JFK ASSASINATION HARDLY MENTIONED ANYMORE

Don't forget RFK and MLK.

OP, how many on here were even alive when JFK was shot? It's history now, like the Revolution or the Civil War.

OP, you're right. The day goes by practically unmentioned. I expect we will get to that point with 9/11 too. I recall that my parents and grandparents always commemorated the day WWII ended.

1. Learn how to use spell-check.

2. Learn how to use a calendar.

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i was in hi school, at lunch, suddenly a lady started crying, then we got the news. we went to class, and ev body cried, first though of many of us: LBJ finally got wht he wanted. he ws so kool, loved him and jackie

why bring up 60 year old drama? holding on to the past is toxic

It gained a lot of attention on its 50th anniversary. But the 57th isn't a milestone anniversary, it competed this year with major, pressing crises, &, yes, those alive to remember 11/22/63 are dwindling.

You’re right. More people talk about the death of Marilyn Monroe.

I was once knee deep in the conspiracy stuff .... So much to prove it was a hit from those who feared him, hard to deny these days ...Hope im alive when they release the rest of the files. Glad to see Lawrence O'Donnell mentioned it on twitter, ...

Holding onto the past is toxic? You feel the same way bout the world wars? the holocaust? HIstory is what makes us human...and have a good grasp of how we in the mess we in...

Well. Talking about it anually for damn near 60 years got old.

To honor a great man once a year. not too much. Especially since he was struck down in the prime of life and was the most admired man in the world.

There was a very big observance of this date in 2013, which was the 50th anniversary.

I think fewer and fewer people remember, of course. The ones that remember now were mostly children at the time it happened. I was born well after that day but was captivated a few years back when one of the cable channels played CBS's nonstop coverage for four days.

R10, Because of people like R6, history is condemned to repeat itself. Holding onto the past and remembering it are two vastly different things.

I find myself still going down the YouTube rabbit hole of watching & listening to the TV & radio coverage of those days.

Me too, so much evidence showing the scorned govt people, LBJ, corporate fuks, the mob etc who wanted him dead...and so many witness saw the puff of smoke at grassy knoll, thats where they all ran to catch the shooter.....fascinating evidence 4 sure. His death they say began the takeover of the govt by big $/big biz and showing the world leaders could be killed if they did not keep in step.

There was a time when there were specials on TV about the assassinations of JFK, Dr. King and RFK. Those of us who remember when it happened are in our 60's now. Programming is dominated by younger execs. They could give a shit about anything that happened over 50 years ago.

Well, I guess it's appropriate to post this again now.

Plus they dont want us to remember the true heroes who were not controlled by the media, big money, and foreign influence. Drump is like the exact opposite of wht Kennedy stood for. He is like the endgame of what they hoped for in killing Kennedy: low taxes on rich, no benefits for middle/low class (no health care), no environmental controls, just big corporations runnin hog wild....'Oh lets give them some of the woke stuff....nd keep em satisfied'

It's just the passage of time, sadly.

I'm 70 and can well-remember the nation-wide reverence for Pearl Harbor Day, December 7, as a child of the 50s before the JFK assassination. That day is never mentioned much any more.

It’s almost as if most people who lived through it are dead now.

Yes, listen to the estimable R10, OP.

But, for your own success in reading the menus behind you at Rally's, try to learn to spell common words.

You are asasanayting your voyse.

I listened to Last Podcast on the Left and they had a great 4-5 hour deep dive on Lee Harvey Oswald and all the conspiracies. Their final conclusion as to who shot JFK was shocking but makes sense. Anyone want to know?

R23 Yes

R23 was it Vivian Vance?

Spill it R23.

It was actually 57 years ago yesterday, November 22.

Quite a bit of attention was paid to the 50th anniversary in 2013.

If it’s not LHO, R23, I’m not interested. As Vincent Bugliosi pointed out in his definitive book on the assassination, only in an upside down world can you have 53 pieces of evidence pointing to your guilt (in this case, LHO) & not be guilty.

R10 Sounds really dumb! History is very important in America. We must never forget slavery or jim crow, or the civil rights movement, or the assassination of several US presidents. That's our his, that his we learn and hopefully move forward in a better direction.

But we really have to cut the evil out in the this country. The evil right that is.

The assassination is such ancient history that I’m sure there are those who think JFK assassinated President Oswald.

R18 Thanks a lot for the BSO clip. I'd never heard it before, although I'd read about the switch to playing the funeral march.

It sounds like a lot of people just got up and left after the announcement was made. Seems unlike what BSO patrons would have been like but maybe the announcement was just too extraordinary to give priority to observing protocol.

You're welcome, R31. It's interesting to listen to a live announcement before an audience when the assassination happened. I think all the commotion you hear after the funeral march being mentioned is the entire audience standing during the playing of the piece.

- R18

R30 Only if they're even more ignorant than you are.

R32 I hadn't thought of that.

