Let's revisit the train wreck that was the 1989 Academy Awards
The Lowe brothers must have been really excited heading into the 1989 Academy Awards. Rob Lowe was set to open the show with none other than “the star of all time” (whatever that means), Snow White. And later on in the telecast, Chad Lowe would take to the stage with 18 (for some reason the total was 19, not 20) “stars of tomorrow” for a nine-minute musical number. Both of the performances would go on to be memorable—but for all the wrong reasons.
The 1989 Oscars were actually groundbreaking in many ways that didn’t involve cringe-inducing singing and dancing. The brainchild of Grease producer Allan Carr, the show—held on Wednesday, March 29—had a lot of firsts: the first year with no host, the first red carpet as we know it today, the first time the Best Picture nominees were each given separate presentations, and the first time “the Oscar goes to...” was standardized. But those aren’t the fun topics to cover when looking back at the most infamous Oscars show ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||Last Sunday at 10:15 PM|
The actress who played Snow White quoted Rob Lowe as saying to her when they first went to Allan Carr's home "Never trust a man in a caftan."
|by Anonymous||reply 1||10/11/2020|
It was Lucy's last public appearance. She and Bob Hope introduced the stars of tomorrow.
She died a month later in April 1989.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||10/11/2020|
I'd rather watch Miss Ann-Margret's Oscar opening. It's so...so...
|by Anonymous||reply 4||10/11/2020|
Imagine having to sit through the Oscars in person. Must be absolute torture.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||10/11/2020|
CHanging the famous phrase "And the winner is..." to "And the Oscar goes to..." was stupid. It's a competition with a winner.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||10/11/2020|
Did any of the stars of tomorrow actually become stars? My recollection is that they were mostly nepotistic oddments of LA, the equivalents of today's Willow Smith or Rumer Willis, and quickly disappeared from the public eye.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||10/11/2020|
Most of them never became stars and quickly disappeared.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||10/11/2020|
Were any of the stars of tomorrow also Miss or Mr. Golden Globes?
|by Anonymous||reply 12||10/11/2020|
The "Stars of Tomorrow" danced around the Golden Oscar Idol and sang about wanting to win an Oscar statuette someday. As of 2020, none of them have.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||10/11/2020|
I tried to watch the clip at the link, but when Snow White started warbling my cat who'd been sleeping next to me woke up, turned around and gave me a death glare. I turned it down and asked if that was better. Death glare. I turned it off and she turned around and went back to sleep.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||10/11/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 17||10/11/2020|
Does Rob Lowe come on here and find things to post about himself every two weeks?
|by Anonymous||reply 18||10/11/2020|
Charmless Rob Lowe with his kabuki tranny face (later a face like an old man's ballsack skin.)
The event usually manages to snag the most repulsive fucking hosts:
Billy Crystal (x9 FFS) Seth MscFarlane. Neil Patrick Harris. Ellen DeGeneres. Anne Hathaway & James Franco.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||10/11/2020|
At least they didn't have Beyonce sing all the songs.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||10/11/2020|
Ching chong ching chong ching ching ching
|by Anonymous||reply 21||10/11/2020|
Ricki Lake said in a podcast interview that Lucille Ball was in a particularly nasty mood that night.
Ricki said they were all gathered in a sort of cardboard Green Room area back stage.
Lucy was chain-smoking and Ricki went over to her to tell her how much Lucy meant to her.
Ricki wouldn't repeat what Lucy said (she said it was out of respect for Lucy,) but Ricki summed it up by saying, "Lucy clearly didn't want to be there"
|by Anonymous||reply 22||10/11/2020|
Which was the year the Oscars had this blooper: two animated characters were superimposed over two adjacent empty seats, then a seat filler suddenly and unknowingly sat down in one of the two seats, smiling away - thus it looked like the animated character was sitting in her lap? I remember this happening on live TV, but I've never been able to find a clip of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||10/11/2020|
"Get your fat fucking gunt away from me, Hairspray."
|by Anonymous||reply 24||10/11/2020|
I thought Lucy quit smoking a few years before she died, because her doctors were screaming at her to stop.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||10/11/2020|
"JHC, you're a bigger fatter loser than the last Ricky who fucked me over!"
|by Anonymous||reply 26||10/11/2020|
Allan Carr wanted Lorna Luft to be Snow White. Lorna turned him down, because she thought her career was too big at the time to be reduced to playing Snow White at the oscars. Allan was furious and told Lorna that he made her and she was ungrateful. They never spoke again. Michael Musto said at the time that Lorna's decision was the best career move a celebrity ever made.
