Why Isn't Biden 20 Pts Ahead Of Trump?

Nobody wants to know the answer to that. Just tell yourself something's wrong with the voters and content yourself with his lead in the polls.

candidates are never twenty points ahead anymore

45% of Americans are racist, greedy, or apathetic about bigotry

[quote] candidates are never twenty points ahead anymore

We have never had a President like Trump - what is the mystery for these "undecided" on how to vote. I mean this is a no brainer

America is gonna be in for a huge surprise when the race gets called early. Like in 2016 everyone speculated it would go on for weeks. But we're beyond that already. Biden is gonna win

I don’t understand it either. He’s a cheat, liar, incompetent, crook, morally corrupt...... this should be a blowout for Biden/Harris. What is wrong with America?

Nixon beat McGovern by 23%, the worst popular vote beatdown in modern history. Reagan beat Mondale by 18%.

R6, as several people I know have said, as long as he is appointing judges to overturn Roe v Wade, they don’t care what oh transgressions he has. They vote based on abortion no matter what else happens

Reagan won every state except Mondale's state

Hillary beat Donald by 3 million votes.

Carter lost by 9%

Because the country is full of racist, right-wing nutjobs.

Republicans stick together no matter what , but a significant slice of Democrats tend to defect to Republican candidates based on culture issues. A lot these Bubba Democrats have now defected to be officially Republicans.

Also, a lot of Independents are Republicans on the down low

R6 he's all those things and as he's not the only one, the likeminded have found their fool king. He's demonstrated you can be your worst and 'succeed'. Nov 3 will show us whether we're truly outnumbered by those who embrace those values.

Biden doesn't need to be up by 20% in the polls to win. What would be nice is if voter turnout was 20% higher than last time.

Because 30-40% of Americans are deplorables.

- Hillary

It will take decades to fix this mess. These people will lift Dump into a martyr cult status once he's out of the White House and is being prosecuted. Expect far right rallies, violence and terrorism for years to come. They got their messiah and democrats destroyed him.

Republicans, especially the Trump kind are not subtle in voting for Trump. Biden - Hillary voters are professional and just do the job.

45% are deplorable

You needed a Democratic candidate who was at least 10 years younger.

The rest of the world is stunned at this OAP election, they should both be in care homes.

R19, fuck what the rest of the world thinks! We, Dems need to flip WI, Mi.,PA. Republicans are relentless. They don't play by the same rules.

Only fat, ugly, stupid people are having fat, ugly, stupid spawns in Amerikkka these days. How the mighty has fallen. Pathetic.

Joe Biden is the right guy for the job. He brings people together and he is ready on day one!

Donald is doomed. Coronavirus, the economy, his shit taxes.

COVID is not huge in the news right now. His polling on the issue is gradually improving. Parts of the country is ignoring its existence

Uh, huh R24. Covid thrives on ppl getting together. And America is just getting much colder.

Biden needs masses of young people to head to the polls - but because there is a lack of enthusiasm, they might stay at home. Falling back on what happened in 2016, thinking Trump will lose so what is the point?

Because young people are not taking this virus seriously, I question whether they will even show up at the polls, and Biden needs them.

Conservative voters will crawl on all fours to get to the polls, even if they are shot in both knees

Already 20 percent voter turnout in Falls Church, Virginia for November. Election Day is 5 weeks from tomorrow

EVERYONE IS DISGUSTED BY DONALD'S SELFISH HANDLING OF COVID, THE ECONOMY AND NOW HIS TAXES.

They’re willing to pay with their own lives for yours, if necessary, and that’s the bottom line. They have been programmed to think this way, even if they don’t recognize that this is exactly what is going on. Cult programming is so strong and effective, it can override human self preservation.Stupidity isn’t what motivates this. It’s pure rage and hatred being acted out in the most perfect and conveniently opportune manner possible: No masks. Not you. No opposition. Everyone must be like me to be ok. I am what an American is. Not you, un American. This what the Trump Cult responds to. Biden offers nothing to them.

Anti-masker loses his shit after getting rejected by Subway employees

My friend is visiting Alabama this week. He says he is the only person wearing a mask

Because we live in a hyper-partisan age where entertainment is presented as "news" and people can spread all kinds of bullshit online that people believe.

