GOP Officially the Party of the Working Class
|by Anonymous||reply 82||Last Monday at 1:03 PM|
People are dumbasses.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||Last Monday at 3:13 AM|
oh yeah, what do the working class Texans think now?
|by Anonymous||reply 2||Last Monday at 3:14 AM|
Once you lose your union job you end up a Republican.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||Last Monday at 3:18 AM|
GOP Officially the Party of the White Working Class
|by Anonymous||reply 4||Last Monday at 3:20 AM|
Yeah, this story doesn’t spell it out. It’s not about economics. It’s culture. Country club Republicans are dying off/unregistering. And the whites without college degrees are sorting into Rep camp.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||Last Monday at 3:46 AM|
Racism? Lack of education?
|by Anonymous||reply 6||Last Monday at 3:51 AM|
The mother fucking union members at GM and Chrysler have only the Democrats to thank for their jobs. Republicans were dead set against bailing out GM and Chrysler back in 2009 and 2010.
So how do these assholes thank the Democrats? By becoming rabid Trumpsters and MAGAts. They're more concerned about blacks and browns getting their jobs than they are about the jobs themselves, and the black guy in the White House for 8 years was simply too much for them to process and handle.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||Last Monday at 3:52 AM|
People down on their luck are more likely to blame others for their situation. These people us minorities as a scapegoat and Republicans love agreeing with them or putting it into their heads. They also promise to bring jobs back like coal which is impossible.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||Last Monday at 3:52 AM|
In a two party system, after the Democrats ignored and then showed contempt and hatred of working class people, where else were they to go?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||Last Monday at 3:58 AM|
This is consistent with my experiences. We have a pretty diverse group of family and friends. It was pretty hilarious seeing white yoga mom acquaintances in Laguna and Westport posting to social media their “BLM” rallies in their 95% white affluent towns. But you just know little Ocean and Tanner would be yanked out of public school asap if poor minorities started showing up there. And on the other hand, some of our, black and latino friends and family members who are working class support Republicans on social media, these are people who are in the military, work for the state government, etc. The Democrats are turning into out of touch NIMBY living-the-gated-community condescension types. I have never voted republican and dont think i ever could. But I get the frustration and rejection by the working class of certain Democrat principles
|by Anonymous||reply 10||Last Monday at 4:02 AM|
To the idiots at R9/R10: Yeah, it's so much better for disaffected blue collar workers to seek shelter in the arms of some faux populist like Donald Trump, NY born and reared, inheritor of Daddy's megabucks, private schools and Ivy League educated, never worked a day of physical labor in his life, whose entire social life revolves around expensive country clubs and is now living his ex-presidential life in the ultimate "out of touch NIMBY living-the-gated-community," Mar-a-Lago.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||Last Monday at 4:10 AM|
For a classless society, you sure are hooked up on class.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||Last Monday at 4:14 AM|
There are still a lot of Dem politicians that fight for working class folks. This all started with Clinton triangulation...and the 3rd way of centrist Democrats.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||Last Monday at 4:17 AM|
I’m tired of the working class being held up as a beacon of morality. Most working class people I know are blissfully ignorant, racist, and insular. It makes perfect senses those types of people would feel at home in the Republican.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||Last Monday at 4:18 AM|
This is news? This has been going on since Reagan and their decision to appeal to racism and painting others as the reason for their problems.
Trump just turned it up and spoke plainly instead of with dogwhistles.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||Last Monday at 4:21 AM|
R11, I don’t know how you got that R10 was somehow endorsing voting Republican.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||Last Monday at 4:31 AM|
That's one demographic. Honestly who cares, you can't reach these people unless they experience a serious betrayal by the republican party they idolize, kind of like Ted Cruz abandoning them and AOC stepping up to help them. Because their lives suck, they want to feel better than others whom they deem lesser than, like blacks, Latinos, Asians, LGBT.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||Last Monday at 4:41 AM|
Given the fact that Republicans are responsible for the disappearing working/middle class, this doesn’t concern me at all. A larger percentage of a shrinking base; big deal.
