What was Spain's greatest contribution to mankind?
For a place as old as venerable it sure is a bit short on actual significant contributions to mankind, isn't it? It's probably most famous for the "Age of Exploration", but that led to millions of deaths so there was hardly anything great about it.
Was it the invention of siesta that prevented them from achieving greater things?
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R2 The greatest painter on that list is El Greco and he wasn't even Spanish.
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Insert randy bull (or just very hung guy named Randy) into OP pic.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||09/11/2020|
Fucking owning he whole fucking globe at one point. Spanish silver was the world currency in the 16th century. The trade they promoted Brought chilies to India, oranges to Florida, coffee to Colombia and sweet potatoes to the Philippines.
They were rich but horrible at business, it took the dutch and English to Set that up.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||09/11/2020|
Art, architecture, music, dance. The land itself is often beautiful beyond belief. The people of Spain are the warmest and most beautiful in the world.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||09/11/2020|
Don't forget the Inquisition - thanks, Spanish Catholics.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||09/11/2020|
They invented the novel (Cervantes).
|by Anonymous||reply 13||09/11/2020|
Isn't "The Tale of Genji" (predating Don Quixote by almost 600 years) usually considered to be the world's first novel?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||09/11/2020|
Tapas. If only their men didnt have foreskin...
|by Anonymous||reply 15||09/11/2020|
Charo, who, apart from her zany antics, is actually a highly regarded flamenco guitarist.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||09/11/2020|
Tapas are possibly of anti-Semitic origins:
[quote] It has also been claimed that tapas originated in the south of Spain during the time of the Spanish Inquisition as a means of publicly identifying conversos, Jews who had converted to Christianity. Since tapas often consist in part of ham or other non-kosher foodstuffs, the reluctance of the conversos to eat whatever tapas dish was offered to them could be taken as a tacit admission that they had not abandoned their Jewish faith, thus tapas were a tool of the Spanish Inquisition.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||09/11/2020|
No country is as superior as the USA.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||09/11/2020|
No. Probably they created idiots like OP who cancels out all their achievements. SAD.!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 20||09/11/2020|
Language. More people speak Spanish as their native language than any other except Chinese. As between Spanish and Chinese, one of the ugliest languages in the world, there is no comparison. Religion. DL atheists may not like it, but more people in the world are Christian because of the Spanish than any other group, and their lives are better for it. Culture. (Already discussed above.)
|by Anonymous||reply 21||09/11/2020|
Spanish language is gorgeous, that's for sure, but unfortunately the spreading of Spanish throughout their colonies also meant the demise of thousands of other languages.
And let's not forget that Spaniards also worked very hard to suppress the Basque language, THE OLDEST LANGUAGE IN EUROPE, up until very recently. Luckily they failed.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||09/11/2020|
R17, are you a member of Hillel? Anti-Semitic food? What absurdity is next?
|by Anonymous||reply 24||09/11/2020|
R25 He's no Rodrigo Cuevas!
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Stunningly gorgeous gay men.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||09/11/2020|
This is kind of a silly question. What counts as "Spain"? It arguably wasn't even a "country" until 1492 (the end of the reconquista), so are we only looking at "contributions" made since then? Germany and Italy weren't countries until the late 1800s, so they made no "contributions" before that late date. What counts as a "contribution"? Does it have to be something that produced a net benefit to humanity? It's near impossible to calculate whether an invention's benefits outweigh its costs. Making that calculation about cultural contributions like religion, discovery of the Americas, etc., is even harder. But even if you settle on a coherent definition of "Spain" and "contribution," you still have the problem of what counts as a "contribution" attributable to "Spain." Fact is, western Europe is one big cultural sphere, and it's impossible to separate out the influences of what are now different countries. The Spanish ruled the low countries for a long time, so Dutch achievements during and after Spanish rule can't be separated from Spain, etc. And there are many similar problems.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||09/11/2020|
Culture including Spanish language, exploration and conquest (with Portuguese) leading to a global humanity, art. Spain may not be the most important contributor in certain areas but in many areas they certainly are important.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||09/11/2020|
Spanish gastronomy and all its regions. Cervantes and Golden Age Theatre, painters, Rafa Nadal, caballé, domingo and Carreras. Not bad. Almodóvar, Saura and Buñuel. And Lorda and Cernuda.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||09/11/2020|
I suppose Garrotting was rather unique
|by Anonymous||reply 32||09/11/2020|
they prevented the muslim expansion to europe so that those anglo racists in the UK remain white.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||09/11/2020|
they founded the first schools and the first restaurants in the united states
|by Anonymous||reply 35||09/11/2020|
Torturing and killing cows as a form of entertainment.
