AOC and Squad are all reelected!

AOC is a Russian asset just like Bernie. Fuck her.

They're all heinous cunts, but I suppose it's better than having the seats be taken by the GOP.

We need cunts on our team. We have enough pussies.

Christ, they annoy me... Well maybe not Rep Pressley quite as much. They give progressives moisture in the panties and moderates losses in the handful of swing districts left.

Let's blame all that's wrong in the world on women! It's fun!!

Go Squad!

AOC 2024!!

Good for them. It’s nice to finally have some diversity in Congress. They have been doing pretty well. AOC and Pressley especially.

They are the reason Dems can't attract moderates and independents and this election is so close.

R9 It could also be argued that Trump has done a lot better than anybody thought he would do because of them.

I suppose they can be looked on as a blessing or a curse depending where one stands.

I think it’s cute how a handful of women in the House get so many people up in arms, you’d swear they were the POTUS or something.

The last thing we need is a Russian funded Tea Party of the Left. And that’s exactly what AOC is.

The squad has not only survived, it is going to grow now that Cory Bush and Mondaire Jones are joining Congress!

R12 Booooooooo! You scared?

R14, yes, Boris, I am scared. Everyone should be scared that there are Russian assets in the Democratic party who have been directed there for the purpose of destabilization.

Russia! Russia! Russia!

R15 watch out what you say online

Tlaib may have won Michigan for Biden, with her own huge victory in her district (78%).

I AM WOMAN HEAR ME ROAR!!!

Sure, Yousef.

[quote] Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on “politics in the USA” and to “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump—we support them).”

What the hell are you sulking about. This is what you want. This is the future. It's these bitches or Trump.

FOUR MORE YEARS!!! AOC! AOC!

[quote] What the hell are you sulking about. This is what you want. This is the future. It's these bitches or Trump.

THOSE are the choices?

yup

Last time I looked, Dems dropped five seats in the House to Republicans.

Obviously, the attraction and allure of "The Squad" is limited to their own districts. No coattail effect here that's for sure.

A bunch of ugly-mouthed cunts won an election. How . . . American . . .

R26 so people are voting other Democratic candidates out to spite the Squad instead of just voting the Squad out directly? Yeah that makes total sense...

Oh, another two years of driving centrists away from the Democrats.

[quote]Last time I looked, Dems dropped five seats in the House to Republicans.

None of whom were squad members, so your conclusion is a non sequitur.

They are the power behind the throne.

R29

Those centrists suck if that is the case. After all these years seeing that Republicans are slime, if they still give their lifeline to them because of some progressives in Congress who are actually supporting policies to help the American people, they are shit tier people,

Stop blaming the left for stupid ass deplorable Americans.

R30, you’re not seeing the angles.

[quote]Stop blaming the left for stupid ass deplorable Americans.

R32 They supported and re-elected the "Squad". They deserve all the blame heaped on them.

They concern me!

Pod Save guys, very progressive, are like “I don’t get it: how did we not win the Senate? Why are Latinos voting for Trump? We have some self-reflection to do!”

They’re in a bubble. Like much of DL who were sure this was a slam dunk.

Well thank goodness because those other LOSERS didn’t keep their seats. Do you enjoy losing? The SQUAD win by huge margins.

R34

I actually want this country to move forward and get on the level of other first world nations. We are so behind in so many ways. Why do Americans insist on staying backwards? The Squad is not promoting anything that isn’t already being done in other first world countries.

[quote] The Squad is not promoting anything that isn’t already being done in other first world countries

You mean other THIRD world countries.

[quote]The Squad is not promoting anything that isn’t already being done in other first world countries.

R38 Juvenile discourse, mindless public utterances, and bigotry are not "done in other first world countries". They're "done" on an elementary school playground. Which is where the "Squad" and their fangurls belong.

R39

Stop this lie, this is why Americans are so stupid. Too many buy anything Republicans sell them. Why on DataLounge are we peddling Republican talking points?

Other first world, developed nations have so much more than us - better healthcare coverage, better environmental policies, better criminal justice system, better worker’s policies, better safety and health, etc.

It is astonishing how brainwashed Americans are.

[quote]better healthcare coverage, better environmental policies, better criminal justice system, better worker’s policies, better safety and health, etc.

R41 And those countries are miniscule compared to the US and homogeneous. Better is far easier to administer and maintain in a country of 20 million than in a country of 328 million.

R42 oh piss off with that tired old trope

R42

This was never good argument. With our population, we also have much more tax revenue and resources so these things should already be getting done.

You’re seriously arguing we should stay behind because of our population size? What a joke.

I love their power and chutzpah and how much they piss off the establishment!

Which is great for the media coverage and Vogue covers. But they've done nothing for our policy goals, nothing resembling governing, and they absolutely polarize our party with their bold, vocal socialism. We're now losing people of color - that's crazy given the focus on identity politics, but it should clue us into how superficial their appeal is.

White liberals love what they represent. We need moderate white voters to win. No one but the comfortable vote for other people's rights. It's not misogyny, homophobia, or racism. It's self interest poor people vote for, and we're so myopic.

If this doesn’t show how bad our election system is, nothing will.

R46

You can’t actually think they’re worse than any Republican. You must be trolling.

AOC’s district has only 153k people who voted. My district has over 350k. How is that fair? What chicanery gives her a district with so few voters?

R48

This has to be the dumbest post I’ve ever seen.

AOC doesn’t have to get as many votes to win in her padded district as Congressmen in normal districts.

President AOC 2024 🇺🇸

^^ You are fucking stupid.

This is a site where most posters seem to think that a mayor who came out in his thirties is the gay equivalent to MLK, a trailblazing hero (as opposed to the opportunistic, bible-thumping corporate bootlicker he really is).

For the most part, center-left neo-liberal dinosaurs are the democratic role models here. They believe that progressives are the ruin of the democratic party. And there's massive reactionary apprehension toward the goals and messages of the younger generations of liberals.

Can't teach old dogs new tricks.

They are the future of America.

