Oscar Nominations Part 2

To the SAG voters on the previous thread, once you start giving acting awards to the cast of Bridgerton, it’s probably time to just stop giving out acting awards.

Any SAG predictions bitches?

I predict I won't give a shit

This is what it’s like when none of the racists show up.

Viola Davis, SAG winner!

stupid politic ...it is embarrasing to be black now

now only race is important...white kid was killed few days ago by policeman , NOBODY fucking cares.. but if that kid was BLACK, lol we know what would have happened. blacklivesmatter, yeah?

I finally suffered through Hillbilly Elegy. Why isn't anyone talking about how atrocious Amy Adams was? She should have gotten the Razzie nomination.

So who is it girls, Miss Viola Davis or Carey Mulligan? Who will be queen victim April 25?

Andra Day

Hillbilly Elegy wasn't that bad. It just became trendy to hate it. Sort of like Cats last year or whenever it was.

There are a LOT of way worse movies than both of these.

R9 Frances McDormand

Andra Day.

Would it burn St Vi more if she lost to Carey Mulligan or another woman of color, the divine Miss Andra Day?

I think losing to Andra Day would hurt more. She can't cry racism and she would lose the title of second black woman to win.

Are we still thinking G’s going to finally win?

R16 No, the old lady will be winning.

Yes, G is a perky 25.... like me.

"[R16] No, the old lady will be winning."

If you are referring to Youn You-Jung, she is actually one year younger than G.

Just watched The United States vs. Billie Holiday- Easily one of the worst films of the year. Suzan Lori parks is proof that Operation Bootstrap has been in full swing for years. She is a horrible writer. And I swear elves must have come in a re-directed Precious overnight for it to turn out as fantastically as it did because Lee Daniels has never made another watchable movie.

Billie Holliday was awful, indeed. Day submitted to the torture porn kinks of Daniels almost heroically but she doesn’t deserve an Oscar for it. Nomination is the reward. The performance I’ve seen twice and that still haunts me is Vanessa Kirby’s. She packed a real punch and out of nowhere, if we’re talking about who ‘deserves’ it...

Day deserves the fucking Oscar and that’s that. Vanessa Kirby was good but I’ve see that before and better. Day was startling and transcendent.

R22 I’ve seen it before but I really don’t know if I have seen it better. Where have you? Day was startling, good word for it, I’d love to see more serious projects from her. I don’t think it’s a slam dunk, always misgivings if the rest of the project is so poor (like Renee, Kate, etc). Carey also was no slouch. Then there was minor Frances, minor Viola.

[quote] I don’t think it’s a slam dunk, always misgivings if the rest of the project is so poor

I thought it was a slam dunk. There are plenty of brilliant performances that have been nominated for or won the Oscar even though they were in mediocre films. Her work here was phenomenal and she managed to both transcend and lift the film.. Add to that her masterful singing - she sounded eerily like Holiday - and she’s sort of undeniable.

I thought Day was fine (and she definitely sounded like Billie, singing wise) but I always felt like I was watching a performance. I never saw her listening to anyone or taking in the things around her. She was always waiting for her cue.

Oh, and I forgot to add... Trevante Rhodes was godawful. I was shocked. He was so damn good in Moonlight. I thought he deserved the Oscar over Mahershala Ali. I haven't seen much from him since, only Bird Box, in which EVERYONE was terrible. But I'm hoping he will give another good performance sometime.

No way is Day winning. Kirby will win it before she does.

Kirby is in last place of the five. McDormand has a better chance than her.

R25 Yeah. The chick was ok, maybe ‘pretty good’, not transcendent or she would have won something more than the tacky Globe haha.

the black actresses will split the woke vote and Carey will carry the feminist vote

[quote] I never saw her listening to anyone or taking in the things around her. She was always waiting for her cue.

R25 Then you must not have been watching closely enough. Take this scene, for example, in which she listens and, at first, reacts quietly, myriad feeling washing over her drained and mottled visage, before bursting out into laughter that is at once infectious, tragic, and cathartic. She’s exquisite.