Killing off the indigenous population of the Americas by spreading cold/flu and other diseases, as well as murdering them.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||09/11/2020|
The world's greatest lisping, gaydar-scrambling men.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||09/11/2020|
El Camino de Santiago. I’ve walked it twice. I wish everyone could. COvid May have slowed it popularity.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||09/11/2020|
Walking El Camino was high up on my bucket list until I heard those pilgrim albergues are swarming with bed bugs.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||09/11/2020|
It lead to the discovery of the Americas. They became experts in exporting the New World's treasures to the rest of the world changing civilization forever: from how they eat to the dispersion of the world human population.
The truth is that Spain is all that and a bag of chips.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||09/11/2020|
R43 - well there is that risk, though not swarming. About the same risk as most American hotels.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||09/11/2020|
[quote]Tapas are possibly of anti-Semitic origins:
|by Anonymous||reply 47||09/11/2020|
Well, the Americas. Christopher Colombus went out on Ferdinand and Isabella's behalf.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||09/11/2020|
Why is everybody bending over backwards answering a question asked by a bigoted xenophobe?
|by Anonymous||reply 49||09/11/2020|
I just assumed it was typical Dl snobbery but now that you say so... OP's post does sound awfully aggressive and xenophobic.
Speak up OP or be blocked forever !!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 50||09/11/2020|
I guess I'm xenophobic a bit (who isn't?!) but the nations I happen to have the lowest tolerance for are the Chinese, Americans, the French and Russkies - now those are vile and ill-mannered people. Spaniards are among the nations I have absolutely nothing against, I was just pointing out that their history is a bit short on significant contributions to mankind (no great scientific finds, no great composers...) Yeah, they did change the world forever with them "discovering" new lands, but not necessarily for the better.
But I do love the Spanish people themselves, because they're one of the most relaxed and pleasant people in the world. Unlike other Western Europeans (who often act snobby and seem like they have brooms stuck up their asses) they seem like a very modest and self-deprecating bunch with a great sense of humour. They're a bit too loud for my taste, but that ceases to be a problem after you down a couple of sangria glasses.
So, is this enough to stay off your ignored list, oh beloved Oracle of Santa Ines?
|by Anonymous||reply 51||09/11/2020|
I'd say hot nights in Barcelona. First European city I've ever visited. One of the best vacations of my life. Till this day I tried recreating the magic, even going back once. It was close but never the same. I did fuck a built Italian guy. He had Catholic guilt after the deed was done but his heels were to the sky as soon as I closed the door to the hotel room. I loved spending the nights dancing and dancing before taking a stroll on the beach at 5am.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||09/11/2020|
Low, heavy, thick, multi-ethnic post colonial uncut cock drizzled with the most delectable olive oil.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||09/11/2020|
[quote]r23 Spanish language is gorgeous
I hate the lisping part. Annoying (and pretentious) as [italic]fuck[/italic].
|by Anonymous||reply 58||09/11/2020|
Best: kicking the Moors off the Iberian peninsula, stopping the spread of Islam from the southwest.
Granted, the Spaniards have the worst of the colonial records. They obliterated an entire third column of human history (the Americas), and most traces of any precolonial arts and culture across their entire empire (Philippines, for example).
|by Anonymous||reply 59||09/11/2020|
You've never heard dirty talk until you've heard a Barcelona man say the word 'coño!' in a breathy Almodóvarian whisper.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||09/11/2020|
i have been to italy and let me tell you that it was boring as hell. yes beautiful museums and architecture but that is it.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||09/11/2020|
The ass in OP's pic is enough of a contribution.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||09/11/2020|
Are we supposed to ignore the fact that the Moors just happened to be one of the most advanced civilizations in Europe at the time?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||09/11/2020|
R59, the Spanish were more humane colonists than the English or the Belgians. The English intentionally committed genocide against Native Americans.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||09/11/2020|
Celebrate the Spaniard prepucio forever.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||09/11/2020|
That's ridiculous, R65. Look the world over at the British Empire, whether the Indian Subcontinent, Burma, Africa, and - yes - the Americas. Cultures, religions, names, writing styles, and more were all left intact.
The British did nothing of the sort against the Native Americans on some large scale. When it comes to the Americas, the British Crown's tolerance of the Quebecois' Roman Catholicism compared to the puritanical Americans is a large part as to why they did not also join in the American Revolution.
The Spanish in their Catholic fervor destroyed pretty much all precolonial existence, renamed their subjects in the Spanish fashion, forbade the native languages, and ruled by the cross. The British were interested in making money.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||09/11/2020|
I found this curious quote on Spaniards from Immanuel Kant. Looks like people looking down on Spanish culture goes back a looong time.
