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Closeted Lesbian Trump Voters

Meet a Secret Trump Voter

‘Being a lesbian who’s voting for Trump is like coming out of the closet again.’

By Bret Stephens

Opinion Columnist

Sept. 28, 2020

Chris is a registered Democrat in her 50s who lives in Manhattan. She’s well-educated, well-traveled and well-informed. She has voted for candidates of both parties over the years and was enthusiastic for Bernie Sanders in 2016.

She’s asked me not to publish her last name. It would not go down well for her at the store where she works as a manager if her colleagues knew that she plans to vote for Donald Trump.

Chris is also gay. “Being a lesbian who’s voting for Trump is like coming out of the closet again,” she tells me.

Readers of this newspaper who conjure an image of a Trump voter probably think of people like Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the couple who pointed guns at protesters outside their St. Louis home in late June. But if Trump defies current polling and wins again, it’ll be thanks to a discreet base of support from voters like Chris, who fit into none of the cultural or demographic stereotypes of the Trump base.

It’s worth understanding where she’s coming from.

Start with the economy. “I haven’t seen double digit [gains] in my 401(k) since the internet boom of the late ’90s,” she says. “It went up 19.6 percent” in the year before the pandemic. “Look at the stock market,” she says. (Up about 35 percent from four years ago.) “Look at gas prices.” (About the same as what they were when Trump took office, but well below the $3.31 per gallon at the midpoint of the Obama administration.)

“This is everyday stuff that affects me,” she says. “I don’t care about Afghanistan and the Middle East. I care about having a job. I care about having health care through my company. I was out of a job a few years ago. Obamacare priced me out [of private insurance]. It was like, $560 a month. Then Obama’s website blew up. He can’t get the website right?”

Then there’s the pandemic. “Is Trump trying to play it down?” she asks. “Yeah. But when this first started, the news media was saying that millions of people were going to die. And look at it: 200,000, compared to the population.”

What worries her more are the effects of the response to the pandemic in a liberal city like New York. “Crime is in my neighborhood now. There’s a homeless encampment near me that’s growing and growing. They have a living room and a shower curtain and that’s where they go to the bathroom. I have a guy who walks in front of the store every day. In a diaper! And there’s lawlessness coming into the store every day, with an attitude of ‘Who’s gonna stop me?’” Regarding Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York, she adds, “I can’t put into words how inept this guy is.”

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I ask Chris whether Trump’s behavior has ever come close to being a deal breaker for her. She asks me to name some of the lowlights.

“Grab ’em by the. …”: “Didn’t bother me at all. For every cad out there, there’s equally a gold digger who will let you do it.”

The media as the enemy of the American people: “These days, yeah. Whenever I read a front-page story and I get to a disparaging adjective, I stop reading.”

The Brett Kavanaugh nomination: “I didn’t believe Christine Blasey Ford for one second. Her lack of recollection; the fact that nobody could [contemporaneously] corroborate her account.”

Trump-Russia: “The Clintons’ fingerprints are all over this. I’m really glad we have Bill Barr as A.G. to look into it.”

Trump’s truculence on the world stage: “Everyone kowtows to Iran because they’re crazy. Now we have our own bit of crazy.”

“Very fine people on both sides”: This one stops her. “That was really bad. He didn’t think it through but I think he believes himself.”

So how does Chris feel about the Biden-Harris ticket? “Fifteen years ago, maybe I would have voted for Joe Biden. But he’s weak. And what did he do with his 40-odd years in Washington?” As for Kamala Harris, Chris dismisses her outright. “She doesn’t know what she believes. She won’t be the adult in the room.”

You don’t have to agree with Chris on any of these points. You can note some of the inconsistencies in her views, most of all between her support for Sanders, who as president would have waged war on Wall Street, and her support for Trump, whose pro-Wall Street policies are a big reason that she supports him. And you can easily dismiss Chris as an outlier, an anecdote, a red voter in a blue state.

That would be a mistake. If good political analysis were merely a matter of looking at big data, Hillary Clinton would be president today. Analysis also requires us to listen attentively to individual voters. If the Democratic Party and its allies can’t hold on to a voter like Chris, who else might they be losing?

by Anonymousreply 1September 29, 2020 1:31 PM

I think as a proportion of out gay men and lesbians, there are more of the former who are voting for Cheeto, whether openly or not.

