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Do you think the US may one day become a fascist country along the lines of Nazi Germany?

We see a significant portion of the population is fascist. There is a major germanic heritage in the country. Democracy is under attack. The Republican Party blatantly does not stand for American democratic values any more. Oligarchy is on the rise. Populism too.

I think it could happen. If not now, in the future.

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by Anonymousreply 7110/17/2020

[quote] Do you think the US may one day become a fascist country along the lines of Nazi Germany?

No. And neither do you.

by Anonymousreply 110/17/2020

Yes. Definitely. If we don’t get a handle on what we’re experiencing presently, we’re on our way there.

Anyone who doesn’t admit or recognize this is either ignorant of history, psychology, and social studies, or is a liar.

by Anonymousreply 210/17/2020

r1 it is not far off. Look at Trump and his supporters. Faithfully blind. Even moderate Republicans won't break ranks. The man committed crimes and was impeached but the Senate absolved him because he was a republican. They refused to hear evidence. The Republicans want complete control. You can't tell me Trump walking out on the balcony pulling off his mask was not a Hitler moment.

by Anonymousreply 310/17/2020

Yes, easily.

by Anonymousreply 410/17/2020

Yes, in a different sense. The deplorable minority want a theocratic fascist government. With laws that bind minorities and “non/Christians” and give broad, unbound rights to the “Christians”.

Ironic. Pretty much why America was established; to escape religious persecution.

by Anonymousreply 510/17/2020

[quote]Pretty much why America was established; to escape religious persecution.

That's not strictly true. The Puritans were told to take a hike from England because they were trying to persecute others.

by Anonymousreply 610/17/2020

This is why it’s wrong to tell people that you shouldn’t compared things or people to Nazi Germany. It will allow it happen again. America is heading down that road. America has committed enough atrocities but for people to be this brainwashed in the 21st century is fucking frightening.

by Anonymousreply 710/17/2020

Until you get rid of the cult of celebrity, there will be an ever present danger of extremism, right or left.

The assholes who get most of their information from the teevee saw game show host Donald Trump and fell for his act that he's some reputable, high level businessman. After all, it it's on the teevee, it has to be true. And if he's on the teevee, he must be some sort of god with supernatural powers.

by Anonymousreply 810/17/2020

Americans are too fat for fascism

by Anonymousreply 910/17/2020

Disturbing footage of Whitmer kidnapping suspects’ training drills with assault rifles released by Feds

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by Anonymousreply 1010/17/2020

IT ALREADY IS.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BEEN A FASCIST PARTY SINCE SEPT. 11, 2001.

by Anonymousreply 1110/17/2020

Truth, r11. They’ve usurped the law to create a false christa it’s much line the Taliban. The evangelicals won’t know it until us smacks them up side the head.

by Anonymousreply 1210/17/2020

Russia already has, why not the US? Same steps from the beginning from the Russian textbook of revolution will gradually transform America into a fascist country soon. SAD!!!

by Anonymousreply 1310/17/2020

Russia has no culture of democracy, R13.

by Anonymousreply 1410/17/2020

I’m by no means a supporter of Trump, nor am I a Republican, but it seems like the progressive left are the book burners these days. Cancel culture and doxing is the sjw go to when they don’t get their way. Conservatives have always been ridiculous, but now the left is catching up with them.

by Anonymousreply 1510/17/2020

Oh please, R15. The FBI and CIA have both been clear that far right groups are a major terror threat, not the left. And believe me, those agencies are not stocked with liberals and lefties, so if the Left was the real threat, they'd be the first to say so.

Frankly cancel culture is just another form of social media hyperventilating and doesn't involve stockpiling guns and other weapons or plots to suppress voting or take over governments.

Get a grip.

by Anonymousreply 1610/17/2020

There have been a series of scary articles on the NY Times (and elsewhere I suspect) about how neo-Nazis and other far right groups have infiltrated law enforcement and even the military in Germany.

People there didn't take the far right seriously for too long and now they've got a real problem.

Don't think for a second that there aren't white supremacists embedded in our law enforcement agencies and the military too. We need to flush them out. .

by Anonymousreply 1710/17/2020

Good God, you're all delusional. Almost none of Trump supporters are violent or malicious. Consider how venal the leftist cabal looks at this point. Christ leave Trump out of it and you got nothing. A lot of people voting T, don't even like him that much. They just want this globalist grifter mechanism shut down. Now go ahead and tell me how dumb and poor I am and how T hates his supporters, etc. etc....

by Anonymousreply 1810/17/2020

R11, R12- true. Also, allowing people to be infected this virus without any type of mitigation and a set callousness toward their death is almost as bad a as leading Jews, gays, gypsies and the disabled to their death as well.