[quote] The Spaniard's bad side is that he does not learn from foreigners; that he does not travel in order to get acquainted with other nations; that he is centuries behind in the sciences. He resists any reform; he is proud of not having to work; he is of a romantic quality of spirit, as the bullfight shows; he is cruel, as the former auto-da-fé shows; and he displays in his taste an origin that is partly non-European."
|by Anonymous||reply 68||09/11/2020|
King Ferdinand II and Queen Isabella I both of Aragon reigning over a dynastically unified Spain, 1469 and 1474, respectively, through 1504.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||09/11/2020|
Picasso. Gaudi. And I think the Catholic Church probably did more than the siesta to “prevent” achievements.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||09/11/2020|
R67= brainwashed Englishman. The English were the most ruthless exterminationists that ever existed. They used their religion as a license to murder. And newsflash, prior to 1776, the American colonists were British. But you knew that, you're just being dishonest.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||09/11/2020|
La Marieta, Rocio Durcal.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||09/11/2020|
The Macarena from Los Del Rio
|by Anonymous||reply 73||09/11/2020|
They made lisping acceptable
|by Anonymous||reply 74||09/11/2020|
Filipinos with Spanish names!
|by Anonymous||reply 77||09/11/2020|
Hot men and literally that is all.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||09/11/2020|
The British Empire was all about trade not genocide, although many of the Native Indians died of smallpox and other European diseases brought over by the colonists.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||09/11/2020|
R2 Tapas originated with the Basques. But they call them pinxtos. And pork is a mainstay of Basque food.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||09/11/2020|
Here’s a list of Spanish inventions OP/r51 that’ll hopefully enlighten your ignorant ass.
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[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]
|by Anonymous||reply 84||09/11/2020|
[quote]King Ferdinand II and Queen Isabella I both of Aragon reigning over a dynastically unified Spain, 1469 and 1474, respectively, through 1504.
Actually, Ferdinand was of Aragon and Isabella of Castile. Isabella was the mo
|by Anonymous||reply 85||09/11/2020|
R80 the article above at R84 is for you, learn some of your History.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||09/11/2020|
The pork/conversos thing is correct
No idea if it had anything to do with tapas, but pork is a mainstay of Spanish cuisine because the Inquisition wanted to root out Jews and Muslims (who can't eat pork either) who were still practicing their religion.
One way a convert could prove that they had taken to Catholicism was to openly eat pork and thus it became a popular menu item.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||09/11/2020|
R83 Wow: lollipops, Molotov cocktails and a farthingale. To quote that Trump-loving cunt Shania Twain: that list don't impress me much.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||09/11/2020|
Thirty-five different forms of ever goddamn verb.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||09/11/2020|
Sculptured wood-look furniture.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||09/11/2020|
The explicit physical exhibitionism of hispanophone women.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||09/11/2020|
R26, what is that? A skateboard?
|by Anonymous||reply 98||09/11/2020|
Geez, R29, wasn't I in your class at Whatsamatta U?
|by Anonymous||reply 99||09/11/2020|
It's a traditional wooden clog, called Cantabrian albarca. Rodrigo seems to be fond of wearing them...Or using them to hide his polla.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||09/11/2020|
[quote]i have been to italy and let me tell you that it was boring as hell.
Said no one but you, ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||09/11/2020|
It's arguable that the siesta ranks up with the discovery of electricity and the vaccine for polio.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||09/11/2020|
What about me you conyos ingratos
|by Anonymous||reply 103||09/11/2020|
I'm surprised Cecilia Gimenez hasn't been mentioned yet.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||09/11/2020|
[quote][R83] Wow: lollipops, Molotov cocktails and a farthingale. To quote that Trump-loving cunt Shania Twain: that list don't impress me much.
Sure. Ignore stuff like antiseptics, calculators, steam engines, botany, the Gregorian calendar, eye glasses and radiology/radiotherapy.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||09/11/2020|
R79 yes, including this hot piece of ass. Mmmm, yummy.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||09/11/2020|
R108 and this one, damn, this boy has one fine culo
|by Anonymous||reply 109||09/11/2020|
Most of the nightmare that is Latin America. Not one successful colony.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||09/11/2020|
Why are their features so dark? Don't people evolve after all this time? It's like they live in Africa. They seem so unnecessary.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||09/11/2020|
R84 None of those things was an atrocity caused by Britain. This is pseudo-history very popular among the anti-colonial crazies.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||09/11/2020|
[quote]"Y Tu Mama Tambien"
From Mexico, not Spain.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||09/11/2020|
Locomia!!!!!! gay fashion, dancing and style.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||09/11/2020|
r110 spaniards were never the majority of the population in those colonies, they were indeed a minority.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||09/11/2020|
Friendliest Europeans I ever met on about 15 trips were Basques in Pamplona. Invited to stay with the family of a hotelier, during the Fiesta of San Fermin, aka, the running of the bulls. Ate dinner with the family.