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by Anonymousreply 2September 29, 2020 1:32 PM

Racist

by Anonymousreply 3September 29, 2020 1:33 PM

She complained about insurance for $560 a month? Is that considered an egregious premium for a 50 YO?

by Anonymousreply 4September 29, 2020 1:37 PM

I can imagine what she looks like.

Tight jaw, wiry limbs.

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by Anonymousreply 5September 29, 2020 1:41 PM

Fuck this bitch MAGAt!

by Anonymousreply 6September 29, 2020 1:44 PM

This is what Bernie does. I pray every day that he and AOC drop dead so that the Democratic party can pick up the pieces and hopefully win the government back before it's too late.

by Anonymousreply 7September 29, 2020 1:48 PM

I know a lot of people like her, although it's more gay men than women.

by Anonymousreply 8September 29, 2020 1:54 PM

Knowing Bret Stephens, he made this up.

by Anonymousreply 9September 29, 2020 1:56 PM

Fuck this dumb bitch. People like her are the reason Agent Orange is president. These types of people don't care about America at large, they are selfish motherfuckers who only care about THEIR OWN bottom line.

This bitch doesn't even care how Dump is destroying the environment and trying to diminish Obama's legacy. All this cunt cares about is that SHE has health insurance through her JOB (which many people cannot get because they work 2-3 part-time jobs!), she could give a shit. It's ME, ME, ME!

How many Americans have money to invest? Not the large percentage the GOP would have people think.

This woman is a selfish cunt, a typical Dump supporter. FUCK her. I hope she loses her job and her health insurance. People have no clue had difficult life has become for many Americans, not until bad things happen to them.

by Anonymousreply 10September 29, 2020 2:02 PM

This is an OPINION piece? The 'author' is a climate change denier and conservative.

The quotes are far too convenient and cherry picked. Bullshit. I'm not saying these people don't exist - but not like this.

And Newsweek has been courting the right-wing reader for awhile now. They ran that OpEd questioning whether Kamala Harris is qualified for her position - a new birther piece.

by Anonymousreply 11September 29, 2020 2:03 PM

Why is she so closeted about her support of Trump? Why isn't she proud of it? Seems she could debate anyone who disagrees with her, so why the shame?

by Anonymousreply 12September 29, 2020 2:04 PM

So she called Biden "weak"? That's Trump's signature name-calling label for him. Why do people associate being a bully as being strong? She needs to wake up. Look who he picked for the Supreme Court. Does she think they care about her equality?

by Anonymousreply 13September 29, 2020 2:05 PM

This is just a Borderline Personality Disorder attention whore.

It, in no way, represents a demographic or movement.

Shame on the Times for giving it oxygen.

by Anonymousreply 14September 29, 2020 2:06 PM

Again - some of this rings untrue to me. Besides this author's questionable past, why is a lesbian in NYC so concerned about GAS PRICES?

And her utter dismissal of Kamala Harris is weird - lesbians tend to be feminists.

Reread this piece - it's so laughably distorted and false. And that they put it in Opinion. He's trying to persuade Bernie supporters. I can't believe NYT published this shit.

by Anonymousreply 15September 29, 2020 2:09 PM

[quote]This is an OPINION piece? The 'author' is a climate change denier and conservative.

And a bedbug, lest we forget.

by Anonymousreply 16September 29, 2020 2:13 PM

Fuck ‘em.

Fuck everyone who still supports him.

by Anonymousreply 17September 29, 2020 2:14 PM

[quote]I can't believe NYT published this shit.

As opposed to all of the other shit they NYT publishes?

by Anonymousreply 18September 29, 2020 2:15 PM

Call me stupid, but how is Trump responsible for the good economy before the pandemic? My 401k was already on the way up before he became president. Trump has no control over gas prices. I don’t get it.

by Anonymousreply 19September 29, 2020 2:16 PM

In what way is Kamala Harris a feminist? She calls herself one? That woman and women's rights are unrelated.

I think this lesbian's reasoning rings untrue because even under the cover of anonymity she still won't admit to the real attraction Trump has for her- protection from transgender "lesbians."

The left is driving women away by taking their safety lightly. The authentic transwomen are gay men in drag. Translesbians are mentally-ill, rapey straight men you don't want anywhere near you. Women might be afraid to admit to it publically because of retribution (look at J.K. Rowling.)

by Anonymousreply 20September 29, 2020 2:16 PM

This is why I'm canceling the Times after the election - even with my low promo rate. I'll read the Economist. Even the Post has shitty conservative columnists like Hugh Hewitt and that sociopath libertarian hag McSomething.

by Anonymousreply 21September 29, 2020 2:17 PM

It blows my mind that there are people who think the Times isn't liberal enough.

