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British Leftists Want British Isis Girl Let Back Into The Country

Because of what this white British guy did. Why isn’t he losing citizenship?

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by Anonymousreply 53September 16, 2021 3:43 AM

It's not just British leftists, it's centrists and right wingers.

This woman is a British citizen. She's a modern day Irma Grese and should be put on trial for crimes against humanity. Leaving her to spread her poison in a camp in Syria and indoctrinate kids with her hate is a pathetic decision.

The hypocrisy of the left is astounding though - the same people arguing that 16 year olds are old enough to vote and make life changing decisions on puberty blockers are too naive and innocent to know they are joining an Islamic supremacist death cult where they prepare imprisoned Yazidi children for violent rapes.

by Anonymousreply 1February 28, 2021 12:04 PM

This is across the political divide and not because of any love or pity for Begum but because she is a British citizen and depriving her of statehood goes against international law. The UK government is claiming because one of her parents was born in Bangladesh that she could claim Bangladeshi citizenship. Bangladesh has already nixed that but the government isn't listening and just wants rid.

The government has already stripped a few others of their UK citizenships but all of these were actual dual citizens, unlike Begum.

by Anonymousreply 2February 28, 2021 12:11 PM

This case troubles me. Shamima Begum was born in the UK. She does not have Bangladeshi citizenship, and Bangladesh has made it clear she is not welcome there. By removing her citizenship the UK government has made her stateless, which is illegal. She should be brought back to face the charges against her, and let justice take its course. If she is found guilty, lock her up.

Fifteen year old girls do not travel to war zones in Syria without a lot of help. There is a story not being told here, and I have a strong suspicion that UK intelligence got things badly wrong and has found a perfect scapegoat for their mishandling of the situation.

by Anonymousreply 3February 28, 2021 12:11 PM

[quote]There is a story not being told here, and I have a strong suspicion that UK intelligence got things badly wrong and has found a perfect scapegoat for their mishandling of the situation.

There's been no cover up. It was acknowledged as soon as they left the country that they were on the radar of intelligence agencies. The 3 girls attended the same school as Sharmeena Begum (no relation) - Sharmeena ran off to Raqqa to join ISIS in December 2014.

Shortly after the school gave the 3 girls letters for them to give to their parents, advising they were at risk of being radicalised. Unsurprisingly the girls didn't give the letters to their families. They left for Raqqa 2 months after Sharmeena Begum.

Before Shamima Begum left the UK she'd been in touch with another ISIS Bride in Raqqa. Aqsa Mahmood's social media accounts were being monitored by security services but they didn't act on it.

by Anonymousreply 4February 28, 2021 12:49 PM

In the TV interview she'd made it perfectly clear that she didn't regret her decision to joined ISIS . She even justify the bombing in Manchester during Ariana Grande concert which killed 22 people half were young people just like her. The fact that she remain a defiant batshit crazy genocidal cunt is the reason why few people even from left have little sympathy for her plight.

Even most British Muslims don't want her back knowing that her trial in the UK will be a complete media circus and she will dragged the whole community into the mud.

by Anonymousreply 5February 28, 2021 2:43 PM

[quote] The fact that she remain a defiant batshit crazy genocidal cunt is the reason why few people even from left have little sympathy for her plight.

Few from the Left? Former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has great sympathy for Begum and her plight. So does current Labour leader Keir Starmer. Which means that so does much of Labour rank and file. More like lots of people from the Left are sympathetic to Begum the defiant, batshit crazy genocidal cunt.

Makes one wonder how those who had friends/loved ones maimed, murdered and blown to bits in London, Manchester, etc. view Labour/the Left.

[quote] Even most British Muslims don't want her back knowing that her trial in the UK will be a complete media circus

Begum should be allowed back into Britain, thrown in jail and then put on trial. It’s long past time for successive British governments to be exposed and roundly condemned for decades of woefully empty-headed migrant and social policies that created the monsters like her.

by Anonymousreply 6February 28, 2021 3:45 PM

[quote]Few from the Left? Former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has great sympathy for Begum and her plight. So does current Labour leader Keir Starmer. Which means that so does much of Labour rank and file. More like lots of people from the Left are sympathetic to Begum the defiant, batshit crazy genocidal cunt.

