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Why were the Brooke Shields Calvin Klein Jeans commercials so controversial back then?

I get she was 14/15 in the ads, but she isn’t doing anything inappropriate. I remember some parents being upset by these commercials at the time, but even then I never got why they were an issue.

PS she was such a beautiful young woman. It’s weird how her face shape changed so much as she got older. Her soft jaw became wider and more masculine. She had such gentle, feminine features and then became masculine. Odd.

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by Anonymousreply 21013 hours ago

Because a little girl was telling the world she was freeballing.

by Anonymousreply 1Last Friday at 4:05 PM

Older conservative women were upset at the flaunting of Brooke's butt on TV. The slow moving camera close-ups of a young teen were not the norm at the time.

Of course a wide variety of women rushed out to buy skin tight jeans. Sergio Valente to the more costly brands. Many were thrilled that the emphasis had suddenly switched from big boobs to toned behinds.

by Anonymousreply 2Last Friday at 4:13 PM

She was one of the most beautiful teens ever

by Anonymousreply 3Last Friday at 4:13 PM

R3 agreed. I remember seeing her in The Blue Lagoon and thinking “what a gorgeous girl”.

Years later in the 90s I remember seeing her and thinking “still pretty but what happened to that level of beauty she once had?”

I always wondered what looked different and her jaw (and her face in general) looked different as she got older.

Some conspiracy theorists say the real Brooke was murdered and what we have now is a clone lmao

by Anonymousreply 4Last Friday at 4:17 PM

Shields had a history that informed the reaction. She had been photographed nude as a child by a professional photographer. She'd played a child prostitute etc.

by Anonymousreply 5Last Friday at 4:17 PM

She was very beautiful

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by Anonymousreply 6Last Friday at 4:17 PM

Nothing cums between me and my Calvins.

by Anonymousreply 7Last Friday at 4:17 PM

Shields and Lauren Bacall were probably the most beautiful teenage models.

by Anonymousreply 8Last Friday at 4:18 PM

She developed into quite a good actress, especially in comedy. Good for her.

by Anonymousreply 9Last Friday at 4:18 PM

A compilation of her commercials.

On top of women being outraged she was being sexualized at 14/15, the one where she is with a (beautiful) grown man upset many.

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by Anonymousreply 10Last Friday at 4:20 PM

Dyan Cannon freeballed first. I think there was false hope the look would fade when the Red-haired tap dancer waddled about with a mooseknuckle on squeek. Along came that head of hair attached to the perfect V-shaped body.

It was an astro-turfed campaign by Big Pharma to create demand for over the counter generic gynelotrimin. A nation of chafed cooter makes conservative decisions.

by Anonymousreply 11Last Friday at 4:33 PM

After the celebrity of her childhood and teen years faded, most people assumed she just faded away as an adult actress. In fact she's had a career in TV and theater that most actresses would kill for. We've been discussing here lately in the theater threads.

by Anonymousreply 12Last Friday at 6:03 PM

She was very beautiful with natural glamour to her. Just like Jennifer Connelly and Sherilynn Fenn. Christopher Atkins and James Spader were also beauties too.

by Anonymousreply 13Last Friday at 6:09 PM

She seems nice.

by Anonymousreply 14Last Saturday at 2:03 AM

She was pushed by an ambitious and later bat-shit crazy mother.

How she survived it all is a miracle.

by Anonymousreply 15Last Saturday at 3:01 AM

Whats not to get about the controversy? She was an underage girl in a sexually suggestive commercial. It would never fly now.

by Anonymousreply 16Last Saturday at 3:05 AM

It was basically glorifying pedophilia

by Anonymousreply 17Last Saturday at 3:09 AM

Man the 70s and 80s were amazing

by Anonymousreply 18Last Saturday at 4:08 AM

It seemed okay for some reason in the 60s to 90s to sexualize teenagers. I don't know if it was the Foucaltian Postmodern Sexual Revolution mumbo jumbo.

Aside from Brooke Shields who is the most infamous and sexualized even as a child with that disgusting Playboy shoot and Pretty Baby. You had films like Lolita both 60s and 90s version. You had all those European art films. You had all those teen magazines that sexualized teen boys with racy spreads like Leif Garrett, David Cassidy, Donnie Osmond etc. Also Phoebe Cates in Fast Times,, Christian Slater in The Name of The Rose and Matt Dillon in Little Darlings.

Even in the 90s you had Natalie Portman, Brad Renfro, Britney Spears, Usher, Jessica Biel, IMX, Destiny's Child, Aaliyah, Christina Aguilera and Justin Timberlake sexualized before they turned 18.

by Anonymousreply 19Last Saturday at 9:46 AM

Yeah. Tiger Beat etc is before my time but I watched the Outsiders TV series a while back and googled some of the actors. One of those mags had Jay R. Ferguson posing in a crop top. He looked 13 or 14.

by Anonymousreply 20Last Saturday at 9:56 AM

I like Brooke Shields. She seems a good sort. It’s amazing she turned out as functional and level-headed as she has. Still a very beautiful woman.

by Anonymousreply 21Last Saturday at 10:19 AM

I forgot that Rosario Dawson was only 15 in the movie Kids. But her parents were on set keeping an eye on her. Apparently Larry Clark did have the parents around when shooting the film which makes it less creepy but still...

by Anonymousreply 22Last Saturday at 10:26 AM

I liked the Martha Plimpton ones better.

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by Anonymousreply 23Last Saturday at 10:49 AM

My Calvin Klein ads were the best, yo!

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by Anonymousreply 24Last Saturday at 10:52 AM

She's definitely well-spoken. She and Chris Atkins. Kinda sad how many young stars today talk like airheads

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by Anonymousreply 25Last Saturday at 11:06 AM

Mark Wahlberg is a trash person but fuck he was sexy.

by Anonymousreply 26Last Saturday at 3:02 PM

Because she was all ratted up like a teenage Jezebel.

by Anonymousreply 27Last Saturday at 3:16 PM

I think young Christopher Atkins was equally if not more beautiful. And he was generous enough to show us everything too

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by Anonymousreply 28Last Saturday at 3:41 PM

No. Not remotely.

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by Anonymousreply 29Last Saturday at 3:44 PM

R29 He looks beautiful in that picture too. Do you think there is a male counterpart to Brooke's beauty?

by Anonymousreply 30Last Saturday at 4:09 PM

No. He’s cute. Not beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 31Last Saturday at 4:11 PM

Rodney Harvey was luscious. Impressive eyebrows and full lips, like Brooke.

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by Anonymousreply 32Last Saturday at 4:12 PM

Jon Erik Hexum and Brooke would have looked amazing together. I think he likes shorties, though.