They've tossed their reporting standards in a landfill the past few years trying to hold on to their progressive subscribers. If they actually reported on current events objectively (who, what, when, where, why, how) you'd all be calling them Nazis and fascists I guess. Y'all are a total trip.

by Anonymousreply 22September 29, 2020 2:20 PM

[quote] This is why I'm canceling the Times after the election

Why after?

by Anonymousreply 23September 29, 2020 2:21 PM

R23 I don’t believe in newspapers. I like to be uninformed and stupid.

by Anonymousreply 24September 29, 2020 2:24 PM

[quote] Call me stupid, but how is Trump responsible for the good economy before the pandemic? My 401k was already on the way up before he became president. Trump has no control over gas prices. I don’t get it.

Undereducated voters. Where does this cunt think her 401k will be after one more year of Trump and the pandemic? Who pays for the trilion dollar bailout and the economic catastrophe that will occur when the debt relief programs end in the spring? Not Trump -- he doesn't pay taxes.

Trump supporters are anarchists, misanthropes, racists and xenophobes. That is the only part of his platform that gets him traction.

by Anonymousreply 25September 29, 2020 2:25 PM

As far as the Newsweek article about Hornet's survey - is anyone on Hornet? Have you heard of it?

Supposedly there's 25 million on the app worldwide. I've never heard of it before. Do you know any gays that use it?

by Anonymousreply 26September 29, 2020 2:28 PM

Stephens, being an unprincipled journalist and a republican, could easily have made this woman up, or more likely, she's a composite of the several gay women he's met in his life, all of whom disgust him.

by Anonymousreply 27September 29, 2020 2:34 PM

This voter is the reason that Trump is in office and that this election is far from sealed for Biden. At the present time, the only states that Biden can have some solace as to winning are those in which he has over 50% support. Any other state in which he has less than 50% support remains a potential Trump win. This is what cost Hillary the election because they assumed that when she led in a state by 2%, it was Hillary's to lose. Well she did loose in states such as Wisconsin because these secret Trump supporters pushed him to win the state with an extreme close margin--all less than 50%.

I don't care if Biden leads the national polls by 8-10%. It is what is happening in each state is important and this article proves the point.

by Anonymousreply 28September 29, 2020 2:36 PM

Nobody I know uses Hornet.

Here we have yet another example of someone going the Bernie -> Trump path, which we were told here for years was a negligible percentage. Ironic, since BdeB is a BernieBro and is showing us all what happens when one of them runs a big city.

R20 is probably onto something with Chris's real reasoning behind all this, but since it seems she wasn't asked about the transgender issue, it wasn't discussed.

by Anonymousreply 29September 29, 2020 2:41 PM

Well to do Lesbains are simply greedy cunts.

by Anonymousreply 30September 29, 2020 2:41 PM

R28 - it actually doesn't because she lives in New York state, which was never in play for Trump.

Notice there were no questions about LGBT issues under Trump? That's because Bret didn't know how to ask questions or didn't have any responses that wouldn't be critical of Trump. Very suspicious to not ask about gay issues at all.

Supposedly, Bret is an anti-Trumper. I don't buy it. He's a climate change denier.

Even if it is true, which there's no reason to believe, I'm sick of these "I've been discriminated against more by gay people for being conservative than by conservatives for being gay" stories.

These people should be shunned rightfully.

by Anonymousreply 31September 29, 2020 2:44 PM

While I don’t see how any lesbian could vote for Trump, r20 brings up a good point. I’ve about had it with “progressive” left policy that goes so far it circles back to the right.

If I have to choose between two extreme parties, I’m going with the one that lets me keep my money.

by Anonymousreply 32September 29, 2020 3:00 PM

R32 - what points of extremism has the Democratic party adopted?

Compare that with the extremist platforms of Republicans. Don't act like they're the same. You're a fool to think that.

by Anonymousreply 33September 29, 2020 3:05 PM

What is the idea behind publishing this? Why is the NY Times continually drumming up interest in and inflating the numbers of these fringe lunatics? You could find someone to say that Trump is Christ the Redeemer, write an article about it, and then find new acolytes believing it. In other words, stoking.

