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Janet’s “Son of a Gun” is superior to the original Carly Simon song “You’re So Vain”

Janet even got Carly to record for this song.

It’s superior in every way. And the video is fun and creepy and Janet, the legend and icon, looks incredible.

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by Anonymousreply 15310/19/2020

I will slap you with a mackerel, OP.

by Anonymousreply 110/12/2020

It's just awful. She can barely sing. How did she ever get a record contract? She should retire.

I know she basically is retired because nobody will buy her music or buy her concert tickets but she should retire officially now that she finally got into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame after 17 times of being refused.

by Anonymousreply 210/12/2020

No, I saw the video few years ago. The song and video sucked.

by Anonymousreply 310/12/2020

Is this the same album that sampled "Both Sides Now"? I know her fan's loved the album but it was a real misfire after the "janet" album.

by Anonymousreply 410/12/2020

No.

by Anonymousreply 510/12/2020

R2 is Madonna, still miffed that Janet is an Oscar nominee and she is not (nor will she ever be).

by Anonymousreply 610/12/2020

Carly was thrilled when Janet and Jimmy Jam phoned her up and asked her for sampling permission, so thrilled that she did them one better and also wrote her own "rap" for the song that you can hear more of on the album version.

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by Anonymousreply 710/12/2020

Madonna got into the R&R Hall of Fame on her first nomination R6.

Madonna and Janet Jackson are not even in the same category. Incomparable.

by Anonymousreply 810/12/2020

^Right. Janet is pretty and has talent. Madonna is good at using her vagina and making idiot vids for IG.

by Anonymousreply 910/12/2020

You’re right r8

Janet became a huge success based off her TALENT while Madonna became a huge success off her PUSSY.

by Anonymousreply 1010/12/2020

Sure Janbot...

by Anonymousreply 1110/12/2020

r4 No, it's the one she where she also sampled Ventura Highway.

by Anonymousreply 1210/12/2020

I love the macabre nature of the video. Britney (ever the Janet copycat) promptly filmed her "Overprotected" video in the exact same hotel months later, and even included an identical strut down the main corridor ala Janet's "Son of a Gun."

by Anonymousreply 1310/12/2020

You mean Someone to Call My Lover, r12? Another big hit for Janet, reaching #3 on the charts and getting praise from critics. Her soft, sweet vocals sound beautiful on it.

But all honesty, the song is comforting to me and makes me smile. It’s a good song.

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by Anonymousreply 1410/12/2020

Is this the video in which Janet reveals her snack of choice.... spiders?

by Anonymousreply 1510/12/2020

The album version without Missy is a lot better than the single version.

Carly was a better addition to this song than Missy.

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by Anonymousreply 1610/12/2020

[quote]Janet’s “Son of a Gun” is superior to the original Carly Simon song “You’re So Vain”

Which is why, of course, nobody -- NOBODY -- remembers Janet's version, while Carly's is considered a pop classic.

by Anonymousreply 1710/12/2020

Exactly R17.

Also nobody, NOBODY remembers Janet Jackson either. Her career went straight down the shitter decades ago.

by Anonymousreply 1810/12/2020

Some background:

Carly Simon was very excited to be asked if Janet could sample "You're So Vain." But she didn't have the rights to the original recording. So instead of paying her former label, Carly volunteered to re-record it for Janet. She also did an embarrassing "rap" about clouds to be included. Carly thought it was going to be a huge boost for her career.

But when Diddy intervened to remix the song, Carly discovered that she had been almost completely replaced by Missy Elliot. AND WAS PISSED.

by Anonymousreply 1910/12/2020

OP, you’re gay so you probably got blinded by Janet looking scrumptious in the video that you deluded yourself into thinking it was a good song.

by Anonymousreply 2010/12/2020

[quote]Carly thought it was going to be a huge boost for her career.

Then she shouldn't have done anything with Janet Jackson who as we all know - is career death personified.

by Anonymousreply 2110/12/2020

Nothing that bloated mess known as Janet Jackson does is superior to anything produced by a real artist, including their flatulence.

by Anonymousreply 2210/12/2020

She really does look DIVINE in this video.

by Anonymousreply 2310/12/2020

R21 ummm the two singles before this one were huge.