I also wonder how many Bill & Mildred Sixpacks actually take the time to get their fat asses to the polls . . .
|by Anonymous||reply 18||Last Monday at 4:54 AM|
I’ve wanted them to become a blue collar party for a few years now. They need to start acting like it and stop being the party of tax cuts for millionaires.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||Last Monday at 5:01 AM|
let them eat cake. and learn to code.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||Last Monday at 5:34 AM|
It's a combination of resentment against what are perceived as liberal forces in the culture at large. Affirmative action places minorities ahead of whites in the workplace, immigration is making whites a minority in their "own" country, and get placed ahead of whites in the workplace, and we haven't even gotten to the gay and trans issues which don't play well in blue-collar circles. Women who get pregnant out of wedlock seem to be rewarded instead of penalized. The recurrent theme is Liberal Democrats want to tax you, take your money and give it to undeserving blacks and browns.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||Last Monday at 5:37 AM|
On his first day in office, Biden killed thousands of jobs when he got rid of the Keystone Pipeline. He’s already made it clear that illegals are a priority over hard working Americans. The Democratic Party is nothing but a party of wealthy donors and radical ivory tower types. The GOP is now the party of the working class because the Democrats’ policies don’t work and they never will.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||Last Monday at 5:41 AM|
[quote] the Democrats ignored and then showed contempt and hatred of working class people
The Dems have been fighting to RAISE the minimum wage; fought for OSHA; support unions; support family leave - all of which the GOP has fought against tooth and nail. Who are the ones showing contempt and hatred for working class people?
It's scumbags like Mitt Romney and his Bain Capital that bought up scores of healthy small manufacturing businesses all over the country, then saddled them with debt and drove them into bankruptcy, destroying jobs. That's the way Republicans support working class people.
This shift to the GOP is pure racism and the refusal of WWC males in particular to accept that they aren't better than people of color.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||Last Monday at 5:44 AM|
Just a little something to debunk R22's blatant trolling:
|by Anonymous||reply 24||Last Monday at 5:49 AM|
[quote] In a two party system, after the Democrats ignored and then showed contempt and hatred of working class people, where else were they to go?
Democrats protecting their jobs and getting them healthcare and education is showing contempt? Sit down, cracker fuck.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||Last Monday at 5:50 AM|
[quote] On his first day in office, Biden killed thousands of jobs when he got rid of the Keystone Pipeline. He’s already made it clear that illegals are a priority over hard working Americans.
Cracker fag has joined us.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||Last Monday at 5:51 AM|
[quote] Women who get pregnant out of wedlock seem to be rewarded instead of penalized.
Oh, dear god. Those women are blue collar.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||Last Monday at 5:52 AM|
[quote] It was pretty hilarious seeing white yoga mom acquaintances in Laguna and Westport posting to social media their “BLM” rallies in their 95% white affluent towns.
So because someone is white and has done well they can’t support BLM. You’re a fucking idiot.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||Last Monday at 5:56 AM|
No one protects working class jobs. Bi partisan fuckery sold out blue collar workers in the name of global trade.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||Last Monday at 5:57 AM|
Exactly R8. Just read this thread. Nothing but contempt and baseless assumptions.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||Last Monday at 5:59 AM|
One of the last of the old-school blue collar Dems has an opinion on this, fwiw...
|by Anonymous||reply 31||Last Monday at 5:59 AM|
R9 I mean.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||Last Monday at 6:00 AM|
[quote]So because someone is white and has done well they can’t support BLM. You’re a fucking idiot.
R28 the point is they go out of their way to live away from minorities but they’ll put a great big BLM sign on their lawn (that they pay Mexican laborers to mow.)
|by Anonymous||reply 33||Last Monday at 6:01 AM|
[quote]the point is they go out of their way to live away from minorities but they’ll put a great big BLM sign on their lawn (that they pay Mexican laborers to mow.)
Where does this happen?
|by Anonymous||reply 34||Last Monday at 6:03 AM|
[quote]Cracker fag has joined us.
Can’t resist being racist and homophobic.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||Last Monday at 6:07 AM|
The article doesn’t say exactly when this poling was conducted, but I assume it was prior to 1/6. I think if you asked the same questions after 1/6 the results would be different - watch the GOP gains amongst black and Latino voters evaporate.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||Last Monday at 6:08 AM|
I live around these people, and it is completely about "being better than them [non-white people]", and "save those unborn white babies". That's it.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||Last Monday at 6:10 AM|
I heard this over the weekend and thought it was very bizarre. For the life of me, I cannot think of one thing the republicans do for the working class.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||Last Monday at 6:16 AM|
Fools. Ignorant bigots, for racism is the only reason---and guns---these people would vote for Republicans.
I wish we could deprive them of Democratic-won "Working Class" benefits, such as Unemployment Compensation, union-won retirement pensions, the 40-hour workweek, overtime pay, non-discriminatory hiring laws, Child Labor laws, increases in the Minimum Wage, OSHA, and, not to put too fine a point on it, Social Security.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||Last Monday at 6:23 AM|
Can't be repeated enough.