Too late, sorry. Don't care.

R31....MARY!

The only fault with Andra Day’s performance is that she’s not in a better movie. I had to ffwd through the last 25 minutes or so, it just became so boring.

She was great but I can’t see awarding such a terrible film.

The same could be said about Vanessa Kirby. She’s fantastic but the film just kind of meanders to a not very convincing courtroom finale - not at all where I thought that film would end up. I look forward to what she does next. The nomination is deserved but the film isn’t worthy.

I’m hoping Kate Winslet will win with a write-in vote.

I'm tired of McDormand playing "scrappy.:"

Watched Ma Rainey tonight. Yikes. August Wilson is the dramatic Neil Simon in that his characters never speak like real people; they're just vessels for his dialogue. And it's even more evident on film. I didn't get the sense that I was watching one single flesh and blood person in Ma Rainey. It all added up to a whole lot of nothing.

And the performances... I don't know what Chadwick Boseman was playing, but he was actually pretty terrible. And I am an admirer of his. He just motormouthed through the entire performance. I'm not even sure he knew what he was playing. And his big speech about his mother came so out of nowhere that the poor guy was at sea. Really unfortunate. And Viola was awful. I didn't believe a minute of her performance. I did like Colman Domingo very much, but I've never seen him give a bad performance. He came closest to being a real person. Glynn Turman and Michael Potts were also good, they just didn't have enough to do, unfortunately. Domingo reminded me of Stephen McKinley Henderson in Fences, who was the only actor in that who felt like a real person, probably because he worked with Wilson so much, he understood better how to make the dialogue work. Just a huge shrug all the way around. I will be super pissed if Boseman wins the Oscar because Hopkins is so fucking good, his work may be the best lead male performance since DDL in My Left Foot.

Since DDL in My Left Foot, huh? That’s quite a callback. (And negates Hopkins’ 1st win.)

It doesn't "negate" anyone's performance. I said DDL's performance (IMO) has been the best in 30+ years, including Hopkins in SOTL. It doesn't mean no one who's won has given a good or deserving performance since 1989. And I happen to think The Father is the best performance Hopkins has ever given, well beyond SOTL. (I also think Lecter was a supporting performance, but that's neither here nor there.)

Poor Viola.

Boseman and Davis are locks - they can't snub Boseman without making the Black Twitter go crazy and they can't give Boseman's body one without awarding Viola as well (otherwise Twitter warriors are gonna go like "Oh, so black actors have to die first in order to win an Oscar").

nah r42 Daniel Kaluya is winning supporting so there can be no racist cries if Viola loses (especially if it is to Andra.)

Sorry, R42, Davis is NOT a lock. And your reasoning is ridiculous.

And Boseman is NOT a lock, either. The Academy consists of a lot of members who aren’t eating up his overwrought, hammy, self-pitying performance like the Twitterati do. And his death will have next to no impact.

Kaluuya is probably a lock at this point, and I want to say Boseman is, except that, as people are finally getting around to seeing The Father, they are seeing a spectacular Hopkins performance (matched ably by Colman). The BAFTA, which could easily be chalked up to locals rewarded Hopkins, often influence Oscar voting (like Colman upsetting Close at both).

Actress is wide open at this point, and legitimately 4 of them can win (I think Kirby is the one we can safely say doesn't have support enough). Supporting Actress is less wide open (Youn Yuh-jung's perfectly fine performance has probably pulled ahead of Bakalova and Close, but both are still close enough).

It is entirely possible three persons of color could win, and if Boseman wasn't one of them, Twitter would still explode about racism. And that's a problem with Twitter...

Twitter would find something to complain about if every nominee in every category was black.

Olivia Colman should have been nominated in the lead actress category and she would comfortably beat the shit out of everyone this year, even that constantly grumpy, constipated Frances. But she will win from THE FATHER anyway.

PS. Andra Day is like a high school musical league compared to the great Marion Cotillard if we are talking about actresses playing real-life singers.