43 percent of this country is racist, sexist, homophobic, and xenophobic. In other words, deplorable.

It shouldn't be this close

[Quote] 45% of Americans are racist, greedy, or apathetic about bigotry

95% of Americans are apathetic.

Sadly, people have become addicted to drama, shade, fights, stunts and threats. Republicans have not only capitalized on this addiction, but probably encouraged it through media. They hired Trump to create daily distractions, and he has been on TV every day for 5 years.

Maybe "The Apprentice" was their pre-payment to him for running for POTUS (talk about money-laundering)? He apparently earned nearly $200 million doing the show.

Never underestimate the powers of misogyny and racism. Or homophobia, which, if Trump is re elected, will be back in fashion.

[quote] but because there is a lack of enthusiasm, they might stay at home

You are just making shit up.

[quote]Because the country is full of racist, right-wing nutjobs.

Spot-on, R12. I always knew there were some (even many) of these types in "our" country. But I never imagined there would be soooo many. Plus, I overestimated the ability of these "Americans" to change their opinion when presented with a four-year avalanche of reasons why Donnie needs to go, stat.

Fuck you and Fuck this question. If I told you the truth I would be swarmed by your kool aid drinking friends here and be called a TROLL. Not going down that road.

It is too bad that someone with a different point of view cannot express it without being called a troll. Good work Mr. Putin your job is done.

[quote] It is too bad that someone with a different point of view cannot express it without being called a troll.

In other words, you lied, got caught, and now are being a big baby.

If you have actual knowledge back it up with something. Our "different point of view" has been backed up. Let's see your documentation.

He will be by tomorrow morning!

I have a lovely young PT. Today we got into a conversation about Trump. She agrees with her parents, Romanian immigrants, that Trump's morality doesn't matter. Her parents supposedly fled the USSR because they wanted to practice their religion. I told her Trump is immoral and would undercut religion if it got in his way, but I could see she just thought I was a stupid liberal. She's in her early twenties.

Shit.

I'm in red flyover Kansas. The young here are fired up and want Trump out of office. The people who have contacted me re: voting for Biden have all been college aged. I remember how many college areas here had "safe places" on campus to mourn and discuss when Hillary lost. Just anecdotally but few Trump signs -and most of those are on the back of pickup trucks-next to the gun racks. If Trump is -god forbid-reelected, it will because he stole the election with help from Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc.

For god sake , who would vote for this criminal just so he can stay out of prison for the next 4 years. Trump has no plan for the future-just staying out of the penitentiary.

The problem with 2016 is that so many Democrats and liberals thought they had the luxury to sit out the election and express their disdain for an unlikable Hillary Clinton. I pray they are not so Foolish this year

Too many people won't vote for a Democrat because of their record of socialism. Alexandria Ocasio is enough to make a person vote Republican for life. Her belief that the govt should provide an adequate standard of living for anyone who elects not to work says it all to me. I was saddened that Nancy Pelosi didn't read her the riot act on that one.

"Too many people won't vote for a Democrat because of their record of socialism"

But if you're living in a tent, wouldn't Socialism be a step up?

Most people don't live in tents, but I agree if I lived in a tent it would be a step up. I work very hard and live on a budget to hopefully never live in a tent. Most people I know don't live in a tent, thankfully.

R45 If a government wants to increase the size of the economy (employment, indirect taxation etc) the easiest way is to increase social security benefits to the poorest people. They will spend the money rather than bank it. It isn't Socialism in any respect, it's hyper-capitalism. Margaret Thatcher, who was the most right-wing leader that The UK had in a hundred years oversaw the largest rise in benefit spending in the 20th century.

When the Conservative party gained power again in 2010 they increased pensions at a much faster rate via the 'Triple Lock'. They have also more than doubled the basic state pension in the past 10 years. If you are implementing a policy of Quantitative Easing (Printing Money) then give it to the poorest to distribute, it will be much more effective than any tax cut that you could make

Keeping people in poverty will never benefit your overall economy.

[quote]so why is isn't Biden 20 points ahead of Trump

Because we live in two different realities. In their reality, Trump is doing a fantastic job, saved millions of lives, singlehandedly brought back the economy, is fighting for the "little guy" and is kicking the people they think deserve to be kicked.

