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The Trial of Derek Chauvin, P2

Continue on...part one below.

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by Anonymousreply 35620 hours ago

Thanks, OP.

by Anonymousreply 104/01/2021

I think the hot paramedic scared off the defense attorney. Ha. Ha.

by Anonymousreply 204/01/2021

Thanks OP!

by Anonymousreply 304/01/2021

Seth the paramedic is so hot and sweet! He really turned me on a made me feel alive today.

by Anonymousreply 404/01/2021

I'm waiting for a George Floyd Remembrance Day, national holiday to celebrate the life of a drug dealer, convict. All those weeping people on the witness stand are obviously crying because they won't see a cent of that twenty seven million dollars.

by Anonymousreply 504/01/2021

Because I have r5 blocked, I assume the trolls have already descended on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 604/01/2021

I have blocked him/her as well. I do not know if it is one vile motherfucker or many with sock puppet accounts, but I have for the first time started blocking the racists, ant-vaxers, homophobic, ect. trolls on DL. Muriel should step up and end this shit.

by Anonymousreply 704/01/2021

It's really been out of control the past few days r7. Muriel deleted the UberEats thread on Sunday/Monday (it got reposted), but since then, I've seen little real moderation.

by Anonymousreply 804/01/2021

I would gladly pay more money to be a member if we had more help here with these hateful, divisive trolls. I feel we have to confront them because we have a moral responsibly to not let them influence our young here on DL. I am also proud as hell of the people here who very intelligently and effectively do just that. Yet I know how exhausting that must be. I try but I have a temper and so I am not as effective as most here. I am so proud of my fellow DL'ers. 😊

by Anonymousreply 904/01/2021

Looks like the defense gave up. They are listless and basically proving the prosecution's case. Wow.

by Anonymousreply 1004/01/2021

R8 Once again, the Uber thread wasn’t “reposted.” I posted the story originally and then someone else posted it. It’s not unusual for the same story to be posted on the DL.

by Anonymousreply 1104/01/2021

Whatever, r10. Ultimately, that's not the point. One thread stayed, and one was deleted. They were both chock full of racist garbage, though.

by Anonymousreply 1204/01/2021

R12's going crazy.

by Anonymousreply 1304/01/2021

Whatever, r11. Ultimately, that's not the point. One thread stayed, and one was deleted. They were both chock full of racist garbage, though.

Apologies to r10!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 1404/01/2021

I admit I haven't followed this case all that closely, but I don't understand what Floyd having a drug problem has to do with his death. Even if the drugs in his system increased the likelihood of death, surely the only thing that matters legally is that if Chauvin hadn't knelt on his neck, he would still be alive?

by Anonymousreply 1504/01/2021

Yes please let's talk about the hot ginger EMT, he was too fine and I usually go ethnic.

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by Anonymousreply 1604/01/2021

R15- They can not defend his death, not 9 damn minutes choking off oxygen to a human being. They are trained in this. They knew exactly what they were doing. I have no idea why he isn't charged with first degree murder. This will be another "put the victim on trial" defense. It is despicable, but honestly all the defense has . Jmo

by Anonymousreply 1704/01/2021

I'm not watching any of the trial, our local news have snippets . I was surprised, tuned into BBC World News and they were carrying the trial.

by Anonymousreply 1804/01/2021

Derek Chauvin must be found guilty. He knew exactly what he was doing. He had multiple people screaming at him to stop what he was doing. If he had just moved his knee, George Floyd would still be alive today. But no. He wanted to show what a big, strong, masculine MAN he was by flaunting his authority. And he thought he could away with it because it was a black man and nobody cares what you do to a black person. Well, he needs to see he is wrong and suffer consequences for it. We need to show everyone that cops are not above the law and that racism will not be tolerated in this country.

by Anonymousreply 1904/01/2021

This is why the psycho cops think they can kill without question, because they have been allowed to for so long. Cell phone cameras play a hugh part in the public becoming aware of just how dangerous these cops have become, imo. You are right that they have to be shown those days are over and they will be held accountable for their actions. That it has been allowed to go on this long is a travesty. Black, white, yellow, brown- doesn't matter- that man was an america citizen executed on the street by the very people we pay to protect us. A fucking travesty. That was cold blooded murder.

by Anonymousreply 2004/01/2021

There's nothing else on the news networks. This is the most important event in human history.

by Anonymousreply 2104/01/2021

When a country's police force are allowed to murder it's citizens we should All be fucking enraged and terrified. I wanted to march with BLM, but that was their moment, so I stood on the side of the road and cheered them on, as did many, many people in my backwater southern town. These are our neighbors, nurses, friends, coworkers,ect, getting killed because of racist psychopaths. No fucking more.

by Anonymousreply 2204/01/2021

It makes me sad that a big chunk of the gay community maintains deplorable views--as an oppressed community, I expect more empathy toward other minorities. I'm glad to hear your voices though, R22, R20, R19, R17.

by Anonymousreply 2304/01/2021

As soon as that paramedic took a seat I knew he’d be making mamma’s mussy moist.

by Anonymousreply 2404/01/2021

I don't understand it at all either, R34. Not at all.

by Anonymousreply 2504/01/2021

R25 is a time traveler.

by Anonymousreply 2604/01/2021

[quote]I admit I haven't followed this case all that closely, but I don't understand what Floyd having a drug problem has to do with his death. Even if the drugs in his system increased the likelihood of death, surely the only thing that matters legally is that if Chauvin hadn't knelt on his neck, he would still be alive?

Defense is hoping that this will be enough of a "reasonable doubt" for one of the stupider jurors.

by Anonymousreply 2704/01/2021

How many here have a friend or family member who has struggled with addiction? I am raising my hand because I have several who have. Some survived addiction to become hard working, contributing members of society. Two sadly died of addiction. Did I love them less? Hell no. Did they deserve to be brutally murdered on the street by the very people paid to protect us? I do not think that defense will do anything other cause disgust for the defense lawyer .

by Anonymousreply 2804/01/2021

I was thinking dirty thoughts about the paramedic, too.

by Anonymousreply 2904/01/2021

So what if he used drugs? So what if he used a counterfeit dollar bill? Neither of those are crimes punishable by the death penalty so they shouldn't have been treated like they were. And even if they were, he is entitled to a trial. He gets murdered in the streets while Derek Chauvin gets to have his day in court.

They're going to try to blame his drug addictions and COVID for his death. I hope the jurors won't buy into it. Maybe they did contribute to it. But there would be no death TO contribute to if that bastard's knee wasn't on his neck. All that means is that there are other factors that made him easier to murder. It doesn't cancel out the act of murder. I don't see how the verdict can be anything other than guilty. I hope and pray they'll make the right decision.

by Anonymousreply 3004/01/2021

Let's be real here. If it was a fucking Karen that got pulled over, out of her mind due to an addiction to oxys, and several cops suffocated her to death like that, her family would be billionaires from it.

by Anonymousreply 3104/01/2021

Regardless of drugs, previous arrests, covid and passing a bad bill he was entitled to a trial.

by Anonymousreply 3204/01/2021

If one group of people have no rights, none of us truly do. I wish people understood this.

by Anonymousreply 3304/01/2021

Enjoy this rather horrifying story, r31

She asked repeatedly to go to the hospital and was denied. She ended up vomiting in her cell several times. Instead of getting her medical care, they brought her a mop; she is shown on security camera struggling to clean it up. A deputy reportedly told her, "“Unfortunately, since you’re DT’ing I’m not going to take you over to the hospital right now just to get your fix.”

The family settled for $2 million.

Being a "Karen" isn't enough to save everyone

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by Anonymousreply 3404/01/2021

The police are overrun with bullies and narcissistic incompetence. Those are unions that should be broken up.

by Anonymousreply 3504/01/2021

'I'm waiting for a George Floyd Remembrance Day, national holiday to celebrate the life of a drug dealer, convict. All those weeping people on the witness stand are obviously crying because they won't see a cent of that twenty seven million dollars.'

FUCK OFF KLAN GRANNY!

by Anonymousreply 3604/01/2021

Die Chauvin

by Anonymousreply 3704/01/2021

Yes, die. With a damn knee on your neck.

by Anonymousreply 3804/01/2021

Anybody who defends this thug cop—-may you have a run in with a cop like him who has disdain for you. You’re all begging karma to pay you a visit. And she will.

by Anonymousreply 3904/01/2021

Chauvin's former supervisor was sued by a prostitute he busted undercover in 2009. Apparently, he went undercover to a massage parlor to entrap these women into blowing him. He set up the transaction and allowed the woman to go down on him (or jerk him off, forget which one). Then arrested her for prostitution.

by Anonymousreply 4004/01/2021

If they find him not guilty the city should burn, and not just the center, they should take it to the suburbs and the "nice" areas, people need to be scared. The other cities will follow suit.

by Anonymousreply 4104/01/2021

And r41 how will that help anything? Societal collapse does nothing positive. And if the cities and suburbs burn, who is going to pay for all the benefits?

by Anonymousreply 4204/01/2021

I can understand why the bystanders didn't want to get involved, but what about the 3 other cops? They should have demanded Chauvin should back off of Floyd. Why didn't they do anything???

by Anonymousreply 4304/01/2021

[quote]I can understand why the bystanders didn't want to get involved, but what about the 3 other cops?

And break their vow of omertà? It was clear that even the dispatcher knew she was doing something that just isn't done when she started her call to the supervisor with, "you can call me a snitch if you want to..."

by Anonymousreply 4404/01/2021

More on the ginger

by Anonymousreply 4504/02/2021

Who is testifying now?

by Anonymousreply 4604/02/2021

The top cop just testified. He pretty much agreed Chauvin killed Floyd by not following protocol. There is no defence.

by Anonymousreply 4704/02/2021

Homicide Lt Zimmerman was last up and he had sent a letter of complaint regarding Chauvin's behavior in the George Floyd incident.

by Anonymousreply 4804/02/2021

I can't stand this douche defense attorney but he's probably the only one they could find to do this dirty work.

by Anonymousreply 4904/02/2021

I guess the defense is now trying to prove Zimmerman doesn’t have experience dealing with using force. But the guy is an investigator. He examines after the fact. It’s his job to actually investigate use of force. God I hate the defense attorneys. I know Chauvin is entitled to a defense but this is infuriating.

by Anonymousreply 5004/02/2021

Eric Nelson is certainly trying to stretch Zimmerman's words a bit too much. Surprised no objections.

by Anonymousreply 5104/02/2021

He just asked if an officer is in the fight of his life is it correct that he is allowed to use any means necessary to protect himself. Chauvin wasn't in the fight of his life!

by Anonymousreply 5204/02/2021

I know r52. The district attorney should point this out on redirect.

by Anonymousreply 5304/02/2021

But the handcuffs could have been too big!

But the handcuffs could have popped off!

But the handcuffs could have been surreptitiously swapped with easily broken ones made of papier-mâché!

by Anonymousreply 5404/02/2021

Don’t feel bad R50. My brother is a criminal defense attorney and is the biggest douche.

by Anonymousreply 5504/02/2021

Redirect was excellent.

by Anonymousreply 5604/02/2021

Chauvin is going down as he should.

by Anonymousreply 5704/02/2021

His defense attorney is awful. His appearance doesn’t help. He needs a haircut.

by Anonymousreply 5804/02/2021

Watching MSNBC and Andrea Mitchell was inaccurate. She said that if even one juror voted for a acquittal, Chauvin would be acquitted. Of course, that’s not true. That would result in a hung jury and he can be retried. Btw that testimony from Zimmerman was pretty damning for Chauvin.

by Anonymousreply 5904/02/2021

To be fair, r58, to me, this is as open and shut as a case can get. I mean, multiple witnesses, multiple videos, etc. if this were an ordinary murder trial of an ordinary citizen rather than a policeman, it would be over. So the defense attorney doesn’t have much to work with. But he still sucks!

by Anonymousreply 6004/02/2021

Hopefully Chauvin's hole will open and never shut in the pen before he gets fried.

by Anonymousreply 6104/02/2021

[quote]before he gets fried.

Huh r61?

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by Anonymousreply 6204/02/2021

Psst r62 they don't really fry. Dum dum ain't never heard of figure of speech. Chauvin is gonna get what he deserves. Stay on topic, hun.

by Anonymousreply 6304/02/2021

I get why Chauvin is incessantly taking notes--he's uncomfortable and unable to emote normally. But it really doesn't make him look good either...is he writing his memoirs? WTF?

by Anonymousreply 6404/02/2021

Which paramedic on the scene was hotter?

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by Anonymousreply 6504/02/2021

[quote]Watching MSNBC and Andrea Mitchell was inaccurate. She said that if even one juror voted for a acquittal, Chauvin would be acquitted. Of course, that’s not true

Andrea Mitchell is an ancient old dinosaur who should be forcibly retired. MSNBC would save a lot of $$$ from no longer having to use the Lucy "Mame" lenses.

by Anonymousreply 6604/02/2021

The Blacks are already making a list of stores where they will be doing their early Christmas shopping.

by Anonymousreply 6704/02/2021

That's not nice r67.

by Anonymousreply 6804/02/2021

R68, I have r67 blocked, so I don’t know what it said, but I’m sure it was shit, just like its brains.

by Anonymousreply 6904/02/2021

I have r67 blocked too. She's trotted out the same tired line several times now.

by Anonymousreply 7004/02/2021

I don't have cable so I've been watching Court TV. They've decided to take George Floyd's side to get the ratings. Usually they have a snide, anti-thug undercurrent- thanks to their baboon-faced host Vinnie (who is noticeably absent because he wants no part of this George Floyd lovefest).

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by Anonymousreply 7104/02/2021

You could tell that prosecution lady was getting moist from that ginger paramedic. Her voice was kinda wobbly. I don't blame her: how often do you find a masculine, deep-voiced redhead?

by Anonymousreply 7204/02/2021

You can tell it's going bad for the defense because the racist trolls are just desperately repeating the same lies and hateful rhetotic.

by Anonymousreply 7304/02/2021

^rhetoric

by Anonymousreply 7404/02/2021

"but I don't understand what Floyd having a drug problem has to do with his death."

Because he has was thrashing and twisting and caterwauling like a rodeo animal getting hogtied. And he'd be alive if he had just complied.

They want to say Chauvin had no choice but to knee him down.

by Anonymousreply 7504/02/2021

[quote]And he'd be alive if he had just complied.

Thank you for confirming he didn't die from a drug overdose. He was murdered.

by Anonymousreply 7604/02/2021

R75 Wrong.

Police should be able to use THEIR training to not murder someone. Chauvin wanted to kill him. Once he was unconscious, Chauvin had NUMEROUS options he did not utilize by choice because HE was emotional.

by Anonymousreply 7704/02/2021

[quote]Because he has was thrashing and twisting and caterwauling like a rodeo animal getting hogtied. And he'd be alive if he had just complied.

So are you claiming that an out of his mind thrashing twisting etc. druggie is somehow on the same level of comprehension as a sober normal person?

Choose a lane.

by Anonymousreply 7804/02/2021

People are high on drugs almost everywhere on the planet every day, resisting arrest, attacking police officers...but somehow only American police officers lack the proper training to handle them and not kill them in the process. The argument that Floyd would be still alive if he had just complied is ridiculous. American police officers should be able to arrest suspects without causing them harm.

by Anonymousreply 7904/02/2021

R79 BINGO

American police are infiltrated with white nationalists, racists, and ultra conservatives of all colors and genders. The do-gooders fled or retired from the toxic police culture.

by Anonymousreply 8004/02/2021

"attacking police officers"

Just want to be clear--Floyd didn't attack the police officers. Just like he didn't attack or threaten or pose any risk to the clerk who confronted him about the $20 bill. It's a product of our racist police state culture that we let them get away with claiming someone having an episode (whether drug or mental health induced) is a threat or attack on them.

by Anonymousreply 8104/02/2021

R81 Wall Street can loot billions from people yet I don’t see them being murdered by cops. The last president murdered 500,000 citizens yet golfs around getting even more obese by the second. Also, not murdered by police.

by Anonymousreply 8204/02/2021

r82 I meant to WW you and accidently hit FF. Apologies!!!

by Anonymousreply 8304/02/2021

R83 no worries!

by Anonymousreply 8404/02/2021

"attacking police officers"

I was talking about people in general, not George Floyd. Watch what happens after a football game all over Europe. Football fans are having fights with police or the rivaling team almost every Saturday. They attack police officers, spit on them, throw rocks and bottles, but no one gets killed. If American police officers handled European football fans, we would probably have hundreds of dead citizens every weekend bc they felt threatened and attacked.

by Anonymousreply 8504/02/2021

R85 Not true unless those Europeans were non-white. American cops would never and have never murdered violent white people the way they do violent black people. Then when you add in non-violent black people being murdered by cops, sheesh, it is obvious what is going on.

by Anonymousreply 8604/02/2021

I realize that R85, but I just wanted to be clear for the casual reader who is not following the trial. People make all kinds of assumptions when they hear someone was "resisting arrest" but what Floyd was doing was more akin to a panic attack than threatening the police.

by Anonymousreply 8704/02/2021

If American blacks lived in the UK and Europe the cops would be shooting them, believe me. Don't act like you're all so enlightened.

by Anonymousreply 8804/02/2021

[quote] And he'd be alive if he had just complied

And the obvious mindset of Chauvin was that he wasn't going to let this lowlife POS druggie move another motherfucking inch any which way, and then in essence proceed to snuff the life out of Floyd. He knew what he was doing and he did not care. It was an act so egregious, that nothing less than the charge of murder would be appropriate. He should be found guilty.

The arguments constantly being posited here is that Floyd was a recidivist, an addict, and a lost cause and he ultimately caused his own death. He did not deserve to die for his actions.

Over the last couple of decades American LEOs have adopted a military mindset and a warrior mentality where people not of their ilk is the enemy.

by Anonymousreply 8904/02/2021

Ultimately, the question is: would George Floyd have died of all other things were the same in that encounter EXCEPT for the knee in the neck. The defense is saying that GF swallowed fentanyl and amphetamines immediately proceeding the police interaction, and then it was only a matter of time before the stress of the police detention, his poor heart, and the drugs combined to cause cardio pulmonary arrest.

That's hard to believe. It makes MUCH more sense that Chauvin killed him by compressing his neck for nine minutes. Unlike many here, I will listen to the defense and see if I buy it or not, but I doubt I will. BTW the fact that Floyd was a prior drug user HELPS the prosecution, so that's really not the point you racists think it is. Either the drugs killed him or Chauvin did, and his prior use means the drugs very likely did not kill him, so who does that leave?

by Anonymousreply 9004/02/2021

(R69-70) The truth at times does hurt.

by Anonymousreply 9104/02/2021

Yes I'm sure it hurts for R67 to hear he has shit for brains, but it's the truth.

by Anonymousreply 9204/02/2021

If he ingested fentanyl right before the altercation this could be what truly killed him, the drug in known to stop your heart.

Now this is not to excuse the cops behavior in any way but I am thinking would the result have been the same with a sober individual, was the pressure enough to kill.

I think that is where the prosecution needs to focus.

by Anonymousreply 9304/02/2021

[quote]Now this is not to excuse the cops behavior in any way but I am thinking would the result have been the same with a sober individual, was the pressure enough to kill.

Would the result have been the same with a 90-year-old woman, would the pressure be enough to kill?

You don't get to play what if...the facts are what they are.

by Anonymousreply 9404/02/2021

R93 Your attempt at justifying a murder are noted.

by Anonymousreply 9504/02/2021

R93 is a notorious Klan Granny.

by Anonymousreply 9604/02/2021

[quote] It makes me sad that a big chunk of the gay community maintains deplorable views--as an oppressed community, I expect more empathy toward other minorities. I'm glad to hear your voices though

If other "oppressed communities" had out backs like we have theirs, I might be able to get on board with this statement. It's the not case. So fuck them,

by Anonymousreply 9704/02/2021

[quote]If other "oppressed communities" had out backs like we have theirs

R97 doesn't know any gay black, latin or asian people.

by Anonymousreply 9804/02/2021

Will they put Chauvin on the stand as well?

by Anonymousreply 9904/02/2021

Probably not

by Anonymousreply 10004/03/2021

Nah, if you were a defense attorney, you WOULD NOT want a sociopathic client testifying. He'd be DESTROYED on the stand.

by Anonymousreply 10104/03/2021

The ginger paramedic can cross-examine my hole anytime!

by Anonymousreply 10204/03/2021

The prosecution can't demand to question Chauvin?

by Anonymousreply 10304/03/2021

DL never fails to disappoint (r102 I mean you)!

by Anonymousreply 10404/03/2021

I take it you're not American, R103. No, they can't. Criminal defendants have the right to stay silent pet the 5th Amendment to our Constitution.

by Anonymousreply 10504/03/2021

I've adored Lt. Zimmerman for over a decade. He was one of the Minneapolis murder detectives on A&E series The First 48. He always came across as such a kind, decent person. When I walked into my living room yesterday and saw him on my TV, I immediately sat down and watched his testimony. Was hoping he would be on the right side of all this, and was glad to see he is.

But he pronounces his name as Zimmer·MAN. Everyone from the attorneys to the TV talking heads kept calling him ZIMMERman. It rankled a bit (I'm OCD, lol).

by Anonymousreply 10604/03/2021

I wonder just how long Chauvin was prepared to continue kneeling on Floyd's neck if the paramedics had been even more delayed in arriving than they were.

by Anonymousreply 10704/03/2021

Someone finally rehabilitated the Zimmerman name.

by Anonymousreply 10804/03/2021

Ethel Merman's real name was Ethel Zimmerman.

by Anonymousreply 10904/03/2021

R109 might be the Dataloungiest post ever.

by Anonymousreply 11004/03/2021

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by Anonymousreply 11104/03/2021

R109 only on the DL...

by Anonymousreply 11204/03/2021

I hope r111 is Miss Cleo

by Anonymousreply 11304/03/2021

Bob Dylan's real last name is also Zimmerman. And, he's from Minnesota.

by Anonymousreply 11404/03/2021

Bob Dylan is one of the Jewish Zimmermans. Ethel Merman, while constantly mistaken for Jewish, was in fact one of the German (Christian) Zimmermans and had no Jewish ancestry.

by Anonymousreply 11504/03/2021

What's on the agenda for tomorrow?

by Anonymousreply 11604/04/2021

When Minneapolis burns to the ground when the inevitable acquittal (or hung jury) happens, Minnesota will be 5 degrees warmer.

by Anonymousreply 11704/04/2021

R117 Like our Capitol when republicans don’t get their way with the next election?

by Anonymousreply 11804/04/2021

(117) I sure the Floyd family will find someplace to spend that twenty seven million...forgot their lawyer will receive a nice slice of that monetary pie.

by Anonymousreply 11904/04/2021

What a lovely way for racists to spend Easter Sunday.

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by Anonymousreply 12004/04/2021

[quote] No, they can't. Criminal defendants have the right to stay silent pet the 5th Amendment to our Constitution.

And I’ll add that the jury (in theory anyway) is instructed to make no inferences whatever about a defendant not testifying.

by Anonymousreply 12104/04/2021

R65, the taller one with short hair.

We was gorgeous. The other guy came off as very snotty and arrogant. Certainly not approachable.

by Anonymousreply 12204/04/2021

I want the ginger paramedic in me quite deeply.

by Anonymousreply 123Last Monday at 2:34 AM

Do we now have a ginger paramedic troll??

by Anonymousreply 124Last Monday at 2:35 AM

Whoa! Hot doc alert!

by Anonymousreply 125Last Monday at 6:54 AM

Lol r125. You took the words out of my mouth

by Anonymousreply 126Last Monday at 6:57 AM

The prosecutor showed us his purse.

by Anonymousreply 127Last Monday at 7:16 AM

R127 Hahahah that was my first thought! The prosecutor may be a DLer!

R126 I love his boyish hairstyle.

by Anonymousreply 128Last Monday at 7:25 AM

This doc should speak in layman's terms for the jury.

by Anonymousreply 129Last Monday at 7:33 AM

So far we have the hot paramedics and the hot doc, AND the prosecutor is a DLer!!

by Anonymousreply 130Last Monday at 8:05 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the hot doc's testimony seems damning for the defense, no?

by Anonymousreply 131Last Monday at 8:09 AM

Here's the lawyer in his younger years.

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by Anonymousreply 132Last Monday at 8:12 AM

R130, how do we know he's a DL'er?

by Anonymousreply 133Last Monday at 8:32 AM

R132, clearly is is before his soul vacated his body.

by Anonymousreply 134Last Monday at 8:35 AM

He brought up Judy Garland, R133.

by Anonymousreply 135Last Monday at 8:37 AM

Is our police chief gay? He's pinging.

by Anonymousreply 136Last Monday at 8:41 AM

There's a huge toxic spill in Tampa but I guess that's not as newsworthy.

by Anonymousreply 137Last Monday at 8:42 AM

Did the prosecutor not comb his hair this morning?

by Anonymousreply 138Last Monday at 8:44 AM

There's already a thread for that, R137.

Do keep up.

by Anonymousreply 139Last Monday at 8:49 AM

The chief's testimony so far is boring. Get to the point already!!

by Anonymousreply 140Last Monday at 8:52 AM

Checking in from minneapolis. Y'all are cracking me up. Yeah the chief testimony sure is slow. Prosecutor has bed head.

by Anonymousreply 141Last Monday at 9:04 AM

There's so many hot men in Minneapolis, R141. These lawyers are all so schlubby!! What's going on?!

by Anonymousreply 142Last Monday at 9:12 AM

R137 trolls around Derek Chauvin threads complaining about other newsworthy stories.

by Anonymousreply 143Last Monday at 9:13 AM

The chief is def a DLer.

by Anonymousreply 144Last Monday at 9:14 AM

None of them have that hard-core Minnesota accent.

by Anonymousreply 145Last Monday at 9:29 AM

R145, in my experience, the only people that exhibit that Fargo accent are women 50+.

by Anonymousreply 146Last Monday at 9:32 AM

It will get more interesting when the chief talks about the crime scene.

by Anonymousreply 147Last Monday at 9:58 AM

I wonder why that is, R146? Poor education, lower class upbringing?

by Anonymousreply 148Last Monday at 9:59 AM

The prosecution is trying to have the only official autopsy removed from the record?

That’s a winning strategy 🙄

by Anonymousreply 149Last Monday at 10:03 AM

R148, My company headquarters was located in Bloomington so I had a lot of exposure to people in the area. My guess is it has to do with where younger vs. older people live. Older in the rural areas further away, younger closer to the twin cities.

by Anonymousreply 150Last Monday at 10:05 AM

In other news, a massive earthquake has destroyed all of California. Now, back to the Chauvin trial....

by Anonymousreply 151Last Monday at 11:15 AM

Here we go again with the defense atty trying to somehow discredit the witness. He has nothing.

by Anonymousreply 152Last Monday at 11:25 AM

Defense Attorney "It's been a long week". It's only Monday, asshole.

by Anonymousreply 153Last Monday at 11:48 AM

Lol r153 I missed that

by Anonymousreply 154Last Monday at 12:24 PM

Ugh I hate this defense atty

by Anonymousreply 155Last Monday at 12:31 PM

I really love the police chief's confidence. He never seems to be rattled by the defense's questions and seems to thoroughly understand each question before answering.

by Anonymousreply 156Last Monday at 12:35 PM

Cop Chauvin tortured George Floyd to death. Guilty. Case closed. Have fun in prison where you'll get yours. That's the way it should go.

by Anonymousreply 157Last Monday at 12:53 PM

Chauvin is writing 10,000 times: “I will not put my knee on someone’s neck for 8 minutes”

by Anonymousreply 158Last Monday at 1:07 PM

[quote] There's a huge toxic spill in Tampa but I guess that's not as newsworthy.

It wasn't newsworthy enough to you to even know where it's happening. It's not happening in Tampa. It's happening in Bradenton. And you would know that, if you weren't so fucking lazy and actually read an article about it

Is reading one article too much for you? It certainly is

Shoo. Bad dog

by Anonymousreply 159Last Monday at 1:26 PM

The chief should play poker, there is no rattling that man. I found his testimony to be very problematic for the defense, he made it clear that this was excessive use of force.

by Anonymousreply 160Last Monday at 2:43 PM

Where did all the racists go? The Chief’s testimony was damning for murdering Chauvin.

by Anonymousreply 161Last Monday at 3:05 PM

Chauvin's scribbled notes revealed:

"all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy..."

by Anonymousreply 162Last Monday at 3:15 PM

I wish we could hear from Derek. He's the missing piece of the puzzle. What was he thinking? Was he thinking at all? Is he a dummy? Did they have prior animosity from when they worked together?

Until we hear his side of the story people will continue to demonize him- and canonize Floyd.

by Anonymousreply 163Last Monday at 3:53 PM

The other trial had much more style

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by Anonymousreply 164Last Monday at 4:05 PM

r159 Brandenton is right outside of Tampa. Everybody just calls the Tampa area "Tampa." Having this trial on all day is taking away from important stories. A toxic wastewater spill that is going into the Gulf is pretty damn newsworthy. There is no need to have this trial on all fucking day at the expense of other news. I have no idea why anyone can justify this.

by Anonymousreply 165Last Monday at 4:06 PM

r159 needs to be held down and choked for exactly nine minutes.

by Anonymousreply 166Last Monday at 4:06 PM

R163 They quite obviously had some sort of run in at the club and maybe Floyd had tried to intimidate him at the time. Something happened to anger Chauvin, because he murdered Floyd, while enjoying all nine minutes of it, in full view of many cameras. He knew he was being filmed and practically showed off for the crowd. This is a murder, plain and simple. Once Chauvin saw opportunity, it was very much premeditated and carried out.

by Anonymousreply 167Last Monday at 4:07 PM

R163 yes, it's just so terrible when we demonize white people for their terrible terrible actions instead of sticking to demonizing black people just for existing.

by Anonymousreply 168Last Monday at 4:35 PM

R165, if you feel that way, for the life of me, I can’t figure out why you’re on this thread. Also, whining about this does no good. Go take a long nap.

by Anonymousreply 169Last Monday at 4:40 PM

R165 because this trial verdict can potentially result in race riots across THE ENTIRE COUNTRY!!

by Anonymousreply 170Last Monday at 4:53 PM

Has there been any testimony about why Chauvin did this? I don't think he did it because he wanted to murder a black man. I think he wanted to murder Floyd, specifically. For some bad blood real or perceived by Chauvin.

by Anonymousreply 171Last Monday at 5:30 PM

Chauvin got emotional. He let his emotions get in the way.

I’ve have a gay friendly police officer friend. The things he told me police wanted to do to the LGBTQ community would make you hurl. They would love to do terrible things to us. Hope you never meet a Chauvin.

by Anonymousreply 172Last Monday at 7:07 PM

[quote]Chauvin got emotional. He let his emotions get in the way.

I'd say he let his fragile ego get in the way

by Anonymousreply 173Last Tuesday at 1:11 AM

[quote]If American blacks lived in the UK and Europe the cops would be shooting them, believe me. Don't act like you're all so enlightened.

No they wouldn't, you racist pig!

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by Anonymousreply 174Last Tuesday at 2:24 AM

Wow, I didn't know there were so many hot men in Minneapolis. No wonder Mary Richards and Rhoda Morgenstern moved there.

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by Anonymousreply 175Last Tuesday at 3:15 AM

This testimony is really interesting

by Anonymousreply 176Last Tuesday at 6:45 AM

The defense is definitely grasping at straws.

by Anonymousreply 177Last Tuesday at 7:25 AM

I came to see what we think of bear Johnny Mercil.

by Anonymousreply 178Last Tuesday at 7:33 AM

No one watching today?

by Anonymousreply 179Last Tuesday at 9:02 AM

R178 - He is quite the specimen! He is the MPD force trainer and he can turn me any way but loose - for hours!

by Anonymousreply 180Last Tuesday at 9:05 AM

R178, I'm getting DL'er on my radar. Yes sir!

by Anonymousreply 181Last Tuesday at 9:07 AM

I hate this attorney. He's blaming the on-lookers for using excessive force.

by Anonymousreply 182Last Tuesday at 9:20 AM

It seems like a losing strategy r182

by Anonymousreply 183Last Tuesday at 9:30 AM

I found this lengthy rap sheet for Derek Chauvin...quite the history of abuse on him. Wish I could dig deeper into some of these charges.

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by Anonymousreply 184Last Tuesday at 9:31 AM

"I totally would have gotten off his neck if everyone wasn't yelling at me to get off his neck. I had no choice but to stay on his neck to own the libs!"

by Anonymousreply 185Last Tuesday at 9:34 AM

I should've posted this link instead.

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by Anonymousreply 186Last Tuesday at 9:34 AM

R184 That's quite a few reprimands and the oral ones probably should have been written.

by Anonymousreply 187Last Tuesday at 9:43 AM

It's the law in MN, but I think you might have to request these records the 'ol fashioned way by submitting written requests.

by Anonymousreply 188Last Tuesday at 9:48 AM

[quote] I feel we have to confront them because we have a moral responsibly to not let them influence our young here on DL.

Indeed. The late 40s and early 50s are when 'young people' are most impressionable and easily influenced.

by Anonymousreply 189Last Tuesday at 9:56 AM

The doctor is from my hometown. I'll have to keep an eye out for him when I visit.

by Anonymousreply 190Last Tuesday at 10:34 AM

Does the prosecution tell their witnesses to say “correct” instead of “yes?” It sounds terrible. “Correct” should be used to confirm that a statement is accurate, not as a substitute for “yes.”

R187 I’d like to see what those complaints were, too.

by Anonymousreply 191Last Tuesday at 10:44 AM

Here's that "Fargo" accent y'all have been waiting for in the form of Officer Nicole Mackenzie.

by Anonymousreply 192Last Tuesday at 10:50 AM

A juror fell asleep. They lawyers have basically asked the same questions of the three witnesses (so far) today and it's getting too repetitive. Too bad there weren't more bystanders, they were interesting.

by Anonymousreply 193Last Tuesday at 11:08 AM

R193 Or at least more hot witnesses.

by Anonymousreply 194Last Tuesday at 11:14 AM

Medical chick testifying right now is very competent. Chauvin's lawyer still a smarmy asshole trying to blame others.

by Anonymousreply 195Last Tuesday at 11:26 AM

I'm sick of him r195

by Anonymousreply 196Last Tuesday at 11:27 AM

Remember all the excellent George Floyd threads at the time, and how they were all deleted.?

by Anonymousreply 197Last Tuesday at 11:28 AM

The defense lawyer bear is a loser chasing his own ass.

That's all.

by Anonymousreply 198Last Tuesday at 11:49 AM

I missed the medical chick but the witness on now has purses falling out of his mouth!

by Anonymousreply 199Last Tuesday at 11:51 AM

[quote]No one watching today?

Everybody's kind of over it.

by Anonymousreply 200Last Tuesday at 12:37 PM

I’m actually interested in what the defense is going to pull out of their ass.

by Anonymousreply 201Last Tuesday at 1:21 PM

[quote] The doctor is from my hometown.

He’s young! He just got licensed last year almost immediately before this incident. I was pretty surprised. And he was just pretty.

by Anonymousreply 202Last Tuesday at 1:40 PM

I wonder when the defense witnesses start to testify?

by Anonymousreply 203Last Tuesday at 4:39 PM

If George Floyd were gay nobody would give a flying fuck about the outcome of his killer except a small niche of gay black people. I just can’t bring myself to give a goddamn right now.

by Anonymousreply 204Last Tuesday at 4:48 PM

R201

Compare the rather tepid number of replies so far.

When defense starts poking holes in the witnesses for the prosecution it will be be far different.

by Anonymousreply 205Last Tuesday at 11:14 PM

R204 I wouldn’t say that. This got to people because the video evidence was horrific and it was posted almost immediately after it happened.

This event also occurred the same weekend of the birdwatcher incident - people were up in arms about this case too. However, interest frittered away because the birdwatcher (who is a gay black man) decided to give Karen a chance. Let’s be real, replace Christian Cooper with George Floyd and the Chauvin case is open and shut; It would be quite difficult to put his lifestyle and background on trial.

by Anonymousreply 206Last Wednesday at 12:01 AM

These are all still witnesses for the prosecution, right? And we still haven't heard from any experts or scientists? The members of the jury must be bored out of their minds already. It doesn't help that every witness questioning starts with endless questions about their education and training. When they finally start with the good stuff, I already lost all interest. Maybe the strategy to start with the eyewitnesses wasn't a good idea. Members of the jury probably can't remember much of their testimony and all the raw emotion after weeks of dull expert witnesses, doctors and police officers.

by Anonymousreply 207Last Wednesday at 12:15 AM

R204 is a blocked troll

by Anonymousreply 208Last Wednesday at 2:57 AM

Thank you, r208. I’ve blocked him too, and I only block excrement.

by Anonymousreply 209Last Wednesday at 4:54 AM

R205, do you mean the opposite? From what I’ve seen so far, the defense has had little success in poking any holes in the prosecution case.

by Anonymousreply 210Last Wednesday at 4:55 AM

The bearded Johnny Mercil is so sexy! Can't believe there are so few comments about him here.

He looks like some movie or TV star but I can't quite place who I mean.....

by Anonymousreply 211Last Wednesday at 5:22 AM

we're back, folks

by Anonymousreply 212Last Wednesday at 7:00 AM

Is this an expert witness?

by Anonymousreply 213Last Wednesday at 7:05 AM

Why is the prosecution's expert a random LA police officer?

by Anonymousreply 214Last Wednesday at 7:11 AM

The defense attorney has a very punchable face

by Anonymousreply 215Last Wednesday at 7:20 AM

R211 I was surprised, too.

by Anonymousreply 216Last Wednesday at 7:21 AM

Use of Force expert. Maybe he's top in the field.

by Anonymousreply 217Last Wednesday at 7:28 AM

Defense reminds me of a log cabin republican I knew. He used to troll bathhouses when he wasn't peddling T***p nonsense

by Anonymousreply 218Last Wednesday at 7:35 AM

^We all saw the video, but you still need an use of force expert to state the obvious.

by Anonymousreply 219Last Wednesday at 7:37 AM

One thing to remember is that while you may not like the defense attorney in his role in this case, defending a white cop is probably a rarity for him in terms of his usual cases.

by Anonymousreply 220Last Wednesday at 7:39 AM

R220 "Likeability" is not the issue. He is incompetent. I wouldn't trust him to take care of a parking ticket.

by Anonymousreply 221Last Wednesday at 7:42 AM

I know, r220. My dislike of him is largely conformation bias

by Anonymousreply 222Last Wednesday at 7:44 AM

Well, I guess we have to see his witnesses and then his summation.

I’m also the person who has a brother who is a defensive attorney who is the biggest asshole ever, so I get it lol.

by Anonymousreply 223Last Wednesday at 7:47 AM

Remember also, the defense attorney is stuck with the case and client he has, not necessarily what he wants. The only hope Chauvin has is that enough jurors are racist and/or deferential enough to law enforcement that they will just completely ignore those 4+ minutes after Floyd lost consciousness.

by Anonymousreply 224Last Wednesday at 8:03 AM

The defense only needs to convince one juror of the slightest bit of reasonable doubt. I still say he will be found not guilty of all charges

by Anonymousreply 225Last Wednesday at 8:09 AM

The defense here is a thankless task but some poor boob has to do it. Like Trump's bozos at the recent impeachment. Trump had a rigged jury going for him.

by Anonymousreply 226Last Wednesday at 8:10 AM

R226 A "rigged jury"? Get some help and get Trump out of this thread. Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 227Last Wednesday at 8:14 AM

R235 I disagree, no way will he be found not guilty, but we will see!

by Anonymousreply 228Last Wednesday at 8:18 AM

R225 I think MN requires unanimous vote for a verdict, so one holdout is only going to result in a hung jury. That might be the defense's best bet though--hung jury and then hope for a better plea offer to avoid another trial. Sadly it's a pretty good bet to rely on at least one juror being racist enough.

by Anonymousreply 229Last Wednesday at 8:28 AM

It's gonna be a hung jury.

All the defense needs is one Tucker Carlson fan!

by Anonymousreply 230Last Wednesday at 8:40 AM

[quote] I’m also the person who has a brother who is a defensive attorney who is the biggest asshole ever,

Well if you kept calling me an asshole, I’d be defensive too.

by Anonymousreply 231Last Wednesday at 9:24 AM

[quote] I think MN requires unanimous vote for a verdict,

Do you live in the United States?

by Anonymousreply 232Last Wednesday at 9:25 AM

^ Yes, typing fast on a phone. Just "oh dear" me and move on.

by Anonymousreply 233Last Wednesday at 9:38 AM

Typing fast on a phone made you “think” you need a unanimous verdict? But you weren’t sure?

by Anonymousreply 234Last Wednesday at 9:50 AM

You need a unanimous jury to convict. Most states also require unanimity to acquit, but there are one or two holdout states that still allow split juries to acquit. If you live in the US, you should know that.

So I said "I think" because I didn't double check to be absolutely sure MN wasn't one of those outliers. Odd though that you're fixating on me for correcting R225 mistaken belief that the defense only has to "convince one juror" to get a not guilty verdict.

by Anonymousreply 235Last Wednesday at 10:24 AM

I’m fixated on it because anyone who resides in the United States would know you need a unanimous jury to convict OR acquit. In a criminal (not a civil) case, a unanimous jury is required. It’s in the Constitution and has been reaffirmed by the Supreme Court as recently as last year in Ramos v. Louisiana.

It’s been a staple of our system since the beginning. If a jury is not unanimous neither a conviction nor acquittal occurs, the jury is “hung” and a mistrial is declared. The State can then decide whether they want to retry the case before a different jury.

Again, I’m not harping on you personally, I just found it odd that you didn’t know that.

by Anonymousreply 236Last Wednesday at 10:34 AM

This current witness looks very angry and annoyed. I wouldn't want to piss him off. His voice doesn't match his demeanor.

by Anonymousreply 237Last Wednesday at 10:43 AM

R236, You can take your obnoxious pedantry and shove it. OR does not require unanimous juries to acquit. As I said, that's an outlier compared to most of the country. And I also already explained that this trial will end up with a hung jury if there's no unanimity. You're fixated on me saying "I think," which I did because I didn't have the time to double check that MN wasn't also an outlier first. Meanwhile you're unbothered by the total wrongness of posters such as R225.

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by Anonymousreply 238Last Wednesday at 10:44 AM

R225 is correct, though. That’s all they need is to convince one juror of reasonable doubt and they’ll get at a minimum a hung jury.

You just don’t want to admit your error and are trying to deflect. Admit you made a mistake, but doubling down and saying there are states that don’t require unanimous verdicts just makes it worse. All of the states are under the same Constitution.

There is no state in the United States that does not require a unanimous jury verdict for conviction or acquittal.

by Anonymousreply 239Last Wednesday at 10:52 AM

R225 didn't say convincing one juror would result in a hung jury, he said not guilty. I made the correction that no, a lone juror would lead to a hung jury, not a not-guilty verdict. And since you don't read very thoroughly, I take it you didn't look at the link at R238. Why you insist on trying to be a pedantic jackass when you're just wrong is a mystery.

by Anonymousreply 240Last Wednesday at 10:57 AM

I'd like to knee you bickering bitches to death right now.

by Anonymousreply 241Last Wednesday at 10:58 AM

^^^Which is why most judges will ask a jury to keep deliberating if they say they are split. Usually they talk it out and come to agreement. I feel this jury has already made up their minds and are now just waiting for it to end so they can deliver a guilty verdict. Hence, the falling asleep.

by Anonymousreply 242Last Wednesday at 10:59 AM

R241 You should apply to be a Minneapolis police officer!

by Anonymousreply 243Last Wednesday at 11:00 AM

Way too much redundancy in the prosecution's approach. Jury starts tuning-out. The cable networks covering the trial could do periodic summaries. Covering every second of this is unnecessary.

by Anonymousreply 244Last Wednesday at 11:11 AM

Hahaha R231 I think he takes it as a compliment.

by Anonymousreply 245Last Wednesday at 11:22 AM

Linky stinky at r238.

by Anonymousreply 246Last Wednesday at 11:24 AM

If there's nothing else worthwhile on the tv to watch, just turn the set off.

by Anonymousreply 247Last Wednesday at 11:41 AM

Girls, girls!

by Anonymousreply 248Last Wednesday at 11:48 AM

Morticia Adams is testifying.

by Anonymousreply 249Last Wednesday at 11:54 AM

Is it the lighting? She looks like she has a mustache.

by Anonymousreply 250Last Wednesday at 12:01 PM

Sorry R246, I can't figure out why it's not working. Here's another with the same content:

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by Anonymousreply 251Last Wednesday at 12:30 PM

[quote]Is it the lighting? She looks like she has a mustache.

I love this hellsite so much.

by Anonymousreply 252Last Wednesday at 12:31 PM

[quote] It doesn't help that every witness questioning starts with endless questions about their education and training.

That’s why courtroom dramas on TV are so different. Unfortunately, the prosecution must lay a foundation for why the person is testifying, both for legal purposes and to avoid the jury saying “why are we listening to this guy? What does he know about this? Who is he to offer an opinion?”

by Anonymousreply 253Last Wednesday at 1:34 PM

The female prosecutor looks like the love child of Aimee Mann and best selling “White Fragility” author, Robin Di Angelo.

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by Anonymousreply 254Last Wednesday at 1:39 PM

[quote]We all saw the video

R219 = Dr. Rick

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by Anonymousreply 255Last Wednesday at 1:48 PM

[quote] I still say he will be found not guilty of all charges

US cities will turn into the fucking Thunderdome if this happens.

by Anonymousreply 256Last Wednesday at 3:02 PM

WHY is this trial on tv all fucking day? It can be part of regular news briefings. JFC.

by Anonymousreply 257Last Wednesday at 3:06 PM

It sounds to me as though he's saying "I ain't doin' any drugs", not "I ate too many drugs"

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by Anonymousreply 258Last Wednesday at 3:26 PM

All media is happy to over cover this trial and will be financial winners if Chauvin gets off and mayhem results. Cynical and grim as that reality is.

by Anonymousreply 259Last Wednesday at 3:30 PM

R256 Is that all you can say? Yes WE HEARD it will be MAYHEM, APOCALYPTIC, OMGGGGGG!

Now STUF division troll

by Anonymousreply 260Last Wednesday at 3:46 PM

Nobody elected your ass judge and jury r260

by Anonymousreply 261Last Wednesday at 3:48 PM

"I heard pancake, not murder."

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by Anonymousreply 262Last Wednesday at 6:21 PM

He'll be found guilty, of a lesser charge and he won't get a long sentence

And he also fraudulently voted. He and his ex-stripper wife both committed voter fraud as well as tax fraud

Very good people indeed

by Anonymousreply 263Last Wednesday at 6:58 PM

You won't like it but Ann Coulter gave the best recap of the trial so far.

Week One was chock-a-block with weeping bystanders wailing about how they felt watching Chauvin restrain Floyd. This would be tremendous evidence if the charge against Officer Chauvin were “first-degree upsetting bystanders.” But that’s not the charge. That’s not even a crime.

One especially distraught witness, Charles McMillian, an elderly black man, testified to seeing “foam” coming out of Floyd’s mouth.

QUIZ: Is foam coming out of the mouth a sign of:

a) a head wound?

b) strangulation?

c) a drug overdose?

ANSWER: c) a drug overdose.

Apart from that crucial fact, McMillian’s evidence only pertained to “first-degree upsetting bystanders.” Which, again, is not a crime.

My favorite witness — and the media’s favorite, too! — was Genevieve Hansen, Feminist Hero. She appeared in court in her firefighter dress uniform and a belligerent mood — though not as belligerent as the day Floyd died, when she showed up in sweats and began shrieking at the officers.

The headlines are along the lines of “Firefighter: I Could Have Saved Floyd’s Life, But Police Wouldn’t Let Me.”

Genevieve was totally on top of the situation. In her statement to investigators shortly after the event, she described Floyd as a “small, slim man.” Floyd was at least 6-foot-4 and weighed 230 pounds. The largest police officer on the scene was Chauvin, coming in at 5-foot-9 and 140 pounds. Genevieve missed nothing!

Even in the calm setting of a courtroom, with no agitated bystanders yelling at her, here are the things Genevieve says she would have done to save Floyd’s life!

In order:

“I would have requested additional help.” “I would have wanted someone to call 911.” “I would have asked someone to run to the gas station and look for an AED [a defibrillator].”

Why didn’t the officers think to call for medical backup??? Oh yeah, they already had. Twice. Starting about 10 minutes before Genevieve even showed up.

“I would have checked his airway.” “I would have been worried about a spinal cord injury.”

As we know from the autopsy, there was no problem with Floyd’s airway or spinal cord. (But, as long as you bring it up, his body did contain three times the lethal dose of fentanyl.)

“I would have checked for a pulse.”

Eureka! Why didn’t — oh wait, the officers had done this, repeatedly, as several bystander witnesses had already confirmed.

By now, Floyd was dead. That’s when she would have started chest compressions.

So Genevieve, the state’s star witness on what the cops did wrong, testified that she would have done pretty much everything the officers did. But she would have been a lot bossier about it.

On Tuesday, Lt. Johnny Mercil, the MDP’s use-of-force trainer, and Officer Nicole Mackenzie, the MPD’s medical support coordinator, testified that it would be appropriate not to provide care to a suspect who had just been fighting with officers, or in the presence of a hostile crowd.

Chauvin had both those circumstances.

Trying to do damage control, the prosecutor asked Officer Mackenzie to define a “hostile” crowd. She said, “a growing contingent of people around, if they’re yelling, being even verbally abusive to those trying to provide scene security.”

Hey — remember those weeping bystanders last week? Their own testimony confirmed that they were “yelling and even being verbally abusive to those trying to provide scene security.”

Donald Williams, for example, the bouncer and MMA hobbyist, admitted to continuously berating the officers — all of which is on tape — calling Chauvin a “fucking bum,” “bitch” and “a fucking pussy ass bitch.” In one of the tapes, Williams threatens Officer Tou Thao, saying, “I swear I’ll slap the fuck out of both of you!”

And of course, there was the lovely Genevieve screeching, “I have your name tag, bitch!”

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by Anonymousreply 264Last Thursday at 2:32 AM

[quote]You won't like it but Ann Coulter gave the best recap of the trial so far.

Well, you're right about one thing.

r264 can fuck right off along with Ann Coulter.

by Anonymousreply 265Last Thursday at 2:48 AM

R264 I would say you tried but.....ahahahahahaahahahahaa

Fuck off to Russia bitch. Ya boy Chauvin is going down, whore. Suck it.

by Anonymousreply 266Last Thursday at 3:22 AM

I find the whole thing fascinating. Watching Chauvin feverishly scribbling; does he share his notes with his lawyers afterwards? His eyes darting behind his mask. I think he's just a not-too-bright cop who didn't know how to place his leg ACROSS the neck and his knee on the shoulder blade. That's all.

It's all so sleazy and unfortunate.

by Anonymousreply 267Last Thursday at 3:49 AM

[Quote] In her statement to investigators shortly after the event, she described Floyd as a “small, slim man.” Floyd was at least 6-foot-4 and weighed 230 pounds.

She only arrived after Floyd was already handcuffed and on the floor with three grown ass men on top of him. She probably only saw his head since Chauvin had his knee on his neck and the other two officers covering the rest of his body. This is such a bullshit statement to discredit a witness. She was also probably still in shock right after the incident because like she said on the stand "watching someone being murdered is very upsetting".

Fuck off, r264!

by Anonymousreply 268Last Thursday at 4:17 AM

Leave it to Anne Coulter to take away everything from the situation that is the opposite of reality. She’s a contrarian, that’s her schtick, and now that she pissed off both sides of the aisle, she’s homeless. Yet vodka lover r264 wants to make her a thing here. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

by Anonymousreply 269Last Thursday at 4:43 AM

I ate too many opiates.

by Anonymousreply 270Last Thursday at 5:05 AM

Do most people follow the trial? The network and cable news put it on heavy rotation but I don't see many clicks or traffic, barely stay on google top news, the most telling is it was not on Twitter trends, even on DL it's just a few die hard posters here and after 10 days it only got a follow up part 2 thread.

by Anonymousreply 271Last Thursday at 5:10 AM

Actually, Coulter’s take was spot on...and this is from someone who used to troll her website message board years ago. Not a fan of hers.

Had the female firefighter acted professionally and had her ID, it might’ve made a difference. Standing there in her sweats yelling “bitch,” she just came off as as trashy and unhinged. I would’ve ignored her, too.

When did “professional” people start dressing and talking this way? It’s so sad. No decorum or dignity.

I know this issue is not the point of this trial, I’m just making the observation. The world is watching and that motley crew of slobs represents us.

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by Anonymousreply 272Last Thursday at 5:33 AM

I imagine r272 = r264 using a sock puppet.

by Anonymousreply 273Last Thursday at 5:38 AM

No, I am not R264. I haven’t read all of his posts, don’t know what his politics are, but I did read the Coulter article he just posted. Our culture is devolving. But, that is a subject for a different thread, I suppose.

by Anonymousreply 274Last Thursday at 5:52 AM

R272, that was one witness out of many. I happen to think she did great, because she expressed the senselessness and hopelessness of the situation.

by Anonymousreply 275Last Thursday at 6:13 AM

Maybe I missed something but why didn’t the defense cross examine Morticia?

Did they reserve it for a future recall or something?

by Anonymousreply 276Last Thursday at 6:13 AM

If I spend my time reading a long description of this trial by Ann Coulter, I need to do some serious self-reflection, and then get a life. Sorry, there is absolutely nothing useful achieved by paying attention to her on this.

by Anonymousreply 277Last Thursday at 7:17 AM

[quote]When did “professional” people start dressing and talking this way? It’s so sad. No decorum or dignity.

[quote]I know this issue is not the point of this trial, I’m just making the observation. The world is watching and that motley crew of slobs represents us.

True. Americans look and act like such slobs now.

by Anonymousreply 278Last Thursday at 7:18 AM

[quote] Sorry, there is absolutely nothing useful achieved by paying attention to her on anything.

Fixded.

by Anonymousreply 279Last Thursday at 7:20 AM

The only people worse than Ann Coulter are the people who bullhorn Ann Coulter. Of course an all out racist would give the trial evidence a thorough whitewashing.

by Anonymousreply 280Last Thursday at 7:31 AM

[quote] Had the female firefighter acted professionally and had her ID, it might’ve made a difference. Standing there in her sweats yelling “bitch,” she just came off as as trashy and unhinged. I would’ve ignored her, too.

Ann Coulter went shit-nuts in a Twitter tirade on a flight because she had to move her seat. She has no business judging the reaction of someone witnessing a murder, and neither does your racist ass.

by Anonymousreply 281Last Thursday at 7:35 AM

R268 and she explained herself right there on the witness stand, but of course fact-free Ann didn’t mention that.

by Anonymousreply 282Last Thursday at 7:37 AM

Wow, devastating testimony today from a pulmonologist. He basically described 9 mins of Chauvin slowly torturing Floyd to death.

by Anonymousreply 283Last Thursday at 8:06 AM

Definitely OT but working from home has contributed to the “slobbiness” of America. I used to be presentable for work (although we had a casual dress code), but not now.

by Anonymousreply 284Last Thursday at 9:18 AM

R281 That’s right, call anyone with a differing opinion “racist.” Anything to avoid a real discussion with actual arguments.

by Anonymousreply 285Last Thursday at 10:02 AM

R283 He was especially impressive by having the jury use their fingers on the front of their throats and the back of their necks to simulate the effect on George Floyd.

by Anonymousreply 286Last Thursday at 10:16 AM

R285 If you are defending Ann Coulter as representative of one wanting "real discussions" with "actual arguments", you've burned your intellectual bridge.

by Anonymousreply 287Last Thursday at 10:28 AM

R285 misrepresenting facts through a racist lens is not an argument. And if you platform a racist, you're presumed to be one too.

by Anonymousreply 288Last Thursday at 10:37 AM

"He basically described 9 mins of Chauvin slowly torturing Floyd to death."

Well, he suffocated. But not sure that Chauvin did that. He was a heavy drug user, mid-40s with a bad heart, in a panicked state and foaming at the mouth.

Everyone is "white racist killer cop murdered black man in cold blood". But if that's not true, then it was just a dumb accident.

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by Anonymousreply 289Last Thursday at 11:03 AM

R289 Bless you, forgive you... but your description is unsupportable by science, and is contradicted by the eyes and common sense. You might want reflect on how what you WANT to see and believe doesn't match facts. It's very far from "well I have the right to believe what I want."

by Anonymousreply 290Last Thursday at 11:06 AM

[quote] But not sure that Chauvin did that. He was a heavy drug user, mid-40s with a bad heart, in a panicked state and foaming at the mouth.

So I take it you didn’t pay attention at all to the pulmonologist’s testimony?

by Anonymousreply 291Last Thursday at 11:34 AM

"Foaming at the mouth." OMG, George Floyd had rabies! He was a mad dog that HAD to be put down!

by Anonymousreply 292Last Thursday at 11:49 AM

R289 says he suffocated, but it wasn’t Chauvin’s knee on his throat that did it? Ayayay.

by Anonymousreply 293Last Thursday at 11:57 AM

[quote]Well, he suffocated. But not sure that Chauvin did that.

He testified that "a healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to, would have died.”

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by Anonymousreply 294Last Thursday at 12:28 PM

What are CNN & MSNBC ratings on this? There must not be any other news in the country and the world now for many days.

by Anonymousreply 295Last Thursday at 12:34 PM

[quote] says he suffocated, but it wasn’t Chauvin’s knee on his throat that did it? Ayayay.

The prosecutor has moved the goalposts. Now it's the 𝒏𝒆𝒄𝒌 𝒂𝒓𝒆𝒂 the prosecutor and witnesses have been talking about. Looking it up that covers a lot of anatomy unrelated to breathing.

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by Anonymousreply 296Last Thursday at 12:37 PM

^ Just going to keep lying like your racist hero Ann.

by Anonymousreply 297Last Thursday at 12:44 PM

Oh lord, the hair.

by Anonymousreply 298Last Thursday at 1:01 PM

That expert testimony was pretty devastating for the defence

by Anonymousreply 299Last Thursday at 1:11 PM

r298 I am a bit behind and not watching in real time ... now I see what you mean

by Anonymousreply 300Last Thursday at 1:17 PM

Chauvin and his defense attorney are cruising on the Titanic.

by Anonymousreply 301Last Thursday at 1:31 PM

[quote]What are CNN & MSNBC ratings on this? There must not be any other news in the country and the world now for many days.

The reality is that this is a local story about police misconduct and isn't worthy of constant coverage. The media wants to whip up an emotional frenzy. There is nothing the media loves more than civil unrest. Guaranteed ratings. And reporters telling their stories of how they nearly escaped death while covering a riot so they can up their profiles.

by Anonymousreply 302Last Thursday at 1:38 PM

R302 has been living in a hole the last few years. I wonder if he even knows there’s a pandemic out there.

by Anonymousreply 303Last Thursday at 1:41 PM

Mister Derek, you in big trouble, boy ..........

by Anonymousreply 304Last Thursday at 1:54 PM

Why do guys comb a lock of hair over their bald areas? Who do they think they’re fooling?

by Anonymousreply 305Last Thursday at 1:58 PM

[quote]He'll be found guilty, of a lesser charge and he won't get a long sentence

As long as he's sent to prison; won't be long after that before he's shanked.

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by Anonymousreply 306Last Thursday at 2:02 PM

Nope r303. This trial is not the national obsession you think it is.

by Anonymousreply 307Last Thursday at 2:09 PM

r307 has been all over this thread for days telling us why this trial isn't really newsworthy

Do fuck off, r307

by Anonymousreply 308Last Thursday at 2:13 PM

R302 Murals with George Floyd's image went up around the world. marches in European cities, Asia. The image of him dying with a knee on his neck resonated around the world. The moment for racism to be aired, seen, addressed... seemed important to huge groups of people. More demonstrations in the streets last summer since the Trump pink hats marches. An argument can be made that the intuitive angry response to the images of Floyd's death fueled Biden's election (e.g. turnout in Georgia).

Relegating the whole thing to "a local story" is what you want, not what is. A huge problem with our current public sphere and national discourse... "what I believe is fact..... never I believe something because of facts."

by Anonymousreply 309Last Thursday at 2:14 PM

For the HBO movie -- Hal Holbrook IS the Expert Pulmonologist!

by Anonymousreply 310Last Thursday at 2:16 PM

Like I said, r307. Hole.

by Anonymousreply 311Last Thursday at 2:16 PM

Sorry r309 but this trial does not deserve wall-to-wall 24/7 coverage, neglecting other news that has a real impact on our lives and or world.

by Anonymousreply 312Last Thursday at 2:24 PM

r312 If only there was some sort of device that you can point at your television that will change the channel to something -- anything -- that's not the Chauvin trial!

Or perhaps maybe some kind of "engine" I can search on to find the news that impacts my life and the world!

by Anonymousreply 313Last Thursday at 2:30 PM

The people who are obsessed with posting on this thread are the ones complaining about the television coverage.

by Anonymousreply 314Last Thursday at 2:32 PM

We're in the third week of the biggest news story right now and this is only the second thread, half full. That says a lot.

by Anonymousreply 315Last Thursday at 2:33 PM

r313 if only you were objective about the media's reasons for broadcasting this trial all day every day. But you're a good little sheep who laps up everything on the teevee without question.

by Anonymousreply 316Last Thursday at 2:33 PM

It says doo doo r315. Wow you’re obsessed with this trial aren’t you?

by Anonymousreply 317Last Thursday at 2:35 PM

The people who are complaining about the media coverage are the people who’ve posted the most in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 318Last Thursday at 2:37 PM

r316 -- If only you weren't a pompous cunt that causes everyone to turn and go the other way when they see you.

by Anonymousreply 319Last Thursday at 2:37 PM

Sorry r319 you need to be more objective about what the media feeds you. And ask questions.

by Anonymousreply 320Last Thursday at 2:38 PM

Will all the people who think the media is blowing up this trial all out of proportion please stop blowing up this thread all out of proportion?

by Anonymousreply 321Last Thursday at 2:40 PM

“I will not stop talking about how everyone needs to stop talking about this trial!”

by Anonymousreply 322Last Thursday at 3:01 PM

“It’s just a local story!”

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by Anonymousreply 323Last Thursday at 3:02 PM

R316 Channels like MSNBC and CNN don't just air events because they want to. They are businesses--everything is because of demand and revenue potential. Just because you're a racist (and or troll), doesn't mean the rest of the world is too..

by Anonymousreply 324Last Thursday at 3:21 PM

Bless your heart r324. You have no idea how any of this really works.

And the lack of DL enthusiasm on this thread tells you a lot. Three weeks and it's only the second thread. TV shows get more threads than this.

by Anonymousreply 325Last Thursday at 4:08 PM

DL might lack enthusiasm about this topic R325, but with 25+ posts in this thread you clearly do not.

by Anonymousreply 326Last Thursday at 4:37 PM

The reason this is only the second thread is 1. Everyone except you recognizes the prosecution is doing a great job proving this case, hence no controversy and 2. R326 is right, look in the mirror if you want to complain about people making a big deal about it. You’ve posted more than everyone. You’re obsessed, I’d say.

by Anonymousreply 327Last Thursday at 4:50 PM

I watch because I can.

It's especially good with hot coffee and donuts.

by Anonymousreply 328Last Thursday at 4:51 PM

r289

[quote]then it was just a dumb accident.

It was not a dumb accident. See the infographic below taken straight from the video

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by Anonymousreply 329Last Thursday at 4:55 PM

No wonder Klan Coulter and her sycophants are trying all their desperate deflection tactics.

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by Anonymousreply 330Last Thursday at 5:12 PM

R325, please tell me how things work.

by Anonymousreply 331Last Thursday at 5:27 PM

Better get your affairs in order, Mr. Chauvin........

by Anonymousreply 332Last Friday at 7:09 AM

This Forensic Pathologist lady is too pro-George: "Yeah, there was Fentanyl in him, but...". Just the facts, ma'am.

by Anonymousreply 333Last Friday at 9:06 AM

I don’t know how to post pictures but - this lady forensic pathologist looks like musical theater legend Mary Martin. All along I have thought that Defense Atty Eric Wilson looks and sounds like Norbert Leo Butz.

by Anonymousreply 334Last Friday at 9:11 AM

R333–but... she’s stating facts. Isn’t that what you want?

by Anonymousreply 335Last Friday at 9:37 AM

The Prince Phillip thread is almost maxed out in just four hours. This is week 3 of the trial and only the second thread, half full.

by Anonymousreply 336Last Friday at 9:40 AM

R133 It's a Fox addict problem - if someone states facts contradicting what's wanted to believe, they are somehow not credible. "Facts" only are those things supporting what is wanted to believe.

by Anonymousreply 337Last Friday at 9:59 AM

Is r333 the Ann Coulter troll?

by Anonymousreply 338Last Friday at 11:01 AM

The Medical Examiner of Record© looks like a cross between a middle-aged lesbian and Lucie Arnaz.

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by Anonymousreply 339Last Friday at 11:10 AM

He DOES look like Lucie Arnaz!!!!

by Anonymousreply 340Last Friday at 11:17 AM

r339 cannot unsee

by Anonymousreply 341Last Friday at 11:26 AM

R339 - Actually he looks more like Christopher Reeve as Clark Kent albeit with different eyeglasses. Apparently his wife was giving him a 'COVID' haircut when he sneezed causing a 'runway' type of bare spot on the top in the middle of his scalp. He did an admiral job of covering it up!

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by Anonymousreply 342Last Friday at 11:58 AM

^^I think you mean R333, not R133.

by Anonymousreply 343Last Friday at 12:23 PM

^^ It was meant for R333

by Anonymousreply 344Last Friday at 12:50 PM

R334 YES! That’s who he reminds me of.

by Anonymousreply 345Last Friday at 1:52 PM

Only Chauvin knows what he did or didn't do. Is he going to testify?

by Anonymousreply 346Last Friday at 2:30 PM

R346 You mean what he might report his "intent" was. There are infinite ways of knowing what he "did" without hearing his own account.

by Anonymousreply 347Last Friday at 2:46 PM

He won’t testify. I’m sure his lawyers have drilled into him that it would be terrible for his case. And intent doesn’t matter. Not for what he’s charged with. The equivalent would be, hey I had my hands around his neck and was cutting off his oxygen, but prove I didn’t intend to kill him. I never said anything! Intent isn’t needed. He’s going away for the rest of his life.

by Anonymousreply 348Last Friday at 2:56 PM

[quote]The Medical Examiner of Record© looks like a cross between a middle-aged lesbian and Lucie Arnaz.

That's a bad angle; to me he looks like a younger version of Bruce Campbell.

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by Anonymousreply 349Last Friday at 4:39 PM

Seems like the defense is proving the prosecution's case a lot the last couple days.

by Anonymousreply 350Last Friday at 7:06 PM

And none of it would have happened if perennial loser George Floyd hadn't gotten himself into trouble yet again. Then violently resisted arrest while yelping, "I'm not that kinda guy!" (yeah, you kinda were).

Now he's dead. Lives are ruined. And for what?

by Anonymousreply 351Last Friday at 7:49 PM

R351 keeps trying.... why are you on DL? Klan meeting get canceled tonight?

by Anonymousreply 352Last Friday at 7:56 PM

Stop giving them satisfaction. I know it's old-fashioned, but if we ignore them, they completely stop.

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by Anonymousreply 353Yesterday at 8:30 AM

R353, interesting and accurate.

[quote] we understand the internet troll as someone who is callous, lacks a sense of personal responsibility and enjoys causing others harm.

That hits the nail pretty damn hard on the head and describes a number of DL posters.

[quote] Respond with outward indifference and strict no tolerance. Let’s work together to dismantle the power of the troll and take back the internet from their influence.

I'm not sure how to implement that in real life, but not ignoring trolls, while also not feeding their egos sounds like a good idea.

by Anonymousreply 354Yesterday at 8:39 AM

r354 I try to remind myself that trolls are terrible people offline too. The funny thing is, sometimes the trolls who get very personal on DL are rather effective ... it's stupid and I know I shouldn't let it get to me

by Anonymousreply 355Yesterday at 8:42 AM

I love how the ME’s name is Doc Baker.

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