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by Anonymousreply 33Last Saturday at 4:15 PM

*liked

by Anonymousreply 34Last Saturday at 4:15 PM

I remember reading an article around 1980 describing how people age. They showed how Brooke would look in 30 years - and it’s almost dead on. I think it had to do with her jaw being wide and other facial features - at 17 the features looked gorgeous and refined but as it filled out looked masculine.

I love Brooke and have a ton of respect for her. Never a bad thing said and seems like a really decent human being - which is a huge achievement.

by Anonymousreply 35Last Saturday at 5:57 PM

I think Ilan Mitchell-Smith was beautiful. Especially in that scene in Weird Science where he comes out wearing a jockstrap and a crop top.

His film career was extremely brief but he was in three 80s cult classics, The Wild Life, Weird Science and The Chocolate War. Ilan's now an academic with published material, so intelligent too.

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by Anonymousreply 36Last Saturday at 6:04 PM

You like mild sort of faces, I see.

by Anonymousreply 37Last Saturday at 6:06 PM

R37 I don't know about mild but probably faces that are emotionally "expressive" or "warm" indicative of a pleasant or humorous personality.

Another women I think were absolutely striking were Vanity, Jennifer Connelly and Vanessa Williams.

by Anonymousreply 38Last Saturday at 6:15 PM

Rob Lowe seemed like the counterpart to Brooke Shields. Way too pretty to be taken seriously as an actor until later on when he got into TV roles.

I remember watching this old movie called Class where Rob Lowe's MILF mother played by Jacqueline Bissett sleeps with his best friend played by Andrew McCarthy. John Cusack plays one of the male classmates. Anyway, the premise of a cougar sleeping with a likely underage schoolboy would not fly today.

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by Anonymousreply 39Last Saturday at 6:27 PM

R11, put down the crack pipe.

I was at her 16th birthday at Studio 54. She was beyond beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 40Last Saturday at 6:29 PM

Ezra Miller and Amy Shumer had a sex scene in a comedy a few years ago.

by Anonymousreply 41Last Saturday at 6:31 PM

Rob Lowe is a good choice. Unlike Brooke, he seems like a creep.

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by Anonymousreply 42Last Saturday at 6:31 PM

In that Rob Lowe sex tape (the legal one). He looks like he is sucking the guy off but it's so blurry (80s VHS - to be expected) it's still hard to tell for sure.

by Anonymousreply 43Last Saturday at 6:46 PM

Keanu also reached his ultimate beauty in the 90s. My Own Private Idaho, Speed, Dracula and Matrix captured him in his glory.

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by Anonymousreply 44Last Saturday at 6:47 PM

Keanu often has bloatface.

by Anonymousreply 45Last Saturday at 6:48 PM

He and Rob did a movie together with Patrick Swayze too called Youngblood

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by Anonymousreply 46Last Saturday at 6:48 PM

Best thing about Youngblood was Rob's ass.

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by Anonymousreply 47Last Saturday at 6:49 PM

Rob Lowe seems to be like the Alain Delon of the 80s. Beautiful on the outside, rotten on the inside. Knowing society will treat him better for his looks and taking full advantage of it. There are beautiful people who are lovely and kind but also ones who are selfish and sociopathic. Beauty is an accident of genetics and doesn't reflect your personality. Oscar Wilde warned us about this with The Picture of Dorian Gray. Rob is a Republican/conservative despite likely sleeping his way for roles and (most likely) sucking his friend's dick in that sex tape.

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by Anonymousreply 48Last Saturday at 7:07 PM

R44 90s Keanu was hot. He's never been involved in a scandal all these years?

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by Anonymousreply 49Last Sunday at 12:48 AM

River Phoenix was beautiful too especially with short hair since it showed his facial structure better. His eccentric but charming personality added a lot too. Though he had bad acne so not "perfect" perfect. However he looked pretty bad before he died due to losing too much weight.

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by Anonymousreply 50Last Sunday at 2:51 AM

Phoenix was a beautiful, sensitive actor. He wasn't a great beauty, visually.

by Anonymousreply 51Last Sunday at 9:24 AM

R20 - I used to buy those Tiger Beat type mags in the 70's. I couldn't understand why they always seemed to featur Leif Garrett - I didn't know who he was and thought he was really strange looking.

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by Anonymousreply 52Last Sunday at 9:42 AM

I used to be in love with Rob Lowe. Such a gorgeous young man he was. Everyone I knew found him beautiful.

A few years ago I showed a female friend a film with him when he was a teen and she was taken aback by his beauty. She knew him as Parks and Recreation Rob Lowe or The West Wing Lowe, never watched any teenage Lowe stuff.

by Anonymousreply 53Last Sunday at 9:56 AM

Were any of you OUTRAGED that Rob deigned to date Melissa Gilbert?

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by Anonymousreply 54Last Sunday at 9:58 AM

Rob Lowe is beautiful but boring as an actor. People who look like him do not need to have any talent, skill or likable personality because everything is handed to them. Rob came from a boring middle class household too. Henry Cavill and Matt Bomer are also gorgeous but boring as dry paint as well.

River Phoenix had an insane and terrible life that sounds almost fictional. It's no wonder he was so good at acting, he was used to being in so many bizarre situations in real life that everything in movies was believable to him. He just happened to also being the most attractive of his homely siblings which helped but he didn't even know he was attractive and frequently dressed sloppy which added to his charm

by Anonymousreply 55Last Sunday at 10:12 AM

R52 Non-threatening feminine-looking boys tend to be popular with tween girls. Usually they age out of it and start preferring more masculine looking guys.

Also, I read a theory about birth control pills effects on women's attraction. Apparently women when they are on the pill favor feminine men because they aren't as interested in sex and want more emotional relationship. However I really just think women in general tend to be more flexible and have a higher tolerance of odd-looking men if they like other qualities about them.

Men on the other hand, I think we tend to be very visual and very rigid about what we like and the higher sex drive.

by Anonymousreply 56Last Sunday at 10:30 AM

The differences in the emphasis women and men place on looks disappear when women and men have similar economic power.

by Anonymousreply 57Last Sunday at 10:33 AM

Rob Lowe was very funny in "Behind the Candelabra." He was also effective in "Wayne's World."

by Anonymousreply 58Last Sunday at 10:34 AM

[Quote] he didn't even know he was attractive

There is no actor in the world who doesn't know where they fit in the pecking order. Every actor knows their "type."

by Anonymousreply 59Last Sunday at 10:35 AM

R59 I don't think life is like high school and given that River Phoenix was forced into acting and only did it as a filial obligation, he probably didn't pay too much attention to that Hollywood bullshit

by Anonymousreply 60Last Sunday at 10:38 AM

Nonsense. Actors go through a million auditions. It's impossible not to attend to what people think of you - every aspect of you from appearance, voice, personality etc.

