Why did nearly 74,000,000 Americans vote for Trump?

Exit polls showed that if someone felt they are doing better off now than 4 years ago, they pretty much voted for Trump--75% of people who feel this way did. I am better off than 4 years ago but I voted for Biden. Most of these people are deluded and/or selfish and that's it. These Trump people really believe everything they read on Breitbart, Fox, Alex Jones, etc. There wer some people who voted for Trump due to the Dems foolish "defund the police" campaign. That is a big reason Biden lost with Tejanos, Venezuelans and Cubans.

Some are racist cunts.

R2. yes, that too.

r1 exit polls don't matter since most ballots were mail in. Literally that's the excuse for those who always vote republican. But not that of democrats and majority independents.

R4, but Biden won the vast majority of Dems and (I think) 2/3rds of Independents, right? I do think defund the police was a horrible and misguided slogan that should have NEVER been used.

OP- This is something I think about every day. That nearly 1/2 of this country VOTED FOR THIS GUY! But then I try to remember that 1/2 didn't. But it's not enough. It has revealed to me that people are terrible. And what's worse- a few people I follow on Youtube- a psychic, a new age type guru, self help type folks- one of them has a million + followers- I have been on their livestreams where you can read people's comments- and the amount of Trump supporters on their chats absolutely astounds me. I have a new perception on life and the world due to the last 4 years and I am making a point to try to find some way to do good for others. It is all that I can do.

Money and self interest.

I am inclined to believe Dump cheated but to no avail.

Before Covid hit

His base felt Trump lowered taxes, the economy was good (in their minds) and kept Government OUT of their business

that is good enough for them - everything else is just noise

In addition more and more America's don't watch the news or read a newspaper - they get their news from Facebook - which is filled with lies, conspiracy theories and pro-Trump messaging

So the problem is Propaganda

Religion. Same answer to the question, Why do so many Americans give money to televangelists who scam them?

Why would anyone trust exit polls which are far more inaccurate than pre-election polling.

And we all know how accurate that turned out to be.

They absolutely loathed Hillary, and Obama was black. People keep overrating the reason and learnedeness of 3/4 of the American people. They are really really are ignorant and/or stupid.

[quote] This is something I think about every day. That nearly 1/2 of this country VOTED FOR THIS GUY! But then I try to remember that 1/2 didn't.

As a minority in America, I can't express what it felt like to see the early results in some states. My heart sank and I felt really hopeless. It just blew my mind that people didn't care about children in cages, black people being treated like shit, healthcare workers working to death (literally), their neighbors and families dying, etc. They only cared about their stupid money and "making America great again".

It is largely because of a term that conservatives love to use, low information voters. Trump tells a lie, Fox, OAN, Newsmax, Brietbart, Alex Jones repeat those lies and the Trump cult followers have the Trump lie confirmed. Even my local channel that tries pretty hard to be middle of the road sometimes reports Trump's lies without reporting the truth and since people hear the lie on the trusted local channel they figure it must be the truth. Add in racism, religion, that they think Democrats are Godless communists, bingo you have a Trump cult follower.

I know a few who really really do not like or trust AOC, Ohmer, and the rest of the squad as one reason. They feel they represent a segment of America who choose not to work and that socialism should take care of them with higher taxes on the rest of the country. FOX is very convincing. The BLM riots and Defund the police were also mentioned as reasons they stuck with the Rep party. I know one person who voted for Biden but no other Dem because of the reasons I mentioned above. The people I mentioned above all own their own homes with liquid assets greater than $100k and total assets half million on the average. They are fearful of more taxation.

[quote]ALL are racist cunts.

Fixed.

And that includes the non-white shits who voted for him. If you think Trump isn't a racist or bigot, it's because you yourself are one and think it doesn't count as racism/bigotry when his hate is targeted at those you think deserve to be hated.

Isn't that what the fiasco with the Post Office was all about, R8?

A decent percentage of them are people who can't work from home and were convinced that Biden would shut down their states and they'd be unemployed and broke and that was priority #1

I guess others figured that so long as their paycheck went up pre-Covid, it didn't matter much what Trump tweeted, it mostly seemed to bother "snooty rich people."

And they figured that all politicians are sleazy and corrupt (they believe this about the Clintons) and Trump was just not as careful to cover up his corruption

[quote] People keep overrating the reason and learnedeness of 3/4 of the American people. They are really really are ignorant and/or stupid.

Seems like they did it more out of spite and hatred, rather than ignorance or stupidity.

Trump voters are incredibly SPITEFUL. It's fucking scary.

Mental Illness.

They are sheep, expertly trained by fascist media (Sinclair, OANN, Newsmax, and Fox). Talk to most of them and they will repeat (sometimes verbatim per intelligence experts speaking in the media) GRU talking points from official disinformation campaigns. The Trumptard Nation essentially functions as a cult. Doubt me? Talk to any of them about “The Steal,” or about COVID. All hyperbole aside, it is astounding and scary as hell. A serious threat to national security.

All of my friends that voted Trump said that the Black Lives Matter movement was the reason.

Greed

Fear

Racism

Guns

Abortion

One example is a teamster I work with who said he voted for Trump because he likes what is happening in the financial industry. He's retiring in two years and he wants his investments to stay nic and fat.

He's a registered Republican but he votes for which ever candidate he likes. Says he voted for Clinton twice.

Incumbents always have a huge edge. People don't adjust to change well.

(and I guess some feel the pandemic wasn't his fault since it is happening in other countries too.)

Because 74,000,000 Americans are stupid enough to vote for a "populist," a "populist" born with a silver spoon in his mouth, a "populist" who has never done an honest day of physical work in his life, a "populist" born and raised in that most populist of cities, New York City, a "populist" who went to an Ivy League school, a "populist" and formidable businessman who went bankrupt three times, a "populist" who considers anyone with a net worth south of 10 million dollars a dirtball scumbag, a populist who hates socialism, despite being bailed out of numerous jams by his father, his bankers and his lawyers.

And R22, your friends are racist pieces of shit just like "populist" Trump.

Normally in a presidential election year when the president elect is a Democrat, they usually also don't lose seats. Yes they won one more Senate seat than the Republicans but lost House seats and many state legislatures and governorships.

[quote] All of my friends that voted Trump said that the Black Lives Matter movement was the reason.

So they are racists?

R13- Thank you. 1/2 of this country voted for a cabinet of racists, homophobes, and xenophobes. This race never should have been this close. After the last 4 years, much less the last 6 months... And I do think religion and racism play a huge part in his base- and huge part of what this country REALLY is. And I now officially 100% believe the whole "closet Trump voter" thing. There were a lot of them. It's a fucked up world. But maybe we were supposed to realize this so more of us try to make some kind of change. I really do not know. And the amount of FEMALE Trump supporters really blows my mind.

R1 The Dems didn’t have a foolish "defund the police" campaign.However, the Republicans made it sound like they did. The Democrats lose because they don’t understand perception in messaging. They don’t know how to explain to middle America to the Midwest and South their policies. This is one reason why the Democratic Party can no longer be run by the coasts.

The Democrats used to be the we’re going to keep food on your table party. Now we’re the transgendered pronoun party.

R21- As recently as last night, I was following a chat with one of my aforementioned Youtube channels- and the these fuckers talking about the stolen election and that Trump will be inaugurated- It was fucked beyond belief and it really drove home the enormity of the destruction of this country's collective mind and how fucking stupid people are.

Who cares? He lost and they lost.

Did the Republicans ever spend all of this time and print-space wondering why 65 million Americans voted Hillary and how they could better understand them?

Here are the Trump voters:

1) Republicans who always vote for the republican, regardless

2) The Rallies Crowd (these are the people are go to his rallies and stuff and are stans)

3) The Deplorables -- Racist/Sexist/Homophobic/Xenophobic/Fringe Crowd (He speaks to them on their level and validates them)

4) White people who got scared of the protests and thought that we went a little overboard after George Floyd

5) The economy people. They genuinely think that Trump and (most republicans) are just better with the economy

6) The power of incumbency crowd. These are the people who don't want to change course after 4 years and thing a president deserve 8 years to do his thing.

7) The people who genuinely believe that democrats loathe white people and are destined to take this country into some kind of socialistic. progressive, hellhole where the blacks, the gays, and the trans and the tree hugging millenials are just running wild and having a bad influence on their children.

8) White evangelicals

Sadly, a lot of these people are GenXers (I'm a GenXer) which means that the Trump brand of crazy is not going away any time soon.

[quote] The Dems didn’t have a foolish "defund the police" campaign.

But they did though--and that wasn't just republican messaging. Defund the police is foolish because "defund" literally means to cease funding. Most people do not and will not agree to that. But that's now what many on the left meant by the term--they meant use police funding in other areas (education, healthcare, etc.). Those are two totally different things and it's no wonder some people were turned off.

R33, aren't #2 and #3 the same?

Because... for starters.... freedom of thought? Do you not fight to have Trump voters and Biden voters live safely and happily, gun in arm?

What exactly do you want? 100% of people think just the same as you do? Please find a way to be peaceful. Sounds like you fucking WON and now have a ranting detox ahead of you. Focus it on something positive. Just one thing! Pick!

And then there is the group who just get tired of being made to feel bad for not falling in line with stupid shit. Latinx. Cancel culture. Not being able to call a master bedroom a master bedroom because it has master in the title. Removing Gone with the Wind. The whole pronoun and gender bullshit. #Metoo. The woman power thing. Supporting sex workers. Maybe a lot of those people are stuck in the past and on the wrong side of history, but forcing them to get on board a train they're not ready for is just making them angry.

R37, Trumptards have been bitching and ranting for about five years, and now that they've lost -- oh well, it's all just a little bit too much for their delicate snowflake feelings and sensitivities. Those dipshits can go straight to hell where they belong.

QAnon played a not insignificant role too.

Um, there were only two real choices. What are they supposed to do, write-in Jesus? The election is a game and people want to "play".

The angry old white people are dying-out. Each year their percentage should shrink. But each year, Republicans will find new and better ways to cheat.

[quote] Um, there were only two real choices...

Right, there were only two choices which should have made it very, very easy. Yet people still voted for Trump in huge numbers even though the other candidate was so much better in every conceivable way. They shoud voted for Biden. But they didn't.

Excellent thread. Great list R33, I would add some of the moveable middle who are just fed up with all the PC crapola. They are not bad, or hateful people. In their words, they are “tired of being told what to think.”

How many of these 74 mill will be dead in another four years?

Lies and propaganda.

Next question.

I've always said about 90% of people on the planet are shit. They just are.

So many more people voted. I was looking at the totals Clinton and Reagan won with only about 45 million votes. (and they were considered very popular candidates which Biden and Trump really weren't)

Has the population really grown that much in 20 years?

Folks with money and greed for more money are always going to vote Republican. They only care about the color green. Other less fortunate folks who are racist and dumb are going to vote Republican for their fears being used against them.

[Bold] I've been saying this for decades!!!! Americans are the dumbest cunts on the planet!!!! End of thread!!!!!

No, I've been saying that, and you know it.

[quote] So many more people voted. I was looking at the totals Clinton and Reagan won with only about 45 million votes. (and they were considered very popular candidates which Biden and Trump really weren't)

[quote] Has the population really grown that much in 20 years?

