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The Constitution is up for a lot of amendments after Trump and the GOP.

His maverick and unethical activities aided and driven by the GOP have highlighted gaps and inconsistencies that have allowed the bypassing or manipulation of the Constitution.

by Anonymousreply 60Last Sunday at 4:10 AM


by Anonymousreply 111/20/2020

If nothing else, Trump has demonstrated our government is only as effective as the people who run it.

There are a lot of traitorous Republicans right now

by Anonymousreply 211/20/2020

What specifically, op?

by Anonymousreply 311/20/2020

As if.

by Anonymousreply 411/21/2020

Do you know what’s required to amend the constitution op?

R4 is right.

by Anonymousreply 511/21/2020

Good luck with that, unless you have a majorly of the both the house and senate and the presidency. That last time that happened was in 1992.

by Anonymousreply 611/21/2020

Even with a congressional majority, R6, you’ll need a good chunk of red state America, too. Not going to happen.

by Anonymousreply 711/21/2020

Well I guess it depends on how much shit comes out after the Secret Service drags Dump's ass out of there. Congress needs to reign in the Executive Branch, to which it has ceded too much power. All this 'executive order' bullshit has to go.

by Anonymousreply 811/21/2020

You need 75% of state legislatures to ratify. See that happening?

by Anonymousreply 911/21/2020

Just because one sees it difficult does not mean there's not a need. Think replacing fossil fuels.

by Anonymousreply 1011/21/2020

OP is a moron.

by Anonymousreply 1111/21/2020

OP is right.

by Anonymousreply 1211/21/2020

R11 OP is not a moron. The Constitution certainly with respect to the Executive Branch has to an extent relied on the character of those filling the office of POTUS. Those norms have been tested by testy orangeness.

After the failures of intelligence which left us exposed to 9/11, there was a commission established to review those failures with an eye to fixing them. Same should happen now. We need a full laundry list of all the norms that need to be instituted as legal rules. For example, shouldn't future candidates be required to provide their tax returns?

by Anonymousreply 1311/21/2020

The electoral college should have passed on Trump. It couldn’t, of course, but that is its purpose.

by Anonymousreply 1411/21/2020

The electoral college is useless. Trash it. I’d like to see the President elected by the popular vote, but that won't ever happen.

Jobs that require Senate approval - limit the time a temporary appointee can occupy the position. Also, limit his power.

Executive orders - limit them.

We need a better way to depose of a President. Trump should have been deposed years ago. Amendment t 25 is useless. It needs to be completely rewritten.

For starters.

by Anonymousreply 1511/21/2020

I don't understand people who say this or that will never happen. I see it a lot here. I guess the can-do American mojo is gone. I think these attitudes may also skew old.

by Anonymousreply 1611/21/2020

There are only two we need:A Constitutional amendment to ban dark money and overturn the Citizens United decision. And elimination ofthe electoral College. The rest can be addressed with laws and legislation. The problem is getting people who will ENFORCE the fucking Law. We need a strong ethical DoJ and we need to change the way Congress does business. McConnell abused power and ignored laws. Since when can he block evidence and witnesses from testifying and since when can the fucking executive branch ignore subpoenas and just get a strongly worded letter from the House? That needs to change. We need serious aggressive enforcement when people are in contempt or ignore legal instruments to compel their testimony. I can't even.

by Anonymousreply 1711/21/2020

We won’t get 3/4ths of the state legislatures and 2/3rds of Congress to agree on anything for a long, long time.

by Anonymousreply 1811/21/2020

I never got why, since the House of Representatives has "the power of the purse" why they didn't exercise it. If they subpoena the Secretary of the Treasury, or they demand he release the taxes, etc. and he ignores them, or he changes their deadline arbitrarily, he has to feel the burn. Impound his fucking budget. Fine him. rescind something. But back his ass against the wall and keep it there. Nadler and even Pelosi were too timid with those fuckers. This might sound nuts, but every time they were in a situation like we saw, and there were, unfortunately many such situations, they should have asked themselves, "What would the Republicans do if this were Obama and the Dems acting out?"