People try to cut them down by yelling "socialist" "left wing radical"

Yet all they are advocating for is what Europe has given its citizens for generations

[quote] AOC’s district has only 153k people who voted. My district has over 350k. How is that fair? What chicanery gives her a district with so few voters?

It's called gerrymandering--most currently done very effectively by the GOP all over the country

R53 the average age around here makes Biden look like a spring chicken

[quote] You mean other THIRD world countries.

um...like Britain, France, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Germany, and on and on and on and on and on

Guess we should be a shit hole since there's too many people? Republican talking point if I've ever seen one.

R54 Who do you think paid for rebuilding those countries twice in the last century? Politically, most of Europe swings from conservative to liberal governments on a regular basis and they have benefited very from it. Our country has always done well when led from the middle in the spirit of compromise. People like Trump and AOC are not representative of the majority of people in this country.

[quote] oh piss off with that tired old trope

[quote] With our population, we also have much more tax revenue and resources so these things should already be getting done.

[quote] Yet all they are advocating for is what Europe has given its citizens for generations

[quote] like Britain, France, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Germany,

This is exactly the woefully ignorant constituent that Ocasio-Cortez most appeals to. Ignorant of the most basic principles of public administration to say nothing of public health services in countries like Britain (at 66 million pop, the NHS is crashing and burning) or that Sweden and Netherlands have successful health systems because their populations are largely homogeneous and 10 mil and 17 mil, respectively. Or that Europe hasn’t “given” its citizens anything, that its citizens pay high taxes for all of their social benefits.

But gullible is as it does, so if Ocasio-Cortez says that all she has to do is click her heels three times and repeat Americans deserve freebies, well, then it should just fuckin’ BE!

[quote]Guess we should be a shit hole since there's too many people?

America is far from a shithole. But it is disintegrating because it has become far too unwieldy to successfully administer, its population divisive and wholly self-interested. All the empty-headed rhetoric of Ocasio-Cortez will not alter that reality one iota.

[quote] Our country has always done well when led from the middle in the spirit of compromise. People like Trump and AOC are not representative of the majority of people in this country.

The "spirit of compromise" has left the US stagnant in many areas. Legalizing gay marriage and extending healthcare to 20 more million Americans didn't not come from the "spirit of compromise," it came from sheer necessity to enter the modern era.

Trump is nothing like AOC. Trump represents keeping things the way they are to keep the rich rich. AOC represents extending basic necessities to all. The country is moving quickly towards AOC and away from Trump.

[quote] Britain (at 66 million pop, the NHS is crashing and burning) or that Sweden and Netherlands have successful health systems because their populations are largely homogeneous and 10 mil and 17 mil, respectively. Or that Europe hasn’t “given” its citizens anything, that its citizens pay high taxes for all of their social benefits.

This is the BS conservatives have used to scare ignorant Americans for generations.

NHS isn't crashing and burning. It is cash-strapped specifically because the conservatives have cut the funding. NHS remains as popular as ever.

Sweden and the Netherlands don't have homogenous populations any more. Plus everyone generally gets the same diseases no matter what your race/ethnicity/social status is.

And yes, the European countries tax their citizens to give them benefits.--But NYC and Denmark, for example, have about the same tax rate. In Denmark you get child care, healthcare, college, etc for that amount. In NYC, all those things are extra ABOVE what you pay in taxes.

R59

"People like Trump and AOC are not representative of the majority of people in this country. "

That would depend on which generations we're talking about. AOC's policy positions are popular among younger liberals.

Center-left moderates should just come out and say, "I don't want the younger liberals to be allowed to shape the future that they want to live in." Because that's basically what it boils down to. By-and-large, it's baby boomer center-left moderates being opposed to younger progressives and seeing their desires for the future as threats.

You go girls! 🤜

R62

[quote]It is cash-strapped specifically because the conservatives have cut the funding. NHS remains as popular as ever.

Popular? It's a health service, not a Twitter influencer. And it's going broke due to mismanagement, rorts and abuse.

[quote]Sweden and the Netherlands don't have homogenous populations

82% of Sweden's population is ethnic Swedes. 80% of Hollands population is ethnic Dutch. And that's exactly why their health services, etc. are successful.

[quote]But NYC and Denmark, for example, have about the same tax rate

NYC, 8 million population; Denmark 5.7 million. Denmark's population is 87% ethnic Dane. NYC's population is made up of scores of different, self-interested ethnicities.

How long will it take until these morons transform the democratic party into some toxic leftist and Islamist loving shithole like the UK's labor party?

The Squad winning re-election was not difficult by any stretch. They were going to win if they shot someone walking down 5th Avenue.

The bigger issue is the apparent 10+ seats the Dems lost in other House races.

But its worth noting that its not like the Squad flipped any districts from Red to Blue. Their districts were already Democrat. They just beat the establishment Dem & the demographics of their districts changed.

[quote] Popular? It's a health service, not a Twitter influencer. And it's going broke due to mismanagement, rorts and abuse.

Popular as in the Brits don't want any other system, by a large margin. In the US, we hate our system.

Certainly NHS has had its share of mismanagement and abuse, as has every health care system in the world, but that's not specifically because it's a single payer system. It's because we're human and mismanagement occurs in every system everywhere.

[quote]But NYC and Denmark, for example, have about the same tax rate

They do have the same tax rates, but the amount of income taxed is far different. Europe taxes almost all of a taxpayers income. However, the US taxes far less because of exclusions & exemptions. Remember, there is no 401K, Social Security or Health care premium pre-tax deductions in Europe. And Europe doesn't have a mortgage interest deduction.

R67

But why are the losses put on The Squad? That was not their job.

And Democrats wasted money and hurt their image trying to defeat them. They should really read the room. Many blue districts want more progressive representatives.

[quote] 82% of Sweden's population is ethnic Swedes. 80% of Hollands population is ethnic Dutch. And that's exactly why their health services, etc. are successful.

Utter nonsense. Swedes, Finns, Iraqis, Syrians, Chinese all get diabetes, hypertension, cancer, glaucoma, etc. They treat the same variety of diseases the US does. The big difference is a universal healthcare system has alot of power to implement preventive measures, all lowering the cost of healthcare.,

[quote] NYC, 8 million population; Denmark 5.7 million. Denmark's population is 87% ethnic Dane. NYC's population is made up of scores of different, self-interested ethnicities.