[quote]Too many people won't vote for a Democrat because of their record of socialism.

And that's just bullshit.

White people are fine with a financial hit if it continues to mean that will be at the top of the social ladder.

So, when people ask, why do poor people vote against their own financial interests—they don’t. They know they will stay above minorities, particularly blacks, if they keep voting for the GOP.

[Quote] Too many people won't vote for a Democrat because of their record of socialism.

Medicare and social security are the very definition of socialism. Just try to take those away and see what happens to your political career.

It’s funny when I mention Medicare and SS to conservatives—they will go on and on about how that’s not socialism because we pay into them and blah blah blah.

How do they think socialist programs work? We all pay into them.

Duh

President (National)

Biden (D) 52% Trump (R) 42%

9/16-9/29 by USC Dornsife (B/C) 5096 LV

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The time for silence has ended!!

Saw that on a sign on a trump supporter's lawn. A casual friend had a trump supporting brother go buy a gun recently because he feels persecuted. My vote is that the trump supporters live in an alternate reality where they aren't king of the hill.

WaPo: Democratic voters who have requested mail ballots — and returned them — greatly outnumber Republicans so far in key battleground states, causing alarm among GOP party leaders and strategists that President Trump’s attacks on mail voting could be hurting the party’s prospects to retain the White House and the Senate this year.

The wide Democratic lead in mail voting so far has been the subject of urgent discussions among top GOP officials, according to people familiar with the conversations. The margins are “stunning” — and bad news for Republicans up and down the ballot, said longtime GOP pollster Whit Ayres.

I haven’t read the whole thread but isn’t the answer obvious?

Two prongs. First one is party. Conservative agitprop is allowed to be broadcast in this country as “news.” It’s turned a whole segment of this country into democrat-haters. They don’t care what a nose picking baboon their candidate is. At least he’s not a demoncrat.

Second one is race. White people feel increasingly set upon by liberals and progressives. There are racists for sure, but quite a few are just tired of race-guilt, and they’ve identified Trump as someone who’s not going to tell them they’re bad people because they’re white.

Robert Costa said last night that some of his republican sources are now predicting a Goldwater-like defeat for Trump. And that some would even welcome that.

This is the reckoning: the U.S. is not the country we may have thought it was. It has many more right-wingers who are fearful of minorities becoming the majority, fearful that they will lose their privilege, and will grab on to anybody -- no matter how corrupt, classless, and phony -- that they can.

NEW: Democrats saw a fundraising boom during and following the wild #Debates2020. Fundraising site @actblue processed close to $8 million between 9:00 and 11:00 pm. Since the start of the debate until this morning, it saw at least $25 million.

Agree, 30 to 40% of this country is deplorable which is why Trump is polling so high. By all rights, he should have already resigned.

Shame on the media who gave this clown legitimacy and shame on all of us for allowing him to get elected the first time.

On the bright side, I live in a red state and have barely seen any Trump signs or bumper stickers. I desperately hope some of the closet, moderate-leaning Repubs either abstain from voting or cross the line and vote Biden. If only for their economic interests alone. The right-wingers who mistakenly believe they are middle class (when they are one paycheck away from the streets) will still vote for Trump because they are too stupid to see the dire economic consequences should Trump remain in office.

This week's Economist/YouGov poll: Biden: 50% Trump: 42 Other 2 Undecided 6 96% of voters say their minds are made up v 4% who say there's a chance they might switch Fielded 9/27 - 9/30. Numbers are among 1350 likely voters.

Agreed R57

Unless it's a true hanging-chad razor-thin situation, the Gee Oh Pee will not be contesting the presidential race, but moving on to 2024. They're far more terrified of losing the Senate.

As for why Biden is not 20 points ahead? Most here don't want to hear about that, preferring to shout "Boris! Boris!" with their fingers on their ears.

[quote] Most here don't want to hear about that, preferring to shout "Boris! Boris!"

Bullshit. There have been several valid reasons offered here, without that response. Maybe your supposed answer is just nonsense.

Why isn’t he 40 pts ahead?

trump throws everything around him into chaos. in that chaos he thrives and drives freaked out people to him

There are a few reasons.