All For You was #1, and the most played song in the Country and best selling single that year, and Someone to Call My Lover was #3.

by Anonymousreply 2410/12/2020

I think it's safe to say that this is the only song Carly Simon did where the word n*gger is used.

by Anonymousreply 2510/12/2020

This bloated R22?

That's a Chrissy Metz level fatty.

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by Anonymousreply 2610/12/2020

Janet did not look like that then...

by Anonymousreply 2710/12/2020

Like this?

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by Anonymousreply 2810/12/2020

Carly Shimon. Janet Jackshon. I should've done a cover of Nashty:

And no, my name ishn't baby, it'sh Lizsha...Mish Minnelli if you're Nashty!

by Anonymousreply 2910/12/2020

[quote]All For You was #1, and the most played song in the Country and best selling single that year, and Someone to Call My Lover was #3.

You are so full of shit.

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by Anonymousreply 3010/12/2020

I haven't heard this song in so long. I think it's the last Janet album i bought.

by Anonymousreply 3110/12/2020

r25 and that's okay because Carly is 10% African.

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by Anonymousreply 3210/12/2020

R24 is such a liar.

Doesn't realize that we all have Google to fact check.

by Anonymousreply 3310/12/2020

She was cagey about who this song was about, but to me, it's clearly about her ex-husband Rene ("Stupid bitch, in my beach house...," "Baby gigolo, sex pistol, hollering at anything that walks...")

by Anonymousreply 3410/12/2020

[quote]Which is why, of course, nobody -- NOBODY -- remembers Janet's version

Nobody in your whitebread world of backwoods inbreeders, no.

by Anonymousreply 3510/12/2020

[quote]You are so full of shit.

No. Janet's Grammy-winning ALL FOR YOU single was the longest-running Hot 100 #1 of 2001 and broke several records at radio, some of which took ten years to be broken (ultimately by Gaga's BORN THIS WAY single). The year prior, Janet scored her 9th Hot 100 #1 with DOESN'T REALLY MATTER from the Nutty Professor 2 soundtrack, making her the first artist to have a #1 in the 80s, the 90s and the 2000s. And as the poster upthread said, AFY's follow up, SOMEONE TO CALL MY LOVER, was another top 5 hit.

And now that you've been schooled, you can go sit your stupid ass down in the corner.

by Anonymousreply 3610/12/2020

I loved the album version of the song. Unfortunately her stupid label released some awful remix version to radio that featured Missy Elliot and P. Diddy and it was a disaster. It would have charted better if they had left it the fuck alone.

by Anonymousreply 3710/12/2020

[quote]career death personified.

Is the reason HAGdonna shows her desperation so frequently on IG these days.

by Anonymousreply 3810/12/2020

Gawd, Britney is SUCH a shameless Janet rip-off. It's a tale as old as time, a white person steals something a black person does and people act like they invented it (like Miley and twerking).

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by Anonymousreply 3910/12/2020

r37, I like Missy Elliot but I feel the same way about this song. Her label just had to fuck it up with the Remix.

Every time I see this video I think about 9/11 because that's when the song came out. That and poor decisions by her label pretty much tanked the album after this single. All For You was a perfect album though, like Rhythm Nation. I used to play it from start to finish all the time.

by Anonymousreply 4010/12/2020

This is the only Janet song that I actually like.

by Anonymousreply 4110/12/2020

janbot thread

by Anonymousreply 4210/12/2020

Yep R42.

Janbot is every second post sharting out lies and hatred about Madonna - which is what this honeypot thread is actually about. Madonna hate.

by Anonymousreply 4310/13/2020

All JanBot does it post stupid articles and links about that fat, black, whisper-giggle voiced has-been - and post bad photos of Madonna.