This year was extraordinary in terms of voting.

74 million for Trump + 80 million for Biden.

That's 154,000,000 votes.

There are only 330,000,000 people in the U.S., which means that nearly HALF of the total population of the United States voted.

Considering that 74.2 million Americans are under 18 and can't vote, that means that about 110,000,000 eligible voters did not vote.

Compared to previous years, that's pretty good.

I think that mail-in voting had a lot to do with it.

He appealed to a segment of the population that believe in a hamstrung government with limited power. This is quite interesting since many of these same individuals just love their Medicare and Social Security benefits.

Because the, Democratic Party abandoned them. Thread closed.

Trump and his presidency were all about racists and racism. Everything had a racist edge to it. He descended the golden escalator braying about race, he screeched racist rants for four years, and he exits blaming his loss on racist tropes (as in, all the black places cheated).

The sad thing is that so many people felt comfortable with it.

Yes, R53, all 74 million were all Democrats until Democrats did Democratic things.

1. Racism

2. Grievance

3. Racism

4. Camp (worth the read, if you haven't. Who'd a thunk Susan Sontag could explain Trump to me)

60 million of those votes probably just go to whoever the republican is.

That is how many McCain and Romney the last two republicans got.

R51 - people under 35 didn't vote. More than half of them sat it out again. Every other age demographic outvoted them by large margins.

All this talk and moaning, but they just don't vote.

I just keep thinking how depondent and hopeless I'd feel if Trump had won. Instead, it's like a doctor telling you that you're now cancer-free.

Thanks to each and every one of you who made him go away.

R55 since 1980. Knowledge of history is important.

R55 since 1980. Knowledge of history is important.

Saying it twice doesn't make it any more true, R53.

Seriously this is part of the issue. Let other people live as they choose. They sit there saying the same about you for voting Biden. So either be set into a permanent impasse, or try to be loving not fearful.

[quote]Why did nearly 74,000,000 Americans vote for Trump?

Simple answer...they didn't.

The Repugs (through Russia) hacked the same-day, in-person voting...again. Do you really believe Graham's and McConnell's numbers? Really?

Don't read my post again r55. Read your political history Cecily.

[quote] Let other people live as they choose.

Republicans sure as hell don't let other people 'live as they choose.' They're the exact opposite of that. They've been actively trying to control, intrude on, stomp over, and harm other people's lives for decades.

And then on top of that, they have the damn nerve to expect you to embrace them and pretend that everything is just peachy-keen with their disgusting politics? Seriously -- fuck them.

The 74 million are also inherently. Trump represents harking back to the 1950s before those pesky minorities started demanding rights. The Latinos that voted for him see whiteness as a goal for themselves on top of Trump reminding them of a macho strongman type that they were used to in their countries.

Inherently what, R67?

Three profound changes are occurring: 1) White people are becoming the minority, 2) women are no longer subordinate to men, and 3) economic opportunities for people who are not well-educated are vanishing. These changes put a lot if stress on the white working-class men and their families. They feel their country is being taken from them.

Trump doesn’t talk down to them. He sounds like one of them. He tells them he will turn back the clock. That’s a powerful balm to anxious people.

At the same time, the Democrats are the party of minorities and elites. They welcome the changes, and want to accelerate them.

Politics has become about identity, not policies. You vote for your team no matter what.

I agree with you R69, but I find it surprising that American voters should be so evenly split, that all of our elections end up being nail-biters.

You would think that in this day and age, there would be a greater shift towards the Democratic Party.

Yet our country has remained almost evenly divided 50/50, since the Civil War.

That's so odd.

Whatever happened to keeping who you were voting for private and making the candidates actually work for the people? Bit late now for this convo but valid. If they had no idea if they were getting your vote, maybe they would actually have to do something to ensure their win. Not just be "Not Trump"....

Because many of them are simply halfwits

[quote] Trump represents harking back to the 1950s

R67, I agree with your post, but the sad thing is that these people don't even remember the 1950s! They weren't even around, or if they were, they were children. They, themselves, have no experience or concept of this supposed utopia that they want to return to.

They were just jealous of my beauty.

[quote] Three profound changes are occurring: 1) White people are becoming the minority, 2) women are no longer subordinate to men, and 3) economic opportunities for people who are not well-educated are vanishing. These changes put a lot if stress on the white working-class men and their families. They feel their country is being taken from them.

How disingenuous to imply that these changes affect only men or even only people who are working class. These shifts are occurring across different minorities and among those making much higher wages than their parents. However, saying as much is not as attractive to the base as simply casting everyone who votes a certain way racist misogynists.

[quote] Trump doesn’t talk down to them. He sounds like one of them. He tells them he will turn back the clock. That’s a powerful balm to anxious people.

Why should any politician talk down to people?

[quote] At the same time, the Democrats are the party of minorities and elites. They welcome the changes, and want to accelerate them.

Accelerate what? Income inequality?

[quote] Why should any politician talk down to people?

Ask Trump. He talks down to American people every day on Twitter.

....

It is the dumbing down of America that has finally turned the tides.

This is something the wealthy and Reps have been working toward for decades.

Like Carlin said, “Governments don't want a population capable of critical thinking, they want obedient workers, people just smart enough to run the machines and just dumb enough to passively accept their situation.”

Many people who vote for the GOP are voting against the Democrats. They've reviewed the Democrats' agenda and have decided they don't want that for the country. People who voted for Trump the man, like working class voters. believed that he cared about their situation and what they wanted and they didn't get that from anyone else, certainly not the Establishment. Also, there is a strong streak of anti-elitism in the country, which works against the Democrats.

The stereotypical positions of Democrats, embracing open borders, open restrooms, the destruction of history and monuments, the supporting of riots and looting, and reducing the police, are not policies that working class people see as the top issues or positions they embrace.

[quote] Also, there is a strong streak of anti-elitism in the country,

Naturally, the answer against elitism is to vote for a man who grew up filthy rich from NYC, privileged, never worked one single day of hard labor in his life, had a daddy who paid everything for him, has probably never even lifted a heavy package, and who, himself, has no concept of life outside of his tacky mansions and properties.

r80, it was clear to the electorate that the elites in power completely rejected Trump, so despite his money, he certainly is not part of the governing elite.

[quote] it was clear to the electorate that the elites in power completely rejected Trump, so despite his money, he certainly is not part of the governing elite.

Oh, yeah, uh-huh, sure. Which elites in power have completely rejected him? Was it the stinking rich Murdoch/FOX News who started kissing his ass right away? Or Mitch Moneybags McConnell and the other Republican toadies who've enabled him and voted lockstep with Trump?

R79, you are so full of shit. When people are asked about individual policies, without attaching a party to them, the Democratic positions win hands down every time by a large margin.

Republican voters are just dumb people who like the fact that they can wear a red hat and chant 'Lock her up!" and feel like they are part of a team. Fucking morons who have consistently voted against their own self-interest for decades. Low IQ imbeciles who should be treated with absolute contempt until they show even one little spark of intelligence or curiosity that would differentiate them from a monkey who pushes whatever button they are told to push by whatever the monkey equivalent is to Fox News.

Poor Trumpers. I fear they suffer from a bad case of Biden Derangement Syndrome!

Dems really need to let the pro-immigration meme go - just lose it. No matter what we do for them, many will vote Republican. This could be due to many reasons. They might be against abortion due to who knows what, but Dems are coming out of the box by being DACA FIRST. This does not go over well for many longstanding citizens. It makes no sense since many feel they are taking their jobs and are a burden on social services.

They fell for the socialism/defunding police BS.

My stock is already so much better since Biden won. It was a roller coaster for 4 years with not much actual gain.

Bigger question is what will happen in 2022? Will Nancy be in the minority? Will Mitch be stronger than ever? If that happens, just saying everyone who voted Rep are all simply stupid and racist will be not helpful. Dems need to figure out the disconnect and connect back to these people or suffer the consequences. Maybe making AOC the face of the party will do the job or maybe she should be cut loose entirely, Dems need to figure all of this out.

You can sort of understand why white working class voters are turned off from Democrats, a party they see catering to "people who think they're better than us" (e..g, the educated coastal white collar elite) and favoring minorities in a way that will allow them to overtake the white working class .

That's a cultural thing as much as a political thing--it's still socially acceptable to mock the white working class, make redneck and guido jokes and all that.

The piece I still have trouble wrapping my head around is "why Trump?"

Is it because he seems to anger the coastal elite in ways they wish they could?

Is it because his simplistic view of the world makes sense to them?

I know many people get hung up on the fact that he is an Ivy League grad with a millionaire father, but he's sort of proof of Paul Fussell's theory than wealth and social class are unrelated--Trump is culturally very blue collar (you can take the boy out of Queens...) and maybe they pick up on that?

It's crazy though because he's a complete fraud--lost millions in real estate, was able to make some money playing a rich boss on The Apprentice and then went back to losing money after--his business sense is nil.

[quote]Dems need to figure all of this out.

It's an uphill battle as we don't have the propaganda machine the Republicans have nor can we run on fear, which works so well for them. They've got anti-abortion kooks, gun humpers, and evangelicals locked up tight. It's much harder if not impossible to get people to see the bigger picture, that they're being manipulated by billionaires to pick their pockets and suck up every penny they can, and all the cultural stuff is just bullshit that cynical GOP politicians pander to them with. I don't see how this country gets any better, and it will continue to descend by all the measures countries are judged by.

Some possibly good news: percentage-wise, most red states didn't vote for Trump in bigger numbers than they did in 2016.

The only states that went more for Trump were Arkansas, Florida and Utah.

The numbers were bigger but the percentage of voters were not, apparently.

I think a good 40 percent or so did because it was the standard choice. They always vote GOP, they always go conservative, they did it for the money.

I think there was maybe 20 percent who did it because they were hardcore Trumpers.

Cult mentality.

OP,

This may help you to understand…

Nothing wrong with being rich

I literally cannot understand it because I cannot think the way a person who would vote for Trump thinks. I just do not understand and I never will understand why people would vote for someone so incompetent, so evil, so clearly mentally compromised. I don't want to try and understand people like that, because to me they are subhuman scum and I do not want to relate to them in any way.

[quote] You can sort of understand why white working class voters are turned off from Democrats, a party they see catering to "people who think they're better than us" (e..g, the educated coastal white collar elite) and favoring minorities in a way that will allow them to overtake the white working class .

I agree with this.

I remember watching a commercial over the weekend, and the people were spewing the usual SJW/Woke language of the AOC ilk. And I thought to myself, "Who talks like this? Nobody I know."

It was a very careful, methodical, not wanting to step on anyone's toes type of flowery language sort of like people who use "Latinx."

Your typical, Middle American person does not speak like this. It's a language they don't understand, nor do they want to understand it.

If Democrats keep speaking to ALL of America this way, then that's why they are going to lose voters.

We need to go back to speaking to people in plain language. In a language that everyone can understand, and not just the Woke/Academic language of special interest groups and the educated elite.

That just won't work for us, if we want to reach the rest of the country.

We need to find candidates who speak to everyone, and not just some. I think that's why Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were so successful.

They were both able to bridge that gap. They were smart men who knew how to reach not-so-smart people.