Why does the NY Times do this? I fucking hate them for this.

They can do anything in the world. They can profile one dead from Covid person a day, and quantify and qualify the work that person would have continued to contribute to society; they could focus on old people who are finding out their vote for Trump didn't pan out ("Are you happier, better of than you were four years ago?"). Instead they keep doing this shit.

by Anonymousreply 34September 29, 2020 3:10 PM

R34 - yes, the story should be - I voted for Trump and I regret it.

But this is how conservatives work the media - they force the regular media into a 'both sides' compliance for objectivity sake meanwhile they have ZERO balance or objectivity in their own conservative outlets.

The net result? More conservative articles total in the mediasphere.

by Anonymousreply 35September 29, 2020 3:14 PM

I'm glad someone posted this article (for whatever reason, DL wouldn't let me); I don't doubt that people out there like this woman exist, but I am baffled by the person who goes from being a Bernie Bro to a Trump supporter.

Fundies, racists and climate deniers - I get why they support Dump. But if Dump had his way, this bitch could be fired from her job and without any recourse purely for being gay, not allowed to marry or adopt children and yet she *supports* this guy? Talk about voting against your own interest - what kind of self loathing creature she must be. And everyone knows the stock market is artificially inflated - let's see where your 401K is 6 months from now?

by Anonymousreply 36September 29, 2020 3:22 PM

Ha ha....this is bullshit. Or the person interviewed is a hard-line socialist hoping that widespread misery will lead to the revolution she wants to effect.

by Anonymousreply 37September 29, 2020 3:35 PM

Or the person interviewed is a hard-line socialist hoping that widespread misery will lead to the revolution she wants to effect.

Could this be SUSAN SARANDON?

by Anonymousreply 38September 29, 2020 3:38 PM

The death blow to the Labour Party was their abandonment of women's rights. There was a campaign from feminists and lesbians to spoil their ballots rather than support Tories. Notable women quit the party.

Women are 51% of the population, and a larger percentage of the Democratic Party, and the idea that they can be told to shut up and obey is deluded. It is NOT in lesbians best interest to support trans "rights." Republicans are homophobic, but Dems are dystopian. The reasons given for voting for Trump in this article are spurious (what is he supposed to do about De Blasio?) but I'm sick to death of the political delusion in the gay community about which party represents our interests.

NEITHER, you stupid cunts. The only actual gays left in the party are white-collar white people over 40. Everybody else is a homophobic queer tranny waiting for a chance to make you jobless and homeless. Real gays don't vote, or vote Trump and lie about to protect themselves.

by Anonymousreply 39September 29, 2020 3:47 PM

I just have to point out that the increase in this woman’s investment accounts came after a $2 trillion deficit-ballooning tax cut for big business. If the market hadn’t gone up it would have been a miracle.

by Anonymousreply 40September 29, 2020 4:21 PM

R20 is onto something, I'll say. Trolling. I ignored that right wing troll for being an obvious shit so I didn't even see their verbal diarrhea. R32 has been ignored for the same reasons - probably a sock puppet that self-references.

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by Anonymousreply 41September 29, 2020 4:48 PM

Yep. R20 has been leaving right-wing posts all over DL.

by Anonymousreply 42September 29, 2020 4:52 PM

[quote] Reread this piece - it's so laughably distorted and false. And that they put it in Opinion. He's trying to persuade Bernie supporters. I can't believe NYT published this shit.

I agree it sounds fully made up. But what is he trying to convince Bernie supporters to do? I think I missed something.

by Anonymousreply 43September 29, 2020 4:53 PM

[quote] This voter is the reason that Trump is in office and that this election is far from sealed for Biden. At the present time, the only states that Biden can have some solace as to winning are those in which he has over 50% support. Any other state in which he has less than 50% support remains a potential Trump win. This is what cost Hillary the election because they assumed that when she led in a state by 2%, it was Hillary's to lose. Well she did loose in states such as Wisconsin because these secret Trump supporters pushed him to win the state with an extreme close margin--all less than 50%.

[quote]I don't care if Biden leads the national polls by 8-10%. It is what is happening in each state is important and this article proves the point.