If you have to compare Janezzzz to Madozzzza you have no idea how sad, irrelevant and fat you are, OP.

by Anonymousreply 4410/13/2020

This was my favorite song from All For You. I bought album the day it was released and remembered thinking they got to release this son as single. I was bummed when it didn't perform better thanks to shitty remix.

by Anonymousreply 4510/13/2020

R39 Both of those vids were filmed at the Biltmore Hotel in downtown LA.

by Anonymousreply 4610/13/2020

When i listened to All For You as a gayling, I always thought Michael Jackson was the one singing "clouds in my coffee" on this song

by Anonymousreply 4710/13/2020

This song showcases a glimpse of Janet's lyrical genius: "Ha ha / Hoo hoo / Thought you'd get the money too / Greedy mutherfuckers / Try to have your cake and eat it too"

by Anonymousreply 4810/13/2020

Sorry, OP, but no, no and FUCK no.

by Anonymousreply 4910/13/2020

...and I love Janet. And Janbot.

And reworking the Joni song and sampling Joni's voice was great.

But this Carly sample and song was D R E A D F U L

by Anonymousreply 5010/13/2020

[quote]But this Carly sample and song was D R E A D F U L

The problem is: it's not a sample.

It was rerecorded decades later to save paying Electra. And Carly's voice had changed -- and not for the better. And the bass riff that started "You're So Vain" was much better in the original.

And Carly Simon "rapping" was something no one asked for.

It would have been better if Janet Jackson had sampled the original song and otherwise left Carly out, like she did for the "Joni Mitchell is Never Wrong" song.

by Anonymousreply 5110/13/2020

Someone to Call My Lover was #3 on the charts and All For You was #1

I am not understanding the issue.

by Anonymousreply 5210/13/2020

Joni Mitchell Never Lies, you mean

by Anonymousreply 5310/13/2020

The album version is terrific, and kind of intriguing. Carly adds something to that version with her bogus rapping and lyrics, but it’s interesting. This version is a mess.

by Anonymousreply 5410/13/2020

Here is the album version. It’s a much better song than what her label released.

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by Anonymousreply 5510/13/2020

I loved seeing her perform this live at the AFY tour. Carly was on a huge screen behind Janet looking fabulous as she performed her parts of the song.

by Anonymousreply 5610/13/2020

Janet was so hot at this time, just when you thought she couldn't get better, she did with All For You. She was about 35 years old at this time and competing with the young girls Britney and Christina. I would've never imagined in 2001 that this single would be the end of Janet's heyday in business. After this she got with Jermaine Dupri and it was downhill from there. The Superbowl was the nail in the coffin and Janet fell off the face of the earth for years after Michael died.

by Anonymousreply 5710/13/2020

Jabba, give up. No one likes Janet except for you. And everyone hates you.

by Anonymousreply 5810/13/2020

Honey, no one but you uses the word Jabba. It's still painfully unfunny, sad and stinky, much like you, toots.

by Anonymousreply 5910/13/2020

Jump, Jabba! Jump!

by Anonymousreply 6010/13/2020

Janet is an icon. Stop.

by Anonymousreply 6110/13/2020

I think Jackson wearing the fright mask in every shot is brilliant.

That melted, whittled-down face would scare anyone!

by Anonymousreply 6210/13/2020

[quote] Honey, no one but you uses the word Jabba. It's still painfully unfunny, sad and stinky, much like you, toots.

Truth!

by Anonymousreply 6310/13/2020

[quote] The Superbowl was the nail in the coffin

The nail in the coffin as in what? Every iconic artist has peaks and valleys. Post Super Bowl, she continued touring, putting out #1 albums, doing films, winning awards, was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, penned a NY Times Bestselling self-help book...

by Anonymousreply 6410/13/2020

r64 I didn't mean her career was over, just her heyday as a charting pop music artist. Janet will always be an icon, but the Superbowl incident did put her career at a disadvantage because it was all people wanted to associate her with many for years after.

by Anonymousreply 6510/13/2020

[quote] I didn't mean her career was over,

No, you were right the first time.

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by Anonymousreply 6610/13/2020

^Fake news from a real moron.

by Anonymousreply 6710/14/2020

[quote] Fake news from a real moron.