[quote]I do think defund the police was a horrible and misguided slogan that should have NEVER been used.

Agreed. A disastrous mistake that almost cost Democrats the election, and then where would we be?

[quote]This is something I think about every day. That nearly 1/2 of this country VOTED FOR THIS GUY!

For the record, that's very far from the truth. The current U.S. population is about 330 million people. I realize many of those are too young to vote, but still, I recently read a report that only about 66 percent of those eligible to vote actually voted. True, we can probably assume that, of those who did not vote, the split between Biden and Trump would probably have been pretty much the same as it was among those who did vote. Still, bottom line, it's not accurate to say that nearly half of the country voted for Trump, it's actually a far smaller percentage. Which OF COURSE does not mean to say there is no cause for alarm, because the fact that ANYONE voted for Trump is horrifying.

Republicans vote for republicans - even if it is Trump. I know some that switched but the majority support the party.

50% mental illness both diagnosed and undiagnosed and the rest “abortion is sin!” I put the racists in the mental illness category.

It's a cult.

You see a remarkable shift happening. 2020 was the first election where a substantial number of highest income people voted for the Democrat, which is a decades long reversal. The era of Republicans being the party of the wealthy is coming to an end. Wealth disparities among the working AND middle class will become untenable by 2024 and those people will not align with the Democrats. The Republican party will no longer be the war party or the party that caters to the rich. It will become even more populist.

The piece many of you are ignoring is why Trump has a cult like following of the sort we've never seen before in American politics.

People liked FDR, JFK, Reagan, Obama, but it never reached this cult-like status where they believe every like he tells them.

[quote]And I now officially 100% believe the whole "closet Trump voter" thing.

What must it be like to have to avoid telling anyone who you voted for because you fear that many if not all of your friends will abandon you? What must that do to someone's psyche? Incredible.

[quote]Sadly, a lot of these people are GenXers (I'm a GenXer) which means that the Trump brand of crazy is not going away any time soon.

A former friend of mine is a highly intelligent, very talented, 18-year-old theater major in college -- so smart that he was skipped two grades in school, which is why he is now a college sophomore even though he's only 18. The recent election was his first time voting. Over the past several months, I naturally assumed he would be a Biden supporter, but since the election, he has listed Donald Trump as his #1 "like" on Facebook. P.S. This person is of mixed Latino and Russian descent, with a Latino surname. How horrifying is that?

That is horrifying, R104.

Is he gay, too? That makes it even worse.

[quote]The piece many of you are ignoring is why Trump has a cult like following of the sort we've never seen before in American politics. People liked FDR, JFK, Reagan, Obama, but it never reached this cult-like status where they believe every like he tells them.

Because, however you feel about any of those former Presidents, none of them had the personalities or used the methods of a fascist dictator. Any cult requires someone with that kind of personality and methods as its leader.

[quote] I just do not understand and I never will understand why people would vote for someone so incompetent, so evil, so clearly mentally compromised.

People voted against the Democrats, not necessarily for Trump. The populist movement is bigger than Trump.

Enough people voted Trump out, that is the good news. However, not enough people felt connected to Dems to give them a Senate majority or gain seats in the US House. That is the new BIG problem for the Dems. How on this earth did Susan Collins win re-election??????? Dems need to figure this out and own up to their own shortcomings even if it includes a more moderate message and hitting back against lawless looters and defund police slogans with some meaningful actions.

[quote]People voted against the Democrats, not necessarily for Trump. The populist movement is bigger than Trump.

I agree with your first sentence, but as others have pointed out in this thread, anyone who views the Republican party as "populist" is either insane, horribly ignorant, intrinsically evil, or all three.

Because they are very tired of being called “deplorables” and watching American jobs go overseas.

R109 That's why the Republicans are having a revolt in their own party. You have a situation where the GOP establishment still has considerable power, but Trump has the base.

[quote] Because they are very tired of being called “deplorables”

But ya ARE, Blanche. Ya ARE a Deplorable.

[quote] and watching American jobs go overseas.

Then they shouldn't have voted for DUMP.

He did nothing to stop it.

Just ask all the factory workers in Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. They'll tell you.

R67 R73 This notion of "returning to the 50s".... the demographic that voted by Trump by the largest % is mid-section Boomers - older voters (those that actually lived with clear memory of the 50s, voted for him by a much smaller %. Boomers - whose lives are products of the "disruptive" 60s, voted for disruption in the guise of "those peaceful days when whites were unquestionably in control." Boomer-Trumpers didn't want a return to anything (MAGA notwithstanding)... they wanted him to go in a fuck things up, disrupt things.

Disruption matched their narcissistic attention-deficit appetites.

People who votes for Trump are not so much pro GOP but anti neoliberal.

Because they are either racist or rich.

R113, thank you! Those dumbasses on social media you see 'longing for the 1950s' probably saw episodes of Happy Days or wore out their copy of Grease and want to return to an era they actually know jackshit about.

What American jobs are going overseas? This notion that manufacturing can come back in the US is pointless. We simply cannot compete. That does not mean we are losing jobs, we are losing manufacturing jobs but other jobs take their place. People are just unwilling to learn a new skill.

The “elites” are defined by intellect, not by money.

[quote] I just do not understand and I never will understand why people would vote for someone so incompetent, so evil, so clearly mentally compromised.

R96, you're right on. You're not missing a single, god-damned thing in your life by not being acquainted with these Trumpian dipshits! And yet so many people needlessly waste their time trying to rationalize/apologize for their behavior in an effort to appear 'nuanced.' It almost borders on a sort of battered wife syndrome, really.

It's 100% straight white male supremacy.... racism & sexism. 100%.

They voted for him because he gives the permission to be openly bigoted, and he hates all the same people they do.

Period.

[quote]People who votes for Trump are not so much pro GOP but anti neoliberal.

REPUBLICANS ARE NEOLIBERAL YOU FUCKTARD. Democrats are NOT "neoliberal".

One of the central tenants of neoliberalism is supporting deregulation and austerity measures. That's REPUBLICAN policy, not Democratic policy.

I second what R15 said & would add to that they want repigs in power to appoint SC judges to overturn abortion, gay marriage and any law requiring an *alleged* christian business to do something they don't want to do (the shit Graham Jr. was ranting about). Plus, I think there are more people that buy into the whole QAnon shit then you might guess...

There are 74 million morons in this country. Utter and complete garbage people.

[quote]It's an uphill battle as we don't have the propaganda machine the Republicans have...

I was watching The Roosevelts the other day and thought it would be a really good idea if Biden did something similar to the fireside chats. Maybe a bimonthly or monthly town hall. He's surprisingly good at those. Just talk to the people.

[quote]However, not enough people felt connected to Dems to give them a Senate majority or gain seats in the US House. That is the new BIG problem for the Dems. How on this earth did Susan Collins win re-election???????

The same way McConnell and Graham "won". Massive hacked same-day, in-person voting. Graham's and McConnells numbers aren't even in the realm of reality.

[quote]This notion that manufacturing can come back in the US is pointless. We simply cannot compete. That does not mean we are losing jobs, we are losing manufacturing jobs but other jobs take their place. People are just unwilling to learn a new skill.

Computer programming is now being sent to India. How much more do you want people to learn? The problem is that 'unskilled' is all that is going to remain in America outside the big ones like doctor, lawyer, etc., which not every American can or should be. What is happening in America is the creation of an upper class and the lower class that serves their needs and whims. Manufacturing certainly can come back to America but the upper class who owns manufacturing doesn't want it to. That's why the government needs to step in. To check the greed of corporate America.

Second lies and propaganda...

People who get their news from FB and Fox think COVID isn't real BLM was coming to destroy the suburbs Trump tax cut juiced their 401Ks DEMs are socialists and communists etc

Racism

NOT because Trump is some kind of mesmeric cult leader. NOT because they're more racist than they ever were. NOT because of something the Democratic party did wrong (evidently they did something very right as they won.)

It's simply because he was the Republican candidate and Republicans would vote for a tapeworm if it had an (R) next to its name on the ballot.

We can't pretend there's not a problem though.

In midcentury America when many of you were children, there was not that wide a gap between the various classes. Not just economically, but culturally--the various social classes lived in the same towns, went to the same schools, vacationed in the same places, ate the same foods, watched the same TV shows and movies, got their news from the same places.

College was relatively affordable--many DLers report working summer jobs to earn their tuition. It was easy to move up the ladder too--social mobility was fairly easy for anyone ambitious.

None of that is true anymore.

The top 15% has barricaded itself into select neighborhoods, sends its kids to select schools, dresses differently, watches different shows on TV, eats different types of food, vacations differently.

College is outrageously expensive, only the 15% are able to save for it and their children graduate without any debt,,,and land in well-paying jobs thanks to mom and dad's connections...where they only encounter other 15% kids like themselves, save for a handful of diversity hires,... while the 85%, as the DL joke goes, live in their parents basement and hold down gig economy jobs.

Their parents are barely doing any better, their well-paying union jobs disappeared, their small businesses are struggling and they watch the 15% buyijng new iPhones and Teslas and paying "college advisors" $15K to help polish their kids resumes and mocking them on just about every level--the horror over the "obesity epidemic" being one of the more obvious, along with the "opioid epidemic'

A lot of the 85% is pissed as fuck and so when a guy they know from TV tells them that he will restore them to their former glory, that he will cut those 15%ers down to size for them and find them all high paying jobs and magically remove non-white immigrants from their midst... they believe him, even if deep down they know he is lying.

R128 Although your analysis has plenty of accuracy, it doesn't completely answer the question - that is address the fact that a majority of the 15% voted for Trump. The lower you go on the economic scale, a lesser % of voters were Trumpers. We keep thinking that prime motivator is "working class left out and resenting the elites"... .this is only partial truth.

We have no idea who voted for who R129

Exit polls are markedly less accurate than pre-election polls and given what a clusterfuck the pre-election polls were this year, I would dismiss any exit polling.

Though Biden did seem to do markedly better that Clinton in the upscale suburbs where the 15% lives.

BLEAK LIVES MATTER

R130 It's become a commonplace to say "we don't know" because of polling anomalies in "exit polls".... and it's deceiving. We don't know precisely, but we know pretty well in general.

Average American income in 2016 was under $50k... average annual income of Trump voter was over $70k.

And this, from 2020....

R132 what a misleading graph. The higher the income the more likely to vote democrat. Very Poor people, when they do vote, vote democrat. Middle and upper middle class is solidly republican, much more so this year.

Actually the graph confirms what you are saying.

R134 it’s because they use 100k as the cutoff

White Supremacy remains a very potent message in 2020, particularly as minority groups grow in number and power.

I think it's a mixed bag. Some are old school republicans who truly thought Trump would "shake things up" and they were tired of the corruption and thought Trump being a non-politician would kick out the swamp critters. Others are racists and got the signal that Trumpco was friendly to their cause. Others are angry people who live in fear and suffer from ODD just like Trump does. Others are obsessed with abortion.

Because Ronal Reagan discarded President Carter’s Mental Health Systems Act.

Trump has always been in the 40-45% approval range. And, that's about the vote he got.

I'm baffled why anyone is surprised.

We liberals live in our own little bubble thinking that everyone is as appalled by his every step as we are.