Biden is outperforming Hillary across the board. He’s not up TWO points in MI, WI, and PA—he’s up 6, 8, 10. And if you think being up 8-10% nationally still leaves room for a Trump electoral college win, you’re just uninformed. Anything 6% and higher is a guaranteed Biden victory.

by Anonymousreply 44September 29, 2020 4:59 PM

The lesbian Trump cult IS Bret Stephens!

by Anonymousreply 45September 29, 2020 5:38 PM

R32 wonders why he has no friends but has lots of money.

by Anonymousreply 46September 29, 2020 5:48 PM

Ignore is powerful.

R20 started a race-baiting thread about rioters among other things.

Democrat Concern Trolling is so transparent

by Anonymousreply 47September 29, 2020 6:12 PM

Pointing out that the rioters are mostly class-privileged white people? That they have caused destruction and harm to black communities repeatedly? Lol at "race baiting."

Y'all can't say I'm wrong, so I'm right.... wing.

There's a distinct pattern of people who wholeheartedly believe in the transgender movement holding many, also delusional, beliefs. A sort of state of detachment from reality that expresses itelf often and in varied ways.

by Anonymousreply 48September 29, 2020 6:38 PM

Why does every thread go back to the transgender movement? The disgruntled lesbian Trump supporter in this article didn't even mention trannies!

by Anonymousreply 49September 29, 2020 6:40 PM

Trump revealed a sickness in America we didn't know before. We thought we were the cool kids on planet Earth. Turns out we're just as mixed-up as everyone else... maybe more so.

by Anonymousreply 50September 29, 2020 6:47 PM

Oh, that's one of the standard alt-right/Breitbart talking points. You'd think they would've stopped beating that dead horse by now.

by Anonymousreply 51September 29, 2020 6:49 PM

I hate these bullshit stories because that "coming out of the closet" trope they use is ridiculous: this idiot was never in the closet about being a right wing nut job. In fact, she was probably that before she knew she was gay; she probably comes from a right wing family (where this cemented her relationship with them).

I hope none of you NYC ladies are dating "Chris."

by Anonymousreply 52September 29, 2020 7:01 PM

Let's see...strikes

#1 Written by Bret Stephens #2 Won't publish her last name #3 Claims she's well-educated/traveled without explanation #4 Claims she's informed, yet note her inconsistent views. If she has inconsistent views, then she's not informed. In fact, it makes her an idiot. #5 Claims she loved Bernie. But she supports Wall Street, wars, insurance industry, anti-BLM. Bernie supports none of these. #6 Claims she's a Democrat, yet every single line from her is a right-wing talking point:

"Mah 401k so big!!!" "Only 200,00 people died!!!" "Crimes everywhere!" "Media is the enemy!!!" "Clinton-Russia" "Bill Barr is Jesus!!!" "Christine Blasey Ford is a lying cunt!!!" "Biden weak!!!"

So this article is either garbage or one huge lie from Bret.

by Anonymousreply 53September 29, 2020 7:05 PM

200,000* and sorry about the formatting. Don't know what happened there

by Anonymousreply 54September 29, 2020 7:09 PM

R 49: because gay men are women and lesbians are men. Anyone who disagrees with that statement is a transphobe.

by Anonymousreply 55September 29, 2020 7:18 PM

The homeless and crime she mentioned in the last paragraph of OP are turning a lot of former liberals into Trump voters

by Anonymousreply 56September 29, 2020 7:31 PM

How is weather in Krasnoyarsk right now, R56? You're still up?

by Anonymousreply 57September 29, 2020 7:33 PM

I think Mayor Di Blasio sucks. I think transgender women are not women. I think the left is a bit kooky on a lot of issues. I am gay, and a New Yorker.

And I would NEVER vote for Trump or give him credit for any of the things this idiotic, imaginary “lesbian” does.

by Anonymousreply 58September 29, 2020 7:40 PM

Punch her in the pussy.

by Anonymousreply 59September 29, 2020 7:44 PM

“She” is voting for Trump because Donald Trump is the heterosexual man “she” desperately wishes to be.

Real men like me vote for Joe Biden. He’s a chad.

by Anonymousreply 60September 29, 2020 7:44 PM

[quote] Biden is outperforming Hillary across the board. He’s not up TWO points in MI, WI, and PA—he’s up 6, 8, 10. And if you think being up 8-10% nationally still leaves room for a Trump electoral college win, you’re just uninformed. Anything 6% and higher is a guaranteed Biden victory.