The show was basically a collection of Allan Carr's friends minus Ann Margret. Olivia Newton John and Matt Lattanzi (A bizarre choice for Star of Tomorrow given that he had been acting in big screen pics for almost a decade at that point) Jaqueline Bisset, who got something like twenty five close ups during the ceremony, Ali MacGraw.
The number was actually supposed to be even longer, but they cut out a dance scene involving Mayim Bialik and the Mills Brothers.
Bette Midler was supposed to play Lily's part but backed out after she got snubbed for a Best Actress nomination for Beaches.
This came close to being Doris Day's big swan song from public view. She was scheduled to present with Patrick Swayze, but pulled out the day before when she tripped over a sprinkler on her lawn and hurt her ankle.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||10/11/2020|
The opening number was just horrible, and made absolutely no sense. Really just random shit that Carr threw against the wall to see what would stick with no cohesion. Why would you have Snow White go up to the nominees like that when they’re already under enough stress? The presenter theme was inspired with co stars, companions and compadres, and would’ve been great with some major A listers showing up for it, but Carr couldn’t get enough of them. Plus even that wasn’t a continued theme of the evening with Dennis Quaid and Michelle Pfeiffer co presenting and they had no connection to each other. Carr invited Doris Day, but she had an accident and skipped it.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||10/11/2020|
[quote] told Lorna that he made her
No I made her, and my little, sweet retard too.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||10/11/2020|
[quote]Bette Midler was supposed to play Lily's part but backed out after she got snubbed for a Best Actress nomination for Beaches.
Bette was really delusional enough to think she'd get nominated for Beaches?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||10/11/2020|
No, Bette was angry that Otto Titsling wasn't nominated for Best Song.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||10/11/2020|
[quote]Most of them never became stars and quickly disappeared.
Fuck you R10. The Rocketeer was HUGE in Thailand.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||10/11/2020|
IIRC Carr didn't even bother to clear the use of the Snow White character in this debacle
On top of all the other blow back, the following day Carr got served with a Cease & Desist letter from Disney
|by Anonymous||reply 36||10/11/2020|
Bruce Vilanch talks about the show...
|by Anonymous||reply 37||10/11/2020|
Whet Corey Parker? I used to have the hots for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||10/11/2020|
The point of the Snow White character was taken from Beach Blanket Babylon, the long-running San Francisco show where Snow White, seeking Prince Charming, runs into lots of pop culture figures, giving actors the chance to caricature a shifting cast of characters. This point was completely lost at the Oscars, though, where it makes little sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||10/11/2020|
Well, it wasn't boring. So there's that! And Christian Slater became a star. For a red hot moment.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||10/11/2020|
The evening of the show Allan Carr believed his Academy Awards production had been a success
it took days for his to accept the enormity of this failure
then Carr quietly crawled out of LA in his caftan and lived a reclusive life (wishing he had a DL community to join)
|by Anonymous||reply 41||10/11/2020|
[quote] wishing he had a DL community to join
What if he started DL? He died in 1999. It's possible!
|by Anonymous||reply 42||10/11/2020|
[quote]1989's 32-year-old starlet Melora Hardin
Are you insane?
I was detective Adrian Monk's dead wife Trudy!
I was Jan for several seasons on The Office!
|by Anonymous||reply 43||10/11/2020|
Tiffany from General Hospital was in the audience!
|by Anonymous||reply 44||10/11/2020|
That future stars number wasn't bad, at least some of them had talent performing live.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||10/11/2020|
So who were the real "Stars of Tomorrow" in 1989? Julia Roberts would hit it big with Pretty Woman the following year. George Clooney and Brad Pitt were still slogging away on television guest spots. Sandra Bullock also had a few tv credits. Leo Dicaprio was still unknown. Nicole Kidman was still in Australia.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||10/11/2020|
What's weird is how many of the kids chosen as "stars of tomorrow" were children or related to other stars. Keith Coogan (he was cute), Joely Fisher, Carrie Hamilton, Tyrone Power Jr, Patrick O'Neal Jr, Tracy Nelson, Chad Lowe....