Um, everyone of every ethnicity needs child care, healthcare, college, etc. Denmark provides all that by charging the same tax rate per capita that NYC does.

R70 - It was Republicans that wasted money on trying to defeat them. AOC's opponent raised $10M.

It was Dems that wasted $80M on Amy McGrath trying to defeat McConnell when she was NEVER going to win that contest.

[quote] How long will it take until these morons transform the democratic party into some toxic leftist and Islamist loving shithole like the UK's labor party?

Hopefully not as quickly as the GOP transformed into a toxic white supremacist party

I can't stand these poseurs. Have they written or passed any legislation yet, or just flattered Bernie anders and each other? Shouldn't they do some work soon?

[quote] But its worth noting that its not like the Squad flipped any districts from Red to Blue. Their districts were already Democrat. They just beat the establishment Dem & the demographics of their districts changed.

I'm confused because people blame the Squad to pulling the Dems too much to the left. But Biden and Harris are about to win. Shouldn't they get credit for that then?

Sure, the Dems lost some House seats, but they were all in conservative areas. It was fluke those areas went for Dems in the first place 2 years ago.

R73

I meant during the primaries. They tried to run establishment Democrats against them and that was a waste.

R75, why don't you actually do some research instead of revealing your ignorance to all

Here are the many bills co-sponsored by AOC (along with many of the Squad).

550 bills in just 2 years!

Hopefully they will soon have a president who will treat them with respect and dignity.

[quote]I love their power and chutzpah and how much they piss off the establishment!

This is exactly why Trump did so well, the Republican asshats feel the same way about him.

Diversity itself is a meaningless metric as is all the smartass Twitter noise, but people like you and the Trumpers are dazzled by it.

[quote]But why are the losses put on The Squad? That was not their job..... And Democrats wasted money and hurt their image trying to defeat them. They should really read the room. Many blue districts want more progressive representatives.

This is the reason why the Dems didnt' have a good night:

1 - They didn't push Medicare for All, legalized marijuana or elimination of the carried interest tax loophole. Even Republican voters want this.

2 - The "defund the police" message, heavily supported by The Squad, was an abject failure at the ballot box.

3 - Demonstrations & riots became the face of the progressive wing, which again turned off many voters including moderate Democrats.

4 - Higher taxes on the rich drove many Dem suburban voters to pick Republicans down ballot. This happened in NYC suburbs.

Most Americans and most Democrats do not agree with AOC. She represents a fairly specific urban constituency. That constituency is entitled to choose her. She says things that alienate people; she also says things that resonate with people who are not her constituents. I don't want her muzzled. But Democrats should come up with a strategy to be clear that she is a Social Democrat, not a standard-issue Democrat, that she and the squad are not going to take over the Democratic Party. Maybe we should bring back the "Big Tent" metaphor? Point out that Conor Lamb and Joe Manchin are also Democrats. Suggest that the "Squad" is a sort-of caucus for Democrats on the far left of congressional Democrats, that there are just four of them. We own them, but we are more than them alone.

We gotta admit we got creamed in the congressional elections. AOC was used against us. We have to write a better message to counteract the socialist-scare tactics used by Republicans.

The Squad is feared. Good going girls! You're doing something right!

In the bigger picture, where the fuck was the Blue Wave of 2018? Was it that Republican voters just had a lower midterm turnout, but were ready to sow up for a Presidential election? There simply was no evidence of any sort of Blue Wave, Dems actually lost House seats.

This is so depressing.

[quote]The Squad is feared. Good going girls! You're doing something right!

Huh? No, there is zero evidence they are "feared" at all. Any Dem can win a D+28 district. What they are is "loathed".

R83 - They're only feared by establishment Democrats. But they're not feared by Republicans. In fact, the GOP love The Squad & their ilk because it helped turn out their voters this year.

[quote]AOC was used against us. We have to write a better message to counteract the socialist-scare tactics used by Republicans.

This is EXACTLY what happened & I think Democrats have got to learn from this as well.

[quote] There simply was no evidence of any sort of Blue Wave, Dems actually lost House seats.

Buckle up. 2022 is going to like 2010 on steroids.

[quote] Most Americans and most Democrats do not agree with AOC. She represents a fairly specific urban constituency

Actually when you poll most Americans, they mostly agree with the Squad's focus area of universal healthcare, slowing climate change, etc,

The issue is these issues are often not the reasons people tend to vote a certain way--they vote for proximate issues like do they have a job, does their job pay enough, etc.

[quote] Buckle up. 2022 is going to like 2010 on steroids.

Sure it will, Jr

[quote] Huh? No, there is zero evidence they are "feared" at all.

The GOP is very aware of the attraction of the Squad's message and fear that.

THAT is why the GOP has started to vilify them . It's just like they did with Hillary--they focused on her decades ago because they feared her

R89 - That attitude is exactly why Dems lost. Stop underestimating the Republicans. They are well funded, well organized and well mobilized. They don't need to drag people to the voting booth like the Dems always seem to.

PRESIDENT AOC 2024 🇺🇸

[quote] That attitude is exactly why Dems lost.

The Dems haven't lost. They won what they could have conceivably won. The lost some House seats in conservatives areas.

In fact, the fact the Dems did well this year in the Senate is a miracle because it wasn't considered a good set of states for Dems to win. In 2 years, Dems will be in a better place because the states that are up for Senate election lean more Dem..

No never underestimate the GOP but stop pretending that Dems lost alot this time around

[quote]PRESIDENT AOC 2024 🇺🇸

Why are my fellow Dems always willing to get in there and lose more elections? A Bernie Sanders/AOC Democrat would have lost 40 states against Trump. "Medicare for All" polls very badly, and even after all the racism and cops assassinating black people, even more of them voted for Trump, as did more Latinos! Derp!

America is becoming ungovernable and most idiots find a fascist "Strongman" very appealing. We are a country of fucking tards who watch a lot of tv and Fox News.