by Anonymousreply 1911/21/2020

We need to flip more states. Or at least elect majorities in the state legislatures and elect more governors. Honestly? The Republicans ought to never get elected to public office again for a generation. They need to be dismantled. Right now the Dems have 24 governors. Not sure how many Legislatures. People need to understand how it works. Like, I heard a lot of talk about Mass Incarceration. It is a legitimate issue. But people need to focus on the states and the state corrections systems and the criminal justice systems and state laws and judges. People get caught up in a PResidential election but 2022 is just around the corner and you better believe the Republicans are already planning how they will regain the House and hold the Senate. The stupid squabbling on the Left is gonna fuck us up. The need for compromise within the Democratic PArty is critical.

by Anonymousreply 2011/21/2020

R19, I think the Dems are praying that they can protect the last few “norms” that are left. Give me a goddamn break. We passed that four years ago. And no OP, this will never ever ever happen.

by Anonymousreply 2111/21/2020


dark money Citizens United Enforcement the way Congress does business

All of these you mention may not be accomplished under Biden but he can start the work under pressure from the progressives. This Congress is still paid by corporate money. It can be done only by young progressives not by old neoliberals.

by Anonymousreply 2211/21/2020

[Quote] And no OP, this will never ever ever happen.

Ok boomer.

by Anonymousreply 2311/21/2020

Aside from Biden the Democrats did horribly in 2020 picking up NO new state legislature. The same legislature that will have to ratify any new amendments. Plan B of waiting for boomers to die also doesn’t seem that sensible. I think the only amendment that might pass is shortening the transition. It’s crazy to wait two months for the new President to take over.

by Anonymousreply 2411/21/2020

OP PLEASE, I’m not a Boomer — just a highly highly highly cyclamate, jaded, pessimistic Gen Xer. If you’re convinced this will happen, please tell us how. I’m sincerely asking. It’s not like I don’t want it to happen! I DO want change.

by Anonymousreply 2511/21/2020

[quote] The phrase “Eliminate the electoral college” is used for two different things.

The first is to simply eliminate the gathering of people who cast votes exactly according to how their state voted. We don’t need that. Well, we do need it, in the sense that they should have refused to vote for Trump . But since that didn’t happen, the group is vestigial and should be eliminated. Just count the votes and tally them.

The second meaning of it is to eliminate the gathering of people [italic] and [/italic] just count the national popular vote. This will never pass because the low-population states have a lot of power with the current design, and they won’t give it up.

Yes, we need to get rid of Citizen’s United. Either through carefully crafted legislation, or a constitutional amendment.

by Anonymousreply 2611/21/2020

The constitution needs an update as it cannot serve the people as it is today.

by Anonymousreply 2711/21/2020

I’ll add, Biden should increase the SCOTUS to 15. In the same legislation, let it fall back to 11 through attrition. We need to increase from 9 to 11 because their workload has increased.

And this business where the Senate can refuse to hold a hearing and vote for months on a President’s SCOTUS nominee (McConnall/Obama) is BS. We need a “Creep Amendment” to prevent that in the future.

by Anonymousreply 2811/21/2020

OK GenX! 😂

Look, r25 I'm not a politician. This forum is really just for lightweight fun. I come here to throw ideas in the ring and enjoy your responses. I didn't come here to be prescriptive.


Since you ask, so prettily ...

I think we need a group of young progressives (like the young Republicans in the Clinton admin) to steer the big creaky status quo DP with a progressive agenda for change. Kinda equivalent of the Contract for America. I rather think a non-identity politics approach centering on Middle America would be my pref.

Or we need a third progressive party allianced to the DP. A second party, if you are wont to be cynical 🤣 Who knows, if the Dump keeps going, the GOP may also split into regular conservative and altright fascist groups.

R25 Most work is always done by a few. Most change comes from the few. It takes time and strategy. Vision and courage too.

by Anonymousreply 2911/21/2020

The Republicans want a “Constitutional Convention”, which is another way to change the Constitution. Once it is convened for one purpose. It can completely rewrite the Constitution. It’s not a good thing, but it’s been approved by almost enough states to proceed. Red states of course.

by Anonymousreply 3011/21/2020

I’m r25, terrible typo, meant “cynical”.