That's not true.

Starmer is a man who believes in the rule of law. He's currently being attacked by Corbyn supporters because prosecuted the rioters who burned down buildings during the 2011 London riots. This was Starmer in 2019 when Begum tried to come back with her baby who subsequently died.

[quote]I think the Home Secretary should also have really looked at what powers were available to him to deal with the case as it came back. Our Terrorism Acts are very wide ranging now so if you commit an offence in another country you can be prosecuted back here in the United Kingdom and I’ve done many of those cases. Alternatively, if there is not enough evidence, if she came back and there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute, you could also have a prevention order which is where you can’t prosecute but you think measures are necessary.

There is a feeling amongst some on the left, Corbyn included, that Shamima Begum is 100% a victim and should be absolved of all her crimes, that she is as much a victim as the Yazidis she prepared for rape and that if she was white she would be treated differently. The people who think this are the same group of people who are obsessed with Jews but that's another issue.

by Anonymousreply 7February 28, 2021 3:54 PM

So should this guy also lose citizenship?

by Anonymousreply 8February 28, 2021 4:22 PM

R8 - if he had moved abroad and took oaths to destroy his home country, then yes. He's been arrested and is undergoing prosecution.

Let's call this what it is - she moved abroad, dedicated her life to an organization that would target and destroy her home country, but life didn't turn out to be the bed or roses she wanted. She is married to a Belgian man who was also part of ISIS. She had years to rethink this move - but she doubled down.

She can try to go to Belgium with her husband. But she shouldn't expect safety and comfort from her former country that she actively worked against.

by Anonymousreply 9February 28, 2021 4:30 PM

[quote]That's not true. Starmer is a man who believes in the rule of law.

Yes it is. You need to start reading the Brit press more. The Gaudrian, Sun, Daily Mail, and especially policyforum.labour all state that Starmer supports the defiant, batshit crazy genocidal cunt Begum.

by Anonymousreply 10February 28, 2021 4:32 PM

[quote] She's a modern day Irma Grese and should be put on trial for crimes against humanity.

In a UK court?

What a joke.

by Anonymousreply 11February 28, 2021 4:34 PM

[quote]Yes it is. You need to start reading the Brit press more. The Gaudrian, Sun, Daily Mail, and especially policyforum.labour all state that Starmer supports the defiant, batshit crazy genocidal cunt Begum.

I'm British and live in Britain.

Starmer does not support Begum, he supports the rule of law. He wants her returned to the Britain because she is a British citizen so she can prosecuted. For fucks sake Starmer was the most senior prosecutor in Britain.

by Anonymousreply 12February 28, 2021 4:35 PM

[quote]For fucks sake Starmer was the most senior prosecutor in Britain.

R12 Starmer is now a politician with an agenda. You have an agenda too. The Brit press is reporting otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 13February 28, 2021 4:37 PM

She’s going to get a very light sentence and luxury accommodations in the UK.

Then the European Court of Human Rights will reduce the sentence.

Then the UK will spent millions giving her a new identity, housing, child subsidies, and occupation.

Ordinary citizens will be outraged, but powerless.

See, e.g., the case of James Bulger’s murderers.

by Anonymousreply 14February 28, 2021 4:37 PM

*spend

by Anonymousreply 15February 28, 2021 4:39 PM

Whatever happened to the American Taliban teen (the kid from Marin that went and joined up after 9/11)?There was also some Canadian(?) couple that joined and were brought back. Frankly, I’m much more terrified of the domestic QAnon terrorists we have here now.

by Anonymousreply 16February 28, 2021 4:40 PM

R13, are you British?

by Anonymousreply 17February 28, 2021 4:41 PM

They’ll justify everything in r14 by citing the “rule of law”. (The EU will lobby for her immediate release, too.)

Pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 18February 28, 2021 4:41 PM

R16 Those QAnon "terrorists" are not going to fly planes into buildings, strap on suicide belts or blow up hundreds of people on public streets, shopping malls or hotels.

