JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE’S CAREER IS ALMOST OFFICIALLY DEAD TO ME! His stylist has ratted him out!-

Sunshine of Sunshine Sachs claims credit for the wardrobe malfunction incident. Look it up.

I've never been especially interested in his music, even though I do think he's got vocal talent and presence. I recall hearing his last album was a bust.

He had the start of an acting career (THE SOCIAL NETWORK, etc.) and that appears to have utterly flamed out. And his wife is apparently an anti-vaxxer. Uggh.

YASSSSSS KWEEN!!!!!

Doesn't ring true.

I'm more bothered by the Kevyn Aucoin bit at the end of the article. Why did that happen?

R4 yes. It does.

It was obviously meticulously planned by both Justin and Janet. Why are we still talking about this. I hope cunt anti-vaxxer Jessica gets long haul covid.

He's been over since 'Man of the Woods' flopped. He's joined his former rival Usher in the hasbeens heap. He was never going to be the new Michael Jackson.

Meanwhile, Chris Brown's music is still charting. 'No Guidance' was a particularly good song.

[quote]I'm more bothered by the Kevyn Aucoin bit at the end of the article. Why did that happen?

By many accounts, Kevyn was a sweet guy who was beloved by those in the industry, but he also had issues and wound up driving some people away. I think Cher and him had a falling out before he passed because she told him to get his shit together. I can't remember if Tina and him soured, but she did the forward for his posthumous book where she talked about how much she missed him.

I'm sure some of these celebrities simply couldn't attend because of packed schedules. Liza is not some vindictive bitch.

I'd like to read more on this story before I judge.

I’ve never understood why her career went south because of this. She seems to be a very likable person

r10 Her career went down the shitter because the quality of her already low quality music declined.

R9 let’s have a thread on him and his BDF, instead of these two straight attention whores

I will buy this book

[quote]I’ve never understood why her career went south because of this. She seems to be a very likable person

Because a bunch of pearl-clutching racist white people in middle America became outraged at a .5 second flash of her nipple-shielded tit, and Uncle Tom Michael Powell kowtowed to their whims by leading the charge of publicly vilifying her. He would later admit that he majorly overreacted to the incident and publicly apologize to her, but I hope she secretly told him to kick rocks and kiss her ass.

Her career was already on the wane when she did the Superbowl.

With Control, Rhythm Nation, Janet and Velvet Rope, she tapped into a different theme. So with each album, there was something new that she was putting out there.

All For You wasn't a bad album, but it was nothing that she hadn't touched on previously. Notice that only two singles really made an impact, as opposed to previous Janet albums where she could get a good 4-5 hit songs out there.

Not even including the breast flash, the Superbowl performance is just weak, and beneath her standards. She trotted out Rhythm Nation with the same choreography for the umpteenth time while others on that bill were doing recent songs. It made her seem old hat. I still don't get why she didn't use her spot to promote the soon to be released Damita Jo.

R9

[quote] I think Cher and him had a falling out before he passed because she told him to get his shit together.

Oh dear.

Fried egg blueberry?

The two semi-recent Kevyn Aucoin documentaries made it clear that he drove people away once he was sick and dealing with it by self medicating, but I also remember a friend saying Aucoin would invent medical crises, his example being a gland that needed to be removed in surgery not getting fully removed, which he claimed was a lie. But then the documentary showed a letter from a doctor that confirmed what Aucoin had said, so I got the impression a lot of his friends were fair-weather friends.

[quote]Sunshine of Sunshine Sachs claims credit for the wardrobe malfunction incident. Look it up.

There is nothing out there that says Ken Sunshine claimed to be responsible for the wardrobe malfunction.

Sunshine DID advise Timberlake after the incident, but that was it.

Read it and weep, r19

Justin Timberlake aged out of pop stardom. He is 40 years old and has a kid. He is not a sexy young guy like he used to be. Man of the Woods flopped and his Superbowl performance confirmed he didn't have the "it factor" anymore. He had a good run but it came to an end.

Now it's all about The Weeknd, Khalid, Daniel Caesar and Bruno Mars. Also, Bieber and Chris Brown still have some hits left in them.

The Weeknd, who didn't even get nominated for any Grammys during a year he "owned?"

It spoke volumes after they let him play the Super Bowl again. What bullshit.