The US is incredibly politically polarized and Americans are sorting themselves increasingly along political lines to larger and larger degrees. This guarantees that both parties will get 40-45% of the vote no matter who the candidate is, even if one of those candidates is Trump.

Also, we are in ever tighter information bubbles. Republicans and Democrats don’t get our news and information from the same sources. 40 years ago, everyone read the same newspapers and watched the same three news networks. That isn’t so anymore.

So, there is no way any candidate is going to be 40 points ahead of any other candidate. It can’t happen in this environment and it has nothing to do with the candidates themselves.

This is another Russian troll thread.

FFS. Why is it a Russian troll thread?

A politician is supposed to go out and win votes, offer things for people to vote for, big improvements to the system and the society, have a plan for the future of the nation. Ideally, they can even be inspiring and exciting. They aren't entitled to your vote because they belong to a particular party. Biden is offering nothing and stands for nothing, he's a hollow man. He's lucky he's ahead. (And I'm a Democrat.)

[quote]He isn't - and so why is isn't Biden 20 points ahead of Trump

Well, I guess if he doesn't win by AT LEAST 20 points, then he doesn't really have a mandate from the people, so we should just let cheeto stay in office, eh OP?

Idiot. From whose ass did you even pull the 20-point figure?

Biden is not 20 points ahead because the polls usually poll "likely voters." Like with 2016, the vast majority of people are not going to vote. Of those that do vote, which skews older, they are more conservative and racist, so they still support Trump. Really though, the reason Trump will win again is the same reason Republicans win every time: voter suppression. That will be even easier this year than in years past.

It’s all rigged! Radical left! Annie get your gun! 🤡

Partisan Dems need to accept that sometimes close elections are just plain lost, not stolen.

new Quinnipiac likely-voter poll of South Carolina:

Trump 48%

Biden 47%

[quote] Idiot. From whose ass did you even pull the 20-point figure?

Because Trump is a politician that so terrible, he should be in the negative range when it comes to support

R74: I'm not sure that it's a case of unpopular Senator dragging down the prez vote? That race is a tossup as well.

[quote] They aren't entitled to your vote because they belong to a particular party. Biden is offering nothing and stands for nothing, he's a hollow man.

Please do fuck off. You trolls said the same thing four years ago. And it's still not true. Biden offers decency, normalcy, competency. Trump offers chaos. It's an easy decision.

[quote] (And I'm a Democrat.)

Sure, Jan.

Because Biden is an idiot too.

I love Biden

Sleepy Joe handed Trump his ass last night.

538 odds: Biden 81%. Economist odds: 91%. PredictIt odds: 64%.

Biden offers nothing? What about free college, moderate SCOTUS appointments, a $15 per hour minimum wage, clean energy investments, reinstating all the environmental laws and regulations Trump rescinded, among others.

Bull-fucking-shit he doesn't offer anything. Go douche with a fucking fire hose at full blast.

We're a month out with SC, TX and AK within margin-of-error. R's are playing some serious defense here. What could save them might be either Biden having an "incident" during an interview or debate (stumbling more than any previous "bad" day) or going full-blown SJW to scare off suburbanites, which I don't see likely. It's his to lose for sure.

Incumbent needs to make up so much lost ground in the Blue Wall States, I don't see how he does it; if anything, it's going to get worse for him.

A friend told me that he's incredibly discouraged to the point of being frightened. When I pointed out that the polls for president and Congress are looking pretty good these days, he replied "Yeah, but that was true for Clinton, too." I maintain that her support in the fall was far softer than Biden's is now.

Americans are totally removed from government. Makes it easier to get behind candidates who are idiots. Also, the news channels used to cover public policy. Is this tax cut a good idea? How should we handle the homeless? What is the best way to get the most people healthcare? You'd have experts debating this stuff. now its all Trump, on both liberal and conservative channels

"Sleepy Joe handed Trump his ass last night."

Let's not rewrite history. It was basically a bully pummeling the wimp up against the fence in the playground ("C'mon, man")- with Chris Wallace on the lookout for Teacher. And most Americans admire that. It was painful to watch how disoriented Joe was.

[quote] It was painful to watch how disoriented Joe was.

Go fuck yourself.

