Miss Joan Crawford cuts the ribbon at a new Pepsi bottling plant

A bitch has gotta do what she has to to earn money.

If it's sleeveless, is it still a caftan?

A wonder if any of those fellas tried to f*ck with her. She'd been to a few rodeos by then.

My god, that is some serious baggage--no, luggage--under her eyes.

Booze-face.

The white suit and hat are divine, no question. She's also drunk as a sailor in that interview.

Those poor horses.

Always the lady. Always elegant.

Apparently, Africa is a country.

Where's my red weirdo?

We've heard. And I cannot believe we actually have two threads on this.

I'm smiling!

I don't see that's she drunk in the video

[Quote]Always the lady. Always elegant

And always drunk.

Poor delusional elder actress with her 19 hour work days and 12 wardrobe changes.

Who shat in #10's Easter basket?

You take that back R13. Nothing wrong with a drink to calm one's nerves.

She's had to let Helga go.

It made me smile...

OP Thank you for this.

I'm pleased to see that celebrity vacuousness was not just born, but that it has existed, and perhaps in fact, can be blamed on a previous generation.

She just left Dallas where she fucked Nixon and shot JFK.

Joan's got a full bar of mini bottles in her snack purse.

The girls weren't 'twins'. Why did she always say that?

I believe it was deception in case their birth mothers came lookin'.

They actually were twins, but Christina claimed in her book that they were not. Cathy Crawford LaLonde sued her and won.

[quote]In 1998, LaLonde successfully sued her adoptive sister, Christina Crawford, for claiming Cathy and Cynthia were not actually twin sisters while promoting a new edition of “Mommie Dearest,” her bestselling 1978 book about their mother. LaLonde produced birth certificates stating otherwise, and eventually received $5,000 in damages.

No, they were not twins. That article only repeats Joan's lie.

This is the quality content that I come to DL for.

It’s lovely to hear someone speak without resorting to filler words. She doesn’t once say ‘umm’ or ‘hmm’ or ‘like’ or ‘I mean.’ Very polished.

Were madame’s outfits packed with tissue paper in hard-sided American Tourister suitcases? Or, were they shipped in a steamer trunk?

Of course you had to pack them at night when the house was quiet, dear. We all know about the night terrors. Guaranteed no one was allowed to sleep while you packed.

R25, they might not be identical twins, but they have the same eyes.

Her omission of Christopher as one of her children speaks volumes about her true nature.

If you're going to do a faux news story from 1963, at least hire a voice actor who sounds like he might actually be a newsreader in 1963.

Say what you will about her, she really knew how to be a movie star in every sense of the word. From the outfit to her diction to putting on her gloves to say the interview is done, she was Old Hollywood glamour.

Joan is currently on TCM looking fabulous.

Miss Crawford started out looking like a cheap floozy in flapper drag early in her career. It was only after marrying into the Fairbanks-Pickford household (and a dressing down by Louis B. Mayer), that she reinvented herself as a stylish sophisticate with proper diction. Crawford and Fairbanks Jr were perhaps the most glamorous movie star couple at the time.

r29 Despite what that lying bitch Christina said, those girls were real twins and bought with real money in Tennessee.

Ohhh...dearest Dougie!

[quote]she reinvented herself as a stylish sophisticate with proper diction

That's one of the reasons why I love her.

Fur hats and jackets in San Diego weather?

What else what a star wear R38?

Well, a hat for sure....even in Africa, r38.

She certainly was 'a piece of work'.

Would Joan have been any good in some of the Carole Lombard pics of the late 30s?

Joan wasn't particularly comedic and would have been incapable of screwball. Dietrich was....see The Lady is Willing where she's basically doing a Teutonic Lombard.

TCM is serving up holiday helpings of both Miss Crawford and Sean Connery today.

Joanie did several romantic comedies at MGM and even did a screwball comedy with Clark Gable called "Love on the Run" (1936), which tried to repeat of Gable's earlier comedic success with "It Happened One Night" (1934). It was a commercial success, but not a critical one.

Lombard excelled at playing dizzy dames. I think Crawford was too "knowing" to play daft.

Joanie did several romantic comedies at MGM and even did a screwball comedy with Clark Gable called "Love on the Run" (1936), which tried to repeat of Gable's earlier comedic success with "It Happened One Night" (1934). It was a commercial success, but not a critical one.

Lombard excelled at playing dizzy dames. I think Crawford was too "knowing" to play daft.

I don't know if it's a sense of knowing, r46, or just not having a fun, playful side. I would have much rather gone out drinking with Carole than Joan.

Poor Carole, she should have got that Oscar over Luise

Joan as Lorna Hansen Forbes is on now. I love this movie.