Uh-oh, Jabba is PRESSED!

by Anonymousreply 6810/14/2020

^Pressed homo says what?

by Anonymousreply 6910/14/2020

Inside look at the broke, jealous Jackson family After a chance meeting as a young fan, Stacy Brown became friends with Jermaine Jackson — and later the rest of the Jackson family, including Michael. He helped write some of their memoirs, traveled on their tours, and even gave them loans (never to be repaid). Here, for the first time, Stacy explain what it’s like to be friends with the strangest family in America.

Randy Jackson, the second-youngest of the storied musical dynasty, likes to call his family “the black Kennedys.”

Maybe. But they certainly weren’t as smart with their ¬finances as the Kennedys.

Even before this month, when the family lost a $40 billion lawsuit against AEG over the death of Michael Jackson, they’ve struggled with debts. Especially when the family’s richest members, Michael and Janet, decided to cut off their seven other siblings and parents out of whim or spite.

A particularly low point came in 2003. No money was coming in, few of them had actual jobs and ¬Janet gave but one gift to her siblings: free meal cards to Baja Fresh, a fast-food chain with which she had an endorsement deal.

I visited Rebbie, the oldest of the Jackson kids, in Vegas, to work on a book. It was Baja Fresh for breakfast, lunch and dinner. From there I drove to Hayvenhurst, the family’s estate in Encino, Calif., to meet Katherine, the matriarch, and Jermaine.

And for 2¹/₂ weeks it was . . . Baja Fresh.

Finally, for the sake of my stomach, I offered to take Katherine to Trader Joe’s. She loaded the cart with groceries, and I ended up with the bill — $700.

There was no “thank you.” The money was never repaid. Whatever courtesies are shown to them are met with the air of “You did what you ought to. We are the Jacksons!”

by Anonymousreply 7010/14/2020

R70 The Jacksons aren't the Black Kennedys, they're the Black Trumps.

by Anonymousreply 7110/15/2020

R70 reads like a generic Enquirer article. The tone, the quoting and the fact that Janet Jackson NEVER had a deal with Baja Fresh all spell LIES. She’s had deals with Pepsi, JAL, NutriSystem, various Japanese phone companies, etc., but she never had a deal with BF.

by Anonymousreply 7210/15/2020

I love this song and the video. This was my favorite JJ album of all.

by Anonymousreply 7310/15/2020

The Baja Fresh thing is hilarious.

But it comes from the odious New York Post.

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by Anonymousreply 7410/15/2020

[quote] [R70] reads like a generic Enquirer article. The tone, the quoting and the fact that Janet Jackson NEVER had a deal with Baja Fresh all spell LIES. She’s had deals with Pepsi, JAL, NutriSystem, various Japanese phone companies, etc., but she never had a deal with BF.

Ooops, wrong again, Jabba.

by Anonymousreply 7510/15/2020

HAVE YOU SEEN HER NOSE??????

by Anonymousreply 7610/15/2020

No one has for ages. It's in a landfill somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 7710/15/2020

STAY

PRESSED

HUNTIES

by Anonymousreply 7810/15/2020

Gurl I will DIE if Janet steps out in a t-shirt saying "STAY PRESSED HUNTIES" 😂🤣

Yall should send her one

by Anonymousreply 7910/15/2020

Jabba can't afford it.

by Anonymousreply 8010/15/2020

I tried to order Janet a "STAY PRESSED HUNTIES" t-shirt but the vendor said, "I'm sorry, but we only go up to an XXXL"

by Anonymousreply 8110/16/2020

^I think you must’ve been attempting to order your mother one as an attempt to get back in her good graces. Y’know, one who disowned you for being a flamer.

by Anonymousreply 8210/16/2020

That's one shitty song.

by Anonymousreply 8310/16/2020

Pure shit thanks to Janet.

by Anonymousreply 8410/16/2020

My mother needlepoints quotations from great thinkers on throw pillows. There is Aristotle, Socrates, Shakespeare, etc..