R48 Bitch, please. The fact that you’re rooting for that overrated buck tooth retard looking bitch says it all, really. She couldn’t do what Day - or G, for matter - does, though Cotillard is excellent, I’ll give you that.

That was mean of me, but don’t fuck with Day’s exquisite work or G’s deserved moment to finally win. I actually like Olivia, though.

If they can give it to M for that ghastly “Metal Woman” or whatever it’s called (G should’ve won that year), they can give it to Glenn this year

Frances was anything but constipated in Nomadland.

Olivia was overrated in The Father. But then again, she's been overrated in everything she's ever done.

G will be fated like Annette Bening to lose twice to the same actress. What a cruel twist of fate to befall a geriatric actress in her twilight years.

if G loses it will be to the Korean woman

Gays, how are you spending the Oscars this year? Having vaccinated friends over, watching with just your partner or just alone following with us on DL?

I think I'll tape it and then fast forward to the interesting parts and skip the filler. I didn't like a single movie that is nominated in the major categories.

I read an article where they quoted Soderbergh say the goal was to get out in and out in 3 hours with all 24 categories televised. This usually amounts to about 3 and a half hours when it's all said and done. They will be having hubs in multiple locations for nominees not able to be at the Union Station site. London will have the next biggest hub apparently. The gays will need to buy extra wine for the 4 hour show.

i haven't watched the show in years. I won't be breaking that streak.

I'm very excited about this year. I don't have to go and risk infection PLUS I get to see G and Viola probably lose. Perfect!

Why do you think anyone cares, R58?

All you’re telling us is that you’re old. Congratulations!

Only a moron like you would think that someone being old is an insult, R60.

Putting the Oscar nominated songs into the pre-show will help move things along. I wonder what else will go in there.

I watched Quo Vadis, Aida this weekend — nominee for best international film (it’s on HULU). One of the best movies I saw this Oscar year. Completely shattering. The lead actress should have been nominated as well.

I heard G's therapist is already preparing to be on standby for Sunday night.

Indiewire had the nicest Anonymous Ballots I've ever read. Give me THR's bitter Academy voters any day.

[quote]“A few surprises in the Best Actor/Actress categories, as there were performances of equal or greater merit that were left out, including Delroy Lindo in “Da 5 Bloods.” - Producer #1

So fucking true.

[quote] I got lavish Netflix gift boxes for both “Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom” and “Mank.” That was weird, to get a box with a bottle of expensive whiskey about a movie about a drunk man who vomits on William Randolph Hearst’s carpet. Wait a second, this was all about alcoholism! Honestly, I was was looking forward to “Mank,” and it was like, “Really? This is the experience I’m being taken through?” - Producer #2

😂 I agree about Mank. I thought the same thing.

[quote] got lavish Netflix gift boxes for both “Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom”

Um, what was in THIS gift box...?

Did the Hollywood Reporter do its “bitter Academy voters” roundup this year R65? I don’t see it on their website.

I just watched "Judas and the Black Messiah" last night and was wondering why Daniel Kaluuya didn't get a best actor nomination. His performance was certainly stronger than Riz Ahmed for "Sound of Metal."

I think Kaluuya is placed well enough in Supporting, and since he's swept the awards thus far it was obviously the right choice. I still can't quite justify Lakeith Stanfield getting a nomination in that category, even though part of me is just happy that he got a nomination even in the wrong category.

For me, Ahmed and Hopkins are the only ones who really deserve to be nominated in Actor. Oldman is miscast, Yeun is fine but nothing special, and Boseman is a nomination based purely on sentiment.

Lindo and Mikkelsen should’ve replaced Yeun and Oldman.

[quote]Did the Hollywood Reporter do its “bitter Academy voters” roundup this year [R65]? I don’t see it on their website.

Nope. The Daily Beast has also done their version of Anonymous Ballots in the past but they've not done one this year either.

[quote]I think Kaluuya is placed well enough in Supporting, and since he's swept the awards thus far it was obviously the right choice. I still can't quite justify Lakeith Stanfield getting a nomination in that category, even though part of me is just happy that he got a nomination even in the wrong category.