You're just being a fangirl by deifying your fave.

by Anonymousreply 61Last Sunday at 10:40 AM

R61 I'm a guy. How others perceive you and how you perceive yourself do not align. That's why we have body dysmorphia and that's why we have narcissism as well. I know many attractive people who think they aren't attractive and even if they hear praise from others they will deny it or seem puzzled. People who tend to be abused or bullied in childhood tend to never see themselves as beautiful even if they blossom into their looks. The human mind is a funny thing like that. Same relates to intelligence with the Dunning-Kruger effect which many stupid people think they are smart (the current climate in The US proves that this is even more common than ever). And of course, many smart people think they aren't smart and they tend to ask the most questions and are always trying to find new information.

by Anonymousreply 62Last Sunday at 10:52 AM

[quote]I remember seeing her in The Blue Lagoon and thinking “what a gorgeous girl”.

Something was wrong with me, I saw parts of Blue Lagoon and was captivated by the scenery. I watched until the end so I could see where ii was filmed. It was filmed on Turtle Island.

by Anonymousreply 63Last Sunday at 11:02 AM

It was her age that made the commercials controversial. If a grown woman had done them nobody would have batted an eye, but this was a heavily painted up very young teen girl making those sexually suggestive comments. But that was Brooke Shield's career back then. She was promoted as a sex symbol before she was even 13 years old. I think she was only ten when her crazy mother had her photographed in some "artistic" nude photos, which featured a heavily made up Brooke Shields, her nude child's body out there for the world to see. Later on Shields and her mother sued to keep the pictures from being displayed ever again, but they lost the lawsuit due to the fact that Teri Shields had signed a release form and therefore had no legal recourse. What the hell kind of mother lets her 10 year old daughter get photographed in the nude? I thought Teri Shields should have been arrested for child abuse. But hey, it was the seventies. Anything was ok back then.

by Anonymousreply 64Last Sunday at 11:16 AM

You said "he didn't even know he was attractive," not "he never felt attractive." Those are two different things.

by Anonymousreply 65Last Sunday at 11:20 AM

R57 If men and women ever become economic equals would that shift the standard of attractiveness? Evolutionary-wise, it seems a lot of women evolved to find men who are bigger and stronger more attractive and also men who are wealthier and successful attractive as well. Which makes perfect sense. But it seems that because men have historically been in power, women are more tolerant of men's physical imperfections because they have been indoctrinated with the idea men are innately of a higher status so their looks should not matter. While because heterosexual men have historically held dominance of society, they pushed the idea of women being more beautiful hence women place more emphasis on their physical beauty. So it seems expected that the woman must always look more beautiful than the guy in pairings.

R65 Whatever.

by Anonymousreply 66Last Sunday at 11:25 AM

"I love Brooke and have a ton of respect for her. Never a bad thing said and seems like a really decent human being."

I don't think she's that "decent." She bearded for the child molesting Michael Jackson for years. In fact, she was the one who pursued HIM. She begged him to take her to the Grammys with him. LaToya Jackson said MJ asked her to intervene, tell Shields to back off, but she said no, it's your problem, you deal with it. He ended up taking her (and Emmanuel Lewis) as his date. I guess she adored the publicity of being Michael Jackson's "girlfriend"; he was maybe the most popular entertainer in the world at that time. The thrill started to wear off as Jackson became more and more bizarre and the sexual abuse allegations against him started to heat up. When asked how she felt about him she previously would say "I love him dearly" but then refused to comment about him at all. She distanced herself from him and hadn't had anything to do with him for year, but that didn't stop her from popping up to eulogize him at his televised memorial service. I think all this says a lot about Brooke Shield's character, which doesn't seem very admirable to me.

by Anonymousreply 67Last Sunday at 11:29 AM

I think Brooke also had empathy for Michael because they both were exploited as kid stars and she identified strongly with him. Even Barbra Streisand said MJ could not help it and deserved sympathy and Macaulay Culkin defended him. Hollywood people in general tend to not only think they are above the law but also live in this alternative postmodern reality of debauchery that they grow so accustomed to it and it seems so normal that they don't understand why regular people would be shocked by it. Hell, Brooke probably even thought MJ was tame and innocent compared to the other weirdos she was surrounded with. Leif Garret said in his autobiography that MJ asked him once how to masturbate when they were both teens and he gave MJ a porn mag and sent him away.

by Anonymousreply 68Last Sunday at 11:37 AM

Could not help what?

by Anonymousreply 69Last Sunday at 11:45 AM

Shields was genuinely attracted to MJ at the time. This was around his Thriller phase and he was the biggest star in the whole world. His talent and work ethic was a turn on for her.

She also was into George Michael for a while and went on a date with him and then later had the same attitude about him that she had about MJ.

by Anonymousreply 70Last Sunday at 11:48 AM

Michael Jackson also was good-looking before he destroyed his face (should have stopped after surgery number one) and bleached (yes he had vitiligo but still doesn't turn your skin to look like that).

George Michael was handsome until he got fat and the drugs and drinking destroyed his looks.

by Anonymousreply 71Last Sunday at 11:51 AM

[Quote]You had all those teen magazines that sexualized teen boys with racy spreads

Were they that racy? They used to be at supermarket checkouts in the 70s. I never opened them because I was too embarrassed and didn't have a sister or good friend who had them. The covers were such innocent puppy love stuff. Donny Osmond, Shaun Cassidy, Mark Hamill. Peter Frampton's open shirt was as racy as the covers got. What do you mean by sexualized boys? What was I missing inside?

by Anonymousreply 72Last Sunday at 11:52 AM

I think Shields was genuinely attracted to Michael Jackson's CELEBRITY, not him. He was always a weirdo.

As for George Michaels, she bearded for him, too. I think it was his celebrity that attracted her too. And he was a good looking guy to be seen with, even though he was a flaming homo.

by Anonymousreply 73Last Sunday at 11:52 AM

R72 This would not fly today. I think Chris Knight was like 15 here.

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by Anonymousreply 74Last Sunday at 11:53 AM

R72 I think they can be considered “racy” when it’s a teen boy wearing shorts and a crop top.

By today’s standards that’s just “gay” but back then it was a way to get them to show a lot of skin while not fully exploiting them

by Anonymousreply 75Last Sunday at 11:53 AM

Another example is 17 year old Justin Timberlake.