It is awesome to fall down the well, so much convincing vids on you tube that show all the salient evidence as to what occurred... its like the Greatest Mystery in the World with the facts right there before us. there use to b conventions that discussed all this. my internist is a big jfk conspiracy guy, he speaks at them sometimes....god dam lbj and da mob...

hey grammar grannys, to to some site tht gives a shit.

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But, R28, it really helps if someone killed you almost immediately after the murder so you could never defend yourself against the 53 pieces of evidence.

Oswald's murder is the #1 indicator he was a patsy. Nobody with ties to the mob was going to get so upset about JFK's murder that he had to become the Unmasked Avenger. That was a rookie mistake.

Its the Great American Tragedy.....jackie in her blood stained pink suit, parts of the autopsy mysteriously disappearing, witnesses dying, rfk saying 'he knew that bastard LBJ was behind it," the corrupt Dallas Police force and their patsys oswald/jack ruby....messy, messy. and the dorothy killgallen murder as she was about to 'expose who killed jfk 'after her many interviews with jack ruby, she died the day before she was to have a press conference.......dont mess with j edgar hoover and his ilk.

[quote] But, [R28], it really helps if someone killed you almost immediately after the murder so you could never defend yourself against the 53 pieces of evidence.

Oswald's murder is the #1 indicator he was a patsy. Nobody with ties to the mob was going to get so upset about JFK's murder that he had to become the Unmasked Avenger. That was a rookie mistake.

If Oswald's death was a mob hit, no way he was going to be allowed to live another 48 hours to talk. He wouldn't have escaped the TSBDB alive.

Well, it's not a hot topic for sure, but it's not like it was forgotten, hey even Stephen King wrote a very successful novel about it a not so long ago

Im surprised ruby wasnt taken out before kilgallen got to interview him and crack the case....course it sealed her death.

Yes, Ruby was another one, who, oddly, was allowed to live. Over 3 years in his case.

Neither is the McKinley assassination.

huh???

I remember thinking at the time that the 50th anniversary would be the last big one. By the sixtieth, it'll simply be too far in the past.

The JFK assassination is the one "conspiracy theory" that I believe might actually have a conspiracy behind it. I don't doubt that LHO pulled the trigger but there is just something off about his being a "lone gunman" that doesn't make sense. He was a bit of a loser, really, not able to commit to anything. Angry, yes, but didn't strike me as particularly embittered. One of the most bizarre aspects is Jack Ruby -- why would the owner of a Dallas strip club be so enraged at the killing that he would then murder the assassin?

I know that a hallmark of conspiracy theories is to ask questions relentlessly, and that not having answers proves nothing, but so little of it makes sense. Maybe because as an eldergay I remember the death of JFK and can see that this country was about to go into its downward spiral that everything would just be so shitty for the next 50 or 60 years.

It wont be forgotten, JFK and the missus were too charming and bigger than life. . and he was super beloved, people today have no one comparable, Diana was similar in beloved status,,,,and he did alot of good, wanted to 'break the cia into a thousand pieces', tho that prob was one of the reasons he was murdered.

I recall the Kennedys once issued a statement, this was possibly in the 1990s, asking the public to commentate JFK’s birth, not his death, which is how we remember Washington, Lincoln, and most people. Plus, it probably hurts less, to the family.

The podcast noted that a Secret Service agent accidentally fired the kill shot.

Um. No.

And everything else was open-ended and if if if.

Of COURSE it was a conspiracy, and Oswald was the fall-guy (patsy, as he said) while other shooters were in place.

My partner worked for the Dallas Police Chief and knew Texas politicians in office at the time. It was an open secret that you just didn't talk about with more than one other person present. The ex-CIA & mob people set it up, the Dallas police covered up things at the immediate scene, and the FBI passively misdirected and covered up after that. Congress didn't want to get too deep into it. Oswald was indeed set up and did shoot, but he wasn't the only one, and Ruby, a mob man, got trapped into taking Oswald out "or else" for him and his family members.

How did it all succeed? Brutal and quick response at any weak links or talkers, lack of will to go down the rabbit hole, and the fact that the man who benefited most, LBJ, was president and assured everyone he would play, which he did. There are indications he knew before the fact, but he certainly knew after the fact. Plus the government PR machine, working with the news media, saw to it that any veering from the official story tended to be ridiculed and treated as fringe crazies. Some of the vocal opponents were intentionally placed or given a spotlight because they WERE crazies.

Part of the coverup on the FBI side was to tamp down the initial setup of Oswald as a Cuban/Soviet/Communist plant, which was part of the reason he was set up, because no one wanted a misfire that would take us into action with the Russians. Remember that to the ex-CIA people and the Cubans they worked with it was payback for the Bay of Pigs mess. So in that sense the CIA tools failed, but at the expense of the truth.

For the mob it was to get back at RFK even more the JFK because of their double-dealing by going against the mob after the family was such a partner. Eventually, when Robert started to look like a winner in 1968, they finished the job.