R134 I think these income distribution will be a far better predictor in how people will vote in the years to come. It's not minorities as much as the race baiters on this thread try to claim or even about issues like guns. It all comes to economics and the Democrats don't have a message for working and middle class people except chiding them for their supposed racism.

What's a given is that society will become more unequal in the years to come. In California, the middle class have been gutted. Many are fleeing. Homeless tents are showing up everywhere while Newsom dines in the most expensive restaurant in the country. This hubris can't stand. However, the hollowing out of the middle class benefits Newsom and his ilk ultimately.

People who watch Fox and other “fake” media have a completely distorted sense of reality.

[quote] Democrats don't have a message for working and middle class people except

R140, what is the Republicans' great message for the working and middle-class? Would it be trying to sabotage affordable healthcare during a pandemic? Gigantic tax cuts for corporations who outsource American jobs? Resisting raising minimum wage? Trying to eliminate Social Security and Medicare? Cutting federal benefits that help poor families?

[quote]The stereotypical positions of Democrats, embracing open borders, open restrooms, the destruction of history and monuments, the supporting of riots and looting, and reducing the police, are not policies that working class people see as the top issues or positions they embrace.

Do you even know why you chose the word "stereotypical" over say, a word like "perceived" or even just leaving the word out altogether? Look at what you wrote. Democrats do not embrace open borders (Obama deported more immigrants than Bush and even Trump), the destruction of history (really? where do you get that?) and monuments (unless we're talking about monuments erected to Civil War traitors), don't support riots or looting (as Biden said, protesting is one thing, but when it becomes a riot it has crossed the line into prosecutable acts), or reducing the police (which was seized by the right as "defunding the police" when the reality is that Democrats were talking about redeploying funds away from, say, tanks and armored Humvees towards more social and mental services. I know the slogan was used by Democrats which was a mistake. On the other hand, the right has been out to defund the IRS, defund social services, defund [fill in the blank], or as Grover Norquist called it, shrinking the Federal government to the size it could be drowned in a bathtub, and no one ever took it to mean the same thing as they did "defunding the police").

But this is what the right does. They take perfectly reasonable positions and twist them into so-far-out-there ideas that no one wants to touch them, let alone admit that this is exactly what we need. Take for example, "defunding the police": the problem isn't that no one wants the police to do their jobs; we just want them to stop killing black people. Why can a white man wave his AK-47 around in a cop's face and the officer still addresses him as "sir" and empathetically requests that he put the gun down, while a black child playing with a toy gun is killed before the cop even learns it's a toy or why he's playing alone in the park? Why can a cop kneel on a man's neck until he's dead while his onlooking officer peers saying and do nothing?

You have to give it to the right. They know how to manipulate common sense reform into radical change that costs the people who are doing the right thing their power to make actual change.

It boggles the mind, that 74,000,000 people in this country saw no problem with his behavior or actions in the past four years, that they would actually give him another four.

As if he hasn't destroyed this country enough already.

That is a terrifying and sobering thought.

LOL R132

Do you not get it?

That's self-reported income based on exit polling which is notoriously inaccurate.

It's not like they scan the people they're talking to with a wand and it reveals their actual income level.

Hillbilly Elegy syndrome....Trump seems normal to most people in flyover states. AOC is out of touch with these people and is considered a dangerous socialist. She is the defund the police boogeywoman.

Trump speaks to them on a level and in a language that they understand. They can ignore his behavior and everything else, because he hates the same people they do and he annoys the same people that annoy them and who they like to annoy. He doesn't tell them to eat better. He doesn't tell them to exercise. He doesn't tell them that they have to be sensitive to other classes and cultures. He does not make them feel stupid. He doesn't say that they have to call a boy a girl. He doesn't put his pronouns on his email signature. The man likes his steak well done.

But more importantly Trump made his white supporters feel okay about being white. That they didn't have to apologize for it or feel guilty because of it and they showed up for him.

I think some of these mutherfuckers are brainwashed.

r144 Yep and I bet they still wouldn't change their vote even seeing how he behaves in the aftermath of losing.

R143 Yep, you pulled that apart and let some light in.

The "attack dog" right, and the grievance addicts that are their audience, are so much better at spinning what the other side says into things to be angry about. The left does it do (point to things opponents say as disturbing) but mostly just be reporting verbatim what the right says.

I believe the digital environment, disintegrating by its nature, feeds this.

Does anyone at DL listen to the Jimmy Dore Show?

I think you guys sometimes miss the little things he did to buttress the alternative facts. For instance, he declined his salary, so they fell justified thinking him an altruist who wanted to "drain the swamp." That he is the swamp, that his charity never made a charitable donation, that he bankrupted multiple businesses, that fraud could be his middle name, that he never released his taxes both because he cheats on them and because they expose him losing money ..... as long as they have ONE fact to cling to, he refused his salary, they won't listen to 150 facts pointing the other way.

R152 In short, he lied more than any President in our history, he lied (lies) relentlessly, and it didn't matter to 74mil. Hence the original question.

Has anyone thought that they're all in it together and the goal is to keep you fighting amongst yourselves and not actually realise you hold all the power. The real revolution will be when each side can shut up and be peaceful no matter who says they are running the show

The vote came down to the response to the corona virus. Trump convinced voters that the economy shouldn’t be shut down.

R154 "anyone" "they" "you" "who" "they are".... not really helpful.

The only real revolution is of the cell, everything else is a prison revolt. - Marat-Sade

A real answer from one of your own. A highly-educated one of your own.

1). My biggest concern is the debt that will cripple us. Neither candidate will really do anything about this, so it's a toss-up. Republicans are only marginally better. Please don't tell me the Republicans spend too much on the military: the real problem is entitlements, and see #2.

2). I want to get out of Afghanistan & Iraq -- Trump was actually trying to do that, but the military-industrial complex fought him. And I don't want to go to war in Syria -- Winkin Blinkin & Nod wants that.

3). I don't want income inequality. You can even ascribe selfish motives to me for that: I don't want rioting near me. The biggest cause of it is opening the southern border, which depresses wages, and sending manufacturing to China.

4). While I believe racism exists, it's not the reason Detroit, Baltimore, etc are what they are. Racism is a great way to obfuscate the destructive effect of 50 yrs of Democrat policies. And blaming everything on racism increases the racial divide in the country -- even here on DL we talk about it.

So have at it. I'll be planning my move to Ireland while you are planning your socialist paradise.

[quote] I'll be planning my move to Ireland while you are planning your socialist paradise.

And this Stormfront message was brought to you by....

R157 No use engaging, nor is there a reason to address your thinking. Bless you, truly. But discussing real social policy with someone who thinks like you is like discussing religion with an evangelical Pentecostal. Ideology and conditioning "others" all that disagree. Hence our current quandary.

Hoping your move is successful and all you hope it can be.

60-65 Million of those fucking cunts vote Rethug no matter what.

Pure racism. They lie to the pollsters. It comes naturally .

[quote]As long as they have ONE fact to cling to, he refused his salary, they won't listen to 150 facts pointing the other way.

Sadly, I think there's a lot of truth in this.

[quote] So have at it. I'll be planning my move to Ireland while you are planning your socialist paradise.

The Ku Klux Klan was started by Irish Americans, so you'll feel right at home there!

"Why did nearly 74,000,000 Americans vote for Trump?"

Because America is full of magical thinkers. Think of the people who aren't going to vote in Georgia because "votes don't count" since their Trump vote didn't secure a second administration for Trump.

Trump turned the Republican Party into the Cult of Trump. And since when have Americans eschewed personality cults?

These people vote against their own self interests when they do vote. And they won't vote unless they got their way all the time. Even if that way is cutting their nose to spite liberals. They think their MAGA hats and bumper stickers trigger the snowflakes. Meanwhile, us "snowflakes" think the hats just advertise the idiocy of the wearer.

"No man ever went broke overestimating the ignorance of the American public, " and "There is a fool born every minute," was said by P.T. Barnum, the Ur-Huckster of American Hucksterism. If you combine those two sayings into one person, it's Trump. Especially when you consider Trump has gone broke several times overestimating the ignorance of the American public.

Meanwhile, he's raised $120 million since he's lost the election.

Idiocy, like poverty, will always be with us.

It's biblical.

Trump is a carnival barker and a circus showman. He entertained dumb asses. Hell he made me sometimes - in the way a school kid laughs at the class cut up who is bully but yes sometimes funny in word or in deed. Also people bizarrely like pathological liars who tell bald lies over and over and over. It's an invitation and an example to people in shitty, uncomfortable circumstances to live lies themselves because it make life easier. It works like this - Trump is a lying sack of shit fake Billionaire who still gets to be President so I am at heart a lying sack of shit unchristian Christian, who gets to continue to identify as a good Christian. Thru denial and lies.

Fear. Afraid their Republican neighbors, relatives and co-workers would go online and find out they voted Democrat.

I imagine there was a lot of silent rejoicing.

The funny part is if the idiot at R157 did move to Ireland, the lack of the constant propaganda pushing lies would change his thinking for the better.

They are registered republican and they always vote republican. I don't think it's more complicated. The politically uninterested decide the election. The RNC send them mailers and they vote that way. I don't think we need to overthink this, they aren't.

there is a lot of coercion in one industry towns. voter suppression and intimidation by RNC work. this is why they keep doing it.

1) Entitlements are not the problem. The percent of non-working to working barely changed since 1947 before this crisis. The military is indeed the problem: it's a make work project that is far too expensive for what it is. We are one of the only countries in the world without natural enemies and with superabundant resources.

2)) Re nt-a-thug America has no future. If the public knew what is really done in their name, they would have all these people fired and many of them executed.

3) Trump borrowed that rhetoric from the left but he actually did nothing to pursue it.

4) Detroit and Baltimore are not poor because of Democrat policies. They are poor because their states have willed it, states having sovereignty and cities merely being their expression. It is Michigan and Maryland who caused Detroit and Baltimore and Michigan hasn't had "Democrat" government for real in fifty years.

As for "socialism" that's what capitalism IS, socialized money and credit. Anyone who tells you different is lying. I always find it interesting that these entitled morons think that "capitalism" is markets. No capitalism is a series of innovations in socializing markets to eliminate their negative features that happened to have worked.

Obama says (via trending on twitter)

Former President Barack Obama said that ‘snappy’ slogans such as ‘defund the police’ can alienate people and lose audiences during a soon-to-be-released interview on the Snapchat original show Good Luck America

R151 Yup!

I think we need to send these rich-ass republicans to somalia, toughen them up, so they are not so threaten by budget terminology.

Lots of good observations here... and I think a lot of it comes down to single-issue voters, mostly $$$ or the Christian talibangelicals. That lot plus racists is a lot of people -- and they vote their asses off.

That aside, too much Dem messaging is teh suk.

Trump voters are the [italic] Idiocracy [/italic] that America is becoming. I’m not sure that it can be stopped.

There's a substantial part of the country that has been losing out for decades. They're the former middle class who used to have good factory jobs, until those jobs disappeared. Politicians since the 90s have been paying lip service to these people, but nothing has changed. Or it has gotten worse. So they're angry. Trump channels that anger.

