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So, who would YOU have cast for the two leads in Call Me by Your Name?

you gurls are so snarky about Armie & Timmy, so come up with better casting for the remake.

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by Anonymousreply 74November 23, 2020 11:13 PM

Shia LeBeouf or Logan Lerman for Oliver. TC is ok as Elio but many could have played him.

by Anonymousreply 1November 21, 2020 1:03 PM

Richard Madden as Elio

Froy as Oliver.

John Travolta as the dad

by Anonymousreply 2November 21, 2020 1:06 PM

Couldn't care less as one of them. I didn't think much of the movie to begin with as the other one.

by Anonymousreply 3November 21, 2020 1:12 PM

Timmy as Elio. I read the book twice before I ever heard of Timmy, but I pictured someone who looked somewhat like him. There could be no other Elio.

Aaron Tveit was always Oliver to me.

by Anonymousreply 4November 21, 2020 1:15 PM

Ross Mathews and Fankie Grande.

MARY!!!

by Anonymousreply 5November 21, 2020 1:17 PM

OP. Getting shoved feet first into a wood chipper. Slowly.

by Anonymousreply 6November 21, 2020 1:20 PM

Nothing was wrong with Chalamet, the problem was Hammer looked like a 40 year old pervert. They shouldn’t have cast anyone older than 25 in the role.

by Anonymousreply 7November 21, 2020 1:23 PM

I loved them both but I’m still annoyed they played hardball about not showing dong and won. They knew when they agreed to be in the film what would be expected.

by Anonymousreply 8November 21, 2020 1:25 PM

I'd cast OP and anyone else who calls Frogman Timothy Chalamet "Timmy" into the ocean.

by Anonymousreply 9November 21, 2020 1:30 PM

And I would cast r9 in my toilet so he can eat the shit that comes out of my ass the very instant it comes out of my ass.

by Anonymousreply 10November 21, 2020 1:32 PM

Chalamet is perfect as Elio. Hammer was completely inappropriate for Oliver, even the bits where his actual real-life personality (asshole) overlaps with Oliver's he couldn't get it right.

Hammer could work as Oliver if a film is ever made of Find Me, because Oliver is full-blown asshole in that so all Hammer has to do is be himself, but he's probably too useless an actor even for that.

by Anonymousreply 11November 21, 2020 1:33 PM

I just know I wouldn't have cast Timmy. He's way too young looking. Armie is gorgeous and he was perfectly cast. He's a good actor. He may be an asshole in reall ife but he is a good actor.

by Anonymousreply 12November 21, 2020 1:35 PM

Nobody cares about Timotie Calumet.

by Anonymousreply 13November 21, 2020 1:38 PM

The actor playing the dad pinged more gay than timmy and hammer COMBINED.

The role that was perfectly cast was MALFADA.

by Anonymousreply 14November 21, 2020 1:40 PM

[quote]The actor playing the dad pinged more gay than timmy and hammer COMBINED.

Hadn't he been bi or something?

It was on TV here in London and I DVRd it. I need to refresh my memory.

by Anonymousreply 15November 21, 2020 1:42 PM

[quote] I just know I wouldn't have cast Timmy. He's way too young looking

THE CHARACTER IS SEVENTEEN

by Anonymousreply 16November 21, 2020 1:45 PM

Hammer might have been okay if the actor playing Elio were a little more mature looking. Given that Timothy was chosen for Elio, someone younger should have been chosen for Oliver. But the real problem, IMHO, is the script. The book itself was no masterpiece, but what little there was in the book was completely lost in the adaptation by (the way beyond his prime) James Ivory. So much of the story (in the book) depended on what was going on in Elio's mind, and that was completely gone from the script. I think a younger, more creative screenwriter could have actually made a good movie out the book.

by Anonymousreply 17November 21, 2020 1:46 PM

[quote]The role that was perfectly cast was MALFADA.

Mafalda, caro.

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by Anonymousreply 18November 21, 2020 1:53 PM

Literally ANYONE but Timothee Chalamet. He's so repulsive.

The rest of the cast is fine.

by Anonymousreply 19November 21, 2020 2:04 PM

I would leave Timothee as Elio but then get Michele Morrone to play Oliver.

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by Anonymousreply 20November 21, 2020 2:15 PM

R17 That is the main complication when adapting something from the page with a very heavy interior monologue on to the screen. Usually it is done with an extensive voiceover, which I think would have killed the movie, bogging it down making Elio seem too whiny and overly self involved. I think a lesser, and more inexperienced screenwriter would have defaulted to that, so in that regard I’m glad Ivory was there to save it from happening.