Sounds like bullshit to me. All you have t do to take a person down now is make up some nonsense that appeals to SJWs. This is ancient history! Janet was in on it, too. She wore that big ugly nipple clamp around her big saggy tiddy. She was ready for her close up. She wanted attention because she was an aging pop star. This is so stupid.

[quote] Her career was already on the wane when she did the Superbowl. With Control, Rhythm Nation, Janet and Velvet Rope, she tapped into a different theme. So with each album, there was something new that she was putting out there. All For You wasn't a bad album, but it was nothing that she hadn't touched on previously. Notice that only two singles really made an impact, as opposed to previous Janet albums where she could get a good 4-5 hit songs out there.

All for You was a huge album for her, even though I didn’t really like it. It followed a template from previous albums. Damita Jo would have bombed regardless of the Super Bowl. Her, let’s call it, Jermaine Dupri era, was a disaster. I actually like her better now. She takes long breaks in between projects and isn’t interested in getting publicity every five seconds like someone else who shall remain nameless. It’ll be interesting to hear her next album as it’s supposed to be much darker. I’m glad she dropped the whole sex pot shtick. It got so unbelievably boring.

[quote] Her career was already on the wane when she did the Superbowl.

False. All For You gave her the biggest first week sales of her career. She won a Grammy for the title track (which was the longest-running Hot 100 #1 that year), was declared MTV’s first ICON, got big ratings on HBO when they aired the final stop on her world tour supporting the album, and had just, the previous year, starred in a hit film and nabbed a #1 hit for that film’s soundtrack. Besides, they don’t ask people whose careers are on the wane to headline the SB Halftime show.

[quote] Notice that only two singles really made an impact, as opposed to previous Janet albums where she could get a good 4-5 hit songs out there

That was the year of 9/11. When that happened, everything stopped, including album and touring promo for various artists.

[quote] the Superbowl performance is just weak

Wrong again. Gil refreshed the RN choreography and she (and her troupe of dancers) slayed it along with that huge marching band accompaniment. Although, I do agree that she should have ended her set with what should have been Damita Jo’s first single, ALL NITE (DONT’ STOP), and eliminated Justin altogether. I mean, there was no point in him even being there. She helped N’SYNC out by letting them open for her on her Velvet Rope tour, which was more than enough.

[quote] Damita Jo would have bombed regardless of the Super Bowl.

Disagree. Her trajectory was nothing but #1 albums from 1986 to 2001. 2004 would not have been any different, and DJ was shaping up to be her 6th consecutive #1 album before the ensuing halftime show fallout and her blacklisting. However, despite being banned from MTV and pop radio, she was still able to nab a #2 debut/peak.

[quote]I actually like her better now. She takes long breaks in between projects

She’s always done that, even at her peak. Control to RN was a 3-year span. RN to janet. was a 4-year span. Same with janet. to The Velvet Rope and TVR to All For You. Her lastest album, 2015’s critically-heralded #1 Unbreakable, came 7 years after her previous album, 2008’s #1-debuting Discipline.

[quote]It’ll be interesting to hear her next album as it’s supposed to be much darker. I’m glad she dropped the whole sex pot shtick.

From what I’ve read, Black Diamond is supposed to be lighter than the often-dark and introspective Unbreakable. To note, Unbreakable had not one sex song on it.

She slapped her niece in the face on camera over money. That's who she is. And her stupid stunt showed everyone what a fake she is.

Janet never slapped Paris. Paris even debunked that mess on Twitter.

Ummm... the stylist just confirmed the whole thing was pre-planned, which anyone with half a brain could figure out. Janet was in on it.

Datalounge- the only place anyone ever discusses Janet Jackson anymore.

R30 exactly. She should be thankful JT got anywhere near her old tiddies.

[quote] his Superbowl performance confirmed he didn't have the "it factor" anymore

It's so bad, I forgot it ever happened. The Weeken was terrible but at least I remember his performance (it was garbage though).

For years, Timberlake denied he had "a part in it". Look at some of the interviews he did after the stunt happened. He even tearfully cried to executives at CBS which is why he was never punished the way Janet was. He's just a big pussy. Btw, if anyone remembers that moment when Madonna, Britney and Christina kissed at the VMAs, the camera almost immediately zoomed in on Timberlake's reaction and he look pissed! He was probably trying to get back at Britney when with the whole wardrobe malfunction thing. Instead, he almost got himself in trouble with his stunt.