Trust that Plump and the rightwing nutjobs that support him are still aggressively working their Plan A -- election interference, voter fraud and suppression, a social mefia blitz of lies and misinformation, and packing the federal bench with crazy conservatives.

Voting is very, very important. Our free and fair democratic election process is easily sabotaged.

by Anonymousreply 61September 29, 2020 7:47 PM

None of those things would be illegal if Joe Biden did them.

by Anonymousreply 62September 29, 2020 7:48 PM

I don't believe for a minute that she was ever a Democrat.

by Anonymousreply 63September 29, 2020 7:49 PM

It’s nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 64September 29, 2020 8:49 PM

We will see how she feels if she gets raped and can’t get a legal abortion. Fucking idiot.

by Anonymousreply 65September 29, 2020 8:52 PM

[Quote] Chris is a registered Democrat in her 50s who lives in Manhattan.

Meh, her deplorable vote is obsolete anyway.

by Anonymousreply 66September 29, 2020 8:53 PM

She's Ellen!

by Anonymousreply 67September 29, 2020 8:55 PM

[quote] She's Ellen!

Almost. She's an awful human being but hasn't had a semi-successful sitcom or a talk show.

by Anonymousreply 68September 29, 2020 9:32 PM

If Harris or Biden wanting to campaign to the lesbian community where would they go? How would they do it?

by Anonymousreply 69September 29, 2020 10:17 PM

If Harris or Biden wanting to campaign to the lesbian community where would they go? How would they do it?

Home Depot, of course

by Anonymousreply 70September 29, 2020 11:28 PM

The usual way--local HRC chapters, local LGB organizations would organize an event to feature them--the Biden/Harris staff would call them and ask.

by Anonymousreply 71September 30, 2020 2:08 AM

To be fair, I have met some lesbians (and some like this have posted on this board) who have adopted very Republican beliefs. Literally, it's like they're trying to emulate older straight white men.

They talk about gun ownership, how they pay too much in taxes, blah blah.

Those are rare Thank God. But they exist for certain.

by Anonymousreply 72September 30, 2020 2:34 AM

Yes, there are lots of right-wing lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 73September 30, 2020 6:29 AM

[quote][R20] started a race-baiting thread about rioters among other things.

I'm telling you, the anti-trans posters are the racebaiters and alt-right trolls too. They're all the same. There's a reason the only replies that get 80-100 WWs each are either far-right troll shit or anti-trans troll shit: they're all the same.

R49, because they're all alt-right trolls who are trying to push their propaganda and disrupt actual discussions.

by Anonymousreply 74September 30, 2020 9:20 AM

They're all over this thread too. Talking about how they're such fervent, longtime Democrats, but have no choice to but to vote Republican because of trans.

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by Anonymousreply 75September 30, 2020 9:23 AM

Amazing how he found one of the only two in the country.

by Anonymousreply 76September 30, 2020 9:44 AM

Accusing people with opposing views of being trolls is, itself, a troll tactic.

Derailing threads off topic and shutting other posters up is trolling, saying you don't support a dogmatic belief is not.

by Anonymousreply 77September 30, 2020 9:52 AM

R65 You mean raped by a tranny in a locker room? Or having to shower with one in the shelter after a rape? She's no better off with the Dems than with the Repugs.

by Anonymousreply 78September 30, 2020 10:31 AM

The level of denial on this thread is unbelievable. It's like Trump shouting "Fake News!" about anything he can't deal with.

by Anonymousreply 79September 30, 2020 10:40 AM

[quote]Or having to shower with one in the shelter after a rape?

That makes it sound like 'a rape' is a periodic occurrence.

by Anonymousreply 80September 30, 2020 10:57 AM

R80 It is when transwomen are involved. Sexualized cross dressing appears to be an aspect of a fairly common criminal pathology.

Take a gander:

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by Anonymousreply 81September 30, 2020 12:26 PM

I had the same thought R79. All these posters saying the lesbian can't be real. I have no idea if she is or not in this story, but you really think it's impossible that there might be SOME lesbians who supports Trump?

by Anonymousreply 82September 30, 2020 12:37 PM

In the whole US maybe a couple hundred thousand?

by Anonymousreply 83September 30, 2020 12:46 PM

I just found the language strange.

'After a rape'.

Like 'after a swim'.