I actually think scenes like the bathing suit on the head and the sex with the peach are extremely well done conveying feelings, emotions and desires and much of that owes to Timmy internalizing the text, maybe even more from the book then they script, and improvising and exploring having some of those actual feelings. I think that is his strength as an actor, you see it all there in his performance. So, I disagree with you and he was given the Oscar for best adapted screenplay and I don’t think in any way that was because of his age or stature, Hollywood isn’t that kind.

by Anonymousreply 21November 21, 2020 2:16 PM

Agree the miscast was Hammer. In the novel Elio was 17 yo and Oliver was a 23 yo grad student. That is a hard age to cast and the pool of actors to pick from is limited. I would have gone with Jeremy Irvine as Oliver. He was very good in War Horse. Even though he is a Brit his physicality would not have overwhelmed pubescent looking Chalamet. The coupling would have been more visually appropriate less pedo. It would have been the sweet summer romance it was in the novel. Instead due to Hammer we got Lolita 2.0.

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by Anonymousreply 22November 21, 2020 2:24 PM

My ideal Oliver would have been someone like Bryan Greenberg around the first season of One Tee Hill, he was 24/25 but was still playing teenagers. Oliver ideally should be very good looking, but within the believable realm of an academic Jew.

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by Anonymousreply 23November 21, 2020 2:26 PM

Alex Pettyfer was 25/26 in this very Oliver-seque photo but he still had this aspect of boyish virility. Oliver’s story is about the end of boyhood, and Armie Hammer was already very visibly years into manhood when he played the part.

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by Anonymousreply 24November 21, 2020 2:34 PM

I don’t recall, was there a mandate, either explicit or implicit, that both actors be Jewish? Was it that there were limited Jewish actors in the age range of Oliver? Was there also a need for a “named” actor for the role since in reality Elio would most likely need to be an unknown? What of that one actor from Modern Family, would he have been a possibility for Elio? I saw that he’s playing an underage actor who’s molested by a talent scout in an upcoming movie, so it seems he would have been open to the role?

by Anonymousreply 25November 21, 2020 2:35 PM

[quote]Was there also a need for a “named” actor for the role since in reality Elio would most likely need to be an unknown?

Probably for reasons of financing.

by Anonymousreply 26November 21, 2020 2:36 PM

Judaism was a huge part of the novel since it deals with Jewish neuroses like masculine inferiority.

by Anonymousreply 27November 21, 2020 2:37 PM

Jackie Coogan and Errol Flynn!

by Anonymousreply 28November 21, 2020 2:45 PM

HRH is Ollie

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by Anonymousreply 29November 21, 2020 2:48 PM

Nicholas Hoult. I think he would have been about 25 at the time of filming and plays nerdy scholar well.

by Anonymousreply 30November 21, 2020 3:03 PM

I like the idea of Nicholas Hoult or Jeremy Irvine as Oliver and Logan Lerman as Elio.

by Anonymousreply 31November 21, 2020 3:05 PM

The movie was a crushing bore, and rather sleazy. Like a porn movie with all the sex taken out. Chalamet's poker face/absence of expression left you bewildered. Hammer was too old and though tall and model good-looking, exudes zero sex appeal.

I found myself looking at the lush scenery.

I just wouldn't have greenlit it. What was the point? It just gives Qanon more anti-pedo recruiting material.

by Anonymousreply 32November 21, 2020 3:05 PM

It’s an Ambient Movie

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by Anonymousreply 33November 21, 2020 3:07 PM

R33 Lol, I sometimes put on my iPad either the three Sujan songs on YouTube or the actual film on Prime to fall asleep to.

by Anonymousreply 34November 21, 2020 3:20 PM

Nicholas Hoult in the Armie role

by Anonymousreply 35November 21, 2020 3:26 PM

[quote] Nothing was wrong with Chalamet, the problem was Hammer looked like a 40 year old pervert. They shouldn’t have cast anyone older than 25 in the role.

I loved the movie, but I can understand why some people felt uncomfortable. Oliver may have been 23-24 on the page, but Hammer definitely looked much older. I think they were really going for the physical juxtaposition of slight, lean Elio with tall, beefy, all-American Oliver, but unfortunately the differences were so vivid that it also made him look like a predator.