I'm surprised the Academy allowed that. The Hollywood Foreign Press - for all of their faults - would not have allowed that. Stanfield belonged in the lead. He was the Judas in JUDAS AND THE BLACK MESSIAH, and his story was the main focus. If they're both Supporting who is the lead - Jesse Plemons? But I am so proud for Stanfield and it's deserved.

I was not impressed by Ahmed's performance in SOUND OF METAL. He gave a much better performance in MOGUL MOWGLI, though it is not as good of a film as SOUND OF METAL. Raci was incredible.

In any other year Tom Hanks would have gotten a nod just for the fact he's Tom Hanks. This year it would have been deserved. He was wonderful in NEWS OF THE WORLD. Great film.

[quote] I was not impressed by Ahmed's performance in SOUND OF METAL.

Neither was I, but the Academy considers an actor throwing stuff around and breaking things the equivalent of an Oscar-worthy performance.

[quote] just alone following with us on DL

I wouldn't consider doing it any other way, Covid or not.

Another Indiewire Anonymous Ballot from a director.

Vanessa Kirby is really good in “Pieces of a Woman,” but it is actively bad in places. The opening sequence is great, then the movie doesn’t know what to do with Ellen Burstyn, a great actress. Wait, she is not her grandmother but her mother? Why is she 88 with a 32-year-old-daughter? “We wanted Burstyn in the movie.” I felt sorry for Kirby; she was giving it her all. She’ll have other chances. This is a bit of mess; it’s not her year.

Supporting Actress

It’s Youn Yuh-jung’s to lose [for “Minari”]. I’ll vote for her, I loved her BAFTA speech. She’s great in the movie. I felt more strongly about her as a person than the other nominees. I’d be happy if she won.

Isn’t Glenn Close the only one to earn nominations for the Oscar and the Razzie in the same year [for “Hillbilly Elegy”]? [Editor’s note: Yes.] She should have won for “The Wife.” This could be a career-award thing when she should have won for something else. Olivia Colman is great in “The Father.” Amanda Seyfried is the thing that makes [“Mank”].

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[quote]Vanessa Kirby is really good in “Pieces of a Woman,” but it is actively bad in places. The opening sequence is great, then the movie doesn’t know what to do with Ellen Burstyn, a great actress. Wait, she is not her grandmother but her mother? Why is she 88 with a 32-year-old-daughter? “We wanted Burstyn in the movie.” I felt sorry for Kirby; she was giving it her all. She’ll have other chances. This is a bit of mess; it’s not her year.

lol this made me laugh. I thought the same thing when I first watched that movie about Bursytn playing the mother of 30 something woman. I love Burstyn, but that was a weird casting and I wonder which other actresses were considered for that part.

I'm already calling "In the Heights" as a major Oscar contender for next year. It's so damn good.

You didn’t sign your post Lynn Stairmaster of “Les Mis will earn 30 Oscar nominations” fame, so now I’m intrigued, R78.

The Letterboxed reviews on ITH are saying it’s fine but no raves. Plus it’s a summer release. Maybe a song nom but that’s it.

R80, Just wait and see.

No thanks. I remember RENT.

R82, Stay pressed.

I think that gay who comes in here with her panties in a twist for Andra Day is Miss Lawrence.

Lakeith should be nominated for adding the ‘La’ to his name.

Les Miserables got eight nominations, R79, which wasn’t exactly a poor showing.

[quote] It’s a shame other elements have to come into [this race] other than actual merits. Chadwick Boseman is a brilliant actor, but I did not connect with “Ma Rainey” as some people did. There’s a huge outpouring of grief for his premature death. He’s somebody who should have given us another 30-40 years of work. It’s terribly sad. He will win partly as a tribute for his body of work. Nobody will be mad when he does.

I will be. He flat out doesn't deserve the Oscar. He's not very good in a not very good movie.

I’ll be mad, too. His performance is embarrassingly self-indulgent and over the top.

It was really self-involved of Chadwick to die when he did. If he hadn't nobody would be paying any attention to him and all the focus would be on me. I mean I have the Oscar, I have the Emmy, I have 2 Tonys, I've done.....He just did a superhero movie.