On one pillow in the living room, there is delicately stitched the words "Ha ha hoo hoo, thought you'd get the money too. Greedy mutherfuckers try to have your cake and eat it too!"

by Anonymousreply 8510/16/2020

I think you may have been attempting some form of high-classed wit there, R85. However, it fell flat.

by Anonymousreply 8610/16/2020

R86 Stay pressed, girl.

by Anonymousreply 8710/16/2020

I love Janet. She's kind of forgotten nowadays though. At least she's not embarrassing herself like Madonna who has become the object of ridicule for the past 15 years. And she isn't a fame whore like Jennifer Lopez. Janet had a good run and released a lot of great material that is adored and sampled by many artists like Tinashe, Kendrick and Britney. I loved her recent album and felt it was a great return to form.

She needs to do a rock album or more house/synthpop music. Something different

by Anonymousreply 8810/16/2020

Jabba trying to disguise itself at R88

by Anonymousreply 8910/16/2020

R89 I'm very confused as to why as female singer who has released so many dance tracks is hated on here? Isn't that what we love to hear? I mean Janet is high up there on the Billboard dance charts, only Madonna, Beyonce and Rihanna are ahead of her.

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by Anonymousreply 9010/16/2020

Janet’s ‘tits just under the neck’ look is ridiculous..

by Anonymousreply 9110/16/2020

Early 2000s had a lot of middle-aged women trying to do the sexpot thing and try to sing teenybopper songs like Janet, Madonna, Jennifer Lopez, Mariah Carey and Toni Braxton. I guess they felt threatened when Britney, Christina, Pink, Destiny's Child and Ashanti came onto the scene AKA younger and sexier models were replacing them.

by Anonymousreply 9210/16/2020

Now it's Gaga, Katy, Beyonce, Nicki, Rihanna and Britney being replaced by Ariana, Miley, Dua, Cardi, Camila and Billie.

by Anonymousreply 9310/16/2020

Meanwhile, Mariah has a number one NY Times bestselling book out and Lee Daniels is in talks for it to be adapted for the big screen.

Meanwhile, Madonna's bleaching her asshole hair and showing it on Instagram. And who knows what Janet is doing.

by Anonymousreply 9410/16/2020

[quote] Meanwhile, Mariah has a number one NY Times bestselling book out and Lee Daniels is in talks for it to be adapted for the big screen.

[quote] Meanwhile, Madonna's working with Diablo Cody on her own bio-pic.

Fixed that for you.

by Anonymousreply 9510/16/2020

Madonna, Mariah and Janet are all equally irrelevant except to their fans. They all had good runs. The current big pop stars are Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande, Camila Cabello and Billie Eilish. Rihanna is probably the closest to Madonna in maintaining longevity and scoring several hits but her long hiatus makes it hard to tell if she's still at the top. Katy used to be the biggest pop star until her last album flopped. Beyonce, Britney, Pink, Christina and Ciara are all basically supported by their fanbases and haven't had hits in years.

by Anonymousreply 9610/16/2020

^You forgot Gaga, who recently had a big #1 album, a couple of hit singles from said album and won an Oscar and her second Golden Globe for one of the biggest songs of her career.

by Anonymousreply 9710/16/2020

Janet already did the #1 NY Time Bestselling book thing AND the Lee Daniels thing. Mariah, in fact, ended up getting Janet’s part in Lee Daniels’s TENNESSEE when Janet had to back out of the project.

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by Anonymousreply 9810/16/2020

^^ What a bunch of horseshit. Like Janet would need an excuse to be fat.

by Anonymousreply 9910/16/2020

I always find it highly amusing how the vapid, airheaded chanteuse that thought she was going to save the world through dance music (that was the half-baked concept behind "Rhythm Nation, remember? We were all going to dance away the world's problems!) now cannot even be mentioned in a thread without a flame war starting.

