you gurls are so snarky about Armie & Timmy, so come up with better casting for the remake.
So, who would YOU have cast for the two leads in Call Me by Your Name?
|by Producer||reply 74||11/23/2020|
Shia LeBeouf or Logan Lerman for Oliver. TC is ok as Elio but many could have played him.
|by Producer||reply 1||11/21/2020|
Richard Madden as Elio
Froy as Oliver.
John Travolta as the dad
|by Producer||reply 2||11/21/2020|
Couldn't care less as one of them. I didn't think much of the movie to begin with as the other one.
|by Producer||reply 3||11/21/2020|
Timmy as Elio. I read the book twice before I ever heard of Timmy, but I pictured someone who looked somewhat like him. There could be no other Elio.
Aaron Tveit was always Oliver to me.
|by Producer||reply 4||11/21/2020|
Ross Mathews and Fankie Grande.
|by Producer||reply 5||11/21/2020|
OP. Getting shoved feet first into a wood chipper. Slowly.
|by Producer||reply 6||11/21/2020|
Nothing was wrong with Chalamet, the problem was Hammer looked like a 40 year old pervert. They shouldn’t have cast anyone older than 25 in the role.
|by Producer||reply 7||11/21/2020|
I loved them both but I’m still annoyed they played hardball about not showing dong and won. They knew when they agreed to be in the film what would be expected.
|by Producer||reply 8||11/21/2020|
I'd cast OP and anyone else who calls Frogman Timothy Chalamet "Timmy" into the ocean.
|by Producer||reply 9||11/21/2020|
And I would cast r9 in my toilet so he can eat the shit that comes out of my ass the very instant it comes out of my ass.
|by Producer||reply 10||11/21/2020|
Chalamet is perfect as Elio. Hammer was completely inappropriate for Oliver, even the bits where his actual real-life personality (asshole) overlaps with Oliver's he couldn't get it right.
Hammer could work as Oliver if a film is ever made of Find Me, because Oliver is full-blown asshole in that so all Hammer has to do is be himself, but he's probably too useless an actor even for that.
|by Producer||reply 11||11/21/2020|
I just know I wouldn't have cast Timmy. He's way too young looking. Armie is gorgeous and he was perfectly cast. He's a good actor. He may be an asshole in reall ife but he is a good actor.
|by Producer||reply 12||11/21/2020|
Nobody cares about Timotie Calumet.
|by Producer||reply 13||11/21/2020|
The actor playing the dad pinged more gay than timmy and hammer COMBINED.
The role that was perfectly cast was MALFADA.
|by Producer||reply 14||11/21/2020|
[quote]The actor playing the dad pinged more gay than timmy and hammer COMBINED.
Hadn't he been bi or something?
It was on TV here in London and I DVRd it. I need to refresh my memory.
|by Producer||reply 15||11/21/2020|
[quote] I just know I wouldn't have cast Timmy. He's way too young looking
THE CHARACTER IS SEVENTEEN
|by Producer||reply 16||11/21/2020|
Hammer might have been okay if the actor playing Elio were a little more mature looking. Given that Timothy was chosen for Elio, someone younger should have been chosen for Oliver. But the real problem, IMHO, is the script. The book itself was no masterpiece, but what little there was in the book was completely lost in the adaptation by (the way beyond his prime) James Ivory. So much of the story (in the book) depended on what was going on in Elio's mind, and that was completely gone from the script. I think a younger, more creative screenwriter could have actually made a good movie out the book.
|by Producer||reply 17||11/21/2020|
[quote]The role that was perfectly cast was MALFADA.
|by Producer||reply 18||11/21/2020|
Literally ANYONE but Timothee Chalamet. He's so repulsive.
The rest of the cast is fine.
|by Producer||reply 19||11/21/2020|
I would leave Timothee as Elio but then get Michele Morrone to play Oliver.
|by Producer||reply 20||11/21/2020|
R17 That is the main complication when adapting something from the page with a very heavy interior monologue on to the screen. Usually it is done with an extensive voiceover, which I think would have killed the movie, bogging it down making Elio seem too whiny and overly self involved. I think a lesser, and more inexperienced screenwriter would have defaulted to that, so in that regard I’m glad Ivory was there to save it from happening.