It’s actually almost the same thing, as was slavery and the detainment of the Japanese. So yes bit already is, yet I believe it is wants more.

I think many of us will come to the conclusion that we will have to leave the United States if we want to remain safe, one day. Currently, there are people whom I know of back in Los Angeles, that are making plans to leave the United States if Trump wins another term. Wealthy people who can afford to GTFO and don’t subscribe to this BS, don’t want to raise their kids in an environment where others do, and would prefer to live elsewhere until he gets out of office.

by Anonymousreply 1910/17/2020

R16 both sides have their share of whackadoodles. It’s not the alt right rioting or attacking law enforcement. This is part of the problem. Finger pointing. The realty is exterminates exist on both sides and blaming one over the other won’t help solve the problem.

by Anonymousreply 2010/17/2020

*reality

by Anonymousreply 2110/17/2020

R18, but the globalist mechanisms will never be shut down and we both know this. So how is voting for Trump going to help or even shut it down?

You may not be dumb or poor, and being either isn’t a sin. However, it’s definitely a sin to allow the poor and/or less intelligent amongst us, to believe that globalization is something that can be reversed, and to use racism as a cornerstone as to why it’s a problem, when those who tell us it’s a problem, are the ones who benefit from it, the most!

by Anonymousreply 2210/17/2020

No, because the 2016 election scared the sh#$ out of the country-especially those liberals and democrats who had gotten lazy and not bothered to vote. Frankly, me. I didn’t vote in 2016 and now I’m scared straight. My prediction is that voter turnout will be high for at least the next few decades and the racists and fascists will return to their basements.

by Anonymousreply 2310/17/2020

It’s definitely a concern, OP, but Germanic ethnicity is hardly a red flag— it’s just incidentally the largest white ethnic group in the U.S. The white trash in those white supremacist groups are of any European lineage. Yes, I am very defensive, coming from a heavily Germanic progressive family.

by Anonymousreply 2410/17/2020

R24, most American Nazis today are not of German descent, so while I understand your point, that’s actually not necessary for fascism or totalitarianism.

by Anonymousreply 2510/17/2020

In 1932 elections, the NSDAP got more than 38% of the total electorate. That's also Trump's "floor."

It could happen here.

by Anonymousreply 2610/17/2020

This has nothing to do with being of German heritage you racist OP. Fascism happens to the best, most civilized societies if they don’t watch it. If England had lost WWI they would have blamed the Jews.

by Anonymousreply 2710/17/2020

It already is. Facebook and Twitter are trying to get Biden over the finish line.

by Anonymousreply 2810/17/2020

[quote]Almost none of Trump supporters are violent or malicious.

Dear, R18

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by Anonymousreply 2910/17/2020

r22 Point well taken.

by Anonymousreply 3010/17/2020

R30, we should just go dancing, and make this all bearable while we still can.

by Anonymousreply 3110/17/2020

I don't think Trump is a fascist. Like Obama said he doesn't really have an ideology and just goes with his whims.

And no we won't became a Nazi country. Half of it is Blue states.

by Anonymousreply 3210/17/2020

Trump is gleefully bashing down democratic norms and the GOP and his follows are happily supporting him.

Even Nazi Germany took a while to build up to what it became.

by Anonymousreply 3310/17/2020

It’s just about a people feeling threatened and blaming a suspicious minority.

Here white people (especially evangelicals) feel threatened economically but Trump helps them put the blame on minorities, Muslims, undocumented, gays, etc.

White people who aren’t in any of those groups may just turn a blind eye because it isn’t affecting them directly.

That’s exactly what happened in Germany

by Anonymousreply 3410/17/2020

[Quote] It already is. Facebook and Twitter are trying to get Biden over the finish line.

By blocking Russian interference to help Trump

by Anonymousreply 3510/17/2020

[Quote] Cancel culture and doxing is the sjw go to when they don’t get their way.