Janet Jackson is so gross. Her floppy titty made me gay.

Damn, girl, Janet’s titties dun dropped 6 inches since then. Let it go.

R33 so what? She acted like I was a accident too. Most celebs deny obvious publicity stunts. They were BOTH in on it. She isn’t a victim.

*it was an accident.

R36, she isn't either but she definitely took MORE of the heat for it than he did. He has a history of throwing women under the bus is all I'll say.

No, she took the heat because it was her disgusting fat udder that got exposed. No one needed or wanted to see that sack of droop naked to the world. Janet is a fat sow and has a terrible body.

This WAS STUPID.

I can't believe were still talking about it.

He did it. She knew he would. It was obvious.

Lame. he should have showed his COCK.

Paris is kinda looney byt Janet did smack her. TMZ broke the video.

[quote]Paris is kinda looney byt Janet did smack her. TMZ broke the video.

Once again for the slow people in the back: Janet never snapped Paris and Paris debunked it herself on Twitter.

*slapped

A lot of racist panzeez up in here. Stay mad that an iconic black woman is still getting her roses, with her most recent honor being the selection of her Rhythm Nation 1814 album into the Library of Congress, while JT can barely get arrested.

The sad thing is the Madonna et al kiss was far from edgy or controversial in 2003. Just a bunch of fake PR shills running fake stories about fake outrage, which they still do today.

R45 the race-baiting ‘you just hate her because she is a black Kween’ troll has entered the thread. I think Madge is a sad thot, too. Feel better?

[quote]Another bombshell he plans to reveal is the sad ending to his best friend makeup artist Kevyn Aucoin’s life. “Not one celebrity showed up. Not Liza [Minnelli]. Not Gwyneth [Paltrow]. Not even Cher. No one was there for him when he was dying. There were maybe six of his celeb friends, and his family at the funeral. It was very sad,” he said.

So what was it. six celebrities or not one. The boy seems confused.

EVERYONE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE KNOWN THIS.

WHO DIDN'T KNOW OR PRETENDED SO BESIDES JANET AND JUSTIN? All the basic, American rubes who watch the Super Bowl? Are they that stupid?

I don't think so. If you took the singers' word for it that it was a "wardrobe malfunction," complete with a detailed pastie to cover Janet's nipple, then you a DAMN FOOL.

Janet was in on it and it was HARMLESS ANYONE.

There is nothing for Justin to apologize for. It was overblown at the time and people are still overblowing it.

THIS BLOWS, STOP FEEDING THIS PUBLICITY.

You need to learn how to read, R20.

That website doesn't say ANYTHING about Ken Sunshine taking credit for the wardrobe malfunction. It says Sunshine Sachs worked on the wardrobe malfunction situation and it was controversial.

Christ, I'm so exhausted with fucking morons like you saying stupid shit and wasting everyone's time.

I noticed that as well, R48.

Anyone who uses misspelled slurs like "panzeez" should be put on ignore ASAP. They're obviously long-time homophobes who know to use misspellings to try to get past filters.

I didn't realize the Janet stan we had on DL was a homophobe. Lord, how many years has that asshole been on DL? Over 10, right? Exhausting.

R21 if people want to cancel JT for popping out that old black titty, then Chris Brown doesn’t stand a chance. He will beat the snot out of bitches.

R53 probably some cunt from Lipstick Alley.

You ignorant pustule, r51!

Who are you and why are you so invested in denying Ken Sunshine devised Titty-Gate!?

This from the Wikipedia entry for Ken Sunshine:

"His clients have included John Thain, Barbra Streisand, Ben Affleck, the Michael Jackson estate and Harvey Weinstein.[10][11][12] His best-known work included representing Justin Timberlake after a “wardrobe malfunction” at Timberlake's Super Bowl XXXVIII performance with Janet Jackson in February 2004. As of 2009, nine-tenths of his clients were not celebrities.[13]"

[quote]*it was an accident.

It [bold]wasn't[/bold].

Funny how the word “pansies” gets R53’s panties twisted, but she cares nothing of the passive racism permeating the thread.