I'd loved Spain ever since high school Spanish, and then after reading "Iberia." It was thrilling to finally visit, to see the Prado, the Alhambra, Madrid, Cuenca, Sevilla, Cordoba, Toledo, Jerez, Salamanca, Santander, the Pyrenees, and more.
But the absolute best sight among innumerable glorious ones, was right near that Basque family. The waiting time to view the famous Altamira caves was more than we could manage, so we drove on. And then we saw signs to a different cave with Neanderthal murals! Truly awe-inspiring.
What was Spain's major contribution? Besides the founding of our cities along the Franciscans' 16th Century trail, from St. Augustine to San Diego?
Latin America (Brazil excepted).
|by Anonymous||reply 117||09/11/2020|
The Spanish Foreign Legion
|by Anonymous||reply 118||09/11/2020|
R112 denial is strong with you, remove you're fucking blinders and realise that "Britain"'s action had a negative impact on others. Or you prefer to pretend like Churchill wasn't prime minister during the Bengal famine?
|by Anonymous||reply 119||09/11/2020|
[quote] Sure. Ignore stuff like antiseptics, calculators, steam engines, botany, the Gregorian calendar, eye glasses and radiology/radiotherapy.
The use of antiseptics goes back to Ancient Greece and so does modern botany and eye glasses. The first mechanical calculator was a German invention and the mastermind behind the Gregorian calendar was a Kraut too. Radiotherapy was first used in France and the US, using the findings of German scientists.
So now you know why I ignored that stuff, missy!
|by Anonymous||reply 120||09/12/2020|
R65 unfortunately, not true.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||09/12/2020|
the hero of gaylings everywhere
|by Anonymous||reply 124||09/12/2020|
The best thing I ate in Spain (other than ass).
|by Anonymous||reply 125||09/12/2020|
Cruisy dunes at every gay beach from the Canarias to Mallorca.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||09/12/2020|
You seriously need to ask!?
|by Anonymous||reply 128||09/12/2020|
Lots of great writers, poets, novelists, playwrights (Cervantes, Lorca, the Quinteros), and many great musicians, (Granados, de Falla, Albeniz, Mompou). Great visual artists and architects. What they lacked were the political and social conditions to found sustainable schools for scientists to be trained and to flourish, and for middle class businesses to thrive. Sadly, most of the silver and gold mined in the New World came back to Spain to build palaces and churches and support armies, not to found and support institutions of learning, especially in science and engineering.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||09/12/2020|
R129 Great post. And a lot of that silver and gold never even made it to Spain, because it was spent on building new colonial cities abroad and on new land discoveries instead. That's also why Madrid seems so plain for a former imperial capital - the colonies cost the Spaniards so much they couldn't even afford to give their capital a major facelift.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||09/12/2020|
Rafael Nadal's world famous ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||09/12/2020|
I always thought Rafa's ass was so overrated. I prefer those tight matador butts.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||09/12/2020|
And thanks to the bulls you get to see more than just their butts occasionally:
|by Anonymous||reply 133||09/12/2020|
Siesta is in fact very good for the body and mind.
By the way, Spain changed a lot in a short period of time, which of course means contradictions.
Right now bullfights are not popular at all for most people, in fact i think most people in Spain really hates them.
Antonio Machado in one of his poems talked about the two Spains, and i think it's still relevant. There's a big divide between conservative and progessist (in spanish liberal has a very different meaning), even with that Spain tends towards left.
Like other southern european countries (specially Italy and Portugal), spanish people tend to be caotic and louder, but way warmer and caring than north and central europeans
|by Anonymous||reply 135||09/12/2020|
The mop Lollipops Cigarettes Steam engine Wheelchairs Glasses Neuroscience
|by Anonymous||reply 136||09/12/2020|
Spain's biggest problem is - it has always seemed to be at war with itself. Still is.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||09/12/2020|
The Spanish are the missing link between northern Europeans and blacks. 500 millions years it took to go from African to Spanish and only 100 million for Spanish to evolve into northern Europeans
|by Anonymous||reply 142||09/12/2020|
Alaska is actually Mexican but the Spanish adore her, R138
|by Anonymous||reply 145||09/12/2020|
How about that tiny actor on faulty towers? Manuel?
|by Anonymous||reply 146||09/12/2020|
Killed off all the brown people in South America and brought horse s to America
|by Anonymous||reply 147||09/12/2020|
r120 you have to back up all the crap that you wrote with actual data, cite your sources missy.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||09/12/2020|
R146, You mean the totally British actor who played Manuel?
|by Anonymous||reply 149||09/12/2020|
Ferdinand the Bull, who refused to fight.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||09/12/2020|
R149 jerk. How about bike riders. Some Spanish rider are in tour de france
|by Anonymous||reply 151||09/12/2020|
Excuse me, r151?!