Things not going their way means police can continue kill minorities with impunity.

by Anonymousreply 3610/17/2020

I have a Jewish friend who actually thinks we shouldn’t compare Trump to Hitler because Hitler killed 4 million Jews.

I had to point out to him that there was a time Hitler had not yet killed millions of Jews. Wouldn’t it have been better to have stopped him back then?

by Anonymousreply 3710/17/2020

Trump is specifically trying to follow a fascism playbook. and his follower are just fine with that.

It can happen here. And from the point of view of those kids in cages, it’s already happened

by Anonymousreply 3810/17/2020

Look, those kids in cages are pictures from Obama's time, and they are humane holding areas that are necessary for children when the parents are working through they're hearings etc. Also it may make you feel good to complain, but they chose to enter as illegal immigrants knowing full well what they were doing in almost all cases.

by Anonymousreply 3910/17/2020

Hey r36, That's bullshit. (and, you know it!!!)

by Anonymousreply 4010/17/2020

No, the Hispanic backlash alone would plunge the country into a nightmare of non-mowed lawns, scruffy palm trees, no McDonald's, no clean restrooms, hotel rooms, no restaurant food, no stocked supermarkets.

by Anonymousreply 4110/17/2020

It won’t happen in the same way as Germany. If we had more of a monoculture like those Europeans countries did at the time, then maybe. But we are more likely to see a bloody cataclysmic civil war before a Nazi-like regime with true consolidated power.

How’s that for a more hopeful scenario?!

by Anonymousreply 4210/17/2020

Not even close, delusional OP. It has always been an authoritarian semi dictatorship though. The way America normalizes punishment for civilians is frightening as is the brainwashing of being the freeist nation in the world.

by Anonymousreply 4310/17/2020

Agree with R 42. Black people would revolt with the Hispanics first against the MAGA forces. White "moderate" republicans and centrist Democrats would stand by and watch till it caused their trip to Costco to be delayed or interrupted. Blue states would start forming their own alliances. People would then flow from the red to the blue to escape or join forces with each.

by Anonymousreply 4410/17/2020

It already is

by Anonymousreply 4510/17/2020

Yeah if you elect Biden/Harris this will be a Fascist country disguised in Cancel Culture Liberalism

by Anonymousreply 4610/17/2020

[Quote] Look, those kids in cages are pictures from Obama's time,

No they weren’t. Obama didn’t separate kids from their parents except in rare circumstances of suspected trafficking.

We now know the ripping of kids away from their parents was an actual policy dreamt up by the Trump White House, particularly Sessions

by Anonymousreply 4710/17/2020

[Quote] Yeah if you elect Biden/Harris this will be a Fascist country disguised in Cancel Culture Liberalism

Yes, supporting everyone having healthcare and housing is nothing short of fascism....

by Anonymousreply 4810/17/2020

The Oligarchy will sit back and watch as the middle and lower classes fight amongst each other for crumbs

by Anonymousreply 4910/17/2020

I really fear what will happen once the entire US economy tanks. That’s when the country is really going to start shedding blood.

by Anonymousreply 5010/17/2020

R8 Absolutely right. Celebrity worship seems to be even more prevalent in 2020. I want to have hope but I just see some things as too big to fail at this point. Children have iphones installed into their hands by the time they are tweens. That can not be doing much for the development of individual critical thought.

by Anonymousreply 5110/17/2020

[quote] We now know the ripping of kids away from their parents was an actual policy dreamt up by the Trump White House, particularly Sessions

So that’s routine now?

by Anonymousreply 5210/17/2020

Compare Muslim assimilation in the US compared to Europe. The US is clearly doing something right.

by Anonymousreply 5310/17/2020

One party sees culture and tradition as unifying values that bring people of all races together. Another group doesn't see individual differences, or even cultural and ethnic differences among Europeans, South Americans, and Middle Easterners. Instead they see just white, brown, and black and and believe greater representation is casting brown and black people as others. It's the radical left that scares me more as they emphasize genetic difference. Conservatives can be similarly close minded but at least they welcome minorities who think exactly like them.

by Anonymousreply 5410/17/2020

No, I do think this is the peak of the craziness. Biden has about a 90% chance of winning the election right now. It will take at least 8-16 years to reverse and move past all the shit Trump has done and we have a lot to fix in our country. Americans who are more centrist, progressive and even some conservatives are embarassed of what 2016 has given us. I think it has caused these people to have a "never again" attitude. But the hardcore Trump supporters? Forget it. They wil go the way of the dodo bird (eventually). States like Arizona, Texas, Georgia and Florida are going blue/purple and there is nothing they can do...and I can't wait to see their faces when it happens!

by Anonymousreply 5510/17/2020

OP, I notice a pattern with the threads you create. What is the fascination with turning the US into a Nazi state?

by Anonymousreply 5610/17/2020

R34, isn’t that EXACTLY what happened in Germany?