R17 Far worse. I'm Aussie!!

by Anonymousreply 19February 28, 2021 4:42 PM

Yes, I’m aware that the UK isn’t in the EU anymore, anticipated asshole. The EU lobbies nonmember governments in relation “human rights” cases all the time.

by Anonymousreply 20February 28, 2021 4:43 PM

Drone the terrorist bitch.

by Anonymousreply 21February 28, 2021 4:44 PM

Leaving a Muslim in Limbo is a theological tort.

by Anonymousreply 22February 28, 2021 4:54 PM

[quote]She’s going to get a very light sentence and luxury accommodations in the UK. Then the European Court of Human Rights will reduce the sentence. Then the UK will spent millions giving her a new identity, housing, child subsidies, and occupation. Ordinary citizens will be outraged, but powerless. See, e.g., the case of James Bulger’s murderers.

James Bulger's murders were 10 years old when they killed him. Both of them were victims of abuse. Robert Thompson was repeatedly beaten up by his older brothers before the murder and John Venables had been sexually abused by a male relative. Venables is now back in prison having been charged relating to child abuse images. Thompson has been able to rebuild his life and apparently is now in a relationship with a man. You make special dispensations when the offenders are very special. In this case they WERE TEN YEARS OLD.

Bear in mind the two men who murdered Lee Rigby were in their 20s when they killed him. The 28 year old will die in prison, the 22 year old will leave prison at 67 years old at the earliest.

Begum should either be returned to the UK, remanded in prison and put on trial or she should be prosecuted in a special court in Raqqa where knowledge of her activities can be presented and she can defend herself.

by Anonymousreply 23February 28, 2021 4:55 PM

R12 She is also a Bangladeshi citizen, and so it is perfectly legal for the UK to strip her of her citizenship. The problem for this terrorist bitch is that she knows Bangladesh might deal with her as she deserves to be dealt with - ie. to be put to death.

by Anonymousreply 24February 28, 2021 4:56 PM

They don’t call it Londonstan for nothing.

by Anonymousreply 25February 28, 2021 4:57 PM

[quote]She is also a Bangladeshi citizen,

Not according to Bangladesh.

Islamic State bride Shamima Begum, who fled to Syria aged 15, is not a Bangladeshi citizen and will be barred from entering the country, its foreign ministry has said.

There had been speculation that Ms Begum, who is of Bangladeshi heritage, may have citizenship there but its minister of state for foreign affairs Shahriar Alam denied this on Wednesday.

A statement tweeted by the minister said: “The Government of Bangladesh is deeply concerned that she has been erroneously identified as a holder of dual citizenship shared with Bangladesh alongside her birthplace, the United Kingdom.

“Bangladesh asserts that Ms Shamima Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen. She is a British citizen by birth and has never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh.

“It may also be mentioned that she never visited Bangladesh in the past despite her parental lineage.

“So, there is no question of her being allowed to enter into Bangladesh.”

by Anonymousreply 26February 28, 2021 5:00 PM

R23, let’s see what happens. Two years from now, let’s see.

The UK deserves to be overrun.

by Anonymousreply 27February 28, 2021 5:03 PM

[quote][R23], let’s see what happens. Two years from now, let’s see. The UK deserves to be overrun.

Omg it's Marjorie Taylor Green!

by Anonymousreply 28February 28, 2021 5:06 PM

[quote] I have a strong suspicion that UK intelligence got things badly wrong and has found a perfect scapegoat for their mishandling of the situation

No doubt they got things badly wrong and there is a lot more to this story. But this is hardly a perfect scapegoat, since it has united people across the political spectrum.

by Anonymousreply 29February 28, 2021 5:14 PM

Sorry no sympathy from me. She can rot where she is.

by Anonymousreply 30February 28, 2021 5:17 PM

[quote]No doubt they got things badly wrong and there is a lot more to this story. But this is hardly a perfect scapegoat, since it has united people across the political spectrum.