I actually think scenes like the bathing suit on the head and the sex with the peach are extremely well done conveying feelings, emotions and desires and much of that owes to Timmy internalizing the text, maybe even more from the book then they script, and improvising and exploring having some of those actual feelings. I think that is his strength as an actor, you see it all there in his performance. So, I disagree with you and he was given the Oscar for best adapted screenplay and I don’t think in any way that was because of his age or stature, Hollywood isn’t that kind.
|by Producer||reply 21||11/21/2020|
Agree the miscast was Hammer. In the novel Elio was 17 yo and Oliver was a 23 yo grad student. That is a hard age to cast and the pool of actors to pick from is limited. I would have gone with Jeremy Irvine as Oliver. He was very good in War Horse. Even though he is a Brit his physicality would not have overwhelmed pubescent looking Chalamet. The coupling would have been more visually appropriate less pedo. It would have been the sweet summer romance it was in the novel. Instead due to Hammer we got Lolita 2.0.
|by Producer||reply 22||11/21/2020|
My ideal Oliver would have been someone like Bryan Greenberg around the first season of One Tee Hill, he was 24/25 but was still playing teenagers. Oliver ideally should be very good looking, but within the believable realm of an academic Jew.
|by Producer||reply 23||11/21/2020|
Alex Pettyfer was 25/26 in this very Oliver-seque photo but he still had this aspect of boyish virility. Oliver’s story is about the end of boyhood, and Armie Hammer was already very visibly years into manhood when he played the part.
|by Producer||reply 24||11/21/2020|
I don’t recall, was there a mandate, either explicit or implicit, that both actors be Jewish? Was it that there were limited Jewish actors in the age range of Oliver? Was there also a need for a “named” actor for the role since in reality Elio would most likely need to be an unknown? What of that one actor from Modern Family, would he have been a possibility for Elio? I saw that he’s playing an underage actor who’s molested by a talent scout in an upcoming movie, so it seems he would have been open to the role?
|by Producer||reply 25||11/21/2020|
[quote]Was there also a need for a “named” actor for the role since in reality Elio would most likely need to be an unknown?
Probably for reasons of financing.
|by Producer||reply 26||11/21/2020|
Judaism was a huge part of the novel since it deals with Jewish neuroses like masculine inferiority.
|by Producer||reply 27||11/21/2020|
Jackie Coogan and Errol Flynn!
|by Producer||reply 28||11/21/2020|
HRH is Ollie
|by Producer||reply 29||11/21/2020|
Nicholas Hoult. I think he would have been about 25 at the time of filming and plays nerdy scholar well.
|by Producer||reply 30||11/21/2020|
I like the idea of Nicholas Hoult or Jeremy Irvine as Oliver and Logan Lerman as Elio.
|by Producer||reply 31||11/21/2020|
The movie was a crushing bore, and rather sleazy. Like a porn movie with all the sex taken out. Chalamet's poker face/absence of expression left you bewildered. Hammer was too old and though tall and model good-looking, exudes zero sex appeal.
I found myself looking at the lush scenery.
I just wouldn't have greenlit it. What was the point? It just gives Qanon more anti-pedo recruiting material.
|by Producer||reply 32||11/21/2020|
It’s an Ambient Movie
|by Producer||reply 33||11/21/2020|
R33 Lol, I sometimes put on my iPad either the three Sujan songs on YouTube or the actual film on Prime to fall asleep to.
|by Producer||reply 34||11/21/2020|
Nicholas Hoult in the Armie role
|by Producer||reply 35||11/21/2020|
[quote] Nothing was wrong with Chalamet, the problem was Hammer looked like a 40 year old pervert. They shouldn’t have cast anyone older than 25 in the role.
I loved the movie, but I can understand why some people felt uncomfortable. Oliver may have been 23-24 on the page, but Hammer definitely looked much older. I think they were really going for the physical juxtaposition of slight, lean Elio with tall, beefy, all-American Oliver, but unfortunately the differences were so vivid that it also made him look like a predator.