If it was on purpose then why did she look so shocked and frightened over it? Her face looked terrified. If this happened today it would've been a trending topic on Twitter for a day but that's about it. I picture somebody like Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande, or Cardi B saying "Yeah, I have titties. What about it?" and being completely unapologetic. People wouldn't stand for misogyny and racism and wouldn't allow it to wreck a career nowadays. I feel sorry for Janet.

Um, it was Janet’s body. Timbertwat was definitely in on it, but you’d be a fool to think Janet wasn’t. After slamming Madonna for years for her slutty ways, Janet wanted her sluttish moment of fame herself, perhaps because she felt her star beginning to wane. They both made a terrible mistake, and how they thought this would look like anything but a cheap publicity stunt I have no idea. But there’s no escaping responsibility—for EITHER of them.

[Quote] Btw, if anyone remembers that moment when Madonna, Britney and Christina kissed at the VMAs, the camera almost immediately zoomed in on Timberlake's reaction and he look pissed! He was probably trying to get back at Britney when with the whole wardrobe malfunction thing. Instead, he almost got himself in trouble with his stunt.

R59, so you think this stylist is lying? Because supposedly the original plan was for Janet to show her ass cheeks and then they decided to up the ante. If it was an accident as they first tried to claim, that means Justin was supposed to rip off the pleather cover and reveal a red bra cup. Which is... lame. You really think that was the big moment they were going for, and Janet was wearing that nipple shield by coincidence?

Janet didn’t deserve the shit she got for it, but she did herself no favors by playing innocent (not to mention the stupidity of pulling this stunt in the first place). She should have just owned it when she apologized. Instead were subject to this never ending It WAs aN aCCiDEnt! crap so her sycophants can throw a perennial pity party for her.

Jabba is the homophobe here. It loves to call people all manner of gay slurs. Please F&F Jabba.

I never liked him. Not cute. He looks like a hillbilly who should be living in a trailer in some backwoods in Alabama . I can easily picture him with missing teeth. His music is only ok. He seemed to treat women like dirt. I’ve never heard a good thing about him. . Meh.

Way more talented and successful than Janet ever was.

[quote]If it was on purpose then why did she look so shocked and frightened over it? Her face looked terrified.

It wasn't on purpose. One of the MTV producers of that year's HTS said that Janet was crying as she was carted off stage and whisked away. Her face said it all.

[quote]Way more talented and successful than Janet ever was.

Who? That hillbilly from N'STINK? Bitch, please. Not even on Janet's worse day.

Janet was already on a downward spiral by '04. The mainstream really stopped caring in the late 90s. After that she was more of an urban niche artist. I don't remember anyone being excited about Janet Jackson from the late 90s onward.

[quote]It wasn't on purpose. One of the MTV producers of that year's HTS said that Janet was crying as she was carted off stage and whisked away. Her face said it all.

Spin. MTV started scrambling the moment after it happened because NFL executives starting calling them right away. If she was crying, it was probably because everyone was flipping out and angry.

Janet's own choreographer promised there would be "shocking" moments in the show. MTV after the fact claimed they thought the choreographer was referring to Justin joining her onstage. But what would be "shocking" about that?

Janet's tailor, who was tasked with altering her corset at the last minute for the reveal is bound by a confidentiality agreement and can not say what the plan was. Why, if the plan was merely to reveal her bra as she claimed? If he was contracted to alter the garment so that only the leather portion pulled away but not the red bra, that would settle it once and for all. But Janet hasn't released him from the agreement, because either that was not the plan or she wants this controversy to continue.

This is such bullshit. Janet knows the only time anyone talks about her is once a year during Superbowl, so of course she's gonna milk this for as long as she can. Why? Because SHE. HAS. NOTHING. ELSE.

I repeat- SHE. HAS. NOTHING. ELSE.

She is a has been of epic proportions. Face it, Jabba, the only thing Fat Ass Jackson has going for her is exposing her ugly tit 14 years ago. She's no better than Jessica Hahn (except Jessica Hahn had better tits.)

Poor R67, covering her ears and screaming to avoid the TRUTHS TOLD at R26.

This is basically one of the biggest failed publicity stunts of all time. It reeks of utter desperation. Imagine claiming it was an accident...just how many dresses have DETACHABLE BREASTS?! The thing was planned for the start and I actually frankly fathom how they thought this would be anything other than a complete...embarrassment.