How is a British actor playing "Manuel" in "Fawlty Towers" a "contribution of Spain"? And why am I a "jerk" for being factual?
Furthermore, what makes you think your illiterate "Some Spanish rider are in tour de france" is an example of...what, exactly? Was somebody claiming that only Frenchmen participate? Was somebody claiming that the Tour de France is one of France's "contributions"?
WTH is your point?
ARE YOU MENTALLY ILL?!
|by Anonymous||reply 152||09/13/2020|
[quote] You mean the totally British actor who played Manuel?
The actor who played Manuel was actually a German Jew. I'm sure Immanuel Kant would find the idea of a Kraut playing a Spaniard amusing.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||09/13/2020|
They are weird a little. A guy my roommate dyaed seemed super smart and well-read and cultured, yet was an abusive macho type. Him and his colleagues made good money as engineers on a huge project in Romania, yet, unlike the locals who are not so well-paid seemed to have zero interest in leaving their homes for any cultural events or flying for a weekend trip anywhere interesting. They seemed to straddle between macho, intellectual and retarded.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||09/13/2020|
R154 You're complaining because they were both smart AND macho?! I'm pretty sure that's how most queens would describe their dream man.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||09/13/2020|
R153 you r robbing Spain of their only contribution. Leave me alone while I quietly sob
|by Anonymous||reply 159||09/13/2020|
Andalusian (Mission) style.
The Plaza The Dollar Puebla Cathedral
|by Anonymous||reply 160||09/13/2020|
Lo siento llego tarde a la fiesta, pero Benito Pérez Galdos, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Naranjas de Sevilla, (le auténtica "Marmelada"de Bretaña no es posible sin ellas) Flan, Manchego, Cristóbal Balenciaga: "El maestro de todos nosotros"- Christian Dior. Ciudad de México,, Puerta Rico., y San Agustín Florida, USA
Sorry I'm late to the party, but Galdos, Marquez, Seville Oranges, (real British Marmelade isn't possible without them) Crème Caramel, Manchego, Balenciaga: "The Master of Us All -Christian Dior, Mexico City, Puerto Rico, and St. Augustine Florida, USA. ¡Muchísimas Gracias España!
|by Anonymous||reply 161||09/13/2020|
R161 The origins of crème caramel are unclear; the UK, Spain and France all claim it as their own.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||09/13/2020|
R164 ¿De veras? Para ti... They were the first to top Flan with a caramel sauce, and are responsible for spreading it to the world.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||09/13/2020|
How about Jordan schlansky on Conan O'Brien? He has nice Spanish chest
|by Anonymous||reply 167||09/13/2020|
Flamenco y Tangos Gitanos
|by Anonymous||reply 168||09/13/2020|
For some reason that (overrated) band changed its name from Barcelona Gipsy KLEZMER Orchestra to Barcelona Gipsy BALKAN Orchestra. That move sounds a bit anti-semitic to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||09/13/2020|
R170 It's a slightly different ensemble with more of a focus on Balkan music generally, than strictly Gitanos or Gipsy songs. Not every album they release has this name, as it depends who is playing with them. Many orchestras are like this.
Both names are used, and BGKO is still very much part of their banding. I think if you were familiar with their music, it would make more sense to you. I'm not seeing where you see antisemitism, and I just so happen to be Jewish.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||09/13/2020|
Cultural genocide is their worst contribution.
They obliterated the native peoples in the Caribbean and almost totally wiped them out in South America. The British and the French Empires look like the Red Cross compared to what the Spaniards did in the Americas.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||09/13/2020|
R173 cultural? They exterminate d the people and if those people were fully human , that's bad because it means it could happen to us.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||09/13/2020|
the black legend invented by anglos for political purposes against spain is bullshit. the cruelest slave owners were the anglos, as proven by the bunch of black people who flee their anglo masters.
