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Now this is interesting. Aussies, so you can't post news on Facebook now?

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by Anonymousreply 47Last Friday at 10:42 PM

Zuck > A continent

by Anonymousreply 102/17/2021

Facebook is a clusterfuck.

by Anonymousreply 202/17/2021

And what about it?

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by Anonymousreply 302/17/2021

Meh I’ll just overthrow their government.

by Anonymousreply 402/17/2021

No news content on Facebook is a good thing, no?

by Anonymousreply 502/17/2021

They’ll replace the news with Zuck’s dick pics. That can be Australia’s punishment.

by Anonymousreply 602/17/2021

How would this be Australia's punishment? It's laid down the law. Facebook has backed off. So now only pictures of kitties and eldergays in high school. As Facebook should be.

by Anonymousreply 702/17/2021

We are trying to get Google and Facebook to pay our professional news services for news on their sites, in an attempt to be able to afford proper journalism again, now the internet has sapped all the advertising from newspapers and lowered its benefits for TV.

What Facebook is removing/barring, to be clear, is any news from a source with an editorial policy, fact-checkers, code of practice and other standards that go along with traditional journalism. This means its readers should be aware that from today (assuming it does pull the plug), all "news" they are receiving there is virtually guaranteed to be BS. This should be a great moment, where Facebook loses all its credibility as a news provider, but Zuck is doubtless betting that people are too stupid to register that what they're losing constitutes a problem. Or even that there's been any change.

Google has agreed to pay.

Article from news source with editorial policy below.

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by Anonymousreply 802/17/2021

Thanks r8 Then Facebook should be legally required to flag their so-called news as fact unchecked news.

by Anonymousreply 902/17/2021

Apparently this is Mark Zuckerberg's decision personally and he has just spoken to the Australian government (Australian Treasurer Josh Frydenberg) personally about it.

So although he might try to pretend otherwise in front of Congress - Zuckerberg seems to be very involved in the day to day running of Facebook...

by Anonymousreply 1002/17/2021

No R4 - because Facebook are only blocking Australian government websites, government emergency notifications such as weather events, bush fires etc. and they are blocking respected authentic news media journalism sources.

Facebook users will still be able to post any other bullshit they want from QAnon and conspiracy theory garbage sources unfettered.

by Anonymousreply 1102/17/2021

[quote]No news content on Facebook is a good thing, no?

Sorry - that post was to R5.

by Anonymousreply 1202/17/2021

They should not be blocking Australian government websites, much less emergency notifications. This is breaking news here at the moment, including that they are blocking some sites and not others. Nobody yet understands the rationale.

As I understand it, what the government is seeking is only that they stop stealing the products of journalism. Australian government websites are available free to the whole world, so there's no reason it would limit them to Facebook.

by Anonymousreply 1302/17/2021

[quote]They should not be blocking Australian government websites, much less emergency notifications.

Exactly. But they are blocking government websites. That's payback directly from Zuckerburg.

by Anonymousreply 1402/17/2021

Facebook banned Facebook

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by Anonymousreply 1502/17/2021

Don't let anyone tell you private businesses do things better.

Naturally it will take work to set up Facebook properly and responsibly. It was way out of hand.

Good start. Well done Australia! Others will surely follow.

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by Anonymousreply 1602/17/2021

[quote]Don't let anyone tell you private businesses do things better.

This isn’t a private business “doing things worse” — it’s a private company responding to a foreign government exerting blatant protectionism because its local publishers were completely outcompeted for as revenue by Facehook.

[quote]Good start. Well done Australia! Others will surely follow.

Yes, enjoy not being able to access news on Facebook Australia! That’s what protectionism brings.

by Anonymousreply 1702/17/2021

This news is step 2 of a bigger war.

Step 1 happened about 4 weeks ago when the Australian government demanded that Google and Facebook and Twitter pay a fee to all the traditional news-gathering companies or be hit with higher taxes.

Google responded by threatening to abandon Australia but it reneged on that this week and secretly agreed to pay an undisclosed fee to those traditional news-gathering companies.

Step 2 is Facebook's threat and its clumsy implementation.

Step 3 will be Twitter

Step 4 will happen in the UK where the 3 Tech giants are also manipulating the tax rules of the land.

by Anonymousreply 1802/17/2021

Fb and Google redirect traffic to those news sites. I think it's the news sites that should pay Google and Facebook.

by Anonymousreply 1902/17/2021

R17, they were only outcompeted because Facebook outright stole their content.

Y'all need to know that one of the causes of this step by the government is that Murdoch (and the other major owner of media in Australia, along with some smaller concerns) is urging them to, so it's more or less Sociopath Wars.

But the point remains that, as with your individual data, Facebook just takes and profits from anything that appears on its site without any form of compensation. (It's as if movie theatres never paid Hollywood any royalties because after all, the movie is showing on their screen.) That is exactly the kind of activity regulators exist to curb, and in this country (unlike the wild west over there) we believe regulators frequently perform a useful function. In fact, we usually complain they don't go far enough.

Google didn't secretly agree to pay an undisclosed fee. It publicly agreed to pay an undisclosed fee.

R19, are you suggesting that a Facebook user gets directed to a news site, clicks on it, and then goes, "Wow, I'm staying here for my news and abandoning Google and Facebook for the purpose!"? Because, said no-one, ever.

P.S. Apparently the government and related sites "inadvertently" removed by Facebook skew heavily towards sites with a strong scientific component. (They include sites integral to getting out the health department's message about the Covid vaccine: our vaccination program starts next week.) It will be interesting to see how many of these sites are restored.

by Anonymousreply 2002/17/2021

That's a very sensible post, R20 (apart from the 2nd paragraph).