*CAN’T fathom

So Justin and Janet wanted to one-up the Christina/Britney/Madonna kiss (specifically the Britney and Madonna one) and that was the reason for that whole scandal? Hmm. I can't imagine why they'd think it would work and wouldn't backfire. Maybe they expected a little backlash but not as much as they received. Regardless, if they planned it, it wasn't very smart. Janet was in the business for a long time. She should've known better. I wouldn't risk doing something like that now much less 2004 when there wasn't all these social media platforms for people to throw fits and defend you if you're "cancelled" for unjust reasons.

[quote] *CAN’T fathom

Speaking of biggest failures.

R75 guilty as charged, my own personal Nipplegate, although in this case, definitely not planned!

I love JJ , but this doesn’t absolve her from her part in the stunt...if anything it confirms that she’s been lying about it being a “malfunction”

I personally don’t think he did anything wrong. He apologized and she didn’t want to. That’s not his fault.

This. Was. Not. A. Wardrobe. Malfunction!!! But it's nice that an insider is finally spilling the tea. Not surprising in the least that the claim was this plot was Justin's idea.

I remember watching this in real-time when it happened. This was no accident. That tittie was costumed and ready for prime time nationwide viewing. Janet's "shocked" expression was meant to be part of the act, the audience seeing her initial "surprise" in the final moment as the show fades to black. It's a SHOW, for fuck's sake. 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

The only way this was a "wardrobe malfunction" was by publicist narrative, when the totally predictable and immediate pearl-clutching reaction began to swell out of control the next day. Janet's been suffering the professional consequences ever since, while Justin walked away relatively unscathed just as he did after all that toxic bro sliming of Britney Spears.

It takes TWO to tango. Just saying

Jesus Christ, move the fuck on. This was almost 20 years ago. It was Janet's show. JANET. Justin was a guest star. She would have had to approve everything. He didn't put a gun to her head or her precious tittie.

She chose shock and controversy. Whatever the fallout was fell on her. I agree it sucked that his career blossomed after this but like another poster said, she should have known better. Causing shit at the MTV Awards is completely different than the Super Bowl. She should have known that.

It was all planned. If she was wearing a bra underneath then it would have stayed in place. Justin is not very strong, and bra cups don’t pop off.

I blame her for thinking she could flash a tit and no one would notice.

She looks ill

R61, that wasn't his face when they kissed. That was his face as he saw them together on stage. But when they kissed, the camera zoomed in on his face and he looked PISSED

He could have "accidentally" opened his fly just before jumping on the Super Bowl stage. We may have seen pubes and the top portion of his shaft. Maybe, if we were lucky, his whole cock would just flop out. But I digress...

Justin is such a beta male bitch.

Jesus, she looks like Koko the Gorilla in that photo at R83.

Her makeup was so garish that night. It wasn't sexy. She looked desperate. An aging woman trying desperately to hold on to her sex kitten image.

Sad.

You can tell it was planned because she has the large nipple jewelry in her floppy discolored fun bag.

She should have recreated her iconic Rolling Stone cover instead. Except that Justin's hands would have been at knee level.

FF’d the racist at R87. Gladly.

[quote]An aging woman trying desperately to hold on to her sex kitten image.

But enough about HAGdonna

[quote] FF’d the racist at [R87]. Gladly.

You mad, homophobe?

I remember when it was announced Janet Jackson was doing the Superbowl my friends and co-workers were like "why? She isn't even popular anymore." She was a has-been already, the Superbowl was just the last nail in the coffin for her career.

^Lol, sure, Jan. Would these “friends” happen to be a dozen or so of your multiple personalities?

Remember when Jabba would post photos of the Glastonbury audience and try and pass it off as a Janet Jackson concert?

Faggy faggy two by four. What’s on R93’s lip? A cold sore?

r95 Janet Jackson was over in the mainstream around the turn of the Millennium. After that, she was more of an urban niche artist. Nobody else was checking for Janet Jackson after the late 90s. That's just the way it went.

Janet was the biggest female pop star in 2000-2001.

2000:

A #1 film

A #1 hit song from that film which made her the first artist to get a Hot 100 #1 in the 80s/90s/2000s

2001:

A #1 album (her fifth consecutive, the only female artist to achieve this at the time) which was the biggest first week sales of her career

Her 10th Hot 100 #1 which set records at radio, went on to win a Grammy, and became the longest-running #1 song that year

MTV’s first decorated ICON

A world tour that garnered big ratings when aired on HBO

I remember when she got a standing O just walking out onstage at Aretha’s Divas Live special...