I agree with you BTW. I would get right in line behind an agenda to correct these issues IF I think the strategy is smart and that we don’t set ourselves up to fail. All of my cynicism comes from the Rethugs, not Dems. The other thing is that to do this requires such a huge bipartisan agreement that I don’t fathom how you think we can “flip” that many in the GOP. As long as McTurtle is in power, I don’t see how you think this will happen. But again, it’s what I want too, and if the younger Progressives build a coalition that can create the pressure, I’m in.

The best thing that could EVER happen is McTurtle dying. The KY governor could appoint a Dem, yes?

by Anonymousreply 3111/21/2020

The Governor of KY is a Democrat but Kentucky is super red. Any Democrat he picked would have to be very conservative.

Even Covid can't kill any of these high profile Republicans so I don't think McTurtle is going anywhere soon. Real bastards live forever.

by Anonymousreply 3211/21/2020

R25 We need to think outside the box. Starting out by counting Senate seats is like counting beans.

You first gotta change minds to cause a mental paradigm shift on HOW we understand governance and society. Like say, David Graeber, RIP, did to put the idea of the 1% in the public mind.

We've been consistently deteriorating since the Vietnam War and sorely need a spit and shine. Or there will always be people like Reagan and Trump to exploit weakness in the way we see ourselves. That's what I think anyway.

I think it's more important to get behind the exploration of an idea than to line up behind a successful piece of legislation. But, ultimately, what do I know.

by Anonymousreply 3311/21/2020

[quote]I can't even.

Can’t what?

by Anonymousreply 3411/21/2020

[quote] The first is to simply eliminate the gathering of people who cast votes exactly according to how their state voted. We don’t need that. Well, we do need it, in the sense that they should have refused to vote for Trump . But since that didn’t happen, the group is vestigial and should be eliminated.

If the people in their state voted for him, then they should have. We don’t want to be seen as trying to overturn the will of the people too.

by Anonymousreply 3511/21/2020

The purpose of the electoral college is to prevent a clown like Trump from becoming President, regardless of the vote. Remember, we vote for electors, not for President. The electors are supposed to be thoughtful, educated, and wise.

by Anonymousreply 3611/21/2020

r11 is correct-- OP is a moron. Many people in this thread don't appear to understand what the Constitution does and does not do. You can make big changes through legislation. Most of the things mentioned in this thread can't be achieved by amending the Constitution. Also, it is really hard to change the Constitution by design.

by Anonymousreply 3711/21/2020

Both Dump and Sanders could have been avoided by making it mandatory that presidential candidate release their tax returns.

by Anonymousreply 3811/21/2020

Yes r38!!!!!! But do we need a Constitutional Amendment to see tax returns??? The parties could simply make it a requirement, would be much easier.

by Anonymousreply 3911/21/2020

[quote] The purpose of the electoral college is to prevent a clown like Trump from becoming President, regardless of the vote. Remember, we vote for electors, not for President. The electors are supposed to be thoughtful, educated, and wise.

Yeah, OK. And when a blue state like New York says, “Biden is a clown, we’re going trump” what then?

They should be crucified if they don’t vote the way their state has voted, regardless of who that is.

What if the electors in Michigan thought that this time around? What if Georgia, which hasn’t been blue in years said, “we’re not a blue state! Trump it is”?

by Anonymousreply 4011/21/2020

R40, I described why we have the electoral college in the first place, not why it simply won’t work, today. This is why we should dump it and just go with the state vote as certified by whomever, the Sec of State for the state, or whomever.

by Anonymousreply 4111/21/2020

Amy Klobuchar was trying to drive this home during the primaries, but since Berners are stupid and Russian propaganda brainwashed partisan hacks they didn't get it.