This fight is all about revenue and power.

by Anonymousreply 2102/18/2021

[quote] Facebook just takes and profits from anything that appears on its site without any form of compensation.

Exactly. What Facebook has been doing is stealing, and they should be forced to pay.

by Anonymousreply 2202/18/2021

Wait - so some Australian news company sets up a FB page and voluntarily places links to their website on that FB page, meaning the user has to click on the website? How is that "stealing" from the news company? That's affording the news company additional clicks.

If Facebook copied the story in longform on it's site, enabling the user to read it without clicking through, I can see how that would be a problem, but are they doing that? No.

by Anonymousreply 2302/18/2021

When Facebook is allowed to show links to news articles, it benefits from news organizations. But as users get redirected to news sites from FB, they get shown ads on those news sites. So news organizations do make money thanks to FB. Why should Facebook pay them on top of this?

by Anonymousreply 2402/19/2021

So in Australia if you link some news article on DL, DL will have to pay them too?

by Anonymousreply 2502/19/2021

Only fat, ugly and stupid people read news on Facebook and Twitter. Facebook did the right thing to kill itself there!

by Anonymousreply 2602/19/2021

Something that will speak to the eldergays on DL:

(1) It's a bit as if the telephone companies had to pay all businesses that they put in their phone book.

(2) it's as if your TV guide had to pay all TV networks for publishing the TV schedule.

It's simply some government-backed extortion.

Stop saying FB has to pay simply because you hate FB. I hate FB too. But this sets a very bad precedent for the internet.

by Anonymousreply 2702/19/2021

[quote] Yes, enjoy not being able to access news on Facebook Australia! That’s what protectionism brings.

If only there were some kind of system, a system listing the names of all the domains on the internet belonging to these news organizations that people could use to access that news without going through Facebook...🤔

by Anonymousreply 2802/19/2021

"It could be that future historians of the internet come to see this decision as the moment the world sat up and started to take serious action on making Big Tech accountable to society.”

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by Anonymousreply 2902/19/2021

I doubt it

by Anonymousreply 3002/19/2021

I think everyone is now aware that, contrary to what Zuckerberg has said in the past, if FB wants to ban/block/stop the circulation of fake news or promotion of far-right groups they can just flip a switch, as they just did with Australian govt pages.

So Z was lying to Congress when he said the procedure was so complex it couldn't be done with any appreciable speed?

by Anonymousreply 3102/19/2021

[Quote] the moment the world sat up and started to take serious action on making Big Tech accountable

[Quote] I doubt it

Here you go r30 More food for thought.

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by Anonymousreply 3202/19/2021

This has nothing about making big tech accountable. This is about big news wanting more money in addition to what they make from Facebook's traffic.

Ridiculous how OP wants us to believe it's good guys vs bad guys.

by Anonymousreply 3302/19/2021

So like things like birth, death and marriage are news will they have to come up with code words for that? “So I spotted a Kookaburra in the tree, it looks to be about a 5 1/2 pound girl, we’re naming it Shelia!”

by Anonymousreply 3402/19/2021

[Quote] Ridiculous how OP wants us to believe it's good guys vs bad guys.

Well, well, well... Do good guys apologize, I wonder... R33?

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by Anonymousreply 3502/19/2021

It must be understood that Murdoch is behind this. He's been pushing for something to happen for years because Google/Facebook/Twitter have decimated his media empire's political influence on Australia's politics and News Corp's ability to make the huge amounts of money that he demands. Murdoch has the conservative Lib/Nat Australian government in his pocket and they jump as high as he tells them to, whenever he tells them to. He just can't die soon enough although - Lachlan Murdoch is reported to be even meaner and more conservative than his father and is behind the Sky News after dark batshit craziness...

*I don't use Facebook so I don't care if it's banned altogether in Australia. Only dummies use Facebook.

by Anonymousreply 3602/19/2021

It's like watching a warthog and a vulture fighting over the fetid corpse of journalism.

A pox on both their houses.

by Anonymousreply 3702/20/2021

OP, what's your point? Big tech is being strong-armed by big news. And the Australian gvt is facilitating it (Murdoch is Australian, big tech is American, so makes sense).

Nobody said big tech are good guys. But *you* keep pushing the idea that big news are.

by Anonymousreply 3802/20/2021

[Quote] But *you* keep pushing the idea that big news are.

That's what you say. I didn't.

Just follow it unfolding. Read and learn.

by Anonymousreply 3902/20/2021

[quote]Murdoch is Australian

No R38. He isn't. Murdoch is American. He does not hold Australian citizenship.

by Anonymousreply 4002/22/2021

You homosex always talke about butts. So post with no ass.

by Anonymousreply 4102/22/2021

R40. Murdoch was born and raised in Australia. He only gave up his Australian citizenship to meet legal requirements to own a US television network.

by Anonymousreply 4202/22/2021

Yes in 1985 R42. And he became American. He does not hold Australian citizenship no matter how much you want him to...

by Anonymousreply 4302/22/2021

Looks like the good folks at "Honest Government Advertising" have nailed it again

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by Anonymousreply 44Last Thursday at 3:43 AM

Where else is Facebook regulated or made to pay? China?

by Anonymousreply 45Last Thursday at 10:00 AM

Moar...

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by Anonymousreply 46Last Friday at 10:39 PM

Facebook should do this all over the world especially the United States.

If the contards had to type out their lies by hand instead of sharing “news stories” AKA lies that would do away with 75% of it.

by Anonymousreply 47Last Friday at 10:42 PM
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