spaniards never kill or exterminated natives, in fact, the mayan language is still alive. spaniards, unlike anglos did intermixed a lot with both indians and blacks as they didnt have the virulent hate and racism that anglos had toward natives and black. in the spanish kingdoms you had indians that were educated in prestigious universities and became soldiers for the spanish crown.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||09/13/2020|
R175 is 100% correct. The British invented modern genocide and the most diabolic systems of racial hierarchy.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||09/13/2020|
The cultures remain. It's the people who were subject to genocide.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||09/13/2020|
r175 That varies greatly from country-to-country. In Mexico, the vast majority of the population is mestizo, but you go to someplace like Argentina and the vast majority of the people are 100% European.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||09/13/2020|
Of course the Nazis killed the undesirables!
|by Anonymous||reply 179||09/13/2020|
It's funny how racist white Latinos never let you forget about their European background, but to actual Europeans these people seem just as "exotic" as mestizos or the Natives.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||09/13/2020|
r180 im white latino, and I have traveled all around europe and nobody ever asked me if i was"latino". what's more, in the 20+ years that I have lived in the US nobody has ever been able to tell where I was born, when I open my mouth and they listen to my accent they ask me whether im from europe.
besides, anglos of english, irish and german ancestry can feel proud of their ancestry, so can we as well, white latinos of spanish, portuguese and italian background, and that doesnt mean that we are racist, unlike anglos, who do it not because they want to keep their ancestral identity but because of some stupid white supremacist ideology. I was born in cuba, a country where we practice more than three african religions from nigeria, congo and gambia and where ancient african languages is still spoken, so I never heard about white supremacists until I came to the US.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||09/13/2020|
R181 why can't you admit that northern European s are superior? Your attitude is childish.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||09/13/2020|
This interesting thread has really gone off the rails.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||09/13/2020|
R182, the only thing northern Europeans are superior in is their susceptibility to the Dunning-Kruger effect. Northern Europeans were still sticking their arms in boiling water to settle legal disputes when Southern Europeans were crafting the Corpus Juris Civilis.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||09/13/2020|
The Church of San Nicolas, in Valencia.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||09/13/2020|
R180, Spain is a huge part of the History of Latin America. There are almost no Latinos that don't recognize that Spain is part of the reason they are alive, with a few exceptions. Mestizo is a new ethnicity created by the Spanish and Natives. Unique to the Americas. This did not happen with the white groups from the US and Canada, for the most part.
To this day Spain has a lot of influence with the official Spanish spoken in the New World's governments, including the US. La Real Academia Española, which is the head of all the other 22 official academies that guard the Spanish language around the world, is infamous for pressuring governments to rewrite official texts books and official government documents. In the 90s right after the Mexican economy collapsed, the Royal Spanish Academy very famously pressured a broke Mexican government to reprint an entire volume of school books (in the millions) because the freshly printed books included a word they deemed outdated. Spain lost a lot of its influence during the Franco years, but make no mistake, they have ramp up their influence in the last 2 decades.
If you control the language, you control the narrative.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||09/13/2020|
the greatest contribution that spain has given to the world is that it embraces all races equally, spain is the least homophobic and racist country in all europe. yes, they are some people who are like that but most of them are christians.
the difference between anglos and latinos of european background is that gringos have a racial identity that is almost pathological.it is based on race, skin color, and other stupid ideologies. this is thanks to their english roots. latinos of european ancestry have a cultural identity mainly to spain, portugal and italy and they dont identify with the concept of whiteness or europeanness, because that type of racial ideology is not what the poor spanish peasants brought to latin america.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||09/13/2020|
R187 Oh yeah, it's a fun place to be around...Unless you happen to be Jewish. Research shows that Spain is one of the most antisemitic countries in Europe.
[quote] According to a poll commissioned by the Spanish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 58.4% of Spaniards believe that "the Jews were powerful because they controlled the economy and the mass media. This number reached 62.2% among university students and 70.5% among those who are "interested in politics." More than 60% of Spanish university students said they did not want Jewish classmates. In other polling data, more than one-third (34.6%) of Spanish people had an unfavorable or completely unfavorable opinion of Jewish people. Among those who recognized themselves as having "antipathy for the Jewish people," only 17% says this was due to the "conflict in the Middle East." Nearly 30% of those surveyed said their dislike of Jews had to do with "their religion," "their customs," and "their way of life," while early 20% of Spaniards said they dislike Jews although they do not know why.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||09/13/2020|
They own the coolest TLD on Earth -- .cat
|by Anonymous||reply 189||09/13/2020|
R181, You will not persuade or seem even semi-literate until you use proper capitalization.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||09/14/2020|
R188 I've experienced enough Jews to understand why they are hated.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||09/14/2020|
R176 certainly got over the impact of the Spanish Conquests of the Americas and the subjugation and genocide of millions of indigenous Americans.
Oh, that's right.