Listen guys, some of us need do to deep dives into FACTUAL history.

Adolph Hitler was a HUGE conspiracy theorist and promoted conspiracies.

Please learn your history so that you can see why this is very similar to what happened in Germany.

History repeats itself when people refuse to learn about the factual past.

by Anonymousreply 5710/17/2020

What happened in Germany is that there was an extremist leader who spread lots of propaganda (basically, make Germany great again) and people either got sucked into the idea of it without understanding what was really going on, or paid no attention and just let things happen. People need to pay attention.

by Anonymousreply 5810/17/2020

I think America was a semi-fascist state for much of the twentieth century. But I think it is less so now. Could it become one now? Yes, but you have to remember the American right today has an incompetence on a level not seen in Japan, Germany and Italy in olden times.

by Anonymousreply 5910/17/2020

R58, we are paying attention. The problem we have here in America, is that just like the the Germans, many here are paying attention to what they want to pay attention to in order to suit their personal biases and racism.

by Anonymousreply 6010/17/2020

R60 more people need to pay attention to what's *actually* going on, not just the propaganda (lies) that fits their personal narrative. I think we might be saying the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 6110/17/2020

[quote] It's the radical left that scares me more as they emphasize genetic difference. Conservatives can be similarly close minded but at least they welcome minorities who think exactly like them.

Care to proffer any more of your right wing verbal diarrhea? I guess you're particularly perky today: JFK Jr is supposed to be back from dead, join your Orange Führer and lead you to the Great Awakening! (Or, maybe, just serve you some Kool Aid...)

by Anonymousreply 6210/17/2020

What do I know, I didn't think Trump stood a snowballs chance in hell of being elected President of the US? After that anything is possible.

by Anonymousreply 6310/17/2020

[Quote] What is the fascination with turning the US into a Nazi state?

Interesting question R56. No, I don't wish to TURN the US into a Nazi state.

But I find it fascinating that we may be witnessing the death of democracy, the system we grew up in, during our lifetime. It's like watching the death of Ancient Greece in real time.

And we will not have a political system that will allow us the freedom to examine how and why it happened.

by Anonymousreply 6410/17/2020

And such a bald-faced lie. How many conservatives have stood up for Aaron Schock? None. How many treated Herman Cain like royalty? None. Look how they treated Colin Powell. Look how they treated Anne Armstrong and Shirley Temple Black. They do not "accept" minorities who think like them.

by Anonymousreply 6510/17/2020

[quote]I think America was a semi-fascist state for much of the twentieth century.

When I first read what you'd written, I thought - don't be ridiculous and then I thought I suppose you're right in a way.

by Anonymousreply 6610/17/2020

No. I think a right-winger smarter than Trump could get into office and create severe issues, but the country is too large and decentralized to make something like Nazi Germany work. I think the Union would fracture since the states are all set up to be capable of self-governing.

I mean, I don't think Nazism is ever going to go over in multiethnic, predominantly Asian Hawai'i. The economic power of the country is primarily centered in the more heavily populated Blue states.

I think if Biden gets in, there do need to be some serious checks put in place to prevent another Trump--expand the federal courts to rebalance the court packing done by Mitch McConnell. (It's not just the Supreme Court). Much stronger protection of voting rights and a sustained effort of rendering the electoral college powerless--i.e. such as having enough states sign on to the compact to hand over their electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote.

by Anonymousreply 6710/17/2020

One day?? How about right now?

by Anonymousreply 6810/17/2020

It's more than halfway there and all of it done under the guise of Christian "freedom".

by Anonymousreply 6910/17/2020

I really dont care, do you? Oh them trumps, what will they say next, except perhaps. "I heart facism".

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by Anonymousreply 7010/17/2020

R67 and I hope it becomes a requirement that presidential candidates must disclose their tax returns so we don’t get another president who is under financial pressure from a foreign government.

by Anonymousreply 7110/17/2020
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