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by Anonymousreply 76Last Sunday at 11:55 AM

And don’t get me started on how 16/17 year old Britney Spears was overly sexualized

by Anonymousreply 77Last Sunday at 11:56 AM

Brad Renfro owns this. Apt Pupil and all those photos. Granted he did look older than his age. He was like the male Natalie Portman.

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by Anonymousreply 78Last Sunday at 11:58 AM

Brad Renfro was used and abused. Poor thing.

by Anonymousreply 79Last Sunday at 11:59 AM

God. Milfs loved teenage Timberlake.

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by Anonymousreply 80Last Sunday at 12:00 PM

Timberlake is the definition of a butterface to me. I never thought he was beautiful in the face but I loved his hot body between 2003 to 2012. He looked sexy in Friends with Benefits. He looks ugly now which is his karma for thinking his corny thin-voiced ass was legitimately an heir to Michael Jackson and Prince and of course his shitty treatment Britney and Janet.

JC is the only person in NSYNC I think was good-looking. A lot of girls I know admitted to loving Lance the most (WTF!).

Anyway, if JT looked like he did in Friends with Benefits during his NSYNC tenure I would have crushed on him too.

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by Anonymousreply 81Last Sunday at 12:05 PM

I was talking more about Tiger Beat back my adolescence and early teens (76-80). By Timberlake and Spears' time, yeah, the sexualization was full tilt. I was a pretty dorky, shy, not popular kid so I wasn't the most aware of what my peers were up to.

That picture of the Brady kid, blech. Were pre-prepubescent girls/13-14 year olds really into scrawny bodies? I'd be the last to know. I can see how it would appeal to a gayling coming to understand his sexuality or, shudder, pedos.

by Anonymousreply 82Last Sunday at 12:07 PM

Ummmm r19, I dunno maybe because teens WERE having sex, even pursuing adults instead of being "groomed" like some would like to suggest.

by Anonymousreply 83Last Sunday at 12:08 PM

R83 Is it okay for adults to profit off of teenager's sex appeal and sell it to millions of consumers? Turning them into a mere object to be ogled and consumed. The human brain doesn't finish maturing until 25 and someone in their teen years is still a child mentally in many ways. I think older people should be protecting the young rather than taking sexy photos of them and publishing them in the mass media. We wonder why so many people have warped views on sexuality too. Nobody denies teenagers have sex but they should learn about in a more organic way not from the manufactured and pornographied imagery they see in the media.

by Anonymousreply 84Last Sunday at 12:14 PM

Brooke Shields was into MJ/George Michael like Debbie Reynolds was into Tab Hunter

by Anonymousreply 85Last Sunday at 12:16 PM

Did Brooke fuck Chris Atkins, Martin Hewitt or James Spader? The hot guys she was starring in films with

by Anonymousreply 86Last Sunday at 12:17 PM

No. She fucked Dean Cain.

by Anonymousreply 87Last Sunday at 12:18 PM

Dean is hot despite being a gun nut Republican.

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by Anonymousreply 88Last Sunday at 12:19 PM

Didn't they make Elizabeth Taylor out to be a "sexy siren" when she was still prepubescent? Seems like the entertainment industry has been overly sexualizing kids much longer than the 60s/70s.

by Anonymousreply 89Last Sunday at 12:22 PM

Rob Lowe's parents had been models. Apparently, even prettier than he was. A long ago colleague went to De Pauw with them.

by Anonymousreply 90Last Sunday at 12:26 PM

Interesting, sometimes attractive people make ugly kids or ugly people make attractive kids. Genetics are funny like that.

by Anonymousreply 91Last Sunday at 12:28 PM

His brother didn’t come out as pretty as him and his poor sons didn’t either, despite him believing they are better looking than he was at their ages.

by Anonymousreply 92Last Sunday at 12:28 PM

Brooke looks different as an adult. Both Brookes are beautiful. They young one was a gorgeous model. The current one is handsome and not taking the plastic sugary route makes her more beautiful. Wrinkles and all, make her more attractive than any Hollywood plastic woman in her 50's. She looks like old money, not botoxed Hollywood trash.

one of the best models ever BTW.

by Anonymousreply 93Last Sunday at 12:29 PM

It’s all about which features you get from each parent.

And in some cases, you get some features from someone further back in your bloodline.

My cousin looks nothing like my aunt but looks exactly like our great grandma.

by Anonymousreply 94Last Sunday at 12:30 PM

"Did Brooke fuck Chris Atkins, Martin Hewitt or James Spader? The hot guys she was starring in films with."

If you believe her, no. She claimed she was a virgin until she was 22. And she lost her virginity to Dean Cain.

by Anonymousreply 95Last Sunday at 12:34 PM

His TV son came out handsome AF.

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by Anonymousreply 96Last Sunday at 12:34 PM

[Quote] despite him believing they are better looking than he was at their ages.

He doesn't think that, the lying ass.

by Anonymousreply 97Last Sunday at 12:35 PM

Rob seems like a narcissist. I bet even if his sons came out more beautiful than him, he would die from jealousy.

by Anonymousreply 98Last Sunday at 12:37 PM

Meg Tilly referenced a male co-star who refused to wear a modesty pouch for their sex scene. It was most likely Lowe.

by Anonymousreply 99Last Sunday at 12:46 PM

[quote] Why were the Brooke Shields Calvin Klein Jeans commercials so controversial back then?

Even a decade later Calvin Klein still used the same sexually exploitive message in his Obsession campaign where jailbait models and Kate Moss whispered the perfume's name to the camera like it's a forbidden fruit.

The adults didn't like that a designer used sex to make his product look cool to hormonal teenagers.

by Anonymousreply 100Last Sunday at 12:48 PM

Was he really targeting teenagers?

by Anonymousreply 101Last Sunday at 12:55 PM

r101, you think Calvin Klein was in the mom jeans business? And Marky Mark was shilling CK underwear to senior citizens?

by Anonymousreply 102Last Sunday at 1:00 PM

I would suggest he was using to teenagers to target people with an actual income, i.e. 18 to 34.

by Anonymousreply 103Last Sunday at 1:03 PM

*young people

by Anonymousreply 104Last Sunday at 1:03 PM

Teenagers had lots of income. Mommy's and daddy's income.

by Anonymousreply 105Last Sunday at 1:05 PM

CK was targeting white Upper. Middle Class to Rich peoples teenagers. And it worked. He was huge with white teens (and minority teens) from affluent backgrounds.

by Anonymousreply 106Last Sunday at 1:07 PM

True r106. CK was HUGE in the 90s with upper middle class white teens.

by Anonymousreply 107Last Sunday at 1:16 PM

I remember Abercrombie and Fitch and Hollister also used jailbait models too. They even had A&F Quarterly which was mostly softcore gay porn with muscular teens and twins. It seemed like they were mostly targeting teen girls and gay boys with that

by Anonymousreply 108Last Sunday at 1:18 PM

^ I meant to say twinks but they did have a ton of twin models too.

by Anonymousreply 109Last Sunday at 1:19 PM

Back in the 80s and 90s teens had some money on their own. Allowance and doing the odd jobs like babysitting, mowing neighbors' lawns, newspaper delivery, etc. I believe it started with the early 90s when companies targeted teenagers beyond toys.