They needed to find someone like a younger Matt Smith, who could carry the larger physicality but also would look like a man in his mid-20s, someone in a PhD program.
|by Producer||reply 36||11/21/2020|
A thoroughly bathed and meticulously groomed Charlie Hunnam for the Armie role.
|by Producer||reply 37||11/21/2020|
[quote]Jewish neuroses like masculine inferiority.
Doesn't this affect all men now?
|by Producer||reply 38||11/21/2020|
[quote]I like the idea of Nicholas Hoult or Jeremy Irvine as Oliver
[quote]Nicholas Hoult in the Armie role
[quote]A thoroughly bathed and meticulously groomed Charlie Hunnam for the Armie role.
Why all the goyim?
|by Producer||reply 39||11/21/2020|
It's pathetic that it's almost impossible to think of a young, 30 years old maximum actor today who could have played the part of Oliver. The role isn't even that complicated but it does require a sense of curiosity and some inner conflict, which Hammer can't pull off.
|by Producer||reply 40||11/21/2020|
"Oliver’s story is about the end of boyhood" - Elio's story could conceivably be about the end of boyhood r24, but Ollie is a grad student, writing a study on Greek philosophers, acting as secretary to a professor, about to get married and supposedly has a degree of worldly experience.
|by Producer||reply 41||11/21/2020|
Oliver definitely has to have a confidence, earned or not, and the ability to play a mentor of sorts to Elio (not in an obvious way, but by example). And so many actors in the late 20s age range play needy man babies.
|by Producer||reply 42||11/21/2020|
Lakeith Stanfield would have been perfect for Oliver
|by Producer||reply 43||11/21/2020|
Kellie Marie Tran as Elio
|by Producer||reply 44||11/21/2020|
Elio - Kevin Williams
Oliver - Mike Henson
|by Producer||reply 45||11/21/2020|
Oliver needs a cockiness which I don’t think is valued as a quality in young actors anymore. A great cocky actor like Aaron Tveit (who would have made a fantastic Oliver circa Catch Me If You Can) doesn’t even get good roles in Hollywood - the best he gets outside Broadway is a Hallmark Christmas movie.
Armie Hammer was never cocky, just spoiled and imperious.
|by Producer||reply 46||11/21/2020|
Troye Sivan as Elio and
|by Producer||reply 47||11/21/2020|
Stephen Amell and Colton Haynes.
"Call me by your arrow"
It doesn't seem as pervy as ratface boy and wannabe Batman
|by Producer||reply 48||11/21/2020|
Ben Whishaw as Oliver.
|by Producer||reply 49||11/21/2020|
Another one of them
|by Producer||reply 50||11/21/2020|
Could Froy have pulled off Jewish?
|by Producer||reply 51||11/21/2020|
Timothee was perfect. Zac Efron IS Oliver.
|by Producer||reply 52||11/21/2020|
LOL @ zac Efron as an academic.
|by Producer||reply 53||11/21/2020|
I think we can all agree it should have Max Gail somewhere in it.
|by Producer||reply 54||11/21/2020|
R54 can you imagine if he'd played the dad, the one who suggested he'd had his own "explorations" in younger days?
|by Producer||reply 55||11/21/2020|
[quote]Could Froy have pulled off Jewish?
Why is the jewish thing important?
Why's Ben wearing lipstick @ R49? - I know he needs a makeover, but...
|by Producer||reply 56||11/21/2020|
Colton would have been good (looking) but can he act?
|by Producer||reply 57||11/21/2020|
Because r56 Elio’s particular neuroses about his masculinity stem directly from the Nice Jewish Boy dilemma:
The nice Jewish boy is a stereotype of Jewish masculinity that circulates within the American Jewish community, as well as in mainstream American culture. In Israel and the parts of the diaspora which have received heavy exposure to the American media that deploy the representation, the stereotype has gained popular recognition to a lesser extent.