She’s drunk

R47, I agree. Another way to look at it is that Joan was too defensive of her own dignity. She probably couldn't let go enough to allow herself to look foolish. She never really seems relaxed, either. Being relaxed and willing to look foolish is pretty much a sine qua non for most comedy.

I admit that I'm not a huge fan, so perhaps this is a biased remark, but did Joan Crawford have a sense of humor at all, even in private? She seems utterly serious and guarded in public appearances. I can imagine her making a cuttingly witty remark in private out of hurt or anger, but not being spontaneously witty just for fun.

^^^ Sorry, I should have written "too PROTECTIVE of her own dignity".

This is my thought about Joan R51, as a big, big fan and based on nothing. Joan is very much like Lorna Hansen Forbes. Joan Crawford is a creation, a role she stepped into. And people who step into these creations, rarely if ever let outsiders see who they really are. Or in other words, they are always "on".

Which, for an actor, it would make certain roles more difficult because you have to lose yourself in the part. I think Joan was a fine actor, but she was always some version of Joan Crawford in her roles. Lucille Fay LeSueur probably could have played slapstick, Joan Crawford could not. Just my thoughts, again, based on nothing.

She's funny in this bit, but she's lampooning herself.

Haha R54 I enjoyed that!

Yes, that was great, R54. She looked good there, too.

[quote]R42 Would Joan have been any good in some of the Carole Lombard pics of the late 30s?

She replaced Lombard in the comedy THEY ALL KISSED THE BRIDE (1943) when the latter suddenly died.

I don’t think the movie earned much distinction, either good or bad.

nicklenicklenickle

I assisted Miss Crawford at one of the board meetings and lived to tell the tale....

Incidentally, the designer who did the clothes @ r57 was a sad case. Irene was very gifted and successful (and expensive) but ultimately threw herself out a hotel window in 1962.

Who's that hot ass behind Joan in R54?

She looks very camp in all her off-screen photos. Was she considered a bit of a joke generally by the public?

Joan arriving at LAX drunk off her ass talked about all her adopted children -all 5. Who was the fifth?

[quote]R62 Joan arriving at LAX drunk off her ass talked about all her adopted children -all 5. Who was the fifth?

The very first little babe she adopted was a boy whose mom reclaimed him after she saw him in a fan magazine. After that Mommie Dearest switched to buying untraceable black market babies.

Why didn't Joan's handlers tell her to keep her mouth closed when she was so drunk?

The 5th was likely that little kid she seems to be cradling

[quote] Who's that hot ass behind Joan in [R54]?

Doris Day?

The two actors are Jack Carson and Dennis Morgan, neither of whom I would consider having a hot ass.

Sorry the hot ass in R59?

r66 The new president of Pepsi?

That's a strange composite picture. I can't imagine why it was done.

And that ass is delectable.

What's with all the Joan Crawford threads? Is Matt on another bipolar manic streak?

Joanie will never leave us.

Much as some of us might like - -

R63, first was Christina, then Christopher #1, then Christopher #2, and finally Cathy and Cindy.

[quote] The two actors are Jack Carson and Dennis Morgan, neither of whom I would consider having a hot ass.

Jack Carson is OK,. but Dennis Morgan I would put in hot ass category. He was the hot soldier in Christmas in Connecticut.

It's just my opinion, but Joan probably had been drinking before this interview.

She hides it well, like a chronic drinker, but she stumbles a few times in ways that seem like she was just slightly worse for the wear...

Apart from the possible drinking, she's remarkably good at this Pepsi Co PR interview. She looks reasonably for well-maintained a woman of her age, and she's dressed in the right clothes - clearly expensive and flattering for her.

She seems amazingly adept at doing this kind of interview. - she's maintains good eye contact with the reporter, but she's aware of the camera - she seems to be listening to his questions and responding appropriately - she's clearly mastered the art of sound bites - her answers are brief and to the point - she gracious about praising Victor Buono - the actor from San Diego she's work with - she shares a few interesting details about her current movie WHTBJ but she doesn't lose focus

I wonder if she had some special PR training from Pepsi specifically for this type of communication.

These aren't necessarily skills she would have learned from working in movies...

Maybe the questions and answers were prepared in advance and the questions were given to the local reporter.

Regardless, she gives a first rate interview performance here - I think, there are few celebrities today who could handle this type of interview as well

Joan's twins may have been cute as children...

but by the time this photo was made, it looks like their Tennessee farm gal DNA was already kicking in

She's very clearly drunk in this interview. Her voice goes an octave lower, and her speech is more deliberate and slow. It's sad that in most of the footage of her speaking from Baby Jane on she's in various stages of drunkness. It does surprise me, knowing how image conscious she was, that she allowed herself to be interviewed in that state. Though, this one isn't nearly as bad as some others I've seen. I wonder if she thought people couldn't tell.