The only problem was the polls were off. I didn’t trust them anyway and thought they were too good to be true.

[quote] "Medicare for All" polls very badly

A majority has favored it for the last decade

^ sorry, meant to say since 2017

[quote]The Dems haven't lost. They won what they could have conceivably won.

We didn't turn a single state legislature blue. We lost seats in the US House of Representatives. We have not picked up Senate seats. And the presidential race is waaaay too close.

We Fucked Up. It's time to stop lying to ourselves about how statements are heard by non-Democrats. Republicans have spent decades figuring out how to get Americans to vote against their own economic interests to help the 1%. It's time for us to figure out some things that work.

We know what people mean when they say "defund the police." We also know how outsiders hear and understand it. That slogan should have had a stake put through its still-beating heart the day after it was first blurted.

Want to win? Want to knock those fucking Republicans out of power? Then get real about what works.

Everything sounds delightful until the bill comes due. Compromises will have to be made and our current political situation does not suggest that will be easy. Everyone sells an expensive program by suggesting it will one paid for by the 'rich'- the other guys. In truth, everyone will have to pay.

One of the strengths of our country has always been that it was supposedly a 'melting pot' of the rest of the world. For generations that seem to work in our favor. Now, with people refusing to melt, its makes everything more complicated. Just ask Sweden, France, and Germany.

Congresswoman Abigail Spanberger, a Democrat of Virginia, unloaded on some of her colleagues during a caucus call this afternoon, according to multiple reports.

Spanberger only narrowly won reelection, and she blamed the close result on effective attack ads from her opponent based around some Democrats’ calls to “defund the police.”

“We need to be pretty clear,” Spanberger said. “It was a failure. It was not a success. We lost incredible members of Congress.”

R98, the losses came because Dems aren't courageous enough to actually espouse strong progressive values.

Lots of namby-pamby centrism is getting the Dems nowhere.

Be bolder!

This election was still about white supremacism vs. minority voices.

Stop blaming this on defund the police or even BLM protests.

It's about white people trying to keep themselves at the top of the social heap.

The Squad has actually doubled in size.

Along with AOC (NY) , Tlaib (MI) , Pressley (MA), and Omar (MN), we now have Mondaire Jones (NY), Jamaal Bowman (NY), Marie Newman (IL), and Cori Bush (MO)

Good. They can make a difference and influence the DP agenda. Gingrichs Contract on America (sic :)) was accomplished by 20 GOP freshmen. Eight will do in this case as the rest of the DP is wishy washy. They can give spine to Bidens administration.

They need to pass a Defund the Police bill.

Naw. They need to keep the pressure on the party to make sure Trump is tried and not back off. That's their number one job.

[quote]The Squad has actually doubled in size.

Wait until Jamal tries to be the leader of the group. They will all attack him and claim it needs to be a girls club, at which point they tear each other apart, and this mighty Blue Wave of eight whole new House members will self-destruct.

Eight is enough for a koffee klatch, since the tea party is already taken.

It's a shame they were reelected when there are so many older, right of center, Christian white guys looking for jobs in congress.

Go squad!!!! Girl power!

R109, it’s really a skill to manage to miss the point with the consistency that you do.

R111, R109's comment reads to me like sarcasm, not like missing the point.

AOC and Squad and their views are going to be very prominent during the next two years - in Republican campaign material.

R113, how much more can the GOP yell “Radical Left” before we shut it out??

AOC attacked Claire McCaskill the other night after McCaskill was on MSNBC talking about how difficult it is for a democrat to win votes in the conservative Midwest. She sneered “Whybis anyone lusten8ng to someone who couldn’t win their election about how to win an election?” Meanwhile, AOC was showing a pic of herself with Bernie Sanders, who totally lost the last 2 presidential elections.

Fuck AOC and all the BernOuts who are now trying to take credit for Biden’s Midwest wins.

[quote] A majority has favored it for the last decade

Medicare for all polls well until you remind people that they won't get to keep the insurance they already have. The vast majority of Americans actually like their insurance (counterintuitive, I know). Once you bring this up, the public options polls way better.

R117, people are scared of change. They can’t even imagine that they can keep their same providers and actually pay less.

I think Biden's plan to make American healthcare more like the German model is the best option we have and fits America the best.

They run virtually unopposed in solid Democratic districts. AOC spent $17 million still.

[Quote] I think Biden's plan to make American healthcare more like the German model is the best option we have and fits America the best.

The German model is great.

It offers taxpayer supported healthcare to all. People can opt out of that standard system by paying a premium and getting faster access to your doctor, get a single room in a hospital, and other such perks that don’t improve health outcomes.

[Quote] They run virtually unopposed in solid Democratic districts. AOC spent $17 million still.

Her opponent spent $10 million so she had to spend money.

Good, we need actual leftist voices in the Democratic Party. They don't need to be the only voices, but they definitely deserve to be there. Not everyone in Congress needs to be Right or Far Right.

R117, they don’t like it, they’re just afraid of things getting worse.

AOC is an authoritarian. We’ve had sufficient of totalitarian dogma, regardless of the side.

Oy, now AOC is a totalitarian. Why? Cause she ran for Congress and defeated an incumbent? People be stupid and ridiculous.

R125, because, among other things like parroting Republican talking points, she’s instructing her sycophants to create hit lists of people guilty of wrongthink. She’s a scumbag, authoritarian agent provocateur and the the protégée of a Russian agent.

oh, you're ridiculous r126. She has leftist views. Contrary to Reaganite/Clintonite doctrine, that isn't actually a crime. We actually are allowed to move Left in this country. Reagan doesn't have to be the starting point, with everyone moving Right from there.

[quote] Good, we need actual leftist voices in the Democratic Party. They don't need to be the only voices, but they definitely deserve to be there. Not everyone in Congress needs to be Right or Far Right.

Not everything left of Bernie is “Right”. There really is a center in this country. I know you like to pretend that you live in a different country, but you’re stuck with the political dynamic of this one.

AOC seems almost Trump-like enraged that the spotlight is not on her!

She's tweeting like a nutjob, true to form. I hate her. She's not the future of ANYTHING.