|by Anonymous||reply 47||10/11/2020|
R46 Johnny Depp was about to break out in Cry Baby and Edward Scissorhands in 1990, he had been on 21 Jump Street for several years. Brad Pitt guested on 21 Jump Street in the late 80s and did a lot of TV in 1989 and '90, was about to do Thelma And Louise, his breakout role, in 1991.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||10/11/2020|
Keanu Reeves was already making a name for himself—about to get a high profile with Bill & Ted and Parenthood in 1989, but having already appeared in minor roles in such things as Youngblood (with Rob Lowe!) and more prominently in River's Edge. But he was nowhere to be found in Alan Carr's vision of the Stars of Tomorrow.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||10/11/2020|
1989? I don't even remember this year's.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||10/11/2020|
Here's the documentary about the shitshow. OP probably stole this thread idea from the recent Alan Carr thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||10/11/2020|
R27 made me laugh so hard and unexpectedly that I choked on my own saliva.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||10/11/2020|
Allan Carr received a phone call the next morning from former POTUS Ronald Reagan congratulating him on the show.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||10/11/2020|
I recall reading that Dorothy Lamour dieted and lost 40 pounds just for her 10 second appearance in that Cocoanut Grove number.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||10/11/2020|
R22, Rob Lowe said that Lucy congratulated him backstage on the opening number and added that she was unaware he could sing so well.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||10/11/2020|
[quote]R28 Allan Carr wanted Lorna Luft to be Snow White.
A 37-year-old Snow White?
Did he see the movie?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||10/11/2020|
Ronald Reagan was already quite senile by then.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||10/11/2020|
This is the year G can barely contain her disappointment and throws her hands up in disgust.
Susan Weaver looks very glum having already lost earlier in the evening.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||10/11/2020|
In the R60 clip Tom Cruise says
[quote]“The five women we honor tonight with nominations for Best Actress in a Leading Role have proven to be as resilient as they are talented.”
What the hell does that mean? They all survived house fires in their youth?
|by Anonymous||reply 61||10/11/2020|
From Wikipedia, this description of the Grim Reaper's Round-Up...
[quote]During the main number, before Rob Lowe's entrance, a crooning Merv Griffin introduced a procession of once famous Hollywood stars ranging from Alice Faye to Roy Rogers and Dale Evans to Vincent Price, which seemed more forced than natural as the elders were practically guided across the stage by male dancers (some dressed as chairs and tables).
|by Anonymous||reply 62||10/12/2020|
Rob Lowe is so talented for a straight guy. Oh wait.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||10/12/2020|
R61, it means they were stretched and snapped right back.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||10/12/2020|
Yes r54 r24 post was hilarious.
Bless you all here at DL...you give me some of the only laughs Ive had lately
|by Anonymous||reply 65||10/12/2020|
R61 not too hard to figure out. The resilience part has to do with rolling with punches that comes with being a working actress, especially in Hollywood.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||10/12/2020|
It just seems like kind of an off topic thing to say.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||10/12/2020|
Well, Jodie could certainly lay claim to resilient...
|by Anonymous||reply 68||10/12/2020|
Every last male in that stage had sex with merv
|by Anonymous||reply 69||10/12/2020|
R60, Jodie's ugly dress was obviously not designed by a gay male.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||10/12/2020|
R68 I think the Hinckley thing would qualify Jodie and she paid the price for fame in droves because of that. Griffith probably had the easiest out of that group of actresses because of being Tippis daughter, but she did have to prove herself with Working Girl to break out of the bimbo roles.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||10/12/2020|
That's what I was referring to, r71. Plus, she had done the rare feat of successfully transitioning from child actor to adult star. r70, I clearly remember my dear friend Dan saying at the time, "If you have to hike up your strapless dress, you shouldn't be wearing a strapless dress."
|by Anonymous||reply 72||10/12/2020|
Tom and Jodie. Tom is all like "girl, you look fierce tonight!"
|by Anonymous||reply 73||10/12/2020|
Jodie must be really tiny if Tom's taller than she is.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||10/12/2020|
I have stood near Jodie Foster, R74, and I can confirm that she's much more petite than I, at least, would have expected—I'd thought she was a huskier girl.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||10/12/2020|
[quote]Every last male in that stage had sex with merv
As Merv grew older and more rotund
he came to appreciate the roomy comfort of a good caftan
|by Anonymous||reply 76||10/12/2020|
[quote]The five women we honor tonight with nominations for Best Actress in a Leading Role have proven to be as resilient as they are talented.