So much for "people of the world unite!"

by Anonymousreply 10010/16/2020

Janet's music aged about as well as her nose.

by Anonymousreply 10110/16/2020

Janet, Madonna and Mariah should've just been proud of what they accomplished and cared less when Britney, Christina et al came along. Music was shit by then. MTV was over. Their output looks so insignificant to what the ladies did in the 80s/early 90s. And now we have even less insignificant shit in the likes of Ariana Grande, Billie Eilish and Camilla Cabello. Their careers will not be remembered like their predecessors. Barenaked Ladies, one of the most irritating bands of all time, has some of the most profound lyrics ever recorded - it's all been done.

by Anonymousreply 10210/16/2020

That's fucking awful. There's no melody, no hook, nothing to latch onto or that stays in your head. This is notable for the videography and Janet's (once again) snatched waist and visible abs. Otherwise, forgettable garbage.

by Anonymousreply 10310/16/2020

[quote]I always find it highly amusing how the vapid, airheaded chanteuse that thought she was going to save the world through dance music (that was the half-baked concept behind "Rhythm Nation, remember? We were all going to dance away the world's problems!)

You sound like the stupid bitch reporter who got OWNED by Janet in this speech, a speech given while accepting an award from two young girls who finished school thanks to that "half-baked" concept.

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by Anonymousreply 10410/16/2020

R104 that's weird, because only a TRUE stupid bitch such as yourself would think that 2 girls graduating high school has any meaningful impact on the world whatsoever.

2 stupid losers getting their GED did nothing for world harmony. And the world is more fucked up than ever. Thanks, Janet!

by Anonymousreply 10510/17/2020

[quote]You forgot Gaga, who recently had a big #1 album

It wasn't big. It debuted at #1 and then dropped like a stone. Flop.

by Anonymousreply 10610/17/2020

R102 I think for the most part Janet and Mariah stayed in their lanes...wasn’t Madonna the one shoving her tongue down Britney’s and Christina’s throat at some awards show...only to repeat this desperate act years later by assaulting Drake?

by Anonymousreply 10710/17/2020

Now I'm convinced more than ever that the diseased slag at R100/R105 IS that hideous reporter. Gurl, you got OWNED on national TV by Janet Jackson. It was years ago, but the impact remains the same. Live with it, deal with it, soak it in and marinate in it.

by Anonymousreply 10810/17/2020

[quote] It wasn't big

It debuted at #1 in multiple countries and sold like hotcakes. It was big.

by Anonymousreply 10910/17/2020

R108 Tsk tsk, what would your dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks idol Janet think about you being such a nasty cunt? You're supposed to UNITE to solve the world's problems with DANCING, you silly bitch! You're being very divisive.

You'd best change your attitude, or your passport as a citizen of Rhythm Nation may get revoked!

Now get to steppin'...there's a conflict with North Korea that needs solving.

by Anonymousreply 11010/17/2020

R109 Madonna albums debut at #1 and then drop off the charts immediately.

Lady Gaga's latest is at #76 after only 19 weeks.

Harry Styles is at #21 after 43 weeks.

Gaga's album was a flop.

by Anonymousreply 11110/17/2020

***pant pant***

We've been dancing for 31 years straight, non-stop! Is racism over yet? Is there peace in the Middle East?

Can we stop?

***wheeze wheeze***

We're exhausted!

We're beginning to think maybe this wasn't such a great idea!

by Anonymousreply 11210/17/2020

Janet's bare titty undid all the world peace she had brought about.

by Anonymousreply 11310/17/2020

R112, let it go, darlin'. You're clearly out of your element.

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by Anonymousreply 11410/17/2020

This just in:

President Janet Jackson of the Rhythm Nation has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Her efforts to save the world with dance music while raking in millions for herself, actually resulted in two high school dropouts achieving the amazing, almost unheard-of feat of getting their GEDs, which did, in fact, literally save the world.

Says her number one fan, Janbot of DL:

"The world's still here, isn't it? That's because SHE SAVED IT! Prove me wrong, cunts!!! And FUCK YOU!!!! Rhythm Nation is in the House, Bitches!!!"

Her beloved niece, Paris Jackson, had this to say:

"She proved how committed she is to world peace by slapping the shit out of me. I might also add that she has done more to solve the problem of food going to waste than just about any celebrity in history. This award will no doubt sit proudly on her mantle, right next to her Emmy for 'Good Times', and her Oscar for 'Poetic Justice'. What? Oh, uh, wait...never mind!"

by Anonymousreply 11510/17/2020

^Lamer than your previous post, which is a major feat in and of itself.

by Anonymousreply 11610/17/2020

Jabba is PRESSED! Stay pressed, Jabba, you fat cunt.

by Anonymousreply 11710/17/2020

Janet did the RN scholarship back then, which is more than her contemporaries at the time we’re doing for the kids.