Ilhan Omar is very pretty.

R130 Is she the one who hates Jews & Gays?

[Quote] Not everything left of Bernie is “Right”. There really is a center in this country. I know you like to pretend that you live in a different country, but you’re stuck with the political dynamic of this one.

If you actually look at polls, most of AOC’s views fit right with the majority—Govt being responsible for healthcare, working to improve the environment and slow climate change are all supported by a large majority in poll after poll.

It’s the politicians who are beholden to their moneyed interests that lose the will to follow the people’s wishes

[Quote] Is she the one who hates Jews & Gays?

Only in the GOP villainization tactics does Omar hate Jews and gays. She has said publicly many times that she supports the rights of both.

[Quote] AOC seems almost Trump-like enraged that the spotlight is not on her! She's tweeting like a nutjob, true to form. I hate her. She's not the future of ANYTHING.

Hilariously, the only reason she got on the National radar is the GOP, sensing that she would one day be a political threat, immediately started its traditional hate campaign against her.

I had no idea who she was until the GOP attempts to drag her down caught my attention. Looking closely I saw someone very smart who actually speaks to working people about what the problems are and how they should be solved.

She’s the future and the GOP is scared shitless about it or else it would have ignored her

President AOC 2024 🇺🇸

She is, R130. But only on the outside.

Before all of you so called "progressives" start creaming your panties over these three, realize full well NONE of them could win a state wide or national election. They'd be obliterated right before your beady, Bernie Bro eyes.

Every single swing state House Democrat who supported Medicare for All won re-election.

[Quote] Before all of you so called "progressives" start creaming your panties over these three, realize full well NONE of them could win a state wide or national election.

They are just espousing Bernie’s views he has was almost the Dem candidate twice. I bet lots of those blue collar workers who have turned to the GOP would switch back for a true progressive

R137, which is exactly what enemies of the US want and why these goons have been propped up.

Sorry if this has been covered but if AOC said this: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) told the New York Times she isn’t sure if she still wants to “be in politics” anymore. Said Ocasio-Cortez-Cortez: “The last two years have been pretty hostile. Externally, we’ve been winning. Externally, there’s been a ton of support, but internally, it’s been extremely hostile to anything that even smells progressive.”

and there was a three hour heated conference call, in which some of the Democratic stalwarts blamed her (and several others) for their failure to do well in the election, so... anyway, she doesn't seem to be the Bernie type who'll sit in the corner and put up with it.

We need a link and a timeframe of the above quote.

But not surprised to see her trashing democrats.

Bernie talks a goid game and then doesn’t show up for key votes and is another one who loves to trash democrats at every turn.

Why don’t these people ever go after republicans? And no I don’t mean “owning” Plump on twitter like this is all a game.

R142, here's where I found it

R117 I think Dems have a messaging problem, that's why. I'm on medicare and it's flexible as it could get. When Dems bring up Medicare for all, they need to bring up how Medicare works! You can use that as your base insurance (pays 80%) paying off the balance, OR combine it with private insurance, at a reduced cost (Medicare then shifts that support to the supplemental ins, so instead of $800 a month for bluecross/ blueshield, you pay $200.)

It needs to be sold to Americans and the companies paying employee insurance by bringing up that flexibility. There's no reason people should believe they can't keep private insurance options. If anything, private insurance would thrive more because more people would go for supplemental.

It's a win - win, yet Democrats don't sell it well. They just say "Medicare for all" without mentioning how it already comes out of our incomes and still protects private interests.

We really need to get away with how much jobs control choices with that as well! That's another great argument for Dems -- to bring up how people won't change jobs because they choose insurance over an upgrade. Or how employers are crossing the privacy line by being involved in employees medical affairs. Or how wages could increase this way (instead of having to force it so much through laws.)

We really need to drastically increase the ceiling on paying for that too -- the cap on income after 120k (something around there) is garbage. There's no reason for that cap, and it would save social security and medicare.

R142, here's a link to the part about the 3-hour heated conference call blaming the progressives

Ha, so she wants to retire now that Trump is out of office and Putin may be stepping down and no one is going to confront her about that?

R141, the Dems who lost only have themselves to blame. They are scapegoating AOC for their own failures.

No Dem wants to go back to being the party of we’re-afraid-to-take-a-stand-on-anything. I’m at least glad that AOC is standing up for working people, exactly what the Dems are all supposed to be doing.

[Quote] which is exactly what enemies of the US want and why these goons have been propped up.

Republicans are the enemy of the US. They’re afraid of the squad

[quote] They are just espousing Bernie’s views he has was almost the Dem candidate twice. I bet lots of those blue collar workers who have turned to the GOP would switch back for a true progressive

This is sarcasm, right?

[quote] It's a win - win, yet Democrats don't sell it well. They just say "Medicare for all" without mentioning how it already comes out of our incomes and still protects private interests.

Democrats aren’t selling M4A—only Bernie people are. I think you might be confused about what M4A is and what the public option plan is, which is what has more broad support. Public support for Bernie’s M4A craters when you explain to voters what it would take to implement it.

R151, support craters for it when you tell people that they won't get to keep their own insurance under M4A. Also, why would anyyone want a single-payer system when the Republicans are a thing? Single payer works in Britain and Canada because even the conservative parties there are in agreement about it. But in America, that's not the case with our far-right wing Republican party. If M4A was passed, Republicans would find ways to make it more "exclusive" and discriminatory. Like they always do.

The UK’s NHS came out of the devastation of WWII. The U.S. doesn’t have that situation and it already has a system in place for healthcare that covers most of its citizens. To institute national healthcare in the U.S. would be like trying to convince someone to undergo a heart and lung transplant when they already have functioning healthy organs of their own. People aren’t going to trade the existing employer sponsored insurance that they are satisfied with for government coverage.

And that is a huge reason why Bernie’s M4A makes no sense. So sick of stupid progressives who don’t understand this. And they’re gaslighting about it now with their current data about the election results. The Sunrise Movement has a very misleading chart that’s making the rounds currently.

Come talk to us when AOC holds a press conference at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping.