As though it wasn't something that happened once in a lifetime as opposed to once a week.

by Anonymousreply 84September 30, 2020 12:48 PM

Trump voters act like the worst victims in history. The world would be better without any Dump voter — gay, straight, male, female, all races. Just fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 85September 30, 2020 12:53 PM

It's interesting that she was a lesbian who was ALSO Bernie to Trump...

My guess is she's one of those ridiculous womyn's separatist types or something.

by Anonymousreply 86September 30, 2020 12:54 PM

As a lesbian, who lives in a fucking DEEP red state, I only know of a few who voted for him the last time, and they aren't doing it twice...

by Anonymousreply 87September 30, 2020 12:56 PM

[quote]Trump voters act like the worst victims in history.

Yep. They accuse everyone else of being 'snowflakes' yet they all have a huge victim complex.

by Anonymousreply 88September 30, 2020 12:56 PM

What pathology lead them to do it in the first place, R87?

by Anonymousreply 89September 30, 2020 12:57 PM

Trump stands for sanity. Biden stands for open borders with Mexico and blm taking over our major cities. Putting gay rights before the health of the country is unforgivable.

by Anonymousreply 90September 30, 2020 1:02 PM

Start with the economy. “I haven’t seen double digit [gains] in my 401(k) since the internet boom of the late ’90s,” she says. “It went up 19.6 percent” in the year before the pandemic. “Look at the stock market,” she says. (Up about 35 percent from four years ago.) “Look at gas prices.” (About the same as what they were when Trump took office, but well below the $3.31 per gallon at the midpoint of the Obama administration.)

“This is everyday stuff that affects me,” she says. “I don’t care about Afghanistan and the Middle East. I care about having a job. I care about having health care through my company. I was out of a job a few years ago. Obamacare priced me out [of private insurance]. It was like, $560 a month. Then Obama’s website blew up. He can’t get the website right?”

Then there’s the pandemic. “Is Trump trying to play it down?” she asks. “Yeah. But when this first started, the news media was saying that millions of people were going to die. And look at it: 200,000, compared to the population.”

by Anonymousreply 91September 30, 2020 1:10 PM

While I distrust Stephens,this woman might well be real. What I dispute is that she was any sort of swing voter to begin with. I mean who else but a republican would say something like "this has Clinton's fingerprints all over it". This is a non story, he clearly found a very conservative republican who happens to live in NYC, this is not indicative of any larger trend among gays or other groups who might not normally vote for Trump.

by Anonymousreply 92September 30, 2020 1:13 PM

So Bret Stephens is "making stuff up", and the NYT is knowingly printing it"? And the NYT is "not liberal enough"? This sounds like a lefty version of the Q cult.

by Anonymousreply 93September 30, 2020 1:19 PM

She doesn't sound like she's ever been a Democrat. The whole bit about caring about gas prices but then getting snippy and saying “I don’t care about Afghanistan and the Middle East" just SCREAMS Republican.

by Anonymousreply 94September 30, 2020 1:20 PM

R32

Fuck you. People like you are the problem.

by Anonymousreply 95September 30, 2020 1:25 PM

She’s an idiot. Do we need to counter her “observations” point by point? No. Lesbians are allowed to be idiots as well.

by Anonymousreply 96September 30, 2020 1:37 PM

I love how Trump's demeanor isn't important to these people but Obama couldn't wear a khaki suit or put his feet up on his own damn desk.

by Anonymousreply 97September 30, 2020 1:42 PM

This is trollbait. Not a real person----Obamacare could not have priced her out of insurance, etc. Nothing but lies

by Anonymousreply 98September 30, 2020 1:44 PM

Well, Obama also walked off Air Force One with a cup of coffee. That is really going over the line!

by Anonymousreply 99September 30, 2020 1:58 PM

Why do Republicans always pretend they used to be Democrats who are so close to voting for Democrats but something happened and now they have no choice?

by Anonymousreply 100September 30, 2020 2:18 PM

Can someone make a "Let's be Closeted Lesbian Trump Voters" pretty please?

by Anonymousreply 101September 30, 2020 2:24 PM

she's an out lesbian.

just closeted about trump support.

by Anonymousreply 102September 30, 2020 2:28 PM

This woman is dumb. She supported Sanders, then Trump because she wanted to keep her private insurance. THAT MAKES NO SENSE! Sanders wanted Medicare for all!

by Anonymousreply 103September 30, 2020 2:28 PM

I don't think he "found" her. I think he knew her already.