In the few videos where's she's sober in her later era, she is quite poised and elegant. While I think Faye did a fine job in Mommie Dearest, she really didn't capture her essence in her later years. I think Lange came closer.

OP's video, circa 1962 versus R62's video from 1968...

shows how much Joan's alcoholism progressed in those 6 years

And she apparently didn't stop drinking until she was diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer in 1976 or 1977

Never saw this footage before. Yikes.

[quote]While I think Faye did a fine job in Mommie Dearest, she really didn't capture her essence in her later years. I think Lange came closer.

Agreed, Faye's performance was not nuanced - she made Joan a caricature

Lange was able to show some of the fear and fragility

Amazing how Joan could be such an angry prude as she got older

given the hedonistic and rebellious behavior of her own youth

Those twins were really a couple of prize heifers

R78 Faye gets WAY into it, but it's also a byproduct of the lousy writing that it turned out the way it did. It's a remarkable performance, in some ways great, in some ways not.

Jessica Lange had superior material to work with and brought something out that I do see in these interview videos. Joan was scared, yet confident. She couldn't control the circumstances of her life as she had done up to the mid 50s, and it freaked her out.

I like Joan and even prefer Joan's acting to Bette's generally

Bette really twisted the knife in Joan's back by treating her so badly on HHSC that Joan walked away from that movie

And that ultimately made Joan uninsurable and kept her from working as much as she could have otherwise

Ironic, given that Joan found the WHTBJ story and brought it to the producers and to Bette, which gave Bette all those new opportunities

They were both extreme narcissist...and Joan underestimated Bette in that final round

But both of them were ill-used by the industry and the culture in general

Agreed, R75, R78, and R81. Lange was sublime.

❤️

Feud gives me life, death, and resurrection.

“Not yOoOuUu, bitch!”

The Anne Bancroft scene was such exquisite perfection.

“I AM SORRRYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!”

Mama brought the rage and the fragility. :chef’s kiss:

Wow, Jessica Lange was really good in "Divine Feud"

I thought Baby Jane? was a comedy...

R73, movies stars of Joan's era were expected to give gracious, controlled, discreet interviews, so perhaps she received some training at MGM. By 1964, she had a lot of practice and was very image conscious. That probably helped as well.

Did Bette hate Anne Bancroft after she won? I know how angry she became at actors repeating their Broadway successes on screen..

I think Bette hated every almost other actor who was a woman.

She tolerated some of them, like Olivia de Havilland and Elizabeth Montgomery, because they flattered her and went out of their way to let her know they wouldn't compete with her.

Bette was still telling that story up to the time of her death about how Joan persuaded Anne Bancroft to let her accept her Oscar, then kept it for a year, "bathing it in the waters of the world", before presenting it to Bancroft at a press event

So yeah, I think Bette hated both of them for that.

Lol its so funny how obsessed she was with getting a third. Did she ever comment on that old turnip Kate Hepburn having double her tally?

R94, Bette stretched the truth a bit. Joanie presented the Oscar to Anne on May 7, 1963, a month after the ceremony, April 8, 1963. And yes, Bette kept telling that story 'til the very end, and poor Joan was no longer around to correct her.

Anne looks like shit r96...

R82's pic was altered. This is original.

It was altered for the better R98

"You're all just bit players in my mind," as Bette would've said

"And stay the fuck outta my camera angle!"

I think Anne was probably in costume for her Broadway show "Mother Courage" in that photo

But she was wise not to compete with Joan

On the night of the Academy awards, a male friend of Bette's made the mistake of saying, "Well, you've got to admit Joan looked glamorous tonight."

Bette got so angry she threw him out of her house.

R100, Yes, Joan presented the Oscar to Anne on the set of "Mother Courage and Her Children." I don't know if it was after the performance or during intermission, but what's interesting is how Joan is respendent in her evening finery as if it were just hours after the Oscar ceremony, not one month later. She could've just put on a smart suit, but La Crawford knew how to make the front pages.

Jessie gave a good performance, as always, but Joan Crawford usually had a haughty, almost brusque authority. For instance, she was on the smaller side, but her ramrod bearing made her seem much taller.

The Crawford in Feud most often seems more fluid than that. To my thinking, anyway.

R100 did that actually happen or was it just the scene from Feud?

Joan was more fragile than Bette. Bette out -cunted them all.

Again, r104...

Cunts