R146 Part of the problem with the Democrats and getting their messages out are the right ring media who try to undermine them by reporting a whole lot of bullshit. This sort of thing happens all over the world.

[quote] Looking closely I saw someone very smart who actually speaks to working people about what the problems are and how they should be solved.

Hilarious. You better look again!

All Congressional districts have the same number of people in them, that's the idea.

The "corporatist neo-liberal" Nancy Pelosi (a pretty safe seat) got 265,000 votes this week in her re-election.

The [italic]wunderkind[/italic] unicorn AOC, the "future of the Democratic Party!" (a pretty safe seat) spent something like 17 million bucks on her re-election campaign and got 105,000 votes in her district. Such enthusiasm for progressivism!

Why do people insist on her popularity when her voters barely turn out? She's certainly noisy, but has never been popular other than to the media and the GOP for obvious reasons. She certainly hasn't proven much of a politician as far as accomplishing anything.

R158, people like her for how she portrays herself when the cameras on. People forget that it's what's done when the camera's off that counts. And she hasn't done shit!

If she weren't thin and pretty we wouldn't give a shit about her.

She ain't right.

Do you really think this crazy expensive healthcare system we have can go on forever? Every year the percentage of the federal budget allocated to healthcare grows and grows.

We will get M4A because it covers everyone at a lower price and that price stays pretty stagnant. We will just spend trillions of dollars before we get there

[Quote] If she weren't thin and pretty we wouldn't give a shit about her. She ain't right.

Have you even listened to her? She makes complete sense. There are strong forces against her because she threatens their profits

[Quote] And she hasn't done shit!

Um. AOC has sponsored over 500 pieces of legislation

[Quote] She certainly hasn't proven much of a politician as far as accomplishing anything.

Again, she has sponsored over 500 pieces of legislation. She’s been there 2 years; what would you expect her to have accomplished?

Joe needs to shut these idiots up! Several Dem representatives already said that the shit talk about defunding the police and socialism made it hard for them getting reelected. Now Andrew Yang is heading for Georgia in toe with Nina Turner to make it hard for Ossof and Warnock. Whoever still doubts those far lefties aren't in bed with the GOP, I got a bridge to sell.

[quote] We will get M4A because it covers everyone at a lower price and that price stays pretty stagnant. We will just spend trillions of dollars before we get there

No, we will not get it.

Please, there are other options out there besides Bernie’s proposals. It’s not a black or white choice, where you’re either for the current system or you’re for M4A. Bernie’s M4A is a non-starter.

You need to get off AOC’s clit. She does well when she has the mic in Congressional hearings and she’s sticking it to some asshole, but she isn’t a whiz with electoral politics.

Why was the other AOC thread deleted just as her own competence was being debated?

[quote]Congratulations are in order!

They cost Dems the Senate! They nearly cost Dems the House! Let's pop the Champagne!

Remember that Barack Obama was reasonably successful in the rust belt

Remember that Barack Obama was reasonably successful in the rust belt

They will steer the DP to a progressive direction and that's a good thing. The rest is politics not policy and I have little to say to that.

How many are in the Squad now?

R66

Already happened.

R66

Already happened.

As it has been noted, you’d need binoculars to locate a republican in their districts, so winning re-election is no major feat for them.

Blaming them for Dem losses is ridiculous.

Blame the Dem candidates who were too scared to take a stand on anything. They were centrist to a fault and no one is buying that bullshit anymore.

[Quote] As it has been noted, you’d need binoculars to locate a republican in their districts, so winning re-election is no major feat for them.

Yet the establishment Dems tried hard to primary them and the GOP tried hard to displace them. AOC’s GOP opponent spent $10 million

[Quote] They were centrist to a fault and no one is buying that bullshit anymore.

They're center right, like moderate Republicans.

I can't wait until they all make the acquaintance of super-Republicunt Beth Van Dyne of Texas. Good times!!!!!!

[quote] Yet the establishment Dems tried hard to primary them and the GOP tried hard to displace them. AOC’s GOP opponent spent $10 million

And AOC spent millions herself. In a district that is like 100% Democrat. This "squad" is only good at appealing to their own specific districts.

112 house members now support Medicare for all.

Anyone get any good dick last night? All of these bitchy political talk is so boring. Yes, the country is going down the toilet and neither the Democrats or Republicans have a clue how to stop it. And don't give that bullshit about how the young people will step in and save the day. I try hiring those people all the time and they are mostly spoiled and dumb as rocks.

Given the dems razor thing margin in the house now, the squad are the most powerful people in Washington. They can sink any bill pelosi puts forth.

R183, if they do, that just proves how fucking stupid they are.

R184 why? Because they stand up for what the believe in? Because they don’t want to continue to allow Pelosi to legislate for the 1% and only the 1%? AOC should be speaker. Pelosi was humiliated this election and the GOP will get the house in 2022 because of her.

[quote] Given the dems razor thing margin in the house now, the squad are the most powerful people in Washington. They can sink any bill pelosi puts forth.

You’re right, but there are a few moderate Democrats left who may vote against anything extremely nutty from The Squad, especially considering the results of this last election. We may only see bills to name post offices and bills to keep the lights on coming out of the House in the next Congress.

Nothing nutty about the Squad. You may simply have a different opinion without dismissing them.

[quote] Because they don’t want to continue to allow Pelosi to legislate for the 1% and only the 1%? AOC should be speaker.

WTf. Why would AOC be speaker? She has accomplished nothing of significance. How has Pelosi legislated only for the 1%? You sound like someone who has an unreal perception of her. I don't disagree that it is time for Pelosi to stepdown at this point but to suggest AOC should be speaker is laughable.

[quote] the GOP will get the house in 2022 because of her.

The party that has executive office generally loses big time during midterm elections--that's not unique.

R4, agree about Tlaib. When I heard her sit in a meeting and yell "lock her up" referring to Hillary, she doesn't deserve to be re-elected. I don't care if she apologized later or not. That showed the kind of astoundingly bad judgment that we find in poor leaders.