Maybe he meant how I suffered so much when my great love John Cazale died but then quickly got married six months later to someone else.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||10/12/2020|
Allan Carr was before my time, but he appeared to be batshit crazy.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||10/12/2020|
In 2017 a documentary about Carr's life was released entitled The Fabulous Allan Carr. The director of The Fabulous Allan Carr Jeffrey Schwarz said, "Although it was no secret that Allan Carr was gay, he never formally acknowledged it publicly. The word 'flamboyant' was used to describe him, a code word." (Wikipedia)
Guess that's how it was in those days. I remember being a kid and thinking he was gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||10/12/2020|
I talked to Jodie last year at a party for Hotel Artemis(or was it the year before-I no longer have any concept of time). She is very small and I have to say, surprisingly one of the sweetest celebs I've talked to.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||10/12/2020|
R79, That documentary also said Carr's first sexual experience with a man was quite late, some guy he encountered at a beach.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||10/12/2020|
The Allan Carr documentary is free on Amazon Prime. One thing you can say about him is that he had a genuine love and enthusiasm for movies.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||10/12/2020|
R82, He hired Nancy Walker to direct "Can't Stop the Music" even though she had no idea what she was doing.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||10/12/2020|
Yeah, r83, what WAS that about?
|by Anonymous||reply 84||10/12/2020|
[quote][R79], That documentary also said Carr's first sexual experience with a man was quite late, some guy he encountered at a beach.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||10/12/2020|
I read the book on him years ago, which completely went into the whole oscar debacle. He planned it for a year, unlike most producers who only do it for a couple of weeks. It also goes in depth into Can't Stop the Music, and some juicy tidbits on Grease 2.
Nancy and Valerie Perrine hated each other and had to have someone rely communication between them on the CSTM set.
Nancy knew the movie was total shit, but attended the premiere and left a half hour into the movie.
Phylicia Rashad was supposed to be in it, being married to one of the Village People at the time. I can't remember the reason she got dropped, but Sammy Davis wife got the part instead.
Carr was a mini Merv Griffin. He had huge gay parties at his mansion. Every good looking actor in his movies was either from Carr's casting couch or someone whom Carr lusted after but couldn't have.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||10/12/2020|
[quote]R70 Jodie's ugly dress was obviously not designed by a gay male.
It was reportedly bought off the rack, from a department store.
I feel it could have been way worse, however. And I’m gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||10/12/2020|
I love Jane & Michael Stern's description of Allan Carr: "Creating the neologism 'glitterfunk' to describe himself, he sashayed forth in a wardrobe of flowing caftans and kimonos, ankle-length mink coats, and vixenish diamond jewelry, his small, round head ringed with curls permed by Vidal Sassoon."
I'm vaguely also remembering a report that he had his teeth wired shut in order to lose weight, but carried around a pair of wire cutters in case of emergency, which eventually transpired over some too tempting dish—but I'm not finding a source for that now.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||10/12/2020|
Interview with Eileen Bowman, who played Snow White.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||10/12/2020|
R87 she actually bought that monstrosity in Italy. I still think it’s the worst outfit ever worn by a best actress winner. But I forgive Jodie for it. She was re-emerging in Hollywood and still trying to find her style. Plus she was so charming and humble in her backstage interview. Compare this to her SOTL Oscar where she looked incredible, but obnoxious in her acceptance speech and backstage interview thinking a second Oscar and started to believe she could do no wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||10/12/2020|
Thinking a second Oscar made her invincible ^^^.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||10/12/2020|
Two things I thought were good about this embarrassing spectacle. One was a short film, commemorating Hollywood musicals The one quarrel I had with it was that it didn't feature Bob Fosse and Carol Haney in the dancing segment. I also liked saying "The Oscar goes to" instead of "and the winner is." That seemed a lot more fair than saying out of all the nominees one is the "winner" and the rest losers. At rate. the show was a disaster and the opening sequence had become infamous for its stupidity. Did the actress who played Snow White ever work again? I heard it destroyed her career.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||10/12/2020|
Her name is Eileen Bowman and here is an article about her appearance:
|by Anonymous||reply 94||10/12/2020|
Oops, sorry. I didn't notice that had already been posted.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||10/12/2020|
I watched the opening number again and I confess that I enjoyed the part introducing the old stars. Cyd Charisse got in some good dance moves.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||10/12/2020|
People were aghast at the Old Hollywood stars being paraded out because many of them had been out of the public eye for many years and they looked so old and decrepit. They weren't how people remembered them, and it was like "Holy shit! Is that really so-and-so?" It didn't have the intended effect of the audience who was watching being fond of seeing them again because they were like old waxworks.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||10/12/2020|
That is hilarious. R31 that must be why when she lost to Jodie a couple of years later for SOTL Bette looked like she wanted to run over and remove her eyes with her bare fingers. She mustve thought this little dyke has two of my Oscars before the age of 30.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||10/12/2020|
So was the person who was buried in that Snow White outfit Carr himself?