“I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it,” he said. “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” - LBJ
Trump wasn't some genius orator. He's a racist fucking clown who just told white people all of their problems are due to those brown and black people. It's a very simple, despicable message and millions of white people are despicable enough to believe they are superior based on nothing but their epidermis (we have several of those morons right here). And the media is pathetic for not addressing the entitlement of these assholes, instead, they've enabled it with these folksy, Norman Rockwell-like portrayals of who they are.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||Last Monday at 6:23 AM|
Thank you for sharing, R36. She's right.
The right scare them and they kiss their asses, R38. The fear the right causes plays well with their obsession with firearms and they loved having their asses kissed. They want to believe --deep down-- they're better and their "common sense values" are better than anything the other side has going for them.
They'll go with the group that makes them feel less shitty about themselves. And they don't mind the fear porn the Right churns out because it gives them an excuse to buy more guns and hate more coloreds.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||Last Monday at 6:24 AM|
R7, I thought Dubya introduced the bailout legislation, but Obama carried it through? At any rate, Republicans love corporate welfare, so not sure why they’d be against the bailouts, unless they didn’t personally stand to gain I guess. The bailout was the right thing to do, though. That’s how the government should help the economy.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||Last Monday at 6:26 AM|
R31, thats coded racism.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||Last Monday at 6:30 AM|
"Let's find out what some of the tens of millions of Trump voters are---
thinking; doing; feeling; saying; reading; believing; displaying; watching; buying; eating; drinking...."
Not Word One about or from the 85 million BIDEN voters.
Trump knew what he was doing when he called the MSM "the enemy of the people." He knew that they would then strive mightily to give more air-time and ink to his voters.
Ironically, that's when the media really did become the enemies of the people.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||Last Monday at 6:31 AM|
[quote] Can’t resist being racist and homophobic.
Cracker is not a racist term as whites are the majority, and I’m gay so I can use fag all I want. Kindly sit your racist faggot ass down.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||Last Monday at 6:32 AM|
Anyone that voted Republican doesn’t deserve shit. They should be called out as idiots. They hate political correctness, right? Well there you have it. Fuck your feelings. Pull yourselves up by the bootstraps and work harder and get out of the blue collar lifestyle. It’s not anyone’s else’s fault that you chose not to apply yourself. If you’re white and aren’t disabled, you have no excuse. Vote Republican and watch your lives get a million times worse. No skin off my nose.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||Last Monday at 6:35 AM|
And they’re all currently freezing to death in Texas looking for handouts.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||Last Monday at 6:35 AM|
Look, the majority of people vote for Dems. We need to be rid of the EC and gerrymandering pretzel-like districts, then see how well the GOP does. And frankly, I wish the Senate were more reflective of the population, too. Joe Manchin represents fewer people than live in Brooklyn alone. The Senate is a joke in how power is allowed to be wielded. 12 million more people voted for Senate Dems than Reps in 2018, and yet Reps kept control. We have a ridiculous system which is not reflective of what the majority believes.
You cannot help these white, blue collar assholes and I'm tired of people trying to pretend their concerns are legitimate. There is no reason to try and reach repugnant people -and that is what they are- because so many of them have no fucking money and they are NOT stupid. They know Republicans are for the rich. Many of them know Obama was the reason they finally had healthcare and said so, and they resented him for it and still went to vote GOP. Coal miners knew Obama tried to help them by offering training programs for new industries. And even th situation in TX: The REPUBLICANS were warned about this happening when Obama was president.
My only wish is that people were made to live their vote. If you vote Republican, you must live entirely under their policies. You do not get to benefit from a single Dem policy.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||Last Monday at 6:39 AM|
R4 Exactly. This has irked me during the whole Trump phenomenon. "Oh, we need to understand these oppressed, put upon, Working Class voters who object to "coastal elites" etc etc. "
Well, black and brown "working class" voters, although marginally increased support for Trump in 2020, are 80% AGAINST the current GOP.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||Last Monday at 6:41 AM|
[quote]Cracker is not a racist term as whites are the majority, and I’m gay so I can use fag all I want. Kindly sit your racist faggot ass down.
It’s so sad this never yields banning on this website.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||Last Monday at 6:44 AM|
R50 is upset that he can’t call people the n-word.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||Last Monday at 6:47 AM|
This is the biggest change--that Trump has made being a Republican a decidedly downscale choice,
Trumpism is in many ways cultural, a sign of defiantly belonging to the blue collar cultural group as much as pickup trucks, non-tribal tattoos, gun racks, fat women/skinny men, and Confederate flags.
Similarly, upper middle class people tend to assume that everyone they know is a Trump hating Democrat.