About AOC. She's the pretty provocative one, who is an easy target for Rightwing hacks. She has shown some canny skills, aligning herself with Warren over Sanders and with Pelosi on some issues. I admit that I disliked her after her antics against Sharice Davids in 2018, but when Manchin dishes out nonsense, she has every reason to dish it right back. Socialism, like feminism, is a word that people who believe in economic equality or women's rights should not back away from if others try to use it as a form of ridicule.

The squad are out of touch with the majority of Americans.

The squad are out of touch with the majority of Americans.

Socialism has never accomplished economic equality anywhere on this planet.

R193, thank you. Way to many people think things like public education, universal healthcare, public goods are "socialism". They are not. You can achieve a more equitable society with capitalism as countries like the Noridc countries, Australia, Canada, NZ, etc., have demonstrated.

People shouldn't talk about socialism or the planet as they've been brainwashed by corporate capitalists.

[Quote] Socialism has never accomplished economic equality anywhere on this planet.

It has far more than Capitalism ever can. Plus learn the difference between socialism and democratic socialism

Most countries have mixed economic systems. Europe is Capitalism with a socialist safety net = democratic socialism

112 congress members support Medicare for All and all of them got re-elected. 98 support the Green New Deal and all but one got re-elected

Don’t blame the progressives; blame the lackluster centrists.

Centrists = do nothing

I am really disappointed in how Cori Bush has already sold out her constituents.

[quote] Europe is Capitalism with a socialist safety net = democratic socialism

Their safety net isn't "socialist".

[quote] Don’t blame the progressives; blame the lackluster centrists.

No, the centrists have supported a public option for a while now. Not exactly "do nothing".

[Quote] I am really disappointed in how Cori Bush has already sold out her constituents.

Um, she’s not in Congress yet

[quote]People shouldn't talk about socialism or the planet as they've been brainwashed by corporate capitalists.

OK smartass @ R195, please tell us which socialist country has had high living standards, a stable democracy, social equality, good education standards, free press ...

R200, their safety net is exactly what AOC and the Squad is supporting. Not socialism in the traditional sense but democratic socialism.

People are taxed to provide for all—hardly a revolutionary idea

[Quote] OK smartass @ [R195], please tell us which socialist country has had high living standards, a stable democracy, social equality, good education standards, free press ...

Um, ALL of Europe.

r201, she's in DC, getting indoctrinated. Check out her IG. I unfollowed her.

R205, she’s always run as a progressive. What is her IG showing—she’s become a Republican?

R202, R195 will cluelessly say "Sweden is a socialist!". Remember when the Danish PM scolded Bernie Sanders for calling Denmark socialist?

[Quote] No, the centrists have supported a public option for a while now. Not exactly "do nothing".

The public option is bullshit. No way the insurance industry would allow it. If Congress by some miracle vote last for it, the insurance industry would work to get their most expensive patients off their patient roles and into the public option. It would get crazy expensive for the government.

Most of the problems facing our healthcare system are caused by the very existence of private insurance. The public option just keeps the private insurance industry intact and preying on all of us

[Quote] [R202], [R195] will cluelessly say "Sweden is a socialist!". Remember when the Danish PM scolded Bernie Sanders for calling Denmark socialist?

And yet, the GOP continues to say Bernie and the Dems are socialist.

Do you think Bernie and the Squad want America to be like Venezuela or like Denmark?

Except that loads of countries have public options and private insurance. Single payer is not the way for America to go. IT would work if our political spectrum was more like the one in Canada, where the Canadian conservative party is more rightwing than Dems but wayyyyy less rightwing than Republicans. But that's not what we are dealing with. We are dealing with a party that has been deemed as rightwing as the rightwing parties of Hungary and Turkey. That is not a party you want controlling your healthcare when they get majorities in all three levels of government. They will decide who they see "fit" to qualify for healthcare. And that will be bad.

R209, both groups are wrong. And seriously, sometimes American liberals can be just as insular and provincial as Republicans. All those nordic countries will be facing huge issues unless they massive increase their birth rates or increase immigration and there is already pushback against the latter. With declining populations, they will only be able to support their programs if they massively increase taxes. Also, there is no way middle class Americans would want to be taxed as much as middle class people in the nordic countries are taxed.

The reason Bernie and his fauxgressives are selling socialism as the cure for everything from greed on Wall street to bad health care to smelly feet is because Putty, who's as nationalistic Russian as it can get, is the centuries old rivalry between the West and Russia. Russia used to be a great empire but they stubbornly refused to adapt to all the liberal accomplishments that shaped and strengthend the West - enlightenment, free market economy, liberalism, democracy.

It's pure envy that drives the Russian based propaganda that Bernie and his minions are spewing.

Also, we would have had a public option now if it wasn't for stupid Ted Kennedy. He sabotaged Carter's plan for universal healthcare and I think he may have sabotaged Nixon's plan too. This is just another reason to hate the Kennedy's. What is with this family!?

Except for JFK and Robert, the rest are dumb.

R213 so agree. I can't stand that family. All this fawning over them is ludicrous. In today's america, Jackie Kennedy would be considered white trash due to her eyes that were on two different planets. Give me Dems like Truman, FDR and even Obama over the Kennedys any day.

[quote] Um, ALL of Europe.

Serbia, Romania, Ukraine, Greece, Bulgaria--all represeting the top living standards in the world. You heard it here first.

[quote] Russia used to be a great empire but they stubbornly refused to adapt to all the liberal accomplishments that shaped and strengthend the West - enlightenment, free market economy, liberalism, democracy.

Nations like Russia, Venezuela, etc. are "the little runts that can't". They are deluded by their sense of importance. Putin can't face that his country is dying.

4 of the 5 countries you mentioned R215 are ex Soviet block, 2 aren't even in the EU.

R217, that person said "all of Europe". Not "all of the EU".

Yes R216, it's pure envy. Russia lives off from selling fossil fuels and some agricultural products. That's basically 90% of their economy. Socialism prevented entrepreneurship, so industries couldn't develop that would give Russia economical stability.

The reason China is so interested in Germany is because Germany has dozens and dozens of legs their economy stands on. So China is stealing tech left and right from German companies to make their economy as diverse as possible.