|by Anonymous||reply 99||10/12/2020|
That's very confusing. How did they get the outfit anyway? Two of them, actually, since there were two performers auditioned at the same time for the Snow White part - at least according to Eileen's story. They certainly didn't get it from Disney, since Disney sued the Academy over this. There's something still unexpained about the costume.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||10/12/2020|
Geena Davis had to accept her Oscar right after that number. I always wondered if that's what she meant when she said I can't believe I have to go first.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||10/12/2020|
[quote] Griffith...did have to prove herself with Working Girl to break out of the bimbo roles.
Yet her filmography pre-Working Girl is so much more interesting than anything she did in the years that followed.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||10/12/2020|
Jodie's fake kiss with Julian Sands looks so odd now. I didn't think she was the type to fake it like that. There's an interview when she's a teen and she already is playing with the pronouns and clearly knows she's gay.
I sort of expected more from her.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||10/12/2020|
Bob Mackie made the costume.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||10/12/2020|
r103 it was a different time. Nobody was going to be openly gay back then.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||10/12/2020|
I know r105 but she should have done like she did with her second Oscar and just bring an agent or whoever that old man is.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||10/12/2020|
[quote]Rob Lowe said that Lucy congratulated him backstage on the opening number and added that she was unaware he could sing so well.
When Lucy compliments your singing
you know you're fucked
"Someone keep that sweaty fat girl away from me!"
|by Anonymous||reply 107||10/12/2020|
Someone should do a "Where are they now?" film of the Stars of Tomorrow" and their current jobs and lived.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||10/13/2020|
Can we make Allan Carr the patron saint of Datalounge?
|by Anonymous||reply 110||10/13/2020|
R107, Who applied her makeup that evening, a mortician?
|by Anonymous||reply 111||10/13/2020|
R107, is that the real story? I remember Rob Lowe describing it more as Lucy acknowledging the number was a mess and encouraging nonetheless. She never complimented his singing.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||10/13/2020|
r111 - And fingering the wig to make sure it's covering the hydraulics.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||10/13/2020|
She held his hand for an hour, according to the article.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||10/13/2020|
R106 Jodie brought her mom in 1989 also. It was the woman she kissed after Julian when her name was announced. I know Jodie’s mom saw it as the completion of her dream for her since she micro managed her career and life. I guess Julian and her were friends since they did that film Siesta together. Jodie faked it for a long time and simply wouldn’t talk about her personal life, but it was the biggest open secret in Hollywood. Stevie Wonder could see she was lez.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||10/13/2020|
[quote]She held his hand for an hour, according to the article.
And begged to be in his Sex Tape while she blew cigarette smoke in his face
"You know, Rob, being with me in a Sex Tape could make people forget all about this. I've got the best makeup and lighting people...and my legs are still pretty damn good, you know."
|by Anonymous||reply 116||10/13/2020|
R115, would that John Hinckley could have seen that, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||10/13/2020|
[quote]Someone should do a "Where are they now?" film of the Stars of Tomorrow" and their current jobs and lived.
Oh yeah - that would go about as well as the parade of nearly dead actors
Here's how that would go
Chad Lowe - Old, unemployed, supported by his brother
Melora Hardin - Old, unemployed, fat
Carrie Hamilton - Dead
Joely Fisher - Old, unemployed, fat, angry
etc, etc, etc,
|by Anonymous||reply 118||10/13/2020|
Chad seems to have found work, r118.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||10/13/2020|
And Melora Hardin has been working steadily, with ten credits in the last three years, three of them in recurring roles.
Actually, a number of them did quite well considering the odds in the acting business. Not one of them became a huge breakout star, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||10/13/2020|
By all means, Allan
go ahead and plan your "Let's Revisit the 1989 Stars of Tomorrow today"
Reading those IMDB credits will be a real TV wet dream...