People may have awakened to the fact that the US is just another power with an oligarchy and an obligingly stupid electorate, but in the 1960s the propaganda machine was still "we are special and true" and "we're better than all the others" in how we conducted our government power struggles. The conspiracy and the coverup were two different things with only some overlap in the player, with much of the latter being cobbled together after the event.

Trump and today's GOP have shown how thin the veneer is on our "constitutional" and "orderly" system, and what goats and sheep the citizenry are.

Mom gathered us all up to go to church, though I was too young to remember.

It was said, every Irish Catholic home, in particular, had a picture of Pope John XXIII, and JFK, prominently displayed some where, at that time.

that weekend is seared into my brain, jfk's murder,,,,,oswalds murder.....the funeral....felt like the world was changed forever....maybe it was..

It was Joe Dimaggio who shot him as a payback for killing Marilyn Monroe. I read it in the Enquirer!!

If only Dorothy Kilgallen had lived, we'd have the answer.

I've always been obsessed with her from my childhood viewings of What's My Line? Though I can't bear Ryan Murphy I guess he is the only person likely at this point in time to create a miniseries about the post-assassination months. Just think of who he'd cast for Oswald, Jack Ruby, Jackie, LBJ, Ladybird and most especially Dorothy K (I'm thinking Cynthia Nixon is chinless enough).

"The podcast noted that a Secret Service agent accidentally fired the kill shot."

I saw a doco based on the same guy's ideas, and how he concluded the "accidentally" part is way beyond me. The agent in question had just joined the team, like 1-3 months before the shooting, was the only one of the Secret Service agents off duty the night before who didn't go out drinking together, and miraculously didn't know enough to have the security catch on on his gun while sitting directly behind the President in the car following. But I thought the kill shots had to come from in front, anyway.

Whether the killer was that agent or not, I'm sure R49's explanation is broadly right. And that LBJ did know beforehand (which rules out any "accidental" hypothesis), because he made several attempts in the days before the tour to get Jackie out of that car. (Remember she was meant to have been too pregnant to travel but she lost the baby.) He might not have known details, but somebody told him to get her out of there. He failed because her reaction to her loss was to cling to Jack almost literally. I believe in the hours after the shooting she remembered his attempts and put two and two together, and that was why she insisted on attending his swearing-in in the bloodstained clothes. Like Banquo's ghost at Macbeth's party.

The funny thing was that, despite all the cover-ups, there was a quality in the grief that suggested people felt down deep it was more than just the random loss of a President they were mourning. The impact on the young baby boomers was surely a significant factor in the doubt and divisions that marked the rest of the 60s.

He walked into my gun. He walked into my gun 4 times!

R6 You had to be there, it was a complete shock. JFK was cool.

Search YTube for "Everything's A Rich Man's Trick" Choose the one that's about 3.5 hours long. Begin at the 1 hour mark for an hour long segment on the JFK assassination. Some pretty far out shit NEVER covered in any main stream documentaries. So far out they actually merit serious consideration. If your a JFK assassination buff, then you want to see this. The whole video is quite fascinating, actually!

R57, that video lost me at the outset when it claimed that the Purple Gang was a force in the late 1950s.

With Me too JFK isn’t as sympathetic a figure to millennials as younger. All of the glamorous Kennedy’s have died off and unlike last century between 9/11, Trump, and now Covid people do have enough modern tragedies to ignore the past.

I shelect to schcreen out the ashashination.

I was the patsy

i got jacki oh's autog once, she was in a dress shop in manhanntan. i was a teen, she so nice,

Jackie O's autograph:

The media is too busy preparing for next year's 9/11 cryfest.

Much like the Lindbergh baby. Let it go, OP

I don’t care.

I mentioned it to Jackie. For some reason she wasn't real happy about it.

The Boston Symphony Orchestra audio is odd. Were they really having a concert on a Friday afternoon?

For R68

- R17

Well, I figured it was a real thing but it just seemed odd to me, r69. But thanks for the confirmation.

the world stopped when they killed jfk and it taint never gotten bak on the right track....his curse on the world for killin him has caused the plague to descend on us.

Momma cried for a week, she said it was the takeover from that day on of the corporate right wing bastards.

Only the liberals and changers get killed. Shame that there isn't some balance.

WEHT R23?!

JFK, blown away. What else do I have to say?

the day the music died.

Another scripted thread filled by internet troll farm minions. A bunch of contrived comments and responses.

R54, as usual, you provide over the top nonsense and idiocy.

Hmmmm, I wonder why the trolls are so angry over the last few days?

I believe the FBI theory. That LHO shot, missed and that the FBI shot wildly back, accidentally shooting JFK from behind.

R23, that's what we were waiting for?!?!

Someone else already mentioned it upthread. And yes, thats why it seems so plausible- not as exciting (or complex) as so many conspiracies.

Who cares about JFK? Jackie was the one with all the style! I miss her so. Now HER death was a tragedy for the nation.

Biggest event of the century...they were beloved and hot and wild .... made cute kids, well jon jon was 2 di 4 huh....