Deep down they know that Trump is doing nothing to help them, but maybe now some of those ”elites" will hurt too.

A vote for Trump was a vote to make other people suffer.

[quote]A vote for Trump was a vote to make other people suffer.

Yes this is definitely one of the main reasons to vote for Dump.

They watch Fox brought to you by the Murdochs. ..

Because they hate the Democrats for pretending to care but never, not once doing a damn thing that improved their lives.

They have to get off their fat asses and do something to facilitate improving their lives too R179. Nobody is just gonna hand out "better lives" on a platter.

But most of them are too lazy and are just looking to blame and be handed stuff.

[quote]They are registered republican and they always vote republican. I don't think it's more complicated.

In this election, though, they didn't. Almost every red state moved away from Trump, percentage wise. He got a larger number of votes but he got a lower percentage, sometimes by a pretty significant amount.

Trump's terrible job as president plus the encouragement of the Lincoln Project ads made millions of Repugs come out and vote AGAINST Trump... but then they voted for Repugs downballot, which is why Repugs overperformed in other races besides the presidential one.

So we know that there is a percentage of Republicans who actually will vote Democrat or not vote at all, if things get bad enough.

The reason why joe biden won is register republicans voted for Joe Biden too. This is the only explanation. Many of the swing voters, that are disenchanted by politics that voted for Trump in 2016, swung back and voted for Biden in 2020.

It's become an existential fight for survival to 'non-educated white males'. They think they lost their birthright privileges to women and minorities. One may not need to look any further than the opioid crises and fentanyl suicides to detect their desperation.

To put it simply, 74 million people who voted for Trump are filled with hate. They love Trump because he's a hater just like them. Trump tells them what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. He feeds their hatred.

R157 Yeah! That's what i said!

You!!

[quote]What exactly do you want? 100% of people think just the same as you do? Please find a way to be peaceful. Sounds like you fucking WON and now have a ranting detox ahead of you. Focus it on something positive.

Strong words from a guy who has been spamming the board with his rightwing nonsense. Put you on ignore and quickly realized all you do is talk about Jimmy Dore, how much blacks suck, how much trans suck, how great Brexit is, and that "Democrats should be nice to Trumpsters and try to live in peace" crap -- it's just alt-right propaganda.

No idea why, but nearly every time someone says "you're so negative, stop ranting" they've posted 1000 rants themselves over the last week.

The white working class feels helpless as per R176

Trump gave them false hope which is better than no hope

They heard the Democrats talking abut BLM and Defund the Police and decided that they were going to be ignored again

They are scared and angry because the white upper middle classes seem to be doing so much better, regardless of who is in power, cities (pre-Covid) were booming and they are being left behind.

Trump told them they wouldn't be.

Biden told them that too, but the media they consume (Fox) ignored Biden and focused instead on AOC and BLM and Defund the Police.

(and FWIW, a certain Barack Obama commented yesterday that "defund the police" was a pretty dumb slogan, something to the effect of "you can try and convince the people who don't support you to go along with your ideas or you can try and convince your friends who already think like you that you're very clever."

Which perfectly summed up my issues with the Twitter Left.

R186 I like to stretch my bitch muscles here about once every 5 years. See how everyone is going with their responses. I didnt however, say anything "anti-black" or anything about Democrats or Brexit and asked one question about Jimmy. Go stalk someone else

Stalin said western democracies were a sham because no local politican dared challenge dictatorship by the local police. And here Republicans tried to prove him right. In cas eyou haven't been paying attention, while private sector pensions were gutted or eliminated in favor of the too-little 401K, public pensions have grown, and nowhere more than in the police under republicans. The idea is that police would be paid so well they would IDENTIFY with the upper middle class. And it worked.

Lots of people run on high-drama and spite. They also think he is “for America”. I live in Michigan and see and hear it firsthand. When I ask them to expand on why they think that, they stammer and wave me off. So, yes. Mental illness. Cognitive decline in senior citizens. People addicted to social media who are not mentally equipped to navigate it. And they hate millenialls and younger, hence, spite. They also “hate politicians.” They hate how democrats sent their jobs oversees. They buy what he sells, just like Joel Olsteen and the like. Voilà.

R 187 is completely spot-on.

[quote] what is the Republicans' great message for the working and middle-class? Would it be trying to sabotage affordable healthcare during a pandemic? Gigantic tax cuts for corporations who outsource American jobs? Resisting raising minimum wage? Trying to eliminate Social Security and Medicare? Cutting federal benefits that help poor families?

What's the Democrats plan to reign in spending? The Green New Deal will cost thousands of Americans jobs while increasing energy prices for the average consumer. How can you address the minimum wage without addressing the cost of living that differs from state to state. How does raising taxes on the middle class helpful during a pandemic? Why are you so concerned with outsourcing when you didn't care about trade imbalances? How much of those federal benefits actually prioritize American citizens?

R179 Social security, unemployment, medicare, 40 hr work week, free public schools.... yeah, not one damn thing.

Yes, need a recount of LG's votes in SC.

[quote]Because they hate the Democrats for pretending to care but never, not once doing a damn thing that improved their lives.

The Democrats would long ago have done a great deal to improve their lives if only through universal health care, but we all know who prevented that. You asshole.

People can't resist pressing buttons. Remember on The Millionaire when contestants would ask for help from the audience? And the results were roughly 25% for all four choices? No one knew the answer, but they just wanted to play.

How long have Fox News and Rush Limbaugh been on the air? Not hard to turn a populace insane. Ask Germany.

[quote] They heard the Democrats talking abut BLM and Defund the Police and decided that they were going to be ignored again

I hate the Twitter left but I am really tired of hearing this "woe is me!" dribbel from working class white people. These people don't want to be paid attention to, they want to be CODDLED. I sympathize with working class people who were turned off by defund the police, AOC, Bernie, etc. But I have no sympathy for most of the ones who did vote Trump. They are just upset that the 50s and 60s are never coming back. They will never again have the ability to have a good middle class life with just a high school degree. The fact that some of these people really thought Trump would bring coal jobs--yes, coal jobs--back to parts of america shows you how desperate and dumb they are.

You're all wrong. In 2016 the poor white working class voted for Hillary. Trump's supporters were the courthouse crowd, the small businessman, the rural people and the suburban middle class. That coalition was obviously vulnerable, because one part of it, white suburban women who are middle class, had a negative feeling about Trump. personally. He got more votes this time among the working class because dumbass people like Cuomo and Newsome didn't even think about them when planning shutdowns. The public health profession is a manifest failure and needs to be gutted and rebuilt.

R200 My car is having a hard time starting!

It's because I need new tires!

Yes we do know who prevented this R196, Nancy Pelosi asshole.

R193Social security, unemployment, medicare, 40 hr work week, free public schools.... yeah, not one damn thing.

Ah But Clinton sent their jobs overseas so now their workweek is over 8 hours between three part time minimum wage jobs. Their unemployment and social security are woefully inadequate.

Shitty public schools, really?

It's a cult. Most probably know it's all bullshit and that they've been conned. But they would never admit it, because then they'd have to admit they are stupid. The white trash crowds found their hero.

Given the fact that he could mobilize that many people, I'm afraid the GOP from now on will always run people like that. GOP benefits from division and hatred.

I'll take a stab at it.

Some Republicans I know believe abortion is murdering babies. They don't think anything is more important than that.

Some believe that most white Democrats are not pious evangelical Christians, which is what everybody should be. They don't like atheists, agnostics, or unreligious people and think they are doing what God wants them to do. They also don't like Jews, Catholics, and lord have mercy, they hate Muslims, almost as much as they hate atheists or pagans. (didn't used to be true - I think 9-11 changed that situation)

They have very racist or ethnocentric views - they associate African Americans with gangs, crime, never-married mothers having babies out of wedlock - they think they're either lazy or not very bright and ought to "stay in their place." They think Catholics are heretics who worship statues and the Pope; they think America should be run by middle or upper-class WASPs because that's what the "founding fathers" were - or maybe it's what God wants, oh some shit like that. They think gays are straying from God's "law" - and uppity women as well (they're meant to be "helpmates" for men or some such)

The "work ethic" is a big deal and they think a lot of people are lazy and take advantage of government programs that workers pay for with their taxes. They don't like the idea of universal healthcare because needing insurance makes people try harder in school and at their jobs in order to get it, so it's a disincentive to keeping a job. (ditto food stamps, Section 8, etc., and they think many if not most people lie when they go on disability benefits so they're mad about that too)

Anyhow, they're brainwashed religious nuts who are often hall-monitor types -- OR conmen or cynical rich people who ally themselves with these dopey racist religionists because it keeps them very wealthy.

Maybe most importantly, they want to fit in in their family and peer-group and not be ostracized (the tribal thing.) Group think - it's too scary to think for yourself.

What is the :"courthouse crowd"?

Lawyers and judges?

Felons?

Nonsense R205. They are all for murdering babies who exist due to fertility drugs. Ask them. They are all for murdering babies who have just been born, especially those born in Muslim countries. You are not playing in the field of reality.

Muslims voted 70% for GW Bush in 2000.

People are lazy, especially the rich, but they have never been for inheritance taxes to force the children of the rich to work, or progressive taxes to make the rich keep working. In other words, they are lazy worthless liars, all of them when they speak of the "work ethic"

Anyway, the question is, how did they move from being told how to vote by authority figures in their community or family, to being told by a ragtag, semiliterate collection of grifters and grafters? First they had to be taught to hate others in our society and then they were moved to vote for anyone not supported by those people. That way the grifters and grafters didn't have to establish credibility, they just had to occupy a useful space.

And who in our society has been preaching hate for fifty years, telling people that the enemy is their neighbor, not some Communist or Religious Fanatic across the ocean?

Television news. And I don't mean Fox News, which has only been in this game for thirty years. Television news as monopolized and bastardized by the CIA. It's the intelligence "community" which created this nation of brainwashed freaks, in clear violation of their legal authority.

It’s kind of crazy to think that only three federal Republicans (Trump, Cory Gardner, and Martha McSally) lost re-election. Not a single House Republican lost re-election.

The whole thing was quite strange. Trump also got millions more votes than the first time which surprised me.

R209, because they fucking cheated. They didn't cheat enough in the presidential and went overboard down ticket because they didn't realize so many would split their tickets against Trump. Graham and McConnell's numbers are insanely unrealistic. I honestly think that one of the reasons the Repugs are going along with the Trump shitshow right now is that it is cover against anyone looking too closely at the cheating the Repugs actually did.

That all changes on January 20th. The new Attorney General better do his or her fucking job and Biden better not kumbaya this shit onto some moral high ground, we go high back burner!

R211 is 100% right. I have been saying the same thing since election night (and speculating the same before the election occurred). It's ridiculous just like Dump's first "win" in 2016. That was an obvious cheating job - just enough votes in just the right places and again not following polls who were next to spot on until Dump showed up. The "silent majority secret voters" boil down to someone throwing out votes last minute or adding phantom ones (same outcome at the end of the day). How they did it - well, hopefully the new administration will find that out. Because we have to STOP it before 2022, much less 2024. Whether or not they end up paying for their cheating will be interesting and these days I have learned not to hold my breath. But it has to be stopped ASAP.