Because Biden is a weak and uncompelling candidate who is only likely to become President at this late date because his opponent is so obviously a clinical narcissist borderline sociopath 12 year old dress up as a grown man.

In fact, the 2020 election is in some ways, or so it seems to a Brit looking in, to be mirroring what happened in 2016, only magnified many times: a less than compelling Democratic candidate with a good deal of baggage and manifestly unpopular amongst the working-class up against a staggeringly unqualified and ridiculous Republican one. In the latter instance, the less than compelling Dem candidate was good enough but not quite, won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college, and many people didn't realise just how bad Trump was.

This time, the Democrats are likely to have luck on their side: COVID has exposed the worst of Trump (what my sainted Mum would have called an ill wind that blew some good), and this time, despite a very weak candidate, the Democrats are likely to pull it off.

For what its worth, I've spoken before about many ties to friends in America in the Tri-State area: they report myriad Trump signs on lawns in upscale communities like Old Tappan, Harrington Park, Rivervale, Closter, and Westwood (NJ); Greenwich (CT); well-heeled Westchester suburbs; and towns in Rockland County. To be sure, they report plenty of Biden-Harris lawn signs, as well.

But the point is, these are not redneck flyover areas.

I am fairly convinced, not to say hopeful, that Biden will take it, so this terrible period of American politics can being recovery. But it won't mean, from what I can tell, that Americans are terribly enthused about Biden, only that another four years of Trump will be catastrophic for the nation.

And that is why Biden is not 20 points ahead of Trump everywhere.

^*dressed up as a grown man

^*can begin recovery

Because people fucking suck.

Half of America is exactly like Trump. Selfish, greedy,, lazy and stupid. All four traits. Those people love him.

He may well wind up there OP

You forgot ignorant

Biden is the right candidate for this time, but I am curious about who R87 supported in the primaries.

Anyone who calls troll is outing themself! Troll!!!

[quote]Let's not rewrite history.

Follow your own advice, dear, as nothing you wrote even remotely resembles reality.

[quote]It was basically a bully pummeling the wimp up against the fence in the playground ("C'mon, man")- with Chris Wallace on the lookout for Teacher. And most Americans admire that. It was painful to watch how disoriented Joe was.

LOL... Oh, you poor thing.

r83 The polls were not so great for Clinton. Like everyone else, I'm terrified of another Trump win but Clinton's numbers were always stuck in the low to mid 40's. She went into her first Trump debate with a poll showing her leading 43-40.

I'm not sure anyone has ever stated anywhere the fact that baked into Hillary's low polling numbers was an assumption that undecideds wouldn't vote for Trump in large numbers. That they'd stay home or come to their senses. Instead, they showed up and voted for him 4-1 in swing states.

R87 should stick to talking about British politics.

And 2016 featured abysmal Democratic turnout

R97 - Because you think mentioning that fears re a Trump win might not be so foolish when looking at people openly supporting him in areas that aren't what you Americans call "flyover states"?

Here's a term from the British politics you seem to think have nothing to tell you: shy voters - you know, the kind of voter that wouldn't admit s/he was supporting BREXIT or the Tories.

Here's another: in politics, a week is a lifetime.

I'll let my numerous, and alarmed, American friends know that an expert on DL thinks that they are hallucinating those lawn signs in northeastern liberal blue states, or that they aren't cause for concern.

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In the last 30 days on Ben Shapiro Facebook page, he has gotten 51.4 million interactions. That's more than five times as many as The New York Times. And it's more than CBS, CNN, NBC, ABC combined."

Trump is on track to lose. Let's move on and hope the AOC/Bernie/far left wing of the Dem party doesn't cause a Republican landslide in 2022 and a Republican President 2 years after that. America is a moderate country and it is time for the moderates of both parties to work together and get things moving.

R101, focus on this election

[quote]Because you think mentioning that fears re a Trump win might not be so foolish when looking at people openly supporting him in areas that aren't what you Americans call "flyover states"?

No, because your "analysis" was kinda stupid, R99. In particular, this line, "In fact, the 2020 election is in some ways, or so it seems to a Brit looking in, to be mirroring what happened in 2016" was remarkably ignorant.

He’s 16 points ahead according to this poll. That’s close.