She's woke and focused. And she don't care about no Indians.
Fuck people who use "history" for special interests and crankery without context. The British in history have a terrible burden to answer for, and that includes effects all over the world, but inserting quibble words such as "systems" and crapping out inappropriate words such as "diabolic" (very learned) just makes you a polemicist. And polemicists are usually liars for "the cause."
|by Anonymous||reply 192||09/14/2020|
r181 r187 Absolutely no one considers people of Italian descent to be Latino. And most people in the US don't use that term to refer to any Europeans. And why do you think that most "gringos" have English ancestry?
|by Anonymous||reply 193||09/14/2020|
R92: How many years did you study the Spanish language? I did four. Its also a gendered language which threw me for a loop. Plus heavily influenced by Arabic.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||09/14/2020|
What was Spain's greatest contribution to mankind?
The diseases of Europe that indigenous Americans had no immunity to.
Just like Trump and Covid, biological genocide.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||09/14/2020|
Netanyahu's dad wrote a very large and convincing book that anti-Jewish agitation in Ferdinand & Isabella's Spain was really a form of modern racism.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||09/14/2020|
Totopos (or nachos) are not from Spain.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||09/14/2020|
R192, there's no polemicist more disingenuous than one who accuses others of being polemicists and then smuggles their partisan ideas in under a veil of feigned moderation and objectivity. I'm allowed to use the word "systems" as shorthand, I don't have to write a dissertation. And the fact that you think a basic word like "system" is a "woke" catchphrase demonstrates that social media has turned your brain to mush. If you are interested in learning about the difference between British and Spanish racial hierarchies, there is an abundance of free materials available on the internet. Your laziness and ignorance is not a license to attack your betters.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||09/14/2020|
people of italian descend who are born in latin american countries are latinos, that goes for everybody, whether they are chinese, japanese etc. latino is a definition that doesnt take into account origin. latin america received a lot of italian inmigration, not only argentina but venezuela, and cuba as well and they all consider themselves latinos.
the root of american racism comes mainly from the english colonizers. later generations came up with the one drop rule and other forms of racist policies to keep the "white" race pure.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||09/14/2020|
They’re called Latinx now, r201!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 202||09/14/2020|
Muriel, please ban the antisemitic neo-nazi cunt at R191!
|by Anonymous||reply 203||09/14/2020|
Picasso was a hack and a misogynist!
Why isn't the fabulous Remedios Varo ever mentioned when it comes to great 20th century Spanish painters, huh huh?! The male dominance of the art industry must stop right here and now!
|by Anonymous||reply 205||09/14/2020|
And not only was Miss Varo tremendously talented, she also happened to have really fabulous hair (unlike that fat baldy Picasso).
|by Anonymous||reply 206||09/14/2020|
I picked up a Varro at a boot sale recently for $20 bucks. You never see Picasso’s at a rummage sale. I see what you’re saying r205.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||09/14/2020|
R205 - honestly she’s pretty incredible, just kidding about the garage sales.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||09/14/2020|
Flamenco dance and flamenco guitar.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||09/14/2020|
Let's get this thread back on track celebrating the positive.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||09/15/2020|
Asturias/Leyenda by Issac Albeniz. Amazing
|by Anonymous||reply 214||09/15/2020|
Santiago de Murcia was another great Spanish composer. His guitar pieces (which sound remarkably contemporary) make me shake my booty like it's 1698 all over again.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||09/15/2020|
And then there was also poor Juan Arriaga, who died before even turning 20 but left behind some great and very catchy pieces.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||09/15/2020|
And judging from his only surviving portrait he looked kinda cute too. Dammit, why is it always the hot ones who have to die so young?!
|by Anonymous||reply 218||09/15/2020|
María del Rosario Cayetana Paloma Alfonsa Victoria Eugenia Fernanda Teresa Francisca de Paula Lourdes Antonia Josefa Fausta Rita Castor Dorotea Santa Esperanza Fitz-James Stuart, Silva, Falcó y Gurtubay
|by Anonymous||reply 219||09/16/2020|
Spain's greatest contribution to mankind is Charo. Man, you guys are slipping.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||09/16/2020|
[quote]Most of the nightmare that is Latin America. Not one successful colony.