They needed to find someone like a younger Matt Smith, who could carry the larger physicality but also would look like a man in his mid-20s, someone in a PhD program.

by Anonymousreply 36November 21, 2020 3:31 PM

A thoroughly bathed and meticulously groomed Charlie Hunnam for the Armie role.

by Anonymousreply 37November 21, 2020 3:33 PM

[quote]Jewish neuroses like masculine inferiority.

Doesn't this affect all men now?

by Anonymousreply 38November 21, 2020 3:38 PM

[quote]I like the idea of Nicholas Hoult or Jeremy Irvine as Oliver

[quote]Nicholas Hoult in the Armie role

[quote]A thoroughly bathed and meticulously groomed Charlie Hunnam for the Armie role.

Why all the goyim?

by Anonymousreply 39November 21, 2020 3:50 PM

It's pathetic that it's almost impossible to think of a young, 30 years old maximum actor today who could have played the part of Oliver. The role isn't even that complicated but it does require a sense of curiosity and some inner conflict, which Hammer can't pull off.

by Anonymousreply 40November 21, 2020 4:28 PM

"Oliver’s story is about the end of boyhood" - Elio's story could conceivably be about the end of boyhood r24, but Ollie is a grad student, writing a study on Greek philosophers, acting as secretary to a professor, about to get married and supposedly has a degree of worldly experience.

by Anonymousreply 41November 21, 2020 4:31 PM

Oliver definitely has to have a confidence, earned or not, and the ability to play a mentor of sorts to Elio (not in an obvious way, but by example). And so many actors in the late 20s age range play needy man babies.

by Anonymousreply 42November 21, 2020 4:42 PM

Lakeith Stanfield would have been perfect for Oliver

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by Anonymousreply 43November 21, 2020 4:47 PM

Kellie Marie Tran as Elio

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by Anonymousreply 44November 21, 2020 4:49 PM

Elio - Kevin Williams

Oliver - Mike Henson

by Anonymousreply 45November 21, 2020 4:59 PM

Oliver needs a cockiness which I don’t think is valued as a quality in young actors anymore. A great cocky actor like Aaron Tveit (who would have made a fantastic Oliver circa Catch Me If You Can) doesn’t even get good roles in Hollywood - the best he gets outside Broadway is a Hallmark Christmas movie.

Armie Hammer was never cocky, just spoiled and imperious.

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by Anonymousreply 46November 21, 2020 5:03 PM

Troye Sivan as Elio and

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by Anonymousreply 47November 21, 2020 5:19 PM

Stephen Amell and Colton Haynes.

"Call me by your arrow"

It doesn't seem as pervy as ratface boy and wannabe Batman

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by Anonymousreply 48November 21, 2020 5:19 PM

Ben Whishaw as Oliver.

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by Anonymousreply 49November 21, 2020 5:19 PM

Another one of them

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by Anonymousreply 50November 21, 2020 5:20 PM

Could Froy have pulled off Jewish?

by Anonymousreply 51November 21, 2020 5:48 PM

Timothee was perfect. Zac Efron IS Oliver.

by Anonymousreply 52November 21, 2020 5:49 PM

LOL @ zac Efron as an academic.

by Anonymousreply 53November 21, 2020 6:26 PM

I think we can all agree it should have Max Gail somewhere in it.

by Anonymousreply 54November 21, 2020 6:49 PM

R54 can you imagine if he'd played the dad, the one who suggested he'd had his own "explorations" in younger days?

by Anonymousreply 55November 21, 2020 7:04 PM

[quote]Could Froy have pulled off Jewish?

Why is the jewish thing important?

Why's Ben wearing lipstick @ R49? - I know he needs a makeover, but...

by Anonymousreply 56November 21, 2020 7:20 PM

Colton would have been good (looking) but can he act?

by Anonymousreply 57November 21, 2020 7:21 PM

Because r56 Elio’s particular neuroses about his masculinity stem directly from the Nice Jewish Boy dilemma:

Per wiki:

The nice Jewish boy is a stereotype of Jewish masculinity that circulates within the American Jewish community, as well as in mainstream American culture. In Israel and the parts of the diaspora which have received heavy exposure to the American media that deploy the representation, the stereotype has gained popular recognition to a lesser extent.