P.S. Thanks to Chad and Melora's management reps for weighing in
|by Anonymous||reply 121||10/13/2020|
Working steadily in your chosen profession is working steadily in your profession, r121. Not everybody wants to be a Star...
|by Anonymous||reply 122||10/13/2020|
[quote]Not everybody wants to be a Star...nor should they
No one said they should
What the poster said was - it wouldn't make for good TV
|by Anonymous||reply 123||10/13/2020|
I was merely replying to the Not Exactly "Stars" of Today signature, r123.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||10/13/2020|
[quote]I was merely replying to the Not Exactly "Stars" of Today signature
Yes, you were
And we'll add your footnote to the Program bulletin
|by Anonymous||reply 125||10/13/2020|
[quote]I was merely replying to the Not Exactly "Stars" of Today signature
Yes, you were
And we'll add your footnote to the Program bulletin
|by Anonymous||reply 126||10/13/2020|
My favorite movie that year was Beetlejuice. It didn't get enough love from the Academy.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||10/13/2020|
R127 I think Beetlejuice helped Geena win for AT. As a nominee, the more exposure you get for other films that are hits and well done that you’re in, the better.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||10/13/2020|
Oh for chrissakes, r87. If you're going to go with taffeta, go...with...TAFFETA.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||10/13/2020|
[quote]Actually, a number of them did quite well considering the odds in the acting business.
Of course, the odds in question are those of celebrity children and siblings.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||10/13/2020|
R112, R57 is 100% accurate.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||10/13/2020|
[quote] The Allan Carr documentary is free on Amazon Prime.
Which is far more than it's worth.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||10/13/2020|
The old stars were paraded out like "look who's still alive!"
Rob Lowe was embarrassed about his musical number for years, but he can laugh about it now
|by Anonymous||reply 133||10/13/2020|
1989 was just a strange year. The 80's were holding on for dear life, is the most awkward way.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||10/13/2020|
^*in the most awkward way
|by Anonymous||reply 135||10/13/2020|
R134 / 135 You made that awkward.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||10/13/2020|
Seeing the old Hollywood stars, I can see how Allan Carr may have thought that at least this part of the production number would be endearing.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||10/13/2020|
And the "old stars" turned out to be so old and decrepit it had the opposite effect. People were saying "holy shit, is that really so-and-so? She looks half dead!"
|by Anonymous||reply 138||10/13/2020|
The spectacle was mortifying. Oh well, at least it ended Allan Carr's career.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||10/13/2020|
Cyd Charisse looked pretty damn good, R138.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||10/13/2020|
Buddy Rogers, Mary Pickford’s husband, acquitted himself well, also.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||10/13/2020|
r132 Carr was a prominent producer for quite a awhile and his tacky spectacle of a life is worthy of a documentary. The man was so completely tasteless it was an interesting watch.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||10/13/2020|
[quote]R100 How did they get the outfit anyway? Two of them, actually, since there were two performers auditioned at the same time for the Snow White part - at least according to Eileen's story.
I’m guessing the audition costumes would have been approximations of the final look.... a pair of rented costumes, or something pulled from a studio’s stock. Then the real, more expensive costume was built by Bob Mackie for the selected actress.
It’s like when a performer is screen tested for a role, they’re not wearing what will finally be used; it’s just a nod in that direction.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||10/13/2020|
[quote] Carr was a prominent producer for quite a awhile and his tacky spectacle of a life is worthy of a documentary.
Too bad it got the one it got.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||10/13/2020|
It was a pretty good doc imo. It covered everything and had interviews from people who knew him. There's a lot of unused interview footage on Youtube.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||10/13/2020|
Poor Lucy never had time to release that Sex Tape...