She probably works in his grocery store.

by Anonymousreply 104September 30, 2020 6:32 PM

Someone needs to shove her back in the closet, lock the door, and throw away the key. Preferably before November 3rd.

by Anonymousreply 105September 30, 2020 7:41 PM

Every woman adores a fascist.

by Anonymousreply 106September 30, 2020 7:55 PM

Knock yourselves out, bitches:

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by Anonymousreply 107September 30, 2020 7:55 PM

Can we F&F this Nothingburger already?

There is NOTHING to see here. OP's subject was a partisan Deplorable, we already knew about them and we already knew some of them are gay.

by Anonymousreply 108September 30, 2020 7:57 PM

Jesus fuck, how dumb are some of you???

No one is denying that Trumper lesbians exist. We have Trumpers of every group imaginable.

It's the existence of this...well-EDUCATED, well-TRAVELED, well-INFORMED, BERNIE-TO-TRUMP-LOVING mysterious Lesbian "Chris" who spouts right-wing greatest hits despite being a registered DEMOCRAT...that people are questioning!

by Anonymousreply 109September 30, 2020 8:36 PM

[quote]who spouts right-wing greatest hits despite being a registered DEMOCRAT

That's what they all do on this website anyway.

"I'm such a genuine liberal BUT I once saw a trans woman or something so now I have no choice to vote for Trump. But I'm still totally a liberal! Honest!"

by Anonymousreply 110September 30, 2020 8:40 PM

Bitch needs her pussy shredded with a broken bottle.

by Anonymousreply 111September 30, 2020 9:53 PM

I know two, both firefighters who collect excessive amounts of “overtime”. After the mayor they make the most $$$ in my 11,000 pop town.

by Anonymousreply 112September 30, 2020 10:29 PM

Please support Trump. We don't want blm destroying our cities especially during a pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 113October 1, 2020 2:22 AM

Unless R113 is a parody post, then it's the most stupid right wing troll I have seen. I guess Russians eventually ran out of vodka and beets to give them.

by Anonymousreply 114October 1, 2020 2:29 AM

r109 has described plenty of other Deplorables before this borderline woman and we've always known "Indepedent" voters usually break for Republicans on Election Day. The greed wing of the Republican Party is very educated and well-traveled. NOTHING NEW.

NOTHINGBURGER.

Next.

by Anonymousreply 115October 1, 2020 2:47 AM

Bret Stephens? The guy who pre-wrote his post- 2018 midterms "Dem blue wave failed" column, and the NYT had to issue multiple corrections as election results kept coming in and Dems racked up more and more wins?

Yeah, he made this person up.

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by Anonymousreply 116October 1, 2020 2:47 AM

Are they a couple, R112?

by Anonymousreply 117October 1, 2020 1:37 PM

I love that whole subgenre - "I was a radical lefty feminist Bernie-ite but then I saw someone be rude to a police officer so now I'm alt-right!"

by Anonymousreply 118October 7, 2020 1:40 AM

Not surprising.

by Anonymousreply 119October 7, 2020 1:43 AM

Chris the Lesbian is a Cunt.

by Anonymousreply 120October 7, 2020 1:47 AM

Lesbians love Trump. We need a stable economy and a strong leader to deal with the Chinese

by Anonymousreply 121October 7, 2020 10:42 AM

☎️ the call is coming from inside the house

by Anonymousreply 122October 7, 2020 10:58 AM

R118 I agree with some of the far left/Sanders beliefs but there are a sizable subset of Bernie's followers who are completely non sensical. They always attack mainstream Democrats hypocrisy but then shrug their shoulders and chuckle when Republicans act like complete psychos. I really don't know what is going on with their psyche. Granted this woman is probably fake but people like her do exist.

by Anonymousreply 123October 7, 2020 11:23 AM
by Anonymousreply 124October 7, 2020 6:19 PM

I frequent another website and have seen the, "I was a staunch Bernie supporter in 2016 and in 2020 and because he isn't the nominee I'm voting for Trump" posts. It could make some sense in 2016 if you squinted and turned your head to the side but it makes absolutely no sense this year. It's utter bullshit from Repubs or conservative leaning Independents. If a Bernie supporter is voting Trump it is to see the world burn and they won't identify a single GOOD thing Trump's done except punish Dems who aren't progressive enough.

by Anonymousreply 125October 13, 2020 5:24 PM
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