The qualities which are ascribed to the nice Jewish boy are derived from the Ashkenazic ideal of אײדלקײַט (eydlkayt, either "nobility" or "delicateness" in Yiddish). According to Daniel Boyarin's Unheroic Conduct (University of California Press, 1997), eydlkayt embraces the studiousness, gentleness and sensitivity that is said to distinguish the Talmudic scholar and make him an attractive marriage partner.[70]

The resistance that a Jewish male may launch against this image in his quest to become a "regular guy" has found its place in Jewish American literature. Norman Podhoretz, the former editor of Commentary, made the following comment about Norman Mailer's literary and "extracurricular" activities:

He spent his entire life trying to extirpate what he himself called the 'nice Jewish boy' from his soul, which is one of the reasons he has done so many outrageous things and gotten into trouble, including with the police. It's part of trying to overcome that lifelong terror of being a sissy.[71]

For Philip Roth's semi-autobiographical avatar Alex Portnoy, neither the nice Jewish boy nor his more aggressively masculine counterparts (the churlish Jewboy, the "all-American" ice hockey player) prove to be acceptable identities to attain. The ceaseless floundering between the two fuels Portnoy's Complaint.”

by Anonymousreply 58November 21, 2020 8:47 PM

It is not a coincidence that both Phillip Portnoy and Elio Perlman are driven so neurotic by the Nice Jewish Boy dilemma that both end up sodomizing food.

by Anonymousreply 59November 21, 2020 8:49 PM

Imogene Coco

and

Martha Raye, involved in a love so forbidden, we dare not speak its name...

with Carol Burnett as the mother

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by Anonymousreply 60November 21, 2020 8:58 PM

Timothee was a fine Elio.

Aaron Taylor Johnson as Oliver though

by Anonymousreply 61November 21, 2020 9:05 PM

He seems so dumb, R61 - that would just be another casting based on very good looks only.

by Anonymousreply 62November 21, 2020 10:55 PM

R48 that can be the remake on Netflix 😆

by Anonymousreply 63November 22, 2020 5:17 AM

r61 He looks way too much like Chalamets more athletic older brother. It'd just add a different degree of weirdness to the relationship.

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by Anonymousreply 64November 22, 2020 5:31 AM

Armie was miscast leading to the pedo vibe. Most actors his age have more range and look younger. Any could have pulled it off.

by Anonymousreply 65November 23, 2020 12:04 AM

[quote] I loved the movie, but I can understand why some people felt uncomfortable. Oliver may have been 23-24 on the page, but Hammer definitely looked much older.

Armie was only about 23 when Luca got the hots for him (Social Network) and the project had a lot of delay.

by Anonymousreply 66November 23, 2020 3:37 AM

Christopher Plummer as Oliver

Noah Schnapp as Elio

by Anonymousreply 67November 23, 2020 3:41 AM

[quote] Oliver - Mike Henson

Yeah. Mike Henson really projected doctoral level intelligence.

by Anonymousreply 68November 23, 2020 3:42 AM

r67 Finally. Someone who understands my artistic vision.

by Anonymousreply 69November 23, 2020 5:29 AM

[quote]Richard Madden as Elio

Oliver is supposed to be 24. Richard Madden hasn't looked believably 24 since he was a teenager.

by Anonymousreply 70November 23, 2020 5:50 AM

R25 Here, this is the kid I’m talking about, Nolan Gould, who would have been turning 18 in 2016 so old enough to play Elio. He’s much more jacked now, but most likely would have been beefier than Timmy at that time. I don’t watch the show so I don’t know about his acting chops, but like I said I saw a movie preview where he’s the object of desire for a gay man so those roles don’t seem to frighten him.

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by Anonymousreply 71November 23, 2020 5:18 PM

Strange that anyone would suggest Ben Wishaw who was 40 last month? He's just about old enough to be Elio's Dad.

by Anonymousreply 72November 23, 2020 6:20 PM

[quote] Yeah. Mike Henson really projected doctoral level intelligence.

How about me then? I was the one who came up with the idea of the hidden camera bag!

by Anonymousreply 73November 23, 2020 7:49 PM

R73 Dear Mr. Davenport,

Thank you for guiding me to your impressive body of work. You remind of the one that I told Elio had gotten away.

Based on your portfolio you are invited to apply for the postdoctoral residency for Summer 2021 (pandemic conditions permitting). Hurry though; the deadline is Nov. 30.

Sincerely, S. Perlman, Ph.D.

by Anonymousreply 74November 23, 2020 11:13 PM
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