Are you suggesting the government's motivation in stripping Begum of British citizenship and refusing to let her return to Britain is motivated by their decision to cover up security failings?

by Anonymousreply 31February 28, 2021 5:19 PM

Why cant she just go to an Islamic country and settle there? Then she can rejoice in the full glory of Islam amongst her own kind and not have to see or deal with any western scum all. That way she will be happy and the British people will sleep better at night knowing they are safer and she's never coming back.

by Anonymousreply 32February 28, 2021 5:21 PM

[quote]There is a feeling amongst some on the left, Corbyn included, that Shamima Begum is 100% a victim and should be absolved of all her crimes, that she is as much a victim as the Yazidis she prepared for rape and that if she was white she would be treated differently. The people who think this are the same group of people who are obsessed with Jews but that's another issue.

Dunno about that. Jack Letts was stripped of his and his parents got a suspended jail sentence for sending him money and they are all whiter than white. Can't remember there being much uproar about that from any political side. Thing is, he wasn't left stateless unlike Begum but he was certainly dumped on an unwilling Canada much as the British government is keen to foist Begum onto Bangladesh.

by Anonymousreply 33February 28, 2021 5:24 PM

[quote] Are you suggesting the government's motivation in stripping Begum of British citizenship and refusing to let her return to Britain is motivated by their decision to cover up security failings?

I don't know, but it seems like nothing going on in Syria or involving ISIS is fully known to the public. It seems to me that the British failed to calculate that the case would get this much attention.

by Anonymousreply 34February 28, 2021 5:24 PM

If she believed she was old enough to make the decision to leave the UK, join a terrorist group, and take part in their atrocities, she should also agree she's old enough to deal with the consequences of her decision.

She can marry some fundamentalist Islamic man and live under his rule. It's what she wants and what she thinks is appropriate. If it means living her life in circumstances not of her choosing -- tough shit.

by Anonymousreply 35February 28, 2021 5:26 PM

The British are sending a clear message to the other crazy Immigrants that if they try and bite the hand that feeds them then there will be consequences.

by Anonymousreply 36February 28, 2021 5:27 PM

[quote]I don't know, but it seems like nothing going on in Syria or involving ISIS is fully known to the public. It seems to me that the British failed to calculate that the case would get this much attention.

Are you British yourself or have you ever lived in the UK? The idea that this kind of story wouldn't get much attention is fantasy.

It's exactly the kind of story that the media will obsess over. VICTIM OR VILLAIN? INNOCENT CHILD OR RUTHLESS KILLER?

by Anonymousreply 37February 28, 2021 5:29 PM

R26 Well they would say that, wouldn't they. I trust the British government to view matters in a rational and dispassionate way, unlike Bangladesh which is a corrupt, venal Third World hellhole. The Bangladeshis are just angling for more UK financial aid.

by Anonymousreply 38February 28, 2021 5:34 PM
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by Anonymousreply 39February 28, 2021 5:41 PM

What is the Islamic State's status vis-à-vis international law?

by Anonymousreply 40February 28, 2021 5:42 PM

*F*E*T*I*S*H*!*

by Anonymousreply 41February 28, 2021 5:44 PM

R39 Anything that makes Jacinda Ardern unhappy is a GOOD THING.

by Anonymousreply 42February 28, 2021 5:51 PM

R36, was she born in the UK?

by Anonymousreply 43March 1, 2021 7:17 AM

[quote] They don’t call it Londonstan for nothing.

No one calls it that.

by Anonymousreply 44March 1, 2021 7:19 AM

I answered my own question at r40 (contains Christian Tomuschat's article "The Status of the ‘Islamic State’ under International Law"):

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by Anonymousreply 45March 1, 2021 1:16 PM

So should this guy lose his citizenship?

by Anonymousreply 46March 1, 2021 1:17 PM

Keep all Islamists in Islamic countries!

by Anonymousreply 47March 9, 2021 3:00 PM

Our girl Shamima is back, and she's had a makeover!

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by Anonymousreply 48September 15, 2021 1:36 PM

Here come the interviews, book deal, and endorsement deals!

I bet she becomes a celebrity. That's how depraved the UK is now.

by Anonymousreply 49September 15, 2021 1:41 PM

R49, someone on Twitter pointed out that she looks as though she's angling for an appearance on Love Island.

by Anonymousreply 50September 15, 2021 9:15 PM

[quote] That's how depraved the UK is now

It seems to be so from everything we're hearing.

by Anonymousreply 51September 15, 2021 10:34 PM

She is looking good. Future influencer!

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