If she'd had a little more time, she could've revitalized her career
And she could've gotten a contract for a sequel to "Mame" the musical
|by Anonymous||reply 146||10/13/2020|
I watched Rob Lowe sing. Didn't see a disaster. You have to have balls to get up in front of all those stars.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||Last Wednesday at 5:38 AM|
It was a disaster. He was tone deaf and tuneless.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||Last Wednesday at 7:00 AM|
[quote]Buddy Rogers, Mary Pickford’s husband, acquitted himself well, also.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||Last Wednesday at 3:45 PM|
Chad Lowe was a good actor and cute.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||Last Wednesday at 3:52 PM|
Just finished watching The Fabulous Life of Allan Carr. Highly entertaining. As to the Oscars, the documentary notes that his pairing of presenter couples was well-received. And, has been noted, his call on changing the announcement of the winner has survived. Looking at some of his party guests, I glimpsed model Matt Collins in attendance in a couple of shots. If alive, he'd be in his early 70s. Does anyone have any updates on him?
|by Anonymous||reply 151||Last Friday at 3:44 PM|
R40 is it despicable that I thought the moment of Christian Slater swinging in and swashbuckling was kind of cool and sexy? They could have made a bit more of that, cut Corey Feldman or whoever’s time down.
Assume it was a reference to ROBIN HOOD: PRINCE OF THIEVES?
|by Anonymous||reply 152||Last Friday at 4:03 PM|
^^ah, wait, but it couldn’t have related to ROBIN HOOD, because that didn’t come out until ‘91, right? So what was that all about..🤔
|by Anonymous||reply 153||Last Friday at 4:04 PM|
I recall a Debbie Allen choreographed musical number at the Oscars featuring Jasmine Guy that was similarly awful. I think it was when JG was on ADW...so early 90s? I looked but couldn’t find any video footage .
|by Anonymous||reply 154||Last Friday at 4:12 PM|
The worst musical number was Ann Reinking doing Against All Odds. It destroyed her Hollywood career.
A close second was that opening number that Teri Garr did. It was something that even SNL couldn't parody.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||Last Friday at 4:14 PM|
Ann Reinking. This is just embarrassing.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||Last Friday at 4:18 PM|
Ann Reinking. This is just embarrassing.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||Last Friday at 4:18 PM|
"Phylicia Rashad was supposed to be in it, being married to one of the Village People at the time. I can't remember the reason she got dropped, but Sammy Davis wife got the part instead."
Phylicia was married to the original lead singer of the Village People, Victor Willis. He quit the group just before filming started so that's probably why they dropped her.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||Last Friday at 4:40 PM|
I loved it when the Oscars would have someone totally inappropriate to sing a Best Song number when the original artist wasn't available, for whatever reasons. Lots of "what the FUCK?" moments came out of that.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||Last Friday at 4:41 PM|
R160, On a 1970s Academy Awards, Dyan Cannon sang one of the nominated songs, but there were audio issues.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||Last Friday at 6:43 PM|
[quote]^^ah, wait, but it couldn’t have related to ROBIN HOOD, because that didn’t come out until ‘91, right? So what was that all about..
Fuck you R152
|by Anonymous||reply 162||Last Friday at 6:46 PM|
Oscar’s musical numbers starting around 5:35.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||Last Friday at 8:41 PM|
[quote]^^ah, wait, but it couldn’t have related to ROBIN HOOD, because that didn’t come out until ‘91, right? So what was that all about..
Because swashbuckling movie roles were invented in 1991?
|by Anonymous||reply 164||Last Saturday at 7:04 AM|
[quote]I loved it when the Oscars would have someone totally inappropriate to sing a Best Song number when the original artist wasn't available, for whatever reasons. Lots of "what the FUCK?" moments came out of that.
At one time, they never (or rarely) had the original artist perform the best song at the Oscars. Best song used to be a song from a musical, or from a musical sequence in a non-musical. Not a "soundtrack" song, because songs weren't used as background music. So a pop star was rarely associated with a song, like they are now.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||Last Saturday at 7:11 AM|
Even as a child, I knew some of the Debbie Allen choreographed routines for the Oscars were just a time-filler. No one was watching for those routines, but they showed up every year in the mid-80s. It's not necessarily that they were bad, but this was a movie awards show, not a dance recital.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||Last Saturday at 7:17 AM|
Was Debbie some affirmative action hire for Oscars being so white? Weren’t there gay choreographers that could have been hired, with people like Bruce and Allan one would assume the gays would be central in the back stage shenanigans?
|by Anonymous||reply 167||Last Saturday at 7:39 AM|
I wanted to do an interpretive dance about the Dingo stealing my baby this year but Debbie Allen wouldn't let me.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||Last Saturday at 12:34 PM|
R167 Gil Cates who produced many of the Oscar shows starting in 1990 loved Allen. Even though her dance routines were panned year after year. When Cates stopped producing, Allen was out.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||Last Saturday at 1:34 PM|
Debbie Allen's dance routines were always ridiculed.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||Last Saturday at 2:02 PM|
Did Bette really think she would be nominated for Beaches?