But just like Russia, China is several steps behind. If the West, and I hope Joe and Kamala strengthen western unity, as a unit divests in fossils, diversifies trade over the next decades, we could turn the wheel around on the precarious situation we're in at this moment.

I said this before and people laughed at me, so I try again.

Russia, landscape wise is an amazingly beautiful country. Were they too dumb to launch a flourishing tourism industry or were they just too afraid that westerners would tell Russians that their corrupt government is responsible for 95% of their problems.

R220, I'm not laughing at you. I'm sure much of Russia--at least what was described in Anna Karenina--is beautiful. It just sucks there's a bunch of Russians in it.

R219, Putin was so pissed at Boris Yeltsin for (what he perceives as) his humiliating Russia in the 90s. He wants to restore Russia to what it was before the Cold War ended. Good luck with that.

Putin experienced first hand what the collapse of the Soviet Union meant. He was trapped in a government building in East Berlin as the wall came down, surrounded by angy Germans who were ready to off him.

He's very Russian, a nationalist who never got over the fact that his empire is a shithole now.

That same mental mindset haunts Bernie Sanders, who ideologically immature and delusional as he is, championed the socialist system over the competitive nature of a free market economy which left him an impoverished and lazy bum until he got into politics, still kissing up to Russia and into congress with the help of the NRA.

Sometimes the motivation of certain people is just down to simple pettiness and envy.

No squad member is asking for us to become Russia.

They want workers to get what Western Europe has given its citizens for decades already—education, child care, healthcare.

It’s not far fetched in the least

[Quote] competitive nature of a free market economy

Where is there anywhere close to a free market in the US? The rich get socialism while the middle class gets shit. Trump put tariffs on European and Asian trade. Farmers get $20 billion in welfare because the tariffs affect them.

Where’s the free market I keep hearing is apparently so great?

[quote]Russia, landscape wise is an amazingly beautiful country. Were they too dumb to launch a flourishing tourism industry...

It wouldn't work because Russians are all thieves and drunks (really), and they would chase tourism away with their thievery and dishonest shenanigans. I doubt they can be taught "hospitality."

The squad members are completely clueless on how to give those things to the American people without enormous taxes. Their answer to everything is the same one Bernie provides:"Millionaires! Billonaires! Corporations! Scandinavia!".

[quote] Blame the Dem candidates who were too scared to take a stand on anything. They were centrist to a fault and no one is buying that bullshit anymore.

Can I ask how old you are?

Bernie is the uncooperative dad who bribees his kid with ice cream and free rides at the Ferris wheel every day, just so he can turn the kid against the mother who is trying to teach the kid valuable lessons about discipline.

[quote]We will get M4A because it covers everyone at a lower price and that price stays pretty stagnant

That's the main problem with M4A. Costs can't stay stagnant if you want to pay doctors, nurses and their staffs. Remember the NHS works in Britain because all the health facilities are nationalized. In the US we have a mix of private & public health facilities at different costs. And health outcomes widely vary.

I would like an M4A system, but I'm also realistic with how much we have to pay in order to fund an M4A system. Universal healthcare in Europe is funded by taxes. And those taxes are funded by incomes with very little tax deductibles or exemptions. Basically 95%+ of European taxpayer income is taxed. For Americans, its 0-90%. I don't know if Americans are ready for things like the mortgage interest deduction & pre-tax income deductions being eliminated because that's what its going to take.

Big pharma, the hospital industry and health insurance companies have done a superlative job at brainwashing the American people. Who was it who said the biggest critics of Canada's healthcare system are Americans?

Its also Canadians who come to the US for procedures when they get tired of waiting in the Canadian system.

8 U.S. House Races Still Have Not Been Called. Republicans Lead All 8 Races.

California’s 21st Congressional District; 98% reported:

Republican David Valadao: 50.5% Democrat TJ Cox (incumbent): 49.5%

California’s 25th Congressional District; 98% reported:

Republican Mike Garcia (incumbent): 50.06% Democrat Christy Smith: 49.94%

Iowa’s 2nd Congressional District; 89% reported:

Republican Mariannette Miller-Meeks: 196,880 votes Democrat Rita Hart: 196,841 votes

New York’s 1st Congressional District; 77% reported:

Republican Lee Zeldin (incumbent): 61.3% Democrat Nancy Goroff: 38.7%

New York’s 2nd Congressional District; 84% reported:

Republican Andrew Garbarino: 56.4% Democrat Jackie Gordon: 42.6%

New York’s 11th Congressional District; 85% reported:

Republican Nicole Malliotakis: 57.9% Democrat Max Rose (incumbent): 42.1%

New York’s 22nd Congressional District; 92% reported:

Republican Claudia Tenney: 50.4% Democrat Anthony Brindisi (incumbent): 47.4%

New York’s 24th Congressional District; 92% reported:

Republican John Katko (incumbent): 57.4% Democrat Dana Balter: 38.9%

[Quote] Its also Canadians who come to the US for procedures when they get tired of waiting in the Canadian system.

Americans should go to Canada for basic universal single payer health care and Canadians to the US for elective procedures.

Americans can have their own universal healthcare system, but Americans are going to have to pay for it. As I said earlier, Americans are going to have to pay much more in taxes - all Americans & not just the rich. The problem with the socialist left is that they think all we have to do is tax the rich and we'll have everything we need, which is completely wrong. And yes there will be waits, but you wait because there are sicker people ahead of you in line. Universal healthcare prioritizes the sickest patients. And in a country of 300M+ people, there are going to be waits.

Even in uni healthcare, the well off still get better healthcare & procedures when they need it because they pay extra for it. But the big difference between the US healthcare system & other 1st world nations is that in uni health you get healthcare and you wont go bankrupt getting treated.

"SQAUD!!!" and "YASSSS QUEEN!" female POC tokenism is what these women ultimately represent in the zeitgeist, which is truly revolting; their elections are more driven by identity politics than by actual policymaking or critical thought (and this is coming from someone who actually likes Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez).

So AOC and the Squad are driving the narrative. This is a first.