[quote]I honestly think that one of the reasons the Repugs are going along with the Trump shitshow right now is that it is cover against anyone looking too closely at the cheating the Repugs actually did.

That's the problem with Democrats. You said it. McConnell/Graham votes were ridiculously high. Why do Reps get to scream about rigged elections and file frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit, yet Dems don't look into legitimate voting issues?

R210 There were more votes in total in this election than ever in history. Folks (quite correctly) are appalled that he got 74mil, but his percentage of the total was under what Romney got in 2012.

This focus on the actual number, and not the percentage, is chicken-littlish.

It is still unimaginable to me that 74M people wanted 4 more years of this nonsense. Ridiculous.

It’s only unfathomable if you don’t live in the heartland of America.

Blue staters just can’t understand how wildly popular Trump’s culture war is in half of America

[quote]It's a cult. Most probably know it's all bullshit and that they've been conned. But they would never admit it, because then they'd have to admit they are stupid.

I think that's a large part of the problem. People get suckered into cults for whatever reason, then at least some of them eventually begin to see through the bullshit -- but, by that point, they're so far in that they feel they can't get out, because then they would have to admit they were foolish and brainwashed. So they just double down on their adherence to the cult and try not to think about the bullshit.

The fact that it's so extremely difficult to lave a cult gives me all the more admiration for people like Leah Remini and others in their noble efforts to discredit Scientology.

[quote]It’s only unfathomable if you don’t live in the heartland of America.

Well, those arteries are clogged with hate, selfishness, prejudice and ignorance.

[quote] Why did nearly 74,000,000 Americans vote for Trump? Be honest. And don't say mental illness.

My goodness you're bossy.

They have tiny brains just like their leader.

The Deplorables will choke-back their vomit and support Don Jr. Just to hear the name "Donald Trump" again, a sort of resurrection of their dreams.

In re: cheating. Chuck Hagel owned ES&S when he was elected to the Senate, and a few years later he got the second highest plurality of any candidate for Senate ever despite being a non-descript asshole and condoner of terrorism and massacre. Let's face it, their electronic cheating has been going on for DECADES.

by owned I meant had a $5 million investment in, which he divested...... so they pretend.

R15 and R33 nail it. You both get a gold star.

I like R33 because its representative of how Trump widely broadcasts messages. People are inclined to hear the parts that appeal to them. And the media they consume tends to curate the clips that would appeal to them (or else why would they be consuming that media?)

So he talks for 45 minutes, CNN/MSNBC play the most batshit parts, Fox plays the fiscal conservative message parts, OAN/Newsmax play the wingnut parts, etc.

There is a thought process that has really taken hold in the Republican party/Fox News sphere that is based on the Mitt Romney 47% speech. Maybe it was always a part of their thought process. But they really believe there are a certain percentage of people who live off the government and voting Republican protects their assets.

Trump's father made his money on subsidized housing projects. Trump is a welfare queen.

The Federalist Jan 23, 1792

"In every political society, parties are unavoidable. A difference of interests, real or supposed, is the most natural and fruitful source of them. The great object should be to combat the evil: 1. By establishing a political equality among all. 2. By withholding unnecessary opportunities from a few, to increase the inequality of property, by an immoderate, and especially an unmerited, accumulation of riches. 3. By the silent operation of laws, which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigence towards a state of comfort. 4. By abstaining from measures which operate differently on different interests, and particularly such as favor one interest at the expense of another. 5. By making one party a check on the other, so far as the existence of parties cannot be prevented, nor their views accommodated. If this is not the language of reason, it is that of republicanism."

This is the lesson we have not heeded. We have let Republicans lie about the founders and pretend they were on the GOP side when in fact, the need for a welfare state for POLITICAL not just ECONOMIC reasons was acknowledged by them.

The increase of wealth inequality has led to an increase of violent faction, just as the Founding Fathers would have predicted. Theg existence of especially UNMERITED wealth by someone like Trump, has done even worse. It has destroyed the national work ethic and reduced the value of money.

@Elections_Daily 1. Biden lost share in Boston, NYC (all 5 boroughs), SF, LA, Miami, Philly, Chicago, Cleveland, Atlanta, & Detroit.

2. But Biden gained share in suburbs of big cities in GA, PA, WI, MI, AZ.

3. And Biden lost share among POC to Trump, but gained % of white men.

And it has led to uncompromising winner take all, the ends justify the means, anti-American behavior by a significant fraction of the people who go by the name of Republicans

[quote] Trump is a welfare queen.

Yes, I guess in a sense. But more a slumlord.

A question for the Democrats. Would you vote for a viable third party? It's so odd to me that people will die on the Democratic hill after so many failures.

BREAKING: Trump raises $495 million since mid-October, including a massive haul fueled by misleading appeals about election fraud

No one would have imagined 5 years ago that democratic margins in Queens and Bronx will drop 15% and increase 10% in Long Island, Westchester.

[quote] Would you vote for a viable third party?

There is no viable third party. Hence why most of us vote Democrat. The Green and Libertarian parties are both shit.

I can see the Republican Party fracturing into two or more parties. It will be a mess pasting together existing factions of the party: the Trumpistas, the Lincoln Project Republicans, Q-anon, Tea Partiers, the Religious Right, Proud Boys, and all the other crazies.

R232 - I assume that you are a Republican, so ask yourself the same question. "after so many failures" = every GOP administration from Bush #1 to Dubya to Trump. I don't have time to go back to decades before 1980 and I won't argue the massive faults of Reagan here, so let's just focus on those that came after. Each and every GOP President drove us into deep economic recession and a massive federal deficit. The President that came after had to bail them and the country out EVERY SINGLE TIME. If that isn't the failure of Republicans, I don't know what is.

[quote]Would you vote for a viable third party?

If the sane people from the Democratic Party and the Republican Party merged into some kind of moderate party, I would vote for it. But I don't see that happening and so far the Democratic Party is doing a reasonable job of keeping the give me free stuff crowd marginalized, in spite of how it appears in the media. So I'm perfectly fine continuing to vote Democratic.

I posted it upthread, but it was in the news again today. Trump got a lower percentage of the total number of votes cast that Romney in 2012.

As a Republican Trump UNDERPERFORMED.

I think rich white racists voted for Trump and I think idiots voted for Trump.

When I was in high school, some clown ran for class president on the platform of no homework and longer recess; two things he couldn't control. He won.

When I was in college (and was a tiny little thing) I was a coxswain on the crew team; when it came time to vote for a captain, the coach actually had to say 'vote for a leader; not someone who can make fart noises but cupping the palm of their hand under their armpit'

These are the people who voted for Trump; the ones who thought it'd be funny.

It's hard but not impossible to see why he got even more votes than last time. I'm just glad that Biden got more.

[quote] I posted it upthread, but it was in the news again today. Trump got a lower percentage of the total number of votes cast that Romney in 2012.

I wouldn't keep repeating this if I were you since it's a big red flag.

[quote]If the sane people from the Democratic Party and the Republican Party merged into some kind of moderate party

What sane person identifies as a member of the grifter sycophant Republican party these days?

Despite Trump's blather about Law & Order, his main attraction was anarchy. People saw someone who breaks rules and comes out triumphant. They have made a mess of their lives and want to erase-erase, destroy everything and start again. He's rude, crude, dishonest, immoral, vengeful, bigoted, shallow, self-centered, illiterate and not very bright- just like them.

They were tired of the lockdowns and endless restrictions.

R244, it's sad that you don't know what the word 'endless' means. Or 'lockdown' for that matter. Maybe even the word 'tired'.

What R244 means is that they don't care about anyone else except themselves and wanted as many people to die as possible to shove it up the Lieberals asses.

But they always suddenly have a change of heart if THEY got the China virus because it turns out it wasn't just the flu after all...

Because they're deluded deplorables, OP. Sadly, there are indeed racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic fucks living in the United States. Personally, I'm down for a split county. Deplorables on one side and the rest on the other.

What I love are these threads. Let’s ask a question no one wants the answer too and then proceed to say how tolerant we are and how evil the other 74 million are. So why ask? You clearly don’t want to know. You clearly don’t want to understand. You believe you are all good and virtuous. Only you are enlightened. Only you know the truth. . You are like a narcissistic clan unable to see their own flaws but willing to pointing out everyone else’s.

[quote]You are like a narcissistic clan unable to see their own flaws but willing to pointing out everyone else’s.

Now just make my last name "Trump" and 74M idiots will vote for me and my family to turn the people's house into a piggybank.

What R244 is really saying is that Covid only affects fat people, poor people, and black & brown people, so me and my white ass and white friends and white family don't care.

R250, except that since hospitals are at capacity, they won't be able to treat people coming in for other illnesses. That's why these people are so stupid. They think that covid can just run amok and it won't affect them. If hospital staff are busy treating covid, they have no time for anything else.

R248, what's more baffling is your lacking in introspective and basic decency to have written that. It's as if you think there was a mere disagreement over paying for infrastructure between us and those 74M.

I bet you go off about someone like Ilhan Omar or AOC all of the time and shriek "This is why Trump won" and yet all of the despicable things Trump has said and done or attempted to do (including trying to destroy the very foundation of this nation) for decades, is simply dismissed. The hate, the racism, xenophobia, bigotry, misogyny, retweeting literal white supremacists, fearmongering, corruption, lies, bullying, death threats...all ignored by you.

Don't ever convince yourself your view is the rational one when what you're defending is Fascism in its infancy in this country.

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[quote]You clearly don’t want to understand.

I think there are some of us who already understand and have accepted why. And there are some of us, like me, who no longer gives two fucks about the white working class and their problems. Die from Covid, I don't care. Follow a monster who is robbing you blind and who doesn't give two shits about you, I don't care.

I think the people who are really trying to make sense out of all this are those who live in these tight blue bubbles, but who have family and or friends who are Trumpsters and they are trying to make some sense out of why the Trumpsters love him so, and if they can figure it all out, then they can feel better about themselves and for having these people in their lives.

R241 Red flag for what? I think the point is the point is that the great "emergency" of 74mil Trump voters needs a perspective.... the election was won by Biden by over 7mil votes. The % difference was close to what the polls predicted. Biden beat Trump by more than Obama beat Romney. Perspective.

R248 I think you've exemplified exactly what you decry. An essentialist general conclusion about all of "them" that are on the side you disagree with. The analysis of an election is a welcome and expected topic in social media, and through this thread there is not one answer to the question - the variety of opinions is pretty diverse. This thread is smarter than most on DL.

Apparently we still have people here who want to pretend that LBJ didn't have the majority of these people pegged 60 years ago. These people voted for Trump for the same reason Dixiecrats became Republicans and Karl Rove knew that the way to get Dubya ahead of McCain is to mention him having a *black* kid.

“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.” - LBJ

Accept that quote is what guides the majority of the white, lower income and that that is all that Trump ever actually offered them from the moment he ran.

[quote] “If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.” - LBJ

This quote basically explains a lot of America's history, all in two sentences. This is why I just roll my eyes and get so irritated whenever Bernie and others claim class is a bigger issue than race in America. No, it's. From the early days of English settlements in America, European travelers noticed that the class tensions as seen in Europe played out very differently in America. In America, they noted white people could easily move up in class but this was often at the expense of black people and natives. That has played out throughout our history and it still does today.