[quote] They even had A&F Quarterly which was mostly softcore gay porn with muscular teens and twins.

Shot by Bruce Weber. They were more coffee table art books selling an image branding lifestyle to their teenage / college freshmen customers.

by Anonymousreply 110Last Sunday at 1:22 PM

A&F Quarterly was one step removed from gay porn.

by Anonymousreply 111Last Sunday at 1:22 PM

Teens are big into coffee table books?

by Anonymousreply 112Last Sunday at 1:24 PM

Gay ones were, r112.

by Anonymousreply 113Last Sunday at 1:27 PM

R110 It depends on the demographic too. White upper middle-class preppy suburban teens would eat that crap up. But many were interested in the hip-hop street fashion too hence baggy pants, jerseys and gold chains. Many different teen subcultures. It seems more homogenized now especially thanks to social media and 4 media companies owning everything and easily forcing shit down our throats more.

by Anonymousreply 114Last Sunday at 1:29 PM

[quote]White upper middle-class preppy suburban teens would eat that crap up. But many were interested in the hip-hop street fashion too hence baggy pants, jerseys and gold chains.

White upper middle-class teens were NOT doing the wigger thing. They looked down on other teens who did that, who tended to be lower middle class.

by Anonymousreply 115Last Sunday at 1:32 PM

R115 By the late 90s and post-2000s, hip-hop fashion was pretty mainstream. But I grew up in a small town community that ranged from upper to lower class and I knew many well-off white kids listening to rap and trying to act "street".

by Anonymousreply 116Last Sunday at 1:34 PM

R115 false. By mid 90s the hip hop thing was seen as cool to many young white people. Back then many white teens viewed black teens as “hip” and “cool”.

In modern day white teens are more racist than they were 30 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 117Last Sunday at 1:37 PM

In the 90s in affluent preppy white communities dressing and acting like a wigger was definitely lower-class. It was looked down on.

by Anonymousreply 118Last Sunday at 1:38 PM

And yet, go to a rap concert and the majority of the audience will be young whites.

by Anonymousreply 119Last Sunday at 1:38 PM

Mark Wahlberg was from the streets and helped popularize “wigger” culture. Vanilla Ice also, but he faded fast, while Marky Mark never went away because of his acting career taking off.

Marky Mark’s Calvin Klein campaign was the first ever male underwear ads of its kind to be broadcast on TV. He was also the first male underwear model to be plastered all over the world on billboards, in just his white underwear. It made him a star, and also gave CK underwear a 40% boost in sales from the previous year. That is why he meant so much to them and they paid him so much. He was bringing in money like no other male model did for them prior.

by Anonymousreply 120Last Sunday at 1:41 PM

R118 Yep because of racism. Those Aryan Orange County/Westchester type of communities. That's also why ball culture which was mostly black and Hispanic and working class would take on a lot of high fashion brands and rappers took on preppy/upmarket brands too. As a way to take something that was defined by racism and exclusivity. The Tommy Hilfiger rumor about the brand being angry at black teens for wearing it come to mind too

by Anonymousreply 121Last Sunday at 1:41 PM

R119 even movies about rappers.

When I went to see Straight Outta Compton, about 95% of our audience (and it was packed) were white people. Almost all males, too. A lot of white male groups of friends went to see that.

by Anonymousreply 122Last Sunday at 1:42 PM

Eminem was the final step to making hip-hop completely accessible to white communities and even globally in Europe and Australia. Eminem was a sex symbol to many white girls as well.

by Anonymousreply 123Last Sunday at 1:43 PM

It's different now with affluent white kids. Many of them are in sportswear/activewear all the time. Back in the 90s the preppy look was still prevalent.

by Anonymousreply 124Last Sunday at 1:44 PM

Later the urban fashion trend got replaced by the metrosexual trend where guys like Cristiano Ronaldo and David Beckham promoted high end brands (including Calvin Klein) to younger men like never before.

by Anonymousreply 125Last Sunday at 1:46 PM

Tommy Hilfiger even closed his store in Brooklyn years ago because it was so popular with black and Hispanics. He didn’t want them wearing his clothing because he felt it “lowered” his brands image.

Now with all that has been happening in the world over the past few years he decided to reopen a store in Brooklyn again and even used mostly black and Hispanic models to promote it.

Hypocrite.

by Anonymousreply 126Last Sunday at 1:49 PM

Anyway the point I was making with R114 was that there were more teen subcultures even with the affluent and middle class. You had the ones wearing CK/A&F and others wearing street brands like Ecko and Phat Farm. You also had skater kids wearing Supreme and Zoo York. The emo/scene, the punk and the goth. It seems like everything has merged into one homogenous look that combines elements of everything I listed. Billie Eilish is a walking example of someone who is half hip-hop street and half-scene and emo.

by Anonymousreply 127Last Sunday at 1:49 PM

Billie Eilish seems to wear the same outfit all the time.

by Anonymousreply 128Last Sunday at 1:50 PM

Billie has the scene dyed hair and dark emo type lyrics with the jersey and bagging sweats and trap sound production. She's like Avril Lavigne meets trap/Soundcloud star.

by Anonymousreply 129Last Sunday at 1:55 PM

Very few could reach Brooke's doll-like beauty. Jennifer Connolly and Heather Graham were close. There were other girls who came later that were stunning in a doll-like way like Mila Kunis who Brooke appropriately played her mom on That 70s Show.

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by Anonymousreply 130Last Sunday at 2:28 PM

Mila Kunis is doll like but also kind of piggy.

by Anonymousreply 131Last Sunday at 2:30 PM

Mila was very beautiful like a painting. I agree she's a bit cherubic and not as elegant and sophisticated looking like Brooke was

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by Anonymousreply 132Last Sunday at 2:32 PM

Jennifer Connolly rivaled Brooke and her beauty lasted longer too. Still stunning in "A Beautiful Mind" and "Dark City"

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by Anonymousreply 133Last Sunday at 2:36 PM

Did Brooke ever sing in Japanese?