Polls like this will mostly, as many of you note, result in a bunch more Cletus Safaris by the NYT, WaPo and the Atlantic to see why the white Flyoverstani working class still supports Trump
|by Anonymous||reply 52||Last Monday at 6:48 AM|
The "coastal elite" line is bullshit. These imbeciles have no issue with coastal elites, they just require they be a racist, bigoted prick like Trump and/or kiss Trump's ass like Cruz/Hawley (yes, I know they're not on the coasts, but the elite part definitely applies). Trump himself wants nothing more than to be a part of Hollywood celeb and Wall Street fat cat circles.
Trump even mocked Biden for going to a state school. That's not elitist?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||Last Monday at 6:50 AM|
[quote] I’m gay so I can use fag all I want.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||Last Monday at 6:51 AM|
And now the media will undoubtedly cover Trump at CPAC.
THIS is the fucking problem. They keep giving that MFer oxygen.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||Last Monday at 6:54 AM|
The affinity they have for Trump is baffling R53
He is, after all, a wealthy spoiled New Yorker, and pretty much the stereotype of the obnoxioys nouveau riche Jewish New York family business owner of the sort played by Rodney Dangerfield in numerous films and cited as a reason to hate Jews by numerous antisemites. And while Trump himself happens to be Protestant, his closest allies and favorite child are all Jewish.
Yet people whose attire includes Camp Auschwitz shirts have made him their hero.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||Last Monday at 6:56 AM|
R55 it’s become a symbiotic relationship. They give each other oxygen.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||Last Monday at 6:59 AM|
[quote]The Democrats are turning into out of touch NIMBY living-the-gated-community condescension types.
Democrats in Congress, in the White House, and in state politics are currently pushing serious legislation that helps working people, families, the middle class, etc. It's the Republicans who oppose those. If you can't see that you've just bought into brainless rightwing talking points. Also, as someone said upthread, this trend has been going on since 1980.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||Last Monday at 7:00 AM|
All you people clutching your pearls over the use of the c-word and the f-word need to understand that "Defacto" opposes gay rights, and same-sex marriage specifically. And voted for Trump.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||Last Monday at 7:02 AM|
This isn’t about me, r59. How much damage could one total bottom do?
|by Anonymous||reply 60||Last Monday at 7:06 AM|
[quote]All you people clutching your pearls over the use of the c-word and the f-word
Calling homophobia = “pearl clutching”
|by Anonymous||reply 61||Last Monday at 7:18 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 62||Last Monday at 7:18 AM|
This a thread about Democrats losing voters and it feels like a right-wing thread from 2004 with all the calling gay people f-ggots.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||Last Monday at 7:20 AM|
R56, and these people use the line of how elitists "look down on them." That's what Trump does - even the educated ones. Just ask Jeff Sessions and his southern accent.
Trump is literally everything they think they are against and they ignore it all because he's more vociferous in his hate for other groups.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||Last Monday at 7:24 AM|
r61/r63, which is more homophobic:
(a) Wanting the government to forcibly dissolve all same-sex marriages in the name of "preserving society", as DeFecto does; or
(b) Calling people who advocate option (a) horrible names?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||Last Monday at 7:32 AM|
They’re both homophobic. Datalounge is bizarre.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||Last Monday at 7:34 AM|
Losing voters but still winning by 7 million votes? Something is not computing accurately or white people are declining faster than expected.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||Last Monday at 7:35 AM|
[quote] To the idiots at [R9]/[R10]: Yeah, it's so much better for disaffected blue collar workers to seek shelter in the arms of some faux populist like Donald Trump, NY born and reared, inheritor of Daddy's megabucks, private schools and Ivy League educated, never worked a day of physical labor in his life, whose entire social life revolves around expensive country clubs and is now living his ex-presidential life in the ultimate "out of touch NIMBY living-the-gated-community," Mar-a-Lago.
Yet the party of change elected an 80 year old man whose had a political career for 50 years. And the most progressive candidate is also 80 years old. Sometimes the ones who lead the charge are the most unlikely.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||Last Monday at 7:38 AM|
CNN is trying to convince us that Trump, who got more votes than any other presidential incumbent, isn't the face of the GOP. The establishment fears a class war and are doing all they can to smear everyone who says we should prioritize American citizens as racists or Nazis. It's no longer left vs. right. It's us vs. them.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||Last Monday at 7:43 AM|
Caplitalism doesn't work if you're not providing value to your citizens. The tech oligarchs and the globalists are providing nothing of value to its citizens but getting rich anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||Last Monday at 7:46 AM|
R43 - Where is the codes racism?
|by Anonymous||reply 71||Last Monday at 7:47 AM|
You notice how the media always say Dems are "out of touch" with these people, but they never actually explain in detail what that means and they also don't have the guts to say why they gravitated to Trump who does understand them?