R257 America today is the least racist country in the world. You're seriously deluded.

R258 You're high? Right? Do you have any sense of history?

What evidence can you present that your statement is true? Just curious how someone with your beliefs would answer that.

R259 America has a rich multicultural history built on immigration. Institutionalized racism is illegal. Cultures assimilate within one generation where other countries face political and social strife even after decades. The history and accomplishments of African Americans are among the greatest of all time. The USA is a country that has learned from its history.

That said, the US is facing a unique crisis due to technological innovation and massive income inequality. It's gotten so bad that people are willing to sell eachother out no matter what the color of their skin is.

R269 "Irish need not apply" The Trail of Tears where US forced native tribes to move from Georgia to Oklahoma - over 15% dying in transit. 300 years of slavery; economic development derived from slave labor. Black humans were not allowed to be citizens until 1868. Black women were specifically excluded from the right to vote, 1919 19th Amendment. Black women not allowed universal suffrage until the Voting Rights laws in the mid 60s. Black and white humans not allowed to marry each other in most states until the late 1960s. On and on and on... check the link below, with info like the following

[quote]One Harvard University study found that when Blacks and Asians "whitened" their resumes — for example, used "American" or "white"-sounding names — they got more callbacks for corporate interviews. Twenty-five percent of Black candidates received callbacks from their whitened resumes, while only 10% got calls when they left ethnic details on their resume.

And yet it's true. America is th e least racist country in the world. Look at Canada where they are worse with racial profiling and hundreds of native American wormn went missing before anyone deigned to look into it.

[quote]America today is the least racist country in the world. You're seriously deluded.

Did you fall and hit your head R258?

You "statement" is nothing more than a baldfaced lie. America is one of the [bold]MOST[/bold] racist countries on the planet. As bad as South Africa.

Endemic racism - both in institutionalized and in general society - has been a significant part of accepted American culture since slavery and continues unabated to this very day.

Evidence? Everywhere.

[quote]One Harvard University study found that when Blacks and Asians "whitened" their resumes — for example, used "American" or "white"-sounding names

People with uncommon or low class names are discriminated against whether they are white or black. It is better to have a traditional mainstream American name regardless of your race.

Abdul, Amber, Abner, and Alan.

Guess which one gets the interview.

I would never bring in an Abner for an interview, so good example.

A few traditionally blue counties that flipped red this year:

Alamosa, CO Burke, GA Scotland, NC Lorain, OH Mahoning, OH Clarendon, SC Dillon, SC Frio, TX Jim Wells, TX Kleberg, TX La Salle, TX Reeves, TX Val Verde, TX Zapata, TX

Edison, MI

R267 Mentioned in the analysis, but still underappreciated... is the erosion of support among Latinos. The reasons aren't simplistic, but they extend beyond just the person of Trump. Given demographic trends, figuring out how to respond, attract, and appeal to Latinos is an existential question for Dems.

R267 Mentioned in the analysis, but still underappreciated... is the erosion of support among Latinos. The reasons aren't simplistic, but they extend beyond just the person of Trump. Given demographic trends, figuring out how to respond, attract, and appeal to Latinos is an existential question for Dems.

Biden was right last summer when he said appealing to Latinos is very complicated. Democrats will never get the overwhelming number of votes from Latinos that they receive from African Americans. Latinos are just too diverse to be a solid political block.

Latinos are different ethnicities, races, and nationalities with different experiences. African Americans or the black voting population all have the same experiences. Especially when it comes to race, racism, and white supremacy. Latinos have the worst mindset when it comes to race. Spainards fucked them up good. Lots of white and European worship, envy, and wannabes.

The only commonality of people of all races that support Trump is that they are male, be they white, black, Latino, albino, rich, poor, educated, uneducated, and on and on. There is something wrong with straight men.

Would it be correct to say Latinos has a sort of country by country class system R272?

[quote] Mentioned in the analysis, but still underappreciated... is the erosion of support among Latinos. The reasons aren't simplistic, but they extend beyond just the person of Trump. Given demographic trends, figuring out how to respond, attract, and appeal to Latinos is an existential question for Dems.

It wasn't an erosion really. 33% voted for Trump while about 66% voted for Biden--maybe a slight dissapointment but nothing to freak out over. But it does show that, yes, Latinos are different groups of people and they all can't be messaged in the same way. Tejanos make that apparent--many of them voted for Trump and they didn't care that hispanic children were being held in cages.

R272 Duh. "Latino" identities have always been diverse. The "Dem support" by Latinos have been eroding, is the point.

Also, Black identities are also very diverse... a PhD Nigerian immigrant, a black Puerto Rican, a Jamaican immigrant nurse, a high school dropout from the Bronx, and Howard University graduate from Ladera Heights.... yet they all vote much more Dem.

Of course, American racism is equality unopportunity for all African diaspora (and mixed race) folk...

“Latinos are different ethnicities, races, and nationalities with different experiences. African Americans or the black voting population all have the same experiences. Especially when it comes to race, racism, and white supremacy. Latinos have the worst mindset when it comes to race. Spainards fucked them up good. Lots of white and European worship, envy, and wannabes”. R272

Wow just wow .Started off well with Latinos are different then basically said they were all the same . All 440 million in South America. There is no more rascist comments than an anti rascist sprouting how rascist they are.

How about China ? 1 million Uyghur Muslims? Rwanda genocide 500,000? India ? Pakistan? Etc Why do Americans have to be the centre of everything? Hong Kong people are literally losing their rights as we speak, but what we care about is the systemic racism of Americans.

I was listening to a podcast the other day where a woman was boasting that people in Africa were behind Black Lives Matter in America. So in Sudan where thousands are dying because of civil war and starvation it is great to care about Black Lives Matter.? Wouldn’t it be better if we all cared about all the world’s misery rather than focus it all on one group in the world and say that is the world’s worst issue

. In America that is where we should focus everything on, not the 40 million slaves now in the world but on the richest country in the world..

You don't think there's a certain anti-blackness and pro-European aspect in Latino culture? Maybe try and check their media and check what blanqueamiento means. There was no segregation for Latino countries instead these opted for breeding out and systemically wiping out undesirable races. Argentina is one of the few that were successful, other not so, but even then they managed to fool afro-latino with "no race" concept and a mulatto buffer class. One that wasn't done in America because of the one drop rule and post civil war reconstruction era of "separate but equal"

The vision being put forth by progressives doesn't exist in any other part of the world and has never existed at any point in time. Equality should be about lifting people up, not bringing everyone else down.

When the Minority behaves like they are the Majority don’t be surprised if you get flack. You can’t moralise and sit in judgment over the majority unless you are a preacher.

Your a celebrity who slept their way to the top, who hid their sexuality to sell more movies, don’t you dare think you can moralise about Me Too when you used it to get ahead. Don’t talk about guns and walls when you surround yourselves with security and hide behind 10 foot walls. The world hates hypocrisy.

That is why Trump got 74 million votes.

I don't think the meds have kicked in yet R280

[quote]Don’t talk about guns and walls when you surround yourselves with security and hide behind 10 foot walls.

Excuse me, semi-literate foreigner who always seems to post around 2:30-3:00am EST: The majority of us who voted against Trump neither have security nor a God damned wall. We just know a fucking Klan rally when we see/hear one.

“Excuse me, semi-literate foreigner who always seems to post around 2:30-3:00am EST: The majority of us who voted against Trump neither have security nor a God damned wall. “R282

Omg I am busted I am a foreigner!!. I didn’t read that I wasn’t allowed to voice my opinion. I must have missed that in the opening when it said only Americans should reply . Thank God for open boarders hey. Obviously you believe what you preach. You have got me!!. Here I was just one of a billion people able to read English and I dared to go into a thread about an event that affected the whole world!! Thank god you don’t look outwards.

In a thread about why 74 million voted for Trump. Why do you feel the need to tell me you don’t have security? The issue isn’t if you do or don’t . Surely the issue is why people voted for Trump. My point was they voted for Trump because they saw people who were hypocrites yelling that they were evil while doing the very same things themselves.

May I say that that talking about tolerance and telling people who come into a thread that they don’t belong because they are foreigners has completely shown my point. Hypocrisy. I bet you believe you are tolerant don’t you.?Nah just a bigot dressed up in bullshit righteousness.

Thanks for proving my point.

I pointed out you were a foreigner because only someone who doesn't live here would be stupid enough to think that 80M people who voted for Biden apparently have fucking security and walls and that the poor, poor 74M who voted for Trump are being inundated with all of these swarthy people coming and let's just go all out with your beliefs: Rapin' n' pillagin' the God fearin' Christ-lovin' Aryan people.

Trump's entire god damned campaign has been about DEMONIZING PEOPLE BASED ON WHAT THEY ARE. Your definition of "tolerance" is thinking we're supposed to understand a president and his supporters who only fucking tweet about a crime if the perpetrator suits their own prejudice. We are not talking about a difference in a opinion on how to tax people. We are talking about someone who became the GOP front-runner the moment he engaged in HATE for human beings.

I don't think there is anything stupider as a defense for Trump supporters than using the word "tolerance" in relation to understanding people who want to legislate INtolerance. It's like telling cattle to tolerate being sent to a slaughterhouse. Trump supporters want to be allowed to be bigots and racists - that was Trump's platform from DAY ONE

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R284 That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But to dismiss 74 million people as just one thing is no different than the Nazis dismissing the Jews as just one thing, because you are dismissing one half of your country as lesser than you. That is hubris at its worst.

The more you make half your country less than human the more you make it easier to hurt them because they become less than human , they just become mindless animals, easier to destroy. Cant you see that ? Cant you see that is what has been done in history to destroy other people. To make it easier.

You may think people who voted for Trump are barely human but can’t you see that the media want you to feel that ? That is what sells papers? That is what makes ratings. You are being played on very basic levels .

[quote][R284] That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But to dismiss 74 million people as just one thing is no different than the Nazis dismissing the Jews as just one thing, because you are dismissing one half of your country as lesser than you.

Jesus Fucking Christ, you must be a troll. These people are not hated for their religion or their race...that's the basis for THEIR hate and support for Trump. That you thought this was analogous to Nazis is astonishing ignorance on your part.

[quote]That is hubris at its worst. You may think people who voted for Trump are barely human but can’t you see that the media want you to feel that ?

I don't need the media to show me anything I can't see for myself and Trump's platform of viewing brown people like "barely human" is to what his supporters gravitated. You really have zero grasp on the situation. "

Don’t blaspheme dude. That being said, Trump voters are enabling evil.

r275 "Nothing to freak over". Literally tens of millions were spent in Texas to try to make some gains in the state house....The rio grande area flipped HARD towards Republicans. D's lost two House seats in FL as a result of unexpected Latino shift and it contributed to Trump comfortably winning FL after Bloomberg dumped $100 mil into the state (and Biden spent plenty there too). It's a big fucking deal. It's not just about a few percentage points on a national vote.

Exactly. Not freaking out has been a disaster

Latinos are christian and lean conservative. I surprised we did as well as we did.

Los Cubonos no son los mismos que los Tejanos y los Puertorriqueños

The problem people were Texas Mexicans (Tejanos), Cubans, and Venezuelans. Puerto Ricans were the group that mostly went Biden country wide. Arizona Mexicans chose Biden over Trump.