See how I suffer? Why do these things always happen to me?

Viola, you should be thrilled Chadwick died. No one would be talking about your shitty movie otherwise.

That BU hottie Zach Ruggiero has put out his Oscar predictions. He said he’d cut off his dick live if Chadwick Boseman doesn’t win. I hope he at least waits until I get to suck it off first

Watch Hopkins upset 😂

It's a lot harder than he thinks.

I loved Hillbilly Elegy. Team Close.

THR's Brutally Honest Ballot.

BEST ACTOR

It's an exceptionally strong category. Gary Oldman is an extraordinary actor, but he just won recently, and Mank isn't great. Anthony Hopkins was fantastic in The Father, but performances like that lose a couple of points with me because they feel a little Oscar-grabby. [Minari's] Steven Yeun feels like he is one of the major actors to watch — his face is so compelling, he's so subtle, he has real power. He will win an Oscar, but not this year. [Ma Rainey's Black Bottom's] Chadwick [Boseman] is going to win — every performance he ever gave was amazing, and he was, by all accounts, one of the most incredible, generous gentlemen our industry has seen. But I just didn't connect to Ma Rainey's. Riz Ahmed's performance is naturalistic, romantic and heartbreaking. I have a bucket list of actors I want to work with in my life, and he has been on it for a long time.

Let's face it, 2020 was a bad year all around - movies included.

The best movies I saw this year were two of the international nominees: Another Round and Quo Vadis, Aida.

Agree, R97. Another Round was intelligent up to the end. No way that teacher danced like a fool like that in front of his seniors.

Even Mads Mikkelsen was originally concerned about the dance scene.

Vulture: I know you were concerned with the film ending with a dance. Why?

Mads: My concern was that it’s a realistic film. I kept saying, “Listen, this is dangerous. We can come across as super-pretentious. A regular man gets up, and he starts dancing. It’s just crazy.” So in my world, it was always a drunken man’s fantasy. Thomas disagreed completely. And the more we did the film, and the film became a tribute to life, the more it made sense to me.

It was still pretentious and a big mistake.

[quote]Riz Ahmed's performance is naturalistic, romantic and heartbreaking. I have a bucket list of actors I want to work with in my life, and he has been on it for a long time.

Ruben was not romantic, making his GF breakfast, that's a normal part of being in a relationship, any partner should do that. Small gestures to show you care, does that actually prove a person is 'romantic'? The Ruben character was self-centered and annoying. That doesn't take away from the good acting, but the character was somewhat excruciating.

Riz always seems to gravitate towards overwrought characters.

R52 Oh hi G.

Watched Trial of the Chicago 7, another overrated mess of 2020. Terrible performances all around with the exception of Mark Rylance, who was quite good. I wanted to like Langella, but he was so hamstrung by the way the character was written and directed that I just couldn't do it. There was no nuance to the judge, he was a cartoon villain.

Jeremy Strong was fucking terrible. He basically did an impression of Tommy Chong for two hours. Matching him in awfulness was Sacha Baron Cohen. How did THIS performance get an Oscar nomination? And the accents? Good Christ. Cohen, Eddie Redmayne and Alex Sharp all sounded like they were hearing the English language for the first time through an earpiece and being asked to repeat it.

It was shockingly terrible.

Started watching Mank last night. Maybe we were both tired, but it was kind of dull and insidery--kept having to look up "who is Irving Thalberg again?" and finally dropped out after about 45 minutes. Will try to finish it tomorrow AM

R104 yup I know. I adore Oldman, but it took me three sit downs to get through it. Great production design, but less than compelling story.

R104 The same thing happened to me; I kept nodding out!

Mank was a movie I wanted to like because behind the scenes stories about Hollywood. But, the end result with Mank wasn't great.

Mank was very disappointing but maybe my expectations were to high. Of all stories that can be told about Hollywood, old Hollywood is the most interesting.

'MANK' should have been called "WANK'.

R109 That’s what I nicknamed it months ago on here!