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by Anonymousreply 134Last Sunday at 2:39 PM

R134 Jennifer manages to sound beautiful and cute despite her obvious poor grasp of the language.

Alyssa Milano was a huge pop star in Japan. She tried in the US with Teen Steam but that was a cringefest. I guess because she was cute and "exotic", Alyssa got signed onto a J-pop label even though she can't sing at all. Alyssa had 5 albums in Japan. She seems extremely embarrassed by this and never brings it up. Yet thankfully YouTube has all the evidence of this.

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by Anonymousreply 135Last Sunday at 2:47 PM

Were all Alyssa's music videos shot on videotape?

by Anonymousreply 136Last Sunday at 2:53 PM

Japan is infamously low-budget and outdated when it comes to film production. All of her videos look like they were made on shoestring budgets.

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by Anonymousreply 137Last Sunday at 2:55 PM

Alyssa's Jpop career is so hilariously embarrassing that she likely avoids the topic. It's on par with Mark Wahlberg as "Marky Mark". This video is hilarious, she's singing live and her backup dancers are putting so much effort and she's just rhythmless trying to dance. She's cute as a button though.

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by Anonymousreply 138Last Sunday at 3:01 PM

She still has more presence than Dua Lipa.

by Anonymousreply 139Last Sunday at 3:03 PM

Because she's enthusiastic, cheerful and trying her best. A lot of stars today act bored, apathetic and rather ungrateful for some reason.

by Anonymousreply 140Last Sunday at 3:05 PM

Marky Mark only had one real hit and Loleatta Holloway's "Love Sensation" sample is what made that song. That's the only reason why it was successful.

For people too young to remember, Marky Mark did not have a huge string of hits. It was really only Good Vibrations.

by Anonymousreply 141Last Sunday at 3:15 PM

Marky Mark was a massive star.

by Anonymousreply 142Last Sunday at 3:20 PM

Marky Mark was a media star, but he wasn't a huge recording artist.

by Anonymousreply 143Last Sunday at 3:22 PM

Wahlberg was pretty much a joke pre Boogie Nights.

by Anonymousreply 144Last Sunday at 3:22 PM

R144 false. He was beloved worldwide.

by Anonymousreply 145Last Sunday at 3:24 PM

Mahky Mahk was good for giving gay guys boners and jack-off material with his exercise tape, He even toured gay clubs because he knew his target demographic.

Calvin Klein ads and music videos. When he became Mark Wahlberg he became boringly straight-oriented despite still showing skin from time to time.

The comments on this video are mostly gay men LOL

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by Anonymousreply 146Last Sunday at 3:25 PM

The majority of his fan base were straight white women. He appealed to all. His manager at the time even said he had a massive female fan base, gay fanbase and even straight male fanbase. He was popular. Whether you liked him or not.

by Anonymousreply 147Last Sunday at 3:27 PM

Mark’s performance in FEAR was critically acclaimed. Even critics who trashed the film praised him in it.

by Anonymousreply 148Last Sunday at 3:28 PM

Marky Mark was a joke as a pop / rap star whose signature move was to drop his trousers on stage. He got more credit for his acting that came after.

by Anonymousreply 149Last Sunday at 3:29 PM

R147 I really doubt this was true. Most people don't care about Marky Mark. He only had one single. Hell Vanilla Ice seemed bigger and is still referenced as a joke and meme.

People know Mark Wahlberg from Three Kings, Boogie Nights, Ted, The Departed but almost no one gives a shit about Marky Mark except gay guys who found him hot like me haha.

Mark Wahlberg has absolutely no talent. His good performances were miracles of directors. Everyone knows he's a scumbag too. He was hot as fuck though.

by Anonymousreply 150Last Sunday at 3:30 PM

R150 are you stupid? Only gays liked him? Only gays weren’t making his films hundreds of millions.

Moron.

by Anonymousreply 151Last Sunday at 3:32 PM

Marky Mark as a musician sold out shows to... mostly white girls. His audiences were almost all female.

by Anonymousreply 152Last Sunday at 3:33 PM

Brooke Shield's beauty peaked in her early teen years then went steadily downhill. As she aged she looked more and more like a tranny. The novelist Scott Spencer, who wrote the novel "Endless Love", was on the set of the movie version of his novel (the movie turned out to be dreadful). He recalled hearing Teri Shields, ever appraising of Brooke's appearance, tell Brooke her face was starting to look "boxy", which annoyed Brooke. But Teri Shields was right; her face DID look boxy in her later years.

by Anonymousreply 153Last Sunday at 3:36 PM

R151 I didn't know Mark Wahlberg of all people had stans on this site? Yeah he was a teen idol who had popularity with teenage girls most likely due to his association with New Kids On The Block and being cute with a nice body. However I don't think his film career had anything to do with Marky Mark.

Also what straight men liked him? Maybe ones that wanted to be beat up. Straight guys were most likely listening to real artists like Tupac, Biggie, A Tribe Called Quest, NWA, Public Enemy, Dr. Dre and Big Daddy Kane.

His Calvin Klein ads proved him marketable. His racist antics were never a secret either.

His early role in Basketball Diaries got him attention and Fear was a blockbuster hit but by that time he was MARK WAHLBERG and I don't think everyone made that connection to Marky Mark unless they followed him. Boogie Nights got him serious acclaim by film critics and he got serious roles after that made him a household name.

I think it's safe to say Marky Mark was an alter ego that enjoyed a brief moment of popularity and he had to reinvent himself as Mark Wahlberg and started over a new page.

by Anonymousreply 154Last Sunday at 3:38 PM

You all speak like people don’t know Mark was a CK underwear model. He’s their most infamous one. And he still speaks of and acknowledges Marky Mark.

by Anonymousreply 155Last Sunday at 4:35 PM

R155 It's good he acknowledges that part of his past of being a stripper who rapped too is what got him famous. Though he ignores the other parts of his past that we all know he did.

by Anonymousreply 156Last Sunday at 4:39 PM

R156 people change.

by Anonymousreply 157Last Sunday at 4:40 PM

R157 He appears to be Republican and criticized actors for being "political" which really translates to "stop spouting liberal nonsense and trying to change the world for the better". Oh and he also said in regards to the past "I forgive myself". Yep really. He tried to get pardoned for his past crimes just to get an alcohol license for Wahlburgers. His brother is also on a show, Blue Bloods that glorifies the police and has white supremacy undertones. I can't believe on a gay site, we are defending a straight man who couldn't a damn about gay rights and admitted to liking Trump.

by Anonymousreply 158Last Sunday at 4:47 PM

Mark still speaks about Good Vibrations with a smile. He has no shame or embarrassment with his music career. He probably appreciates it.

And to people saying he didn’t have a string of hits... he only released one album and 3 singles. Of course he didn’t have a big discography. But 2 out of 3 singles cracked top 10, and 1 of those reached #1 all over the world. The album went Platinum.

That’s a strong debut and finale all on one lol

by Anonymousreply 159Last Sunday at 4:48 PM

He speaks about GV here. And yea, it’s a song that still gets played at games etc. idk how DL acts like it’s some long forgotten song. It’s far from.

This was 2 years ago.

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by Anonymousreply 160Last Sunday at 4:49 PM

R159 I feel bad for white rappers. It took until Eminem for them to be taken seriously because Vanilla Ice and Marky Mark made such a joke of the genre and were clearly just exploiting black culture and music to make money. Maybe they were popular with white teen girls for being cute guys but they made it hard for that genre of music to be taken seriously. Elvis at least admired and respected black artists and was passionate about what he did. Mark just hopped on that culture for profit and while he may reminiscence of it, he damaged the reputation that artists like The Beastie Boys were trying hard to prove that white boys could have soul and rhyme.

by Anonymousreply 161Last Sunday at 4:53 PM

Good Vibrations is a good song. I don’t get why DL is always trashing it.

by Anonymousreply 162Last Sunday at 5:01 PM

Mark dissing Kate Moss. He didn’t really enjoy working with her I guess.

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by Anonymousreply 163Last Sunday at 5:01 PM

The only good thing about Good Vibrations is the beautiful soulful voice of Loleatta Hollaway. Not the visually pleasing but utterly untalented white boy who can't rap for shit.

Speaking of beautiful untalented people. Carmen Electra.

I love Prince but what was he thinking trying to make Carmen a star? Was her pussy that magical that it hypnotized him?

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by Anonymousreply 164Last Sunday at 5:03 PM

She did become a star for a brief moment post Baywatch

by Anonymousreply 165Last Sunday at 5:06 PM

Modeling and acting was fine for Carmen. But her music is terrible. Prince's proteges tend to be pretty but untalented vessels he happens to be fucking that he also wants to use to show off his newest production (Susie, Vanity, Apples, Mayte, etc) but Carmen takes the cake being the most talent-free

by Anonymousreply 166Last Sunday at 5:08 PM

I expect Prince enjoyed the idea of making a recording star of someone without musical talent. It meant his talent was the only necessary talent.

by Anonymousreply 167Last Sunday at 5:08 PM

My mother used to make fun of Vanity.

by Anonymousreply 168Last Sunday at 5:10 PM

Mark discusses his past in music here and what would get him to do music again.

Maybe one day he will release a new single.

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by Anonymousreply 169Last Sunday at 5:11 PM

At least Mark had that singer in the video. Most wouldn’t feature the singer in their video, but he did.

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by Anonymousreply 170Last Sunday at 5:14 PM

I like Vanity as she is stunning, had a funny and sweet personality and endured hell and back. She could not sing or dance at all. But she was a magnetic actress. Purple Rain would have been better with her as Appolonia while beautiful had no charisma and was an awful actress.

Vanity should been a top model but her drug abuse and terrible taste in men ruined her and then she became an Evangelical after almost ODing and had a religious awakening. But I can't blame her she need a coping mechanism and inner-peace. Prince was devastated by her death.

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by Anonymousreply 171Last Sunday at 5:15 PM

Mark’s second single, “Wildside” was a top 10 hit.

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by Anonymousreply 172Last Sunday at 5:16 PM

Boy, did THIS thread run off the rails! I thought it was about Brooke Shields, not Rob Lowe, Mark Wahlberg, Kate Moss, Christopher Atkins, Jennifer Connelly, Alyssa Milano, Brad Renfro, Justin Timberlake, Vanity...

by Anonymousreply 173Last Sunday at 5:17 PM

Apollonia was the worst singer ever. Her singing in Purple Rain was headache-inducing. Prince had to overproduce Apollonia 6 album to cover up her atrocious singing. She's on par with J. Lo with worst singer ever.

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by Anonymousreply 174Last Sunday at 5:19 PM

[quote]idk how DL acts like it’s some long forgotten song. It’s far from.

Nobody said that.

by Anonymousreply 175Last Sunday at 5:24 PM

OK back on topic. Brooke is singing! Not too bad. She looks great!

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by Anonymousreply 176Last Sunday at 5:26 PM

Brooke Shields on Leif Garrett's Variety Hour. Leif was a natural comedic actor and should have done a sitcom because he can't sing. Brooke is way better at comedy than drama, her deadpan sarcastic delivery is great.

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by Anonymousreply 177Last Sunday at 5:30 PM

Vanity had real star quality, and she was absolutely gorgeous. Terribly tragic about the drug abuse, without it she'd have had a bigger career.

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by Anonymousreply 178Last Sunday at 5:31 PM

If Vanity coulda been, she woulda been. And that's show business.

by Anonymousreply 179Last Sunday at 5:41 PM

R172 Wack as fuck. No flow. No cadence. Very flat and monotone. Marky Mark is not a natural rapper at all. Ice-T and LL Cool J had deadpan deliveries they were actual rappers with flow, rhythm and skill. Mark sounds awkward like reading a script. Only positive of this video is Mark's shirtless body

Prince was a better rapper than Mark Wahlberg.

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by Anonymousreply 180Last Sunday at 5:42 PM

She woulda been without the drugs.

by Anonymousreply 181Last Sunday at 5:43 PM

Marky Mark was the definition of rough trade. Gay guys knew it instinctively, but it probably went over the heads of straight people.

by Anonymousreply 182Last Sunday at 5:44 PM

I was about 15 when this picture appeared in Vanity Fair (which I read religiously every month, little gayling that I was). I cannot even tell you how many loads I spanked out to this. Back in those pre-internet days you had to take what you could get.

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by Anonymousreply 183Last Sunday at 5:45 PM

Mark Wahlberg was a sex object. He was only good for being hot slut and old gay men funded his career kinda like Joe D'Alessandro in a way. Oh and had his brother not have been part of NKOTB then he most likely would not have been able to get into rap as Marky Mark. He also would have been in prison for his criminal behavior and/or ended up in porn since he loves showing his body. But for some reason, he got a Hollywood career and won't go away despite being mediocre at everything and constantly being cancelled online. But for sure, if he came around today, he would been an Instagram ho with an OnlyFans.

by Anonymousreply 184Last Sunday at 5:51 PM

[Quote] She woulda been without the drugs.

How many successful acts in the 1980s had bad drug problems? They were still successes because they had talent.

by Anonymousreply 185Last Sunday at 5:57 PM

Success and talent aren't correlated though. Success is based on luck.

by Anonymousreply 186Last Sunday at 5:58 PM

Luck plays a part. Add talent and the right material & production, and you have a winner.

by Anonymousreply 187Last Sunday at 6:00 PM

👆😄 This thread has gone off the rails!

Brooke's mother was an alcoholic. I recall reading that 13 year old Brooke staged an intervention. This was around the time or shortly after of all the controversial material she appeared in. I imagine Teri's judgment wasn't the best. And/or she was desperate for money.

by Anonymousreply 188Last Sunday at 6:06 PM

Vanity's issue wasn't necessarily her lack of talent. Vanity's issue was Motown Records screwing her over and not knowing how to market her and giving her shitty songs too. Vanity had the perfect look, raw sexuality and charisma to be successful in the 80s. The 80s was filled with so many untalented pop stars because of MTV. I mean sure Madonna had amazing songs but her musical talent wasn't her strong suit and then you had mediocre singers like Pebbles, Janet Jackson and Paula Abdul getting hits.

If Vanity swallowed her pride and stayed with Prince to finish Purple Rain, she could have been bigger. Apollonia was hot but sucked really bad. Vanity would have stole the show in Purple Rain and it would have been also the perfect vehicle for her music career.

by Anonymousreply 189Last Sunday at 6:07 PM

And yet Brooke maintains that she was never sexually abused. I guess Teri did something right.

by Anonymousreply 190Last Sunday at 6:08 PM

There's a reason no Prince protege was ever massive. Even if they had talent, they'd have to compete with Prince the recording artist. And Prince the writer/producer was going to give his best to his own recording career. Stevie Wonder is the same.

by Anonymousreply 191Last Sunday at 6:13 PM

Apparently Teri was very protective of Brooke and was always around her during filming and photoshoots. She had a "look at my underage daughter but don't touch!" mindset I guess

by Anonymousreply 192Last Sunday at 6:13 PM

[quote]Vanity's issue was Motown Records screwing her over and not knowing how to market her

Teena Marie had the exact same problem with Motown. She should've been a big star but they had no idea how to market or promote her.

by Anonymousreply 193Last Sunday at 6:16 PM

[quote] The 80s was filled with so many untalented pop stars because of MTV. I mean sure Madonna had amazing songs but her musical talent wasn't her strong suit and then you had mediocre singers like Pebbles, Janet Jackson and Paula Abdul getting hits.

by Anonymousreply 194Last Sunday at 6:17 PM

[quote] The 80s was filled with so many untalented pop stars because of MTV. I mean sure Madonna had amazing songs but her musical talent wasn't her strong suit and then you had mediocre singers like Pebbles, Janet Jackson and Paula Abdul getting hits.

by Anonymousreply 195Last Sunday at 6:17 PM

[quote] The 80s was filled with so many untalented pop stars because of MTV. I mean sure Madonna had amazing songs but her musical talent wasn't her strong suit and then you had mediocre singers like Pebbles, Janet Jackson and Paula Abdul getting hits.

I agree with you, but my god those women seem like mega-talents compared to the absolute trash we have as pop singers now.

BTW sorry I don't know what happened with the two quotes above.

by Anonymousreply 196Last Sunday at 6:18 PM

Yes, r192. I read excepts of her autobiography and they were very close. She supervised everything. Even if something happened when she was missing for a while, it sounded like they had the sort of relationship where Brooke would tell her what happened. And there would be hell to pay. Pedos abuse low-hanging fruit.

by Anonymousreply 197Last Sunday at 6:21 PM

R196 I actually liked all of the women's music. Madonna's an okay singer. I'm a fan of Janet but she isn't a great singer and you can barely hear her though I rather listen to her than most modern female pop stars that make my ears hurt LOL. Prince's protoges though ouch my ears! Apollonia ruined parts of Purple Rain. He did have some great protoges though like Sheila E and Andy Allo (real musicians), Tamar (great singer) and Rosie Gaines (amazing singer)

by Anonymousreply 198Last Sunday at 6:22 PM

"The Glamorous Life" is one of the best songs to come out of the 80s. That song was so fierce.

by Anonymousreply 199Last Sunday at 6:23 PM

Whatever about Madonna's live vocals, her voice recorded better than this.

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by Anonymousreply 200Last Sunday at 6:24 PM

Vanity couldn't sing. She kinda sounds like LaToya in that song. LaToya actually has a lot of good songs though believe it or not. Her early stuff is very Prince-sounding too. LaToya could have been in Purple Rain too. They were looking for a light-skinned chick. Jennifer Beals was also considered and while she was beautiful, I can't picture her with Prince.

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by Anonymousreply 201Last Sunday at 6:29 PM

La Toya even did a Prince cover. Prince had a thing for La Toya too but I know Papa Joe would not have let that happen. Janet had to sneak out and get married to James DeBarge which Joe had them annul it.

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by Anonymousreply 202Last Sunday at 6:36 PM

I wonder if Meg Tilly is going to reveal on one of her chat videos that she was up for Purple Rain.

by Anonymousreply 203Last Sunday at 6:37 PM

Prince dated black women?

by Anonymousreply 204Last Sunday at 6:38 PM

Vanity, Manuela, Sheila E, Jill Jones and Andy Allo are half-black, Mayte was Afro-Latina (Puerto Rican) and Nona Gaye, Susan Moonsie, Judith Hill, Damaris Lewis and Cat Glover were black. The only white women he dated where Kim Basinger and Carmen Electra. And these are only the public relationships.

Prince had crushes on Alicia Keys, Beyonce and La Toya.

by Anonymousreply 205Last Sunday at 6:48 PM

[Quote] Mark’s performance in FEAR was critically acclaimed. Even critics who trashed the film praised him in it.

Probably because he wasn't doing much acting.

by Anonymousreply 206Last Sunday at 11:10 PM

Craziest ADD thread ever. Always appreciate pics of young rough trade Marky Mark though.

by Anonymousreply 207Yesterday at 2:19 AM

Vanity would have been fine if she hadn't met Nikki Sixx.

by Anonymousreply 20815 hours ago

Did you see Vanity's appearance on Joan Rivers' daytime talk show? The woman had barely two brain cells. She needed religion. She could never have navigated the business successfully.

by Anonymousreply 20915 hours ago

R177 - that's really terrible, I could only watch a few minutes. Reminded me of every other cheesy variety show from that era - don't know how we all survived them.

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