A democracy is a government system where the people rule by electing their representatives. If democrats had executive, judicial and legislative power for the last 20 years there wouldn't be an electoral college, climate change, social injustice, wide spread racism, Fox News, gender inequality...

by Anonymousreply 4211/21/2020

Stop putting Trump and Bernie Sanders in the same category. You're making a false equivalence, and you know it.

by Anonymousreply 4311/21/2020

Both Dump and Bernie received dirty Russian oligarch money with the purpose to weaken Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

The whole squad is getting propped up with dirty money.

It's all about divide and conquer!

by Anonymousreply 4411/21/2020

[quote]Yes [R38]!!!!!! But do we need a Constitutional Amendment to see tax returns??? The parties could simply make it a requirement, would be much easier.

The requirements for the presidency are in Article 2 of the Constitution.

[quote]No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

There are no other requirements, and if there were, they'd have to be added to this.

by Anonymousreply 4511/21/2020

I think it's time to make a list highlighting all the similarities between the far left and the far right.

I'll start:

Bernie refused to sign Russian sanctions bills and the Magnitsky act.

by Anonymousreply 4611/21/2020

The media will actively sabotage any attempts to overturn Citizens United. Why? Because they are the prime beneficiaries.

by Anonymousreply 4711/21/2020

What a bunch of loser nervous nellies. No wonder they cant get workers, away from thr GOP. Oh wait. Not can't. Won't.

by Anonymousreply 4811/21/2020

[quote]The Governor of KY is a Democrat but Kentucky is super red. Any Democrat he picked would have to be very conservative.

I'm okay with that, maybe someone slightly to Manchin's left. The Democratic Party once included people like Sam Nunn. I know he wasn't the sort of Democrat Dataloungers long for, but we should broaden our horizons a bit. We could pick up some seats with Democrats who're conservative on defense or law and order, but support collective bargaining, a sturdier social safety net, and more funding for education, K-Ph.D.

by Anonymousreply 4911/21/2020

^ hehehe funny!

by Anonymousreply 5011/21/2020

Do we need a constitutional amendment to say the A president cannot pardon his friends or himself?

by Anonymousreply 5111/21/2020

Let geeky mister beat show you the way

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by Anonymousreply 5211/21/2020

Be careful what you wish for. As was previously posted, once a convention to amend the US Constitution is duly convened, everything is on the table.

by Anonymousreply 5311/22/2020

Too much has been left to the individual. That is now clear. The powers of the POTUS need to be spelled out constitutionally.

by Anonymousreply 54Last Saturday at 7:11 PM

Amending the US Constitution is not an easy nor sure process. Last time it was done gave us Prohibition, and I presume you know what that unfortunate movement lead to... Well among other thing the next and last time USC was amended, to get rid of Prohibition.....

If things could be predicted to have a certain outcome GOP would have carried out their threats to push for amending Constitution to ban same sex marriage.

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by Anonymousreply 55Last Saturday at 7:23 PM

There is a whole wish list containing scores of proposed amendments to US Constitution that went no where; anti-abortion and banning same sex marriage are but a few in recent memory.

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by Anonymousreply 56Last Saturday at 7:26 PM

Just because something is difficult doesn't mean it should not be done. Many good things are not easy.

by Anonymousreply 57Last Saturday at 7:51 PM

It isn't just the difficulty, but as mentioned uncertain outcome. It would be a huge amount of upheaval just to correct issues that may never arise again.

Besides as stated there are far easier ways (such as via enacting legislation) to deal with issues that have arisen during current administration. Well easier than trying to amend US Constitution anyway.

by Anonymousreply 58Last Saturday at 9:31 PM

[Quote] issues that may never arise again.

I think it is highly likely that the issues will rise again and more powerfully. See the Dump as the logical result of GOP policies since Reagan and I thnk it should be clear.

by Anonymousreply 59Last Saturday at 9:58 PM

[quote]Last time it was done gave us Prohibition, and I presume you know what that unfortunate movement lead to... Well among other thing the next and last time USC was amended, to get rid of Prohibition.....

There have been six more constitutional amendments since the repeal of Prohibition. Try to keep up, R55.

by Anonymousreply 60Last Sunday at 4:10 AM
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