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by Anonymousreply 11810/17/2020

Putting her money where her mouth is...The RN Scholarship Fund

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by Anonymousreply 11910/17/2020

Janet ❤️s the kids...

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by Anonymousreply 12010/17/2020

I always thought You Ain’t Right, Love Scene, or Trust a Try from the AFY album would have made better singles than Son of a Gun. Even though I loved that song, it simply wasn’t single material.

by Anonymousreply 12110/17/2020

[quote]Even though I loved that song, it simply wasn’t single material.

Unlike Janet.

by Anonymousreply 12210/17/2020

R121, I agree. You Ain’t Right and Trust a Try are amazing tracks. The strings on TAT are amazing!

by Anonymousreply 12310/17/2020

Janet stans, how many albums did Janet have to complete on Virgin after All For You? Virgin should have paid Janet out, or let her out of her contract, no strings attached, after they fucked up the promotion for AFY. Like it was an epic loss of a masterpiece. IMO AFY one of the most underrated major albums of any pop artist. It was perfect for the early 2000s, bridged the old school Jackson sound with futuristic music. And it was so sexy.

by Anonymousreply 12410/17/2020

Virgin couldn't wait to get rid of Janet. They lost a bundle on her.

by Anonymousreply 12510/17/2020

AFY was successful

by Anonymousreply 12610/17/2020

[quote]Janet stans, how many albums did Janet have to complete on Virgin after All For You?

She had two more albums to do, which were completed with Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. After 9/11, Virgin sort of lagged in the promo despite the very strong opening of the album. I wish she had done an all-out expensive video for China Love, shot on location somewhere in the Orient, with a plot, gorgeous cinematography and Russell Wong or some hot Asian actor as her male lead, etc.

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by Anonymousreply 12710/17/2020

[quote] Virgin sort of lagged in the promo despite the very strong opening of the album

Sure. It's never Janet's fault. It's always someone else's. Idiot.

by Anonymousreply 12810/17/2020

They did lag. I think that after 9/11, everything just sort of came to a standstill, particularly in the entertainment industry. Artists were afraid to fly anywhere, and everybody's mind was on the monumental event that had just happened to our country.

by Anonymousreply 12910/17/2020

Really, because earlier you argued what a humongous hit album All For You was. I believe you inflated the sales to 10m worldwide. So which is it? Was the album a hit or did Virgin drop the ball? I know your ass is huge like your idol's, but you can't keep talking out of both sides of it.

by Anonymousreply 13010/17/2020

^All For You opened big, jackass. It debuted at #1 with more than 600,000 copies sold the first week, the highest first-week sales of Janet's career. The title track first single was the longest-running Hot 100 #1 single of 2001 and won a Grammy, and the follow-up single "Someone To Call My Lover" was another top 5 Hot 100 hit. "Son of a Gun" was released in December at a time when the world was still reeling from 9/11, which is why Virgin later slowed promo despite the strong, successful opening of the project. This is not rocket science.

by Anonymousreply 13110/17/2020

R131 also the second highest debut for a female artist ever, at that time.

by Anonymousreply 13210/18/2020

[quote] "Son of a Gun" was released in December at a time when the world was still reeling from 9/11, which is why Virgin later slowed promo despite the strong, successful opening of the project. This is not rocket science.

more likely it was that the album had run out of steam at that point and there was no reason to throw any more payola at it.

it's not rocket science, fat ass.

by Anonymousreply 13310/18/2020

^Too stupid to live, too pitiful to kill.

by Anonymousreply 13410/18/2020

It hadn't run out of steam. It was only single #3 from All For You. Janet had a history of releasing 6-7 singles from an album. I think 9/11 did have an impact on promotion. The bummer was there were so many other songs that could've been good singles. It was sort of a waste.

by Anonymousreply 13510/18/2020

^Agreed.

by Anonymousreply 13610/18/2020

Except that on Janet's previous album, Velvet Rope, five singles were released and only two hit the top 40. Virgin knew it was over for her so they didn't bother to waste any more money trying to get blood from a fat stone.