The qualities which are ascribed to the nice Jewish boy are derived from the Ashkenazic ideal of אײדלקײַט (eydlkayt, either "nobility" or "delicateness" in Yiddish). According to Daniel Boyarin's Unheroic Conduct (University of California Press, 1997), eydlkayt embraces the studiousness, gentleness and sensitivity that is said to distinguish the Talmudic scholar and make him an attractive marriage partner.
The resistance that a Jewish male may launch against this image in his quest to become a "regular guy" has found its place in Jewish American literature. Norman Podhoretz, the former editor of Commentary, made the following comment about Norman Mailer's literary and "extracurricular" activities:
He spent his entire life trying to extirpate what he himself called the 'nice Jewish boy' from his soul, which is one of the reasons he has done so many outrageous things and gotten into trouble, including with the police. It's part of trying to overcome that lifelong terror of being a sissy.
For Philip Roth's semi-autobiographical avatar Alex Portnoy, neither the nice Jewish boy nor his more aggressively masculine counterparts (the churlish Jewboy, the "all-American" ice hockey player) prove to be acceptable identities to attain. The ceaseless floundering between the two fuels Portnoy's Complaint.”
|by Producer||reply 58||11/21/2020|
It is not a coincidence that both Phillip Portnoy and Elio Perlman are driven so neurotic by the Nice Jewish Boy dilemma that both end up sodomizing food.
|by Producer||reply 59||11/21/2020|
Martha Raye, involved in a love so forbidden, we dare not speak its name...
with Carol Burnett as the mother
|by Producer||reply 60||11/21/2020|
Timothee was a fine Elio.
Aaron Taylor Johnson as Oliver though
|by Producer||reply 61||11/21/2020|
He seems so dumb, R61 - that would just be another casting based on very good looks only.
|by Producer||reply 62||11/21/2020|
R48 that can be the remake on Netflix 😆
|by Producer||reply 63||11/21/2020|
r61 He looks way too much like Chalamets more athletic older brother. It'd just add a different degree of weirdness to the relationship.
|by Producer||reply 64||11/21/2020|
Armie was miscast leading to the pedo vibe. Most actors his age have more range and look younger. Any could have pulled it off.
|by Producer||reply 65||11/22/2020|
[quote] I loved the movie, but I can understand why some people felt uncomfortable. Oliver may have been 23-24 on the page, but Hammer definitely looked much older.
Armie was only about 23 when Luca got the hots for him (Social Network) and the project had a lot of delay.
|by Producer||reply 66||11/22/2020|
Christopher Plummer as Oliver
Noah Schnapp as Elio
|by Producer||reply 67||11/22/2020|
[quote] Oliver - Mike Henson
Yeah. Mike Henson really projected doctoral level intelligence.
|by Producer||reply 68||11/22/2020|
r67 Finally. Someone who understands my artistic vision.
|by Producer||reply 69||11/22/2020|
[quote]Richard Madden as Elio
Oliver is supposed to be 24. Richard Madden hasn't looked believably 24 since he was a teenager.
|by Producer||reply 70||11/22/2020|
R25 Here, this is the kid I’m talking about, Nolan Gould, who would have been turning 18 in 2016 so old enough to play Elio. He’s much more jacked now, but most likely would have been beefier than Timmy at that time. I don’t watch the show so I don’t know about his acting chops, but like I said I saw a movie preview where he’s the object of desire for a gay man so those roles don’t seem to frighten him.
|by Producer||reply 71||11/23/2020|
Strange that anyone would suggest Ben Wishaw who was 40 last month? He's just about old enough to be Elio's Dad.
|by Producer||reply 72||11/23/2020|
[quote] Yeah. Mike Henson really projected doctoral level intelligence.
How about me then? I was the one who came up with the idea of the hidden camera bag!
|by Producer||reply 73||11/23/2020|
R73 Dear Mr. Davenport,
Thank you for guiding me to your impressive body of work. You remind of the one that I told Elio had gotten away.
Based on your portfolio you are invited to apply for the postdoctoral residency for Summer 2021 (pandemic conditions permitting). Hurry though; the deadline is Nov. 30.
Sincerely, S. Perlman, Ph.D.
|by Producer||reply 74||11/23/2020|