R291, African Americans are arguably even more Christian, certainly more evangelical

All these mental gymnastics go to prove that identity politics are not as important as the left so desperately wants you to believe. I don't think many politicians are able to win elections without using the identity card. However, there are enough dumb people posting in this thread who will still fall for it every time.

Oh yes, let's make this about blacks and Hispanics when without fail, it is the overwhelming majority of white people in this country who vote for the Republican party. Every God damned time,

Let's pretend it isn't white people who've voted for the party that has allowed tax cut after tax cut after cut to the wealthiest and wars that create enemies out of people who never did a God damned thing to this country and guts education and environmental policies and civil rights and any safety net that is the very reason this country became the powerhouse that it was.

Rudy has the Covid.

[quote]Latinos are christian and lean conservative. I surprised we did as well as we did.

It is the Latino males that are the problem. As with every other racial and ethnic group when it comes to voting. It's the males that are the problem.

But Biden beat Trump by more than 7 million in the popular vote, with more than 81 million votes. And decisively in the Electoral College. So go away, losers.

Nobody voted for Trump. Everybody voted for Biden. All votes against Biden are automatically invalid.

R300, if we used IQ as the measure of who could vote, you'd be right.

[quote] . It's a big fucking deal. It's not just about a few percentage points on a national vote.

Not really. Again, Dems won 66% of the Latino vote. That is pretty aligned with how they have done in previous elections. Tejanos, Cubans and Venezuelans--not representative of the general Latino vote at all-- were porbably turned off by the "defund the police" BS which goes against their notions (and the general public's notion) of law and order. This just shows that Dems need to messages different Latino groups differently--they are not a monolith. It was Biden who acknowledged this while people like "the squad" dismissed this. The Dems will have to start changing their message now. Get rid of the Defund the police BS. And other things. And they can win back these voters easily.

Do you not read the news R302?

There was a massive misinformation campaign in Spanish media and on social media in Florida to tie the Democrats to "socialism" which is a dirty word to Cubans, Nicaraguans and Venezolanos and in Texas the whole "abolish ICE" and "open borders" thing freaked them out as many work for ICE and do not want the chaos open borders would cause for their border towns

R303 ,that was pretty much mentioned in my post. I mentioned defund the police and law and order which is exactly what you are mentioning. That's why I'm saying the Dems have to stop saying shit like Defund the police and they also need to remember different Latino groups vote different from others. That's also a reason some white people didn't vote for Biden instead of Trump . Some wanted to but as they saw "defund the plice" repeated over and over again, they got turned off.

R301: only gays should be allowed to vote at all. Or hold office. Or own property. Or even live in this country. Or on this planet. Or in the solar system. Or in this universe.

[quote]To dismiss 74 million people as just one thing is no different than the Nazis dismissing the Jews as just one thing, because you are dismissing one half of your country as lesser than you. That is hubris at its worst. The more you make half your country less than human the more you make it easier to hurt them because they become less than human , they just become mindless animals, easier to destroy.

Sorry, but Trump supporters are a unique case. While I wouldn't say they're "less than human," I can honestly say without hesitation that anyone who supports that man despite his words and actions must be either incredibly ignorant or evil or both, and therefore absolutely deserves to be completely dismissed and relegated to a dumpster for human refuse.

R300 You realize you flip that , and that's what Republicans really are saying?

Much, much worse than Trump himself, is the assault on facts. And when faced with facts, the Tribe only doubles down. It's a real problem, hence what this thread is kind of about.

Why are 74mil ok with lies?

The past four years have not been kind to West Virginia Democrats. Their vaunted party registration lead has greatly diminished. The party is now on the verge of finally losing its registration advantage all together in the coming months.

Because America is effectively a cult nation in which people are raised to believe they live in the best nation on Earth when in fact it's a oligarchy and capitalism is the state religion. America is the richest nation on Earth and yet one of the most illiterate countries in the west that is is also unusually isolated and a majority of people have never left their state. With a highly apparent racists underbelly, it's a nation that is effectively at war with itself. Trump is the personification of everything wrong with America.

The Bigfoot analogy from a Virginia ex-congressman.

[quote] only gays should be allowed to vote at all. Or hold office. Or own property. Or even live in this country. Or on this planet. Or in the solar system. Or in this universe. [/quote]

If you limited it to just males (or just females, for that matter - and destroy all the sperm banks), then it's probably the only way to save the planet. Not sure the universe needs for that to happen to be saved though...

they didnt, it was fraud all the way, hacking machines and ev way u can think of....i refuse to believe there are that many repugs in the nation..

R313 - Yep, I've been saying this for ages. Repugs have been using every cheat in the book for decades but realized probably in the last 10 years that actual vote hacking (either flipping, purging, adding votes for dead people, posting votes for a US citizen who did not vote in the election - or some combination) was necessary to win the majority of elections and maintain power. When we have to poll 5 to 6 points ahead of them to pull off a nail-biter, things are getting pretty damn obvious. The numbers are rarely there for them to win otherwise. Georgia showed us this year what a state really looks like when they think its safely red and don't hack (admittedly, Stacey Abrams was a huge help for us). No doubt in my mind whatsoever that Florida, Texas and Ohio were rigged beyond belief. All of that cheating and they STILL couldn't pull off a win for Trumpy Bear.

I dont like claims of widespread fraud because none have been proven, ever. And then Republicans use the claim to enforce bullshit rules on voter ID, which is always used to disenfranchise Democrats

Thirty years ago, a politician who was pro-life or pro-gun wasn't necessarily a Democrat. Today, they are all Republicans. Are most Americans pro-choice? Sure. Are most for common sense gun regulations? Absolutely. But when it comes to one issue voters, they're almost all pro-life and pro-gun and they now vote Republican 100% of the time. Meanwhile, the suburbs and exurbs are full of pro-choice Republicans who don't think about abortion much one way or another and it doesn't impact who they vote for

[quote] And then Republicans use the claim to enforce bullshit rules on voter ID, which is always used to disenfranchise Democrats

Even third world countries require Voter ID to vote. Calling that voter suppression is pathetic.

“ But when it comes to one issue voters, they're almost all pro-life and pro-gun and they now vote Republican 100% of the time. Meanwhile, the suburbs and exurbs are full of pro-choice Republicans who don't think about abortion much one way or another and it doesn't impact who they vote for.”

THIS

Mouff breaving morons. Racism (& intolerance overall) is my choice.

r316 People like you make my head fucking explode. If Republicans were interested in voter ID as a precaution, they wouldn't pass voter ID laws and then shut down inner city DMV's. But that happens every single time. The DMV's in black and hispanic neighborhoods get defunded, either shut entirely or have their weekend hours restricted. And the ID's would be free. But they're not. Sometimes they cost up to $50. And that's after inner city black person has paid to get on a bus and travel to the suburbs so they can get it.

If Republicans cared about fraud, they wouldn't mind if someone showed an expired drivers license. Because its not being used to drive, its just being used as a form of ID so you can vote in an American election. But somehow those are off limits too. And not just some elderly person using a 40 year old license--Republicans make sure you can't use a drivers license if its expired more than 30 days. Wonder what that has to do with voting.

College ID? Nope. No good for Republicans. That way they can exclude college students who may not have a car.

The odd thing is I don't really believe Trump is pro-life or pro-gun. I just said he was to get republican votes. I don't think he has any core beliefs. He could have run as a democrat and adopted their profile had it been beneficial to his end game of publicity and fame.

28 percent of LGBTQ people voted for Dumpster. He also gained in the minority vote.

The answers:

For the white working class: it's racism, xenophobia, homophobia, misogyny and their unwillingness to learn new skills while blaming "the others' and immigrants taking away 'their' jobs.

The thing is, most immigrants have advanced degrees, those morons wouldn't even be considered for those sorts of jobs. Most have barely graduated high school, they are not engineers, doctors, professors, tech jobs etc. These voters don't seem to put the blame where it should be, the greedy CEOs who have off-shored 'their' jobs because foreign workers accept less money than Americans.

For the wealthy, ReThugs always cut their taxes. ReThugs are all about the wealthy.

It's the economy, stupid. (and his was good pre-covid)

[quote] People like you make my head fucking explode. If Republicans were interested in voter ID as a precaution, they wouldn't pass voter ID laws and then shut down inner city DMV's. But that happens every single time. The DMV's in black and hispanic neighborhoods get defunded, either shut entirely or have their weekend hours restricted. And the ID's would be free. But they're not. Sometimes they cost up to $50. And that's after inner city black person has paid to get on a bus and travel to the suburbs so they can get it.

We need voter id laws that can confirm identity and current residency. Advocating for fair laws is one thing, it's another thing entirely to do without them. How can you ensure a fair election if ineligible people can vote?

[quote] For the white working class: it's racism, xenophobia, homophobia, misogyny and their unwillingness to learn new skills while blaming "the others' and immigrants taking away 'their' jobs.

What new skills are low skilled immigrants learning? Why should we open the floodgates to more low skilled labor when we have record unemployment and are in the midst of a pandemic?

[quote] The thing is, most immigrants have advanced degrees

No one has a problem with a merit based system that rewards immigrants.

[quote] For the wealthy, ReThugs always cut their taxes. ReThugs are all about the wealthy.

So if the Rethugs are for it, why do the Democrats support them?

[quote] The odd thing is I don't really believe Trump is pro-life or pro-gun.

Some Democrats have to pretend to be pro-abortion and anti-2A, so it happens on both sides.

Stupid is as stupid does.

AOC and her demands for socialism are NOT going to go away. She is going to keep dragging down the Dem party with her extreme left liberal ideas and America will have to decide if they are in agreement or not by voting. 2022 is not a slam dunk win for the far left Dems by any measure, even though reading some of the comments from the ultra libs seem to think they will win. Good luck I say.

While I'm not a conspiracy person, some analysis of Moscow Mitch's election results are not adding up and it's causing some political experts raising their eyebrows.

So, the GOP are probably doing what they're accusing the Democrats of .... hacking the election.

I don't buy the economy bullshit, Obama left the economy in pretty good shape.

Most of the new jobs Dump 'created' were low paying McJobs. Working as a cashier is not a career.

Again, Dumpsters won't admit the truth.

r316 is a logical conservative. What he's saying makes sense. It's logical. It's not the real world but its part of how a lot of conservative policy operates--their followers can latch on to what seems like a very simple truth. its politically expedient. Ultimately the only reason the argument is presented is to help Republicans get elected and disenfranschise poor black people.

If Republicans really wanted black people to have voter ID's, they'd have mobile ID stations that set up in parks, downtown areas, inner cities, and then give the ID's away for free. Instead, they pass voter ID laws and then shut down local DMVs on weekends or altogether.

Why on earth do you think a person can blamed for deaths from a virus? Are you going to blame other world leaders for the deaths of their citizens from coronavirus? That’s just stupid.

There are 74 million reasons not to visit the US again.

Lower taxes.....I make just over $250K and I’m terrified what my tax liability is going to be the next couple years. I don’t care if Trump would have burned down the Whitehouse, as long as I can continue paying 6.5% federal income tax.