And then they left it for the US to deal with, like "have fun, suckers! We're outta here!"
|by Anonymous||reply 222||09/16/2020|
r221 So you're suggesting the thread should've ended at R16?
|by Anonymous||reply 223||09/16/2020|
Latin Americans of pure European background are not as well known in the US. The overwhelming majority of Latinos in the US are Mestizo or pure indigenous and are from Mexico, Puerto Rico. the Domincan Republic, Cuba and the various Central American countries. Many Americans are totally ignorant of the fact that white Spanish Latinos even exist and furthermore many people from Latin American countries are of non-Spanish white European stock such as Italian and German. They're never really seen in the US.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||09/16/2020|
the reason why england had" successful colonies is because in the ones they were actually succesful they dessimated the whole native population. you are forgetting jamaica, india, all all those caribean islands.
besides, most of the inmigrants that go inmigrate to the united states are from central america. secondly, I would rather live in any major latin american capital like buenos aires, santiago de chile, mexico city, with european architecture than in those underdeveloped american cities full of wharehouses and houses that look like sardine boxes.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||09/16/2020|
The English men didn't interbreed with the indigenous women like the Spanish did. They preferred procreating with their own stock.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||09/16/2020|
For the most part, Spain didn’t send women to its colonies. It sent soldiers, colonial administrators, clerics, and slaves. Spanish men who left for a life in the new world had little choice but to take a native woman for a wife. England, on the other hand, did see many more of its women emigrate alongside or after the men. An English colonial could take along or later send for an English wife.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||09/16/2020|
The great golfer Seve Ballesteros.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||09/16/2020|
I think Spaniards mixed with the natives more because of their forced Christianization programme; when they converted "heathens" into Catholics those people became totally acceptable for breeding in their eyes.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||09/16/2020|
R231 no! Religion doesn't make u attracted to someone. Men have sex with sheep so why not a native?? If u are desperate.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||09/16/2020|
Maybe the native woman were more attractive than any Spanish peasant who would make the voyage.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||09/16/2020|
Here's what that antisemitic whore Isabella looked like. If other Spanish women of that period looked even remotely like her it's not surprising Spanish men went after some indigenous pussy the minute they landed in South America.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||09/16/2020|
If you've ever met a woman from the Boston upper crust (i.e., not Irish or Italian but a descendant of the Mayflower passengers), then you'd understand why the colonial government chose to commit genocide against the natives. No one would fuck those English hags if they had another choice!
|by Anonymous||reply 236||09/16/2020|
They managed to create the current Puerto Rican ethnicity through rigorous color blind fucking, and for that we are thankful.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||09/16/2020|
Not the Spanish Inquisition; nor Francisco Franco.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||09/16/2020|
The English believed that mixing with the indigenous people would be detrimental to their race, what today we would call "brain drain." They believed the natives were intellectually inferior and the consequences of mixing would be severely detrimental to their survival and intellectual and technological capabilities. Entire ships full of English women were sent to the colonies to procreate with the early English men, these women were auctioned off like slaves in the Virginia colony. Later on, England aggressively sent entire families or male-female couple to the colonies. As the above poster said, the Spanish settlers were mostly administrators etc. and there weren't as many Spanish women being sent over.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||09/16/2020|
Franco is still pretty popular in Spain. About a third of Spaniards think positively of him and his regime.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||09/16/2020|
Great ASS in that pic! Sublime really. Too bad it probably stinks to high heaven from what I've experienced with the Spanish.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||09/16/2020|
My VA Colony 7th? grandfather married a Potawan.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||09/16/2020|
Sometimes the white ladies were captured by injuns and were raped but adopted by the tribe. Sometimes they ran away willingly. Sometimes the raped whities stayed, refusing to go back, even when possible. They wrote their stories - called "captivity narratives" and several were published. Hot NATIVE COCK AND MEN
|by Anonymous||reply 245||09/16/2020|
[quote] Franco is still pretty popular in Spain. About a third of Spaniards think positively of him and his regime.
…the same proportion of Fascist Americans that support Donald Trump, then?
|by Anonymous||reply 246||09/16/2020|
R235 why single her out for being anti anything. Everybody is tribal. It's our duty to defeat rival tribes especially bad people.
|by Anonymous||reply 248||09/16/2020|
R188. The Spaniards don't like the mutilators.
|by Anonymous||reply 249||09/16/2020|
Will Catalonia ever secede?
|by Anonymous||reply 250||09/16/2020|
Will the anti-circ "mutilated" troll ever die?
|by Anonymous||reply 251||09/16/2020|
He should. What an odd thing to be obsessed about.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||09/16/2020|
nacho vidal, chris diamond and belgris
|by Anonymous||reply 254||09/16/2020|
Love their rocking Christmas song from 1550. . Riu Riu Chiu
|by Anonymous||reply 255||09/16/2020|
And just a fun fact or six: What we know as Mexican food is actually more American than Mexican. Or TexMex if you prefer. Plus Chinese food is so Americanized you have to go out of your way to find authentic Chinese food these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||09/18/2020|