Sorry Janbot but Janet Jackson was over in the mainstream after the late 90s. The pop world had moved on.

Madonna's Music was a much, much bigger hit than Janet's All For you. And Britney's Oops I did It Again was also much bigger than All For You. She was nowhere near the best selling female artist of 2000-2001

Janet was mostly a "black thing" after the Millennium started. In fact, I don't remember whites being all that into The Velvet Rope in the late 90s. The mid-90s were around the last time that whites stopped giving a shit about Janet Jackson, same with her kiddie fucking brother.

Sorry R101, but Madonna’s MUSIC and Britney’s Oops weren’t shit next to AFY. Neither of those singles won a Grammy, ran 7 straight weeks at #1 or broke records at radio. Janet’s single did all three.

But you tried it.

Madonna and Britney were much bigger than Janet in 2000. Much as I couldn't stand Britney, she was everywhere that year. I don't even remember Janet's #1 single. Again, she was mostly an urban artist by then.

R103, you realize that sales determine who was bigger right? Oops and Music sold more than All For You. Case closed.

Madonna and Britney were shining Janet’s shoes in 2001. I think the AZT is addling R104’s brain.

R104 says the same thing in every Janet thread. The glaring falsity just becomes more obvious each time.

It's true r107. I know you're a hood rat and have never been in mainstream society, but Janet Jackson was over in the mainstream in the late 90s.

It’s ALMOST OFFICIAL then!

Timberpussy has been over for a long time. This scene of a disinterested audience at his HT show tells the tale...

The pearl clutching over this was funny when it happened. Now it's just sad to look back on it. I wonder where all those angry prudes are now. Probably 6 feet under.

Oh yeah, and Janet didn’t know anything about it and was just an innocent victim. Okay, sure Jan(et).

Garbage’s song “Sex Is Not the Enemy” was about the silliness of the whole brouhaha over the incident.

Janet singlehandedly created YouTube from her right tit.

Congratulations to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis!

She must've known that her brother was fucking those kids.

Jehovah wasn't the only thing that fat cow witnessed.

Neither Madonna, Janet, Britney nor Justin are artists or singers. They are performers and heavily reliant on producers and needed controversies to sell. Controversies can backfire because you don't know how the audience will react. Nipplegate was a controversy that backfired on Janet. Not too dissimilar from Madonna's Sex book backfiring too. Britney's relationship with JT, kissing Madonna and her breakdown kept her in the spotlight longer than she really had any business being.

Meanwhile real artists and singers like Pink, Jill Scott, Bruno Mars, Jazmin Sullivan and Fiona Apple will continue to age and still get booked because they have talent

[quote] Meanwhile real artists and singers like Pink, Jill Scott, Bruno Mars, Jazmin Sullivan and Fiona Apple will continue to age and still get booked because they have talent

Yeah, I'm sure Madonna is looking at their careers and thinking- gosh, if only I had their success.

Dumb fuck.

[quote] The mid-90s were around the last time that whites stopped giving a shit about Janet Jackson, same with her kiddie fucking brother.

Michael Jackson was the biggest pop star of all time. Whites never stopped giving a shit about him and many of his defenders are white women.

Is Fiona Apple really still getting booked anywhere?

[quote]Michael Jackson was the biggest pop star of all time. Whites never stopped giving a shit about him and many of his defenders are white women.

Nobody in the US gave a shit about Michael Jackson after 1994. He was still popular in Europe, because they tend to be about 10 years behind pop culture trends.

[quote] Nobody in the US gave a shit about Michael Jackson after 1994. He was still popular in Europe, because they tend to be about 10 years behind pop culture trends.

Funny, I'm American and he was still well-known in the 2000s because of all his erratic behavior. Also everyone compared to Timberlake and Usher to MJ and when he died in 2009, MTV and BET played his videos nonstop. You must have been living under the rock in the 2000s.

[quote] Madonna's Music was a much, much bigger hit than Janet's All For you. And Britney's Oops I did It Again was also much bigger than All For You. She was nowhere near the best selling female artist of 2000-2001

Sad because All For You was a much better album than both of those. Madonna regressed so much after Ray of Light and OIDIA was standard bubblegum pop. All For You was a pretty good album though not as good as Janet's 80s and 90s stuff.

