister-in-law husband is a fox viewing newsmax q moron. I got her vaccinated through my doctor. He's now pissed that I didn't ask him. I just walked away laughing. The other I told not to come around anymore. Find a new friend. Punched, deleted, unfriended, and unfollowed.

Life's too short to willingly deal with morons.

No, but I just got my second Pfizer shot and I feel like total shit. I'm sore everywhere and it feels like there is a burning fire behind my eyes. Still worth it though.

My friend is a total Covid denier. He also has been incredibly gracious buying season tickets for his friends to touring productions of Bway shows, local opera companies and concerts. He also loves gatherings to gather in his mod little house to having screenings of old and new movies in his home theatre set up. He refuses to get vaccinated so - A - I think without his VAX card he won’t be able to go to the theater - his head will explode!! .... plus his gatherings - I don’t want to go to a small movie/dinner party with rethugs who aren’t VAXxed and won’t wear a mask!

My 34 year old ditsy, asthmatic, overweight cousin is scared shitless of anything medical. But she's covering up for that with flimsy excuses and somehow thinks that if her husband gets vaccinated that will be enough. We've tried to tell her, "A ventilator is much more terrifying than a needle prick," but whatever. I seldom see her anyway, and now I have an excuse to keep on avoiding her.

Yes. An in-law who has had blood related issues. He's worried about clotting.

R2 - I finally got an appointment for the first jab for the 20th. Everyone I know had some reaction to the second jab. With my severe asthma and the weight I put on, I will take the side effects and keep on masking. I can't wait and thank God. Both me and my roommate scored Pfizer 2 days apart for the first shot. As lame as it sounds, we will celebrate that day with a bottle of wine and a roast lamb. Yeah, we will keep masking but she was saying "a tiny peak at the light at the end of this tunnel." Sure we have 2 Americans here, one from Florida and one from Wisconsin and a few people we USED to meet with who we found out are anti-vaxxers, but we avoid them now. These are also anti-maskers so fuck it...no big loss.

The only one of my friends who hasn't yet is saying she's "waiting this one out" - whatever that means. She's the drama queen of the group, who regularly bails out on plans at a moment's notice, so no big swig there.

Got my second Pfizer last week. No issues with either 1st or 2nd.

A friend of 25 years has become a virulent evangelical who refuses to get the vaccine. She says the pastor of her strip-mall church assures them that God will watch over them if they pray hard enough.

What's sad is that she used to be spunky and fun. Now I just want to avoid her.

I know three that are refusing to get the vaccination, and all three are Trumper idiots.

Two (male) gun nut cousins, a morbidly obese frau neighbor who keeps trying to get me to buy her over-priced, useless essential oils and a conspiracy theory lovin' great aunt who believes that the vaccine(s) contain a chip that Satan's created and being jabbed will keep her from ascending to be with her Heavenly Father.

no friends who refuse, only coworkers. some with bizarre theories about the vaccine affecting fertility. I'm like you know what else affects fertility? Death.

I can totally understand someone who is genuinely afraid of the shot itself and the fear of setting off something in their own body. It’s like being on a high floor off a burning building and you have to jump into a trampoline below and trust they will catch you. I understand that FEAR - BUT I loathe those arrogant idiots that “Want their rights!” - the ones that will carry the virus into mom and pop shops and churches etc - that makes me crazy!

I don't know of any friends who aren't getting vaccinated, but the vast majority of my immediate and extended family refuses to.

Does your friend understand that she won’t get sick from the vaccine? That it’s actually her immune response that causes any reaction?

Why the hell are any of you friends with these people? PUNCH AND DELETE.

FWIW, I had a fairly mild reaction yesterday to the second shot: my temp rose to 99.5 - 100 for a few hours. Enough to produce that slightly punky feeling of a low fever but I still functioned with a few extra naps. Will she also avoid the shingles vax?

[quote] "A ventilator is much more terrifying than a needle prick,"

I don’t know. A needle prick is pretty terrifying.

Granted, we may be talking about two different things, though.

[quote] As lame as it sounds, we will celebrate that day with a bottle of wine and a roast lamb.

Sorry, from where I’m sitting, not lame. At all. I totally understand it.

[quote]she was saying "a tiny peak at the light at the end of this tunnel."

She’s right.

[quote]She says the pastor of her strip-mall church assures them that God will watch over them if they pray hard enough.

I don't understand people like this. If they believe "God is love" and their "Heavenly Father" is watching over them, then why do they not only have to *ask* to be protected from peril, but must "pray hard" (which I assume means beg and grovel)? This god of theirs sounds like a pretty unpleasant character.

I can only assume the pastors and church-goers who died didn’t pray hard enough.

Or god was busy.

Regarding the COVID -19 vaccination. Yes, three people I know refuse to get the COVID 19 vaccination. Two want to wait until many other people get vaccinated. One will never get the vaccine. I received my first dose last week. My second dose is in three weeks.

Regarding the flu vaccine, I know a few people who have never taken the flu vaccine. Although my primary care physician was pushing it for years, last year was the first time I was vaccinated for the flu. It is highly doubtful that I'll choose to get the flu shot again.

R14 I've sent her several links containing simple explanations of how the various COVID vaccines work. I let her know that I had a very minor reaction after my first shot, and that adverse side effects only last for 24 hours.

Her response was "maybe someday!" followed by the shrugging emoji.

Well to be honest God only helps you if you know how to pray. If you don't you're fucked.

[quote]great aunt who believes that the vaccine(s) contain a chip that Satan's created and being jabbed will keep her from ascending to be with her Heavenly Father.

I have an insane QAnaon relative who believes something similar. She said Satan, being a supernatural entity, has no way of controlling humans. Satan has collaborated with the pharmaceutical companies to invent nano-chips which are injected with the vaccine and which allow Satan to "track" people.

How this is any different from schizophrenia, I don't know.

Yes, and he has health problems that put him at high risk for complications, lives in a hotspot, and refuses to wear a mask. But he either hasn't been infected or has been asymptomatic, so maybe he's one of God's chosen.

OP, gay men were killed by the government and pharmaceutical companies during the AIDS outbreak. It’s pretty dumb to even bring this up here. Gays know that we’re being treated as guinea pigs again. There is no way of knowing if this vaccine will work in the long term or if it won’t lead to cancers and deaths.

Of all the people I know and/or am related to, with the exception of a friend of a friend who cannot be vaccinated due to some syndrome she has, I'm the last holdout, the only one not yet vaccinated. When there's real-world data that the fucker actually works, does something, then I'll roll up my sleeve for the jab.

I knew a girl who refused to get the COVID vaccination. But then she died.

Idiots. Hopefully their stupidity will help thin the herd.

Not friends, but a few people I know are refusing. A mixture of Trumpers, poorly informed, or don't care.

While that's true r14, I don't think the majority of people can differentiate between symptoms of illness and your body's immune response.

If someone gets nausea from COVID, they won't care why they're sick, they'll just know they feel sick and blame it on the illness.

I'm more than socialist enough to feel very, very strongly that the vaccine should be mandatory. People should NOT be able to opt out. Period.

My siblings have all said they won't get it. They also want to know what "we're going to do" for Christmas. I told them they can come over when they get the vaccine.

[quote] My friend is a total Covid denier.

What does that mean. Does he deny the existence of the virus? Or does he just deny that it kills almost 0.01% of the people it infects?

[quote] Or does he just deny that it kills almost 0.01% of the people it infects?

Link, please.

I won’t wait.

Unvaccinated & unmasked Jehovah Witnesses (or any other religious group) going to homes knocking and leaving that crude literature is disrepectful behavior. During the pandemic, they know they can catch more people at home. They don't come to my place in a semi-rural area, because of legitimate, multiple dog warnings. Occasionally, they will send junk correspondence in the mail.

Yes. He’s waiting. He wanted to go out someplace with him. I said no. I will distance those who do not take their shots. I will wear masks as long as we need to. Maybe even more. I’m not very social so I’m ok with this.

EVERY. SINGLE. ONE of my friends is getting or has gotten vaccinated

if I knew someone who wouldn't get vaccinated I wouldn't be friends with them

my brother.

Not anymore, no.

I have one close friend who refuses to get the vaccine. She's very complicated, and also highly sceptical about all medical information (she's a concer survivor), but her main objection is that all the vaccines have been rushed out without any long-term studies, and results like the blood-clot deaths from the J&J and AZ vaccines of course add fuel to her fire.

She's not entirely wrong; for young people, with a lower risk of complications from COVID but a longer time frame for long-term vaccine damage, there's an argument to be made.

But whatever: we're in Europe, so the real problem is getting access to any vaccine at all. At this point, I might even take the Sputnik vaccine if it gets EU certification (not the Sinovac, though -- even I have my standards).

^cancer survivor

[quote]her main objection is that all the vaccines have been rushed out without any long-term studies

Did you ask her how long, in her expert opinion, would be an acceptable time period in which to develop and test a vaccine?

Yes, my sister and my next door neighbor. “They have a Gates tracking chip”, “They alter your DNA”.

Hard to wrap my head around why Bill Gates would be interested in following me around.

R5 Me too with the blood issues. Had a transfusion in December, and the donor platelets are somehow apparent in follow up blood tests. I’m happy to get the Pfizer, but the Australian Government is trying to offload the Astra Zeneca first. And I’m in that first group because of the blood and other issues. Not anti vax at all. Had the flu shot today.

I hope all the anti-vaxxers die. That would be wonderful.

People can also decide to play Russian Roulette and I don't give a fig about them either.

Envious of you, R38.

I can understand the hesitation. If Trump was still in office I honestly don’t think I would trust it. Well before the election Cuomo publicly stated that NY would not be participating in a national vaccine program under the Trump administration.

I have a relative who is being called back to the office June 1 and is freaking out that she “hasn’t had a chance” to get an appointment yet. She has been eligible since January. I repeatedly offered to help her get an appointment.

Yes.

Very few of my clinical coworkers are getting the vaccine, and many have expressed regret because of the side effects and the potential long-term negative health implications.

When an infectious disease doctor looks at you and says “fuck no” when you ask him about the vaccine, I take it seriously

Honest question, if you've had the vaccine why be afraid of those who have not been vaccinated? Isn't that what the jab is supposed to do, protect you from the unvaccinated?

Yes, the infectious disease doctors I know are also terribly worried about the temporary flu symptoms that might arise with the Covid-19 vaccine, R51. In fact, they reject all vaccines, because every single one of them has potential side effects.

I know two—and they absolutely believe that the government is trying to control us through vaccines

I'm reading these replies with astonishment. People REALLY believe if they pray hard enough they won't get sick? Or that brain chips will keep them from ascending to heaven?

...that's the kind of stuff my friends and I joke about when we discuss crazy "religious" types...but to think adult people actually come up with such bizarre ideas and take them seriously....is disturbing as fuck.

R26 - you do understand that this is not only for gay men? Neither were the first meds for AIDS as much an experiment meant to kill gay as a desperate attempt by scientists faced with a new deadly virus to curb the spread I the face of an indifferent government.

R51 - are you trying to sell us the idea that an infectious disease specialist told you "fuck no" to taking a vaccine that may save your life? Are you seriously trolling DL that hard and thinking none of us would notice?

I do know someone who is refusing the vaccine - a nurse in a hospital! They said the vaccine was not properly vetted before distribution.

Maybe they only had a two-piece suit. Don’t blame it for not being properly vested.

Oh, you said vetted.

[quote] Well before the election Cuomo publicly stated that NY would not be participating in a national vaccine program under the Trump administration.

Let’s be careful we don’t distort the record. You’ve got people like DeFuckto using this against him. What he actually said was NY would not be participating in a national vaccine program under the Trump administration [bold]until it was reviewed by the New York State Department of Health, and they decide it is safe.[/bold]

It was because of this comment that trump initially said NY would not be getting vaccines in a ridiculous attempt to have New Yorkers turn against Cuomo.

[quote] Honest question, if you've had the vaccine why be afraid of those who have not been vaccinated? Isn't that what the jab is supposed to do, protect you from the unvaccinated?

Yes and no. The more the virus spreads, the more opportunities it has to create variants and one of those variants may turn out to be vaccine-resistant.

The object is to stamp it out through vaccines and herd immunity so it has no one to transmit to.

[quote]I can only assume the pastors and church-goers who died didn’t pray hard enough.

WTF??? I fucking GAVE them the brains needed to create those vaccines! And now they want me to do MORE? Enough!

These morons know that I'm the one who created the virus in the first place, right? A failed attempt to rid the earth of these idiots. I'll try harder next time, I guess.

I got my shot. I don’t care if others don’t, to hell with them if they get sick and die.

R61, I told them you were too busy, but they insisted.

R62, I've said this elsewhere: I used to say the same thing, until variants were explained as to why it’s important for everyone who can get vaccinated.

Sooner or later one of these variants could affect you, even though you’re vaccinated, because they’ll get around the vaccine.

In principle, though, I agree with you.

I got my second Moderna shot yesterday, and I feel like shit today, but I was expecting to, so it may just be me being a drama queen. Both shoulders ache, and this morning I hurt everywhere. I'm feeling very lucky. The only weird thing is that the vaccine center I went to (Kaiser) was only giving second Moderna shots that day, so there were hardly any people there. I hope they aren't running low on supply.

[quote] I got my second Moderna shot yesterday, and I feel like shit today,

Maybe, but you look good. It’s better to look good than to feel good.

And, r65, your dick will grow bigger. Or is that with Pfizer?

An 85-year old friend refuses. Says he's leaving his health up to God.

No, my friends aren’t stupid.

I haven't gotten it yet. I prefer to wait.

Very wise move r70. Don't let the Branch Covidians pressure you.

Why is it 'Vaxxers' and 'Anti-Vaxxers' only?

What about those who have had all their vaccines over a lifetime but recognise the global con and crime against humanity which is being perpetrated by these medical inserts and after considering all the evidence choose not to to receive it.

May I suggest what we really have are:

Vaxxers - who take everything on offer including these experimental mNRA genetic therapies

Anti-vaxxers - who take nothing on offer, and...

the Astute - who consider the evidence and make a rational decision on each one

SURE!

I don’t care if people don’t get it but they should be required to quarantine until all those who do want to get vaccinated have the opportunity to do so.

R73 I take the virus seriously. I wear my mask and keep my distance.

I work from home so I am in a privileged situation. I don't need to mix with people.

But I'm not getting the vaccine right now. I'll wait.

Any friend of mine who conditions our friendship on me taking an experimental medical protocol can keep walking. It’s not ethical to offer participation in drug trials to the general population. The medical profession has gone mad especially in light of the numbers showing no statistically significant change in the overall death rate from all causes since the advent of Covid.

I'm getting moderna #2 tomorrow. I am actually kind of hoping I feel bad enough to just stay in bed all day and not have to work.

Most everyone I know is going to get vaccinated or is already...except my 75 year old father who listens to conservative talk radio and says, "Everyone is getting sick from it! I'm not taking it." I guess my loser, drug addict step brother also convinced him and his mom that is dangerous. Whatever. I don't talk to my dad much anyway. My sister didn't want to get it but she did and she had zero side effects from either shots. I'm the one who convinced her to get it. A lot of people do not understand basic science and think "Big Pharma" is out to get them. When you do your research, you learn that this vaccine is really amazing and the technology behind it is the wave of the future. I'm honored to get the vaccine and excited to get the second tomorrow. I am so grateful to the scientists who developed it.

Got my 2nd Pfizer. Reaction same as first. Slightly sore arm. That's it folks.

People who don't do their research or don't trust the doctors who are all urging people to take the vaccine are complete and utter fools. But hey, they are all smarter than doctors and virologists and I'm sure they all have their PHD's, right?

Fucking idiot Americans.

I honestly can't even make sense of our trolls anymore.

R56

Some doctors take the Hippocratic oath seriously.

Her doctorate was studying SARS in Israel. She knows what she’s talking about. She thinks these vaccines are unnecessary bullshit overkill.

R57

That’s because none of these vaccines have been properly vetted or tested. Even the fucking evening news admits they are experimental.

Why are vaccinated people being told to continue wearing masks and refrain from going to restaurants etc.?

YouTube removed a video posted by some of the most well credentialed infectious disease and epidemiology doctors in the United States because it doesn’t conform to their “we’re all going to die of Covid“ bullshit. The news is no longer informative, it is pure propaganda.

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YouTube claimed they removed the video because 'it contradicts the consensus of local and global health authorities,' yet this roundtable was led by world-renowned doctors and epidemiologists from Oxford, Stanford, and Harvard, all of whom are eminently qualified to speak on the global health crisis," McCloud said. "Good public health policy should include a variety of scientific and technical expertise, and YouTube’s decision to remove this video suppresses productive dialogue of these complex issues."

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, one of the scientists on the panel, said this "was a policy forum, in which it is appropriate to consider both the benefits and costs of a policy (child masking) when making judgments and recommendations."

"YouTube’s censorship of our discussion is contrary to American democratic norms of free expression," the professor said in an email. "It is also a violation of basic standards of scientific conduct, which stand in opposition to unreasoned silencing of contrary views and require the free exchange of ideas."

Earlier, AIER editorial director Jeffrey A. Tucker insisted in an article Wednesday on the think tank’s website that YouTube censored DeSantis and the scientists and called it “the latest attack on public health information.”

Many public health experts, however, have accused Bhattacharya and the other scientists on the panel with DeSantis — former Trump White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Scott Atlas; epidemiologist Sunetra Gupta; and Dr. Martin Kulldorff — of spreading public health misinformation. NBC News has also reached out to Tucker, Atlas, Gupta and Kulldorff for comment.

NBC News did not see the video before it was removed. Tucker first reported its removal.

But based on a transcript provided by YouTube, it appears the participants ran afoul of the platform’s standards when DeSantis asked whether children in school should be wearing masks and Kulldorff replied, “Uh, children should not wear face masks, no. They don’t need it for their own protection, and they don’t need it for protecting other people either.”

R82

Apparently the government is trying to see how many people are fucking retarded and will do whatever it tells them to do.

The failures of the vaccines, and the facemask policies, and the quarantines, are going to blow back ballistically on every psychopathic politician that supported them.

Every politician that supported lockdowns needs to be charged with mass murder.

More people are going to die of malnutrition, delayed medical treatment, and suicide, than fucking COVID-19.

Bring back the guillotines.

"That’s because none of these vaccines have been properly vetted or tested. Even the fucking evening news admits they are experimental."

You are a nut job. Do your research. This type of vaccine delivery has been in play since the late 90's. The vaccine for this was developed in February of 2020 and it has been tested and vetted.

"The failures of the vaccines, and the facemask policies, and the quarantines, are going to blow back ballistically on every psychopathic politician that supported them."

Yes, look at Israel. They have the highest number vaccinated and their case numbers dropped to less than 200 a day.

Moron

R85

Link?

R86

Considering that the number of deaths in 2019 were about 70,000 greater than 2018, and 2020 deaths will be about 90,000 greater than 2019, please tell me about this fucking pandemic that is killing millions of people in the United States.

Masks are useless. But there is a big difference between complying to put a face diaper on (which you can then remove) vs injecting an experimental substance which will have unknown and permanent effects. That’s the line in the sand for many people.

Repugs just lie.

They want us all dead, so they lie

Every single on of my social circle and immediate family has finished the second dose of Pfizer or Moderna while others got Janssen/J&J last month. We are all fully vaccinated.

Even all thirteen of my co-workers (ages 19-40) are done. Today was two weeks out from the last person's second dose, so we met up at work today and had lunch. (We are still working remotely and it was really, really nice to see everybody in person.)

R91

Good luck on the unintended consequences and unanticipated complications two or three years from now.

a sibling who refuses to take ANY shots, whether covid, the flu, shingles, etc.... listens to nutjob radio on his way to work! only high school degree, drinks too much, etc...

when i said well if the president and vice president can take the covid shots, and you know they are pretty important and i'm pretty sure they don't want to die or get sick, then i think everyone including you can take it... he replied laughingly, and half jokingly it was probably air they injected!......

of course he's a trumpster!....

Even Ivanka got her shot.

Of course the Trumps got vaccinated

It’s the deplorables who are too stupid to get the shot. They think they understand science, but they are morons.

Let ‘em die of covid. Point and laugh as they drown in their own phlegm

r93 do you seriously believe that the politicians and celebs are actually getting injected with these experimental "vaccines"? LOL

So much pressure to take the vaccine. Everyone who is still hesitating is according to dl and lots of other social and other media a loser, a freak, an idiot, a what not all. People also can't be sure what kind of vaccine they are getting in each individual case, e.g. unemployed people and people on basic security should be extra careful, and people who still have some hope to have children, especially when they have been irregularly employed and similarly should be careful, but also for people who don't hope much to have still children and are not high achievers, e.g. when your fertility is considerably decreased, it also negatively affects your energy and psyche and work ability, I guess.

E.g. there is a rumor that the vaccines for a few decades affect the DNA, which is also a problem for people who still hope to have children, also that the vaccines for a few decades affect the minds. E.g. there are also allegedly things in products for poor people that make them die earlier and less fertile. In times of crisis it is especially good to be part of the 1% and the 15%; people who are disposable should be extra careful with vaccines, big data knows nearly everything about you. Eugenics and social engineering are still practiced, also global assimilation and oligarchisations of the few non oligarchy spots left.

Don't know how much they wanna know about side effects et. al. after such short a time either, even five years is pretty short, 10 years is at least considerably better. In my Western country it isn't easy to get a vaccine, many people have to wait a long time.

R97 Go die in a Covid grease fire.

R97

The extremity of the conspiracies isn’t the issue. The fact that the government and the pharmaceutical companies developing the vaccines have been fundamentally mendacious and have blatantly lied is the issue.

A crunchy-granola neighbor has turned out to be an anti-vaxxer. When I asked her about her son getting his mumps-measles-rubella shot to go to school, she told me that she had gotten a letter from "an out-of-state doctor" (quack quack) that exempted him from all of them.

I am 6 days out from injection 2 of Pfizer vaccine. Had no pain or symptoms after first dose 2nd dose seems to have a different symptom every day. It seems to have run its course, and today, Wednesday, Day 6, things have settled down. Last night I actually slept through the night for the first time in months. During the 6 days my symptoms varied in severity. Had absolutely no pain with the actual injections, To those who are still hesitant, GET THE SHOT.

R96 I'm in no hurry to get this vaccine, I'd rather wait. While I'm not anti-vaccine per se, I am anti-bullshit. That MariahCarey clip is pure Qanon style nonsense.

There is nothing strange about the syringe used. It has a retractable needle. Nothing odd about that.

[quote]But I'm not getting the vaccine right now. I'll wait.

Wait for what? For how long? How will you determine that one day it becomes all right for you to get it?

Do your own fucking homework, r87. Stop assigning it to others.

But here. Listen to this.

Yes.

My fucking goddamned idiot brother. He's turned into some qunt adjacent screaming that he won't get it or wear a mask because "free dumb".

When I told him he's going to be refused entrance to Disney World, he melted down. I said, "private business. They can refuse you entrance for anything".

I got sick of listening to his screaming and unhinged ranting everytime I would call to check on him so I punched and deleted.

Hung up on him telling him I was done with his screaming lies and endless hate. He can fucking stew in his own snot for all I care

[quote] I honestly can't even make sense of our trolls anymore.

Awww, you said [italic]our[/italic] trolls!

No, I don’t have any deplorable friends.

R108

You do, they are just smart enough to stay away from political subjects with someone as stupid as you appear to be.

[quote] the Astute - who consider the evidence and make a rational decision on each one

You spelled stupid wrong.

[quote] Why are vaccinated people being told to continue wearing masks and refrain from going to restaurants etc.?

If this is a genuine question, kill yourself. You’re far too stupid to live.

The reasons for this have been discussed EVERYWHERE.

[quote] to put a face diaper on

Yup. Tells me all I need to know about you.

[quote] I am actually kind of hoping I feel bad enough to just stay in bed all day and not have to work.

Who’s to say that didn’t happen? *wink*

[quote]FWIW, I had a fairly mild reaction yesterday to the second shot: my temp rose to 99.5 - 100 for a few hours. Enough to produce that slightly punky feeling of a low fever but I still functioned with a few extra naps. Will she also avoid the shingles vax?

A few extra naps? In one day?

I refuse to get it.

This virus has a 98+% survival rate, IF a person even contracts it. The "vaccine" is in the experimental stage, not approved by the FDA. Why in the world would it be a good idea to get it? Stupid social pressure? No. Not for me.

On Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve, my family gathered as usual. A dozen participants from seven different households. No masks, no COVID bullshit. How many got sick afterward? NONE.

It's incredible how fully people have fallen for this nonsense. Wake up and grow up. Live your lives.

Trolls gonna troll.

The troll is trying to kill people vis disinformation.

no, no one

[quote]The "vaccine" is in the experimental stage, not approved by the FDA

all lies, blocking you

R71 The global con of vaccines? Really? Would you rather live in an iron lung with polio?

I haven't heard of any of my friends or family that aren't getting the vaccine. Then my family has intelligent people and I only hang out with smart friends.

[quote]Who’s to say that didn’t happen? *wink*

While I have gotten vaccinated, this “how dare you question doctors and science” routine is just more of today’s Left wing authoritarianism, something the Right used to own outright. Anyone who steps out of line or questions something must be ostracized or destroyed. It’s fucking frightening.

R119, it hasn’t been approved. Why you are throwing a tantrum is beyond me. However, they literally tell you that it hasn’t been approved on the waver form you sign.

[quote] The creation of a vaccine involves scientists and medical experts from around the world, and it usually requires 10 to 15 years of research before the vaccine is made available to the general public.

Now let that sink in.

There's never been a vaccine that had this much money, manpower and computing resources devoted to it.

Now let that sink in.

R121 - you must be a pretty lonely guy besides a few friends and family. COVID has brought out the idiocy in most to the surface.

Yes. It's a personal decision and I really don't give a fuck.

My second shot made me feel like shit so it better work!

I had my second shot at 9 am today and am counting down the days until I can get on with my life. I have already scheduled appointments for overdue physical, dentist, eye doctor and haircut. Have plans to visit my parents 2nd weekend in May. All worth the low risks of the vaccine.

[quote] on the waver form you sign.

Oh, dear! 👋

[quote]Now let that sink in.

*eyeroll*

[quote]I got my second Moderna shot yesterday, and I feel like shit today, but I was expecting to, so it may just be me being a drama queen. Both shoulders ache, and this morning I hurt everywhere. I'm feeling very lucky.

I woke up in the middle of the night after my 2nd shot, teeth chattering I was so cold & turned up my bedwarmer & put on an extra blanket even though it's pretty warm here. If the side effects from the vaccine are an indication of what the actual virus is like (in addition, I've a a non-stop splitting headache), then I'll chance it with the vaccine.

But aside from the stupid "Joe can't tell me what to do" evangelicals, I do think there are some valid reasons for not getting the vaccine - BUT - in the not so distant future, I predict that society will make life harder for unvaccinated people to rejoin the larger world.

[quote}Wait for what? For how long? How will you determine that one day it becomes all right for you to get it?

When? When the vaccines are approved by the FDA.

For now, let's call them what they are: experimental.

[quote]Wait for what? For how long? How will you determine that one day it becomes all right for you to get it?

When? When the vaccines are approved by the FDA.

For now, let's call them what they are: experimental.

You know as well as I do that the FDA is going to rubber stamp the CDC's emergency authorization.

And it's not like FDA approval means a drug or medical treatment is a guarantee that a drug or treatment is safe.

Had my second shot yesterday and unfortunately, feel fine today and am working. I'm the one who was hoping I would feel bad enough to not work today. I just have some mild soreness on my left side where I got the shot and up into my neck. Taking some advil helps but overall, I feel fine. Will likely even go on a bike ride tonight. I had Moderna.

I'm so grateful.

Good for you R135.

I think?

R135, did you not see R113?

I was at a birthday party recently where everyone except ONE person was either singly vaccinated or double vaccinated. The holdout was a gay, blue collar type.

I did, r137. I've called out a lot recently so I didn't want to push it. But I am kind of glad I don't feel much more than the soreness. I know one or two friends who had a hard time with shot 2 so I'm lucky. But most of the people I know haven't had any issues from either shot. My sister felt nothing for both except a sore arm. She had pfzier. I had moderna.

While Republican politicians blather on about restricted freedoms, you know they and their families have all gotten the vaccine.

We know the dumps did.

Bahhhhhh, sheep.

Injecting an untested medical device to protect me from a disease with a .01% fatality rate for my demographic is fucking stupid.

The Trumps got vaxxed in secret. While they were lying to the American people about the virus, they made sure they protected themselves because they don’t give a fuck about anyone else.

142 If you get Covid and die...’I really don’t care, do u? ‘

I don’t even hope he dies. I just hope he’s sick as hell for two weeks and wishes he’s dead.

Then becomes a long-hauler.

Since, ya know, only fatalities are important.

Had my second Pfizer jab on Friday and, alas, felt fine and so went straight back to work. All my friends, family, and coworkers are vaccinated or scheduled to be vaccinated. I don’t hang out with idiots, conspiracy theorists, or people who don’t understand science.

if you trust america with 'vaccines', you ain't black.

remember when biden said he wouldn't trust a vaccine that came out as quick as this one did

[quote] I don’t hang out with idiots, conspiracy theorists, or people who don’t understand science.

So I take it r146 wouldn’t be in your social circle, then?

Sure as fuck wouldn’t be in mine.

“Censored” doctors? So they’re censored but somehow got the information out?

My boyfriend had his first AZ vaccination a couple of weeks ago. He didn't feel well after it. He's reluctant to have his second one. I'm encouraging him as much as possible, but it's hard work.

It’s funny how all these secret conspiracies of what the government is supposedly planning to do to us are readily available to any random kook on the internet.

[quote]Cahill, Tenpenny, Mikovits, and other censored doctors and scientists are warning of a coming mass casualty event

When do these maverick geniuses expect the deaths to start? The first human trials of the Moderna vaccine began last month, surely we should see these test subjects dropping like flies any day now?

Yes, two "new wiccan"/gothy type 30's females that believe in government lasers (for controlled forest burnings and who knows what else). So weird to me, because they are liberal. Also, they smoke, which kind of is head-scratching.

R150 ‘Censured’ maybe?

Correction:

The first human trials of the Moderna vaccine began [italic]a year ago[/italic], surely we should see these test subjects dropping like flies any day now?

Thank you for clarifying, r156.

I thought it was strange when you said a month.

Yes, I need to be better about proofing my posts, R157. Sorry!

[quote]Cahill, Tenpenny, Mikovits, and other censored doctors and scientists are warning of a coming mass casualty event

"censored doctors and scientists" = QUACK QUACK QUACK

R146

All prior coronavirus vaccines have had a unique side effect. When the people that were vaccinated were exposed to the natural virus, they suffered and died in far greater numbers. When the fatality profiles inevitably show that people inoculated are several times more likely to die, you and your idiot friends are going to be pariahs.

The doctors that are being censored are multiple credentialed doctors practicing at elite medical institutions, often highest ranked graduates.

Because they dispute the propaganda that you have been swallowing like bullshit, you refuse to believe them because it would hurt your ability to pretend that you were right.

R160 Moron lol

R162 No, they are kooks like that lady last year that was all in on alien BS.

The Russian troll farms need to stay the fuck out of here.

The radicalized right wing nut jobs can fuck off too....

my partner's buddy refuses to get it. He said, "I'm healthy, why should I take it?"

others that I know of are cashiers in walgreens etc and workers in the supermarket.

Let them die.

I went to a family get together yesterday. Hadn't seen my family in over a year. My father, who said he refuses to take the vaccine was there and when I walked in, he tried to hug me and I backed away and said, "no fucking way unless you're vaccinated." He got all butt hurt but sorry asshole, get the shot. He was also not wearing a mask. Actually no one was except me and my sister. Most everyone there was vaccinated or has recently had covid but I still wore my mask since my idiot father and my idiot brother and his wife haven't been vaccinated and none of them were wearing masks.

People are fucking dumb.

Biden got his and Trump got his. I can't think of a better recommendation than that.

Trump is especially telling. His nutcase advisors (like Scott Atlas) and followers are all in for the looney tunes doctors R146 touts, but Trump still got the shot. Trump is a coward that is about self preservation above all, so he wouldn’t have got the shot if he had even a shred of doubt about its safety.

here's the thing if the president and vice president took the vaccine shots, and you know i'm pretty sure they are pretty important and powerful and don't want to get sick or worse, then i think every joe blow and jane doe can take the vaccine!....

i have a sibling whose against any shots, covid, flu, shingles, etc but yet he wants to visit my elderly mother without a mask even!...

My sister, who also has never received a flu shot. She says it's because she just doesn't get sick, but in reality she's terrified of vaccinations. She recently started a job where each employee is required to get a tetanus shot. She waited until the last possible moment and almost was fired.

Her children both got the vaccine without any prompting once they were eligible. Her husband got it, and he is a libertarian asshat.

She used to be someone I looked up to. Now I just feel sorry for her.

R172... um, biden and harris shown on national tv doing so? oh wait, don't tell me it wasn't the vaccine, it was something else, possibly nothing just air huh?....and those administering it and the place and hospital are all "in on it" too?!....

I never get the flu shot either, OP. The stats are bad. The problem is that there really is not a good pattern on who might get sick with COVID. Just because you are young and healthy doesn't mean you won't end up in a hospital on a ventilator. And even if you get mildly ill, the long-term conditions are still not well identified. There can be lung, cardiac, fatigue and others.

I work for a federal agency that awards disability. My agency is monitoring the developments regarding lingering effects post-Covid. It may be another year or more before experts know what to expect, but these are likely to affect a lot of people, maybe permanently. None of that is the case with the vaccine.

The best way for her to determine whether the vaccine is worth her time is not to take a whiny, hope-for-the-best approach. She needs to evaluate her risk. Look at the serious side effects like the unusual blood clots and compare them to other events such as motor vehicle injury probabilities, lightning strike probabilities and other events. These are easy to look up. Then she will understand the real risk of the vaccine. It is important to have this information to make an informed decision. There is risk with the vaccine, but it is relatively low compared to the disease and to other possible life events.

speaking of shots, i wanted to get a pneumonia shot last year, but they said since i didn't smoke and i wasn't old enough, i could ONLY get it thru a primary doctor?.... when I said plenty of people get pneumonia younger and get sick and some even die from it, this person, a RN practitioner had no answer for that.. more or less it's the law in my state?....

yes, maybe the politicians are getting vitamin jabs on TV instead. However, my partner knows people in the medical/science field and they took the vaccines.

R176, you need a script for that if you're under 60 (i think).

thankfully I don't have any close friends who are refusing the vaccine, I've always prided myself in being very selective with friends. I look forward to hanging out with one friend next month for Memorial Day as we're both fully vaccinated now and look forward to hanging out together. I don't have time to deal with retards. Covid has changed out world and I have no patience for nonsense anti-vaxxers.

none, not one friend.

For our "but it isn't FDA approved!" loon:

[quote]The United States FDA has made the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine available under an emergency access mechanism called an EUA. The EUA is supported by a Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) declaration that circumstances exist to justify the emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19 pandemic.

[quote]The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has not undergone the same type of review as an FDA-approved or cleared product. FDA may issue an EUA when certain criteria are met, which includes that there are no adequate, approved, available alternatives. In addition, the FDA decision is based on the totality of scientific evidence available showing that the product may be effective to prevent COVID-19 during the COVID-19 pandemic and that the known and potential benefits of the product outweigh the known and potential risks of the product. All of these criteria must be met to allow for the product to be used in the treatment of patients during the COVID-19 pandemic.

And that, children, is why the J&J vaccine was "paused." If the risks outweigh the benefits, the FDA stops use to figure out why. If the eeeevillll gubmint was trying to kill us or even just inject us with 5G nanobillgates, wouldn't they just keep going despite 6 (six) people out of 7 million doses injected getting blood clots and one death as a result? Who would even notice 6 people developing esoteric issues out of 7 million if they weren't keeping track? Why keep track if the real reason is to poison as many as possible?

I won't let your logic get in the way of my agenda, R181!

R171, r176 WTF is wrong with your keyboard? Does it not do upper case letters?

Exactly r181. It has been confirmed that all six women who got blood clots after the J&J shots were all on birth control pills. Blood clots are a known and documented risk of birth control pills yet the FDA isn’t pausing them and pharmaceutical manufacturers aren’t doing anything to make them safer.

It’s twitter speak R183. It’s horrible.

[quote]Covid has changed our world

I really don’t think it has. People have learned nothing from this.

[quote] Blood clots are a known and documented risk of birth control pills

Wow. I didn’t know that.

R187 thanks to a badly-tested BP pill (combined with an acne drug, toxic combo) I was given as a teen, I ended up with vitamin A poisoning, liver damage, and deep depression that drove me near-suicidal.

The side-effects I had while on it were horrific—cracking as bleeding skin, arid mouth, red blood shot eyes like a Sith, alopecia, alarming weight loss, no affect and dead emotions, and very poor circulation (wouldn’t surprise me if I was in danger of clotting). Once I stopped taking it, I had other side-effects that lasted for years, such as thinning hair, aching bones and cracking joints like an elderly person, lingering depression that worsened with every period, and some damage to my mind that I still haven’t identified (it made me feel lobotomised, less intelligent somehow). I’ve only recovered in the last five years, with the help of a diet overhaul and a low-stress lifestyle, and I still don’t have the full IQ, healthy strong skin, or lovely thickness of mane I used to. My adolescence was a horror-show due to those tablets, and I lost out on a lot. On a minor note, I also can’t eat much food that is high in vitamin A anymore, so no cod liver oil or avocado toast for me.

Never again. Lucky for me, I’m about 95% woman-leaning bisexual, so I just have to stay safe, keep out of shady situations, and avoid sleeping with the tiny handful of men I’ve ever been attracted to.

Politically, it really angers me to think about, even after all this time. Why should the onus be on women to take dangerous powerful life-altering and potentially health-damaging meds all their lives, so that when men fuck they don’t have to take responsibility for any consequences? Universal vasectomy would be fair, but we can’t have the hetero-menfolk remotely uncomfortable, can we....

Can someone who actually knows medicine (so, the two people on this board) weigh in on how vaccines can have long-term health implications? Surely once the immune response happens and antibodies deal with the vaccine, then that’s it? Or is it that even the tiniest single particle of COVID destroys the body, and antibodies can’t prevent or heal it?

R168

It looks like you will die alone.

You, are the asshole!

If I had not seen my father in a year and he had Ebola, I would hug him. You are just a self-centered idiotic asshole.

R189

Multiple coronavirus type infections circulate constantly.

Sure. The long term health implications of vaccines is that you live longer.

Wait, you guys have friends?

As long as the check clears, I’ll have em.