|by Anonymous||reply 171||Last Saturday at 7:26 PM|
She apparently did. Beaches was a camp joke even at the time it was released.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||Last Saturday at 7:33 PM|
Beaches and Steel Magnolias are today's Term of Endearment. Young girls love to cry but don't rake them seriously I hope.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||Last Saturday at 7:40 PM|
I sat through Beaches once, many years ago. Barbara Hershey wasn't bad, but Bette was overacting all over the place and her musical numbers in the "off-Broadway play" were so hambone and corny I felt embarrassed for her.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||Last Saturday at 7:43 PM|
Bette Midler was also severely pissed off that she wasn't Oscar nominated for "For the Boys", especially after winning a Golden Globe for it.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||Last Saturday at 11:50 PM|
Bette was nominated for FTB. I still remember the awful clip they used of her performance in which she was under 15 lbs of old age makeup.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||Last Sunday at 12:41 AM|
She’s one the verge of tears when winning the globe. I think the public rejecting it and the indifferent response the critics had for the film really stung her. I can’t imagine Midler having any illusions about winning the Oscar when Jodie Foster was so out in front that year.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||Last Sunday at 4:50 AM|
[quote]She apparently did. Beaches was a camp joke even at the time it was released.
Actually, I've always felt, had they ended the movie with the two women watching the little girl on the shore it would have had more impact.
Then have her sing that damn song over the credits.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||Last Sunday at 9:41 AM|
[quote]Bette was nominated for FTB. I still remember the awful clip they used of her performance in which she was under 15 lbs of old age makeup.
Well I guess you just want her running around dialling 911 or being kidnapped by Kmart.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||Last Sunday at 9:43 AM|
I always hear about how bad this Oscars was.... I don't remember it although I likely saw some of it.
Does anyone know if there are any videos of news reports or entertainment shows reviewing or even panning the broadcast, or is it just a given that is was bad based on word of mouth? Was Nicky Finke around then? If so, seems like she would have eviscerated it. Or how about Rex Reed?
I'd be interested in seeing reviews on the show but haven't seen anything like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||Last Sunday at 9:47 AM|
R180 There are a few clips at the end of the Allan Carr documentary, I watched it last night.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||Last Sunday at 9:51 AM|
Mayim remembers Beaches...
|by Anonymous||reply 182||Last Sunday at 9:54 AM|
The beginning and the crappy writing the presenters had to endure were the worst parts. Other than that, it was your usual Oscars. No better no worse.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||Last Sunday at 10:07 AM|
Trotting out the old stars was nothing new - there had been numerous TV specials that had done this since the late 70's. There were several versions of Night of 100 Stars that brought out stars of yesterday and no one was repulsed that they didn't look like they did in their heyday. Look at the number of them that guest starred on The Love Boat long before the '89 Academy Awards. Here is a tribute to women from the silent screen from the 1985 Night of 100 Stars. All the women are ancient - Laura LaPlante is literally wheeled out - and they all look great.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||Last Sunday at 11:38 AM|
But it was the first time the Oscars did it, which made people notice. It was a worldwide audience of 1 billion people.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||Last Sunday at 11:41 AM|
Wrong R185 They did it for the 1978 Oscars (its 50th anniversary).
|by Anonymous||reply 186||Last Sunday at 11:44 AM|
Good ol' Laura La Plante!
|by Anonymous||reply 188||Last Sunday at 12:02 PM|
They were even more decrepit by '89.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||Last Sunday at 12:13 PM|
In that Youtube interview Bruce Vilanch, who was a writer that year, said the old stars were shocking to the public.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||Last Sunday at 12:13 PM|
Bruce should talk. It's always a shock to be confronted with that face and body.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||Last Sunday at 2:16 PM|
R191 Why doesn't BV change his hairstyle into something less Muppety?
|by Anonymous||reply 192||Last Sunday at 8:53 PM|
R192, At this point, his hair has become part of his brand.
The Three Stooges maintained their eccentric hairstyles for decades for the same reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||Last Sunday at 9:07 PM|
R193 his brand is as a comedy writer.
He would get more work with an updated look.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||Last Sunday at 9:23 PM|
[quote] his brand is as the worst comedy writer who ever lived.
Fixed that for you.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||Last Sunday at 10:15 PM|