Madonna is very much an artist. Yes, she was controversial but there was artistic expression involved there. She wrote or co-wrote a lot of her material. And no, it wasn't just "adding two words to get a songwriting credit." The people she's worked with have all praised her. Nile Rodgers has said she's his favorite out of all the artists she's worked with.

I'll give you Britney, though. She was nothing but an assembly-line product who was created by committee and had no talent. Her huge success was baffling to me.

[quote]Michael Jackson was the biggest pop star of all time.

Historically, yes. By the early 90s his plastic surgery and bizarre behavior made him unpalatable to the masses. Only his hardcore fans loved him. The first molestation scandal in '93 ended his popularity with the mainstream and people were repulsed by him.

[quote] And no, it wasn't just "adding two words to get a songwriting credit."

Did someone call me?

Fiona Apple only had one good song. She was a pretentious bore and bugfuck crazy.

r121 rehab

All these comments just reminded me of the super pathetic nip slip red carpet trend that followed this. Every other week another carpet shark ‘accidentally’ slipped a little nip to the paps to remain relevant. Snap some vag if they’re doubly desperate.

justin was just a po' frau's remy shand

I believe Madonna wrote songs but she comes across as a shrewd businesswoman who cares more about her popularity than art for arts sake. Katy Perry, Taylor Swift and Mariah Carey also write their songs and they do it for commercial purposes too. In order to be an artist, you need to bare your soul, break from convention and take some risks. Fiona Apple, Jill Scott, Tori Amos, Erykah Badu and Lorde do that. Madonna's songwriting is very simple and she's never done anything challenging lyrically. Her visuals were always a big selling point.

Madonna's written some confessional songs. Live To Tell, Oh Father, and Promise To Try among others.

Madonna broke out because she came on the scene at the right time when MTV was ramping up. She fully embraced the music video format and used it as a medium to promote her songs.

[quote]Snap some vag if they’re doubly desperate.

Did someone call me?

[quote]She must've known that her brother was fucking those kids.

Of course she did. She's a pedophile protector and defender. They all knew but they didn't want to interrupt the flow of money. Janet would have had no career without him.

[quote]Madonna is very much an artist.

If it wasn't for Michael, Janet would be cleaning Rebbie's floors.

And cleaning them as well as she could sing R137 - badly.

[quote]Madonna's written some confessional songs.

Yeah we get it you don't like Madonna. But your opinion doesn't matter.

r133 but didn't madge hide behind vinyl to be sold as an 'urban artist' after mainstream radio threw her in the bin?

Janet's latest honor is that her still-culturally relevant Rhythm Nation 1814 album was just added to the Library of Congress National Recording registry, which deems the album "culturally, historically, or artistically significant." This is an honor that she now has in common with her brother, Elvis, The Stones, Prince and many, MANY other legendary icons.

Madonna, Justin, Britney et. al., are still waiting in the wings.

Justin, Madonna, Janet and Britney are all irrelevant honestly. They haven't made any good music in a while and they're old now. They all were a product of the MTV era so their looks and sex appeal was a big selling point. They had good runs though especially Madonna. I don't find any of them extremely talented just very lucky, ambitious and marketable. You can find more talent at a local urban arts school or church.

"Bugfuck crazy" Fiona Apple is a real artist and she released an album last year that got critically praised. The Weeknd despite his Grammy snub had the biggest single last year. Beyoncé is a good singer, is still popular and like Madonna used the music video format to her advantage in the streaming era. Pink still gets hit singles once and a while. Jennifer Hudson is now playing Aretha Franklin.

hmm.

R118 lists Pink as an “artist” come on now

R145 Well, Pink can sing unlike Madonna, Janet or Britney. So there's that.

The Beatles' looks and sex appeal were a big selling point. The Rolling Stones' looks and sex appeal were a big selling point. That's part of entertainment.

Fiona Apple is one of the most overrated artists, not much "there" there. And her fans tend to be pretentious twats.

I don't think anyone's going to really know who Justin and Britney were 50 years from now but I do think people will be aware of who Madonna was, and her songs will still be of interest.

uh huh

r147

TL;DR Is an exposed breast still 'a thing'?

r150 yes

The internet has canceled Justin Timberlake’s “MAY!” meme and given it to someone more deserving: