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“Veneno” (2020) on HBO Max- anyone seen it?

It’s about Cristina la Veneno, the Spanish Trans Woman who became famous and is considered one of the most beautiful trans women ever.

I was thinking of watching it but usually like to see if others liked it when it comes to something I need to read subtitles throughout on lol.

I saw a clip of this a while ago and it’s lived on my brain rent free. I just finally learned that scene I saw (I didn’t know where it was from) was from this limited series.

Anyone saw it?

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by Anonymousreply 57April 26, 2021 11:04 PM

She really walked around with her Tits out like that? Wow

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by Anonymousreply 1March 2, 2021 12:14 AM

This is the scene I saw on social media but I didn’t know where it was from. It’s short but I loved seeing them dance to Pet Shop Boys version of that song.

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by Anonymousreply 2March 2, 2021 12:19 AM

Just read about her because of this thread. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I never heard of her.

Will be watching.

by Anonymousreply 3March 2, 2021 12:52 AM

Anyone seen it?

by Anonymousreply 4March 2, 2021 6:56 PM

I'm almost done, it's really good so far. Some bits made me sad though.

by Anonymousreply 5March 2, 2021 7:28 PM

R5 I hear it’s sad at moments.

by Anonymousreply 6March 2, 2021 7:56 PM

Can I ask what you guys find interesting about this this woman? I'm not hating I'm genuinely curious

by Anonymousreply 7March 2, 2021 8:10 PM

Does she flick her hair like that all the time? It's so annoying.

by Anonymousreply 8March 2, 2021 9:43 PM

This is a great, under the radar show. If you watch on HBO Max, make sure to turn on the Spanish with English subtitles. The English overdub is distracting and awful. The second episode is a masterpiece.

by Anonymousreply 9March 2, 2021 10:14 PM

I need to watch this

by Anonymousreply 10March 5, 2021 7:31 PM

It's incredibly gripping, especially as you slowly learn that much of the story she is telling is "alternate facts".

I know this is wrong, but when [SPOILER ALERT] she's in prison, she gets raped by the hottest Spanish inmate you have ever seen.

by Anonymousreply 11March 5, 2021 7:36 PM

I just finished the episode that they dragged out Ciccolina! I found the actual photos from the time, they got it pretty close. It's def poignant.

by Anonymousreply 12March 5, 2021 8:05 PM

I just found this and watched the first episode. It has the potential to be great (and reading some reviews, it's supposed to be).

Looking forward to the rest!

by Anonymousreply 13March 16, 2021 4:01 PM

Paca La Piraña, Veneno's real-life BFF who played herself in this, is going to be a guest judge on the upcoming [italic]Drag Race España.[/italic] She seems like a hoot and a half.

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by Anonymousreply 14March 19, 2021 11:14 PM

I’m loving this!! Every episode gets better and better

by Anonymousreply 15March 19, 2021 11:15 PM

Andy Cohen had to be corrected on his radio show when he referred to this series as “Venmo on HBOMAX “

by Anonymousreply 16March 19, 2021 11:28 PM

R15, are you watching with subtitles or dubbing?

by Anonymousreply 17March 19, 2021 11:51 PM

Subtitles. The dubbing sounds ridiculous

by Anonymousreply 18March 20, 2021 12:11 AM

I'm interested in this and in It's a Sin but know there's tragic stuff in both....have to steel myself to watch.

by Anonymousreply 19March 20, 2021 12:35 AM

There’s a lot of joy in both R19

by Anonymousreply 20March 20, 2021 12:43 AM

When is Its a Sin coming to HBO Max?

by Anonymousreply 21March 20, 2021 12:46 AM

R21 It’s already on HBOMax. I watched it a few weeks back

by Anonymousreply 22March 20, 2021 1:02 AM

It was really good, each episode was sort a show in itself.

by Anonymousreply 23March 20, 2021 1:10 AM

This is a brilliant, wild, crazy and sexy series. Absolutely truth or peppered with alt-facts, it is a compelling, fabulously queer show. Hang in through the first episode, you won't believe how these characters change, grow, explode into who they are. And yes, parts of it are sad. Joselito/Christina lead an insane life, pulling few punches and sustaining quite a few. The actress who plays "Valeria" is brilliant. Watch. I dare you not to weep through the last 20 minutes of the last episode. HBO-Max. (Yes, definitely in Spanish with English subtitles. You'll think you're speaking the language.)

by Anonymousreply 24March 20, 2021 1:28 AM

I LOVE Paca, Christina’s BFF.

She’s absolutely hilarious and a natural in front of the camera.

by Anonymousreply 25March 20, 2021 2:33 AM

Every episode is amazing!

by Anonymousreply 26March 21, 2021 12:25 PM

Am I hallucinating?

Have we had a thread with nearly 30 replies on this topic and no hatefulness?

Is this really DL?

by Anonymousreply 27March 21, 2021 12:53 PM

It’s a wonderful story about trans women. Wonderful story

by Anonymousreply 28March 21, 2021 8:29 PM

There's a lot of rewriting of Cristina's story.

She never was a trans activist, she was a prostitute who got famous on a trashy late night show.

The truth is she had tons of charisma and made a lot of money but she had a tendency to date the wrong kind of men (and had a very bad ending).

By the way, the directors are a gay couple, one of them was the guy who played Fer on Física o química

by Anonymousreply 29March 21, 2021 8:33 PM

I’m about to start it. Looks promising.

by Anonymousreply 30April 3, 2021 12:09 AM

I just finished episode 2. It was beautiful. Quite poignant.

by Anonymousreply 31April 3, 2021 2:16 AM

Wow. This show is so good. Omg.

by Anonymousreply 32April 3, 2021 2:56 PM

I find it interesting how the show always makes sure to tell us how ugly Andrea (her Italian man) is but the real man really wasn’t ugly. Maybe he was considered ugly in Spain? His Italian features and all.

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by Anonymousreply 33April 3, 2021 7:51 PM

I adored this show, one of the best I’ve seen all year.

The characters are so real—love, pain. Community

I hope more people get to know about it

by Anonymousreply 34April 3, 2021 8:06 PM

I have never been able to understand the fascination with RuPaul's Drag Race.

This show however is simply excellent, because not only does it have some great over-the-top scenes, but it also presents the real human travails of this community.

by Anonymousreply 35April 3, 2021 8:23 PM

R35 you’re comparing a reality comp show to a series about a real people???

by Anonymousreply 36April 3, 2021 8:38 PM

I think the runty little dude who played her boyfriend was super cute.

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by Anonymousreply 37April 3, 2021 8:47 PM

R37 I agree. But they mentioned how ugly he was more than once. He was cute!

by Anonymousreply 38April 3, 2021 9:11 PM

Imagine comparing this to Drag Race....

by Anonymousreply 39April 3, 2021 10:17 PM

Wow I just watched her porn that the Italian BF convinced her to do and it was so bad.

by Anonymousreply 40April 3, 2021 11:07 PM

Are we supposed to believe she fell and hit her head?

She was covered in bruises and her knuckles were all broken.

by Anonymousreply 41April 3, 2021 11:15 PM

Right now I'm watching the episode where Miss V went to prison, featuring Spanish rapper Kaydy Cain as her hot piece of jailhouse dick.

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by Anonymousreply 42April 12, 2021 3:50 AM

R42 he’s only there very short. It’s messed up

by Anonymousreply 43April 12, 2021 9:21 AM

I am Spanish and was a teenager in the late 90s, when she became famous. I have never understood what people saw in her, as she was clearly illiterate and lacked the intelligence to string a coherent sentence together, not to mention that she was extremely trashy, aggressively vulgar and overtly sexual in the most inappropriate way imaginable. Moreover, she could also be quite unpleasant and was the sort of person who starts uttering insults and throwing punches at the slightest provocation... Which made her ideal for Spanish TV, where many "stars" are slightly demurer versions of her. Still, there wasn't much depth about her and the series romanticizes what was, in reality, an exploitative freakshow.

It is very well known that she had a horrible childhood marked by extreme poverty and constant abuse, which her nasty piece of work of a mother frequently inflicted on her. She was also thrown out of her house at the age of 16, and worked as a bricklayer and "model" for many years, before transitioning. She then became a prostitute and Pepe Navarro, a nefarious journalist who had a rather grotesque late night show (as R29 mentions), became fascinated by her and offered her a lot of money to appear on TV. That made her a star and increased the quality of her clients, as well as how much she could charge for her services - at one point politicians, leaders of industry, footballers and true celebrities were chasing her around, offering her small fortunes for sex.

She then started to throw money around like it was water, allowed the repulsive sociopath Andrea to control her career (do anyone of you truly consider him handsome? He is one of the ugliest men in history, and NO ONE in Italy or Spain, would consider him anything other than a hideous, donkey-faced street urchin), committed insurance fraud several times and ended up in prison for it. When she left prison, she was a bit less of a loud-mouthed idiot than before but, to be honest, she didn't seem to have learned much from that ordeal.

She then lost weight and came back to TV in full force, telling tall tales and being the tacky mess that she had always been... Only to die in rather strange circumstances after making the mistake of mentioning the initials and professions of some of her very powerful former clients, in her autobiography. She could also have been killed by one of the very unsavoury characters that she loved to sleep around with, so who knows? I guess that the trans community are desperate to have martyred role models and are trying to turn her into a tragic heroine, when in reality she was just a beautiful woman with shit for brains and no talent, who became famous for acting like a freak on television, threw it all away and then, died.

Also, she never considered herself transsexual (to be honest, I doubt she was intelligent enough to understand what transgenderism is) and described herself as a "huge faggot". So there - the series is building a castle on a foundation of rubbish, and that's all there is to it.

by Anonymousreply 44April 12, 2021 12:19 PM

Great series! I thoroughly enjoyed and definitely recommend it.

by Anonymousreply 45April 12, 2021 12:26 PM

R44 her family wasn’t in poverty. They actually were fine financially

I don’t think you’re Spanish, based on your posting history

by Anonymousreply 46April 12, 2021 12:48 PM

R44; if she was anything like they showed in this series, she was magnetic.

by Anonymousreply 47April 12, 2021 5:30 PM

R47 you can watch many of her interviews on YouTube. She was messy and confrontational but very charismatic and funny. People loved her, or loved to hate her.

by Anonymousreply 48April 12, 2021 6:05 PM

Here is the interview she did with her mom and dad where she spoke about those 15 year old boys who covered their heads and tried killing her and Paco (shown in the series).

It has English subtitles

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by Anonymousreply 49April 12, 2021 6:12 PM

Sophia Lamar, a fixture of the NYC drag/trans/club-kid scene, played "Cristina Onassis," the glamorous queen who inspired Veneno to transition and from whom she took her name.

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by Anonymousreply 50April 12, 2021 6:17 PM

The talk show that launched her to fame, [italic]Esta Noche Cruzamos el Mississippi (Tonight We Cross the Mississippi),[/italic] was a strange and uniquely Spanish mashup of serious investigative journalism and Maury Povich–style trash TV. It's as if Pedro Almodóvar produced [italic]The Tonight Show.[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 51April 12, 2021 6:40 PM

The ratings would double or triple on nights Veneno was on. That’s why they kept her around and paid her well.

The show was on at Midnight in Spain, and 8 million people would stay up and tune in when she was on. She got them to their highest numbers before they canceled the show. The show ended in July 1997 after political conflicts surrounding the Alcàsser Girls crime

by Anonymousreply 52April 12, 2021 7:10 PM

God. I wanna watch it again lol.

by Anonymousreply 53April 13, 2021 11:55 PM

I can’t wait until I can watch it in Canada

by Anonymousreply 54April 14, 2021 12:15 AM

I FINALLY finished this and it was fantastic. Ugh beautiful and sad. Three questions: SPOILERS! + + + + + + + Was she killed by drug dealers or the skank bf? She was pretty fucked up for just hitting her head accidentally.

Why was Paca la Pirana called that? (She'll be on Drag Race Espana soon I hear judging snatch game featuring Venenos)

Can I find the book in the US?

Besos dolls!

by Anonymousreply 55April 26, 2021 8:10 PM

R55 no one knows who killed her, and it was ruled an accidental death but in reality she was murdered. She didn’t just hit the back of her head with a fall but had bruises all over her face and her fingers and knuckles were broken.

But being a trans woman, they didn’t really care and didn’t look further into it.

Some people think someone had her murdered because in her book she speaks about famous people who fucked her but never named names, or something like that. But she was planning on revealing more with time.

Her book is only available in Spanish. If you can read in Spanish, you can get it on amazon but it costs A LOT now.

I believe Paca was Paco. She simply went from o (masculine in Spanish) to a (feminine in Spanish). La Pirana is self explanatory, just like La Veneno (Poison Girl). Cool trans stage names that BITE and KILL.

by Anonymousreply 56April 26, 2021 9:17 PM

[quote]Why was Paca la Pirana called that?

"Paca" = short for her real name, Francisca (like Paco = Francisco). I guess "La Piraña" refers to her being a voracious eater of mens.

by Anonymousreply 57April 26, 2021 11:04 PM
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