God, Jabba, for someone who claims to be such a big Janet fan, you sure don't know dick.

And that goes for all your secondary browser faked responses, too.

by Anonymousreply 13710/18/2020

^For all the embarrassingly dumb posters on DL, and there are many, you have got to be the stupidest one of all.

TVR was multiplatinum, toured huge and contained one of Janet's biggest selling singles of all time on a worldwide scale. All For You opened bigger than TVR with a huge, record breaking, Grammy-winning #1 first single and Janet's biggest first-week album sales ever. If any of that spells "over" to you, then maybe you need to rethink your life in general.

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by Anonymousreply 13810/18/2020

[quote]Was the album a hit or did Virgin drop the ball?

r130 the two aren't mutually exclusive if we are talking sonically, from an artistic standpoint. I am not the Janet bot who is going to sit up here and say everything Janet created was a hit. I like Janet Jackson but am not that poster, please don't mix us up.

From a musical stand point only, regardless of sales, chart performance, dollars made, All For You WAS a hit album with excellent songs, extremely creative and innovative. Like I said before, just when everyone though Jam/Lewis and Janet could not take it to another level, they did. Doesn't Really Matter was the lead in to the new sound that would be All For You. Most critics at the time said it was like a breath of fresh air for pop music. Janet was a very seasoned act by the year 2000, but she managed to completely reinvent her image and sound, again. That's why I feel this album of hers in particular, was largely wasted by her label. The songs that should have singles remained album cuts, especially Trust A Try. That was a huge creative loss and even Janet said she wanted it to be a single.

by Anonymousreply 13910/18/2020

It's not my favorite, but I'll give her this: At least Janet didn't ride this ONE fucking song for decades after.

by Anonymousreply 14010/18/2020

R140 Carly Simon had more talent in her clit than Janet Jackson had in her entire body -- which is now enormous.

Janet was created by talented by producers. Carly was her own creation.

by Anonymousreply 14110/18/2020

I know more about cattle prods than R141 knows about clits. And believe me, I know absolutely nothing about cattle prods.

by Anonymousreply 14210/18/2020

Janet threads always become so toxic and bitchy. Janet is definitely not above criticism but she was a successful pop star. She was not Madonna huge though. Yeah she was manufactured but no more than Madonna was. Madonna and Janet certainly have better discographies than the manufactured pop girls after them like Britney, Christina, Rihanna and Beyonce. Janet is way more likable than Madonna and she provided solid albums. I have no problem with Janet and never will.

by Anonymousreply 14310/18/2020

Who cares, R143?

by Anonymousreply 14410/18/2020

[quote] ^For all the embarrassingly dumb posters on DL, and there are many, you have got to be the stupidest one of all.

Jabba is PRESSED!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 14510/18/2020

"Janet threads always become so toxic and bitchy."

I wonder why that is.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that she's a fat, toxic cunt, whose fan base consists of other fat, toxic cunts.

by Anonymousreply 14610/18/2020

[quote] I wonder why that is.

It's the same reason there ARE any Janet threads in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 14710/18/2020

I really like this mashup of Janet's "Just a Little While" and Everything but the Girl's song "Missing".

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by Anonymousreply 14810/18/2020

Hahahuhu 😏

by Anonymousreply 14910/19/2020

I'm a 90s Eurotrash bitch. The only "Son of a Gun" that matters...

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by Anonymousreply 15010/19/2020

I love that, R148!

by Anonymousreply 15110/19/2020

Another Carly Simon Janet Jackson connection.

Carly worked on this song with one of Janet's producers. He tried to get her to sing it like Janet would, with a very soft, light voice.

Carly did not feel comfortable with this approach but said she trusted the producer so went along with it.

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by Anonymousreply 15210/19/2020

^That’s cool. Wikipedia shows that Carly wrote it with Wade Robson and Carol Bayer Sager. It also says that the album was inspired by Brazilian music, which is a favorite genre of Janet’s.

by Anonymousreply 15310/19/2020
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