We saw this with Joe the Plumber. A loser in every way whose delusions of grandeur guided his vote. The reality of who he was would've benefited from Obama's policies, but he deluded himself into believing he was something he wasn't and voted Republican based on that.
If you're blue collar, your skin collar alone will never pay the bills. You need to be realistic about who you are and accept that Donald Trump cannot relate to you in any damned way. You are nothing but a failure to him. Dem policies benefit you; that you think it shouldn't benefit others as well as you, is on you for being a despicable person.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||Last Monday at 8:29 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 73||Last Monday at 8:30 AM|
R69 I like you!
|by Anonymous||reply 74||Last Monday at 8:31 AM|
R71, they want Democrats to attack minorities for them. That’s the only thing Democrats won’t do. The idiots that voted for Trump voted for him on social issues, not economic. Racism is all Trump and the GOP offer.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||Last Monday at 8:52 AM|
To be succinct, it’s racism. The GOP is excellent at exploiting White fears and resentment. Republicants have the built-in base of Confederates, and they are adding disaffected Caucasians hand over fist by being excellent peddlers of propaganda. Joe Scarborough put it best: his relatives all say the same thing: cancel culture and rampant political correctness, which is essentially the issue between R22 and R26. As much as R26 is 99% correct, he has lost everything by falling into the trap of “POC can’t be racist” claptrap. The White masses can smell this hypocrisy a mile away. It’s a similar argument to the inflammatory term “White Privilege.” It’s a non-starter, as it negates the potential acknowledgment of any White “suffering.” Very similar to term “defund the police,” the term is a conversation ender. The sentiments behind both are accurate and genuine, but if you have explain a term that much, you have already lost. BLM is a great example, but it seems that it actually worked this time to repeatedly explain to Whites wtf this term actually meant. The proof is the shockingly huge crowds of Caucasians that came out to protest after the murder of George Floyd. Even Black activists were shocked by that phenomenon. White folks finally “got it.” BLM won that PR campaign. We have a chance to stop this slide/retreat of Whites to the GOP, let’s not make it worse by denying the reality that anyone can be racist. POC do/have hold power in this country. Using a term that is perceived to be racist (& classist) does not help, and actually hastens the phenomenon described by OP. Finally, I am guilty as well, as I use the term” Trumptard,” which makes any meaningful conversation with these types impossible. If we are going to counteract the 24/7 propaganda machine by the right, we’ve got to tone the rhetoric down.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||Last Monday at 10:11 AM|
I agree totally R9 that's why, even more than the GOP, the Democratic Party needs to split.
But I'd also add that the GOP is the party of white racism and the D of identity politics.
Pity those are the only two options available. Like two parties.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||Last Monday at 11:15 AM|
I think it goes further back than Trump or Reagan or even Nixon 1968. During the McCarthy era, Unions were split between those who wanted to negotiate better pay and benefits and work rules and those who were more radical, who saw the Labor movement as something larger than moving working men into the home owning middle classes. There were Labor schools to provide education with a labor/socialist/leftist perspective. Between McCarthyism/red scare tactics led by US and state and local governments and union leadership seeking accomadation with the corporations and focusing on wage and benefits, the more progressive leaders were ostrasized and efforts such as labor schools were de funded and shut down. In the short term, working people benefited materially, but rather than getting further educated, at most they acquired new workplace skills and became content with the middle class lifestyle even if their jobs were dull and regimented. If the radicals with a greater vision of what the labor movement could be in the US had been able to hold on and gain influence who knows how the white working class would be these days?
|by Anonymous||reply 78||Last Monday at 12:07 PM|
[quote] I agree totally [R9] that's why, even more than the GOP, the Democratic Party needs to split.
Fuck off, Boris.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||Last Monday at 12:19 PM|
Reagan really endorsed it and got it out into the mainstream though R78.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||Last Monday at 12:35 PM|
[quote] If you vote Republican, you must live entirely under their policies. You do not get to benefit from a single Dem policy.
R48 Fuck!! I'm about to cum.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||Last Monday at 12:53 PM|
Anecdote at best, but when Trump removed the health insurance tax penalty, my coworkers cheered. Affordable health plans for people making under $50k are garbage and they hit the paycheck, pharmacy bill, and doctor’s visits especially hard.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||Last Monday at 1:03 PM|